Canadian GP 2014 Qualifying Thread

[LivingHitokiri]

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Despite us not using the new engine cover due to heat issues and "maybe" having problems with fuel sensors im still optimistic for this session!

Forza Ferrari :ferrarifl

[AfterLife]

We are the 2nd best team right now because of the upgrades that Ferrari have introduced :thumb. Looking forward to get second row in qualifying.
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[LivingHitokiri]

We are 2nd best team right now because of the upgrades that Ferrari have introduced :thumb. Looking forward to get second row in qualifying.
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Well, i would agree with you but never discard Williams and RB.
It seems the changes we got for the floor and some aero and engine mapping are actually very good. All i hope is we get a clean session, no drama, at least not for us XD

[Kingdom Hearts]

Fernando weekend may be over, Ferrari confirmed that he is running with less horse power than Kimi all the weekend because some problems with the fuel sensors.

[Hornet]

Fernando weekend may be over, Ferrari confirmed that he is running with less horse power than Kimi all the weekend because some problems with the fuel sensors.

I take it that it wasn't fixable :-s

[LivingHitokiri]

Fernando weekend may be over, Ferrari confirmed that he is running with less horse power than Kimi all the weekend because some problems with the fuel sensors.

Cannot we replace it ?

[Kingdom Hearts]

don't know, there is no much info about it, I guess we will have to wait unti qualy is over.

[Alessandra]

Fernando weekend may be over, Ferrari confirmed that he is running with less horse power than Kimi all the weekend because some problems with the fuel sensors.

Well,that's wonderful. Would there be any advantage in working on the car and starting from the pit lane tomorrow?

[AfterLife]

I am beginning to think, if there was an issue with fuel sensor of Fernando's car, It is solved. Just my 2 cent ;-)

[LivingHitokiri]

These guys at SKY F1 are amazing.
When Fernando criticizes the team they jump on him for it.
When Fernando says positive things about Ferrari suddenly they say that he got ulterior motives and whatsoever....
Why are thy doing this, especially with the Ferrari drivers?

[tifosi1993]

:ferrarifl

[Ed Harley]

Hoping for a decent qualifying session and OKish starting positions for the red cars.

[Kristof_F40]

Personnaly I think we are behind Williams here, but I'm not sure.. Fact is that if we are behind Williams during the race, it will be hard to overtake...

[fratelliferrari]

Come on Ferrari let's make it a nice Quali!

[Kristof_F40]

Felipe going good here..

[SinanOzerS]

Raikkonen is all over the place.

[Ed Harley]

KR's car is all over the place. :-s

[Ed Harley]

LOL

[Ed Harley]

Higher temperatures causing setup being off?

[fratelliferrari]

Felipe going good here..

Yes and Iam very happy about that :-D If we can't get on 2nd row I really hope Felipe can get in 2nd row!

[tifosi1993]

:-??

[varun]

Ok missed FP3,what happened suddenly
what did we do to the car?:-??

[Kyss4k]

Higher temperatures causing setup being off?

We are not using our "upgrades", so the car is basically what we had in Monaco, with even bit less downforce for higher speeds and hopefully updated engine mapping. So all in all, whatever temperature, we won't be fast here.

[SinanOzerS]

Fernando did 1.17:2 on the FP1 with soft tyres. Now it's 1.17:8. Are they kidding us ?

[Kristof_F40]

Track very different, only merc and Williams seems to go good

[varun]

1.2 sec off on supersofts that too from Mercs on soft:-E

[Kristof_F40]

We're struggling massively

[Ed Harley]

We are not using our "upgrades", so the car is basically what we had in Monaco, with even bit less downforce for higher speeds and hopefully updated engine mapping. So all in all, whatever temperature, we won't be fast here.
So upgrades did not work well?

[Katu]

first session i see this weekend and all crashes i see

[varun]

We are not using our "upgrades", so the car is basically what we had in Monaco, with even bit less downforce for higher speeds and hopefully updated engine mapping. So all in all, whatever temperature, we won't be fast here.

Maybe i missed something but why on earth are we not using "upgrades" if they actually worked yesterday?

[JacKy]

Looks very bad.. We may eliminated in q2

[Kristof_F40]

Seems a lot of driver are getting caught out by the track.. Definitly not to our advantage..

[SinanOzerS]

I can't believe, why we're not using our "massive" upgrades ? That's embarrasing.

[Kyss4k]

Maybe i missed something but why on earth are we not using "upgrades" if they actually worked yesterday?

The word is: "because of high temperatures"... We simply **** ourselves and went the safe way. Like we have something to lose.

[shamim179]

We're looking very far from 2nd best! It would have been better if Ferrari just stayed quiet about the big upgrades. A little disappointing.

[Kristof_F40]

Seems that we can't get the tyres working.. good be a big problem..

[LivingHitokiri]

We arent using our upgrades probably due to heat temperature.... i can understand the engine covers but the aero changes, engine mapping and floor should be there....

[Kristof_F40]

We're looking very far from 2nd best! It would have been better if Ferrari just stayed quiet about the big upgrades. A little disappointing.

Did Ferrari say anything about big updates and being 2nd best team? No, we made that from FP results....

[tifosi1993]

Maybe i missed something but why on earth are we not using "upgrades" if they actually worked yesterday?

Reliability issues.

[Ed Harley]

Saw Mark Slade on TV and yelled YES!!! and immediately realized he was in Lotus clothes. :oops :-s

[Kyss4k]

We arent using our upgrades probably due to heat temperature.... i can understand the engine covers but the aero changes, engine mapping and floor should be there....

Floor and engine cover are not there...

[varun]

The word is: "because of high temperatures"... We simply **** ourselves and went the safe way. Like we have something to lose.

What is relation of temperature with the upgrades?:-E
Whatever Q3 looks tough now :-(

[Kyss4k]

Did Ferrari say anything about big updates and being 2nd best team? No, we made that from FP results....

They brought a "big" upgrade. New floor, new engine cover, new engine mapping. But they lost their balls and decided to not use them, because of heat. What the actual ****?

[LivingHitokiri]

Floor and engine cover are not there...

