Austrian GP 2014 Qualifying Thread

[LivingHitokiri]

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:ferrarifl

[fratelliferrari]

Forza Ferrari :ferrarifl

[zike]

lets go for something higher than fifth :ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[Cemz85]

Did we run the updates in fp3?

[tifosi1993]

Did we run the updates in fp3?

Yes.

[tifosi1993]

Lets hope we get something higher than P5/P6 today.

FORZA!

:ferrarifl

[SinanOzerS]

I don't think higher spot than P5 is reachable when Williams' looks that good. But of couse, Forza Ferrari.

[LivingHitokiri]

Well at least the gap looks smaller compared to the other tracks so lets hope we can manage to get some extra performance this weekend.

[hogo]

looks like getting into top10 would be great achievement for us today

[AfterLife]

Make some noise for p3 :ferrarifl

[hogo]

oh wow so many safety zones... Bottas makes mistake and loses just few seconds... F1 is so forgiving nowadays due to those stupid safety zones. No wonder there are so many talentless drivers...

[LivingHitokiri]

wow, so many got their time disallowed at turn 8, this should be really interesting for q2 and q3!

[Alonso14]

Fernando (and I presume Kimi) onboard is so scary the watch. No traction, no stability in the high speed stuff. Every time he approaches a corner it feels like he's just about to bin it because the car is moving all over the place.

[SinanOzerS]

oh wow so many safety zones... Bottas makes mistake and loses just few seconds... F1 is so forgiving nowadays due to those stupid safety zones. No wonder there are so many talentless drivers...

Alonso also went off the track on same place, so what ?

[Kristof_F40]

Goal for this qualy: beat RBR P5 and P6 max possible behind Merc and Williams..

[ManFromMilan]

Those bloody Williams' stand between us and P3.:-s

[hogo]

Alonso also went off the track on same place, so what ?

He should be out of quali now or maybe he would be more careful with less safety zones.

[Kristof_F40]

heavy block from Ericsson... I really don't understand why Ericsson is in F1..

[LivingHitokiri]

Wow this Vettel luck, amazing......

[Kristof_F40]

Wow this Vettel luck, amazing......

I think it was calculated..

[Alonso14]

http://squirrelstreams.com/?page_id=78

HD Steam. It's from Portuguese TV but it is synced with English audio. I highly recommend it.

[fratelliferrari]

Pfff that was close for Fernando

[ManFromMilan]

Nice save from Alonso!!

[SinanOzerS]

Oversteer one lap, understeer other lap. Same story.

[Alonso14]

As Rubens would say: The car understeers like a pig

[LivingHitokiri]

That was scary to say at least....

[Kristof_F40]

Does that lap from Fer counts? He went of with 4 wheels in turn 8

[ManFromMilan]

Just sad to hear MB condescending jokes that he was lucky not have gone into the wall.

Sorry Martin, this is Alonso and he is one of the greats, not an also ran like you where!

[SinanOzerS]

Kimi just did it, only just.

[LivingHitokiri]

Phew, we managed to get pass through.
Did anyone notice that both Fernando and Kimi improved their times on their second flying times on the SS tyres, it seems we got some serious warming issues with the tyres.

[tifosi1993]

Bye bye EBD BOY!

[DIEK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqpmSCfIQAAxgeK.png:large

[LivingHitokiri]

:rotfl

[vortex]

:rotfl

[LivingHitokiri]

So, we seems to fight for the same classical p5,p6 on here as well....

[Alesi1]

Vet is a joker. Did anyone see te garbage RBR put out about Fernando's career being on hold, very disrespectful. Maybe we should put out a picture of Fettel in a clown suit, joker to win 4 titles and now getting thumped, not even a contest with his teammate.

[Ed Harley]

Would it improve Ferrari performance?

[FerrariF60]

at least we're running the updated slim and tight engine cover...so ferrari is taking a gamble

[Senna4Ever]

Would it improve Ferrari performance?

No, just a little payback ...

once again a clear demonstration that we must get Vettel in a Ferrari ... :thumb

[Hermann]

I don't think Vettel could drive a Ferrari. Its just not 'anyones' car.

[Ed Harley]

Just one run for KR in Q3?

[Alesi1]

Just one run for KR in Q3?

Used a set in q1 didn't he?

[Ed Harley]

Versus two runs of others?

[Senna4Ever]

Could it be really a Williams?

[LivingHitokiri]

Well, whats happening with Raikkonen ?

[SinanOzerS]

Hamilton gone.

[Ed Harley]

Hamilton.

[Alesi1]

happy for Williams !!

[Hermann]

A Williams on pole? :-E

[LivingHitokiri]

What the hell did just happen on q3 ?
Hamilton out, Williams 1 and 2 , Fernando basically did just 1 run, Kimi did none.....

[Ed Harley]

What a disappointment. I'm going mowing the lawn.

[tifosi1993]

Well done FELIPE!

Also P4 for Alonso. :clap

Kimi 1.5 sec slower than Alo. :roll

[hogo]

So basically people that leave our team start to shine again (Massa, Costa, Smedley), but while they are here, they struggle. Ferrari must be cursed or something :-??

[zike]

If Williams have high tire deg it would be good for Alonso.....P3 maybe

[Rob]

well done Williams. :clap

P4 not bad at all on a power track that Merc and Merc powered cars like.

[ManFromMilan]

Congrats Felipe...

and well done Lewis.

[Rob]

If Williams have high tire deg it would be good for Alonso.....P3 maybe

got the tryes to work over a lap, race distance, is/may hurt them.

[Alesi1]

Well done FELIPE!

Also P4 for Alonso. :clap

Kimi 1.5 sec slower than Alo. :roll
Yeah and Ferrari brought in Kimi cause Alonso wasn't getting enough out f the car in qualy, pfft.

[hogo]

happy for Williams !!

Yeah I am also glad that they are ahead of Ferrari :roll

[AfterLife]

We have made a step forward obviously. Well done Fernando Alonso. Second row is fantastic. ;-)

[PURE PASSION]

What a disappointment. I'm going mowing the lawn.
I did it yesterday so now i'm going for a nap!!!!!!!1

[FerrariF60]

WOW those williams's....seems teh Merc's have messed up...at least on this short TRACK

[Hornet]

Well done by Alonso and the team to secure P4, I believe this was the most we could hope for.

