Yet another rumour-Fernando Alonso to leave Ferrari

[hrc5555]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alonso-to-mercedes-newey-to-ferrari-rumours/

[Rob]

:-ZZ

[PadGeT]

Lol, Newey wid Allison. That would be something to watch!!!! :-D
Well, we can always have Newey taking care of our GT and supposed new Le Mans programme.


Dont bite back at me on dis one!
By da way, DIEK can u photoshop Newey in red overalls?

[Hornet]

You should add "Rumor" to the title, as this is exactly that, just a rumor

[Nero Horse]

Rumors, rumors and more rumors LOL...

There are also rumors that my dog will replace Hamilton's dog in the paddock and Bernie will become a plumber in China. :rotfl

[hrc5555]

You should add "Rumor" to the title, as this is exactly that, just a rumor

Yes, sorry.
Just a rumor.

[wacc]

Brawn on the way to Maranello - 40%
Fernando wants to Mercedes - 95%
Newey receiving an offer - 90%
Newey on the way to Maranello - 5%

:lou

[PadGeT]

@wacc :clap

I think you can safely reduce the 1st one.

[Nero Horse]

Brawn on the way to Maranello - 40%
Fernando wants to Mercedes - 95%
Newey receiving an offer - 90%
Newey on the way to Maranello - 5%

:lou

:-ZZ

[Rob]

Toto on SkyF1, that there is no reason they want to even start looking to replace either Lewis or Nico.

[bonzo]

Where there is smoke there is usually a fire

[Rob]

Where there is smoke there is usually a fire

teams will make up stories to rock the boat at other teams. Why would Merc buy out Nicos or even Lewis's contracts? Merc will not let Nico go, for the German factor, and Lewis, they know they have great marketing platform there and fast driver.

[hrc5555]

Rumors, rumors and more rumors LOL...

There are also rumors that my dog will replace Hamilton's dog in the paddock and Bernie will become a plumber in China. :rotfl

Hey Nero, do you remember what you were saying last year about RUMORS that Kimi Raikkonen is coming to Ferrari??
There is no need to make fun of posts that you dont like...

[hrc5555]

teams will make up stories to rock the boat at other teams. Why would Merc buy out Nicos or even Lewis's contracts? Merc will not let Nico go, for the German factor, and Lewis, they know they have great marketing platform there and fast driver.

[Rob]

Luca last year said that Kimi will not join Ferrari, and yet he is here. It is just teams policy to have secrets until the and...

Luca will not let Fernando go.

[hrc5555]

Toto on SkyF1, that there is no reason they want to even start looking to replace either Lewis or Nico.

Luca last year said that Kimi will not join Ferrari, and yet he is here. It is just teams policy to have secrets until the and...

[hrc5555]

Luca will not let Fernando go.

No one can stop Fernando to leave!

[Greig]

Hey Nero, do you remember what you were saying last year about RUMORS that Kimi Raikkonen is coming to Ferrari??
There is no need to make fun of posts that you dont like...

And the same ones saying Alonso was going to Red Bull, then McLaren, now the last place they can put him is.....

[Greig]

No one can stop Fernando to leave!

If he has a contract then yes they can.

[Kiwi Nick]

What can Ferrari afford to pay Newey...10mm Euro, 20mm Euro, 30mm Euro?

[stefa]

Toto on SkyF1, that there is no reason they want to even start looking to replace either Lewis or Nico.

I clearly remember, back in 1995, when Mr Motezemollo was asked, are they looking to sign Schumacher, he said that they are so satisfied with Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger that there is no need to look for other drivers.
I think we all know who was driving F310 next year :thumb

[Rob]

I clearly remember, back in 1995, when Mr Motezemollo was asked, are they looking to sign Schumacher, he said that they are so satisfied with Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger that there is no need to look for other drivers.
I think we all know who was driving F310 next year :thumb

Lewis or Nico will not be replaced by Merc.

[Rob]

What can Ferrari afford to pay Newey...10mm Euro, 20mm Euro, 30mm Euro?

make him an offer he cannt refuse ;-)

[PadGeT]

are u crazy, if Alonso gets 40, Newey deserves at least 40.
But den again I am a fan f Newey, i wud let him name his price! And if money doesn't motivate him, build the technical team around him, so dat he has freedom and be accountable for.

[hrc5555]

If he has a contract then yes they can.

No he cant. He can only sue him...

[hrc5555]

Lewis or Nico will not be replaced by Merc.

Thats not true, Rosberg wants to leave Mercedes, he is not happy with Lewis.

[Greig]

No he cant. He can only sue him...

No, if Alonso is contracted to drive with Ferrari then he can't just sign for Mercedes sorry.

[Greig]

Thats not true, Rosberg wants to leave Mercedes, he is not happy with Lewis.

Another rumour or any source?

[Greig]

are u crazy, if Alonso gets 40, Newey deserves at least 40.
But den again I am a fan f Newey, i wud let him name his price! And if money doesn't motivate him, build the technical team around him, so dat he has freedom and be accountable for.

Can you not use txt speak?

Newey has no desire to move to Italy.

[Rob]

Thats not true, Rosberg wants to leave Mercedes, he is not happy with Lewis.

:roll

[PadGeT]

Can you not use txt speak?

Newey has no desire to move to Italy.
Roger dat. Oops, sorry.

[hrc5555]

No, if Alonso is contracted to drive with Ferrari then he can't just sign for Mercedes sorry.

Yust watch it! :-D

[Ferrari Man]

is there not clauses on contracts that both parties have to agree on ? Which can then lead to either party leaving a contract without any sueing or difficulty

[Greig]

is there not clauses on contracts that both parties have to agree on ? Which can then lead to either party leaving a contract without any sueing or difficulty

I imagine so, but if Ferrari do not agree to break the contract then Alonso will not be able to just go sign with Mercedes.

[tifosi1993]

Thats not true, Rosberg wants to leave Mercedes, he is not happy with Lewis.

LOL

Rosberg signed a contact extension till 2016.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/geruechteboerse-kocht-newey-zu-ferrari-alonso-raus-8361621.html

[Nero Horse]

Hey Nero, do you remember what you were saying last year about RUMORS that Kimi Raikkonen is coming to Ferrari??
There is no need to make fun of posts that you dont like...

