Montmelo Test 13-15th May

[PadGeT]

http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/13/020c6694-630a-45cb-98fc-33ef96d0690f_800.jpg
Whats meant by " breaking down" ?
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dcd1413my150.jpg
Is this an aero sensor or thermal one?
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dcd1413my55.jpg
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dcd1413my61.jpg
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dcd1413my48.jpg
via Sutton

[LivingHitokiri]

Do we got any coverage on this ?

[AfterLife]

Do we got any coverage on this ?

Twitter coverage.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12430/9308993/barcelona-test-in-tweets

[Ste]

Kimi Räikkönen failed to set a time after he stopped on his second lap of running with smoke trailing from the rear of his Ferrari F14T.

[LivingHitokiri]

Twitter coverage.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12430/9308993/barcelona-test-in-tweets
Thanks!



What the hell happen, not only we got unlucky with the weather but our car broke down ?
Can the issue be fixed during launch break ?

[LivingHitokiri]

So our engine simply blew , just saw the smokes of the f14-t .
Im not sure what have done to deserve such luck,honestly.

[Ed Harley]

With some luck it is just an oil leak or such but could be worse.

[Ed Harley]

https://twitter.com/pitlanetalk/status/466142778393894912/photo/1


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BngSYuSCIAA73Xh.jpg

[Hornet]

That doesn't look good. But better in testing than race.

For all the break downs we've had during testing, we're still the most reliable PU during race weekends

[PadGeT]

Theres a reason its called testing

[fratelliferrari]

With some luck it is just an oil leak or such but could be worse.

I hope you are right :pray We have to use all the tracktime we can today!

[shamim179]

Oh dear! This is a critical test for us. Hopefully it's nothing major.

[Kiwi Nick]

Major is sort of a relative term. No doubt they can fix the problem, but they cannot get the testing time back. Looks like Ferrari will have 1 day of testing not two.

[LivingHitokiri]

Our boys are working hard to fix the problem , some are reporting that in order to change the PU they need around 9 hours :-E
I hope we manage to get some runs by the end of the day.

[PadGeT]

Still no sign of Raikkonen or Vergne after they caused red flags this morning. Just two laps each completed

[Ed Harley]

Total waste of a testing day but what can you do.

[SinanOzerS]

Kimi is the only one not to set a lap time so far. Perfect.

[Sanomas]

It looks like test didn't went well for today, hopefully the car get fixed soon and we'll back to testing by tomorrow time...

[Alesi1]

Fernando's b spec is to the left of the car covered in a red drape ( sorry couldn't resist)

[vcs316]

Unbelievable.

First in-season test: Broken chassis
Second test: Broken engine

[Wildcat]

Can Ferrari be any worse ?

[RedRebel40]

We asked for in season testing and we havent tested much today and also on the last Bahrain test. Kind of embarassing if you ask me.

[Alesi1]

We asked for in season testing and we havent tested much today and also on the last Bahrain test. Kind of embarassing if you ask me.
Yep, below par. Wasted opportunities.

[Kyss4k]

Asked for engine formula.... messed up.
Asked for more testing.... messed up.

This can't be happening.

[gjoko-mkd]

What they are doing????Everything are going to hell

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16891581

[Kyss4k]

What they are doing????Everything are going to hell

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16891581

Looks like they sorted it out.

[gvera]

Well, this demonsrtates without any doubt that Ferrari needs to be allowed to upgrade the PU based on reliability reasons. :lou

[gvera]

Kimi fastest at the moment (16:40)

Pos Pilote Temps Tours
1 K. Räikkönen 1:26.965 10
2 L. Hamilton 1:27.101 67
3 F. Massa 1:27.756 40
4 J. Button 1:28.333 59
5 C. Pic 1:28.468 47
6 J.-E. Vergne 1:28.545 31
7 N. Hülkenberg 1:28.748 37
8 K. Kobayashi 1:30.252 62
9 M. Chilton 1:30.584 45
10 S. Buemi 1:31.440 54
11 G. van der Garde 1:32.234 58

[Senna4Ever]

Correct me if I'm wrong but we didn't drive much today
... 10 laps better than 0
... nice smoke machine ... at least we can offer for discotheque :-) ... "I have a Ferrari in my discotheque"

[Alonso14]

What they are doing????Everything are going to hell

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16891581

Maybe the design team realized that nothing can make the F14T so they decided to cut it in half.

And apparently it worked, Kimi with the fastest time.

[Kyss4k]

Red flag. Kimi again. This time stuck in gravel.

[Winter]

Kimi on the gravel :-??

[LivingHitokiri]

Omg, we got problem with the second engine now
?
Kobayashi reported he saw oil in turn 4.....

[AfterLife]

What they are doing????Everything are going to hell

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16891581

Apparently the problem was the unwanted mixture of oil and fuel burning together in that video.

[AfterLife]

Omg, we got problem with the second engine now
?
Kobayashi reported he saw oil in turn 4.....

Who said second engine?

[Winter]

Are these engines counted in to those engines to use per season?

[Winter]

Apparently the problem was the unwanted mixture of oil and fuel burning together in that video.

Usually lot of smoke means unwanted burning of oil. But there can be many reasons for that, from simple oil leak to severe internal engine failure.

[LivingHitokiri]

Who said second engine?
Didnt we wasted all this time in the garage in order to change his engine ? i saw report saying ti was engine and it would take 9 hours for them to change the PU and taking into consideration the time we took to get Raikkonen out i used we did that.
If its not then im glad, but, what the hell was that smoke when he stopped in the morning, oil leak ?