And congratulations to Massa's pole position, once again proving he still got the speed in him when given the right tool. :thumb

[Senna4Ever]

If not we than Williams my first choice for a pole ...
hard work of one of last man standing in this sport ...

nice gesture from Fernando to Felipe ...

face of Vettel ... you can't buy it for money ...

[M.K]

I did it yesterday so now i'm going for a nap!!!!!!!1

Alonso also deserves some nap time then...Good qualy for him though, happy for Felipe!

[Alesi1]

Missed vettels face, darn it

[Jose Lorca]

Really happy for Massa. It's about time he had some luck, and lol at Mercedes drivers choking the first time they have a challenge in Q3.

Good qualifying from Alonso but what happened to Kimi?

[impactX]

Wondering if what Mercedes is experiencing is down to losing Brawn.

[tifosi1993]

What the hell did just happen on q3 ?
Hamilton out, Williams 1 and 2 , Fernando basically did just 1 run, Kimi did none.....

None? He wasted 3 attempts on Q3

[Suzie]

Is this real?

[Alesi1]

I wonder whether some outsiders may start to give aloso some credit, rather than saying Kimi is not doing well because he isn't comfortable. Alonso is really pounding Kimi at the moment

[zike]

None? He wasted 3 attempts on Q3

!!!!!! how did he manage to do that

[FerrariF60]

Is this real?

yup Suzie, it's for REAL....your Felipe Baby is on POLE...time for u to be happy and celebrate...he's still got the speed, all he was missing is a HALF decent car....LOL

[Red_Diamond]

Is this real?

can't find a Massa forum to gloat?

[Suzie]

can't find a Massa forum to gloat?

How am I gloating?

[LivingHitokiri]

None? He wasted 3 attempts on Q3

All his attempts he had sector 1 on a 17.6 so i do not think you can even count those as attempts.
So either Raikkonen was using old SS tyres and saved one for the race or he had some serious issues with the car.

[Fer138]

Excellent job by Fernando! He was on it the whole weekend. Hope for even better tomorrow.

Congratulations to Massa, well done. Shows he still has it. Am glad that it's him and not the Mercs or Red Bulls for once.

[PadGeT]

Wait a minute, what happened to Mercs ?



Ferrari have a better chance of winning tomorrow against just Williams
than Mercedes.

Yep

[FerrariF60]

I wonder whether some outsiders may start to give aloso some credit, rather than saying Kimi is not doing well because he isn't comfortable. Alonso is really pounding Kimi at the moment

everyone knows ALONSO is teh most complete driver on the grid if not the BEST...he's beaten every team mate he's had to date and that is no ferry tale...is a FACT

he's able to extract more out of car that is a real HANDFULL to drive...like the F14T is this year, the F2012, the F15th...and so on

drivers like Kimi, Massa....need and almost perfect car to pull a good lap...

that's where the difference is between ALO and the rest

[Red_Diamond]

Massa get a pole so Ferrari made a mistake letting him go :rotfl

Ferrari have a better chance of winning tomorrow against just Williams
than Mercedes.

[SinanOzerS]

can't find a Massa forum to gloat?

:clap

[anuragiyer8989]

You want to know what is real speed combination??!

Merc engine + RB aero + Fernando Alonso!!!! Put this combination in one car and let me see some faces!

[Hornet]

Excellent job by Fernando! He was on it the whole weekend. Hope for even better tomorrow.

Congratulations to Massa, well done. Shows he still has it. Am glad that it's him and not the Mercs or Red Bulls for once.

Indeed, I wouldn't complain if someone other than Merc wins again this weekend.

If it ain't a Ferrari, I hope it's Massa :-D

[Suzie]

:clap

If I was going to gloat I'd do a much better job of it, I assure you.

[FerrariF60]

Indeed, I wouldn't complain if someone other than Merc wins again this weekend.

If it ain't a Ferrari, I hope it's Massa :-D

yup, i'm with you on this one...let's all cheer for Massa...he deserves a WIN

[Alesi1]

everyone knows ALONSO is teh most complete driver on the grid if not the BEST...he's beaten every team mate he's had to date and that is no ferry tale...is a FACT

he's able to extract more out of car that is a real HANDFULL to drive...like the F14T is this year, the F2012, the F15th...and so on

drivers like Kimi, Massa....need and almost perfect car to pull a good lap...

that's where the difference is between ALO and the rest
+1 and I also think his qualifying is generally underrated.

[Senna4Ever]

What a disappointment. I'm going mowing the lawn.

Disappointment?
How many times have we been starting in better position than P4?

[ManFromMilan]

You want to know what is real speed combination??!

Merc engine + RB aero + Fernando Alonso!!!! Put this combination in one car and let me see some faces!

:thumb


Indeed, I wouldn't complain if someone other than Merc wins again this weekend.

If it ain't a Ferrari, I hope it's Massa :-D


:thumb:thumb

[FerrariF60]

You want to know what is real speed combination??!

Merc engine + RB aero + Fernando Alonso!!!! Put this combination in one car and let me see some faces!

i'm almost 100% sure that Ferrari will up their game for next year on the ENGINE/power unit as they are allowed to make changes/modifications for next year and along with James Allison on board with 100% input on teh design of the next year's car....i think GOOD THINGS WILL COME OUT OUT THIS....

[SinanOzerS]

If I was going to gloat I'd do a much better job of it, I assure you.

Of course you can do it, on some Williams fan page.

[Senna4Ever]

First time since a few races that I realy looking forward to watch the race ...

:clap
:ferrarifl

[FerrariF60]

Disappointment?
How many times have we been starting in better position than P4?

exactly, if i remember correctly last time we qualified P4 was sometiem last year....

this is celebration time baby....LOL

[Kristof_F40]

Felipe's pole just show what we have been missing the last few years.. Did you see his son and wife running to meet him, the emotion that is envolved, also the fact that everyone seems to love Felipe being on pole.. It's this emotion and character in racing drivers that we have been missing the last years (Seb, but also Lewis (he Always wants to be a "cool gangstah", and Nico (who care more about how is hair is))

[Rob]

Of course you can do it, on some Williams fan page.

I posted well done Williams, that make me Williams fan and should go to Williams fan page? Suzie be here alot longer than you, Ferrari fan and a Felipe fan.

[Suzie]

I posted well done Williams, that make me Williams fan and should go to Williams fan page? Suzie be here alot longer than you, Ferrari fan and a Felipe fan.

Thanks Rob :-)

[Kingdom Hearts]

Great job by Fernando, happy for Massa and Kimi..... I don't know what the hell is he doing, let's hope he bring some good points tomorrow.