It makes no sense on why changing the floor, i understand the engine cover but the floor ?

[Kristof_F40]

Is anyone actually 100% that we aren't using new floor?

[F1NAC]

Just stupid... all upgrades removed. Brilliant. Hate this just hate:roll

[Kyss4k]

What is relation of temperature with the upgrades?:-E
Whatever Q3 looks tough now :-(

Cooling probably. But I thought that we have professionals in the team who know how to design the parts to make the car to not overheat. It's summer, 90% of coming races will be hot.

[Laferrari]

Maybe i missed something but why on earth are we not using "upgrades" if they actually worked yesterday?

Maybe it s better to downgrade the car to be faster because when we upgrade the car it s going slower....lol.
I cannot imagine what s going on alonso head ...when he see this type of collapse...amazing...

[shamim179]

Was all this talk just to impress Haas? He can't be that impressed now.

[Kyss4k]

Is anyone actually 100% that we aren't using new floor?

@tgruener: #F1 Ferrari running the old engine cover and floor for rest of Montreal weekend. New parts too risky with higher ambient temperatures.

[The Hajj]

How can 77F be considered "too hot" ????

What do you expect Montreal to be in early June?

Temperature has to be a excuse to not use the upgrades.

[varun]

Just stupid... all upgrades removed. Brilliant. Hate this just hate:roll

True,its absolutely unbelievable.
Even if there are reliability issues we should try it out, we are not in any WDC/WCC fight then why not try it :lou

[Ed Harley]

Hulkenberg's FI seemed really planted in just about every turn judging by the onboard camera.

[Rob]

Just stupid... all upgrades removed. Brilliant. Hate this just hate:roll

what do you all want? keep upgrades and we overheat the cars and have double DNF? man the team cannt win with you lot.

The team saw heat issues, which didnt like the look of. They doing their job, the heat is bit more than we thought.

[LivingHitokiri]

OK WHAT ?

[Rosso Corsa]

They brought a "big" upgrade. New floor, new engine cover, new engine mapping. But they lost their balls and decided to not use them, because of heat. What the actual ****?

Maybe Ferrari saw from the temp data that the engine wouldn't survive. But yeah, lets make out the team are cowards instead.

[Kristof_F40]

We loose in S3 to Williams, so if we start behind them in the race, we will probably stay there.. but on the other hand, we have Fernando and Kimi so..

[Kyss4k]

what do you all want? keep upgrades and we overheat the cars and have double DNF? man the team cannt win with you lot.

The team saw heat issues, which didnt like the look of. They doing their job, the heat is bit more than we thought.

Well, to make parts that actually work for a change? Would be nice.

[NickEice]

If Alonso really has a detuned engine to Kimi why isn't he behind him...

[varun]

Come on Massa get on pole :clap
and Ham:furious

[SinanOzerS]

Wow, that's strange. Really strange.

[JacKy]

What the hell is going on

[LivingHitokiri]

If Alonso really has a destuned engine to Kimi why isn't he behind him...

Fernando's sensor got replaces and Kimi hit the wall at sector 1, Fernando said the lap was good.

[Kyss4k]

Maybe Ferrari saw from the temp data that the engine wouldn't survive. But yeah, lets make out the team are cowards instead.

Are we building car for winter or something then? Or are our guys in factory drink too much with Kimi in house? The temps won't be lower then today in the coming races...

[Rob]

Well, to make parts that actually work for a change? Would be nice.

they do, and well, but with higher temps, be a risk of DNFs. Less cooling less drag. If temps stayed as yesterday, we would of run them.

[Greig]

So if we ran the upgrades knowing full well that it would result in DNF would that be the right decision?

Some people.....:Hmm

[Rob]

Are we building car for winter or something then? Or are our guys in factory drink too much with Kimi in house? The temps won't be lower then today in the coming races...

ok, what would you of said, if team say, we running new updates in race, with risk of high temps. Then we DNF, what would you say? bash the team again saying shouldnt of run the updates. :roll

[Rob]

So if we ran the upgrades knowing full well that it would result in DNF would that be the right decision?

Some people.....:Hmm

:thumb

[Dino]

what do you all want? keep upgrades and we overheat the cars and have double DNF? man the team cannt win with you lot.

The team saw heat issues, which didnt like the look of. They doing their job, the heat is bit more than we thought.

+1.... Risk of loosing the engines must be high!...Kimi's engine was knocking in FP1...= WARNING!!!

[SinanOzerS]

Some moderators in this forum must be some Ferrari mechanic.

[Kyss4k]

they do, and well, but with higher temps, be a risk of DNFs. Less cooling less drag. If temps stayed as yesterday, we would of run them.

What higher temps? It's normal (even lower) temperatures for a summer time. This is lamer excuse then the wind tunnel one.

[Ed Harley]

KR should improve ASAP.

[Rosso Corsa]

What higher temps? It's normal (even lower) temperatures for a summer time. This is lamer excuse then the wind tunnel one.

The wind tunnel on this forum is worse.

[Kyss4k]

So if we ran the upgrades knowing full well that it would result in DNF would that be the right decision?

Some people.....:Hmm

What does floor has to do with cooling thoug? Engine cover, fine, even though it SHOULD have been designed to handle it in the first place, but floor? Eh, what?

[Rob]

Some moderators in this forum must be some Ferrari mechanic.

;-)

better than being a sofa racer and engineer.

[Rob]

What does floor has to do with cooling thoug? Engine cover, fine, even though it SHOULD have been designed to handle it in the first place, but floor? Eh, what?

the floor and engine cover is going to working together.

[shamim179]

they do, and well, but with higher temps, be a risk of DNFs. Less cooling less drag. If temps stayed as yesterday, we would of run them.

If that is the case it would have been wiser to use 1 of our cars with all the new parts. We could then use that data for evaluation purposes. We panicked and overlooked that option possibly. This isn't the first time we have done this. Frustration is completely understandable. I think we're playing it way too safe.

