Hungarian GP 2014 Saturday Qualifying Thread

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Discuss it

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Hopping for rain

[elnano98]

Hopeful both Alo & Rai will be in top 5, i think it is possible

[Hornet]

My prediction is under normal situation, we will take P7 and P8.

The Red Bulls and Williams seem to be faster than us on 1 lap pace.

[stefa]

My prediction is under normal situation, we will take P7 and P8.

The Red Bulls and Williams seem to be faster than us on 1 lap pace.

Agree

[shamim179]

Rain will not help us. Our car isn't great in the rain.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Rain will not help us. Our car isn't great in the rain.

but williams has less pace in rain.that will help us

[shamim179]

Agree

Our grid positions should get steadily worse as the season continues as we have stopped developing the 2014 car to focus on the 2015 car. 2nd to 4th in the WCC is there for the taking so the other teams in that fight will continue to fight. We'll be lucky if we finish 5th or higher in the WCC. If it wasn't for Massa's mistakes, Williams would have more points than us and we'd have fewer.

[crn12]

My bet is rain or shine we would be in P5 & P8

[fratelliferrari]

Forza Ferrari!!!

[Senna4Ever]

:ferrarifl
come on guys

[fratelliferrari]

Pretty cloudy at the moment. Lower temperatures suit us better right? I heard Kimi say yesterday that he had difficulties with the Medium tires.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Our grid positions should get steadily worse as the season continues as we have stopped developing the 2014 car to focus on the 2015 car. 2nd to 4th in the WCC is there for the taking so the other teams in that fight will continue to fight. We'll be lucky if we finish 5th or higher in the WCC. If it wasn't for Massa's mistakes, Williams would have more points than us and we'd have fewer.

from where did u read that stopped developing

[bonzo]

Anyone betting that both cars will reach Q3?

[elnano98]

Maldonado. Again

[ManFromMilan]

Hoping for p4 to 6, but expecting p6 to 8.

I am sure that we will do better if it is wet, whether that be qualy or the race.

:ferrarifl

[elnano98]

Hamilton, so P6, P7

[Rishu]

Oh dear what's up with Hamilton & Qualifying?

[bonzo]

Hamster burning

[fratelliferrari]

Bye bye Lewis :rotfl

[Lesky]

Oh dear what's up with Hamilton & Qualifying?

The races too, Mercs reability is a complete joke!

[Rishu]

Bye bye Lewis :rotfl

I feel for him. He has had terrible bad luck compared to Rosberg.

[elnano98]

We are slow, Kimi seem slow again in Qualifying

[Kiwi Nick]

Merc need to be a bit more subtle in how the sabotage Hamilton's car.

[stefa]

This is LH WDC hopes goes up to smoke....

[bonzo]

Looks like hamster batteries caught fire

[zike]

Rai wont make Q3

[bonzo]

Merc need to be a bit more subtle in how the sabotage Hamilton's car.
:rotfl

[elnano98]

P5 is maximum today for Alonso

[stefa]

Rai wont make Q3

Now Q2 looks like mountain high

[bonzo]

Hamster problem is the same as the Dreamliner -LiIon batteries catching fire.

[LivingHitokiri]

Wow this is bold for keeping Kimi inside but i guess with Hami and Maldonado out of the picture there isnt much danger.

[LivingHitokiri]

Wow we are out

[Ed Harley]

Oh dear.

[stefa]

amateurs!!!!

[elnano98]

Damn Raikkonen

[stefa]

unbelieviable. How many times more? Will they ever learn?

[stefa]

Wow this is bold for keeping Kimi inside but i guess with Hami and Maldonado out of the picture there isnt much danger.

How ironic.... and than to be beaten by JB

[Lesky]

Oh dear.

And thats the understatement of the century!

[theforce]

Ferrari's miserable form of strategy at its best...

[bonzo]

We are a joke! Who is the superb tactics engineer to keep kimi in the box???? There are a bunch of incompetent people in Ferrari who MM has to get rid of immediately!!!:furious

[Rishu]

What a big price to pay trying to save one set of softs

[Aberracus]

Kimi was good at FP3 what is he doing there? What are we thinking?

[elnano98]

The Ferrari driver academy member knocks out the Ferrari driver. Good

[zike]

We just got burn by Marusia.....wow just wow

[Alonso14]

Can we just take Bianchi and put him in a Ferrari for Q2 onwards?

[Alessandra]

Who's decision was it for KR not to go out again?!!!!

[Rob]

Kimi was good at FP3 what is he doing there? What are we thinking?

that we were safe, but it has backfired. Get work by Jules getting into Q2.

[stefa]

We are a joke! Who is the superb tactics engineer to keep kimi in the box???? There are a bunch of incompetent people in Ferrari who MM has to get rid of immediately!!!:furious

Then who knows how many will be kept....

[ManFromMilan]

First big disappointment of qualy

That is a bit amateurish to be honest.

[Ed Harley]

IMHO this decision of not running more was not a very bright one.

[LivingHitokiri]

How ironic.... and than to be beaten by JB

Seriously, im not sure what the heck is going on with our team, thats just plain bad.

[hakanabi]

Well done pitfall well done. I am speechless

[Gould]

Well done SF!!!!! Come on, I was sitting here for at least 5 minutes shouting "send Kimi out"!

Bunch of fools. Kimi included.

[red power]

We are a joke! Who is the superb tactics engineer to keep kimi in the box???? There are a bunch of incompetent people in Ferrari who MM has to get rid of immediately!!!:furious

Incompetent fools, poor Kimi.

[Senna4Ever]

okay ... it is a miscalculation of the pit crew ...
but on the other hand ... with only 3th slower than Alonso we wouldn't be in that mess too ...

[stefa]

I am so glad that I am not this year at Hungaroring to watch THIS!

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Lost in gambling. `kimi

[WS6TransAm01]

So I started watching late and could not understand why Kimi was out. I guess, based on the comments the pit wall screwed the pooch again. Wonderful. &$@#ing amateur hour! I just want to scream!

[Alonso14]

Who's decision was it for KR not to go out again?!!!!

You want names?

Kimi has to take big portion of the blame himself. 7 tenths slower than Fernando in the same conditions is pretty bad.

[bondilad]

Well..... atleast he has 3 brand new softs:-D

[FranksterGM]

Look on the bright side.... Raikonen beat Hamilton in qualifying.

[Ed Harley]

You want names?

Kimi has to take big portion of the blame himself. 7 tenths slower than Fernando in the same conditions is pretty bad.
Not doing another run is rather bad for trying to improve your time.

[ManFromMilan]

Look on the bright side.... Raikonen beat Hamilton in qualifying.


Yes he did:-D

[bonzo]

I am so glad that I am not this year at Hungaroring to watch THIS!
So what? Ferrari engineers are getting theis fat paychecks regularly, stupid miscalculations notwithstanding!!

[stefa]

So what? Ferrari engineers are getting theis fat paychecks regularly, stupid miscalculations nothwothstanding!!

