Spanish GP 2014 Friday and Saturday practice thread

[Katu]

It starts again after 3 weeks of waiting

[LivingHitokiri]

Ha, you got me ahead few seconds mate.
Im looking forward to this practices as im positive on our development on the car during 3 weeks of break and hopefully our drivers deliver.

Livestream:
http://squirrelstreams.com/

Livetiming:
http://f1.narezka.org/?lang=eng#

[Katu]

my link is this one
http://www.vipboxeu.co/motorsports/217178/1/spanish-f1-gp-practice-1---fia-formula-one-world-championship-2014-live-stream-online.html
can't beat your livetiming though

[LivingHitokiri]

New rear wing for Kimi and new front wing for Fernando.

[zike]

New rear wing for Kimi and new front wing for Fernando.

I thought the new front wing did not pass the crash test

[wacc]

I thought the new front wing did not pass the crash test

Different nose must be crash tested not front wing.

[LivingHitokiri]

I thought the new front wing did not pass the crash test
Apparently it did i would see no reason why spraying an old wing at this point.
We also got new engine covers and both drivers have a lower sitting.
So it seems our team worked on many changes now lets hope they will deliver.

[Winter]

I thought the new front wing did not pass the crash test

I think it was the new nose, not wing that failed according rumors.

[Katu]

the results are probably more clear tomorrow in the afternoon than now, but it's exciting to watch what is coming

[Laferrari]

Different nose must be crash tested not front wing.

pics?

[wacc]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2s7x3c6.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/295tt0i.jpg

[fronaldo]

Hope this will help you guys..
http://f1.narezka.org/?lang=eng#

[Winter]

Does both drivers have blown wheel nuts?

[Hornet]

Good day everyone:wave

[wacc]

Hope this will help you guys..
http://f1.narezka.org/?lang=eng#

Thanks, but it has been already posted second from top.

[Katu]

was it Vettel?

[fronaldo]

Thanks, but it has been already posted second from top.
Opps..my bad..sorry

[LivingHitokiri]

Vettel out.
Our guys seems to be missing a lot in sector 3, first two sectors we are close but it seems we have big problems in high speed as expected ?

[piglett]

Could we get some top speed info(between teams), please?

[fronaldo]

Lost about 0.3-0.4s in last sector..

[Laferrari]

Vettel out.
Our guys seems to be missing a lot in sector 3, first two sectors we are close but it seems we have big problems in high speed as expected ?


3 sector is traction.

[Kristof_F40]

Vettel out.
Our guys seems to be missing a lot in sector 3, first two sectors we are close but it seems we have big problems in high speed as expected ?

There is no "high speed" in Barcelona, we loose in S3 for the same reason as the last couple of years: the chicane just kills us. You should watch the chicane on board Ferrari vs Merc,

[LivingHitokiri]

3 sector is traction.
Spot on, i stand corrected ,my bad.

I guess we should wait for more and get a clearer image as the session goes on but it feels weird for us lose so much time in traction based sector ?

[Muhammad Ansib]

There is no "high speed" in Barcelona, we loose in S3 for the same reason as the last couple of years: the chicane just kills us. You should watch the chicane on board Ferrari vs Merc,


Does the First sector satisfies the definition of high speed corners?

[Sanomas]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2s7x3c6.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/295tt0i.jpg

They looking good :)

[Katu]

seems like Kimi is closer to Fernando this weekend

[shamim179]

Initial impressions are that the field is much closer relative to each other than in the previous races. Red Bull seems to have improved and are looking very strong on this track. We are at least looking ok!

[radosav]

Beautiful Fernando!!! :love

[Kristof_F40]

Does the First sector satisfies the definition of high speed corners?

Misunderstanding, I didn't mean high speed as in high speed corners, I thought LivingHitokiri was pointing at high speed as in straights. We know from previous races we are good in high speed corners so, I assumed that wasn't what he was pointing at

[fronaldo]

Macca seems improved...RB as usual...

