Mercedes rigged Italian GP race?

[steelstallions]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaon...co-Rosberg.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2747101/Lewis-Hamilton-wins-Italian-Grand-Prix-conspiracy-theorists-claim-Mercedes-rigged-race-moves-closer-Nico-Rosberg.html)


Lewis Hamilton won a controversial Italian Grand Prix that conspiracy theorists believe was rigged by Mercedes.
Triple world champion Sir Jackie Stewart joined fans on social media in questioning whether Nico Rosberg deliberately drove off the track to let Hamilton through to win to atone for causing the pair’s crash at Spa a fortnight ago.
Stewart said: ‘I thought, “hello, what’s going on here?”’ He could have at least made an effort to get round the corner but he didn’t.’

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/08/1410161983862_Image_galleryImage_Graphic_chicane_P NG.JPG

No real reason given why Nico did this twice?

[Kristof_F40]

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories like Monaco for instance. But this one really got me thinking. Team want team points and drivers are allowed to race fair. Clearly the team chose the side of Lewis in Spa and blamed Nico. They said they will take care of a punishment. But what kind of punishment would they give Nico? It's very hard to plan something like this.. Nico won 18 points on Lewis by his mistake, now he lost 7.. Also Nico saying after the race, Lewis was faster he deserved it, why not say I had problem braking in T1 and made a mistake which allowed him to pass, they both were doing almost same lap times so...

The thin that really got me thinking was the smile on Wolff's face after the pass, also Nico's behavour during the whole weekend...

[ManFromMilan]

More to the point with no real heavy lock-up? LH locked-up heavily into same corner late in the race and easily made the corner.

[Kristof_F40]

More to the point with no real heavy lock-up? LH locked-up heavily into same corner late in the race and easily made the corner.

Indeed.. For mistake of Nico I get, he didn't want to flat spot his tyre and keep his race pace, he had a gap so no real problem. But the second time, Lewis was very close, so by going off he KNEW Lewis would get past, why not try to make the corner and keep track position?

[hogo]

Why do people name a fact as a "theory". Are they blind or what?

[Ed Harley]

If it was rigged then Mr Hamilton should, IMHO, act less pompous.

[Hornet]

Nah I don't think so. Even of Toto Wolff is that crazy, Rosberg would never let the team do that to him, it's his own WDC he's fighting for.

As for why Rosberg didn't lock up heavily, it's better to take the escape route than to flat spot the tires, especially after you've done the one and only pit stop. If you miss the braking point, the escape route allows additional space to slow the car down so drivers do not need to slam on the brakes and lock up.

Both Lewis and Rosberg seems to be very closely match, though I think Lewis has a slight advantage in driving skills and he is more capable of not making mistake while pushing to the limits. Rosberg had to push to the limits too, and he probably made those mistakes because of that.

[Suzie]

What nonsense. How would they know that Nico would manoeuvre through the bollards as well as he did, not to mention the first time he did it Felipe was also very close to the two Mercs. Does there have to be a conspiracy in everything?!

[Rishu]

Doubt Lewis would say this if Mercedes race result was rigged


Lewis Hamilton says Nico Rosberg is unable to take the pressure of leading the world championship after his costly mistake at the Italian Grand Prix.

Hamilton recorded his sixth win of the season at Monza after an excellent recovery drive, but fans were denied the chance to see the Mercedes drivers battle for the lead when Rosberg ran wide at the first chicane on lap 29. Hamilton had been rapidly closing in on Rosberg since his pit stop and the German later admitted his team-mate's pressure prompted the mistake.

Rosberg also ran wide under the pursuit of his team-mate while leading the Canadian Grand Prix, before the pair hit mechanical trouble, which Hamilton thinks is proof he is struggling to handle the heat of the title fight.

"I did it a couple of races ago and he doesn't seem to like it so I'll try it a bit more," Hamilton said."I knew that was the best time to put pressure on him. All those experiences you have, like Canada, you know that if you apply the pressure that it is a possibility. You never know if it's going to happen, but all you can do is try."

Hamilton's victory narrows Rosberg's championship lead to 22 points with six rounds to go, including the double-weighted Abu Dhabi finale in November.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Doubt Lewis would say this if Mercedes race result was rigged

Hamilton is a great liar and actor.

I don't know if the race was rigged but I think Nico's performance was a little weird.