So I have saved money, time and nerves. And won't be burned by the Sun!

[zike]

Time to go Fry

[bondilad]

Look on the bright side.... Raikonen beat Hamilton in qualifying.

Good one!!

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Force india engineers have something in their head.hulk and jules welldone

[Kiwi Nick]

New strategy? The Scuderia is an embarrassment. This should insure that Alonso can exercise his kickout.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

So I have saved money, time and nerves. And won't be burned by the Sun!

saved tires too.keep it give back to pirelli and take bonus of tire saving team in this fuel saving era

[ManFromMilan]

This Lewis Hamilton Show on Sky really irritates me. Sky makes me want to stop watching F1.:furious

[LivingHitokiri]

I dont understand , we knew during whole practice sessions that Kimi struggles with medium but is ok with softs, so, why the heck we didnt let him do another run,especially when you know that hulk would improve after his mistake, get Kimi out and secure the position....

[WS6TransAm01]

This is just embarrassing. How many times have they screwed up in the exact same way. How can they do the same thing and expect a different result? Insanity!

I love this team but they have become a joke, a shriveled up, empty husk of a once great empire.

[bondilad]

So P5 is the maximum I guess. Please prove me wrong.

[Alesi1]

How have red bull found all this time to be only a few tenths off merc????? fishy

[Senna4Ever]

where do RB and Merc just pull out those times ...

[elnano98]

Alonso is sitting in pit. Again?

[stefa]

where do RB and Merc just pull out those times ...

From their great cars opposite to F14T

[LivingHitokiri]

How have red bull found all this time to be only a few tenths off merc????? fishy

This circuit suits Red Bull big time thats why they are closer than usual.

[Gerard]

Watching the quali on TV. Do you also hear an echo on the engine sounds and the team radio?

[FerrariF60]

How have red bull found all this time to be only a few tenths off merc????? fishy

their AERO is really, really GOOD....all they're missing is power from that crappy RENO engine....if they had an Merc engine they would have blown Merc's pace by FAR....that is SCARY....

[bonzo]

So P5 is the maximum I guess. Please prove me wrong.

P7

[Senna4Ever]

How have red bull found all this time to be only a few tenths off merc????? fishy

1) Hungarian circuit doesn't need that much power ... so the big Merc advantage is gone ...
2) still improving the car
3) fastest in the slow part of the circuit with the many turns ... so plenty good aero as always

[Rishu]

Alonso should abort this lap

[ManFromMilan]

P7


Should be P6, maybe higher with some luck....

[FerrariF60]

so looks liek Massa has woken up again to take P5...

if he keeps this up, unless Fernando finds or pulls some magic out of that F14T MULE, P6 is teh best he will do...let's hope for some luck...we deff want P5 as it's teh clean side

[bonzo]

I dont understand , we knew during whole practice sessions that Kimi struggles with medium but is ok with softs, so, why the heck we didnt let him do another run,especially when you know that hulk would improve after his mistake, get Kimi out and secure the position....
This is beyond the mental abilities of simple fans that we are. The pitwall "gurus"won't even try to explain it to ignorents like us:-D

[Rishu]

P7

I'd say P6 & could be even P5 with little bit of luck

[Senna4Ever]

I place my bet
- Ros
- Ric
- Vet
- Bot
- Mas
- Alo

[Alesi1]

still don't get it, our engine is supposed to be at least the equal of the renault but their chassis is that much better, how ordinary are we then.

[stefa]

I place my bet
- Ros
- Ric
- Vet
- Bot
- Mas
- Alo

I agree with you

[Gerard]

I simple 'yes' or 'no' would be nice.

[ManFromMilan]

Rain:clap

[FerrariF60]

I place my bet
- Ros
- Ric
- Vet
- Bot
- Mas
- Alo

yup, this is true and at the same time SAD, really really SAD

let's hope Ferrari will be able to erase all this bad reputation, work really hard at all fronts, aero, engine, strategy and come out as a WINNER come 2015 Australia

i'm sure all DIE HARD Ferrari fans all all WAITING FOR THAT DAY TO COME, ME INCLUDED...

[WS6TransAm01]

still don't get it, our engine is supposed to be at least the equal of the renault but their chassis is that much better, how ordinary are we then.

Unfortunately, we are less than ordinary this seasons. I was hoping to be wrong, but I firmly believe now that we will have a winless season. :-(

[Kiwi Nick]

Alonso can thank Merc for sixth over seventh. Ferrari are clearly fourth best car, even in the hands of Alonso. So, the F14T may be equal to or even worse than Macca.

[elnano98]

Rain is falling

[FerrariF60]

RAIN COMING....YES

[ManFromMilan]

Ferrari slow to react:-E

[LivingHitokiri]

RED FLAG

[elnano98]

RED flag

[bonzo]

With Mag put Alo will get P6

[Senna4Ever]

Boom

[WS6TransAm01]

Hahahah rain really started as Ros went to hit the breaks for T1. Almost like clockwork.

[elnano98]

Lucky for Rosberg

[Rob]

Ferrari slow to react:-E

?

[Rishu]

Damn red flag, we could have done well had Alonso managed to even just complete the lap somehow

[FranksterGM]

Well that's 9th for Ferrari at least..

[ManFromMilan]

?



Should have tried to get Fernando first in the queue;-)

[bondilad]

Time to see what our can do in the rain.

[Rob]

Should have tried to get Fernando first in the queue;-)

yes, but, Red Bull done same with Vettel, if conditions change and dry near end, would be in good place to put in a surprise fast lap.

[Alesi1]

crap car in the dry aint gonna be better in the wet sorry guys

[Rishu]

Hulkenberg says of turn 1 is negotiated, rest of the lap is good for slicks

[FerrariF60]

Time to see what our can do in the rain.

NOT much me thinks....if you have a car that is crap in the dry, well it will most likely be crap in the rain....but ALO seems to me able to work around that, so we'll find out soon

[ManFromMilan]

yes, but, Red Bull done same with Vettel, if conditions change and dry near end, would be in good place to put in a surprise fast lap.



Doesn't matter now.:-P

[Senna4Ever]

rethink my bet ...
with Rosberg maybe not risking all it might be a RB ...

[bondilad]

NOT much me thinks....if you have a car that is crap in the dry, well it will most likely be crap in the rain....but ALO seems to me able to work around that, so we'll find out soon

My bad. I should have mentioned alonso....

[ManFromMilan]

crap car in the dry aint gonna be better in the wet sorry guys



Alonso in the wet could be mighty

[bondilad]

Isn't williams bad in the rain ??

[FerrariF60]

looks like the WET drama is gone...track is pretty dry

[Alesi1]

Alonso in the wet could be mighty
The man is always mighty, but rocking up to a high noon gun fight with chopsticks is impossible.

[ManFromMilan]

The man is always mighty, but rocking up to a high noon gun fight with chopsticks is impossible.