[Senna4Ever]

as it is Austrian Grand Prix, like Austrian would say: tuats ned streiten ... means: do not contend, so much positive things today ... it isn't worth ...

[Suzie]

This was nice to see
https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/480343406276001793

:-)

[Kingdom Hearts]

This was nice to see
https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/480343406276001793

:-)

indeed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqqFx9gCIAAfwpy.jpg:large

[Nero Horse]

Well 4th place to start from is actually pretty good, great job by Fernando, as per usual. Too bad Kimi didn't quite get it together in Q3, but 8th place ain't that bad either, hopefully he can make up some positions in the race tomorrow and bring home some good points. Forza Ferrari!

[Kristof_F40]

This was nice to see
https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/480343406276001793

:-)

Indeed, so much respect and passion.. These moments are insane.. Also 2012 Brazil at the end of the race, Felipe and Fernando hugged, it's so great.. I actually miss Felipe..

[Gould]

Excellent excellent job done by Williams, I am very pleased for them!!! FA did his usual impressive best performance, dragging the car up to 4th :)

[FerrariF60]

This was nice to see
https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/480343406276001793

:-)

that's fantastic Suzie...one can see that ALO is really happy for Felipe and why woudn't he be??? he really deserves it after all the BAD luck he's had at Ferrari

and this is off topic, i personally THINK that Fernando deep down prefers Felipe more as a teammate tehn Kimi....but that is just me, i guess

[Senna4Ever]

This was nice to see
https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/480343406276001793

:-)

:thumb
and once again I ask myself how good Fernando must be acting as everybody knows he is an :furious (bad team player) ... if we believe the media

[LivingHitokiri]

Apparently Raikkonen got a flat spot on his car in q3 and he hopes the tyres can be changed.
I wonder tho, arent the drivers forced to use Q2 tyres?

[Grillo]

I never thought Massa wasn't a competitive driver. His problems at Ferrari were more down to an uncompetitive car and a very good teammate.

[Hermann]

So it seems a lot of ppl here say Massa deserved that pole, how about Fernando, he has done nothing to deserve it? or what? Thought this was a Ferrari forum...

[zike]

did we close the gap or this track is to short for the standard 1 sec gap?

[Kristof_F40]

Apparently Raikkonen got a flat spot on his car in q3 and he hopes the tyres can be changed.
I wonder tho, arent the drivers forced to use Q2 tyres?

Indeed

[Kristof_F40]

did we close the gap or this track is to short for the standard 1 sec gap?

Short track, Mercs underperformed, but we used working parts so.. But probably it's also the straights which benefit Williams and hurt RBR, Silverstone will be a different story. I hope we do well there, big chance that RBR will be very good there

[Hornet]

So it seems a lot of ppl here say Massa deserved that pole, how about Fernando, he has done nothing to deserve it? or what? Thought this was a Ferrari forum...

I don't understand your point. No one is saying Alonso is worse just because he is behind Massa. Ferrari did not have the pace to match the Williams or Merc, so we got the position we are in now. Want pole? Improve the car and take it on track.

Massa did a perfect job of getting the best out of that Williams and it was enough to give him pole position, so he deserve it, no?

[vcs316]

If not Red Bull, its Williams who take advantage of the Mercs choke up. When will Ferrari get its car right? 2015, 2016... 2020? I honestly thought Ferrari would get their car & engine sorted by Canada/Austria as promised by LdM. This is the last time I believe anything said by him!

[Stormy]

If not Red Bull, its Williams who take advantage of the Mercs choke up. When will Ferrari get its car right? 2015, 2016... 2020? I honestly thought Ferrari would get their car & engine sorted by Canada/Austria as promised by LdM. This is the last time I believe anything said by him!
lol, i stopped beliveing long time ago, words out of him dont mean much to me, less talking more doing.

[Alonso14]

So basically people that leave our team start to shine again (Massa, Costa, Smedley), but while they are here, they struggle. Ferrari must be cursed or something :-??

I wouldn't say Smedley was doing a bad job for us. And Felipe hasn't really improved, IMO. He is the same driver, his car is just superior and easier to driver than what Ferrari gave him in the past 4 years.


If Williams have high tire deg it would be good for Alonso.....P3 maybe

Don't have any illusions, we don't have the pace nor the straight line speed to overtake. P6-P7 is what we have to expect.

[FFFerrari]

Well that was quite out of the ordinary for a qualifying. P4 because Hamilton couldn't complete a lap, otherwise it would have been "the norm" for Fernando once again. I understood that Kimi had a problem with the last tyre set, he was pretty lucky to get P8. For the race we are likely fighting for P5 to P7 as I really can't see us keeping Hamilton behind us. But anything can happen, lets hope it will.

Forza Ferrari!

:ferrarifl

[Lesky]

lol. Kimi with a failure of some sort again. Does he have a different quality of car than Alonso or is he just damn unlucky?

[Kingdom Hearts]

lol. Kimi with a failure of some sort again. Does he have a different quality of car than Alonso or is he just damn unlucky?


He had no failure, he made many mistakes, including a flat spot in his first lap.

[vcs316]

lol, i stopped beliveing long time ago, words out of him dont mean much to me, less talking more doing.

Yeah, I would love it if there was radio silence from Ferrari for a couple of weeks and then they arrive on track and blow everyone away!

[Kyss4k]

Had to do volunteer job with children today, so missed the quali, but what a results! Congrats to Felipe, I feel so happy for him. Awesome! And Alonso in 4th is great as well, even though it's .5s behind the Williams.

Can't wait to download and watch the quali myself.

[Red is Best]

Had to do volunteer job with children today, so missed the quali, but what a results! Congrats to Felipe, I feel so happy for him. Awesome! And Alonso in 4th is great as well, even though it's .5s behind the Williams.

Can't wait to download and watch the quali myself.

Wow, second row is a fantastic result. We could be in for a podium tomorrow.

[Kyss4k]

Well, I don't know how good is Williams in long runs (hopefully they sorted out their tyre issues), but they are super fast on straights. So if Massa or Bottas won't make any mistakes and will run with solid strategy, one of them could win it. Pumped for tomorrow.

[f300v10]

Top speed of the F14T was more competative today, at 319.2 Kimi only 2.2 KPH behind Lewis, 0.8 KPH behind Rosberg. Massa on top at 327.5, RedBull down at 312.7.