[AfterLife]

I believe Nico Rosberg mentally is much stronger than Lewis Hamilton and i am confident from next race Nico Rosberg will give Lewis Hamilton hard time. Lewis Hamilton is a little delusional imo and i believe it is not his fault totally. His McLaren team, Uncle Ron Dennis, some of his fans and recently Uncle David Crofty are the main reasons.
There is no doubt about Lewis Hamilton raw speed but there is no doubt about his unusual reactions when things go wrong.

[Alonsomaniac]

What nonsense. How would they know that Nico would manoeuvre through the bollards as well as he did, not to mention the first time he did it Felipe was also very close to the two Mercs. Does there have to be a conspiracy in everything?!

:thumb

[hogo]

What nonsense. How would they know that Nico would manoeuvre through the bollards as well as he did, not to mention the first time he did it Felipe was also very close to the two Mercs. Does there have to be a conspiracy in everything?!

Piquet Jr. also had to practice till he got it right.

[Suzie]

Well if they wanted to penalise him during the race, seems to me like taking a little longer with a pit stop would have been a less obvious way to do it.

Has anyone got any tinfoil? I need new headgear.

[Nova]

So its come to this..the fact that journo's have to make up stories because the racing is so superficial,
boring and processional? And what a stretch of the imagination! Remember when the news was
about the actual racing or innovations on the cars?

[Senna4Ever]

No conspiracy ... thats Normal living in The Matrix ...

[chris.gotfunk]

Guys and gals... As much as I would like to believe this insanity is happening with Merc, I don't believe it. If you recall, during the race as Hamilton was closing in on Nico, he came on the radio and emphatically told his engineer to stop telling him the gaps. I truly believe that Nico is having a tough time handling the pressure. Think of Hamilton's first two seasons in F1... Missed being a WDC his rookie season by a point or so and then won it the final year by a point or so. He's had way more experience in high pressure situations whereas Nico has not. If you recall China in Hamilton's first season when he beached the car on the entry to the pits... very similar kind of mistake akin to the one Nico made Sunday. Of course, just my .02...

[Fiondella]

Well Rosberg handled the barriers better than the preceding corner twice. :-E

[Stormsearcher]

If it was rigged then Mr Hamilton should, IMHO, act less pompous.

haha.. true! hes going around saying NR cant handle pressure.

[REDARMYSOJA]

If true it just shows Mercedes has finally learned how to handle their drivers, which does not bode well for the rest of us, since those two nimrods running over each other was our only hope.

[Rob]

speaking to bloke at work today about it. Nico was "down" all weekend. It may of been away to "penalise" him, let Lewis win this one to appease all the moaning and bad media going around at the moment. Merc did say they may penalise him someway. Nico isnt a driver to "buckle" under pressure, he is a thinking driver, bit like Prost.

I dont know, just looking at it now :Hmm

[Suzie]

speaking to bloke at work today about it. Nico was "down" all weekend.

Yeah but that could purely be down to the crap he has had thrown at him by the media and getting such savage boos in Spa.
He seemed in pretty good form in the room before the podium, it was Lewis who seemed a bit alone if anything as he was the only one not chatting in Italian.

[Aberracus]

I think its just conspiracy theories, NR isn't really a very good driver, he have the best car on the grid, and with much less gremlins than Lewis, you can see in any race who is making mistakes, in his 5th year in F1, look at SPA 2 errors , and Canada, and im sure theres a lot more. I really believe Nico doesn't DESERVE to be a WDC, in my view. The problem is can Lewis beat him ?

[Rob]

Yeah but that could purely be down to the crap he has had thrown at him by the media and getting such savage boos in Spa.
He seemed in pretty good form in the room before the podium, it was Lewis who seemed a bit alone if anything as he was the only one not chatting in Italian.

Lewis seems to be putting a divide in that team, wonder if it was all Ron Dennis in 2007, anyway thats another topic.

Just hope Nico can put this behind, which im sure he can/will and take the WDC.