Also true:roll

[ManFromMilan]

Alonso P2

[FerrariF60]

that red bull i middle sector is MIGHTY....thank god teh dont' have teh MERC engine

[ManFromMilan]

Alonso P5, well done champ:clap

[Rishu]

Well done Alonso. He beat at least one Williams

[elnano98]

As expect

[FerrariF60]

so P5 is not taht bad for ALO....but my GOD that red bull is FAST.....

I really, really hope we're working FLAT OUT on the 2015 car, engine, aero and what not....because this year FERRARI IS NOWHERE

[FerrariF60]

Alonso P2

THAT'S a good joke or dream you have mate....NOT even the strength and talent of ALO cannot comprehend for teh MULE he's driving this year

SAD BUT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Senna4Ever]

such a pity ...
also not a clean lap from Alonso either ...

At least Dr. Marko and Horner can be happy again with their diva ...
what a wonder: rumours about Vettel got offer from Merc / McL-Honda and might leave and now ahead of Ric ...

[bondilad]

Really good job by alonso. Hope it rains around this time tomorrow.

[bonzo]

so P5 is not taht bad for ALO....but my GOD that red bull is FAST.....

I really, really hope we're working FLAT OUT on the 2015 car, engine, aero and what not....because this year FERRARI IS NOWHERE
Same hopes for several years now. Outcome from bad to worse...

[red power]

5th or 6th or lower is the best this box of manure can finish, what great piece of engineering this car is. Thank god we have Alonso. 33rd time Alonso has started 5th.

[ManFromMilan]

THAT'S a good joke or dream you have mate....NOT even the strength and talent of ALO cannot comprehend for teh MULE he's driving this year

SAD BUT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Ahhhhhhh(facepalm)

At that time he was P2. Of course nobody then believed he would just stay there.

[FerrariF60]

such a pity ...
also not a clean lap from Alonso either ...

At least Dr. Marko and Horner can be happy again with their diva ...
what a wonder: rumours about Vettel got offer from Merc / McL-Honda and might leave and now ahead of Ric ...

SO you think they're altering with Ricciardo's car if they're smelling that their golden boy PETtEL thinks about changing ships??? it's a possibility especially since Ricciardo has beaten up Petel in almost every quali this year


...but who cares what the heck they're doing at Red FOOLS....all i care about is my team doing so crappy this year, and cannot wait until we're BACK AT THE TOP....

[Hornet]

Good drive by Alonso to take P5, at least we're ahead of one of the Williams.

Too bad about Kimi's strategy, I think it was a risk we didn't have to take considering the situation we're in. I totally understand what they were aiming for, to have 2 soft for Q3, but I think we're in a situation where priority should be to to get Kimi into Q3 first.

But I guess on the flip side, we can't blame the team for taking risk, we're not exactly fighting for any titles.

[FerrariF60]

5th or 6th or lower is the best this box of manure can finish, what great piece of engineering this car is. Thank god we have Alonso. 33rd time Alonso has started 5th.

WOW. that is some record....i'm sure that US fans and including Fernando wanted to have some better quali positions this year, but when u're given a MULE to to do your quali, not even a MASTER like Fernando can do something special in it....but believe you ME he's still not giving up and doing HIS UTMOST TO SQUEEZE EVERY BIT OF PERFORMANCE out that DONKEY

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Sat on the naughty step
1.kimi
2.kyvat
3.manguseen

[Kingdom Hearts]

Good job Fernando, Kimi was for me 50/50, his fault for the slow lap and the team's fault for being to confident. Congrats to Jules too.

[ManFromMilan]

WOW. that is some record....i'm sure that US fans and including Fernando wanted to have some better quali positions this year, but when u're given a MULE to to do your quali, not even a MASTER like Fernando can do something special in it....but believe you ME he's still not giving up and doing HIS UTMOST TO SQUEEZE EVERY BIT OF PERFORMANCE out that DONKEY



Why so agro Buddy? Venting just won't help the team or Fernando

[Gould]

I would hate to lose Fernando but I would understand if he left Ferrari. He has given us his best years, simply outstanding driving. But then we're stuck with Kimi. If I were MM I would be looking at Kvyat and/or Ricciardo.

[Hornet]

Marco straight said no comment and walk off from Ted when asked about Kimi, lol

Anyway Alonso explained that they saw Lewis and Pastor out, so they figured that they just had to beat the Marussia and Caterham. Ferrari certainly didn't expect Marussia would be able to beat our time.

[Rosso Corsa]

Good drive from Fernando. Should be another spicy race with lots going on :-)

[ManFromMilan]

Marco straight said no comment and walk off from Ted when asked about Kimi, lol





That is what Ted's journalistic talent deserves:rotfl

ps. glad Marco ignored him otherwise his next question would have been does he think Merc is sabotaging LH's car and if he is also shedding a tear for him

[stefa]

Good drive from Fernando. Should be another spicy race with lots going on :-)

Don't think so. Hungaroring is the MOST boring track/race ever!

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Why f14t comes backward and other improves even chaterham started to improve,to beat maurissia who were 1.5 sec slower than them at starting

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

they didn't miss judged maurissia.they missjudged JULES the young ferrari driver

[bondilad]

Marco straight said no comment and walk off from Ted when asked about Kimi, lol

Anyway Alonso explained that they saw Lewis and Pastor out, so they figured that they just had to beat the Marussia and Caterham. Ferrari certainly didn't expect Marussia would be able to beat our time.

Given the fact it's not a very long lap and kimi being at the bottom they should have anticipated something like this. Our engine isn't good, overtaking is hard, so basically kimi will have a hard time. But I wonder who's call it is.

[zike]

Given the fact it's not a very long lap and kimi being at the bottom they should have anticipated something like this. Our engine isn't good, overtaking is hard, so basically kimi will have a hard time. But I wonder who's call it is.

If it was Frys, than it is the second time this season

[Domo-kun]

Asking this again and again...
Why Kimi was not sent on track again? What is going on at Ferrari? o_O;
I am starting to believe the rumours that Alonso can resign if Ferrari is not top 3 in the manufacturers series and thus Kimi is kept away from the points..

It sounds so rediculous that it effing starts to make sense, since Kimi is not THAT bad driver.. O_O;;
(personal opinion)

When Kimi, after two years of rallying, came back to F1 to drive to Lotus... He had issues with the power steering. Lotus did all they could and Kimi performed well.
Then he came back to Ferrari, and we (personal view) all felt that now we'll get at least the manufacturer's championship (well, I was "sure" of that at least).
But the performance he has delivered is FAR from what we (I personally) expected.. What the F is going on?!?! o_O

[fratelliferrari]

I feel for him. He has had terrible bad luck compared to Rosberg.

Uhhm I don't at all! I jump of my seat everytime he crashes/DNF!
Never liked him and will never like him!

[Hornet]

Asking this again and again...
WhyKimi was not sent on track again? What is going on at Ferrari? o_O;
I am starting to believe the rumours that Alonso can resign if Ferrari is not top 3 in the manufacturers series and thus Kimi is kept away from the points..