Pos No Driver Time of Day Speed
1 19 Felipe Massa 14:39:50 327.5
2 77 Valtteri Bottas 14:39:43 323.1
3 11 Sergio Perez 14:06:35 322.7
4 44 Lewis Hamilton 14:31:33 321.4
5 27 Nico Hulkenberg 14:04:55 321.1
6 22 Jenson Button 14:39:36 320.2
7 6 Nico Rosberg 14:40:01 320.0
8 20 Kevin Magnussen 14:31:30 319.6
9 7 Kimi Räikkönen 14:16:42 319.2
10 25 Jean-Eric Vergne 14:39:47 319.1
11 14 Fernando Alonso 14:07:53 317.3
12 26 Daniil Kvyat 14:39:41 317.1
13 99 Adrian Sutil 14:08:10 315.5
14 13 Pastor Maldonado 14:39:48 314.3
15 21 Esteban Gutierrez 14:15:18 314.2
16 3 Daniel Ricciardo 14:38:58 312.7
17 1 Sebastian Vettel 14:39:30 312.6
18 10 Kamui Kobayashi 14:05:56 311.6
19 8 Romain Grosjean 14:30:30 311.3
20 4 Max Chilton 14:04:52 309.8
21 17 Jules Bianchi 14:06:47 309.6
22 9 Marcus Ericsson 14:16:41 309.2

[Nero Horse]

lol. Kimi with a failure of some sort again. Does he have a different quality of car than Alonso or is he just damn unlucky?

Kimi flat spotted his tyres in Q3 and then it's very difficult to set a fast lap time, but it seems to me that he's just not comfortable with this year's car. I think he's going through pretty much the same thing that Vettel is going through, they just can't get used to the way this year's car handles, with less downforce and new PU. Ferrari has tried to help Kimi get more comfortable, by bringing different updates just for him, but there hasn't been much improvement thus far. Hopefully soon Kimi together with the team will sort out those issues and gets better. We have seen glimpses of Kimi's true speed in some races, but just not consistently enough yet.

[Nero Horse]

Well, I don't know how good is Williams in long runs (hopefully they sorted out their tyre issues), but they are super fast on straights. So if Massa or Bottas won't make any mistakes and will run with solid strategy, one of them could win it. Pumped for tomorrow.

Pumped for what? Williams' win? :roll ...or what?

[Alonsomaniac]

Shame I couldn't watch qualy today..........but second row is quite good! Let's see what Fernando can do tomorrow, and please Kimi....stay close to Fernando okay?:-D

To Felipe I say this: Well done, well deserved, you are still a great driver and a fantastic character! Have a good race! (but I still hope Ferrari finishes in front of you....:lol )

[Alessandra]

At last! Finally managed to remember my password! Sitting in a hotel in France so unable to see quali. on tv but always great to follow the quali thread here.
What happened to LH and where's Rosberg? All sounds good for tomorrow so good luck to Fernando and as for Felipe, I can't begin to imagine what his feelings are!

[hogo]

Read Alonso's interview and I couldn't agree with him more. Ferrari will be falling places instead of climbing above P4. We will probably see similar disaster to the one we had in Canada.

[DIEK]

Indeed, so much respect and passion.. These moments are insane.. Also 2012 Brazil at the end of the race, Felipe and Fernando hugged, it's so great.. I actually miss Felipe..

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperF1 2 min
ALO: "I always said that Felipe was very, very fast. Not many people believed me, but I still think he was the fastest team mate I had"

[Lesky]

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperF1 2 min
ALO: "I always said that Felipe was very, very fast. Not many people believed me, but I still think he was the fastest team mate I had"

Lol at Fernando :-) Did he forgot the rookie Hamilton beating him in his prime years? I strongly dislike Hamiltons attitude, but there is nothing to suggest Massa is quicker than him, not even close.

[R Ginart]

Ferrari should expect to finish about 37 seconds behind the winner on Sunday. How about that Williams on pole and Ferrari still looking for its firts pole in many years!

[stefa]

So many praises for other teams/drivers, it is not that I am not gentleman but isn't this Ferrari forum?

[Nero Horse]

So many praises for other teams/drivers, it is not that I am not gentleman but isn't this Ferrari forum?

Yes, my thoughts exactly!

[Suzie]

Yes, my thoughts exactly!

It is pretty easy to support and discuss all things Ferrari while at the same time talking about other teams/drivers and giving credit where it's due, no?

[FerrariF60]

So many praises for other teams/drivers, it is not that I am not gentleman but isn't this Ferrari forum?

i know where u coming from, believe you me, i TOO would have liked to see a fast Ferrari on POLE....but since we're not there yet this year, at least lets cheer for someone other then Merc's on pole and for a different winner other tehn Merc

massa looked really good so congrats to him

[stefa]

It is pretty easy to support and discuss all things Ferrari while at the same time talking about other teams/drivers and giving credit where it's due, no?

Yes, to the extend....

[Rob]

Yes its a Ferrari forum, but this is Ferrari/F1 quali thread. I think its very childish and school boy/girl attitude to say that if you show support/congratulate another team/driver you dont belong in our gang. Come on people. I praise, show respect to other teams (enemy) for beating us, or getting a win/pole after many many years. Doesnt make you a worse supporter for saying well done, or discussing the achievement. Its F1, part of what this forum is, Ferrari and F1 news.

[hogo]

Lol at Fernando :-) Did he forgot the rookie Hamilton beating him in his prime years? I strongly dislike Hamiltons attitude, but there is nothing to suggest Massa is quicker than him, not even close.

lol at you. Hamilton is overrated. And sure Alonso knows better than you or British media that loves little Lewie so much.

[Hornet]

So many praises for other teams/drivers, it is not that I am not gentleman but isn't this Ferrari forum?

Being a Ferrari fan doesn't mean we cannot praise other teams or drivers when they have done a great job. I do not want to be a bitter fan who hate everyone else just because they are our competitors. I want to see Ferrari compete with good sporting spirit, and congratulates our competitors when they have done a better job.

I'm glad Alonso is showing such sportsmanship. He doesn't sulk being beaten by his former team mate, instead he offers praises for Massa. Such sportsmanship is coming from Ferrari's own driver, and so whats wrong if the fans show similar attitude? ;-)

[Nova]

WOW, A Williams front row. Never saw that coming. At least we will have some different fighting in the race. Not bad Q from Ferrari.
Tires are still an issue..they shouldnt be.
I look forward to podium..I think we can do it.
PS: Good job from Felipe..he will not give up top spot easily. Really surprised at RB.