[gvera]

Omg, we got problem with the second engine now
?
Kobayashi reported he saw oil in turn 4.....

It might be another's car oil and Kimi just went out because of it, we don't know yet.

[Winter]

Lewis hit to the track. bye bye to our fastest time..

[Nova]

Well, Kimi fastest but with problems..mabey they have the wick turned up to see just what will break
b4 they do it in a race. Its testing, so better to find the problems now. N they have to do this, we r simply
too slow in the races, so fire it up boys. I think its a good sign.

[LivingHitokiri]

Well, Kimi fastest but with problems..mabey they have the wick turned up to see just what will break
b4 they do it in a race. Its testing, so better to find the problems now. N they have to do this, we r simply
too slow in the races, so fire it up boys. I think its a good sign.
The fact that raikkonen did faster lap on tests than he ever did during the qualifying even under major problems shows positive sings that the new parts we are testing are faster for sure, lets hope they are faster by a lot.

[SinanOzerS]

The fact that raikkonen did faster lap on tests than he ever did during the qualifying even under major problems shows positive sings that the new parts we are testing are faster for sure, lets hope they are faster by a lot.

There's a lot of variable things between the testing conditions and qualifying/race conditions. These times means absolutely nothing.

[Greig]

There's a lot of variable things between the testing conditions and qualifying/race conditions. These times means absolutely nothing.

They don't really mean nothing otherwise there would be no point in testing.

[Winter]

There's a lot of variable things between the testing conditions and qualifying/race conditions. These times means absolutely nothing.

There shouldn't be so much differences to qualifying conditions. And as it has rained after quali, the track shouldn't be much faster either.

[Nero Horse]

Can Ferrari be any worse ?

YES! Take a look at where Mclaren is with their Merc engines LOL. We still have at least some things going for us, like reliability...we are the only team that has managed to finish with both cars in every race this season and only once outside the points.

[AfterLife]

Maybe we test nitro to compensate lack of hp :munch
We will have one of these switches in the car cockpit. http://www.vanseggeren.nl/tunpics/208254N.jpg

[Winter]

Ok, half of a second behind Marussia today, not bad..

[LivingHitokiri]

CHilton fastest in the day one... albeit on supersoft but i still lold.

[LivingHitokiri]

According to the media here in Greece Raikkonen did indeed change his engine....

[bondilad]

Does anyone know on what tyres the times were set today?

[LivingHitokiri]

Does anyone know on what tyres the times were set today?

Chilton on SS, Pic on Soft, Hamilton medium, Raikkonern Soft, Massa medium as same for the rest.

[bondilad]

Chilton on SS, Pic on Soft, Hamilton medium, Raikkonern Soft, Massa medium as same for the rest.

Thx. Hopefully we'll do some serious milage tomorrow.

[Greig]

YES! Take a look at where Mclaren is with their Merc engines LOL. We still have at least some things going for us, like reliability...we are the only team that has managed to finish with both cars in every race this season and only once outside the points.

And to think after Australia we had people on here telling us how Ron Dennis is the genius that made them brilliant overnight.

[Nero Horse]

And to think after Australia we had people on here telling us how Ron Dennis is the genius that made them brilliant overnight.

LOL :rotfl

[Nova]

Isnt Marussia Ferrari powered? They were faster than us!

[Rob]

And to think after Australia we had people on here telling us how Ron Dennis is the genius that made them brilliant overnight.

:clap

[AfterLife]

Isnt Marussia Ferrari powered? They were faster than us!

Yeah. They were faster than us from the beginning of this season, but i don't know why they lose the path in every race!?

[Rob]

Mercedes: moving the ballast on the W05 Hybrid

The technicians at Brackley they added the pats of tungsten front wing of Hamilton
May 13, 2014 17:12 Mercedes: moving the ballast on the W05 Hybrid
http://i58.tinypic.com/2yowb9t.jpg
The Mercedes continues to experiment: test in Barcelona has seen a front wing is identical in form to that which was used in the Spanish GP Lewis Hamilton won Sunday. The difference was only in the arrangement of the ballast : look at the neutral central profile which now has the "flaps" the largest and most advanced of which are hidden under the cakes of tungsten . On W05 , then, the engineers at Brackley would have arrived at the limit of the distribution front of the weights (the FIA rules, in fact, requires a minimum of 314 kg on the front and 369 on the back, having 9 kg to move ... to find the best balance.) The image shows that the weight has been moved on the front , perhaps to avoid oversteer which just Lewis had complained in the last laps of the race on Sunday (which was solved with a stiffer rear differential). The modification imposes a greater load of the front wing (to avoid generating understeer, but allows to download slightly back, favoring a greater maximum speed.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/37833/f1-test-barcellona-mercedes-si-spostano-le-zavorre-sulla-w05-hybrid

[Suzie]

And to think after Australia we had people on here telling us how Ron Dennis is the genius that made them brilliant overnight.

Oooh maybe he will end up in the same place Martin Whitmarsh is.
Which is... um...

Oh.

[Nero Horse]

Yeah. They were faster than us from the beginning of this season, but i don't know why they lose the path in every race!?

Wait a second, who exactly are you talking about here? Who was faster than us from the beginning of the season? Marussia??? What...where...when? Is this supposed to be a joke?! I sincerely hope so...