It sounds so rediculous that it effing starts to make sense, since Kimi is not THAT bad driver.. O_O;;
(personal opinion)

When Kimi, after two years of rallying, came back to F1 to drive to Lotus... He had issues with the power steering. Lotus did all they could and Kimi performed well.
Then he came back to Ferrari, and we (personal view) all felt that now we'll get at least the manufacturer's championship (well, I was "sure" of that at least).
But the performance he has delivered is FAR from what we (I personally) expected.. What the F is going on?!?! o_O

Right, so Ferrari is trying to intentionally screw up the WCC so Alonso would leave?

Kimi wasn't sent back out because the team never thought a Marussia would be faster. With Lewis and Pastor out, they just had to cover Marussia and Caterham

[Nova]

Yea, but these r experienced people..u always cover yourself...dont take anything 4 granted.
There was either something wrong w/Kimi's car, or someone made a total bonehead call.
Thought those days were over...guess again...

And what do we put RB's performance momentum to? Is it aero, track, or did Reno come up w/something that we havent?

[NasI]

Why our front wing is so basic? What are they doing at the factory all this time?

[F1NAC]

Why our front wing is so basic? What are they doing at the factory all this time?

Because it is hard to balance rear and front downforce. Maybe our wing is doing pretty good job. Transfering load around the tyre. Producing vortices to the bargeboards etc.

[REDARMYSOJA]

they didn't miss judged maurissia.they missjudged JULES the young ferrari driver

I think so too. This makes the third time this season Bianchi has beaten Kimi. Twice in the Marussia, today and at Monaco, and one when he drove the Ferrari at the Silverstone test, his times were just a tick under Alonso's P1 and P2 times and better than Kimi's P1 and P2 times.

I say take a chance and put the kid in Kimi's seat.

[Ed Harley]

It doesn't really matter who sits in the car which the team forgets/fails/misjudges the situation to send out.

Mr Mattiacci has a big job to do when even basic team functions do not seem to work.

[Domo-kun]

Right, so Ferrari is trying to intentionally screw up the WCC so Alonso would leave?
Kimi wasn't sent back out because the team never thought a Marussia would be faster. With Lewis and Pastor out, they just had to cover Marussia and Caterham

Kimi's time was not that good...
Really ... Kimi's time was NOT that good.
Even I, with my racing experience from couple of IRL carting sessions and many, many GT5 sessions could clearly see that.. :P

And that tinfoil-hat -thingie...
Yeah..
But still!! We all (I think) know that Kimi is better than these results have shown! FAlonso could be better, but the difference between these two is redicilous right now!
Kimi was closer to Alonso when he was driving for Lotus for God's sake! Where did his speed go? Where?
Motivation? Yeah, he want's to WIN! Like Alonso..

I'm still wearing mah tinfoil hat. ;)
I really don't know why, I was really, really hoping for manufacturer's championship trophy this year.. Imagine my dissapointment when Kimi is failing, failing and failing again and again and again again.. :P
... dang ... :D

[Alesi1]

No conspiracy guys, the criterion for Alonso leaving was satisfied as at the German gp, he can leave now whatever happens here on in.

[Hornet]

Kimi's time was not that good...
Really ... Kimi's time was NOT that good.
Even I, with my racing experience from couple of IRL carting sessions and many, many GT5 sessions could clearly see that.. :P

And that tinfoil-hat -thingie...
Yeah..
But still!! We all (I think) know that Kimi is better than these results have shown! FAlonso could be better, but the difference between these two is redicilous right now!
Kimi was closer to Alonso when he was driving for Lotus for God's sake! Where did his speed go? Where?
Motivation? Yeah, he want's to WIN! Like Alonso..

I'm still wearing mah tinfoil hat. ;)
I really don't know why, I was really, really hoping for manufacturer's championship trophy this year.. Imagine my dissapointment when Kimi is failing, failing and failing again and again and again again.. :P
... dang ... :D

Well today's result is not about Kimi's gap to Alonso. Of course Kimi is closer to Alonso than 12 grid position.

Today result is due to the team taking a risk, and it did not work out. So you do not need to find reasons for why Kimi is that far back at P17, because the result was due to the strategy not working.

Sometimes things like that happen. Not just to Kimi but to Alonso as well. There was a race in Sepang in the rain, where Alonso had a damage front wing and the team decided not to pit Alonso because they think the wing can hold on until the pit stop to change tires. Unfortunately the wing broke off and the race was gone. It was a risk that if it worked out, Alonso could save an extra stop. But it did not work out as planned, and sometimes that happens.

[sav_pap]

Forget Nando. He is already part of another team.

[vcs316]

Can't wait for this season to end and hope+pray for a better car in 2015.

[fratelliferrari]

Forget Nando. He is already part of another team.

Didn't know you work for Ferrari

[vcs316]

Right, so Ferrari is trying to intentionally screw up the WCC so Alonso would leave?

Kimi wasn't sent back out because the team never thought a Marussia would be faster. With Lewis and Pastor out, they just had to cover Marussia and Caterham

And Kimi's time just wasn't enough. I am not blaming the strategists alone; Kimi too has an input on whether he wants to do another lap or not. Humiliated by a Marussia, really?

EDIT: Kimi did question the strategy:


Kimi Räikkönen says he repeatedly questioned Ferrari's tyre strategy in the first phase of qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix, during which he was eliminated by Marussia driver Jules Bianchi.

With Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton and Lotus' Pastor Maldonado stopping as a result of technical problems, Räikkönen and team-mate Fernando Alonso tried to get through to Q2 using only the Medium tyre.

But Bianchi found a considerable amount of time on the Soft rubber and, to the surprise of the Ferrari crew, usurped Räikkönen by 0.064s.

"The plan was to go out but the team said we were fine," he explained.

"I questioned it a few times to be 100 per cent sure. The end result is what we can see. Yesterday afternoon and this morning it was a bit difficult to get grip with the harder tyres. With the Soft it's been quicker all weekend."

Alonso enjoyed a smoother afternoon, progressing to Q3 and claiming a spot on the third row of the grid.

"In Q3 we had the rain and Magnussen's crash, but we stayed calm to get a lap together," said Alonso.

"P5 on the clean side is good for us. We have a good possibility of a result. Dry or wet, we can be competitive.

"I think we are behind Williams and Red Bull; some circuits a bit better, some circuits a bit worse. We have two Red Bulls ahead, one Williams ahead and one behind. Hopefully we can go into the battle and get some points."

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Uhhm I don't at all! I jump of my seat everytime he crashes/DNF!
Never liked him and will never like him!

why.so he is black?huh?

[fratelliferrari]

why.so he is black?huh?

No I don't like his attitude! And I don't like Vettel either at all so stop calling me a racist :-!

[ManFromMilan]

Forget Nando. He is already part of another team.



You must be a Macca-fanboy, because Fernando is out and out a Ferrari man for the next couple of years, if not longer.

So yes, forget about Fernando in a Mclaren race seat.

[sav_pap]

Didn't know you work for Ferrari
Its not necessary to work for Scuderia to know that. There are many other sources. You dont have to buy it. Take it or leave it.