[varun]

Where does pettel comes from each time:furious

[Rob]

If that is the case it would have been wiser to use 1 of our cars with all the new parts. We could then use that data for evaluation purposes. We panicked and overlooked that option possibly. This isn't the first time we have done this. Frustration is completely understandable. I think we're playing it way too safe.

loose 1 car in race and loose points for WCC. Thats doesnt make sense, sorry.

[SinanOzerS]

the floor and engine cover is going to working together.

What ? Are you kidding me ? You have no clues about it.

[Greig]

Some moderators in this forum must be some Ferrari mechanic.

Another useless post.

[varun]

Dyno tests are working:roll

[hogo]

Exciting year, yayyy! :roll

[Rob]

What ? Are you kidding me ? You have no clues about it.

you would be very surprised my friend. ;-)

[Kyss4k]

the floor and engine cover is going to working together.

We are constantly changing engine covers on race weekends without a need for floor change. Well... after a bit of hope, back to "no expectations" mode again.

[Ed Harley]

From engineering point of view it seems a bit strange to put a lot of effort in designing several upgrades for a car and then notice that one basic element ie. temperature has not been modelled sufficiently or precisely enough in computer simulations or such. But better be safe than sorry.

[Dino]

Some moderators in this forum must be some Ferrari mechanic.

Some moderators in this forum must have some idea of what is going on.............You don't!!!!!!:thumb

[hogo]

@tgruener: #F1 Ferrari running the old engine cover and floor for rest of Montreal weekend. New parts too risky with higher ambient temperatures.

You can't be serious lol! But if you are, no wonder we suck so bad.

[shamim179]

loose 1 car in race and loose points for WCC. Thats doesnt make sense, sorry.

It's not like we're going to get lots of points without these parts. Points would have been minimal. You've got to look at the risk/reward ratio. We've played it way too safe but ironically when it comes to race strategies at times we opt to take an extremely risky race strategy that have cost us dearly. Doesn't make sense. We could have run our engine on a lower setting to minimise the chances of a DNF but which driver is going to be willing to do that? We don't have Massa anymore.

[wacc]

What does floor has to do with cooling thoug? Engine cover, fine, even though it SHOULD have been designed to handle it in the first place, but floor? Eh, what?

I think the floor and sidepods are connected so they are meant to be used together. One without the other can not be used....

edit: another words they work as a package.

[Dino]

If that is the case it would have been wiser to use 1 of our cars with all the new parts. We could then use that data for evaluation purposes. We panicked and overlooked that option possibly. This isn't the first time we have done this. Frustration is completely understandable. I think we're playing it way too safe.

Depends how early in the race we loose that engine!

[AfterLife]

We don't know really if the problem was down to temperature. Do we?

[Greig]

Have Ferrari confirmed why the updates were not used, or is it just twitter = truth?

[Rob]

It's not like we're going to get lots of points without these parts. Points would have been minimal. You've got to look at the risk/reward ratio. We've played it way too safe but ironically when it comes to race strategies at times we opt to take an extremely risky race strategy that have cost us dearly. Doesn't make sense. We could have run our engine on a lower setting to minimise the chances of a DNF but which driver is going to be willing to do that? We don't have Massa anymore.

Again, its all about WCC, and try to secure 2nd in the WCC as Merc seem out of reach now. Points means $$ at end of year. 2nd would be better than 3rd.

Totally understand where you coming from, but the team thinking of the bigger picture, WCC points.

[varun]

Why we always make a fool out of ourselves ,so much talk about the upgrades ,B spec car etc etc for Canada and then this!:oops

[Rob]

Have Ferrari confirmed why the updates were not used, or is it just twitter = truth?

Twitter truth is like Wikipedia, is gospel.

:-G

[Kyss4k]

Have Ferrari confirmed why the updates were not used, or is it just twitter = truth?

2 options:
1. relieability (bad design)
2. not working (bad design)

After waiting so long for these updates, this is just sad. We still are not able to make upgrades to outdevelop the competition, there is constantly something wrong and it doesn't matter what is it. I have a feeling that even if we have started with best car, we would already be outdeveloped by others. Confidence is not really shining from Ferrari factory.

[DJTaurus]

those mercs...........

[shamim179]

Depends how early in the race we loose that engine!

I think it just demonstrates our lack of confidence in being able to upgrade our car sufficiently to bag ourselves enough points. However, by going focussing on reliability we have a chance but we are assuming our rivals will falter with reliability problems. At this stage of the championship we need to take risks. Maybe Mattiacci doesn't want to take such risk so early on in his job. It just wouldn't look good if one of our cars DNF. You've also got Haas in our garages. A DNF in front of him surely will not look good. Politics if you ask me.

[SinanOzerS]

It cannot be because these are not working. We did see the pace yesterday.

[varun]

i justtttttttttttt hate this
We post a time and people like Pettel come and keep pushing it downnnn:furious:furious

[wacc]

2 options:
1. relieability (bad design)
2. not working (bad design)

After waiting so long for these updates, this is just sad. We still are not able to make upgrades to outdevelop the competition, there is constantly something wrong and it doesn't matter what is it. I have a feeling that even if we have started with best car, we would already be outdeveloped by others. Confidence is not really shining from Ferrari factory.

Quite agree with you. I am disappointed too. What is the fast aero package good for when you can not use it on track during summer.

[Laferrari]

So funny.I make so much hope about those" upgrade" and we remove all of them due to....the weather:-E...princeless.

[Ed Harley]

7th and 10th - oh dear

[varun]

Ok now i know who to support for the WDC.:-D
Ferrari move over to 2016.

[tifosi1993]

P7 & P10

[The Hajj]

2 seconds off the pace.
WOW!!!
Great job being done at Maranello.

[wacc]

Real disappointment. :Cube

[andone89]

Just horrible

[Greig]

2 options:
1. relieability (bad design)
2. not working (bad design)

After waiting so long for these updates, this is just sad. We still are not able to make upgrades to outdevelop the competition, there is constantly something wrong and it doesn't matter what is it. I have a feeling that even if we have started with best car, we would already be outdeveloped by others. Confidence is not really shining from Ferrari factory.

Oh well that you decided then, thanks for the clarification.

[KurtC]

so much for supposedly closing the gap with Mercedes... FP times fooled us once again

[Ed Harley]

The single run for KR and he ends up in traffic.