[LivingHitokiri]

I think AfterLife is talking about Mclaren and the season opener.

[Nero Horse]

I think AfterLife is talking about Mclaren and the season opener.

Well he replied to a comment made by Nova where Nova was talking about Marussia, so... which is it then?

[LivingHitokiri]

Well he replied to a comment made by Nova where Nova was talking about Marussia, so... which is it then?

Ohh you're right then, i think in this occasion he was just being sarcastic about Marussia being faster :P

[Nero Horse]

Ohh you're right then, i think in this occasion he was just being sarcastic about Marussia being faster :P

Let's wait till he finally gets around to speak for himself.

[voiko]

All you need to do is look at the FW on the merc and realise how much they are thinking outside the box. It's a beast. Ours is crap.

[20000rpm]

All you need to do is look at the FW on the merc and realise how much they are thinking outside the box. It's a beast. Ours is crap.
This happens when your aero section is headed by a person/persons who is not in tune with the demands of the current F-1.

[AfterLife]

Wait a second, who exactly are you talking about here? Who was faster than us from the beginning of the season? Marussia??? What...where...when? Is this supposed to be a joke?! I sincerely hope so...

It was a joke Obviously.

[AfterLife]

I think AfterLife is talking about Mclaren and the season opener.

No, I was talking about Marussia and it was a joke. They were nowhere compare to us from the beginning.

[nash929]

With the problems on the engine yesterday, wouldn't that tell us that they are doing something with it? Tweaking to get the utmost performance, thus breaking it in some way?

[AfterLife]

OMG, Surely This is the wrong path F! are going. :haha: I prefer muted cars than this pure art :haha::haha:

http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/14/5388485f-3dde-4313-bb49-6318f26511a9_800.jpg
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/14/751a79a5-0bea-45b9-8e9a-87823640b0f1_800.jpg

[Ed Harley]

What's next - FIA supplied spec noise amplifiers, perhaps.

Then again I have Supertrapp Supermeg on my Harley...

[nash929]

Looks like a funnel to me. The one they used to refuel the cars in the old days!

...and by the way, am I the only one who's getting used to the new sound already? :D

[tifosi1993]

OMG, Surely This is the wrong path F! are going. :haha: I prefer muted cars than this pure art :haha::haha:

http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/14/5388485f-3dde-4313-bb49-6318f26511a9_800.jpg
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/14/751a79a5-0bea-45b9-8e9a-87823640b0f1_800.jpg

:-E :rotfl

[fratelliferrari]

Lol what a joke that trumpet on the Merc :lol

[karvyin12]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

[nikola0406]

Yeah it does look funny, but ask youself, it it was there to make car faster rather then louder, it woukd not make us LOL. So it is funny becouse we know why it is there. I would like to hear it first. Our nose is much funnier then this trumpet and it doesnt work. ;-)

[karvyin12]

What if it rains? We all can have a hot shower....:haha::haha:

[SinanOzerS]

Vuvuzela !

[Senna4Ever]

... and after crossing the finish line it blows out confetti at the top 3 drivers of the race ...
and Ronald McDonald makes driver interview on the podium ...

ei ei ei

cheers

[tifosi1993]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dcd1414my96.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dcd1414my97.jpg

[Hornet]

Yeah it does look funny, but ask youself, it it was there to make car faster rather then louder, it woukd not make us LOL. So it is funny becouse we know why it is there. I would like to hear it first. Our nose is much funnier then this trumpet and it doesnt work. ;-)

It's funny because it's a dumb solution to the engine sound problem. Sticking a trumpet on the exhaust is not going to make the engine sound any nicer, because it's only giving us more exhaust sound, trumpeted exhaust sound this time. It's not the engine sound that the fans wanted. It will only further drown out the engine sound.

[nikola0406]

So what would you sugest? Scrap those engines and go back to V12? I would love to see that too, but it want happen. I dont like this either, I would rather see them tuning those engines up to 15.000rpm, by allowing unlimited fuel flow. Maybe then it would sound better. Louder.

[Hornet]

So what would you sugest? Scrap those engines and go back to V12? I would love to see that too, but it want happen. I dont like this either, I would rather see them tuning those engines up to 15.000rpm, by allowing unlimited fuel flow. Maybe then it would sound better. Louder.

Yeah, as you said, to really increase the engine sound, you have to run the engine at a higher RPM. Even a bump to 150kg fuel would probably encourage that.

Problem is that will go against their green agenda. So the FIA either have to accept that the new engine will never be spectacular and stop trying things which makes it worse (they will have to sell the sport to the fans in other ways, not the engine sound), or they have to be willing enough to make huge technical changes that will encourage the engine to run at higher rpm.

Having a trumpet seems like a halfhearted attempt at fixing the problem without willingness to budge from their aim of making greener F1 cars

[Ed Harley]

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16896640

[piglett]

I would rather see them tuning those engines up to 15.000rpm, by allowing unlimited fuel flow. Maybe then it would sound better. Louder.

Highly doubt it. I've seen the Merc's engine rev to 13k.
I'll try to explain: Due to the small capacity of the engine they are running high compression( about 12 or 13:1, average road car engine is 9.5:1) and hi boost witch equates to >20:1 (if not >30:1) dynamic compression ratio. At 20 or more to 1 they really sound like diesels. Listen carefully on the onboard vids.
Now, take your average highly tuned Skyline R35, 3.5L V6 witch is running low compression( 7 or 8:1), and mild boost( 2-3 bar), and you get 1000hp+ and a sweet sounding engine at about 9k rpms.