PPS: This is a Ferrari FORMULA ONE site..feel free to praise other teams n drivers...actually, no one has a problem bashing them. Have a nice day.

[Senna4Ever]

Lol at Fernando :-) Did he forgot the rookie Hamilton beating him in his prime years? I strongly dislike Hamiltons attitude, but there is nothing to suggest Massa is quicker than him, not even close.

:Hmm
:crazy
We know it already that you have some sort of issue with Alonso ...



lol. Kimi with a failure of some sort again. Does he have a different quality of car than Alonso or is he just damn unlucky?

Have you asked same question when Irvine or Rubens always went short against Schumacher ... ? I guess not ...

[wisepie]

Ferrari forum or not, I'm ecstatic for Felipe and the usual praise is due for Fernando, compared to the Williams the F14-T looked a real handful so we're lucky that we have him and at least he's not starting 5th again. Fernando's gesture hugging Felipe was really touching and little Felipinho was so proud of his Dad! I'm crossing everything for a result that will please us all, and what a recption Felipe got from the crowd too, he's still so popular, really quite emotional....:pray

[Kyss4k]

Pumped for what? Williams' win? :roll ...or what?

For that we may get good racing...

[Kyss4k]

So many praises for other teams/drivers, it is not that I am not gentleman but isn't this Ferrari forum?

You know, I mostly agree with you mate, but what is wrong for being happy for a driver, that used to drive for us for a very long time, to finally get a pole? I was happy when Michael finally climbed a podium in Korea as well... in Mercedes!

[Tifoso]

9th and 11th? :-s
C'mon 2015 :-s

[Kyss4k]

9th and 11th? :-s
C'mon 2015 :-s

Are you cheering for Lewis and Jenson? :-D

[Tifoso]

*throws up uncontrollably*
:-D

[DIEK]

Lol at Fernando :-) Did he forgot the rookie Hamilton beating him in his prime years? I strongly dislike Hamiltons attitude, but there is nothing to suggest Massa is quicker than him, not even close.

Perhaps the sabotage he suffered in Mclaren this year was taken on consideration, or maybe it's simply psychological warfare with Raikkonen, the truth is I don´t know... :-D

[gjoko-mkd]

:clap

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[Nova]

:clap

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Nice!!

[Greig]

Just watched qual, no real surprise from us but well done Felipe, seems some on here are a bit upset that they are finally realising Felipe really was not the reason we did not win races and titles :-)

[racingbradley]

Felipe's pole just show what we have been missing the last few years.. Did you see his son and wife running to meet him, the emotion that is envolved, also the fact that everyone seems to love Felipe being on pole.. It's this emotion and character in racing drivers that we have been missing the last years (Seb, but also Lewis (he Always wants to be a "cool gangstah", and Nico (who care more about how is hair is))

What I loved was the Ferrari guy who arrived at the Williams garage before Felipe even got to meet Raffa and his son, Obviously he was one of Felipe's engineers at Ferrari. :-D

[fratelliferrari]

What I loved was the Ferrari guy who arrived at the Williams garage before Felipe even got to meet Raffa and his son, Obviously he was one of Felipe's engineers at Ferrari. :-D

That was a highlight for me as well! I really hope I can see that shot back soon on the internet :clap

[Tifoso]

I want this win for Felipe as I have never wanted a non-Ferrari win :-)

[REDARMYSOJA]

I want this win for Felipe as I have never wanted a non-Ferrari win :-)

I'll be away in the morning, so of all the races I decided to miss. :doh

I hope I have a nice surprise when I watch the replay later tomorrow though.

[DIEK]

Austrian GP: Fernando Alonso salutes Felipe Massa pole

By Andrew Benson

Ferrari's Fernando Alonso paid tribute to former team-mate Felipe Massa after the Williams driver took pole for the Austrian Grand Prix.
Massa, who joined Williams after four years alongside Alonso at Ferrari, beat team-mate Valtteri Bottas to take his first pole since the 2008 Brazilian GP.
"I always said Felipe was a very, very fast man," Alonso said. "Not many people believed me.
"But I still think he was probably the fastest team-mate that I had."
Among his team-mates in a 13-year career, Alonso has also partnered Lewis Hamilton, who beat Massa to the 2008 title, and is this year joined by 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen, who he has out-qualified six times in eight races and beaten in every grand prix.

"Definitely Felipe struggled in the last four years because we knew that we were not super-competitive," said Alonso, who qualified fourth behind Mercedes' Nico Rosberg.
"Now he has a very fast car, he enjoyed today and I congratulate him and am happy for him after the tough moments we lived together in the last four years. But tomorrow I hopefully finish in front of him and not behind any more."
Massa said he believed the move to Williams had been good for him.
"I had a great time with Ferrari," Massa said. "I'm not a guy who is trying to speak bad about the past. I have had an incredible time in my past and I really enjoy everybody from Ferrari, but I feel that sometimes a change helps.
"Always when you are in the same place for many years... also I had a difficult moment as well, you know, it was good to have a change.
"I really feel happy with Williams, with really great people.
"They really believe in my job, they really believe in what I say and I think that's really positive. It makes me feel better, it makes me feel very important inside the team."
Williams head of vehicle performance Rob Smedley, who also joined from Ferrari for this season, said: "Fernando is an incredible competitor; really one of the very best drivers of all time."
So having Fernando Alonso as your team-mate is never easy, as Kimi's finding out now.

Massa's last pole came in 2008, a year in which he qualified fastest on six occasions
"We all know that Kimi is an incredible driver. But Fernando just delivers and it's not just weekend in, weekend out, it's session in, session out.
"The guy hardly ever puts a foot wrong. And that puts you under pressure. It's normal when you have to battle against somebody who is so very good that you do feel pressure.
"Here we have a more equal pairing between the drivers and that has helped Felipe to relax a little bit and to relax into his role."
Massa said Williams would find it hard to hold off Rosberg and team-mate Lewis Hamilton, who starts ninth, in the race on Sunday.
"We cannot forget what Mercedes have been doing until now this season," he said, in reference to their domination.
"We cannot forget that they didn't have a clean qualifying either.
"I think we will see a very strong Mercedes [in the race], so we need to be ready for everything. We need to be ready also that finishing behind them is still an incredible job for us

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/27957343

:lou:

[Alonsomaniac]

Just watched qual, no real surprise from us but well done Felipe, seems some on here are a bit upset that they are finally realising Felipe really was not the reason we did not win races and titles :-)

:clap

[Nero Horse]

For that we may get good racing...