[Ste]

@f1fanaticlive: Raikkonen: "I cannot hear you when you talk. You have to use more... more louder." #F1

[speedmaster]

From Autosport -

09:02 Here's what EDD STRAW has made of the Red Bull and Ferrari performance through Turn 3 on more recent runs:

"Unsurprisingly, the Red Bull looks superb through here. The car rolls off the left lock out of T2 and turns into T3 in one move and carries good speed. The RB10 looks like it could take just about any line the drivers want.

"Alonso is struggling a bit more as the tyres go away. He's had a big wobble through Turn 2 and the car is moving around a bit in Turn 3. Controllable, but not the quickest."

[Laferrari]

We have a lot of fuel in the car...fernando on a 12 lap without pits(still on).we test some things in the car...i am pretty sure we are faster than mclaren+redbull....close to mercedes.it s very positive!

[Hornet]

Luca DM is in town today


The car looks very unstable under acceleration :-??

[fratelliferrari]

Luca DM is in town today


The car looks very unstable under acceleration :-??

That's what I noticed too. Hopefully we will find a solution :-D

[Sanomas]

So far we going good, I have much hope for this weekend.

[paneristi]

the cars slid like crazy. The cars look fast if we can manage this issue

[sachin]

What, 3 weeks and this,our car is trolling it seems.
So so unstable.:roll

[LivingHitokiri]

Mercedes are making fun of the rest......

[Ste]

Mercedes are VERY strong here. Untouchable. Easily a second ahead of the next runners.

Not sure if the speed trap has changed now but we were 20kph slower than Force India earlier.

[Hornet]

Not a good way to start off the weekend, but hopefully we'll be closer

[sachin]

Mercedes are VERY strong here. Untouchable. Easily a second ahead of the next runners.

Not sure if the speed trap has changed now but we were 20kph slower than Force India earlier.

20?:-E
Could you post link for the speed trap

[sachin]

Not a good way to start off the weekend, but hopefully we'll be closer

Hope,hope and keep hoping...:-(

[Rishu]

More from BEN ANDERSON on what he saw at Turn 3 during those first runs: "Alonso is hustling the Ferrari through here. The Ferrari looks solid but is requiring a few small corrections in the later phase of the corner.

"Unsurprisingly the Red Bull looks smothered in grip. We reckon the ranking in terms of Turn 3 performance is Red Bull, Mercedes, then Ferrari. Lotus also looks decent.

[Ste]

20?:-E
Could you post link for the speed trap

Slightly less of a gap now...

From an hour ago:

MAS 331
HAM 329
HUL 329
PER 328
NAS 327
ROS 326
ALO 318

[Hornet]

More from BEN ANDERSON on what he saw at Turn 3 during those first runs: "Alonso is hustling the Ferrari through here. The Ferrari looks solid but is requiring a few small corrections in the later phase of the corner.

"Unsurprisingly the Red Bull looks smothered in grip. We reckon the ranking in terms of Turn 3 performance is Red Bull, Mercedes, then Ferrari. Lotus also looks decent.

Does sounds like traction problem under acceleration out of corners, which is usually related to the engine, or PU for this year.

[stefa]

Just saw results from FR1. I know it is JUST FP1, but still.....

[Hermann]

Does sounds like traction problem under acceleration out of corners, which is usually related to the engine, or PU for this year.

Thought the Ferrari has had that problem since years...

[Ste]

Speed Trap



1
19
Felipe Massa (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/18.html)
10:22:50
331.8


2
36
Giedo van der Garde (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/830.html)
10:25:30
331.3


3
27
Nico Hulkenberg (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/840.html)
10:25:41
331.3


4
20
Kevin Magnussen (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/899.html)
10:20:46
330.1


5
44
Lewis Hamilton (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/828.html)
10:24:01
329.0


6
11
Sergio Perez (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/867.html)
10:19:19
328.8


7
40
Felipe Nasr (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/912.html)
10:23:37
328.0


8
10
Kamui Kobayashi (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/837.html)
10:24:31
327.8