[SinanOzerS]

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16896640

Absolutely no difference.

[stefa]

This is RIDICULOUS!!!!

[radosav]

So what would you sugest? Scrap those engines and go back to V12? I would love to see that too, but it want happen. I dont like this either, I would rather see them tuning those engines up to 15.000rpm, by allowing unlimited fuel flow. Maybe then it would sound better. Louder.Indy car engines sound good, and they are similar to these F1 engines!

[Ed Harley]

Note engine program cost differences.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0s1YMZtOSY

[AfterLife]

Artificial sound boosting is not acceptable. The sound is unreal and we can't deceive ourselves.
There is one simple solution, get used to it.

[Senna4Ever]

despite all this sound farce ... any news about times and progress of the test?

[Alessandra]

... and after crossing the finish line it blows out confetti at the top 3 drivers of the race ...
and Ronald McDonald makes driver interview on the podium ...

ei ei ei

cheers

+1

Really stupid idea - and a bit insulting really - unless we could have 'The Ride of the Valkyre' :roll

[diesel08]

Mercedes: moving the ballast on the W05 Hybrid

The technicians at Brackley they added the pats of tungsten front wing of Hamilton
May 13, 2014 17:12 Mercedes: moving the ballast on the W05 Hybrid
http://i58.tinypic.com/2yowb9t.jpg
The Mercedes continues to experiment: test in Barcelona has seen a front wing is identical in form to that which was used in the Spanish GP Lewis Hamilton won Sunday. The difference was only in the arrangement of the ballast : look at the neutral central profile which now has the "flaps" the largest and most advanced of which are hidden under the cakes of tungsten . On W05 , then, the engineers at Brackley would have arrived at the limit of the distribution front of the weights (the FIA rules, in fact, requires a minimum of 314 kg on the front and 369 on the back, having 9 kg to move ... to find the best balance.) The image shows that the weight has been moved on the front , perhaps to avoid oversteer which just Lewis had complained in the last laps of the race on Sunday (which was solved with a stiffer rear differential). The modification imposes a greater load of the front wing (to avoid generating understeer, but allows to download slightly back, favoring a greater maximum speed.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/37833/f1-test-barcellona-mercedes-si-spostano-le-zavorre-sulla-w05-hybrid

just WOW!

[PadGeT]

despite all this sound farce ... any news about times and progress of the test?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnl2GtWIEAAx4TG.jpg:large

[Hornet]

just WOW!

I think it's something they can do because Lewis is slightly smaller in size than most driver, so they have the luxury of adding extra ballast wherever they want.

[tifosi1993]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dcd1414my319.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dcd1414my308.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dcd1414my309.jpg

[Senna4Ever]

picture removed
thank you ...

[Senna4Ever]

unless we could have 'The Ride of the Valkyre' :roll

I think we should combine our ideas ... this grows ... maybe someone can add ...
And remember when you see it, where you heard it first!!!!

[varun]

Mercedes have so much pace in the bag that they are now worried about things like improving sounds etc ...
Whatever,hopefully Ferrari are going about their test schedule and really make the car atleast drivable for Kimi and Alonso as i am not expecting wins any time soon.:roll

[Kiwi Nick]

Blown wheel nuts are back.

[zike]

Blown wheel nuts are back.

it looks like that is the only upgrade we have, we put them on then off, that we upgrade again by putting them on :-D

[windwaves]

and then again put them off….

classic strategy of nothing of the old management: stay calm, we have huge upgrades coming soon, you will see. Yes, right.

Sadly it will take some time to see whether the new guy will improve things, but it is impossible to do worse that SD !!!!

[Muhammad Ansib]

Where is the B-spec Car?

[Alesi1]

Where is the B-spec Car?

See page 1 pic 1, next to the draped car. More robust and can drive through opposition albeit a little slower ( though possibly faster thn present machinery with similar handing just like 1991 I think, right Alain?).

[PadGeT]

See page 1 pic 1, next to the draped car. More robust and can drive through opposition albeit a little slower ( though possibly faster thn present machinery with similar handing just like 1991 I think, right Alain?).
:-!
Whats your problem ?

Blown wheel nuts are back.
We were doing blowing since the bahrain in season tests.

[shamim179]

So what did we try to do in these tests? If we didn't test new parts then what did we do? How many more baselines do we need? We really need to just get on with it.

[PadGeT]

We did correlation between track data and factory base

[shamim179]

We did correlation between track data and factory base

We spent a lot of time with correlation work last year and it seems not much has changed for this year despit all those bullish remarks.

[Hornet]

So what did we try to do in these tests? If we didn't test new parts then what did we do? How many more baselines do we need? We really need to just get on with it.
Probably changes are made under the hood, such as testing new PU parts that we can introduce for reliability upgrades.

[Kiwi Nick]

Any word on what failed in the PU yesterday? Did they have to replace the ICE?

[PadGeT]

We spent a lot of time with correlation work last year and it seems not much has changed for this year despit all those bullish remarks.
Ya, and should do they stop doing it based on last seasons misery ? what benefit will that bring ? Ypu do realise theres alot more going on back at the factory's windtunnel. If the 60% model model shows the same trend as track data, we can extrapolate them and do much swifter changes in the model before validation in FP1.