[hogo]

Vergne 8th and Kimi 10th... oh dear... even Minardi beat one of our cars.

[Mimo966]

Vettel from nowhere nr3. It is so dissapointing. i Somehow hoped for a good saturday and/or maybe sunday. I think this is will end like typical race for us. Ciao. :(

[Rob]

Ok now i know who to support for the WDC.:-D
Ferrari move over to 2016.

go support Merc now if you want.

:wave

[AfterLife]

Have somebody seen my first posts? :lol

[Ed Harley]

Hope the race goes well tomorrow.

[Greig]

2 seconds off the pace.
WOW!!!
Great job being done at Maranello.

Or 1 second.

[shamim179]

Wow Rosberg! On a track that Hamilton is a master of! This is will be a huge psychological blow to Hamilton.

[fronaldo]

As usual..

[Kyss4k]

Oh well that you decided then, thanks for the clarification.

Ok, so they did it for fun? Ok.

[tifosi1993]

2 seconds off the pace.
WOW!!!
Great job being done at Maranello.

What?

[SilverSpeed]

Lets shift focus to 2016 now...

[mark p]

New parts were worth alot yet the smallest sign of reliability issue they would not take the risk and end up knowhere. Whats the point of this I would rather they qualify third and fourth run like that then blow up. They may well make it....too much caution sometimes you have to take risks even if short term pain long term gain.

So disapointed. JUST GAMBLE!!!!!

[AfterLife]

Lets shift focus to 2016 now...

:rotfl

[LivingHitokiri]

The single run for KR and he ends up in traffic.
I cannot imagine how we manage to mess out getting our driver properly on an empty lap......

Disappointing qualifying, really those upgrades reverted proved enough to ruin our chances....

[Rob]

New parts were worth alot yet the smallest sign of reliability issue they would not take the risk and end up knowhere. Whats the point of this I would rather they qualify third and fourth run like that then blow up. They may well make it....too much caution sometimes you have to take risks even if short term pain long term gain.

So disapointed. JUST GAMBLE!!!!!

You would rather have DNFs than WCC points?

[Greig]

Ok, so they did it for fun? Ok.

You are the one ranting about it, so I assume you have much more info than a tweet.

[Marino]

It's only 1 second for Alo and 1.3e for Rai. Don't u feel better now!!!!

[zike]

For the first time in 17 years I am thinking not to watch the race......I have had enough of this idiots

[Dino]

I think it just demonstrates our lack of confidence in being able to upgrade our car sufficiently to bag ourselves enough points. However, by going focussing on reliability we have a chance but we are assuming our rivals will falter with reliability problems. At this stage of the championship we need to take risks. Maybe Mattiacci doesn't want to take such risk so early on in his job. It just wouldn't look good if one of our cars DNF. You've also got Haas in our garages. A DNF in front of him surely will not look good. Politics if you ask me.

I am just as upset as all Ferrart fans here but i am sure you will agree with the team's decision of running with the old bits if the engines are running hot.We where close to losing Kimi's engine due to knocking [engine killer] in FP1.
Maybe we could have gotten away with using the new bodywork but run the old software [less power]??
Sure the team knows what's best.

[DJTaurus]

We have clearly improved...... from 1.5 sec gap to 1 :)

[Kyss4k]

I cannot imagine how we manage to mess out getting our driver properly on an empty lap......

Disappointing qualifying, really those upgrades reverted proved enough to ruin our chances....

We may get 2 points tomorrow though!

[varun]

go support Merc now if you want.

:wave

We can support Ferrari for the WCC but don't tell me that you are expecting Alonso or Kimi to mount a challenge for the WDC this year?
I just meant it is would be better that Rosberg wins the WDC rather than Hamster.:-G

[Rob]

We may get 2 points tomorrow though!

better than none, no?

[Greig]

Also running knowing we would DNF, would probably see us lose the engines for later in the season resulting in a penalty.

[Kyss4k]

You are the one ranting about it, so I assume you have much more info than a tweet.

What are other reasons? There aren't any. If it works, they would use it. If it doesn't the won't. And they are not using them. It IS black & white.

[SinanOzerS]

Calm down guys, at least we know we'll have a very fast car to drive in Antarctica.

[LivingHitokiri]

We may get 2 points tomorrow though!

To be honest, i would rather prefer having less reliable but faster car rather other way around,but, thats just me.
Of course we cannot criticize the changes much as we are simply fans but they seemed fine in the first practices , how it magically turned into a problem out of blue.


Anyway, im not sure what to expect from tomorrow's race, im really disappointed.

[Greig]

What are other reasons? There aren't any. If it works, they would use it. If it doesn't the won't. And they are not using them. It IS black & white.

Well clearly they have decided not to use them, so clearly it does not work.

[Nero Horse]

7th and 10th...really?! Depressing and very sad, is all I can say. :roll

We almost always start off well in FPs and then completely fade off in quali. *sigh*

It's just a really sad the situation we're in and seemingly unable to get out of it even a little bit. :-s

[Kyss4k]

better than none, no?

For Marussia, sure.

[Greig]

For Marussia, sure.

We should just not turn up then, no points no racing. Will that keep you happy?

[Marino]

You would rather have DNFs than WCC points?

Yes, I would rather be fast and DNF rather than collect 4 or 5 WCC points

[Kyss4k]

Well clearly they have decided not to use them, so clearly it does not work.

That's what I'm talking about. Not working again. After being in development for so long. Only working upgrades for last few years were the ones we coppied. Just why our are engineers incapable to make any of our cars faster?

[Kingdom Hearts]

sad, there is no hope this season.

[hogo]

I love this circuit but damn we look so bad every year here. I knew that this year will be even worse still I didn't expect to lose places to Minardi driver omg! On the bright side, we are beating Lotus again :-ZZ

[Sanomas]

I couldn't watch the qualify tonight, but after looking to results the only thing I can say is:


Grrr!!!


That because my expect was high after what they have told us... I'd rather wait for race and see what is going on with Ferrari!

