Has Fry been sacked? [Archive] - TheScuderia.net

FerrariF60

29th July 2014, 13:14

Some speculation from Sky that Pat Fry has been sacked:

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/12474/9398765/ferrari-deny-pat-fry-has-been-sacked

i wouldn't be surprised; ever since he came on board with that crappy FRONT PULL ROD SUSPENSION idea, our form has been the shiats ever since

thank GOD we now have James Allison at the TOP of the ranks.....

Suzie

29th July 2014, 13:22

I certainly hope so. What exactly has he done for Ferrari? In the meantime, technical staff who were with the team for years - loyal people - were let go.

impactX

29th July 2014, 13:23

He was responsible for designing the F2007 clone. I cannot believe we hired this rat.

Katu

29th July 2014, 13:33

and now everyone's glad if it's true? i remember happy-happy-joy-joy mood once he was signed...

Stormsearcher

29th July 2014, 13:34

and now everyone's glad if it's true? i remember happy-happy-joy-joy mood once he was signed...

We are a positive people. :oops

Kiwi Nick

29th July 2014, 13:38

Was Fry responsible for any of the pit wall/garage strategy? If so, after this past weekends quali strategy, he should be long gone.

Meanwhile, Ferrari are denying that Fry has been sacked.:Hmm

Katu

29th July 2014, 13:41

Was Fry responsible for any of the pit wall/garage strategy? If so, after this past weekends quali strategy, he should be long gone.

what about the race strategy? that went pretty wrong as well...

Kingdom Hearts

29th July 2014, 13:52

Scuderia Ferrari @InsideFerrari · 18m

For those who ask about Pat Fry: just rumors, rumors, rumors...

Why not saying: "it's not true", is "rumors" a way to say that they will not confirm or deny it?.

Rishu

29th July 2014, 13:53

i wouldn't be surprised; ever since he came on board with that crappy FRONT PULL ROD SUSPENSION idea, our form has been the shiats ever since

thank GOD we now have James Allison at the TOP of the ranks.....

I read plenty of 'Good that conservative Aldo Costa is sacked & now we have Pat Fry' after 2011.

TonyRizza

29th July 2014, 13:59

his sacking if this is true might help but it might not, either way i think it should happen, a new structure in the scuderia is needed, MM has shown that he is making progress with the current car so hope is good for 2015, JA made lotus a low budget team compete at the front, ferrari has a much greater budget surely he could do the same for us if not better as he will have considerably better resources and personnel. will have to wait and see what the outcome is but im positive for 2015

scuderia_nano

29th July 2014, 14:21

Instesd of firing all the people who failed under Stephanos leadership, we must give then a little more chance. Though I guess Fry's time has run out and James is kind of a replacement f
of Fry

bondilad

29th July 2014, 14:32

Is he making way for Ross brawn??

Hornet

29th July 2014, 15:02

and now everyone's glad if it's true? i remember happy-happy-joy-joy mood once he was signed...
We'll see the same thing with Allison if the team doesn't win next year. Right now he's the miracle guy everyone think will single-handedly save the team, and they will change their tune soon enough.

People just have the strange desire to ask for heads

what about the race strategy? that went pretty wrong as well...
That was the decision involving Kimi's race engineer, Antonio something. Not that it's that big of the deal to be honest. Come race day, Kimi's strategy played out perfectly to get him up the grid. So the team's strategy is not as bad as what people make it out to be.

Alesi1

29th July 2014, 15:07

I was happy to hear he joined us in 2010 but must say he has been a disappointment. Pullrod since 2012 has got us nowhere. And his constant negativity has just been giving me the .....
Time to move on. Sorry but you've done nothing for us.

Tombazis must be feeling a little nervous. He's the last one left.

REDARMYSOJA

29th July 2014, 15:40

Whether this is true or not, I suspect it is just a matter of time for Pat.

Kingdom Hearts

29th July 2014, 15:57

That was the decision involving Kimi's race engineer, Antonio something.

I don't think it works that way, we have a lot of people working on the strategies, not only on the circuit but in Maranello too, is a collaborative effort.

sachin

29th July 2014, 16:05

Hope Pat goes by himself. ..secretly hoping for a long time.
And maybe news of Brawn coming soon. ;-)

Jose Lorca

29th July 2014, 16:20

Qualifying mistake aside, I don't think he's doing a bad job as engineering director. As long as he doesn't interfere with Allison's plans.

racingbradley

29th July 2014, 18:27

If he has been sacked he won't be missed!:roll

Nova

29th July 2014, 19:12

I read plenty of 'Good that conservative Aldo Costa is sacked & now we have Pat Fry' after 2011.

I always thought it a mistake to get rid of Aldo.
As soon as Ferrari let him go, Brawn picked him up.
That in itself is good enough on any resume.

On Fry..just was is it he does?

Homan13PSU

29th July 2014, 19:42

what about the race strategy? that went pretty wrong as well...