[Kyss4k]

Note engine program cost differences.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0s1YMZtOSY

I miss the 2013 sound so much. And the cost... wow.

[windwaves]

I have not yet been to a race this year yet and last time it was MTL 2012 and dude it was a fantastic orgasmic sound. I wonder how it was in the days of the V12 !?!?!?!?!

The FIA people got to be put in jail.

Now coming up with artificial sound ? crazy stuff. F1 becoming a farce. Should not be allowed. I hope some will react and bring things back to where this sport belongs.

[shamim179]

Ya, and should do they stop doing it based on last seasons misery ? what benefit will that bring ? Ypu do realise theres alot more going on back at the factory's windtunnel. If the 60% model model shows the same trend as track data, we can extrapolate them and do much swifter changes in the model before validation in FP1.

No. I'm not suggesting they stop the correlation work. What I'm saying is we need to get a move on and fast. We will never catch up with the front runners because we'll fall even further behind them and those that were well behind us are already breathing behind our neck. How we do this year is critical to next year as it is essentially a progression. If we're not capable of pushing forward like this it is better to stay silent or be more conservative in your remarks. Everything that's happened over the last few days does it give you a lot of confidence? It doesn't to me. We really need to get cracking here otherwise it won't just be this year that is wasted but the years to follow as well.

[windwaves]

yes but the focus I believe needs to be on the future, may be 2015, may be 2016. This season is over and we need to leverage the remaining GPs as test ground for the new car.

Of course Ferrari cannot afford to simply let go entirely the current season, that is clear, but the effort for actual results now must be the absolute minimum to save face. The majority of resources must be dedicated to next year. I read that Allison is now entirely focused on new car or something along these lines anyway and that made me feel much better. I have no idea whether this is the guy who can do it, but I know that is what Ferrari needs to do.

[PadGeT]

If we're not capable of pushing forward like this it is better to stay silent or be more conservative in your remarks.

Only thing I agree with you.
I hate seeing Luca tell the fans every year that its time to win.
Its not like we are going anywhere if the team doesn't win. But maybe that me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnmsu0ZIgAAvIxL.jpg:large

[LivingHitokiri]

So SS are around 1.5 seconds faster, just imagine the times mercs can do on them, thats terrifying ...

[PadGeT]

:furious
What is Lotus testing ?
Those interested in Flow-viz, here's one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnmNHXpIMAA-9eY.jpg:large

:lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnmDFTWCEAA3UAL.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/sutton/2013/dcd1414my95.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DZSIqmI.jpg
:Hmm
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CViEX9bWxLw/U3MhKLMhp9I/AAAAAAAADRU/Cwd8wV1IjLU/s1600/DSC03555+copy.jpg
Dear Red Bull, you try too hard !! :-!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnhXspMIcAAfho5.jpg

[Alonso14]

:furious
What the... is Lotus testing ?

The times without context don't mean a lot, even compared to Q on Saturday. There must be more rubber on the track (FP1,2,3+Q1,2,3+R+Test1,2), we don't know track temperatures compared to Q, which tyre they have used, fuel loads, etc. I don't think we can read a lot in the lap times without the proper context. Yes, probably they have moved forward but by how much exactly? Only Lotus can answer that at the moment.

[Winter]

yes but the focus I believe needs to be on the future, may be 2015, may be 2016. This season is over and we need to leverage the remaining GPs as test ground for the new car.

Of course Ferrari cannot afford to simply let go entirely the current season, that is clear, but the effort for actual results now must be the absolute minimum to save face. The majority of resources must be dedicated to next year. I read that Allison is now entirely focused on new car or something along these lines anyway and that made me feel much better. I have no idea whether this is the guy who can do it, but I know that is what Ferrari needs to do.

It's way different to put focus to next year now, that it was last year. There wont be so much changes to the rules and any improvement to F14T is usable with next years car too. Engine department has been working with 2015 version for a while now I think, because there's so little what is allowed to do with current one due the engine freeze.

I think it's best to keep on working with F14T until the season ends, because next season starts pretty much where this one ends.

[PadGeT]

Chequered flag is out, here are the times at the end of day two
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnm64pwIAAEqXIG.jpg:large
http://i.imgur.com/cGXvl2K.jpg
:Hmm
http://i.imgur.com/GwpnFm3.jpg

[Nero Horse]

With the problems on the engine yesterday, wouldn't that tell us that they are doing something with it? Tweaking to get the utmost performance, thus breaking it in some way?


Any word on what failed in the PU yesterday? Did they have to replace the ICE?

La Gazzetta is saying that Ferrari were testing extreme engine solutions yesterday to improve for Canada, which caused the PU failure. And yes, they did change the ICE on Kimi's car.

[Winter]

Was that blown engine new, or was it the same he raced with?

[LivingHitokiri]

La Gazzetta is saying that Ferrari were testing extreme engine solutions yesterday to improve for Canada, which caused the PU failure. And yes, they did change the ICE on Kimi's car.

Why for some reason i found ICE changing amusing :rotfl

[sachin]

The times without context don't mean a lot, even compared to Q on Saturday. There must be more rubber on the track (FP1,2,3+Q1,2,3+R+Test1,2), we don't know track temperatures compared to Q, which tyre they have used, fuel loads, etc. I don't think we can read a lot in the lap times without the proper context. Yes, probably they have moved forward but by how much exactly? Only Lotus can answer that at the moment.