9
6
Nico Rosberg (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/809.html)
10:22:45
327.6


10
99
Adrian Sutil (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/818.html)
11:27:50
324.7


11
22
Jenson Button (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/6.html)
10:50:45
324.2


12
25
Jean-Eric Vergne (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/870.html)
11:24:31
324.0


13
17
Jules Bianchi (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/850.html)
11:26:01
323.7


14
9
Marcus Ericsson (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/862.html)
11:22:18
323.2


15
4
Max Chilton (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/887.html)
10:24:26
323.0


16
7
Kimi Räikkönen (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/12.html)
10:25:17
322.8


17
14
Fernando Alonso (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/30.html)
10:53:54
322.4


18
26
Daniil Kvyat (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/906.html)
10:55:57
322.1


19
3
Daniel Ricciardo (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/857.html)
10:22:24
316.3


20
8
Romain Grosjean (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/838.html)
11:29:47
315.9


21
1
Sebastian Vettel (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/822.html)
10:22:47
315.3


22
13
Pastor Maldonado (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/869.html)
11:20:07
312.8

[Ed Harley]

FP1 appears to be an encouraging start. Hope they do well the whole weekend.

[Ste]

Vettel out of FP2. Problems with the wiring loom.

[PadGeT]

Wasn't that the problem with the old chassis ?:Hmm

[Hornet]

Thought the Ferrari has had that problem since years...

It looked more stable in China though, hence I thought we may have managed to improve the PU.

Somehow in FP1 the car looks like it's back to Bahrain characteristic

[Rosso Corsa]

I think we're looking good. Great to see Fernando moving the car around so confidently. He seemed to be throwing and controlling the car as opposed to losing it and catching it. That's a good sign. Will be interesting to see what update configs both cars run this afternoon.

[medeni73]

It seems to me that good news is that we got rid of Force India, Williams and McLaren but bad news is that on this track RB seems 2nd best team...

[blaney1977]

What causes the poor traction and why have we had poor traction for at least the last 2 years?

[Ste]

What causes the poor traction and why have we had poor traction for at least the last 2 years?

Lack of downforce.

[fronaldo]

Looks like we still 3rd fastest car

[Rishu]

Ferrari handful as per Brundle

[Nero Horse]

What causes the poor traction and why have we had poor traction for at least the last 2 years?

Bad engine power delivery to the rear wheels can be one factor.

[Laferrari]

is all upgrade on the car?

ok....season over :-D mercedes will fly this season.

[Hornet]

1.6 sec off Merc :-??

[medeni73]

if we get some bad graining in long runs too we can write this GP off...

[Ste]

1.6 sec off Merc :-??

Alonso going for a lap now.

[fronaldo]

1.6s behind Mercedes and 0.7s behind RB

[Ste]

The car looks terrible frankly. Mercedes and Red Bull are easy to drive. Even Alonso can't get the Ferrari around today.

[WS6TransAm01]

this is painful to watch...

[Nero Horse]

I have no words...the car looks even worse handling than 3 weeks ago. Unbelievable! :roll

[fronaldo]

Is this upgrades or downgrades? Horrible

[piglett]

Did anyone notice:
1. Our car's suspension is so much stiffer than all the others? The thing hardly rolls into hi speed corners.
2. The Merc engine is revving upwards of 13k?
3. FIA is not showing the speed on the onboard shots on the straights?

[Nero Horse]

What is going on inside the team? I mean seriously? What are all the guys we hired last year doing? Where is the improvement that James Allison was supposed to bring? It's like we're always either standing still in terms of development or get worse...I just can't understand it anymore. We take one step forward and then two steps backward again. I hate complaining and I never want to say anything bad about our team, but the incapability to make any sort of progress is getting really frustrating. *sigh*

[bonzo]

I have no words...the car looks even worse handling than 3 weeks ago. Unbelievable! :roll

So where do we go from here? More updates or write off 2014 and all efforts on 2015 development?

