Canadian GP 2014 - Friday and Saturday Practice Thread

[Nero Horse]

Here we go... let's see what's new and where we are. Hoping for dry weather and trouble-free FP sessions for us.

:ferrarifl

[Hornet]

Here we go.

http://www.vipboxasia.co/motorsports/95559/1/skysports-f1-:-skyf1-live-stream-online.html

Aero paint on Kimi's rear wing, and Alonso's sidepod floor

[gjoko-mkd]

:wave

[mizf1]

Kimi's car looked a handful

[PadGeT]

What was Kimi asking? I didn't get it cause my stream went bonkers...

[mizf1]

Kimi said he can hear knocking noise

[andone89]

3rd time for Alonso :) if this gap stays then we have made clear progress but it doesn`t then no progress has been made.

[FerrariF60]

Kimi said he can hear knocking noise

knocking noise is deff, NOT good...and if it looks like a "handful" to drive....it's gonna be a LONG weekend ahead of us

[F430]

too lean a fuel mixture??


Kimi said he can hear knocking noise

[mizf1]

Vergne is 4th not too far from Alonso, looks like the secret test is paying off ;-)

[elnano98]

Lost power in a straight line
They heard some knocking

[Hornet]

Vergne is 4th not too far from Alonso, looks like the secret test is paying off ;-)

Apparently the dyno test is allowed.

I hope we're doing the same.

[sachin]

Definitely Kimi is struggling,he had to make steering correction after every corner.

[JacKy]

No Ferrari onboard footage yet but so far:

http://i.imgur.com/qTD9jAw.jpg

[mizf1]

Apparently the dyno test is allowed.

I hope we're doing the same.

They had no front and rear wing, also no forced air(wind tunnel) so classed as bench testing

[RedRebel40]

^awesome speed of the Mercedes. Anyone know all the speeds at the moment?

[JacKy]

^awesome speed of the Mercedes. Anyone know all the speeds at the moment?

I'm gonna add as soon as i get onboard footages.

[fronaldo]

324 km/h for Alonso..333 km/h for Rosberg and 330km/h for Massa

[Hornet]

Vettel's onboard looks very smooth, little steering movement during acceleration out of corners. Our onboard in comparison, the car looks handful under acceleration

[Majki2111]

Mercedes not usin 8 gear. Will they ever use it this season?

[SinanOzerS]

Nothing really changed.

[Mimo966]

Wow Alonso flying? That's really encouraging. Let's see.

[Hornet]

Would love to see some onboard from Alonso. Not bad his time, if these times is indicative of the actually pace of course

[NyX]

Nothing really changed.
alonso being 0.1 sec slower... nothing changed.

rly?

[JacKy]

Wow alonso looks good.

Recorded on Alonso's Fast Lap 1.17.911- After this lap Alo lapped 1.17.375..

http://i.imgur.com/7fhb44t.jpg

[gjoko-mkd]

We are much better then last races

[windwaves]

this is hopeful so far … I know it is early. But, the big but remains once more, what is up with kimi ?

[SinanOzerS]

Kimi still have some big problems with brake-by-wire system.

[windwaves]

Alonso improves yet again to first.

[gjoko-mkd]

Alonso at top

[Rishu]

I am really optimistic this weekend

[mizf1]

Alonso p1

[dfunk257]

Wow, P1. Very good early signs :-)

[sachin]

Are options allowed in FP2. ;)
Alonso gets so much out of with a car which is so twitchy,wonder how it will be nice and planted
Maybe good old Alo in Ferrari vs Ham in a Merc.:clap

[SinanOzerS]

I think i can see some drizzle.

[Majki2111]

Mercedes NOT using 8gear

[mizf1]

I know its practice but still Encouraging.

[Mimo966]

Hamilton getting sressed finally lol.

[tifosi1993]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1406ju72.jpg

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1406ju68.jpg

via Sutton

[JacKy]

Yihaaaa!! I even miss being top on free practice...

http://i.imgur.com/GLNRBOX.jpg

[Kristof_F40]

According to BBC Fernando is driving with a new floor, Kimi will be driving with it this afternoon, hope it will be dry

[F1NAC]

Wow, P1. Very good early signs :-)

Nothing new, we already several races were on P1 in FP1. It will be good if we can match RB this race

[windwaves]

are you sure we were first in previous FP1s this season ?

[JacKy]

are you sure we were first in previous FP1s this season ?

Not sure.. But i remember that Merc were dominating even FP at first races..

[Alonso14]

Here we go.

http://www.vipboxasia.co/motorsports/95559/1/skysports-f1-:-skyf1-live-stream-online.html

Aero paint on Kimi's rear wing, and Alonso's sidepod floor

http://squirrelstreams.com/?p=74

I believe that's better quality.


Wow, P1. Very good early signs :-)

It's not the first time we've lead a FP session this year so let's wait until Q :)

[Kristof_F40]

I don' think this is completely representative, I assume that Fernando did a "qualy" lap, because in the afternoon Kimi will get the new floor according to BBC.. I'm not sure, but I think that explains thing perhaps?

[SinanOzerS]

I don' think this is completely representative, I assume that Fernando did a "qualy" lap, because in the afternoon Kimi will get the new floor according to BBC.. I'm not sure, but I think that explains thing perhaps?

It wasn't a "qualy" lap, he did actually three consecutive flying lap and the last one is fastest.

[JacKy]

I don' think this is completely representative, I assume that Fernando did a "qualy" lap, because in the afternoon Kimi will get the new floor according to BBC.. I'm not sure, but I think that explains thing perhaps?

Its not qualy lap i think. Alonso set the best time on his 14th lap that tyres. Car still struggling at turn exit, but not that much if i compare to monaco or spain.

[Kristof_F40]

It wasn't a "qualy" lap, he did actually three consecutive flying lap and the last one is fastest.