[ManFromMilan]

why.so he is black?huh?



I don't like him either. He is a overrated prima donna. His attitude, as he showed it once again in Monaco this year, is why i don't like him.

[fratelliferrari]

I don't like him either. He is a overrated prima donna. His attitude, as he showed it once again in Monaco this year, is why i don't like him.

Well said mate, but some people just don't like to hear that I guess :-D

[vcs316]

Uhhm I don't at all! I jump of my seat everytime he crashes/DNF!
Never liked him and will never like him!

And I would not want him race for Ferrari. He's too "artificial".

[zike]

Its not necessary to work for Scuderia to know that. There are many other sources. You dont have to buy it. Take it or leave it.

If he leaves than he leaves, so what.....scuderia was here before him and will be after him

[Alonsomaniac]

Hm......this was eh....stupid. First of all Kimi's time was far from great, then Kimi himself expressed his worries about that and STILL they played it down. And then it was too late.
Fernando did just what he always does, so no surprise there.
Mattiaci has some work to do......first of all, always trust the intuition of your drivers, in this case Kimi. Kimi KNEW he had not driven a good lap and he felt it could just not be enough. If a driver has that feeling, it is generally the right feeling. A team should always react on that.....because now not only Kimi's race is gone, but this is also very bad for his trust in the team.
Bad move.
I myself feel sorry for Lewis. He did not deserve this. Like him or not, he is a good driver who seems to have all the bad luck.

[ManFromMilan]

Well said mate, but some people just don't like to hear that I guess :-D



Yeah, the real racists usually screams racism first, imo. Kinda like the one who farts and then asks if "anybody smells something funny":Hmm

[Alonsomaniac]

Its not necessary to work for Scuderia to know that. There are many other sources. You dont have to buy it. Take it or leave it.

Ther are many soources, yes, except one: Fernando Alonso. He said this is his last team many times and he has never withdrawn that. As long as he doesn't do that, you can have as many sources as you want, but Alonso is the only one that matters.

[RedRebel40]

We need the master tactician Ross Brawn as fast as possible!!

[Alonsomaniac]

why.so he is black?huh?

Oh come on.....:-!

[bonzo]

"Hopefully we can go into the battle and get some points". These are words of Alonso, twice WDC and Ferrari driver. Poor Alonso! What have the last 6-7 years done to you! Ferrari humiliation is complete. It is not only the car that needs redesign, it is the team first. Marco's job is a huge challenge. Crossing the jungle alone. Wish him luck!!

[ManFromMilan]

We need the master tactician Ross Brawn as fast as possible!!



With the teams doing away with just a team Principal to lead them, keep MM and also bring in Brawn and Flavio into the fold. That could be a real dream team.

[hogo]

Damn Ferrari is lazy. How else would you explain Kimis failure? Saving a set of tires? With this dog? lol...

[bondilad]

Yeah we need someone like ross brawn to find some loopholes to bring us back to the top again. Lately we are lacking in that department. It would be nice for him get back at merc for what they did to him.

[Rishu]

Uhhm I don't at all! I jump of my seat everytime he crashes/DNF!
Never liked him and will never like him!

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I personally keep my liking/disliking away from what I see on track, I have utmost respect for Lewis the driver & I also believe that if both him & Nico share same amount of luck, Lewis will come out on top.

[vcs316]

We need the master tactician Ross Brawn as fast as possible!!

We don't have Ross Brawn and might never have him again. What the team needs is good, sensible and proactive strategists.

[vcs316]

Raikkonen calls for Ferrari changes

Kimi Raikkonen has urged Ferrari to cure their "weaknesses in the system" after a qualifying gaffe left him fighting an uphill battle in Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix.

With a time on the board and Raikkonen sitting in his car in the garage, three times the Finn asked whether he was safe, and three times he was urged not to worry.

Whatever or whoever the source of the information, it proved unreliable as Ferrari academy driver Jules Bianchi in his Marussia bumped Raikkonen down to 17th at the death and out of qualifying.

Raikkonen was naturally unhappy and, although avoiding losing his temper, has urged Ferrari to clean up their act and help him through what has so far been a troubled return.

Raikkonen said: "The plan was to go out, but the team said 'no, you are fine, you do not need to go out'.

"I questioned it a few times, but they said no need, and we can see the end result.

"What happened is not good for me or the team, and although it has been a difficult year I don't see the point to shout. The mistake is done.

"I've made mistakes in the past, I will make them in the future, and people do make mistakes, but there are things we have to change to improve.

"As a team in Formula One, as Ferrari, we should not be doing these kind of things. None of us are in our first year."

Raikkonen conceded he could have over-ruled the team and insisted on returning to the track, but at the end of the day he relied on the advice afforded him.

"I trust in the team, believe in the people," added Raikkonen.

"I questioned it, but I cannot always go against advice. We are here as a team, make decisions as a team, and today the outcome was this.

"Obviously we have to improve, to do things differently because we can see there are weaknesses in the system."

Since returning to the team, Raikkonen has so far played a bit-part role as he been heavily out-qualified by team-mate Fernando Alonso and finished behind the Spaniard in all 10 races.

The 34-year-old maintains, however, that despite his problems, what is occurring has no bearing on his future.

"It will not influence my decision," said Raikkonen.

"I've a contract, I fully believe in Ferrari, I've enjoyed a lot of wins and success with them.

"It's been a difficult year, which is life. It's not fun when you have hard times, it's happened before and that's how it goes.

"We try to improve things, try to make things better all the time, make less mistakes, get the car where I want it to be to be fast again.

"I've not suddenly over the winter lost a few seconds lap time, so it's the case of putting things in the right places for me.

"Unfortunately we haven't managed to do it now and then, we are still fighting against things a lot, and the results show.

"If it were easier, as sometimes it goes, then we would be laughing, but that was not the case today, and has not been the case this year.

"As I say, I trust in the team, but there have to be changes and improvements, which can only happen if we work as a team, as a group, as Ferrari."

http://sport.bt.com/moresporthub/moresport/raikkonen-calls-for-ferrari-changes-S11363922504342?

[Lesky]

Forget Nando. He is already part of another team.

So which team will Alonso drive for next year?

[Rob]

Forget Nando. He is already part of another team.

:roll

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

So which team will Alonso drive for next year?

obvisiouly chaterham.they have even made 2 sec progress

[Nova]

Im watching Q now, as nbc sports decided to show bicycles this am.
Showed Kimi sitting in the car as Bianchi bested his time.
The words of Hobbs n Matchet..You cant do that..Dont know whats going on at
Ferrari (strategy) lately but you cant do that. Theres no time left.
And, Bianchi just tested for Ferrari and did well.

Not word for word, but u get my drift. I cant believe I read all this
we r improving and working hard, then see a bonehead call like this.
Unbelievable. They could hire anyone to make a call like that.
They could hire me, n yea, he wouldve been out there.

I know theres nothing to do about it..just wanted to get it out of my system.