[Laferrari]

Not good for us :-S.we are the only team who downgrade our car every gp :Hmm.
I was hoping for more but let s be realistic mercedes is too dominant for us ....so is Redbull.
Last race Ferrari was 0.5 off and same pace of RB and now we are way off.Difficult wk

[Kyss4k]

So where do we go from here? More updates or write off 2014 and all efforts on 2015 development?

It's in inevitable I fear. Only B-spec car could possibily save us, but as our engine is techologically behind, we are ****.

[FerrariF60]

So where do we go from here? More updates or write off 2014 and all efforts on 2015 development?

Seems like Felipe’s words in a recent interview seem just about right. Ferrari can’t bring updates to races that actually work, if THEIR life depended on it…LOL

I hate to be the pessimistic one, but I this this year is a lost cause/hope for us; mind as well concentrate on testing stuff for 2015; Mercedes is MILES, MILES ahead of everyone this year and sadly, they are gonna win BOTH championships.

Since this year there is a FREEZE on power units, we are hopeless in making a better power unit, we have no choice but play with what we have.

Now for next year, we can actually make improvement like having a bigger turbo (like Merc’s have), as well as modifications to the engine to make it better and more powerfull.

Until then we have to suck it up and admit we’re the SORE LOSERS AT THIS GAME…at least for this year.

[Reikai]

Stop cyring please,look at live timimg,we have the same race pace as Riccardo.Sometimes he is faster,sometimes we are.McLaren is behind us,rest also.So that mean we will fight for the podium.Mercedes is in the other leauge now,so let's focus on Redbull.

[medeni73]

we're not on same race pace as RB cos Riccardos tyres are 5-6 laps older than ours...

[bonzo]

So less downforce, less top speed, less power from PU... Is there anything that we outdeveloped the competition? Smaller intakes but to no effect!

[Kyss4k]

Way off the pace even in the race trim.

[FerrariF60]

Stop cyring please,look at live timimg,we have the same race pace as Riccardo.Sometimes he is faster,sometimes we are.McLaren is behind us,rest also.So that mean we will fight for the podium.Mercedes is in the other leauge now,so let's focus on Redbull.

To me the car seems like it’s a HANDFULL to drive, even in the hands of Fernando Alonso compared to Mercedes or Red fools.

I can’t say I’m gonna be too extatic if we will fight for 3rd place again this weekend, although the way the car seems so far if we get a 3rd place again it will probably feel like a WIN.

But we are Ferrari, nothing less than a WIN is good for US…and I’m sure the team feels the same; but until then, I guess we’re gonna have to settle for what we can get.

Like I said, sadly I don’t thing Ferrari has an answer for Mercedes this year…but hey, I’d be more then glad to be PROVEN wrong by Ferrari.

[FerrariF60]

So less downforce, less top speed, less power from PU... Is there anything that we outdeveloped the competition? Smaller intakes but to no effect!

I think Ferrari spent these THREE weeks getting better air hose equipment in the pit lane

We may not be FAST, but our cars will surely look good when they come in the pit stops….LOL

[tifosi1993]

Alonso's long run pace looks good.

[bonzo]

To me the car seems like it’s a HANDFULL to drive, even in the hands of Fernando Alonso compared to Mercedes or Red fools.

I can’t say I’m gonna be too extatic if we will fight for 3rd place again this weekend, although the way the car seems so far if we get a 3rd place again it will probably feel like a WIN.

But we are Ferrari, nothing less than a WIN is good for US…and I’m sure the team feels the same; but until then, I guess we’re gonna have to settle for what we can get.

Like I said, sadly I don’t thing Ferrari has an answer for Mercedes this year…but hey, I’d be more then glad to be PROVEN wrong by Ferrari.
Third place? Do you expect both Mercs DNF?:lol

[bonzo]

Ha, ha, torro roso tyre:lol

[FerrariF60]

Third place? Do you expect both Mercs DNF?:lol

no, i expect both BULLS to DNF....LOL

we all know the Merc's are bulletproof...he, he...