What I meant was that he did a faster run, with less fuel compared to others.. And yeah, we haven't seen that, have we? That drivers are building up speed in qualy, so their real fast laps isn't their first? Do you really think we are faster than Merc than??

[Kristof_F40]

Its not qualy lap i think. Alonso set the best time on his 14th lap that tyres. Car still struggling at turn exit, but not that much if i compare to monaco or spain.

True, but when HAM was going purple in S1 and S2 and messed up in S3 he didn't win that much on Fernando, but he was pushing, so that would mean we are very close. I'm not pessimistic but it's unreal that we would have made up 1s, or even more, ergo, we were perhaps a bit lighter fueled.. trying a bit more to find pure speed, because floor is changing so Fer can't do that in P2.. that was just what i was thinking

[SinanOzerS]

What I meant was that he did a faster run, with less fuel compared to others.. And yeah, we haven't seen that, have we? That drivers are building up speed in qualy, so their real fast laps isn't their first? Do you really think we are faster than Merc than??

I didn't say anything like "we are faster than Merc" or some. I just saying these lap times wasn't a qualifying sim.

[sachin]

FP2 gonna be intresting,hopefully we are really close and no rain.

[Kristof_F40]

I didn't say anything like "we are faster than Merc" or some. I just saying these lap times wasn't a qualifying sim.

And I never said Fer was doing a qualifying sim

[JacKy]

True, but when HAM was going purple in S1 and S2 and messed up in S3 he didn't win that much on Fernando, but he was pushing, so that would mean we are very close. I'm not pessimistic but it's unreal that we would have made up 1s, or even more, ergo, we were perhaps a bit lighter fueled.. trying a bit more to find pure speed, because floor is changing so Fer can't do that in P2.. that was just what i was thinking

Yes he messed up in sector 3 but let me tell you that how fast that purple sector were :

S1 => ALO : 21.569 - S2 => ALO : 25.060
S1 => HAM : 21.511 - S2 => HAM : 24.982

So yes we're not faster than Mercedes but i think we are pretty close to them.. Anyway we will see all cards in Q3...

[Majki2111]

Mercedes NOT USING 8 gear!

[Kingdom Hearts]

We run all the time with low fuel on friday, but being first and so far from other Mercedes engine teams and RB, probably is a sign that some updates worked. Let's wait and see, it will be a dream if we are the second best team here, we have to be realistic.

[Alonsomaniac]

Whatever it was, FA was in P1. He can't do better than that, so we just have to wait how the car holds up in the next sessions.

[JacKy]

Mercedes NOT USING 8 gear!

Yeah they probably hiding that gear for Monza and maybe Spa. After that races they may change gear ratio for better acceleration.

[f300v10]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1406ju72.jpg

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1406ju68.jpg

via Sutton

Alonso with new sidepods and engine cover. The sidepods exhaust now goes further aft and includes the rear suspension.

[F1NAC]

are you sure we were first in previous FP1s this season ?
Australia, and China Fernando P1, very close was Kimi in Bahrain FP1 only 3 tenths away and what happened.

[PadGeT]

Thats some slim RW on Kimi's car!!

[Hornet]

http://squirrelstreams.com/?p=74
I believe that's better quality.


Thanks. Indeed it is :thumb

[Kristof_F40]

Yes he messed up in sector 3 but let me tell you that how fast that purple sector were :

S1 => ALO : 21.569 - S2 => ALO : 25.060
S1 => HAM : 21.511 - S2 => HAM : 24.982

So yes we're not faster than Mercedes but i think we are pretty close to them.. Anyway we will see all cards in Q3...

That's what I said, if he would have messed it up, he woudl have been faster but only 0,2s or so.. So we would have won a good second on Mercedes, which I think is unrealistic, but for sure we have improved, that's why I was think that we ran lighter fuel than Merc.

[PadGeT]

but for sure we have improved, that's why I was think that we ran lighter fuel than Merc.
I don't know but it seems to me that you are contradicting your own statements.

[NickEice]

I think it is pretty obvious we have improved. I'd say we have improved the car 0.7-0.8 and gained about 0.5 on Mercs.

Just my guess from looking at times, but the Mercs were pushing today and making mistakes. Makes me think they were closer to the limit and sandbagging a lot less than they have been in previous practice sessions when it looked like they were out on a totally different and more relaxed program than everyone else.

[Kristof_F40]

I don't know but it seems to me that you are contradicting your own statements.

Perhaps you should start reading full sentences

[PadGeT]

I did, but particularly that part struck me most peculiar.

[Senna4Ever]

in the last few laps right before the end of the session the car looked very unstable ... did they tried some changes and how the car is acting then ...

[NickEice]

in the last few laps right before the end of the session the car looked very unstable ... did they tried some changes and how the car is acting then ...

I think the track was damp, that is what it looked like from streaming on my phone though.

[Kristof_F40]

I did, but particularly that part struck me most peculiar.

What I was saying was this: 1) I think we have improved 2) we haven't improved as much "as the times tell us"

My reasoning was this: Fer did his fast lap, and a bit later HAM tried to go faster, he did purple in S1 and S2 but messed up in S3 so he didn't go faster. 2 things from this: he was pushing (which is good for us) and if he wouldn't have messed it up he would only be 0,2s faster than Fer. If we would assume that HAM and ALO were on the same kind of program, we woudl conclude that we are 0,2s behind Merc and therefore we have gained 1s over Merc. Personnaly I don't think this is possible, so if we haven't gained that second in pure pace, than probably we were lighter fueld. Perhaps we had 0,3s more of fuel or something, so if HAM would have finished the lap without mistakes, Fer would have been 0,5s behind him.