[Bertie]

5 engines a year. losing 1 is more than lost points at this event. Upgrades worked just need to tweak cooling inlight of engine updates. I wonder if its gear box temperature they are concerned about. anyone know what stage in the cycle we are? I think we are paying the price for small sidepod openings. Hope we can learn from this for next year.

[Kristof_F40]

I think the only somewhat realistic target for the race is beating RBR.. Williams has the best top speed and uses less fuel so.. RBR on the other hand

[Greig]

That's what I'm talking about. Not working again. After being in development for so long. Only working upgrades for last few years were the ones we coppied. Just why our are engineers incapable to make any of our cars faster?

Stefano was the reason, or maybe we don't have that much talent but oh well we replaced Massa and Stefano so everything will be alright as so many told us.

[Kristof_F40]

I love this circuit but damn we look so bad every year here. I knew that this year will be even worse still I didn't expect to lose places to Minardi driver omg! On the bright side, we are beating Lotus again :-ZZ

"We look so bad every year here" remember last year???

[Ed Harley]

Do you reckon Ferrari will now shift focus on 2015 car?

[PadGeT]

Well clearly they have decided not to use them, so clearly it does not work.
Exactly, the updates didn't work as expected. Its the media that was claiming Ferrari were the second fastest with the updates.

Do you reckon Ferrari will now shift focus on 2015 car?
No, they should carry on with development.

[Rob]

Yes, I would rather be fast and DNF rather than collect 4 or 5 WCC points

and finish down with Caterham in WCC, then you all be banging on that ALL team needs to be sacked,

[Greig]

Do you reckon Ferrari will now shift focus on 2015 car?

No, 2015 cars will be just the same as 2014.

[varun]

Rather than expecting a China 2.0 , this weekend is turning out to be Bahrain 2.0

[R Ginart]

Lets shift attention to 2015, 2016, 2017.....
Again: rinse, repeat: rinse repeat: P5 in QUALY: 5th place race finish. If FP 1, 2 & 3 are any indications here is what we should expect to see:::::
FP1= ahead by .016= after 70 laps in race a win by 1.12 secs, highly unlikely
FP2=behind by .583= after 70 laps in race behind the winner by 40.81 secs.
FP3=behind by .878= after 70 laps in race behind the winner by 61.46 secs.
QUALY= behind pole by .94= after 70 laps in race Alonso should finish 65.8 secs after thw winner!
Again new levels of disappointments achived by Marinello!

[Kyss4k]

We should just not turn up then, no points no racing. Will that keep you happy?

We should be more agressive. To risk more.

Do you remember the preseason talk from Ferrari? We went the safe way with reliability saying that reliability is the most important thing and that it that's what we are aiming for. That if you finish the race, you will get points... Others (Merc) pushed for speed, was agressive and look. Most of the cars are finishing all races and it is the speed which is the main factor. And Mercedes powered cars are the most reliable car out there as well.

[LivingHitokiri]

Do you reckon Ferrari will now shift focus on 2015 car?

If we do that so early il personally go to Italy and riot outside our Maranello base. That would be embarrassing for us to do.

[Giallo 550]

At least the teammate battle at Mercedes is interesting.

[zike]

In Austria we will have a C-spec car, if snowing:lol

[Kyss4k]

No, 2015 cars will be just the same as 2014.

Ours has to clearly be very different...

[Rob]

No, 2015 cars will be just the same as 2014.

They will be near enough the same, least we can upgrade the engine next year before being frozen.

But, by sounds of it, think Ferrari should just build a 1 lap rocket ship, get 1-2 in quali then double DNF, no points. But thats ok, least we have fast car.:roll

:-G

[Golfsmith]

Politics if you ask me
So who are on the list to get the blame now.
LDM should get the axe he's to involved with politics and not Ferrari,it's a shame to cal this Ferrari with no balls at all to take risks.
There's a big nut lose in this Ferrari F1 organisation.

[Ed Harley]

If we do that so early il personally go to Italy and riot outside our Maranello base. That would be embarrassing for us to do.
Well, if they do it too late 2015 might not be an improvement.

Best situation would be to be able to pinpoint what exactly is the problem with the car (not the symptoms) and being able to sort it out.

[varun]

In Austria we will have a C-spec car, if snowing:lol

:rotfl

[LivingHitokiri]

They will be near enough the same, least we can upgrade the engine next year before being frozen.

But, by sounds of it, think Ferrari should just build a 1 lap rocket ship, get 1-2 in quali then double DNF, no points. But thats ok, least we have fast car.:roll

:-G
Rob,you mean like Mclaren in 2005 ?

[Forzi]

Everything as it was, just Williams up there. Let's not forget why they jumped us, and even Red Bull. It's a stop and go circuit, which suites them tremendously. When we'll get to a usual circuit, we'll be back where we were fighting RedBull. It's not worser than it was two weeks ago, ain't really much better either.

Also, race is tomorrow, as are the points given.

[SinanOzerS]

In Austria we will have a C-spec car, if snowing:lol

:rotfl

[Marino]

They will be near enough the same, least we can upgrade the engine next year before being frozen.

But, by sounds of it, think Ferrari should just build a 1 lap rocket ship, get 1-2 in quali then double DNF, no points. But thats ok, least we have fast car.:roll

:-G

Yes, then I could get on with other business earlier instead of watching our cars get lapped.

[Kyss4k]

Stefano was the reason, or maybe we don't have that much talent but oh well we replaced Massa and Stefano so everything will be alright as so many told us.

I never said to fire an exact person. Stefano was unable to sort the team out and him leaving was the right thing as he was the leader. But it is clear our design team is lacking. I don't know if we don't have a people or environment or bad leadership... but there is something seriously wrong.

Just to hear from Massa and Smedley how even Williams (team with far far less resources then us) is working way better in that area then our team is alarming. I was in false hope we finally figured it out, but I was grounded hard today.

[Sianellen]

Stefano was the reason, or maybe we don't have that much talent but oh well we replaced Massa and Stefano so everything will be alright as so many told us.

Is it still all Stefano's fault or has someone else been found to blame yet? Can the cook be sacked again?

[LivingHitokiri]

Well, if they do it too late 2015 might not be an improvement.