...And for a possible Ferrari podium? ;-)

[scuderia_nano]

P4 unexpected but not unbelievable with Fernando Alonso.
Kimi Raikkonen throws up no surprises considering oue car's original conditions

Massa's pole another testimony of The HuGe failure and rutthole that the most naturally untalented absolutely useless and a couple of other adjectives and swear words that Stepheno Domenciali IS.

[Alonsomaniac]

Massa's pole another testimony of The HuGe failure and rutthole that the most naturally untalented absolutely useless and a couple of other adjectives and swear words that Stepheno Domenciali IS.

Is this really necessary? :-!

[Suzie]

What I loved was the Ferrari guy who arrived at the Williams garage before Felipe even got to meet Raffa and his son, Obviously he was one of Felipe's engineers at Ferrari. :-D

I'm not sure but I think he might actually be on Alonso's side of the garage... I know the guy you mean and at the end of Brazil last year there was a clip of him looking like he was crying while talking to Rob at the end of the race.

[Suzie]

I'll be away in the morning, so of all the races I decided to miss. :doh

I hope I have a nice surprise when I watch the replay later tomorrow though.

I don't think a win is on the cards tbh, I'd say Alonso has as much a shot at the podium as Felipe does.

[NickEice]

Anyone know what combination of parts we raced? Engine cover, wheel nuts, sidepod airflow conditioner, monkey seat/lip?

[Cemz85]

I also want to know if we ran our updates for qualifying. I know we didn't run the monkey seat for qually

[Hornet]

P4 unexpected but not unbelievable with Fernando Alonso.
Kimi Raikkonen throws up no surprises considering oue car's original conditions

Massa's pole another testimony of The HuGe failure and rutthole that the most naturally untalented absolutely useless and a couple of other adjectives and swear words that Stepheno Domenciali IS.
How does Massa scoring a pole proves that he's a failure?

Your extreme hatred for him is illogical at this point and you are only make yourself look foolish

[Rishu]

Yesterday tried few laps on my gaming console, it's a difficult circuit compared to what it looks. P4 is a good starting position but podium will be a long shot still. I am so happy for Massa & agree with Alonso that he is right up there, just needs good equipment.

And what about Sir Frank Williams? He has seen so many bad seasons in recent past, good for the old legend to see his team locking the front row

[scuderia_nano]

How does Massa scoring a pole proves that he's a failure?

Your extreme hatred for him is illogical at this point and you are only make yourself look foolish

Massa was removed by Stephano. Either I am foolish or Stephano is. Obviously do consider Stephano was fired midway.

[Kyss4k]

...And for a possible Ferrari podium? ;-)

I will believe that when I see it. I honestly think Mercs will eat us alive and we won't probably be able to overtake Williams. Let's see, anything can happen.

[hogo]

How does Massa scoring a pole proves that he's a failure?

Your extreme hatred for him is illogical at this point and you are only make yourself look foolish

Stefano couldn't build a winning team hence why he's a failure and all what scuderia_nano said is justified.

I am not Massas fan (in fact I don't like him for his discontent about orders that Ferrari gave him, he's not a teamplayer, ego is too big) but I know that he was representing Ferraris real pace in races and quali. This is how our team would look without Alonso. We would be somewhere alongside Mclaren or even in a worse shape.

[fratelliferrari]

Stefano couldn't build a winning team hence why he's a failure and all what scuderia_nano said is justified.

I am not Massas fan (in fact I don't like him for his discontent about orders that Ferrari gave him, he's not a teamplayer, ego is too big) but I know that he was representing Ferraris real pace in races and quali. This is how our team would look without Alonso. We would be somewhere alongside Mclaren or even in a worse shape.

Felipe not a teamplayer?? You are joking I hope!

[Kristof_F40]

Stefano couldn't build a winning team hence why he's a failure and all what scuderia_nano said is justified.

I am not Massas fan (in fact I don't like him for his discontent about orders that Ferrari gave him, he's not a teamplayer, ego is too big) but I know that he was representing Ferraris real pace in races and quali. This is how our team would look without Alonso. We would be somewhere alongside Mclaren or even in a worse shape.

His ego to big???? You should watch Brazil 2007, without Felipe Kimi wouldn't be a World Champion, also watch Brazil 2012, Fernando was struggling really bad at a certain point in the race, Felipe was right behind him, the way Felipe positioned his car was really spectacular, he was really defending Fernando from getting past. There ofcourse a lot more moments, but the fact that he sacrifices a great result at his home GP, which is very important to him, for his teammate... Felipe is a teamplayer and did a lot for Ferrari! His points were the points the Ferrari deserved to get, Fernando, in one way or the other, got so much extra out of it, he IS the best driver on the grid and he definitly is amongst the greatest of all time, a shame that he has been suffering with an avergage car for so long in his carreer...

[Senna4Ever]

It is a beautiful morning here in Graz, so it should be in Spielberg as well (only 74km away)
and summer wind brings some taste of interesting race in the air ... :clap

Forza Ferrari ...

[stefa]

It is a beautiful morning here in Graz, so it should be in Spielberg as well (only 74km away)
and summer wind brings some taste of interesting race in the air ... :clap

Forza Ferrari ...

You are not going to the race?

[Hornet]

Massa was removed by Stephano. Either I am foolish or Stephano is. Obviously do consider Stephano was fired midway.
I'd imagine Luca DM is the person who makes the final decision regarding drivers lineup.


Stefano couldn't build a winning team hence why he's a failure and all what scuderia_nano said is justified.

I am not Massas fan (in fact I don't like him for his discontent about orders that Ferrari gave him, he's not a teamplayer, ego is too big) but I know that he was representing Ferraris real pace in races and quali. This is how our team would look without Alonso. We would be somewhere alongside Mclaren or even in a worse shape.

Massa is actually the most loyal team player Ferrari have seen. No driver is required to be happy about team orders, as they are sacrificing their own race after all, but in the end, he did what he have to do.

But I don't really see any discontent from him regarding team orders. In fact, he had several time said he will help Alonso if he was in the position to do so. One of the biggest sacrifice he had to make was in Austin GP where his gearbox was broken to take a 5 place penalty, again no complain by him.