So that's why I was saying that we were on lighter fuel than Merc, but still, Fer showed good speed, the question is, what about the other team. If you look at the times its quite close.. Would be good if we are 2nd best team here..

[Kiwi Nick]

It would appear that Ferrari have a new floor, new side pods and a very shallow new rear wing. Added to the reported PU upgrades that is quite a lot of new stuff. I suspect that the shallow rear wing on Kimi's car is just for Canada and a couple of other tracks. But the floor in particular, and side pods should be basic upgrades. It will be interesting to see if they send Kimi out with all three upgrades this afternoon.

It looks like the last chance for any rain has passed and the sun may even peek out before the end of FP2.

[ntukza]

Some of you are unbelievable.

1) Nobody on here said or believes from FP1 that we are now faster than Merc, so can the pessimists who are stressing that point rather keep quiet and let those who are happy at the signs of progress continue to be happy?!

2) As for those who are pointing out that we've topped FP1 before, would you rather we finish FP1 fourth or even tenth then? I don't get it, what's your point? If your point is to say that topping FP1 does not mean we are now faster than Merc then, again, nobody said that. Yes, practice times mean very little, but topping practice is better than not topping practice as far as I'm concerned, and at the very least it suggests that something is going according to plan. Nobody here is stupid (I hope). Gosh!

[tifosi1993]

http://i.imgur.com/o2tP0pj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4Y6WNIL.jpg

via Sutton

[tifosi1993]

http://i.imgur.com/uHzt0dB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oFzX2e1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HtVBb9m.jpg

via Sutton

[Hornet]

Looks like we've done some tidying up of the rear section :thumb

[stefa]

Looks like we've done some tidying up of the rear section :thumb

Is it narrower?

[SinanOzerS]

Is it narrower?

I think it's slimmer.

[Hornet]

Is it narrower?

The area around the exhaust looks like it wraps around the exhaust tighter than in the past. The radiator outlet also looks like it's lower now, and extend further behind similar to Red Bull

[F1NAC]

bodywork around exhaust is slimmer

[stefa]

bodywork around exhaust is slimmer

It looks tidier....

[PadGeT]

Regarding the bald man on pitwall-
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114304

[sachin]

Alonso definitely is the 3rd fastest man.

[SinanOzerS]

Half a second in this circuit is not a small gap.

[fronaldo]

Last sector lost about 0.3s

[Kyss4k]

Nice to see our guys "up infront" even when it's still over half a second behind Mercs.

[Nero Horse]

3rd and 4th at the moment...looking pretty good! :-)

The updates have definitely brought us closer to the top.

[Mimo966]

Am i right if i say that we have done the least laps than others in this fp. I think we haven't pushed 100% our cars. And now we have long runs zzzzz. Can't wait for tommorow's action.

edit: Did they bring the new fuel mentioned in previous posts?

[SinanOzerS]

Am i right if i say that we have done the least laps than others in this fp. I think we haven't pushed 100% our cars. And now we have long runs zzzzz. Can't wait for tommorow's action.

You're way too optimistic to be a Ferrari fan :lol

[LivingHitokiri]

Am i right if i say that we have done the least laps than others in this fp. I think we haven't pushed 100% our cars. And now we have long runs zzzzz. Can't wait for tommorow's action.

Kimi did 17
Fernando did 13

The fewer laps were done by Vettel at 11

[LivingHitokiri]

Wow , our race pace looks really good so far, im actually surprised.

[Mimo966]

Yeah indeed its in my character generally, maybe that flash from fp1 was too much promising for me. But hope dies last anyway.

[fronaldo]

Vettel 3rd now

[Hornet]

Vettel 3rd now

Not surprising, considering how well his car looks from the on board video.

[sachin]

Pettel:furious

[Nero Horse]

Vettel 3rd now

http://www.i2clipart.com/cliparts/1/5/f/6/clipart-angry-smiley-emoticon-15f6.png

[Kyss4k]

Alonso even managed to overtake McLaren with both having DRS open. Cool I guess? :)

[LivingHitokiri]

I honestly believe that Vettels 3rd is not as problem for us, our pace race on soft is beast!

I cannot believe that our car changed that much in so little time, or maybe the track suits us much more than others and we dont get the clear picture but, im glad to see we are making progress.

[NickEice]

How late did Vettel set that fast time? Others already moved to long runs. Surely the track has evolved between the earlier fast laps and Vettel's

[FerrariF60]

I honestly believe that Vettels 3rd is not as problem for us, our pace race on soft is beast!

I cannot believe that our car changed that much in so little time, or maybe the track suits us much more than others and we dont get the clear picture but, im glad to see we are making progress.

yeah me neither...hopefully there is more to come this season from us...i think we're getting to see the talent of James Allison here...that guy is a genious, no wander Ferrari couldnt' wait to get him over at FERRARI

but as far as beating the Merc's this season, i dont' think we have a chance...

[Nero Horse]

How late did Vettel set that fast time? Others already moved to long runs. Surely the track has evolved between the earlier fast laps and Vettel's

:goodpoint

[paneristi]

FP2 result
1. Ham (1:16.1xx)
2. Ros (1:16.2xx)
3. Vet (1.16.4xx)
4. Rai (1.16.5xx)
5. Alo (1.16.6xx)

[LivingHitokiri]

How late did Vettel set that fast time? Others already moved to long runs. Surely the track has evolved between the earlier fast laps and Vettel's
Vettel did his faster lap around 20 minutes after ours, so, yeah, that absolutely helped him.


yeah me neither...hopefully there is more to come this season from us...i think we're getting to see the talent of James Allison here...that guy is a genious, no wander Ferrari couldnt' wait to get him over at FERRARI

but as far as beating the Merc's this season, i dont' think we have a chance...
I have been reading around that this performance is purely based on the new floor we got in here so thats impressive if its true.
I also saw that we got much improved straight speed now which is good. For sure we aren't match for Mercs yet or ever this season but if the car is close im sure our drivers can make the win/s happen !