Don't remember saying much about that, I had no issues with Kimi returning to Ferrari, you must be confusing me with someone else lol. And besides, I don't understand why are you getting so upset about me making fun of these silly rumors? Are they your made up rumors and you're now crying because no one wants to believe them? If they're not your personal rumors then I don't see any reason why you should get so upset about me poking a few jokes on the expense of these rumors. And surely you don't wish for Fernando to go to Merc??? So let us laugh at these rumors in peace and just calm down. :-D

[racingbradley]

It's not even the silly season yet here we are moving people around.:roll
No smoke without fire though ;-);-);-)

[hrc5555]

Don't remember saying much about that, I had no issues with Kimi returning to Ferrari, you must be confusing me with someone else lol. And besides, I don't understand why are you getting so upset about me making fun of these silly rumors? Are they your made up rumors and you're now crying because no one wants to believe them? If they're not your personal rumors then I don't see any reason why you should get so upset about me poking a few jokes on the expense of these rumors. And surely you don't wish for Fernando to go to Merc??? So let us laugh at these rumors in peace and just calm down. :-D

How can I calm down when Ferrari is doing everything to make Alonso leave us!? I frankly believe he wants to leave...
This Ferrari pace is too bad for keep Alonso on board!

[Tony]

Newey was approached by Ferrari in the past and he quite simply does not want to live in Italy, so I can't see that rumour every transpiring...

Alonso to Mercedes will also not happen, when you have the fastest car on the grid by a country mile, you don't need to have the best driver on the grid... as for Alonso wanting to leave, given the car he's been given year after year, then yeah, I can see that happening... but I can't see him going to Mercedes, he'll need to be patient and go the way of short 1-2 year contracts with other teams to see who will be capable of mounting a challenge to Mercedes...

What's this rumour about a LeMans prototype?

[Nova]

So, how many "Ferrari" fans will follow Alonso when he does leave?


Hey dont blame me..If he wants to leave, so be it.

[Greig]

How can I calm down when Ferrari is doing everything to make Alonso leave us!? I frankly believe he wants to leave...
This Ferrari pace is too bad for keep Alonso on board!

Well losing Alonso won't change much will it?

[anacleto]

So, how many "Ferrari" fans will follow Alonso when he does leave?


Hey dont blame me..If he wants to leave, so be it.

I follow Felipe every race , so for sure I would follow Alonso if he left, right? Briatore will never let Alonso leave Ferrari.

[Nero Horse]

How can I calm down when Ferrari is doing everything to make Alonso leave us!? I frankly believe he wants to leave...
This Ferrari pace is too bad for keep Alonso on board!

And what if he goes?! What are you going to do about it? I'll tell you exactly what you're gonna do.....nothing, zip, nada! If he goes then he goes and there's no point in crying and moaning about it. Life goes on and Ferrari will go on, with or without Alonso. But if you want to push the panic button then by all means, go nuts. ;-)

[abbottcostello]

motorsport.com must be getting their rumors from la gazetta :-D

[Kingdom Hearts]

If he has a contract then yes they can.


Contracts means nothing, specially with dozens of clausules. The rumour from last year is that Fernando has a performance clausule that Ferrari has not fulfilled and he is free to go because of that.

[Hornet]

Luca last year said that Kimi will not join Ferrari, and yet he is here. It is just teams policy to have secrets until the and...
I don't recall Luca ever saying that. Ferrari never ruled out Kimi's return. In fact Stefano did say anything is possible. More importantly, Massa contract was coming to an end and naturally Ferrari had to make a decision.

This is not the position Mercedes is in. They have 2 drivers contracted to them.


I clearly remember, back in 1995, when Mr Motezemollo was asked, are they looking to sign Schumacher, he said that they are so satisfied with Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger that there is no need to look for other drivers.
I think we all know who was driving F310 next year :thumb

Ferrari was looking to rebuild at that time. But this again, is not a position Mercedes is in right now. They have everything in place, and it's working out perfectly. They just need to keep going forward.

[Ed Harley]

Mercedes has a working formula with current personnel, car and drivers. They are head and shoulders above the rest and keep winning everything. I do not see any reason for them to change the formula.

[stefa]

I don't recall Luca ever saying that. Ferrari never ruled out Kimi's return. In fact Stefano did say anything is possible. More importantly, Massa contract was coming to an end and naturally Ferrari had to make a decision.

This is not the position Mercedes is in. They have 2 drivers contracted to them.



Ferrari was looking to rebuild at that time. But this again, is not a position Mercedes is in right now. They have everything in place, and it's working out perfectly. They just need to keep going forward.

Than, almost on 20th anniversary from that year (1995), maybe it is a time to rebuild again...?

[Hornet]

Than, almost on 20th anniversary from that year (1995), maybe it is a time to rebuild again...?

For Ferrari? That may be up to our new team principle :Hmm

But I don't see anything changing for Mercedes, everything is going right for them.

[Rishu]

Mercedes has a working formula with current personnel, car and drivers. They are head and shoulders above the rest and keep winning everything. I do not see any reason for them to change the formula.

Indeed, they just have one issue to deal with which is how to 'manage' Rosberg-Hamilton situation. Alonso has no option apart from Ferrari, no other team is in a position to give him more than what Ferrari are giving right now (car performance), moreover he enjoys the team atmosphere, no reason for him to leave

[Katu]

why would Fernando want to leave if Newey is coming....

[stefa]

For Ferrari? That may be up to our new team principle :Hmm

But I don't see anything changing for Mercedes, everything is going right for them.

Sorry for not being precise. For Ferrari for sure!

[stefa]

Indeed, they just have one issue to deal with which is how to 'manage' Rosberg-Hamilton situation. Alonso has no option apart from Ferrari, no other team is in a position to give him more than what Ferrari are giving right now (car performance), moreover he enjoys the team atmosphere, no reason for him to leave

What car performance?!?!?

[hogo]

Why do such threads escalate into 2 or even more pages? There's nothing to talk about. Alonso loves Ferrari, Ferrari is satisfied with the job he is doing. End of story, what is here to discuss???

[Greig]

Contracts means nothing, specially with dozens of clausules. The rumour from last year is that Fernando has a performance clausule that Ferrari has not fulfilled and he is free to go because of that.

So the contract does mean something.

[Rishu]

What car performance?!?!?