[Senna4Ever]

You are not going to the race?

No,

a) I have to save money for my marriage
b) I don't give RedBull one Single Cent
c) I just avoid big crowds where the biggest part are Germans and Austrians with RedBull team wear ...
d) when they started the sale of the tickets there was just so a big hype about it so a decided not to play the game along. And after that I haven't really cared about it as I would like to be on different circuits.

The next circuits I will join is SPA or Monza ... and maybe somewhere far over the globe (Canada, Australia).

[stefa]

No,

a) I have to save money for my marriage
b) I don't give RedBull one Single Cent
c) I just avoid big crowds where the biggest part are Germans and Austrians with RedBull team wear ...
d) when they started the sale of the tickets there was just so a big hype about it so a decided not to play the game along. And after that I haven't really cared about it as I would like to be on different circuits.

The next circuits I will join is SPA or Monza ... and maybe somewhere far over the globe (Canada, Australia).

Congratulations on your marriage! I am in that boat for 12 years now, with two beautiful girls! So proud of them!
I am traveling every year since 1995, when I was for the first time at GP race, to Hungaroring. It is around 450Km from Belgrade to Budapest. I am enjoying it... For the past few (more than few) years I am not enjoying results, but anyway I like all that traveling, going to circuit... This year I am not going. I am disappointed with F1 in general, and than again Ferrari is very poor this year, again, and I am traveling on that same day 27th of July to Greece for Summer holiday. But! There is always but... I am going to season finale in Abu Dhabi :-D

[DIEK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BquG4NtIgAAU392.jpg

Good morning! Strategy meeting... @AussieGrit pic.twitter.com/n8tBj9xbva

[Rosso Corsa]

I'm happy for Felipe too, but I still hope we beat him today. I think we could actually win this. The Williams and Merc ahead of us could easily bunch up and lose time playing the offensive/defensive dance. If the opportunity presents itself, Fernando is the man to take it.

[Senna4Ever]

Congratulations on your marriage!
I am going to season finale in Abu Dhabi :-D

Thanks
I was in Budapest 3 years ago. Nice to go there because there is only you and the track and nature: build your tend, build up the grill and keep the beer cold (which isn't easy as it is always so hot there). And If you have ever been at the Budapest Grand Prix you can't figure out what the real problem was with Austrian Grand Prix as the infrastructure is by far better there, even Spielberg isn't really big. But who understands Mr. Bernie ...

Our honeymoon will bring us to Dubai ... And I'm playing with thoughts to have trip to Ferrari World ...

[Senna4Ever]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BquG4NtIgAAU392.jpg

Good morning! Strategy meeting... @AussieGrit pic.twitter.com/n8tBj9xbva
:clap

[Jas]

So happy for felipe, no offence to raikonene, we know how tallented he is andrhe car is not to his needs but like everyone with these regs, everyone has started from scratch, if felipe produces these results heads will be asked! Wheter we can rectify this situation for 2015 i really do not know

[Alonso14]

Yes its a Ferrari forum, but this is Ferrari/F1 quali thread. I think its very childish and school boy/girl attitude to say that if you show support/congratulate another team/driver you dont belong in our gang. Come on people. I praise, show respect to other teams (enemy) for beating us, or getting a win/pole after many many years. Doesnt make you a worse supporter for saying well done, or discussing the achievement. Its F1, part of what this forum is, Ferrari and F1 news.

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/32225-Canadian-GP-2014-Race-Thread?p=847357#post847357) some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

[stefa]

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/32225-Canadian-GP-2014-Race-Thread?p=847357#post847357) some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

******** moves in mysterious ways!

[mark p]

Stefano couldn't build a winning team hence why he's a failure and all what scuderia_nano said is justified.

I am not Massas fan (in fact I don't like him for his discontent about orders that Ferrari gave him, he's not a teamplayer, ego is too big) but I know that he was representing Ferraris real pace in races and quali. This is how our team would look without Alonso. We would be somewhere alongside Mclaren or even in a worse shape.

That does not make sense. Alonso is part of Ferrari team so what he does in a Ferrari is Ferrari's true pace or can we say RedBull are rubbish it is only Newey or Merc are not good it is only the engine department? The highest place Ferrari is a reflection of the cars true pace not the slower one.

[Hornet]

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/32225-Canadian-GP-2014-Race-Thread?p=847357#post847357) some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

How does congratulating Massa makes it a hot topic? We congratulate other drivers all the time, when Schumi got his pole with Merc, many congratulate him too.

In Canada however, some people were so fixated on bashing Massa, they kept banging on and on about the accident.

[Kristof_F40]

That does not make sense. Alonso is part of Ferrari team so what he does in a Ferrari is Ferrari's true pace or can we say RedBull are rubbish it is only Newey or Merc are not good it is only the engine department? The highest place Ferrari is a reflection of the cars true pace not the slower one.

I don't think that's correct, perhaps we could have gone faster so, it's not a reflection. The car in it self has certain capabilities, how fast is it around a corner (downforce level in different kind of corners) how fast is it on a straight etc. The driver in it self also has some capabilities. The point of F1 is the combination, the combination is not just an addition, it's an integration. Look at Vettel, he did a good job the last few year, now RIC does a much better job. Why? Seb doesn't like the car now and doesn't find a way to cope with it, RIC does. A car can be capable of doing a certain speed for sure, but the question his how easily can the car doe that lap time, if a car is every unstable, the car in itself has difficulty to go around a track very fast and only in the hands of a very good driver it will be able to do such a performance. So for sure every speed a car does is a speed the car is capable of doing, but that doesn't mean it is Obvious. Fernando seems to be able to extract everything out of a certain package, where others often fail to do so. Does that mean that our car has been a very good car over the last few races? Since we were fighting for WDC in 2010 and 2012 and we finished second in 2013? I don't think so, Fernando was able to extract everything out of it, and making the car shine more than it should be.. Kimi is struggling, not because he's a bad driver, because the car isn't that good

[anacleto]

If not Alonso , great to see Massa on pole. Alonso may very well win but Massa on pole is great. Vettel 13th is also very great!! Williams, not Merc on pole or 2nd!! F1 is great.

[Greig]

I'm a bit perplexed. 2 weeks ago it was a big deal that (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/32225-Canadian-GP-2014-Race-Thread?p=847357#post847357) some us discussed the Perez-Massa incident. Now it's okay?

The post was not discussing Massa v Perez though was it, try harder next time you try to score a point.