[Kyss4k]

Vettel did his faster lap around 20 minutes after ours, so, yeah, that absolutely helped him.


I have been reading around that this performance is purely based on the new floor we got in here so thats impressive if its true.
I also saw that we got much improved straight speed now which is good. For sure we aren't match for Mercs yet or ever this season but if the car is close im sure our drivers can make the win/s happen !

Actually looking at this: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2014/922/7349/speed_trap.html it doesn't look really that good.

[LivingHitokiri]

Actually looking at this: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2014/922/7349/speed_trap.html it doesn't look really that good.

I guess i got deceived by our times then, did our aero improved that much and we are winning on the corners? That would be surprising.

[LivingHitokiri]

Dunno about you guys for some reason im really excited and got good feeling about this race.

[Forzi]

Dunno about you guys for some reason im really excited and got good feeling about this race.

Likewise. Do think we are looking good.

[PadGeT]

I mean seriously does Sky have something against Ferrari?

[Icon]

Lap time Comparison

Raikkonen
(SOFT)
1:21.0
1:20.6
1:20.4
1:20.0
1:20.2
1:20.9
1:20.3
1:20.3
PIT
(SUPER SOFT)
1:20.4

Alonso
(SUPER SOFT)
1:20.6
1:21.4
1:20.6
1:21.3
1:21.2
1:22.9 (Traffic caused by Lotus)
1:20.9
PIT
(SOFT)
1:20.9
1:21.0

looks like soft tire may be the better choice for the race.

[Kyss4k]

Lap time Comparison

Raikkonen
(SOFT)
1:21.0
1:20.6
1:20.4
1:20.0
1:20.2
1:20.9
1:20.3
1:20.3
PIT
(SUPER SOFT)
1:20.4

Alonso
(SUPER SOFT)
1:20.6
1:21.4
1:20.6
1:21.3
1:21.2
1:22.9 (Traffic caused by Lotus)
1:20.9
PIT
(SOFT)
1:20.9
1:21.0

looks like soft tire may be the better choice for the race.

Well, Alonso's times are not really representative as he was stuck in a huge queue of cars for like 80% of his stint. But from what we can see from Kimi, it doesn't look too bad.

[Nero Horse]

I mean seriously does Sky have something against Ferrari?

Yes. They're all Ham and Merc fanboys over there, especially that Crofty character. They only say something about Ferrari when it's negative, but yap about Merc, Macca and RB every chance they get. I only watch Sky F1 broadcasts because I have no other choice at the moment.

[PURE PASSION]

i have a feeling that we didnt go for the ultimate lap because if you see ros did the first 2 laps with ss in 16:8xx and 16:7xx and then he did the 16:2xx . Alo and Rai did 1 try and if they stayed out and push for 2-3 laps probably they whould have being much closer to Mercs!!!

[gjoko-mkd]

1 19 Felipe Massa 15:12:39 333.8
2 77 Valtteri Bottas 15:13:16 331.7
3 27 Nico Hulkenberg 14:08:12 330.2
4 25 Jean-Eric Vergne 14:12:40 329.0
5 20 Kevin Magnussen 14:11:34 328.8
6 21 Esteban Gutierrez 14:12:47 328.7
7 22 Jenson Button 14:30:21 327.9
8 1 Sebastian Vettel 15:26:45 327.6
9 6 Nico Rosberg 15:03:54 327.1
10 44 Lewis Hamilton 14:12:50 326.5
11 14 Fernando Alonso 15:11:43 326.2
12 7 Kimi Räikkönen 14:51:18 325.0
13 11 Sergio Perez 14:16:10 324.6
14 4 Max Chilton 14:09:06 324.2
15 99 Adrian Sutil 14:13:04 324.0
16 9 Marcus Ericsson 14:06:47 322.7
17 10 Kamui Kobayashi 14:57:27 320.5
18 13 Pastor Maldonado 14:51:05 320.3
19 26 Daniil Kvyat 14:06:15 319.8
20 8 Romain Grosjean 14:46:29 318.7
21 3 Daniel Ricciardo 14:21:22 317.9
22 17 Jules Bianchi 14:14:08 304.0

[PadGeT]

1 19 Felipe Massa 15:12:39 333.8
2 77 Valtteri Bottas 15:13:16 331.7
3 27 Nico Hulkenberg 14:08:12 330.2
4 25 Jean-Eric Vergne 14:12:40 329.0
5 20 Kevin Magnussen 14:11:34 328.8
6 21 Esteban Gutierrez 14:12:47 328.7
7 22 Jenson Button 14:30:21 327.9
8 1 Sebastian Vettel 15:26:45 327.6
9 6 Nico Rosberg 15:03:54 327.1
10 44 Lewis Hamilton 14:12:50 326.5
11 14 Fernando Alonso 15:11:43 326.2
12 7 Kimi Räikkönen 14:51:18 325.0
13 11 Sergio Perez 14:16:10 324.6
14 4 Max Chilton 14:09:06 324.2
15 99 Adrian Sutil 14:13:04 324.0
16 9 Marcus Ericsson 14:06:47 322.7
17 10 Kamui Kobayashi 14:57:27 320.5
18 13 Pastor Maldonado 14:51:05 320.3
19 26 Daniil Kvyat 14:06:15 319.8
20 8 Romain Grosjean 14:46:29 318.7
21 3 Daniel Ricciardo 14:21:22 317.9
22 17 Jules Bianchi 14:14:08 304.0

Lol, even Vettel is faster than us on straights.

[NickEice]

I guess i got deceived by our times then, did our aero improved that much and we are winning on the corners? That would be surprising.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Montreal doesn't have any real "aero dependent" corners. Most chicanes and hard breaking. That would lead me to believe that we improved traction and braking quite significantly rather than true aero performance.