If that time is not on supersofts then lotus for sure are improving and fast.As far as i remember we didnt reach 1 minute 25s in q3.Ferrari need to respond NOW,gosh why have Ferrari have forgot meaning of upgrades?:-(

[LivingHitokiri]

Lotus time was on SS, no doubt about that.

[vcs316]

2014 Barcelona: Ferrari Formula One F1 Wednesday Test Recap


Driver: Driver: Kimi Raikkonen Car: Ferrari F14 T Weather: Weather: air temperature 13/27°C, track temperature 20/34 °C. Sunny Laps/Km completed: Laps/Km completed: 94/438 Best lap: Best lap: 1:26.480

Scuderia Ferrari ended up third fastest on the second and final day of the second of the three in-season tests planned for this year.

Constant speed runs for aero measurement work and set-up testing with the F14 T were on the agenda today. Kimi Raikkonen made up for some of the time lost yesterday to various difficulties, bringing a busy programme to a close at the Catalan track.

Most of the running was done on the Medium tyres, ending on the softer one. There were no problems today and the weather was much more spring-like than yesterday.

Scuderia Ferrari will be back in action at the Monaco Grand Prix, the sixth round of the world championship, over the weekend of 25th May, on the Monte Carlo street circuit.

[PadGeT]

What kind of delta can we expect from the SS compared to S ?

[Nova]

Let's wait till he finally gets around to speak for himself.

Hello boys n girls....Marussia is Ferrari powered, and yes they were faster than us...faster than everybody..yesterday..at the test.
That was on the timesheet, right?

There ya go..I speaked for myself..They'll probably get some much needed sponsorship now.

[Alonso14]

What kind of delta can we expect from the SS compared to S ?

In Spain or Monaco?

[nikola0406]

Maybe they should give us this with a ticket

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa423/nikola0406/Oin_zps7dd43897.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/nikola0406/media/Oin_zps7dd43897.jpg.html)

[windwaves]

It's way different to put focus to next year now, that it was last year. There wont be so much changes to the rules and any improvement to F14T is usable with next years car too. Engine department has been working with 2015 version for a while now I think, because there's so little what is allowed to do with current one due the engine freeze.

I think it's best to keep on working with F14T until the season ends, because next season starts pretty much where this one ends.

how about screw the engine freeze, get DQ if so it must be, or grid penalties, yet get to test some new engine and chassis. Lets show some balls to these FIA cretins. The F14T seems to be a total fail, like every bits and piece on the car is poorly conceived.

I mean, I don't have the solution, but something fairly drastic I suspect is what is needed otherwise it will be another 2 decades before we win again ! And one was enough !!!

[PadGeT]

Maybe they should give us this with a ticket

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa423/nikola0406/Oin_zps7dd43897.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/nikola0406/media/Oin_zps7dd43897.jpg.html)

And how is that going to help with your annoying friend sitting beside ?

[Nero Horse]

And how is that going to help with your annoying friend sitting beside ?

Don't feed the trolls. ;-)

[Kiwi Nick]

how about screw the engine freeze, get DQ if so it must be, or grid penalties, yet get to test some new engine and chassis. Lets show some balls to these FIA cretins. The F14T seems to be a total fail, like every bits and piece on the car is poorly conceived.

I mean, I don't have the solution, but something fairly drastic I suspect is what is needed otherwise it will be another 2 decades before we win again ! And one was enough !!!

I don't often agree with people from NYC, but when I do...It is because they are spot on. It would be a great idea to run the remainder of the season as a multi-race testing and development t program for 2015. Brilliant!

[Grinsomx]

it's actually sad to see Ferrari in this state.
they got what they asked for and did nothing special.
in season development is abysmal, mostly at the start of each season for the last few years.
we really need something good or i fear we are back to the 80's and our drivers do not deserve that

[F1NAC]

I don't often agree with people from NYC, but when I do...It is because they are spot on. It would be a great idea to run the remainder of the season as a multi-race testing and development t program for 2015. Brilliant!

sooooooo you must be really desperated to want Ferrari to cheat and win by cheating. GJ

[DIEK]

OMG, Surely This is the wrong path F! are going. :haha: I prefer muted cars than this pure art :haha::haha:

http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/14/5388485f-3dde-4313-bb49-6318f26511a9_800.jpg
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/5/14/751a79a5-0bea-45b9-8e9a-87823640b0f1_800.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnlcVydIMAIVeKv.jpg:large

:-D

[abbottcostello]

how about screw the engine freeze, get DQ if so it must be, or grid penalties, yet get to test some new engine and chassis. Lets show some balls to these FIA cretins. The F14T seems to be a total fail, like every bits and piece on the car is poorly conceived.

I mean, I don't have the solution, but something fairly drastic I suspect is what is needed otherwise it will be another 2 decades before we win again ! And one was enough !!!
They would not even let the car on track with a new chassis unless it was completely certified. Has to pass all crash testing & I'm not sure what else?

[windwaves]

I don't often agree with people from NYC, but when I do...It is because they are spot on. It would be a great idea to run the remainder of the season as a multi-race testing and development t program for 2015. Brilliant!

cool ! and I am italian anyway :)
And I felt just like you when someone else first suggested this somewhere.

Lets just hope, hope … I have confidence in change and change has finally taken place. But it will take time.

[windwaves]

They would not even let the car on track with a new chassis unless it was completely certified. Has to pass all crash testing & I'm not sure what else?

of course they would have to pass those tests, so what ? that is a requirement anyway.