Best situation would be to be able to pinpoint what exactly is the problem with the car (not the symptoms) and being able to sort it out.

The thing is that things are different, we cannot improve our car and make huge changes like we used to do in the past, almost everything is same or frozen.
We tried to bring a more aggressive engine mapping and bodywork, it looks we are trying to risk some of our reliability for pace but apparently we arent risking enough.

[Sanomas]

At least the teammate battle at Mercedes is interesting.

Yeah, their teammate battle is always fun to watch!

It just the shame we don't have the same thing at Ferrari... We have two great driver, but we just complain about the poor performance of the car!

[Ed Harley]

There is this old jungle saying: "It is easier to make a fast car reliable then a reliable one fast."

Hope the race is good. Off to put my Harley together now. See yous.

[Golfsmith]

No, they should carry on with development
Do they know the meaning of development.

[Greig]

I never said to fire an exact person. Stefano was unable to sort the team out and him leaving was the right thing as he was the leader. But it is clear our design team is lacking. I don't know if we don't have a people or environment or bad leadership... but there is something seriously wrong.

Just to hear from Massa and Smedley how even Williams (team with far far less resources then us) is working way better in that area then our team is alarming. I was in false hope we finally figured it out, but I was grounded hard today.

You could begin by asking why Luca Di has spent years bemoaning too much aero in F1, not enough testing etc. Yet our CFD and aero department seem barren of talent, our wind tunnel did not work and when the rules do change then our engine department is left behind. Then we might find some answers.

[PadGeT]

Do they know the meaning of development.

Well, there is no harm in trying. :-)

[Kyss4k]

You could begin by asking why Luca Di has spent years bemoaning too much aero in F1, not enough testing etc. Yet our CFD and aero department seem barren of talent, our wind tunnel did not work and when the rules do change then our engine department is left behind. Then we might find some answers.

Well, the obvious answer would be money... But we don't lack those right? Else, I hav no idea.

[REDARMYSOJA]

We tried to bring a more aggressive engine mapping and bodywork, it looks we are trying to risk some of our reliability for pace but apparently we arent risking enough.

Did anyone hear exactly what Kimi's problem was in P1 yesterday? All I know is he said something over the radio about losing power and the team said something about the engine knocking. I wonder if they dialed back both engines because of that.

[hogo]

At least the teammate battle at Mercedes is interesting.

Don't get fooled, it's just for the show, to up the ratings... There can never be a real battle between team mates, too much is at stake nowadays. Lewis will be WDC this year, it's team decision, Rosberg has no say in this.

[wacc]

Kimi Raikkonen:
"It could have been much more worse than it was"
Do not know whether to laugh or cry.

[Nero Horse]

Yet our CFD and aero department seem barren of talent, our wind tunnel did not work and when the rules do change then our engine department is left behind. Then we might find some answers.

There are plenty of talented people in our aero department all of who have done really well in their previous teams, but haven't been able to improve our form for some mysterious reason. Is it really still the wind tunnel that is troubling us? Don't know...but we do have plenty of talented people working in our team, the only question is why haven't they been able to show their talent properly in our team?

[wacc]

...but we do have plenty of talented people working in our team, the only question is why haven't they been able to show their talent properly in our team?

It might be style of working, decision making, simply bad management from the top to down.

[stefa]

I have arrived in London, and just seen the results. Nothing now, ha?

[stefa]

Do you reckon Ferrari will now shift focus on 2015 car?

If they not, I think is a time!

[LivingHitokiri]

Did anyone hear exactly what Kimi's problem was in P1 yesterday? All I know is he said something over the radio about losing power and the team said something about the engine knocking. I wonder if they dialed back both engines because of that.

It was some specific to his car not related to updates afaik as Fernando was the one running the updates on FP 1.
Both of our drivers looked optimistic with the updates after FP 2 , both Fernando and Kimi said they expect some good results but all that went to nothing with the changes reverted....

[anuragiyer8989]

18:48 Fernando Alonso looked amused when asked by reporters if he expected more than seventh on the grid following Ferrari's Friday practice results.

"We are always in the top three in practice but we are never in the top three in qualifying," he pointed out, underlining that Ferrari tends to run a different Friday programme to its rivals. A lighter-fuelled one..
:-P

[Rob]

18:48 Fernando Alonso looked amused when asked by reporters if he expected more than seventh on the grid following Ferrari's Friday practice results.

"We are always in the top three in practice but we are never in the top three in qualifying," he pointed out, underlining that Ferrari tends to run a different Friday programme to its rivals. A lighter-fuelled one..
:-P

What and a heavy load for quali? doenst make sense.

[anuragiyer8989]

What and a heavy load for quali? doenst make sense.

If you ask me, the last 5 years haven't made sense!

[Rob]

If you ask me, the last 5 years haven't made sense!

no, but we been through worse years than this, took Jean and Co 5 years to get WDC, we may just have to wait another year. No big deal, hurts. But, least James can have 120% input into next years car. Fernando, said yesterday, he wants win WDC with us, that says it isnt looking to leave. He has totl faith in the team, and the future.

;-)

[PadGeT]

I heard in pitlane channel Stella was calming down Fernando during Q3.

[AfterLife]

Such lovely practice sessions. I really enjoyed them :-D

[anuragiyer8989]

18:59 BEN ANDERSON: "Red flag now as a Spectrum is turned into the wall on the start/finish straight."

18:57 BEN ANDERSON: "Formula Ford 1600 race on-circuit in Montreal right now. Great slipstreaming battle for second place."

Wish it were a Red Bull!!

[Nero Horse]

Oh well...the situation is what it is, nothing we can do, but just hope and pray that things will get better soon. It is very sad, painful and depressing yes, but I'll always love and support my team no matter what.

Let's see what happens tomorrow in the race...

Forza Ferrari per sempre!!! :ferrarifl

[Icon]

Alonso says the new parts worked but they're not suitable for the temps

[Kyss4k]

"Alonso says the new parts worked but they're not suitable for the temps"

It's about time the winter would finally come.