[Alonsomaniac]

So far I'm not unhappy at all. Let's see what qualy brings us.:-)

[Kiwi Nick]

The speed trap numbers look pretty good. It means Ferrari can trim some down force before quali. Perhaps they will run the shallow rear wing with the new floor and side pods.

[gjoko-mkd]

BBC's Andrew Benson "Ferrari appear to be the second fastest team - they have taken a package of upgrades to Canada, including aerodynamic revisions among which are a new floor and engine performance improvements.The two drivers shared the development work. Alonso ran the new floor in the first session, when he was 1.34secs clear of Raikkonen, before it was switched to the Finn's car for a comparison in the second session, when Alonso ran an older design."

[PadGeT]

Its too early.
Don't discount RB boys .

[Winter]

Its too early.
Don't discount RB boys .


It will be close one with those RedBull guys I guess, but that wouldn't be a disappointment to me.

[PadGeT]

Interestingly, Raikkonen’s engineer David Lloyd believed that the Mercedes were running light fuel loads.

[gjoko-mkd]

Sky Italy showed two massive Ferrari boxes arriving in the paddock when free practice was already on.

http://i59.tinypic.com/e7m2rm.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/2wqzps4.jpg

[NickEice]

Shell fuel?

[PadGeT]

I don't think so.

[PadGeT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C8n-1682x4

[Nero Horse]

Shell fuel?

Doubt that fuel would be transported in such boxes. Most likely they contain some parts of the car's bodywork.....whatever is in there hopefully it'll make us go faster.

[impactX]

Looks like floor.

[tifosi1993]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1406ju730.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1406ju432.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dpl1406ju144.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dpl1406ju190.jpg

via Sutton

[R Ginart]

QUALY will bring this: Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat!!!! P5 and 5th place race finish.
So far I'm not unhappy at all. Let's see what qualy brings us.:-)

[13njb]

QUALY will bring this: Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat!!!! P5 and 5th place race finish.

Come on, I'm full of hope hearing and reading about some good upgrades we have brought here. Plus I'm back, that will do the trick for a win this week-end :-D

[ManFromMilan]

Just remember that Saturdays, after FP1&2's data have been worked through, we have always been better. This can and probably will be a very good weekend for us.

[fratelliferrari]

Nice photos tifosi1993!

[Rob]

Looks like floor.

;-)

[bondilad]

It seems we only improved 0.5 sec from softs to SS where as merc gained over a second. Could this mean we ran higher fuel than P1 ? Whatever it is, we are in for a good weekend:-D

[alonsonum1]

Hey guys think we are lookin quite strong this weekend. Hard to judge so far as it is only practice but the team just seem a lot more confident. Hope this gets converted into strong results!!

If anybody here hasnt already done so please vote for me. Have a quick read of the thread - I need your help tifosi!

We here are all Ferrari fans and stick together. I just need votes to help me win :)

Thanks again ... forza ferrari !!

http://50.silverstone.co.uk/post/20997/


Cheers ;)) xx

[gjoko-mkd]

It seems we only improved 0.5 sec from softs to SS where as merc gained over a second. Could this mean we ran higher fuel than P1 ? Whatever it is, we are in for a good weekend:-D


hanibal lecter @lecterhanibal · 14h
Buenas noticias desde Canadá. Alo (20kg más esta sesión ) puede estar justo detrás de los Mercedes. Ojo a Williams. Redbull tb fuerte


Good news from Canada. Alonso (20kg more in this session), he can be just behind Mercedes. Beware of Williams. RedBull also strong.
;-)

[ntukza]

... Plus I'm back, that will do the trick for a win this week-end :-D
Were you banned?

[radosav]

hanibal lecter @lecterhanibal · 14h
Buenas noticias desde Canadá. Alo (20kg más esta sesión ) puede estar justo detrás de los Mercedes. Ojo a Williams. Redbull tb fuerte


Good news from Canada. Alonso (20kg more in this session), he can be just behind Mercedes. Beware of Williams. RedBull also strong.
;-)

What about Kimi ?

[PadGeT]

What about Kimi ?

:-ZZ

[fronaldo]

Both car using old engine cover..Hmm..:Hmm

[Hornet]

Alonso looks like he's using the old engine cover with larger exit around the exhaust. If anyone have pictures to confirm it later on...

[Kristof_F40]

Alonso looks like he's using the old engine cover with larger exit around the exhaust. If anyone have pictures to confirm it later on...

BBC reporting we are using old spec.. Seemed to me that new parts were working but yeah

[Hornet]

BBC reporting we are using old spec.. Seemed to me that new parts were working but yeah

Oh well :-s

[SinanOzerS]

That's horrible.

[Mimo966]

What is in this big box mentioned before? :P Red flag now.

[Kyss4k]

BBC reporting we are using old spec.. Seemed to me that new parts were working but yeah

Really? Neverending story...

[tifosi1993]

Both cars with updated aero & engine package + old engine cover (according to Fisichella)

[Kristof_F40]

Does anyone know wether we are using new floor or not?

[AfterLife]

Who is along Crofty in commentary box?

[gjoko-mkd]

from 1 second to a half second of Mercedes.Not too bad

[tifosi1993]

Who is along Crofty in commentary box?

Alexander Rossi.

[AfterLife]

Don't lose your hopes because of an engine cover. Engine cover is like Tshirt, you always change it :-D
We are quick. We are super quick. Well done to Ferrari guys. We have made an enormous step forward. Can't you see it!?
Well done Ferrari :bow

[Kyss4k]

Yeah...