[hogo]

Im watching Q now, as nbc sports decided to show bicycles this am.
Showed Kimi sitting in the car as Bianchi bested his time.
The words of Hobbs n Matchet..You cant do that..Dont know whats going on at
Ferrari (strategy) lately but you cant do that. Theres no time left.
And, Bianchi just tested for Ferrari and did well.

Not word for word, but u get my drift. I cant believe I read all this
we r improving and working hard, then see a bonehead call like this.
Unbelievable. They could hire anyone to make a call like that.
They could hire me, n yea, he wouldve been out there.

I know theres nothing to do about it..just wanted to get it out of my system.

Yet people continue defending Pat Fry here, but guy is making one mistake after another.

[paolo lalli]

What a group of stoooooges poor kimi

[radosav]

So Alonso took off his bandage and came fifth :-)

[Kiwi Nick]

These Ferrari press releases are delusional. At least Ferrari are taking the blame for keeping Kimi in the garage.

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/hungarian-gp-fernando-fifth-kimi

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/hungarian-gp-kimi-raikkonen-looking-ahead

[stefa]

So Alonso took off his bandage and came fifth :-)

Banzai!

[stefa]

Can't wait for this season to end and hope+pray for a better car in 2015.

Samo old story for how many seasons in the past?

[bonzo]

These Ferrari press releases are delusional. At least Ferrari are taking the blame for keeping Kimi in the garage.

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/hungarian-gp-fernando-fifth-kimi

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/hungarian-gp-kimi-raikkonen-looking-ahead
Pathetic! Marco, fire the sporting director immediately. And Kimi's race engineer for that sake.

[bonzo]

THE TEAM NEEDS CLEANSING FROM THE MEDIOCRE STAFF. TODAY.

[NickEice]

Im watching Q now, as nbc sports decided to show bicycles this am.

Qualifying was on CNBC. They even ran a warning on the bottom line from 7:55-8:00 saying tune to CNBC. NBCS also shows every session live online. If you want you can watch every session all year live.

[vecchiasignora]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

[evo_spook]

Oh come on.....:-!

I don't know, the thing is the ones that complain about he's attitude, seem not to care about others attitudes that are no worse or better, some one mentioned monaco as bad, you really think Alonso was any better when MS pulled the same stunt? People make excuses for the ones they like while slamming the ones they already don't, its shameful.

[Ealdfrith]

Two great drivers, excellent mechanics, super dedicated pit crew... and a gazillion idiots in the strategy department.

Seriously, what the hell is going on?!?

[Ealdfrith]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

That is literally the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

If it wasn't for Fernando we would be struggling to have a car in Q3. Do you think the fake champion would do better than Kimi? Or Hamilton? HA.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Fake champ?

[Kingdom Hearts]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

ignorant, and this is not the place for people like you, you will be at home in leo's turrini blog.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Alonso starts from clean side of track.what does it mean.can anyone help?

[Hornet]

ignorant, and this is not the place for people like you, you will be at home in leo's turrini blog.
Maybe he is Turini, lol. They both live in a strange parallel universe.


Alonso starts from clean side of track.what does it mean.can anyone help?
The starting grid position is arranged in such a way that even number is on one side of the track, and odd number is on the other side of the track. During racing, the cars only take one line known as the racing line, down the straight. So the starting side that is on or near the racing line is cleaner than the other side, as there is more rubber on the racing line, and the dust and rubber bits are pushed to the side (the dirty side).

Usually, the even number is on the clean side of the track, the side where the racing line is. So P5, an even number, is on the clean side.

This of course is assuming that there is no heavy rain before race day. Heavy rain will wash away any rubber on the racing line and it will be more neutral if it rains.

[vcs316]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

Why so much hatred towards a driver outperforming the car's capability? You appear to be an ALO hater.

[vcs316]

Samo old story for how many seasons in the past?

2015 is make or break for us. We can change 90% of the engine, get our car in order - pull rod, push rod or just whatever rods they wanna go with. Ferrari better come up with a championship challenger next year. Its hard to see our drivers struggle for want of a better & faster car.

[Alesi1]

Why so much hatred towards a driver outperforming the car's capability? You appear to be an ALO hater.

Vecchiasignora - typical, blamealonso for Kimi qualy mess. Imagine where we would be without him. Don't forget Kimi has 0 points based on the previous points system!

[Alesi1]

Two great drivers, excellent mechanics, super dedicated pit crew... and a gazillion idiots in the strategy department.

Seriously, what the hell is going on?!?
:lol

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Two great drivers, excellent mechanics, super dedicated pit crew... and a gazillion idiots in the strategy department.

Seriously, what the hell is going on?!?

nothing is going on in sf.that's the problem!!

[Giallo 550]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

This is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read this year.

[stefa]

This is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read this year.

We should praize him/her with the trophy for the MOST dumbest post ever!

[stefa]

What is the weather like in Budapest? Here in Belgrade 370Km from Budapest it heavy raining since 11 pm last night...

[vcs316]

http://in.weather.com/weather/hourByHour/Budapest+BU+Hungary+HUXX0002:1:HU

Nice and sunny right now but chances of T-Storm at 2PM local time

[ManFromMilan]

http://in.weather.com/weather/hourByHour/Budapest+BU+Hungary+HUXX0002:1:HU

Nice and sunny right now but chances of T-Storm at 2PM local time



Lets hope for rain, but not a storm. Even light drizzle could work.

[vcs316]

Lets hope for rain, but not a storm. Even light drizzle could work.

anything that works in our favor is most welcome - rains, storms, floods, hedgehogs :-D

[Brembo]

why.so he is black?huh?

Haaaaaaamiltons mom is white ! Maybe he's prejuduce against white folks? :rotfl

[Brembo]

Rain is falling

Hey! " Ciao Ciao Bambina, the rain is falling! " is a famous Italian song. You just brought Ferrari good luck ! I hope.

[F1NAC]

What is the weather like in Budapest? Here in Belgrade 370Km from Budapest it heavy raining since 11 pm last night...

In croatia aswell

[Stebandelareina]

We should praize him/her with the trophy for the MOST dumbest post ever!

Don't feed the troll

[Brembo]

You want names?

Kimi has to take big portion of the blame himself. 7 tenths slower than Fernando in the same conditions is pretty bad.

Kimi's car vs. Alonso's car can never be thought of as the same conditions. Just 7 tenths is a miracal ! What's pretty bad is Kim's equipment. His car is a Bow wow.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Kimi's car vs. Alonso's car can never be thought of as the same conditions. Just 7 tenths is a miracal ! What's pretty bad is Kim's equipment. His car is a Bow wow.

are you jealous?, do you want another prize?.

[ManFromMilan]

This is quite possibly the dumbest post I have read this year.


The dumbest post this year...so far.

5915

[Hornet]

Kimi's car vs. Alonso's car can never be thought of as the same conditions. Just 7 tenths is a miracal ! What's pretty bad is Kim's equipment. His car is a Bow wow.