No other team has shown in recent times that they can match Mercedes or RedBull. Why would he jump from a 5/10 car to another 5/10 car?

[Kingdom Hearts]

So the contract does mean something.

You understand perfectly what I'm saying, don't be an or make fun of me because my english is not perfect.

[Greig]

You understand perfectly what I'm saying, don't be an or make fun of me because my english is not perfect.

No need to swear at me and I certainly never made any fun of you, no idea why you think I was.

[stefa]

No other team has shown in recent times that they can match Mercedes or RedBull. Why would he jump from a 5/10 car to another 5/10 car?

He may jump from 5/10 to a 10/10 car! There are two on the grid! Thou that will be such a blow for Ferrari...

[Rishu]

He may jump from 5/10 to a 10/10 car! There are two on the grid! Thou that will be such a blow for Ferrari...

So do you think Merc will let go Rosberg or Hamilton? Everything seems settled there. Why would they?

[Greig]

He may jump from 5/10 to a 10/10 car! There are two on the grid! Thou that will be such a blow for Ferrari...

Alonso leaving won't change anything for us, we will just sign another big name and hope the car can win. No driver will win a title without the car so until we design a title winning car having 10 Alonso's won't make us win.

[Dino]

So do you think Merc will let go Rosberg or Hamilton? Everything seems settled there. Why would they?

Maybe to weaken Ferrari even more?

[Rishu]

Maybe to weaken Ferrari even more?

Doubt it, both their drivers are getting the job done. With this progress they will get WDC & WCC easily

[Senna4Ever]

Alonso leaving won't change anything for us, we will just sign another big name and hope the car can win. No driver will win a title without the car so until we design a title winning car having 10 Alonso's won't make us win.

But which top name would join us now ... and which cards can we offer ... the one who is coming must believe in mirakles ... ask yourself honestly: if you wouldn't be a overall die-hard hardcore Tifoso ... and Luca would offer you a seat ... would you think about it?

however: contract left, contract right, up and down ... doesn't make sense to hang on Alonso when he lost motivation and faith into the team (for which I can't blame him, he kept fighting longer than many fans).

[shamim179]

Hamilton is on a 3 year contract which it expires at the end of 2015. High chance it will get renewed especially if he wins this year's WDC. What is unclear is whether Rosberg wants to stay as there is a growing dissatisfaction between him and Hamilton but will it be enough for him to want to leave? After all they are friends from teenage years.

What is more possible is the McLaren-Honda prospect. Although there is bad blood between him and Dennis, Alonso will put this behind him and think of the bigger picture his desire to win another WDC will be stronger than the desire not to work with Dennis. Alonso will have to think like this if he wants another WDC.

Unfortunately, it just hasn't worked out in Ferrari. If Ferrari keep producing cars like this year after year a WDC with Ferrari will be just an unrealistic dream nothing more.

Red Bull is another option but that depends on what Vettel does.

But make no mistake, Alonso is clearly very dissatisfied with Ferrari and pretty soon so will Kimi.

[shamim179]

But yeah this is one crazy rumor!

[Greig]

But which top name would join us now ... and which cards can we offer ... the one who is coming must believe in mirakles ... ask yourself honestly: if you wouldn't be a overall die-hard hardcore Tifoso ... and Luca would offer you a seat ... would you think about it?

however: contract left, contract right, up and down ... doesn't make sense to hang on Alonso when he lost motivation and faith into the team (for which I can't blame him, he kept fighting longer than many fans).

We have never had a problem bringing top drivers to Ferrari. But anyway if we build the best car we will beat Alonso in his Mercedes even with a average driver like Vettel (as this forum tends to brand him.) So I will not lose any sleep over a rumour that Alonso is leaving.

[stefa]

So do you think Merc will let go Rosberg or Hamilton? Everything seems settled there. Why would they?

I am not saying that they will/need... Just thinking, they have the best possible package, LH as the better driver 9.5/10, and NR not that good 7/10. Why not get another 9.5/10 driver?! :Hmm

[stefa]

Alonso leaving won't change anything for us, we will just sign another big name and hope the car can win. No driver will win a title without the car so until we design a title winning car having 10 Alonso's won't make us win.

Spot on! But which top name will fulfill FA shoes when he left?
Ask your self, if you are another big name and you can drive for Ferrari after FA (where he spend 5 years without serious cars and no WDC and/or WCC), why do you think anything will change when you come?

[Greig]

I am not saying that they will/need... Just thinking, they have the best possible package, LH as the better driver 9.5/10, and NR not that good 7/10. Why not get another 9.5/10 driver?! :Hmm

Because another 9.5 driver costs millions more than the 7/10 driver for no real benefit. But yeah I am amazed how you have downgraded Nico a fair bit and also have the impression Mercedes are untouchable for years.

[stefa]

We have never had a problem bringing top drivers to Ferrari. But anyway if we build the best car we will beat Alonso in his Mercedes even with a average driver like Vettel (as this forum tends to brand him.) So I will not lose any sleep over a rumour that Alonso is leaving.

I can not be more agree with you! But the crucial thing here is to BUILD THE BEST CAR and give it to our two average drivers to beat top heads in other teams!
Greig, Ferrari didn't build not even a close to solid F1 car since 2008...

[Greig]

Spot on! But which top name will fulfill FA shoes when he left?
Ask your self, if you are another big name and you can drive for Ferrari after FA (where he spend 5 years without serious cars and no WDC and/or WCC), why do you think anything will change when you come?

There is no shoes to fill. If we build a title winning car then we will win with Kimi even.

[stefa]

Maybe I was little bit to hard on NR.
No I didn't point in any way that Mercedes were untouchable for years. But I am afraid that they will...

[stefa]

There is no shoes to fill. If we build a title winning car then we will win with Kimi even.

From your mouth to God years....

[Rob]

Spot on! But which top name will fulfill FA shoes when he left?
Ask your self, if you are another big name and you can drive for Ferrari after FA (where he spend 5 years without serious cars and no WDC and/or WCC), why do you think anything will change when you come?

Ferrari will attract any top name driver, we had just above average car in 2009, Fernando still wanted to join. Isnt about joining Ferrari when winning, its about having the priviledge to drive a Ferrari. Drivers come and go, if Luca offers Newey an offer he cannt refuse, hello Vettel, bye bye Fernando, we will beat you in your Merc or Mclaren. Even hulkenberg will/would win WDC if we gave him the car. Which we will.