[Nero Horse]

Stop cyring please,look at live timimg,we have the same race pace as Riccardo.Sometimes he is faster,sometimes we are.McLaren is behind us,rest also.So that mean we will fight for the podium.Mercedes is in the other leauge now,so let's focus on Redbull.

The live timing doesn't matter much when the car is so unstable and difficult to drive as it obviously is. The onboard footage of how much Alonso and Kimi have to fight the car to keep it on track says it all really. We might be on 4th and 5th position at the moment, which basically seems quite good, but unfortunately the car is really unstable and lacking downforce it's just obvious. When the driver has to correct the racing line 5 times in the middle of a corner...that's bad!

[Rosso Corsa]

Not too bad. We can fight for a podium I reckon.

[sachin]

Guys,anyone still believe we gonna get any championship this year?
Even Maccas improved at this race it seems,RBR did and they are not at their 100% engine power (i suppose)

What a fool we have made of ourselves ,getting these rule in and now this is the result.:oops

[ManFromMilan]

This is only second free practice. Let the data be annalised at the factory and let's see how we will do tomorrow morning.

It is way too early to start crying now already:-!

[LivingHitokiri]

Not too bad. We can fight for a podium I reckon.

I agree, from the times especially on mediums both Ferrari were more or on part with red bull and rosbergs Merc.
Merc seem to struggle on hard while we are slower but marginal;y doing better in comparison with mediums which means in the long term the hards can benefit us.

Im positive about the race, we can surely fight for podium this week.

[Nero Horse]

Not too bad. We can fight for a podium I reckon.

Let's hope so. Podium place (3rd) is unfortunately the highest we can aim for, but under the current circumstances I'd be happy with it, but even getting 3rd isn't guaranteed because RB is breathing down our necks.

[Alonso14]

I think a podium will be very tough. With our top speed we cannot overtake on track, only with a undercut. If we do indeed find ourselves in 3rd let's just hope it's Renault car behind us because I don't believe we can handle a Merc engine on the straights right now.

[sachin]

This is only second free practice. Let the data be annalised at the factory and let's see how we will do tomorrow morning.

It is way too early to start crying now already:-!

All right lets wait,wait for miracles to happen and expect Mercs nd Cows to suddenly go slow
:lou

[Nero Horse]

Anyway, hoping for the best and Forza Ferrari! Perhaps it will be better tomorrow when all the data that was collected today has been processed and car set ups fine-tuned. Whatever happens I'll be supporting my beloved team all the way, always.

[mirafiori]

Anyway, hoping for the best and Forza Ferrari! Perhaps it will be better tomorrow when all the data that was collected today has been processed and car set ups fine-tuned. Whatever happens I'll be supporting my beloved team all the way, always.

+1 all the way,, :thumb

[Rosso Corsa]

but even getting 3rd isn't guaranteed because RB is breathing down our necks.

That's good though. Fighting and racing for 3rd is infinitely more entertaining than taking a comfortable 5th.

[FerrariF60]

That's good though. Fighting and racing for 3rd is infinitely more entertaining than taking a comfortable 5th.

It’s funny how US fans all of a sudden feel OK and somewhat comfortable fighting for 3RD, but it is what it is I guess until we have a car that can fight for WINS

If we can fight with Red Fools and keep them behind, I’ll be more than happy, I TRYLY hate that team with a passion and more importantly Pettel and his little pointy finger every time he won last year…

So all in all if we can be the SECOND best team this year, better then red fools and Mclaren…I think is a lot to achieve this year…beating those damn red FOOLS this year is gonna put a BIG smile on my face.

[Hornet]

I would be happy finishing 3rd too, but I think we'll have to fix the twitching if we want to fight for 3rd, as it's going to damage our tires during the race if our car keeps twitching every lap

[AfterLife]

To be honest I think we will compete with McLaren. RedBull Is clearly ahead of us this time.

[Kiwi Nick]

The twitching under acceleration seems to be due to sudden or uneven application of more torque than the rear suspension can handle. But what is the cause. Is it engine mapping? Lack of downforce? Bad suspension design? Or, the size of the turbo?