What about our race strategy was so bad? I honestly can't quite place it?

Katu

29th July 2014, 20:07

What about our race strategy was so bad? I honestly can't quite place it?

absolutly nothing wrong with that

JacKy

30th July 2014, 05:07

I wrote a long message after domenicali resinged. Basically i said what the hell is pat fry doing in this team? Apperantly noting.. I hope this news are real instead of rumors..

vcs316

30th July 2014, 05:21

Ferrari on Tuesday denied reports Pat Fry has been sacked. The Maranello team recently did not confirm speculation engine chief Luca Marmorini has been similarly ousted. Chassis chief James Allison, hard at work on the 2015 project, is undoubtedly safe, but Britain's Sky on Tuesday suggested fellow Briton Fry, officially Ferrari's engineering director, has been axed amid the team's struggles this year.

Sky said a team spokesman on Tuesday 'rejected' the reports. As recently as Sunday, former McLaren technical chief Fry was quoted officially by Ferrari as welcoming a stronger result in Hungary. "We know that there is still a long way to go, but we will spare nothing in our efforts, continuing to work hard to improve, day by day," he said. (GMM)

Alesi1

30th July 2014, 11:12

I always felt they were harsh with Aldo, so the 2011 car was woeful , but 2012 and 2014 were worse.

jragona

30th July 2014, 13:11

Ed Harley

30th July 2014, 19:52

Rob

30th July 2014, 20:31

What good would sacking Mr Fry bring? IMHO it would be better to get all existing resources to work together to necessary direction and making sure that every piece of said resources are in right place and that the resources are lead by capable person/persons. Sacking talented people left and right would just bring chaos.

Spot on, all the team and resources just need time to gell, it is doing that now. But some people just seem to impatient. I know been few years now, but all takes time to get into place.

Greig

30th July 2014, 21:05

What good would sacking Mr Fry bring? IMHO it would be better to get all existing resources to work together to necessary direction and making sure that every piece of said resources are in right place and that the resources are lead by capable person/persons. Sacking talented people left and right would just bring chaos.

If Ferrari are seeing no evidence of his "talent" then off course they will let him go (and any other) which seems perfectly normal in any business?

stefa

30th July 2014, 22:24

If Ferrari are seeing no evidence of his "talent" then off course they will let him go (and any other) which seems perfectly normal in any business?

As I have said earlier, everyone is working for the company, and if their results are not good enough for the company you are out! Simply as that!

Kiwi Nick

30th July 2014, 23:08

If Ferrari are seeing no evidence of his "talent" then off course they will let him go (and any other) which seems perfectly normal in any business?

Especially when things are not going well. Allowing things to continue without change would be irresponsible.

Brembo

30th July 2014, 23:08

As I have said earlier, everyone is working for the company, and if their results are not good enough for the company you are out! Simply as that!

That idea as good as it sounds can only work out if you have better people lined up to replace who your kicking out. That just dosen't seem to be the case so far @ Ferrari. It's now quite obvious we needed and still need folks who can sent out a faster better car and not think changing drivers is in any way the answer. IMO a real bad move would be for example putting Bianchi in Kimi's seat. It's the seat that stinks, not the driver.

jragona

30th July 2014, 23:20

http://www.formula1blog.com/f1-news/have-pat-fry-and-ferrari-parted-ways/

hogo

31st July 2014, 11:46

We are running out of time to sack Tombazi as well. Maybe he's already working on next years car and if he is, then 2015 are doomed.

Lesky

31st July 2014, 13:44

Lets sack the cleaning crew at Maranello as well, I am sure that will make a difference too ;-)

When all sacking is done I hope Mattiacci sacks himself to finish it off, that would be fun

Ed Harley

31st July 2014, 14:05

You don't work F1 and especially for teams like Benetton, McLaren and Ferrari without talent.

Everybody makes mistakes - even I may make one someday - but sacking an employee because of one mistake is not a very good solution. Instead the situation, that lead to a mistake, should be analyzed and learned from in order not to do the same mistake again. If persons do not learn from their mistakes then it is time to part ways.

Will Ferrari let Mr Fry go? I do not know. It is up to the team to see if he has what is needed to work as director of engineering.

hogo

31st July 2014, 14:54

Lets sack the cleaning crew at Maranello as well, I am sure that will make a difference too ;-)

When all sacking is done I hope Mattiacci sacks himself to finish it off, that would be fun

ha ha you are so funny! You are obviously happy with out teams performance over the last 6 years.

Lesky

31st July 2014, 16:03

ha ha you are so funny! You are obviously happy with out teams performance over the last 6 years.

I am just not convinced Mattiacci coming in and cleaning the house will be better for the team, who hired these people in the first place? Was it Stefano or a joint decision by several people? And now the same people find reason to start firing the people they hired? Or is it Mattiacci alone that that is behind every change?