[stefa]

Ferrari will attract any top name driver, we had just above average car in 2009, Fernando still wanted to join. Isnt about joining Ferrari when winning, its about having the priviledge to drive a Ferrari. Drivers come and go, if Luca offers Newey an offer he cannt refuse, hello Vettel, bye bye Fernando, we will beat you in your Merc or Mclaren. Even hulkenberg will/would win WDC if we gave him the car. Which we will.

Again, couldn't agree more with you. But there are to many IF's.....

[Greig]

The only IF is, if Alonso leaves Ferrari will you?

Alonso leaving will come one day regardless of winning or not, drivers come and go.

[AfterLife]

Rumors...

[Rob]

Rumors...

exactly, rumours and everyone think its real.

:lou:-ZZ:-ZZ

[AfterLife]

Ferrari will attract any top name driver,

Ferrari and Newey combination will do. I don't think Vettel or Hamilton are interested to have a seat in Ferrari because Ferrari are not winning right now but Newey will be the reason to attract top drivers.

[stefa]

The only IF is, if Alonso leaves Ferrari will you?

Alonso leaving will come one day regardless of winning or not, drivers come and go.

NO!
The only IF, is if Ferrari finally make winning capable car!
Of course FA and many after him will leave team, and that is why I am supporting TEAM not drivers. But team need to give something to driver, therefore him to be able to give it back to team and him self F1 wins and at the end WDC and CWC.

[stefa]

Ferrari and Newey combination will do. I don't think Vettel or Hamilton are interested to have a seat in Ferrari because Ferrari are not winning right now but Newey will be the reason to attract top drivers.

...and we know that Mr. Newey is coming?

[AfterLife]

...and we know that Mr. Newey is coming?

Just talking about rumors. I don't know and i don't think Newey will come to Ferrari and As i said before i would love Ferrari to succeed without Newey or Brawn.

[Kingdom Hearts]

No need to swear at me and I certainly never made any fun of you, no idea why you think I was.

didn't swear to you, I said

[stefa]

Just talking about rumors. I don't know and i don't think Newey will come to Ferrari and As i said before i would love Ferrari to succeed without Newey or Brawn.

He was approached in past from Ferrari and got offers, money is not a problem, but his lady DON'T WANT to live in Italy! Period. Case closed.

[AfterLife]

He was approached in past from Ferrari and got offers, money is not a problem, but his lady DON'T WANT to live in Italy! Period. Case closed.

I mean this rumor:
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/9305582/rumour-mill-in-full-swing-as-paddock-gossips-about-adrian-newey-fernando-alonso

[Ed Harley]

With reference to earlier reported comments about Mr Newey having been reluctant to move to Italy in the past I must note that Italy will start to look very beautiful place to live in when the offered stack of money is high enough and when at the same time the challenge at hand is interesting enough. Same thing applies to just about every person.

If the team thinks and are 100% sure that a newey is needed they should get one ASAP.

[stefa]

With reference to earlier reported comments about Mr Newey having been reluctant to move to Italy in the past I must note that Italy will start to look very beautiful place to live in when the offered stack of money is high enough and when at the same time the challenge at hand is interesting enough. Same thing applies to just about every person.

If the team thinks and are 100% sure that a newey is needed they should get one ASAP.

Indeed....

[F2008]

is there not clauses on contracts that both parties have to agree on ? Which can then lead to either party leaving a contract without any sueing or difficulty

Every employee can buy off his contract if he wants to leave. If not then the contract isn't legal and the company can be sued for human trafficking.

[bobi_ve]

So many times was clearly stated that Newey never wont come in Maranello because of his family and kilometers away from England.

It would be more real but first if we make transfer of our F1-division from Maranello directly to Brackley.:S

So forget this bulls*it and be more realistic.

From FA's perspective his best chance is 2015 going to Mclaren and waiting until 2016 as a first serious season of getting WDC and WCC.

[RedRebel40]

2014 and 2015 will be Mercedes years, the big speed difference won't be closed in such a short time.
I think this is the 3rd of 4th contract offer to Newey and he won't come to Ferrari.
As for Alonso, his only chance is McLaren for 2015 where he can hope to gain a world titel in 2016.

[Nero Horse]

We have never had a problem bringing top drivers to Ferrari. But anyway if we build the best car we will beat Alonso in his Mercedes even with a average driver like Vettel (as this forum tends to brand him.) So I will not lose any sleep over a rumour that Alonso is leaving.

THIS^^

Well said. :thumb

[Hornet]

Ted on Sky just said Adrain Newey has been made a "write what you want" offer by Ferrari:Hmm

ps: Just rumors of course. And it's Ted

[Ed Harley]

That would be one way of making sure that the stack of money would be high enough.

[fadyferrari]

That would be one way of making sure that the stack of money would be high enough.

well atleast we wont be wasting money on bringing upgrades which dont work:-D

[Nero Horse]

Ted on Sky just said Adrain Newey has been made a "write what you want" offer by Ferrari:Hmm

Well if this is true then he might even come, everybody has a price. But if...IF Newey would come then Fry goes?

[AfterLife]

2014 and 2015 will be Mercedes years, the big speed difference won't be closed in such a short time.

RedBull with their momentum will catch Mercedes at the end of the 2014 season.

[wacc]

Prior to Newey dressed in red, I would like to see what is James Allison capable of.

[diesel08]

yeah, Fernando will go to Red Bull, and than Mclaren, and than Mercedes and than Ferrari. You spend the time to talk about all those stupid rumours! Good job!

[Nero Horse]

yeah, Fernando will go to Red Bull, and than Mclaren, and than Mercedes and than Ferrari. You spend the time to talk about all those stupid rumours! Good job!

Apparently Fernando wants to go through all the teams in F1 before he retires LOL. :lol

[Rob]

Its all romours.

Since Fernando has joined us, who has he been trying to get Luca to get into the team? Newey. Now there is another rumour Newey been approached and been told you name your price to come join the Scuderia.

Now, if Newey signs/has signed or is going to, Luca wil know, and, wait a minute, Fernando will know aswell. With that, i cannt see Fernando wanting to leave Ferrari.

But still, all rumours.

:lou

[shamim179]

Its all romours.