It seems to me that if it was merely engine mapping that the problem would have been resolved by now. Likewise with down force, new front and rear wings, new floor and sidepods should have solved the problem. A new nose may be requires to solve the problem, but that requires passing a crash test. If the root of the problem is the suspension (either front or rear) it is a bigger problem that may require chassis modifications. If the problem is that the turbo is so small that it cannot be precisely modulated, this may be a problem that cannot be solved until 2015, when the turbo design can be changed.

The difficulty for Ferrari is that there are so many areas that need improvement, it is difficult to make changed piece meal because all of the mods need to work together.

As for Allison and the other new talent. They are still working with a car that may be so flawed that it cannot be made better than 3rd or 4th best even with all of the modifications they make. Hopefully, this will lead to a better car in 2015.

[stefa]

Guys,anyone still believe we gonna get any championship this year?
Even Maccas improved at this race it seems,RBR did and they are not at their 100% engine power (i suppose)

What a fool we have made of ourselves ,getting these rule in and now this is the result.:oops

Honestly, unfortunately NO!

[stefa]

That's good though. Fighting and racing for 3rd is infinitely more entertaining than taking a comfortable 5th.

I don't know do I laugh or cry....

[stefa]

This is only second free practice. Let the data be annalised at the factory and let's see how we will do tomorrow morning.

It is way too early to start crying now already:-!

First, there is no such thing as sandbagging, as there is so little free tests to evaluate new parts.
Second, fast car is ALWAYS fast right from Friday FP1 till Sunday checkered flag.
Third, there is no miracle that will make +1.597 and +1.772 sec gap disappear!

[Alessandra]

Forecasts for the podium.......
James Allen: Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo
Alan McNish: Hamilton, Rosberg, Alonso

I know which one I prefer:-D

[Sanomas]

A 'not bad result from Friday practices, hope they do better on tomorrow...and I hope to see a good result from Ferrari at Qualifying.

[Kyss4k]

We are slowly accepting not being the top dog. It is finally happening. Even though a lot of people here won't probably openly admit it.

We are no longer the aggressive, inovative and ruthless team we used to be. And even though I wasn't fan of Dominicali, Mattiacci won't change that. There is something wrong with the way our team thinks and this will be hard to change.

We can't be happy with third at best...

[Muhammad Ansib]

There is nothing wrong with our team, its just that we arent used to having good development paths that have only been tested virtually, for God's FIA we have Fiorano which was always used to test what was working or not and those upgrades that were working were only brought to the car, Now we have updates that work in the tunnel and CFD but in reality they are negative (for most of 2013) so In my opinion Ferrari still is a great team with alot of brilliant minds(just look at our road car division) but FIA has moved the goal posts to somewhere else by testing ban!

[Kyss4k]

There is nothing wrong with our team, its just that we arent used to having good development paths that have only been tested virtually, for God's FIA we have Fiorano which was always used to test what was working or not and those upgrades that were working were only brought to the car, Now we have updates that work in the tunnel and CFD but in reality they are negative (for most of 2013) so In my opinion Ferrari still is a great team with alot of brilliant minds(just look at our road car division) but FIA has moved the goal posts to somewhere else by testing ban!

This excuse was old few years ago already... Testing ban is in place for a loooong time for us to adapt to it. This is thak kind of wrong I am talking about. We always seem to think everything is against us and that's why we are not winning. Just swallow it and work.

[Tifoso]

First, there is no such thing as sandbagging, as there is so little free tests to evaluate new parts.
Second, fast car is ALWAYS fast right from Friday FP1 till Sunday checkered flag.
Third, there is no miracle that will make +1.597 and +1.772 sec gap disappear!


Exactly. I am as optimistic as anyone on this board, but I am preparing to right off 2014, sadly. :-s

I truly hope that I am mistaken.

[Senna4Ever]

Exactly. I am as optimistic as anyone on this board, but I am preparing to right off 2014, sadly. :-s

I truly hope that I am mistaken.

after second race I said I will wait until the output of Barcelona and place a bet then ...

for myself I hope that we might see a interesting race after both Merc (up & away). All that we can count on is spark that we might have a race within the race ...