[FerrariF60]

so the williams are up tehre in the mix with US....thats no good...
hopefully our boys will pull something better tomorrow...but the Merc's are in a WORLD of their OWN

[FerrariF60]

Lewis ONE second clear of our times....what a bummer, our updates dont' really work that good, NO??

[SinanOzerS]

1 second gap within a very short circuit. I'm sorry guys, i can't see any "big improvement".

[AfterLife]

Alexander Rossi.

Thank you

[SinanOzerS]

1.15:6 with softs ? Oh god.

[Mimo966]

I just cant get how they improve every lap for half a second! Like they add 200hp more every next lap haha.

[Kyss4k]

1.15:6 with softs ? Oh god.

They were just playing with us, as they do at every weekend.

[elnano98]

Hamilton's pace is awesome
Seem we are slower than yesterday

[LivingHitokiri]

We still dont know the fuel our boys had but yeah... Mercs are freaking insane.

[OSS EL BOSS]

Seems like some updates are not working as expected again.They are using the old engine cover and bodywork.

[FerrariF60]

1 second gap within a very short circuit. I'm sorry guys, i can't see any "big improvement".

make that almost TWO seconds now...we're in deep trouble, and as far as updates go...by the looks of it, NOT much has changed, and like you said on a track as short as this teh gap should have been smaller

[FerrariF60]

They were just playing with us, as they do at every weekend.

very true INDEED, that Merc is WAY too FAST this season....like i said, the merc's are on another planet

[elnano98]

Now RBR and Williams are faster than us
Super Soft, and still slower 1s than Hamilton

[DIEK]

Impressive time of Ham...but one failure in third practice season this year, with new & more complex cars, may be lost qualification season as result.

[AfterLife]

We are in good position.

[JacKy]

Gotta be kidding... +0.9 sec even we on ss merc on soft..

[FerrariF60]

Gotta be kidding... +0.9 sec even we on ss merc on soft..

and just wait, both Merc's have put on the super softs ON...brace youself for some more dissapointment

[FerrariF60]

i guess the Merc's having a BIGGER turbo then the ferrari, is the WAY to go...too bad we can't do anything about it this year...hopefully we'll have a HUgE turbo for next year when teh rules allows us to...LOL

[SinanOzerS]

It looks like supersoft tyres is not working properly.

[DIEK]

i guess the Merc's having a BIGGER turbo then the ferrari, is the WAY to go...too bad we can't do anything about it this year...hopefully we'll have a HUgE turbo for next year when teh rules allows us to...LOL

It's a shame (thanks FIA :furious) isn't allowed evolve the engine, in a motorsport like F1, in a year of great change of technicals rules, cars, engines...but well, rules are the same for all...or this I believe... :roll

[Kyss4k]

i guess the Merc's having a BIGGER turbo then the ferrari, is the WAY to go...too bad we can't do anything about it this year...hopefully we'll have a HUgE turbo for next year when teh rules allows us to...LOL

It's not about one thing. Just look how their car rides. It's on rails and that's not thanks to turbo. They are better at everything and are improving, while we are stripping our cars out of not working upgrades once again.

[windwaves]

we all are fans and so hope never goes away, but today I have to face reality and go back to my original assessment at the time of the pre-season tests. It will take a long time to dig ourselves out of the hole Domenicali put us in. Lets focus on 2015 and on.

[FerrariF60]

wow, the williams of Massa....four tenths off the Mercs....that is impressive from williams...so MUCH for our BIG upgrades...or should we call them downgrades again....LOL

[fronaldo]

WOW..Massa

[FerrariF60]

It's not about one thing. Just look how their car rides. It's on rails and that's not thanks to turbo. They are better at everything and are improving, while we are stripping our cars out of not working upgrades once again.

such a shame, we look like amateurs putting parts on and stripping them off...seems like we have correlation issues again...upgrades NOT working the way they should

[JacKy]

Mercs didnt set fastest lap on ss. Ham can go under 1.15.000 i think. Ferrari rbr and williams seem close

[LivingHitokiri]

its just FP 3 guys,i think our boys haven't showed full of our power, we had traffic and quite bit of fuel on our cars, lets see how qualifying goes.

[Rob]

please everyone "downgrades" is getting abit boring, and insulting to the team. :-ZZ:roll

As i have said many many times, you think you can do better, or got ideas for new parts, PM me and i will pass them on.:thumb


Williams, got Merc engine.


We, doing ok this weekend so far. Hotter weather, i think will hinder Merc, tomorrow (look at today) At the moment, in FP3, he just under 1 second behind, no idea on fuel loads etc etc etc, now thats a nice improvement. Better than 1.5 seconds, no?

[FranksterGM]

Bloody Massa, now he finds pace.
Retire and go home to Bwasiw.

[LivingHitokiri]

please everyone "downgrades" is getting abit boring, and insulting to the team. :-ZZ:roll

As i have said many many times, you think you can do better, or got ideas for new parts, PM me and i will pass them on.:thumb


Williams, got Merc engine.


We, doing ok this weekend so far. Hotter weather, i think will hinder Merc, tomorrow (look at today) At the moment, in FP3, he just under 1 second behind, no idea on fuel loads etc etc etc, now thats a nice improvement. Better than 1.5 seconds, no?

I think there is no doubt that our car is faster, all we need is qualifying and race to show them.
Like you said there are many things in practices that we do not know about so yeah we can probably go much faster.I have faith.

[FerrariF60]

its just FP 3 guys,i think our boys haven't showed full of our power, we had traffic and quite bit of fuel on our cars, lets see how qualifying goes.

we all are ferrari fans here and we want to be or are OPTIMISTIC, but let's face it we did improve a bit over the last race and the overall season, but NOT that much as i was expecting going into this weekend, especially after the BIG talk and comments by team engineers that we have a BIG update coming for this weekend...it seems the likes of Williams with a smaller budget did a better just

hope i'm wrong come quali in TWO hours and then i'll be forced to EAT ALL MY WORDS.....LOL

we'll see....Forza FERRARI

[FerrariF60]

please everyone "downgrades" is getting abit boring, and insulting to the team. :-ZZ:roll

As i have said many many times, you think you can do better, or got ideas for new parts, PM me and i will pass them on.:thumb


Williams, got Merc engine.