Since Fernando has joined us, who has he been trying to get Luca to get into the team? Newey. Now there is another rumour Newey been approached and been told you name your price to come join the Scuderia.

Now, if Newey signs/has signed or is going to, Luca wil know, and, wait a minute, Fernando will know aswell. With that, i cannt see Fernando wanting to leave Ferrari.

But still, all rumours.

:lou

I don't think this is about appeasing Alonso. I'm thinking this is about paving the way for Vettel to join us as he prefers to tag along with Newey wherever he goes. Ferrari are getting ready for Vettel. Red Bull may just have a few years left in the sport so Newey and company need to think about the future. The prospect of turning Ferrari around back into a winning team must be tantalizing to Newey. Unfortunately, it is doubtful that Alonso and Kimi will benefit from this on time given their ages.

[Nero Horse]

Its all romours.

Since Fernando has joined us, who has he been trying to get Luca to get into the team? Newey. Now there is another rumour Newey been approached and been told you name your price to come join the Scuderia.

Now, if Newey signs/has signed or is going to, Luca wil know, and, wait a minute, Fernando will know aswell. With that, i cannt see Fernando wanting to leave Ferrari.

But still, all rumours.

:lou

Getting Newey into our team would certainly be very nice.

[FFFerrari]

Lets say, Newey signs with us. It will either mean that he departs from RBR almost instantly or we won't enjoy his work during 2015 season because of gardening leave. So realistically the first car that would be designed by him would be the 2016 one. I think Fernando will retire after 2016 (and Kimi will likely retire after 2015) so even if we do get Adrian to join, Fernando won't enjoying much of the fruits of his labor.

[Hornet]

Lets say, Newey signs with us. It will either mean that he departs from RBR almost instantly or we won't enjoy his work during 2015 season because of gardening leave. So realistically the first car that would be designed by him would be the 2016 one. I think Fernando will retire after 2016 (and Kimi will likely retire after 2015) so even if we do get Adrian to join, Fernando won't enjoying much of the fruits of his labor.

Maybe Vettel will :-E

While I do not believe Vettel clings on Newey for dear life, it wouldn't surprise me if Luca DM have plans to bring Vettel into the team in the future (with or without Newey). In the past, we've heard Luca praising Vettel in ways that reminds me of how he used to praise Alonso during his Renault days.

[Nero Horse]

Fernando Alonso has emphatically denied he would be interested in a move to Mercedes after the dawn of another season in which Ferrari have failed to deliver a front-running car.

The Spaniard finished almost 90 seconds behind the Mercedes cars of Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg on the weekend that marked a year since his last victory in F1.

The partnership between Alonso and Ferrari is now in its fifth season, but has yielded just 11 victories and if 32-year-old is now to add to his two world titles, it will be the longest gap between championship wins in Formula 1 history.

With Mercedes dominant and Alonso's years remaining in the sport ticking away, the paddock rumour-mill has linked him with the Silver Arrows and a reunion with Lewis Hamilton.

However, the Spaniard has dismissed the speculation.

"No," was his blunt response when asked by Sky Sports F1's Natalie Pinkham if he would like to join Mercedes.

When pressed further as to whether he felt his talents deserved a better car, Alonso was careful not to criticise his team, insisting Ferrari can challenge Mercedes before the end of this season.

"I think we need to work better and have a better car at Ferrari. We have the potential, we have the talented people, so we can do that together," Alonso added.

"We can do it this season - it will be tough as we are so far behind, not just us but everyone, but we are in the fifth race of the championship. Our job is to make things hard for Mercedes because when they have a big gap they don't stress the mechanical side so we need to do better."

Ferrari, who are believed to have made a blank-cheque offer to Red Bull Technical Director Adrian Newey, had hoped to close the gap to Mercedes in Spain, but instead found themselves behind not only the pacesetters, but also the two Red Bulls and Bottas' Williams, with Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen fighting over sixth and seventh.

"We would obviously like to be fighting for first and second but unfortunately today we were not quick enough and at the end we had different strategies and I was able to pass him," he said. "But we would rather be fighting for first and second.

"We haven't closed the gap like we intended and we need to close it in the next couple of races."

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/9307160/fernando-alonso-denies-he-is-interested-in-a-move-to-pacesetters-mercedes

[hrc5555]

It looks like Alonso is slipping away! :-s

http://www.marca.com/2014/05/20/motor/formula1/1400591145.html

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/zetsche-says-alonso-best-driver-in-f1/

[Kingdom Hearts]

I don't see anything on that articles, people said what everyone knows, he is the best or one of the best.

[Hornet]

I don't see any reason to read anything else from that statement other than just a honest opinion. Martin Whitmarsh had praised Alonso as well. I think many people around the paddock shares that opinion, so it isn't something strange or uncommon to hint there's something going on.

[Kiwi Nick]

What I think is most ominous, is that Alonso has been rather quiet lately.

[AfterLife]

It looks like Alonso is slipping away! :-s

http://www.marca.com/2014/05/20/motor/formula1/1400591145.html

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/zetsche-says-alonso-best-driver-in-f1/

I've heard some rumors that i am going to leave TSN. is it true?
;-)

[RedRebel40]

What I think is most ominous, is that Alonso has been rather quiet lately.

I think that is because of an issue last year with Montezemolo after that he said that he wanted a Red Bull as a gift if he had to choose something. So he has to carefull not to damage his team relationship.

[Rob]

It looks like Alonso is slipping away! :-s

http://www.marca.com/2014/05/20/motor/formula1/1400591145.html

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/zetsche-says-alonso-best-driver-in-f1/

:-ZZ

rocking the boat.

[hrc5555]

I've heard some rumors that i am going to leave TSN. is it true?
;-)

I have heard that Raikkonen is coming to Ferrari, oh wait he is in Ferrari!! :haha:

About TSN, I have heard it is true! :rotfl

[hrc5555]

:-ZZ

rocking the boat.

:thumb

[abbottcostello]

They say where there's smoke there's fire, quite frankly I don't even see any smoke here!

[Rob]

Its been taken out of context. He was asked whos the best. And at the moment, it is Fernando. As he said, and we have seen past couple years, he gets results and have good races in 3rd-5th fastest car on grid.