[stefa]

Exactly. I am as optimistic as anyone on this board, but I am preparing to right off 2014, sadly. :-s

I truly hope that I am mistaken.

No my only goal for this season is that, at least one win in the season the keep record going on for number of consecutive years with at least one victory in the season. Since 1994, German GP, when GB took win with 412 T1, every year including 2013 Ferrari had victories. For the time being Ferrari chances of that one in this season are really slim....

[Kiwi Nick]

There is nothing wrong with our team, its just that we arent used to having good development paths that have only been tested virtually, for God's FIA we have Fiorano which was always used to test what was working or not and those upgrades that were working were only brought to the car, Now we have updates that work in the tunnel and CFD but in reality they are negative (for most of 2013) so In my opinion Ferrari still is a great team with alot of brilliant minds(just look at our road car division) but FIA has moved the goal posts to somewhere else by testing ban!

This is pretty brilliant stuff. Let me summarize what you said:

Ferrari is the greatest team ever known to Formula 1, however, it cannot function successfully in the current environment. But, it is still a great team!

That pretty much covers everything. Thanks for your input!

[Tifoso]

No my only goal for this season is that, at least one win in the season the keep record going on for number of consecutive years with at least one victory in the season. Since 1994, German GP, when GB took win with 412 T1, every year including 2013 Ferrari had victories. For the time being Ferrari chances of that one in this season are really slim....

I hadn't realized that fact (hadn't thought about it really). Thanks for bring it to our attention (even it really makes me sad). :wine

[Muhammad Ansib]

This is pretty brilliant stuff. Let me summarize what you said:

Ferrari is the greatest team ever known to Formula 1, however, it cannot function successfully in the current environment. But, it is still a great team!

That pretty much covers everything. Thanks for your input!
I am sensing Sarcasm, everyone has an opinion. OK if not this then please you tell me why Ferrari are still struggling

[Sanomas]

Exactly. I am as optimistic as anyone on this board, but I am preparing to right off 2014, sadly. :-s

I truly hope that I am mistaken.

No Tifoso! You're not mistaken, I have the same feeling too...but it's early to 'righting off, wait a bit and see what they can do. Show is NOT over!

To be honest, I don't have much hope for any title on this year, but I know we have a fantastic team that is doing great on their own, and I'm sure team is going back to win again.

[sachin]

The onboard shows the real grunt of the Mercs engine.

Also,2 spicy battles for Sunday,
Alonso vs F14T
And
Kimi vs F14T

[sachin]

Straight away 1 sec up the mercs are:-??

[Paulpg87]

this year is embarassing to watch, there is really nothing to look for with 2 cars going 1,5 sec faster than anyone. So boring.

[sachin]

I hate this F1, it was better the real deal was Ferrari's and Mclaren

[Forzi]

Most seem to be struggling to improve on the mediums.

[LivingHitokiri]

Both Fernando and Kimi are struggling at turn 10-11 and whole sector 3....
The car seems really unstable for some reason...

[sachin]

Most seem to be struggling to improve on the mediums.

Except some grey cars:furious

[shamim179]

It appears the gap between us and Mercedes has grown rather than decreased. Any hopes of winning any championships are nothing else but pie in the sky fantasies. We need a record number of DNF's from Mercedes and Red Bull to stand any realistic chance.

[Hermann]

Both Fernando and Kimi are struggling at turn 10-11 and whole sector 3....
The car seems really unstable for some reason...

We've had an 'unstable' car for years now. Fernando must be used to it by now, but seriously, there has to be a way to change that. RB can do it, Mercedes can do it, why can't we?

[Kyss4k]

It appears the gap between us and Mercedes has grown rather than decreased. Any hopes of winning any championships are nothing else but pie in the sky fantasies. We need a record number of DNF's from Mercedes and Red Bull to stand any realistic chance.