[FranksterGM]

To see the Ferrari cars being beaten in qualifying by Massa is just the pits..
Ah well can only hope for the best..

[anuragiyer8989]

Do we make cars only for winter testing now?!
Hey! Russia will be cold!

[wacc]

"Alonso says the new parts worked but they're not suitable for the temps"

It's about time the winter would finally come.

And start to have another worm in tyre warming issues :lol

[SinanOzerS]

Wait for us Anctartica !

[hogo]

"Alonso says the new parts worked but they're not suitable for the temps"

It's about time the winter would finally come.

I looked over the venues that are ahead, and I think we can get lower temps in Russian GP only. All other circuits may have even higher temps than Canada had today.

[Greig]

Can't wait to be roasting at Silverstone then....

[Rob]

Can't wait to be roasting at Silverstone then....

31 degrees mate.

[hogo]

Can't wait to be roasting at Silverstone then....

Ferrari got scared of 24C, it's very likely that temp in Silverstone will be similar or even higher than this.

[ManFromMilan]

Do you reckon Ferrari will now shift focus on 2015 car?


Hell no. Hope they build a "2015 car" for this year instead. Even if we win the last quarter of the championship, we will truly be in better shape for next year with a clear design that could win next year as well.


If we do that so early il personally go to Italy and riot outside our Maranello base. That would be embarrassing for us to do.


That sounds about right:thumb

[Greig]

Ferrari got scared of 24C, it's very likely that temp in Silverstone will be similar or even higher than this.

Ok then, I doubt it....but anyway you make it sound like they can't modify it to cope with higher temps?

[Alonsomaniac]

Headache.:dighole

[zike]

The winter is coming :D

[Suzie]

The winter is coming :D

Ned? Is that you?

[Golfsmith]

No, they should carry on with development
Do they know the meaning of development.

[shamim179]

It will be interesting to see what the team has to say after pinning their hopes on this race.

Our gap to Mercedes is more or less the same. The time delta might be smaller than in previous races but the track is shorter so the deltas will be smaller consequently. But it is evident that quite a few of the other teams have closed the gap to Mercedes.

[stefa]

Can't wait to be roasting at Silverstone then....

Hungaroring. 45 deegrees ambient

[Senna4Ever]

I heard in pitlane channel Stella was calming down Fernando during Q3.

and what did you hear exactly?

for now I try to find out what the reference point was (or is) where we can measure where (and more in which term) we have improved the car with the new specs ...

I devote: Elton John with "I'm still standing" to our big brains at home in Maranello ...
Elton John (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s)

:clap

[DIEK]

At least the teammate battle at Mercedes is interesting.

http://gpupdate2.ed5.nl/large/245413.jpg

[fratelliferrari]

I was hoping for a bit better result today. But hopefully with a good start and race pace we still can get a nice result :-D

[Stormsearcher]

what the hell just happened? :-E

I saw FP 1,2, n 3 and we were looking good for second row. Missed quali and saw the result now. Some mistake? strategy? ... it did look like we had made a big step forward. was really excited about this race. :-s

Lets hope for a clear turn 1 and then a good race.

[Alfa159]

The car was a dud from the start of the year and I was shouted down for saying so ... there needs to be a major re-focus at Ferrari if they want to be competitive again in 2015 ... until then this year can be written off.

[Stormsearcher]

Ned? Is that you?

lol..

[bonzo]

I was hoping for a bit better result today. But hopefully with a good start and race pace we still can get a nice result :-D
...meaning to be in the points?

[bonzo]

The car was a dud from the start of the year and I was shouted down for saying so ... there needs to be a major re-focus at Ferrari if they want to be competitive again in 2015 ... until then this year can be written off.

It is written off, Ferrari is not that stupid to pin any hopes for 2014. They just won't admit it, it is against the rules of common business sense. Fans have to watch tv, go to races, buy souvenirs and advertisers have to place ads. I think most of the teams have written off the season. All talk for development, upgrades, B-spec cars is just bla, bla, bla, for the mass public to part them from their money and drivers, engineers and team management, as well as BE to make their millions. They call it racing but do you see any of it??

[Stormsearcher]

It is written off, Ferrari is not that stupid to pin any hopes for 2014. They just won't admit it, it is against the rules of common business sense. Fans have to watch tv, go to races, buy souvenirs and advertisers have to place ads. I think most of the teams have written off the season. All talk for development, upgrades, B-spec cars is just bla, bla, bla, for the mass public to part them from their money and drivers, engineers and team management, as well as BE to make their millions. They call it racing but do you see any of it??

well, to be honest, behind the mercs.. the competition is still fierce. And there is a lot of money involved wrt the points we get in WCC. So i dont think the teams are lying and have written off the season. Sure, no one expects to beat the mercs this year, but they are still going hide for leather against the rest.

[Ealdfrith]

Each load of new parts seems to be more of a hindrance than a improvement, what the hell is going on?

Moreover, with all the problems that both Fernando and Kimi are experiencing, it's hard to say that reliability is good. Not a disaster like Vettel's car so far but...

For us fans, to see the red cars in #7 and #10... huge disappointment. What a lustrum, by God!

[Kyss4k]

Each load of new parts seems to be more of a hindrance than a improvement, what the hell is going on?

Moreover, with all the problems that both Fernando and Kimi are experiencing, it's hard to say that reliability is good. Not a disaster like Vettel's car so far but...

For us fans, to see the red cars in #7 and #10... huge disappointment. What a lustrum, by God!

Yeah, the reliability is poor as well. Kimi is on his 4th MGU-H i believe. So penalty for him is certain. Knowing, that we sacrificed speed for reliability, that's yet another disappointment. This season is just a nightmare.

[Ealdfrith]

BTW, it seems some of the new parts *did* improve the car a little, but apparently are a no-go because they make the PU run too hot.

In Canada.

For Pete's sakes, what is going to happen when we go to Hungary or Monza?!

PS: as much as I criticised Felipe in the past, I feel I should eat my previous words and admire the guy for the solid performances he's putting up with the Williams.

[Winter]

No, 2015 cars will be just the same as 2014.