You might argue since we have not won any titles, it could not get worse, time will tell!

AfterLife

31st July 2014, 17:04

Apparently all the sacking rumors about Ferrari personals become the truth.

eslam1986

31st July 2014, 17:08

i think fry is sacked as he not mention in team structure that publish today after marmorini sacked .

Ed Harley

31st July 2014, 17:15

i think fry is sacked as he not mention in team structure that publish today after marmorini sacked .
Home -> Scuderia -> management

REDARMYSOJA

31st July 2014, 17:21

I am just not convinced Mattiacci coming in and cleaning the house will be better for the team, who hired these people in the first place? Was it Stefano or a joint decision by several people? And now the same people find reason to start firing the people they hired? Or is it Mattiacci alone that that is behind every change?

You might argue since we have not won any titles, it could not get worse, time will tell!

Well, the same thing happened when Todt was first hired. He fired people left and right. We won't know if what Mattiacci is doing is the right thing to return Ferrari to the top for several seasons. Ferrari did not get into this position overnight and it will take awhile to resolve all the issues. But so far I like how Mattiacci is doing things. He's been observing and taking notes, hopefully he is seeing where the trouble lies. He is supposed to be very good at putting the right people in place, more of an organizer than anything, so we just have to hope his moves pay off.

Suzie

31st July 2014, 20:50

I am just not convinced Mattiacci coming in and cleaning the house will be better for the team, who hired these people in the first place? Was it Stefano or a joint decision by several people? And now the same people find reason to start firing the people they hired? Or is it Mattiacci alone that that is behind every change?

You might argue since we have not won any titles, it could not get worse, time will tell!

It's not like Mattiacci has come in and immediately started firing people willy-nilly. He's been in the job since April and we're only now beginning to see the changes he is making. The jury's still out on him but it does seem like he's pro-active. Clearly something in the team needs to be changed or it would be winning.

impactX

1st August 2014, 13:45

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2682460/RAIKKONEN-MAY-SIT-OUT-FERRARI-TESTS.html

Ferrari denied sacking Marmorini less than 4 weeks ago.

Bye Fry.

jragona

2nd August 2014, 23:57

It won't take long to find out, at the next race we will know if Fry is not there.

Alesi1

3rd August 2014, 01:29

I'll be interested to see whether we have front pullrod next year.

FerrariF60

3rd August 2014, 03:23

I'll be interested to see whether we have front pullrod next year.

i highly doubt it; i'm pretty sure James Allison will get RID of that and introduce push rod once again

ARUN M KARUNAN

3rd August 2014, 04:04

for recent years ferrari's engine was not a problem except 2014 which is first year of turbo era.but the chasis was the real problem.so we have to retain luca and sack fry

Brembo

3rd August 2014, 08:09

It won't take long to find out, at the next race we will know if Fry is not there.

I hope to find out sooner, but your probably righ

Calvin Steadham

8th August 2014, 15:38

Another interesting article from Sky:

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/22058/9399889/ferraris-problems-with-power---and-the-complex-deficiencies-of-the-f14-t

Sounds like they are expecting Fry to be sacked even though its not been confirmed yet. They make a good point about the engine being low on power because Ferrari favoured aero over engine, but the aero didn't turn out well enough and they have essentially ended up with a low powered car with average aero.

Signor Enzo once said 'Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines'.
I'm not sure if it's still applicable today.

Or maybe that old principle would take the Scuderia Team into winning next season.

bonzo

8th August 2014, 17:40

Go on, Marco, clean the stables from the limp horses. There is enough young talent in Ferrari and arround:thumb

harry harris

13th August 2014, 13:56

We are running out of time to sack Tombazi as well. Maybe he's already working on next years car and if he is, then 2015 are doomed.

Guys, I don't trust him Tombazis....... another big fat LIARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-!

hogo

13th August 2014, 18:39

Guys, I don't trust him Tombazis....... another big fat LIARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-!

For some reason he manages to stay untouched, despite his constant failures. It's so weird. I bet if next year car will be a dog as well, everyone will blame either LdM or MM or Alison while Tombazis will remain untouched AGAIN.

Brembo

19th August 2014, 07:43

Go on, Marco, clean the stables from the limp horses. There is enough young talent in Ferrari and arround:thumb
I have to agree wth you here. Just, please don't touch our drivers. Neither one!

BigGar32

19th August 2014, 08:32

hogo

19th August 2014, 11:08

Most of the people here were in raptures when Fry and Tomazis signed with the team. In fact, there was unbridled joy on the forum and I wouldn't be surprised if some posters actually put bunting out in the streets. How times have changed.

I wouldn't be too shocked if people are saying the same negative things about Allison in 12/18 months time.
It's foolish to compare Allison to Fry, Tombazis, SD etc. Why? He's been with not nearly as long as that lot. Give him the same amount of time as we gave Fry at least.