[Forzi]

This forum and some people are a lil bit too strict. What's the big deal about congratulating another driver? I personally wouldn't mind if we even had people here that are not fans of this team we have today, just so they don't start bashing it, just stating their views in a not agressive manner. People have cheered for, criticised and discussed about people that are no longer here for many many years, yet we constantly hear, year after year, some other people saying that they shouldn't do it for whatever reason. What's so bad about that? Will you die off if it's not all about Ferrari in the every single comment? Never really liked the strictness of speech, it's a free world isn't it? People shouldn't get their panties in a twist if they see a few comments not entirely about our current team. It's not like threads are being made or hijacked, it doesn't threaten this forum in any way. Just grab a pint or glass of wine, and chill sometimes. Let people be happy with a comment or two about a driver they adore. Why give a damn? :-)

[hogo]

That does not make sense. Alonso is part of Ferrari team so what he does in a Ferrari is Ferrari's true pace or can we say RedBull are rubbish it is only Newey or Merc are not good it is only the engine department? The highest place Ferrari is a reflection of the cars true pace not the slower one.
It doesn't make sense to you cos you think Alonso is as good as any driver but no better. I on the other hand think that he is the best driver Ferrari has ever had since I started watching this sport (even better than MS).


To all those that disagree with my comment about Massa. He did what was expected of him, any kind of disobedience would have costed him his job. But he was quite open in the interviews and such that he dislikes team orders. Also remember Germany and "Alonso is faster than you"? Yeah he made us look bad. But I agree that he's probably one of the best nr2 drivers Ferrari has ever had (again since I started watching this sport thats about 20 years)

[mark p]

It doesn't make sense to you cos you think Alonso is as good as any driver but no better. I on the other hand think that he is the best driver Ferrari has ever had since I started watching this sport (even better than MS).


To all those that disagree with my comment about Massa. He did what was expected of him, any kind of disobedience would have costed him his job. But he was quite open in the interviews and such that he dislikes team orders. Also remember Germany and "Alonso is faster than you"? Yeah he made us look bad. But I agree that he's probably one of the best nr2 drivers Ferrari has ever had (again since I started watching this sport thats about 20 years)

Alonso is part of the team what he achieves is what Ferrari achieve no point trying to seperate them. Same as Newey at RedBull. Having the best driver is great just as RedBull have the best designer.

[Nero Horse]

I on the other hand think that he is the best driver Ferrari has ever had since I started watching this sport (even better than MS).

I strongly disagree with that statement. Schumi was, is and always will be the best. But Alonso is certainly an amazing driver as well, the best among the current generation for sure.

[anacleto]

I have to agree with hogo, Alonso is the best Ferrari ever had. Schumi had the best car, Ross ,Todt and wing man Rubens at his command 24/7 and still lost to Alonso twice. Today Alonso with just the best car [ equal say to Merc] would be unbeatable without the team orders from todt and Ross that Schumi had in his favor. And we know for sure Kimi will never become Rubenized for Alonso to win. Alonso for sure is the best ever @ Ferrari. We just need " The Car ! "

[Nero Horse]

I have to agree with hogo, Alonso is the best Ferrari ever had. Schumi had the best car, Ross ,Todt and wing man Rubens at his command 24/7 and still lost to Alonso twice. Today Alonso with just the best car [ equal say to Merc] would be unbeatable without the team orders from todt and Ross that Schumi had in his favor. And we know for sure Kimi will never become Rubenized for Alonso to win. Alonso for sure is the best ever @ Ferrari. We just need " The Car ! "

Yeah, cause Alonso never had any "wingmen" helping him and no team orders either, right lol? You obviously never saw Michael drive or you just have a very short memory. And he didn't have the best car when he came to Ferrari, far from it, and still he pulled off absolute miracle drives, like the one in Spain '96 in heavy rain and with a malfunctioning engine and still won and almost lapped everybody. You should really watch some races with Schumi and do a research into his career, and then you'll surely understand what kind of an amazing and superb driver he really was, complete master. But anyway, arguing about it is pointless, I'm just glad that such great drivers like Schumi and Alonso have driven for Ferrari and provided so many moments of excitement and happiness. For me, Schumi will always be the best driver of all-time, but if you think it's Alonso then fine, that's your opinion.

[Greig]

I have to agree with hogo, Alonso is the best Ferrari ever had. Schumi had the best car, Ross ,Todt and wing man Rubens at his command 24/7 and still lost to Alonso twice. Today Alonso with just the best car [ equal say to Merc] would be unbeatable without the team orders from todt and Ross that Schumi had in his favor. And we know for sure Kimi will never become Rubenized for Alonso to win. Alonso for sure is the best ever @ Ferrari. We just need " The Car ! "

I would not say 2005 was anything of a fight between MS and Alonso, so you could say he lost 1 time in 2006, but then you could say Alonso lost to MS a whole lot more....

[Alonsomaniac]

To me it is all very clear....:-D

Schumacher is the most succesful driver of all times, Alonso matches him in talent and skills, both are among the best drivers but there is only one driver who made me shiver when he was racing and to me he still is the best I ever saw, Ayrton Senna.

[Brembo]

To me it is all very clear....:-D

Schumacher is the most succesful driver of all times, Alonso matches him in talent and skills, both are among the best drivers but there is only one driver who made me shiver when he was racing and to me he still is the best I ever saw, Ayrton Senna.

I also think Ayrton was the best ever. I remember reading where Prost said " The worst nightmare in F1 is seeing that yellow helmet in his mirror ! "

[Majki2111]

Maybe you all are forgeting something. Maybe this F1 can't show talent of driver same as Senna's F1. I'm pretty sure Senna would not be dominant in this F1 and would not be always fastest and would also be beaten by team mate.

[Hornet]

Well we can never determine who's the best driver of all time. All we can know is which driver stands out among their generation. Senna, Schumi, and Alonso, these drivers were the best of their generation. Who's better than who, we'll never know as they come from different generation, the cars and competition were different.

[Brembo]

Maybe you all are forgeting something. Maybe this F1 can't show talent of driver same as Senna's F1. I'm pretty sure Senna would not be dominant in this F1 and would not be always fastest and would also be beaten by team mate.
When Senna drove he was not in a designated #1 spot with any team. So your right, Fi now is not the same. And Senna taking team orders would never happen. I'm pretty sure Senna would be the top driver today given a top car not a dog. And yes, Alonso would be the one to give him a run for the money.