[windwaves]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnlcVydIMAIVeKv.jpg:large

:-D

love the last one.

The FIA fiasco with these new engine and now trying to address it with more bs. Well done !

[windwaves]

sooooooo you must be really desperated to want Ferrari to cheat and win by cheating. GJ

no man, always within regulation. Nobody is talking about cheating that is Red Bull specialty.

[abbottcostello]

I miss the 2013 sound so much. And the cost... wow.

Truthfully, I'm getting used to the new sound, probably wouldn't think about it much if it weren't for the constant harping by all the broadcasters.
With twin turbos on the Indycars, I imagine they have separate exhaust pipes & are not regulated to prevent "exh. blowing" like F1, so have retained smaller diameter from turbo to outlet end. Also don't know about fuel use & fuel flow limits?
Those 4 things probably enhance their sound at least a bit. Too be honest didn't seem so great to my ear & were comparing a lot to the pre-season testing sounds, like the spitting & sputtering Torro Rosso.

[Nova]

The bugle on the merc looks ridiculous. Its almost like how Audi n bmw pipe in the sound of an engine thru their stereo speakers.
What I cant figure out is why???\\\\\

[abbottcostello]

The bugle on the merc looks ridiculous. Its almost like how Audi n bmw pipe in the sound of an engine thru their stereo speakers.
What I cant figure out is why???\\\\\

Now Renault is also concerned about the Mercs gaining performance from the trumpet!! Please, just make it go away & leave it as is. :lol


(Rob) "White told the Daily Mail he is not closing his ears to the calls for more noise, but there are paddock rumblings that Mercedes' rivals are sceptical the 'megaphone' exhaust might add performance to the German team's already-dominant car." Link (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns28015.html)

[Muhammad Ansib]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bnm64pwIAAEqXIG.jpg:large
http://i.imgur.com/cGXvl2K.jpg
:Hmm
http://i.imgur.com/GwpnFm3.jpg


Anyone on what these things are?

[wacc]

It is a sensor, it has been there in testing for many years. It is also visible on the car launch photos at the beginning of the seasons.
The inlet is for cooling.(edit: have to correct myself, it is probably not an inlet at all)

[Alessandra]

I think we should combine our ideas ... this grows ... maybe someone can add ...
And remember when you see it, where you heard it first!!!!


Yessss! Tomorrow the world!!!!

And whilst on that subject, can anyone tell me whether the v. useful little tip-offs I used to get emailed when there had been further contributions to a thread I’d previously visited has been stopped or have I somehow managed to curtail it with my usual technological genius?
I’ve tried asking from my profile page but answer comes there none.

[Kyss4k]

Truthfully, I'm getting used to the new sound, probably wouldn't think about it much if it weren't for the constant harping by all the broadcasters.
With twin turbos on the Indycars, I imagine they have separate exhaust pipes & are not regulated to prevent "exh. blowing" like F1, so have retained smaller diameter from turbo to outlet end. Also don't know about fuel use & fuel flow limits?
Those 4 things probably enhance their sound at least a bit. Too be honest didn't seem so great to my ear & were comparing a lot to the pre-season testing sounds, like the spitting & sputtering Torro Rosso.

I'm getting used to it as well, but then I play some video with V8 - V6 comparison... no competition there. And those V8s were already nothing compared to the V10s.

[WS6TransAm01]

how about screw the engine freeze, get DQ if so it must be, or grid penalties, yet get to test some new engine and chassis. Lets show some balls to these FIA cretins. The F14T seems to be a total fail, like every bits and piece on the car is poorly conceived.

I mean, I don't have the solution, but something fairly drastic I suspect is what is needed otherwise it will be another 2 decades before we win again ! And one was enough !!!


I don't often agree with people from NYC, but when I do...It is because they are spot on. It would be a great idea to run the remainder of the season as a multi-race testing and development t program for 2015. Brilliant!


I'm getting used to it as well, but then I play some video with V8 - V6 comparison... no competition there. And those V8s were already nothing compared to the V10s.

You can agree with people from NJ now as well. I said this in the development thread about a month ago... Clearly this season has gone tits up, might as well use every race as a test session. Pit 10 times to change wings apply flow-viz and so on... you get the idea...

[Nero Horse]

PitLaneTalk ‏@pitlanetalk

Nico Rosberg admits trumpet exhaust didn't improve sound. The idea will likely be abandoned #F1 #Formula1

[Winter]

I think that ridiculous thing at back of Mercedes was some kind of statement from them. They never planned to keep it, I think.

[windwaves]

You can agree with people from NJ now as well. I said this in the development thread about a month ago... Clearly this season has gone tits up, might as well use every race as a test session. Pit 10 times to change wings apply flow-viz and so on... you get the idea...

indeed, then it must be you the one ! I knew I had read it somewhere and found it a frigging great idea ! I suspect Ferrari thought about it too - hope so.

[abbottcostello]

I think that ridiculous thing at back of Mercedes was some kind of statement from them. They never planned to keep it, I think.
merc just wanted to serenade the other 10 teams while they did their testing! You've heard the old saying of blowing your own horn. Poor form by merc?