I said before, Merc has no reason, none at all to start looking to replace Nico or Lewis. Plus if we do break the bank on signings certian Technical Director, and maybe couple more top designers, Fernando isnt going to want to leave.

[stefa]

Well if this is true then he might even come, everybody has a price. But if...IF Newey would come then Fry goes?

So long and all the best to Mr. Fry. It was waste of everyones time....

[Winter]

:-ZZ

rocking the boat.

Yeah, Hamilton must love comments like that.

[Giallo 550]

Somebody lock this minor annoyance.

[Nero Horse]

Its been taken out of context. He was asked whos the best. And at the moment, it is Fernando. As he said, and we have seen past couple years, he gets results and have good races in 3rd-5th fastest car on grid.

I said before, Merc has no reason, none at all to start looking to replace Nico or Lewis. Plus if we do break the bank on signings certian Technical Director, and maybe couple more top designers, Fernando isnt going to want to leave.

Yep, completely agree with that. :thumb

[Alonsomaniac]

Well people, Fernando Alonso WILL INDEED LEAVE FERRARI........................................... .................................................. .................................................. ............................................when he retires from F1.

(source:Fernando Alonso).

[Nero Horse]

Fernando Alonso will be involved in future projects at Ferrari, claims the Maranello team spokesman, amid swirling reports in the Monaco paddock that the Spaniard’s patience with the Maranello team is finally at an end.

Alonso hinted strongly at his unhappiness on Wednesday, when he welcomed the praise of Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche and said it was “curious” those closer to him do not make similar declarations.

Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo reacted swiftly, describing the 32-year-old as “the best driver in the world” and denying the existence of a “polemical situation”. Nonetheless, there are those who continue to doubt that Alonso will still be wearing red in 2015.

Some think that he could move to Mercedes or return to McLaren, and the latter British team’s supremo Ron Dennis on Thursday reportedly said the door to Woking remains open, so long as the team can build a fully competitive car, “With the 2015 Honda car we hope to have just that.”

But a Ferrari spokesman told Spain’s sports Marca newspaper that Alonso remains committed, “He is committed to being involved in future projects, rebuilding the team to a winning one. He is not someone who is thinking about leaving.”

Many believe that Alonso would be appeased if Ferrari is successful in luring Adrian Newey from Red Bull. Red Bull has tried to stop those reports, issuing a statement quoting Newey as committing to the reigning world champions for “the foreseeable future”.

And new Ferrari team boss Marco Mattiacci issued a simple “no” on Thursday when asked if he has invited Newey to Maranello, “We are working a lot with [technical director James] Allison, someone extremely competent who has a future at Ferrari.”

He also hailed Alonso’s contribution, “Fernando Alonso is a great champion and I am absolutely delighted to have him on our team,” said Mattiacci. I like people who are fighters and are always pushing for better.”

http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/05/23/ferrari-alonso-is-not-thinking-about-leaving/

[windwaves]

You know, I am so tired of these stories. He leaves, he leaves. Fine, he ain't god. No way. Ferrari will continue on, lots of work to do, FA or not FA. What on earth !

Yes, I have huge admiration for the driver and wish he had had a competitive Ferrari to win with Ferrari, but hey, it has not happened and it might not happen in the future. Ferrari will stay and FA will retire.

[Hornet]

Ferrari: Alonso is not thinking about leaving

Alonso have been saying that many times, but no one ever listens. Instead the media continues to write creative stories about Alonso leaving, and some people continue moaning about it like Alonso or Ferrari's fault the media write these stuff. It's a never ending cycle :lou

[ALO]

Brawn on the way to Maranello - 40%
Fernando wants to Mercedes - 95%
Newey receiving an offer - 90%
Newey on the way to Maranello - 5%

:lou

more rumors next year:
Fernando Replaces HAM at merc 99% ( cuz HAM is so annoying cry baby to any team he joins LOL)
All Alonso fans leave TSN next year 98.9%
TSN goes bankrupt cuz all the money Alonso fans were pitching in is gone 0.01%
Kimbots happy 100% wait scratch that 1% only cuz robots have no emotions

but honestly yeah I think ALO does want to goto MERC what driver doesn't want that car right now, just paint it red tho :rotfl

edit maybe the car but not the team

[Nero Horse]

You know, I am so tired of these stories. He leaves, he leaves. Fine, he ain't god. No way. Ferrari will continue on, lots of work to do, FA or not FA. What on earth !

Yes, I have huge admiration for the driver and wish he had had a competitive Ferrari to win with Ferrari, but hey, it has not happened and it might not happen in the future. Ferrari will stay and FA will retire.

I wouldn't have any problem if he left either. I mean I wish and hope he stays, cause he's a great driver, but if he goes then he goes, no big tragedy. The most important thing is that Ferrari would build a good car and then we can win together with someone else. Ferrari will go on, with or without Alonso.

[Alonsomaniac]

Ferrari will go on, with or without Alonso.

That's 100% true, but it's going to be WITH Fernando.:topdance

[Nero Horse]

That's 100% true, but it's going to be WITH Fernando.:topdance

I really...REALLY hope you're right mate. :-)

[shamim179]

I wouldn't have any problem if he left either. I mean I wish and hope he stays, cause he's a great driver, but if he goes then he goes, no big tragedy. The most important thing is that Ferrari would build a good car and then we can win together with someone else. Ferrari will go on, with or without Alonso.

It's in times like these that you need to do whatever you can to hang onto drivers of that calibre. Ferrari are no longer the reference team and cannot call the shots as easily as when they were stronger. Alonso of course is expendable but at the moment Ferrari need him more than Alonso needs Ferrari. Let's hope this balance changes as it cannot carry on like this forever. It will be a blow for Ferrari if Alonso walks out but if Ferrari terminate his contract not as much if you take Ferrari's stance. Pride is at stake here!

[Nero Horse]

It's in times like these that you need to do whatever you can to hang onto drivers of that calibre. Ferrari are no longer the reference team and cannot call the shots as easily as when they were stronger. Alonso of course is expendable but at the moment Ferrari need him more than Alonso needs Ferrari. Let's hope this balance changes as it cannot carry on like this forever. It will be a blow for Ferrari if Alonso walks out but if Ferrari terminate his contract not as much if you take Ferrari's stance. Pride is at stake here!