We, doing ok this weekend so far. Hotter weather, i think will hinder Merc, tomorrow (look at today) At the moment, in FP3, he just under 1 second behind, no idea on fuel loads etc etc etc, now thats a nice improvement. Better than 1.5 seconds, no?

WHO the ******** are you so that i'd have to PM you the ideas about updades that WOULD work on our cars...if i could i'd be PM'ing Ferrari themselves....LOLOLOL

[FerrariF60]

Bloody Massa, now he finds pace.
Retire and go home to Bwasiw.

well he did say that the updates Williams are bringing are working better than the updates his former team (which we all knwo who it was) used to bring and NOt always workign...

[Rob]

WHO the ******** are you so that i'd have to PM you the ideas about updades that WOULD work on our cars...if i could i'd be PM'ing Ferrari themselves....LOLOLOL

no need to swear at me and take kind of attitude. Just saying you all bang on how the updates havent worked etc etc, every race weeknd all the same comments, all the same running down the team.

All im saying, some people may know some people ok.

[Kingdom Hearts]

It looks like we could end up in 2nd row or even 4th row.

[FranksterGM]

well he did say that the updates Williams are bringing are working better than the updates his former team (which we all knwo who it was) used to bring and NOt always workign...

Funny how they used to work for his team mate, while Flip used to trundle around the midfield on a sunday drive.

[LivingHitokiri]

we all are ferrari fans here and we want to be or are OPTIMISTIC, but let's face it we did improve a bit over the last race and the overall season, but NOT that much as i was expecting going into this weekend, especially after the BIG talk and comments by team engineers that we have a BIG update coming for this weekend...it seems the likes of Williams with a smaller budget did a better just

hope i'm wrong come quali in TWO hours and then i'll be forced to EAT ALL MY WORDS.....LOL

we'll see....Forza FERRARI
Im not saying you're wrong about us being over optimistic , all im saying is that how we were faster in FP1 it meant nothing the same thing could be applied on this FP3 since we do not know what our boys were running with. Mercs showed that exactly ,even with SS they couldn't improve their times because probably they had more fuel ? different setup ? testing something ?

Im optimistic because i can see that our car is faster, in general,its the feeling i get from it. Fernando and Kimi are not pleased yet with he car's balance but for sure they get a better overall feeling from it.

[FerrariF60]

no need to swear at me and take kind of attitude. Just saying you all bang on how the updates havent worked etc etc, every race weeknd all the same comments, all the same running down the team.

All im saying, some people may know some people ok.

i'm not running down teh team...i LOVE Ferrari and been a FAN for LONG,LONG time...but as a FAN it's getting a bit OLD when ferrari promise BIG updates or package and then only "some" fo tehm work...

oh well, well see i guess how well they work coem time when it counts...Q3

Cheers mate and i'm sorry if i misbehaved on this forum

[FerrariF60]

Funny how they used to work for his team mate, while Flip used to trundle around the midfield on a sunday drive.

well we cannot compare teh TWO....massa was and will NEVER be a match for Alonso....alonso can deal with a NOt so competittive car adn extract 120% our of what he's got, whereas Felipe cannot....he needs a good car for him to shine....AMEN!!!

[FerrariF60]

Im not saying you're wrong about us being over optimistic , all im saying is that how we were faster in FP1 it meant nothing the same thing could be applied on this FP3 since we do not know what our boys were running with. Mercs showed that exactly ,even with SS they couldn't improve their times because probably they had more fuel ? different setup ? testing something ?

Im optimistic because i can see that our car is faster, in general,its the feeling i get from it. Fernando and Kimi are not pleased yet with he car's balance but for sure they get a better overall feeling from it.

the car may be faster, but it's still a HANDFULL to drive compared to teh Merc's which seem on RAILS and always have been all season so far

[PadGeT]

What's with the old engine cover? Anyone got a pic?

[LivingHitokiri]

the car may be faster, but it's still a HANDFULL to drive compared to teh Merc's which seem on RAILS and always have been all season so far
Very true, i doubt we will ever come close to Mercs this year but still, compared to the gap we had early this season it looks smaller.Let us also see how the reliability will play a role in this.

[Rosso Corsa]

Excited for quali. Second row might be possible.

[R Ginart]

Again: rinse, repeat: rinse repeat: P5 in QUALY: 5th place race finish. If FP 1, 2 & 3 are any indications here is what we should expect to see:::::
FP1= ahead by .016= after 70 laps in race a win by 1.12 secs, highly unlikely
FP2=behind by .583= after 70 laps in race behind the winner by 40.81 secs.
FP3=behind by .878= after 70 laps in race behind the winner by 61.46 secs.
QUALY??????

[Majki2111]

Why is F14t worse than this years Mercedes. Ferrari has people, Mercedes has people. Both of them have pretty good money. And it has been like this for pas 5 years but RBR.

[LivingHitokiri]

Again: rinse, repeat: rinse repeat: P5 in QUALY: 5th place race finish. If FP 1, 2 & 3 are any indications here is what we should expect to see:::::
FP1= ahead by .016= after 70 laps in race a win by 1.12 secs, highly unlikely
FP2=behind by .583= after 70 laps in race behind the winner by 40.81 secs.
FP3=behind by .878= after 70 laps in race behind the winner by 61.46 secs.
QUALY??????
Our race pace compared to mercs was actually very very good. definitely not as big as it is implied by qualifying pace. I mean, last year mercs had the fastest 1 lap car but they couldn't maintain such gap during race, for many reasons.