Ferrari needs to find their secret advantage!!! SOON:furious

[Ed Harley]

I think that ridiculous thing at back of Mercedes was some kind of statement from them. They never planned to keep it, I think.
Here are news about it:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113829 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113829)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113947

[Winter]

Here are news about it:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113829 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113829)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113947

They just want to keep things just the way they are and made that "thing" to make fans agree ;-) It didn't improve the sound, but made the car look like something ripped out from a cartoon :lol

[abbottcostello]

I've read that the live, in person sound is still ok, only doesn't make your ears bleed or cause permanent hearing loss. Anybody that can confirm that?

They need some of the sound capture things like we see (or used to in the past) for American NFL football games, so they could capture the sound of hitting & I guess players grunting or groaning! It looked like a clear plexiglas satellite dish with a microphone in the middle, that they pointed at the players. It basically concentrated low sounds so the mic would pick it up.

A few of those things at different places around the track couldn't hurt the experience & a lot less embarrassing for F1 in general!

[ALO]

They use parabolic microphones in MLB, NFL..etc

[abbottcostello]

They use parabolic microphones in MLB, NFL..etc
There you go, that's what I was trying to think of, thanks! :thumb (wasn't sure if I had seen them lately, but haven't really been looking)

Seems as they could try a few things like that for the broadcasts without a whole lot of trouble. I have a funny feeling Mercedes fitted that ridiculous trombone knowing full well everyone would laugh at it & maybe just drop the harping about bad sound. Suspicious that Lauda said F1 sounds fine, then they are the one to come up with a "solution"?
:Hmm

[JMCARC1]

I've read that the live, in person sound is still ok, only doesn't make your ears bleed or cause permanent hearing loss. Anybody that can confirm that?

They need some of the sound capture things like we see (or used to in the past) for American NFL football games, so they could capture the sound of hitting & I guess players grunting or groaning! It looked like a clear plexiglas satellite dish with a microphone in the middle, that they pointed at the players. It basically concentrated low sounds so the mic would pick it up.

A few of those things at different places around the track couldn't hurt the experience & a lot less embarrassing for F1 in general!

Yes, the sound live at Barcelona was very nice, only different and lower that the one from the V8s. The V8s are screamers and the V6s have different kinds of sound. Over there, I understand those who complain and those who don't!

I was able to see all the race without ear plugs! :-)

João

[abbottcostello]

My son is going to Hockenheim in July for the German GP. Will be good to get some feedback from him as he misses the sound of the V8's. I remember Ferrari were running the flat 12 at the first races I went to at Watkins Glen (US GP), they were glorious as I recall, but times do change! I would not be surprised if these engines get to sound a little better in 2015, I have faith in the engineers in F1 & think improving this will be in their minds.

[Kiwi Nick]

I cannot imagine that a single engineer at Mercedes, Renault or Ferrari spend one second thinking about how to make the engines sound better. At least I hope that nobody at Ferrari is doing that, although they did waste time on the pit rig from space. Thinking of ways to improve the sound is for nutballs like Charlie Whiting.

[Greig]

Apart from Mercedes engineers coming up with the new exhaust they tested in Spain, then no probably not.

[ritsukka]

Unbelievable.This forum is working just like Italian mafia! How come conversation about favoring Alonso is locked when there has been lots of new information about the radio messages of Alonso and Raikkonen. Seems to me that it's not allowed to say anything that could be bad to Alonso's reputation.why don't you change the name of this forum to Alonso forum. I'm out from here.

[Greig]

:wave

[Suzie]

Unbelievable.This forum is working just like Italian mafia! How come conversation about favoring Alonso is locked when there has been lots of new information about the radio messages of Alonso and Raikkonen. Seems to me that it's not allowed to say anything that could be bad to Alonso's reputation.why don't you change the name of this forum to Alonso forum. I'm out from here.

Because there was already discussion about it in the race thread and a topic about that is only going to end one way - with arguments and an eventual locking of the thread.

Trust me, it wasn't locked by me because I favour Alonso. I don't like either of them and am pretty happy to see problems arising quite honestly :-D

[AfterLife]

Because there was already discussion about it in the race thread and a topic about that is only going to end one way - with arguments and an eventual locking of the thread.

Trust me, it wasn't locked by me because I favour Alonso. I don't like either of them and am pretty happy to see problems arising quite honestly :-D

Talking about Mafia, based on your happiness, Surely you are from Barzini family :Hmm

[Suzie]

Talking about Mafia, based on your happiness, Surely you are from Barzini family :Hmm

:lol

[diesel08]

Unbelievable.This forum is working just like Italian mafia! How come conversation about favoring Alonso is locked when there has been lots of new information about the radio messages of Alonso and Raikkonen. Seems to me that it's not allowed to say anything that could be bad to Alonso's reputation.why don't you change the name of this forum to Alonso forum. I'm out from here.

bye bye!

[bonzo]

Unbelievable.This forum is working just like Italian mafia! How come conversation about favoring Alonso is locked when there has been lots of new information about the radio messages of Alonso and Raikkonen. Seems to me that it's not allowed to say anything that could be bad to Alonso's reputation.why don't you change the name of this forum to Alonso forum. I'm out from here.
Come back, babe, come back!

[zike]

Unbelievable.This forum is working just like Italian mafia! How come conversation about favoring Alonso is locked when there has been lots of new information about the radio messages of Alonso and Raikkonen. Seems to me that it's not allowed to say anything that could be bad to Alonso's reputation.why don't you change the name of this forum to Alonso forum. I'm out from here.

eee....che cazzo vuoi :-D:-D

[Kiwi Nick]

eee....che cazzo vuoi :-D:-D

Vad fan du vill?