Why would Ferrari not want Kimi to score points. C'mon, we have to start making sense and not make up wild conspiracy theories. Lets not turn into Lewis fans who are willing to believe anything including the German conspiracy against Lewis. :-E

[Alonso14]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

100% agreed! Damn you, Fernando!! Ruining Pat Fry and Nick Tombazidis' phenomenal work on the chassis. And don't get me started on Marmorini's engine, that thing easily dominate the Merc engine with only 3 cylinders running.




Kimi's car vs. Alonso's car can never be thought of as the same conditions. Just 7 tenths is a miracal ! What's pretty bad is Kim's equipment. His car is a Bow wow.


Partially I agree. They are obviously driving different cars. Fernando's car is generally going forwards while Kimi's is sideways/backwards more often than not.



http://squirrelstreams.com/?p=74

Link for Sky Sports F1 with decent quality (HD with Portuguese as well). GP2 race currently. Marciello P11 currently

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

German conspiracy against lewis with last incident has been become stronger than ever.if it repeats the consequences will be beyond merceedez hand

[TonyRizza]

lets hope its not a conspiracy theory, lets hope its true, rather nico than lh anyday

[zike]

In croatia aswell

In Sarajevo to

[hogo]

ever since alonso joined, its always the team the problem. its always massa, its raikkonen, its domenicalli..we will keep changing over and over.. and get nowhere until Alonso is gone.

You mark my words, day alonso is gone..is day we will regain our glory days.

lol... You know what, I would like to see Alonso skipping one race weekend. Then you would see where we really are.

[vecchiasignora]

That is literally the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

If it wasn't for Fernando we would be struggling to have a car in Q3. Do you think the fake champion would do better than Kimi? Or Hamilton? HA.


No man, last year kimi at this stage of the season was 2nd with lotus..and alisson.
This year Massa is doing better then what he was doing with us last year.

We can sit down , change drivers change engineers princiapsl and all...keep alonso and we are in same trouble . Thats what we basically been doing last 5 years here..

glorify alonso, sack everyone..change drivers..change engineers..change everything ..and nthg.No results.
How about an unbias look, and think for second Alonso is the problem.
He is holding this team up as far as am concerned.

[vecchiasignora]

lol... You know what, I would like to see Alonso skipping one race weekend. Then you would see where we really are.

let him skip a half-season, and look where we would be..when we work for the 2 drivers.
I bet, raikkonen would pull similar to irvine when schumacher got injured . difference is schumacher >>>>>>>>>>> alonso ... alonso doesnt deserve such preferential treatment.

[TonyRizza]

not sure how anyone can blame alonso, being one of the best drivers if not the best driver on the grid he is keeping Ferrari in the top 5, KR is a former champion and struggles to break into the points this season with a highest finish of 7th i believe. Without alonso being 4th in the WCC would be a dream, where would we be 6th? lower? who knows, all i know is the only reason Ferrari has any sense of dignety at this moment is FA, alisson gets a bigger input for the 2015 car so lets hope he can turn our fortunes around and give FA and KR a car they can win with, like he did in lotus

[Senna4Ever]

No man, last year kimi at this stage of the season was 2nd with lotus..and alisson.
This year Massa is doing better then what he was doing with us last year.


you could be glad that posting isn't related to some kind of logical test in advance ...

And Bottas is doing far better than Massa ... so it tells nothing
And where is Lotus this year
and what is the input of Allison into this years car as he arrived late last year ... and this project was going on since 2 years
and you already know that Allison also worked with Alonso too at Renault ...

sorry so much crap I haven't read for long time ...

[Brembo]

are you jealous?, do you want another prize?.

I didn't get the first prize? So two will do fine. Yes I am jealous as all hell ! I wish I had Kimi's job foe sure. How did you know?

[Alfa159]

Two great drivers, excellent mechanics, super dedicated pit crew... and a gazillion idiots in the strategy department.

Seriously, what the hell is going on?!?

You forgot to mention the car is crap

[Brembo]

He is holding this team up as far as am concerned.

He certainly is holding this team up! Without Alonso we'd be nowhere.

[ManFromMilan]

German conspiracy against lewis with last incident has been become stronger than ever.if it repeats the consequences will be beyond merceedez hand



It is just ludicrous implying that there is anything underhanded at all.

If he is going to continue sulking and making up crap stories and rumors in the media, when and if he doesn't get his way, then i do see him loosing his seat to Vettel, as that would mean Lewis is even a bigger cry-baby than Vettel.

[Brembo]

Why would Ferrari not want Kimi to score points. C'mon, we have to start making sense and not make up wild conspiracy theories. Lets not turn into Lewis fans who are willing to believe anything including the German conspiracy against Lewis. :-E

Sorry, you misunderstood me. I never, not for a moment, thought there 's a conspiracy against Kimi. Of course Ferrari want's him to score points. His car is a bomb because they can't get it right. The name Ferrari is the same but the folks that run the show, not the drivers arejust not worth there pay.

[vecchiasignora]

If Alonso is the great driver he is, he would just jump into another better team to win. Why doesnt he? Why doesnt he if we are 6th 7th best car like some idiots claim?
Because in ferrari he is ensured of no challenger, elsewhere he wont get this special treatment we give him. He wont get this treatment in mercedes, mclaren red bull or williams.

[Alesi1]

If Alonso is the great driver he is, he would just jump into another better team to win. Why doesnt he? Why doesnt he if we are 6th 7th best car like some idiots claim?
Because in ferrari he is ensured of no challenger, elsewhere he wont get this special treatment we give him. He wont get this treatment in mercedes, mclaren red bull or williams.

Yeah I'm sure he thinks getting served up s...boxes is 'special'

[Giallo 550]

If Alonso is the great driver he is, he would just jump into another better team to win. Why doesnt he? Why doesnt he if we are 6th 7th best car like some idiots claim?
Because in ferrari he is ensured of no challenger, elsewhere he wont get this special treatment we give him. He wont get this treatment in mercedes, mclaren red bull or williams.

You are delusional.

[vcs316]

If Alonso is the great driver he is, he would just jump into another better team to win. Why doesnt he? Why doesnt he if we are 6th 7th best car like some idiots claim?
Because in ferrari he is ensured of no challenger, elsewhere he wont get this special treatment we give him. He wont get this treatment in mercedes, mclaren red bull or williams.

Are you off your meds?

[Brembo]

Are you off your meds?

La Veccia is just sooo upset that Alonso isn't winning. Alonso for sure is her favorite driver and it's hard to see him not winning. She for sure a die hard Alonso fanatic. We all want the best for him and to stay and win @ Ferrari.

[Winter]

I am so glad that I am not this year at Hungaroring to watch THIS!

:-P It was very enjoyable experience :clap

[Brembo]

It is just ludicrous implying that there is anything underhanded at all.