[Alessandra]

Looks like LH for pole. Maybe Massa second ? Doubt it.
It'll be a miracle if one of the Ferraris starts higher than 3rd row, but it 's gotta happen some time! :-)

[gjoko-mkd]

@tgruener: #F1 Ferrari running the old engine cover and floor for rest of Montreal weekend. New parts too risky with higher ambient temperatures.

[PadGeT]

Can anyone tell me if the sidepod exits are back to older version?
I didn't get to watch FP3.

[R Ginart]

Lets hope QUALY lessens the gap and the Ferraris are closer to pole. That will be a more accurate indication of how the race will turn out Sunday.
Our race pace compared to mercs was actually very very good. definitely not as big as it is implied by qualifying pace. I mean, last year mercs had the fastest 1 lap car but they couldn't maintain such gap during race, for many reasons.

[Lesky]

Why do people call Vettel for Pettel?

[zike]

Why??? they will burn on the sun??

[Hornet]

At this point I don't see any reason why we should play it safe. We won't be winning anything if we do not improve anyway, might as well take the risk and see where it gets us.

[Kristof_F40]

also reading that there might be a problem with the fuel sensor on Fer's car, therefore he gets less horsepower.. Don't know if it's true.. Perhaps new parts were harder on cooling, and it's going to be bloody hot tomorrow.. But if they aren't used because it's a risk with temp, it doesn't mean they aren't working, we just change to a high temp engine cover..

[Alonso14]

@tgruener: #F1 Ferrari running the old engine cover and floor for rest of Montreal weekend. New parts too risky with higher ambient temperatures.

I actually shed a tear while reading this.

So, so disappointing. I don't even have hopes and still get disappointed.

[Kingdom Hearts]

also reading that there might be a problem with the fuel sensor on Fer's car, therefore he gets less horsepower.. Don't know if it's true.. Perhaps new parts were harder on cooling, and it's going to be bloody hot tomorrow.. But if they aren't used because it's a risk with temp, it doesn't mean they aren't working, we just change to a high temp engine cover..

Sweet dreams from yesterday turn into nightmares today, sad :(

[FFFerrari]

Oh dear. This will hamper the hopes for a second row quali.

[Forzi]

We are probably the second fastest team and fighting RedBull. What the hell did you people expect??? I recall many claiming, that we wont probably be able to fight RedBull.

[AfterLife]

We can get second row easily. We have made a step forward. RedBull are not a threat. Williams are threat in qualifying but we will pass them easily in the race if they were faster in qualifying (The won't be:topdance).
Ferrari have made a huge step FORWARD.

[Dino]

Seems rear body cover and floor are working fine and both drivers like them,but we are nearing the warning limits on temperatures and the weather keeps getting hotter at the track.:furious

[Suzie]

Funny how they used to work for his team mate, while Flip used to trundle around the midfield on a sunday drive.

Why so bitter, faceache?

[FranksterGM]

Why so bitter, faceache?

No I don't have your affliction.

[DIEK]

Problems with fuel sensor for Alonso, the engine performance will be lower... :-s

[Dino]

We can get second row easily. We have made a step forward. RedBull are not a threat. Williams are threat in qualifying but we will pass them easily in the race if they were faster in qualifying (The won't be:topdance).
Ferrari have made a huge step FORWARD.

Sure...We will pass them easily with their 330+Kmh in the DRS zone!;-)

[mark p]

I actually shed a tear while reading this.

So, so disappointing. I don't even have hopes and still get disappointed.

If heat is an issue I can understand engine cover and outlets going back to old versions but why has the floor gone back to old? Shame as yesterday seems whoever had the new floor had a big jump relative to the other driver.

Could it be the new floor only works with the new cooling configuration. I can think of know other reason.

I just hope by the time they get it to work in higher temps 2 or 3 races have not passed others develop and it has no effect in relative performance. Sometimes I wish Ferrari would go a bit Las Vegas and just run with it and fingers crossed it does not blow. Even if it blew, racing at the front with pace then blowing would be more entertaining for me than a reliable 5th or worse never showing any great pace. It's not as if Ferrari are in a championship fight.

[Kyss4k]

We can get second row easily. We have made a step forward. RedBull are not a threat. Williams are threat in qualifying but we will pass them easily in the race if they were faster in qualifying (The won't be:topdance).
Ferrari have made a huge step FORWARD.

Sure, we have made huge step forward... even though the updates are not on the car, right? :roll

[mark p]

Sure, we have made huge step forward... even though the updates are not on the car, right? :roll

And look at the downturn in relevent pace. Should of ran them then if engine blows up you have scope to change part of engine design as a reliability issue. It may not blow. Just take the risk.

[windwaves]

great Rosberg !!!!

Ferrari, forget about it. Of course like FA said it is not that they can abandon the season, but they do need to focus on a new car. This one is just not there (and ugly as it can get :))

[windwaves]

RB is embarrassing us. How they worked with their car to get it back on track is just…well really no surprise given the last 4 years. Mattiacci we are in your hands, but it is impossible to do worse than your predecessor.

Williams fantastic. I admire their good work as well. Massa of course beaten by Bottas, doh !

[windwaves]

I predict Rosberg world champion ! that is because I know the future of course. No, it is because that is what I really wish and I do think he deserves it.

[PadGeT]

If heat is an issue I can understand engine cover and outlets going back to old versions but why has the floor gone back to old? .

I think its beacuse sidepod downwash affects the high pressure zone near rear tyre wake, so thereby affecting flow towards diffuser. The fatter rear bodywork and I presume the undercut below is indicative of how flow is being modified over the floor in comparison to slimmer overcut one.
Recent example in this regard was Coanda and how it led to changes in the floor.