Well I don't quite agree with the "Ferrari needs Alonso more than Alonso needs Ferrari" part...cause if Alonso doesn't play his cards right then there's a possibility that he could end up with no drive at all or ends up driving for Force India. However I do agree that while Ferrari doesn't have a very good car then a driver like Alonso who can find a way to drive around the car's deficiencies is a very good asset to have, but certainly not indispensable. When Schumi left then everybody thought that it would be a huge blow for Ferrari as well, which in many ways it was, but when the car is good and fast then Ferrari can still win, as Kimi and Massa proved in 2007 and 2008. If Alonso should leave then really not much would change for Ferrari, the biggest priority would still be building a good car and if we manage to do that then good results will come anyway. But, like I already said earlier and have said many times before...I hope Alonso will stay, at least till the end of his contract.

[Hornet]

I wouldn't have any problem if he left either. I mean I wish and hope he stays, cause he's a great driver, but if he goes then he goes, no big tragedy. The most important thing is that Ferrari would build a good car and then we can win together with someone else. Ferrari will go on, with or without Alonso.

While I do think the likes of Vettel or Lewis (hell maybe Riccardo) can take Alonso's place, I do believe we need a great driver to win the title even with a winning capable car. For example, had Mark Webber been the best driver Red Bull had, they may not have won the title. They had a great car, but they still needed Vettel to win the WDC as Mark wasn't able to achieve the best result the car was capable of. Some may say Mark had bad luck, but there were races where Alonso beaten Mark in a normal race situation. Just goes to show how important Vettel's role was in the team.

I also do not believe we'll build another car like the one we had in 2004, the rules are different now. Competition will always be close, and I do hope as things settle down, technical differences between teams will be smaller.

So if and when Alonso leaves, Ferrari will have to go all out to get another great driver to ensure we have the right driver when our turn comes where we build a winning car.

If Alonso leave, I would be excited to see how the likes of Lewis and Vettel, or any upcoming great drivers do in Ferrari, but I would not assume we can get them easily over the other top teams.

[AfterLife]

Some people yet to know how a great driver Fernando Alonso is.

[Majki2111]

Former McLaren and Ferrari driver Alain Prost has some advice for those beleaguered F1 teams — “do something different”.

“If you compare them to Red Bull and Mercedes, you see that Ferrari and McLaren have only continued to work in the same way as they always did,” the quadruple world champion is quoted by Spain’s Marca newspaper.

“Sometimes you have to stop, make a plan and start again. Sometimes you have to do something different,” Prost added.

The F1 legend believes Ferrari‘s problems can be traced back to “when Michael Schumacher left”, while McLaren’s decline began when Adrian Newey switched to Red Bull.

According to swirling rumours in Monaco, McLaren could be looking to boost its fortunes ahead of the works Honda partnership in 2015 by making a swoop for Fernando Alonso.

“Fernando would be welcome back at McLaren,” McLaren ‘supremo’ Ron Dennis, who clashed so infamously with the Spaniard back in 2007, reportedly told the Italian press.

“You’re surprised that I’m talking about Fernando? I don’t have any problem — the most important thing is for us to win again.

“In 2015 we have the Honda engine and we need a great driver.”

McLaren’s current lead driver, Jenson Button, was asked by Spain’s AS newspaper if Alonso will be at McLaren next year.

“He has a Ferrari contract,” the smiling Briton replied.

“Yes it would be a great challenge to have him as a teammate.”

According to two British F1 correspondents, there may be some truth to the Alonso rumours.

Jonathan McEvoy, of the Daily Mail, cited ‘sources’ as he reported that ‘meetings’ have already taken place.

And The Times’ Kevin Eason agreed that “It is an open secret that McLaren have approached Alonso”.

However, while Alonso has sounded frustrated with life at Ferrari recently, returning to struggling McLaren might not be at the top of his wish list.

“I’m happy,” he told France’s L’Equipe. “I have a great life, I’m a Ferrari driver — it doesn’t get much better.

“A third title would be the icing on the cake for my career. So many great drivers have won three titles.”

Flavio Briatore, close to Alonso throughout his career, said in Monaco: “Fernando has a contract with Ferrari, so it’s out of the question to go elsewhere unless something extraordinary happens.

“He, like everyone else, has difficult moments, and like every driver he wants a competitive car, and he can’t solve the problems of an entire team by himself,” the Italian is quoted by La Gazzetta dello Sport.


Source: http://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/dennis-wants-fernando-alonso-back-mclaren/

[Tony]

Let's keep all this discussion in one thread, there will be a lot of these types of rumors until next year...

[Hunkelberg]

You know, with so much bs and uncertainty floating around what gets instilled and leaves constant, lingering, traumatizing impression is how delirious LdM is.

What would be a nice thing to happen so that folk at maranello can see this ? Something contrasting.
I can not think of better idea than this. Put Luca into the race seat so he gets to drive his superb, scarlet, historic, "beautiful" car. Meanwhile you put Alonso into team supremo position. For a season or two. The delirious guy will quickly see what a bucket/bathtub of a car his team is producing year after year, while the other guy would probably as quickly discover new "friends" in technical department, those who are responsible for those atrocities put together, he gets to drive with no hope for improvement.

In the ideal world, Alonso would hold an advanced degree in mechanical engineering besides his feisty racing character. So would Luca. What if Alonso had the knowledge Newey has designing cars...

Of course, this is just a dream. What you get instead is a guy you can not trust to make sound judgement since he is just an MBA. Critically and crucially, he has no knack for engineering. Forget engineering. He probably lacks what people call "critical thinking" ability. And in times like these there needs to be a certain figure who can lead the drowning team out of this vicious circle. Someone with clear technical vision of what is wrong. Ferrari needs technical leadership. Somehow either they do not empower skilled people or they empower another Domenicalis, Mattiaccis, etc etc.

An old, wise and accomplished academician at the school I used to go resented MBA types. I asked him privately, what was wrong with them ? His response was : "Everything. Do you know how MBAs solve problems ? First - they do not. Second - they just `fire him`". In my own experience, I get to see large body of facts that support his notion. And I feel more and more sentimental with the old man.

[Hornet]

You know, with so much bs and uncertainty floating around what gets instilled and leaves constant, lingering, traumatizing impression is how delirious LdM is.