Rules and cars are pretty much the same, but rest of this season could be used as a testing ground. Not yet, but if this tailspin continues until summer break, I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea to sacrifice rest of this season to be stronger in 2015.

[Winter]

It was some specific to his car not related to updates afaik as Fernando was the one running the updates on FP 1.
Both of our drivers looked optimistic with the updates after FP 2 , both Fernando and Kimi said they expect some good results but all that went to nothing with the changes reverted....

I guess those new parts VS the old ones needs different kind of setup too, and using most of the FPs to set up the car with those new parts isn't a good thing either.

[Winter]

"Alonso says the new parts worked but they're not suitable for the temps"

It's about time the winter would finally come.

Yep:-P

[Kyss4k]

Yep:-P

O hai :clap

[Samcar222]

Maybe it's just me.. but why does Tombazis still have a job in Maranello?? All of his red cars have been crap aside from the F10 and F138, the latter which was beautiful crap (after RB was gifted the title by Pirelli)... This will be a long year. We should just pound round Fiorano until we blow things up to test and learn and give the FIA the bird while doing so. I know this isn't a productive post but I had to vent....

[Alesi1]

Maybe it's just me.. but why does Tombazis still have a job in Maranello?? All of his red cars have been crap aside from the F10 and F138, the latter which was beautiful crap (after RB was gifted the title by Pirelli)... This will be a long year. We should just pound round Fiorano until we blow things up to test and learn and give the FIA the bird while doing so. I know this isn't a productive post but I had to vent....

+1.
Also f1 is no longer a sport it is now just a business/entertainment, progressively shifted into the latter over the last 5 or so years. Too restrictive in terms of development

[Hornet]

Yeah, the reliability is poor as well. Kimi is on his 4th MGU-H i believe. So penalty for him is certain. Knowing, that we sacrificed speed for reliability, that's yet another disappointment. This season is just a nightmare.

It's 3rd actually.
http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/display/08957

[fratelliferrari]

...meaning to be in the points?

Well I just hope we have good pace and a good start in the best case Fernando can be on/close to the podium! Iam just hoping Kimi will not have bad luck so he can move up the field as much as possible :-D I know we all want a Ferrari win the race every time and Iam no exception but at the moment we haven't got the car for it so we have to get the maximum out of this grand prix! Stay calm :-)

[diesel08]

we are behind merc, red bull and williams!

[ntukza]

Rules and cars are pretty much the same, but rest of this season could be used as a testing ground...
And relegate the best driver pairing to being nothing more than test drivers. A sad case indeed.

[ntukza]

Qualifying. A surprising disappointment.

[ntukza]

Rosberg is class. And It shows MS still had it. I hope he wins the WDC. It appears from Hamilton's comments that the boy has had some ear-tweaking.

[zike]

Ned? Is that you?

Hodor,Hodor Hodor :lol:lol

[radosav]

what the hell just happened? :-E

I saw FP 1,2, n 3 and we were looking good for second row. Missed quali and saw the result now. Some mistake? strategy? ... it did look like we had made a big step forward. was really excited about this race. :-s

Lets hope for a clear turn 1 and then a good race.

Then it is your fault! Watch qualifying next time ,so you will not jinx Ferrari! :-)

[wisepie]

To see the Ferrari cars being beaten in qualifying by Massa is just the pits..
Ah well can only hope for the best..

Ha ha, all I can say is that it's our loss. Well done Felipe, and I'm not even going to comment on Ferrari's performance, just as well I was on a ferry returning from D-Day in France so couldn't watch quali.:-s

[stefa]

Ours has to clearly be very different...

:thumb

[stefa]

I was hoping for a bit better result today. But hopefully with a good start and race pace we still can get a nice result :-D

5th as usual :-)

[Alesi1]

5th as usual :-)
Yep. Irritated with myself that I didn't put money on merc winning every race ! This is the most predictable f1 ever. No testing = best team at start of year = best whole year. Pretty mindless really. Thanks jean Todt. I don't see NASCAR going green, doubt they care really. Dont see motogp going green. Sorry f1 if we want to be green we should electric, uh sorry formula E already exists. Give me back the f1 from the nineties please, and those that can't afford it get lost! Sorry guys I'm bitter and twisted ! Please ignore my rant, going crazy with present state of affairs

[stefa]

Yep. Irritated with myself that I didn't put money on merc winning every race ! This is the most predictable f1 ever. No testing = best team at start of year = best whole year. Pretty mindless really. Thanks jean Todt. I don't see NASCAR going green, doubt they care really. Dont see motogp going green. Sorry f1 if we want to be green we should electric, uh sorry formula E already exists. Give me back the f1 from the nineties please, and those that can't afford it get lost! Sorry guys I'm bitter and twisted ! Please ignore my rant, going crazy with present state of affairs

No you are not. You said all the right things!

[Alesi1]

No you are not. You said all the right things!

Thanks Stefa. Nice to know others feel the same.

[wisepie]

Thanks Stefa. Nice to know others feel the same.
You said it, I think it's going to be a long and possibly frustrating evening on this side of the pond! Oh well, at least we're not expecting miracles any more.

[Nick Singer]

Yep. Irritated with myself that I didn't put money on merc winning every race ! This is the most predictable f1 ever. No testing = best team at start of year = best whole year. Pretty mindless really. Thanks jean Todt. I don't see NASCAR going green, doubt they care really. Dont see motogp going green. Sorry f1 if we want to be green we should electric, uh sorry formula E already exists. Give me back the f1 from the nineties please, and those that can't afford it get lost! Sorry guys I'm bitter and twisted ! Please ignore my rant, going crazy with present state of affairs

Spot on! If you want Formula Prius, there is Formula E..

Grand Prix racing has been castrated.

[Kyss4k]

It's 3rd actually.
http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/display/08957

Then they didn't update it yet. It's indeed 4th unit:
http://f1news.cz/pictures/article/2014/06/07/07_can_q_motory-1402173584.png

[Kingdom Hearts]

Then they didn't update it yet. It's indeed 4th unit:
http://f1news.cz/pictures/article/2014/06/07/07_can_q_motory-1402173584.png

Man, Mercedes is the best at everything.