If he is going to continue sulking and making up crap stories and rumors in the media, when and if he doesn't get his way, then i do see him loosing his seat to Vettel, as that would mean Lewis is even a bigger cry-baby than Vettel.
Well I'm glad he got his way not moving over for Nico. Comming up front from where he started! And then to get rewarded with a team order to move over! What a crybaby!:rotfl It's only points he would be giving up !:rotfl Could it be he set his car on fire just to sulk about it? Look how many fires Nico went through and never set a word. What a crybaby!:rotfl

[ManFromMilan]

Lewis throws the car of track on the first lap and is extremely lucky not to have ended his race just there. Rookie mistake as to finish first, first you have to finish.

Safety car comes out with Nico 10 sec. in front, with him having to take another very slow lap before he can change tyres. Loses out massively. Lucky Lewis gets bumped up the field.

Verne gets to a perfect scenario where he can block Nico and halts his progress on a damp track limiting his cars advantage. Nico gets called in by the team and once again loses more positions. As he pits Verne's tyres gives up and Lewis is once again extremely lucky to get by him and make up some positions.

Nico gets close to Lewis and is told by the team Lewis will not hold you up. Lewis drives the live out of his tyres to spite his own nose to stay in front. Nico not fighting Lewis(not damaging his cars tyres in the turbulent air) as he was told Lewis will let him pass doesn't attack Lewis and stays out of DRS range.

With his tyres not giving him enough advantage anymore Nico is stuck behind Lewis untill he pits. Lewis has now driven the best his tyres had to offer and gets behind a much slower Fernando. With no more life in them attacking is not an option and he clumsily has to wait for Fernando to make a mistake. King Alonso says:" You shall not pass"

Daniel catches up to Lewis and without to much difficulty dispatches Lewis as he can't use his cars advantage on worn tyres. Infront Fernando starts to struggle with his tyres as well and Daniel gets him on the straight with Lewis watching as a spectator.

Still with the faster car Lewis gets close to Fernando again but King Alonso adamantly says:" YOU shall not pass!"

Nico with a dry track and the fastest car catches Lewis. Being a team player at Merc and not wanting to take both cars out of the race Nico wait untill Lewis makes a mistake in turn one. With fresher tyres he goes on the outside of turn two but gets driven of the track(witch is against the rules BTW) as he doesn't give a damn if the both gets taken out or not. Lewis just drives for Lewis. Screw the team.

No other place to safely pass on the last lap and Nico stays and ends the race behind Lewis.

Nico ends the race closer to Lewis than Lewis was to Fernando.

So yeah another perfect example of Lewis getting lucky in the fastest car. Nico might have been able to still win the race, but what constructor wants to win a race if they could rather just settle for Lewis getting his way and finishing third.

I'm glad Lewis was his usual ignoramus as that kept Nico on fresher tyres away from Fernando in the final few laps.

It was not a stellar drive from him and it did once again show Lewis is costing his own team in his pursuit of his own glory.

Now if you could not see that in the race then i am of the opinion that you are not cannot capable of thinking for yourself and are just a sheep that has to take Sky's extreme biased propaganda as fact.

And although you could see Nico being disappointed at where he finished the race, he did not sulk or insult Lewis or the team. Although Nico is in my opinion not a Daniel, who i would like to see at Ferrari, he is far far closer to the class that would be welcome at Ferrari that Lewis.

[mirafiori]

Lewis throws the car of track on the first lap and is extremely lucky not to have ended his race just there. Rookie mistake as to finish first, first you have to finish.

Safety car comes out with Nico 10 sec. in front, with him having to take another very slow lap before he can change tyres. Loses out massively. Lucky Lewis gets bumped up the field.

Verne gets to a perfect scenario where he can block Nico and halts his progress on a damp track limiting his cars advantage. Nico gets called in by the team and once again loses more positions. As he pits Verne's tyres gives up and Lewis is once again extremely lucky to get by him and make up some positions.

Nico gets close to Lewis and is told by the team Lewis will not hold you up. Lewis drives the live out of his tyres to spite his own nose to stay in front. Nico not fighting Lewis(not damaging his cars tyres in the turbulent air) as he was told Lewis will let him pass doesn't attack Lewis and stays out of DRS range.

With his tyres not giving him enough advantage anymore Nico is stuck behind Lewis untill he pits. Lewis has now driven the best his tyres had to offer and gets behind a much slower Fernando. With no more life in them attacking is not an option and he clumsily has to wait for Fernando to make a mistake. King Alonso says:" You shall not pass"

Daniel catches up to Lewis and without to much difficulty dispatches Lewis as he can't use his cars advantage on worn tyres. Infront Fernando starts to struggle with his tyres as well and Daniel gets him on the straight with Lewis watching as a spectator.

Still with the faster car Lewis gets close to Fernando again but King Alonso adamantly says:" YOU shall not pass!"

Nico with a dry track and the fastest car catches Lewis. Being a team player at Merc and not wanting to take both cars out of the race Nico wait untill Lewis makes a mistake in turn one. With fresher tyres he goes on the outside of turn two but gets driven of the track(witch is against the rules BTW) as he doesn't give a damn if the both gets taken out or not. Lewis just drives for Lewis. Screw the team.

No other place to safely pass on the last lap and Nico stays and ends the race behind Lewis.

Nico ends the race closer to Lewis than Lewis was to Fernando.

So yeah another perfect example of Lewis getting lucky in the fastest car. Nico might have been able to still win the race, but what constructor wants to win a race if they could rather just settle for Lewis getting his way and finishing third.

I'm glad Lewis was his usual ignoramus as that kept Nico on fresher tyres away from Fernando in the final few laps.

It was not a stellar drive from him and it did once again show Lewis is costing his own team in his pursuit of his own glory.

Now if you could not see that in the race then i am of the opinion that you are not cannot capable of thinking for yourself and are just a sheep that has to take Sky's extreme biased propaganda as fact.

And although you could see Nico being disappointed at where he finished the race, he did not sulk or insult Lewis or the team. Although Nico is in my opinion not a Daniel, who i would like to see at Ferrari, he is far far closer to the class that would be welcome at Ferrari that Lewis.

Very well said, when Nico tried to pass Lewis on the last lap, if it was not for Nico the two cars would of touched, Lewis pushed Nico out wide leaving him no space and Nico almost went off the track, if you look at Alonso's line in that corner compared to Lewis it really should of led to a penalty.

[Brembo]

You stated your case well! Lewis got up front driving like a champion that he also is. Again his team hit him between the eyes with team orders!! They got to be kidding! "Great race, great driving Lewis now move over and let Nico pass!" Forgetabout it . He refused to be Rubenized ! By the way, I think of Nico as one of the best drivers in F1. So far for me this year F1 is great. Each team for the most part lets their drivers race against each other. So besides watching who wins, we have a lot of racing going on from #2 spot down fighting for points. Remember MS parking his Ferrari on the track to mess up Alonso. SO what! We all still loved him.

[Thomm]

Why on Earth would someone let his closest rival pass him? Practically Mercedes has the constructor title in the bag already. Its insane to blame Lewis. Also if someone can only see he had luck with SC-s. Its barely equaled his Q. Btw Kimi froced Vettel off in t3 the same way ;) Both were great battles, just what people like to watch in a race.