Yep. It's even more far fetched then in the years of Red Bull. I sincerly hope we are building a brand new engine, worth of the Ferrari badge, for next season.

[LivingHitokiri]

We've had an 'unstable' car for years now. Fernando must be used to it by now, but seriously, there has to be a way to change that. RB can do it, Mercedes can do it, why can't we?

Maybe one of the reason is the dropping of temperature on the track ?
We looked much better in FP 2 while we did faster tires but now its like our car is on different setup for both drivers...

[Hornet]

Nice to see Alonso increasing to P3

Almost gave me a heart attack seeing us that far behind moments ago

[LivingHitokiri]

And Ricciardo ruined Kimis hotlap... great.

[Majki2111]

I hate this F1, it was better the real deal was Ferrari's and Mclaren

Then dont watch it. For me it is better than then.

[Forzi]

Seems like a good ol' Fernando vs Felipe for best of the rest:-)

[Hermann]

Maybe one of the reason is the dropping of temperature on the track ?
We looked much better in FP 2 while we did faster tires but now its like our car is on different setup for both drivers...

Thats the second consecutive problem: the small temperature performance window. We can't seem to get that right either. But i'll stop it now, thumbs pressed for a podium at least :pray

[sachin]

This is worst than RBR era,where we used to be about 5 to 7 tenths, now its more than 1.2 seconds.:-s

[shamim179]

This is worst than RBR era,where we used to be about 5 to 7 tenths, now its more than 1.2 seconds.:-s

Even more than that. Rosberg had a poor first sector so could have gone much faster than his best time.

[Kyss4k]

Even more than that. Rosberg had a poor first sector so could have gone much faster than his best time.

And Lewis didn't make a lap on options at all...

[LivingHitokiri]

And Lewis didn't make a lap on options at all...

His first two sector were similar to Rosberg tho so i assume they would be similar maybe 1-2 tenths faster.

[Kyss4k]

His first two sector were similar to Rosberg tho so i assume they would be similar maybe 1-2 tenths faster.

It wasn't really great lap from the start. And I rate him higher then Nico, so I believe he would/will be faster then Nico. Our gap would be over 1.5s for sure.

[Hornet]

Merc is a forgone conclusion, doesn't matter how far ahead they are, they will be ahead.

What's important is for Ferrari to be ahead of the rest, try to get a podium this weekend

[Alonsomaniac]

I haven't seen FP3, but 1,2 between Fernando and Kimi :-E.......what happened, I thought they were much closer together this weekend??

[Rishu]

I haven't seen FP3, but 1,2 between Fernando and Kimi :-E.......what happened, I thought they were much closer together this weekend??

Kimi got a clean Friday & Saturday this weekend, I hope he will be up there with Fernando

[Alesi1]

I haven't seen FP3, but 1,2 between Fernando and Kimi :-E.......what happened, I thought they were much closer together this weekend??

Bet kimis wishing he had gone to RBR instead, this is damaging his reputation no end, if it continues like this.

[bonzo]

Bet kimis wishing he had gone to RBR instead, this is damaging his reputation no end, if it continues like this.
Reputation is the last thing Kimi thinks about, salary is first.

[Hermann]

Bet kimis wishing he had gone to RBR instead, this is damaging his reputation no end, if it continues like this.

It hasn't ruined Fernando's reputation , quite the contrary i'd say.

[Apocaly]

When Kimi is close to Alonso in EL1 and EL2, no good review, but when he is away EL3, direct criticism!

Great way to support one of our pilot in trouble...

[PadGeT]

Leave it, man. Its better that way.

[Kingdom Hearts]

When Kimi is close to Alonso in EL1 and EL2, no good review, but when he is away EL3, direct criticism!

Great way to support one of our pilot in trouble...

If that shows anything, is that FP is FP a nothing more.

[Ed Harley]

Reputation is the last thing Kimi thinks about, salary is first.
Really?

[REDARMYSOJA]

Reputation is the last thing Kimi thinks about, salary is first.

Especially when he isn't getting it.