What would be a nice thing to happen so that folk at maranello can see this ? Something contrasting.
I can not think of better idea than this. Put Luca into the race seat so he gets to drive his superb, scarlet, historic, "beautiful" car. Meanwhile you put Alonso into team supremo position. For a season or two. The delirious guy will quickly see what a bucket/bathtub of a car his team is producing year after year, while the other guy would probably as quickly discover new "friends" in technical department, those who are responsible for those atrocities put together, he gets to drive with no hope for improvement.

In the ideal world, Alonso would hold an advanced degree in mechanical engineering besides his feisty racing character. So would Luca. What if Alonso had the knowledge Newey has designing cars...

Of course, this is just a dream. What you get instead is a guy you can not trust to make sound judgement since he is just an MBA. Critically and crucially, he has no knack for engineering. Forget engineering. He probably lacks what people call "critical thinking" ability. And in times like these there needs to be a certain figure who can lead the drowning team out of this vicious circle. Someone with clear technical vision of what is wrong. Ferrari needs technical leadership. Somehow either they do not empower skilled people or they empower another Domenicalis, Mattiaccis, etc etc.

An old, wise and accomplished academician at the school I used to go resented MBA types. I asked him privately, what was wrong with them ? His response was : "Everything. Do you know how MBAs solve problems ? First - they do not. Second - they just `fire him`". In my own experience, I get to see large body of facts that support his notion. And I feel more and more sentimental with the old man.

Um...
Anyway Flavio Briatorie used to be a salesmen before he was involved in motorsport, but look what he did with Schumi and Alonso. Not only did Flavio recognized their potential, he had successfully put together a team capable of winning the title thus utilizing both driver's talent. He did it twice with Schumi and Alonso, proving that it wasn't just luck, but he knows what he was doing.

It doesn't matter what background they come from, being a great manager is not something we learn from universities. If there's one quality that Luca DM saw in Domenicali and Mattiacci that made him decide they are the right people for this job, it is their ability to manage an organization of people. The only thing Mattiacci lacks is the experience in motorsport, but Luca probable believe he will be able to learn quickly and be prepare to lead the team by next year or so.

[Tony]

You know, with so much bs and uncertainty floating around what gets instilled and leaves constant, lingering, traumatizing impression is how delirious LdM is.

What would be a nice thing to happen so that folk at maranello can see this ? Something contrasting.
I can not think of better idea than this. Put Luca into the race seat so he gets to drive his superb, scarlet, historic, "beautiful" car. Meanwhile you put Alonso into team supremo position. For a season or two. The delirious guy will quickly see what a bucket/bathtub of a car his team is producing year after year, while the other guy would probably as quickly discover new "friends" in technical department, those who are responsible for those atrocities put together, he gets to drive with no hope for improvement.

In the ideal world, Alonso would hold an advanced degree in mechanical engineering besides his feisty racing character. So would Luca. What if Alonso had the knowledge Newey has designing cars...

Of course, this is just a dream. What you get instead is a guy you can not trust to make sound judgement since he is just an MBA. Critically and crucially, he has no knack for engineering. Forget engineering. He probably lacks what people call "critical thinking" ability. And in times like these there needs to be a certain figure who can lead the drowning team out of this vicious circle. Someone with clear technical vision of what is wrong. Ferrari needs technical leadership. Somehow either they do not empower skilled people or they empower another Domenicalis, Mattiaccis, etc etc.

An old, wise and accomplished academician at the school I used to go resented MBA types. I asked him privately, what was wrong with them ? His response was : "Everything. Do you know how MBAs solve problems ? First - they do not. Second - they just `fire him`". In my own experience, I get to see large body of facts that support his notion. And I feel more and more sentimental with the old man.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.... Engineers are smart because they don't fire people, MBA's are stupid because they fire people.... LdM hasn't fired anyone, SD left on his own so he must still be smart.... yet you still want him fired.... which is a very MBA kind of thing to do according to your own statement.... are you an MBA then?

[Nero Horse]

You know, with so much bs and uncertainty floating around what gets instilled and leaves constant, lingering, traumatizing impression is how delirious LdM is.

What would be a nice thing to happen so that folk at maranello can see this ? Something contrasting.
I can not think of better idea than this. Put Luca into the race seat so he gets to drive his superb, scarlet, historic, "beautiful" car. Meanwhile you put Alonso into team supremo position. For a season or two. The delirious guy will quickly see what a bucket/bathtub of a car his team is producing year after year, while the other guy would probably as quickly discover new "friends" in technical department, those who are responsible for those atrocities put together, he gets to drive with no hope for improvement.

In the ideal world, Alonso would hold an advanced degree in mechanical engineering besides his feisty racing character. So would Luca. What if Alonso had the knowledge Newey has designing cars...

Of course, this is just a dream. What you get instead is a guy you can not trust to make sound judgement since he is just an MBA. Critically and crucially, he has no knack for engineering. Forget engineering. He probably lacks what people call "critical thinking" ability. And in times like these there needs to be a certain figure who can lead the drowning team out of this vicious circle. Someone with clear technical vision of what is wrong. Ferrari needs technical leadership. Somehow either they do not empower skilled people or they empower another Domenicalis, Mattiaccis, etc etc.

An old, wise and accomplished academician at the school I used to go resented MBA types. I asked him privately, what was wrong with them ? His response was : "Everything. Do you know how MBAs solve problems ? First - they do not. Second - they just `fire him`". In my own experience, I get to see large body of facts that support his notion. And I feel more and more sentimental with the old man.

*yawn* :-ZZ

[Nero Horse]

THIS...

Alonso: “I’m happy,” “I have a great life, I’m a Ferrari driver — it doesn’t get much better.

and THIS...

Flavio Briatore, close to Alonso throughout his career, said in Monaco: “Fernando has a contract with Ferrari, so it’s out of the question to go elsewhere unless something extraordinary happens.

is what is truly important. All the other things that are being said by the media is just noise in the background.


Of course Ron keeps an eye out for Alonso, just as every other team boss does, it's nothing surprising. But what really matters is that at the moment Alonso has a contract with Ferrari and I won't believe any of these rumors and stories about him "supposedly going to some other team" until it's 100% completely official.

[tpe]

I don't know, but my feeling from mid-season last year, is that FA is not the "beast" he used to be. Probably he is tired to have a medium car at his disposal. Remember, his only really good car was the Renault of 2006...