[DIEK]

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 9 min
Yesterday Massa was told not to use overtake after he passed Magnussen and had Hamilton's Mercedes close behind. #F1

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 11 min
Interesting detail from @markhughesF1: Williams have to get permission from Mercedes to use their 'overtake button': http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/reports/2014-italian-gp-report/

[FFFerrari]

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 9 min
Yesterday Massa was told not to use overtake after he passed Magnussen and had Hamilton's Mercedes close behind. #F1

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 11 min
Interesting detail from @markhughesF1: Williams have to get permission from Mercedes to use their 'overtake button': http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/reports/2014-italian-gp-report/

If this is true, it's really really bad for the sport. :Hmm

[EL_NANDO]

Doubt Lewis would say this if Mercedes race result was rigged

If they did order Rosberg to do this, perhaps they wouldn't have told Lewis? It might have been between Toto Wolff and Nico only.

It does seems a bit strange Nico was the only driver in the race I remember doing this, and he did it twice. I don't think they would have ordered him to do this, but who knows...

[Rishu]

If they did order Rosberg to do this, perhaps they wouldn't have told Lewis? It might have been between Toto Wolff and Nico only.


I doubt it, Mercedes' internal penalty to Rosberg would've meant to appease Hamilton, there is no point punishing him without letting Hamilton know

[Giallo 550]

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 9 min
Yesterday Massa was told not to use overtake after he passed Magnussen and had Hamilton's Mercedes close behind. #F1

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 11 min
Interesting detail from @markhughesF1: Williams have to get permission from Mercedes to use their 'overtake button': http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/reports/2014-italian-gp-report/

I will be incredibly disappointed if this turns out to be true.

[Hornet]

I think from a technical point of view, it is possible that Williams need Merc's engineers to inform them when they can use the overtake button, as Merc's engineers are the only one who knows what's going on in the PU.

But yeah, there's always that conflict of interest as well. I guess the engineers could be secretly told to keep Merc's interest in mind, and Williams would not be able to tell when the engineers are being truthful or not even with all the telemetry, as they dont build the PU, or any PU.

[Brembo]

Nico could just as well have won the race and then hand the trophy over to Hamilton on the podium .

[steelstallions]

Check the Free Practice session logs for the Italian GP.
Rosberg was doing 'practice runs' down the escape route both in FP1 and in FP3. Makes you think? :Hmm

[Brembo]

With only 22 points seperating Nico and Lewis, if merc treats them equal and lets them race, my money is on Lewis winning it.

[Alessandra]

Well I never….
:roll
Jackie Stewart of all people seems to be joining in the show since Rosberg did the same thing twice: “The first I thought ‘That’s’ wise’….second time I thought ‘Hello, what’s going on here?’ “
When Bernie hangs up his steering wheel I think XIX Entertainment will probably take over F1, if it hasn’t already.
And they wonder why attendance and viewing numbers are dropping.

[ManFromMilan]

Lewis seems to be putting a divide in that team, wonder if it was all Ron Dennis in 2007,



I have been wondering and pondering the same Rob.

[Lesky]

With only 22 points seperating Nico and Lewis, if merc treats them equal and lets them race, my money is on Lewis winning it.

Correct, most likely. I just hope he does not win it because of the silly double points in the last race, that would be a travesty! Or maybe that would end the double points madness?

[Zytes]

If it was rigged then Mr Hamilton should, IMHO, act less pompous.

True, but this is the same guy who tweeted team telemetry for all the (Twitter) world to see.....:Hmm

[Rob]

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 9 min
Yesterday Massa was told not to use overtake after he passed Magnussen and had Hamilton's Mercedes close behind. #F1

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk 11 min
Interesting detail from @markhughesF1: Williams have to get permission from Mercedes to use their 'overtake button': http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/reports/2014-italian-gp-report/

oh dear :clap

[Rob]

With only 22 points seperating Nico and Lewis, if merc treats them equal and lets them race, my money is on Lewis winning it.

Lewis can win rest of races, and if Nico finishes 2nd, he still takes WDC.

[abbottcostello]

Pure rubbish, Nico even had problems & took the escape during practice IIRC. (Or MAYBE he was practicing the maneuver he would use in the race, muahahaha!!!)

:roll

[abbottcostello]

Lewis can win rest of races, and if Nico finishes 2nd, he still takes WDC.

:thumb Exactly & I don't see that happening, if anything a DNF or two for Lewis is in the cards based on his past performances!

[Brembo]

:thumb Exactly & I don't see that happening, if anything a DNF or two for Lewis is in the cards based on his past performances!

A DNF or two would be just toooo obvious as to Merc favoring Nico, again I believe if left to race and treated equal, Lewis for sure will be the winner. He's 2nd only to Alonso on the track. The apology by Nico IMO only meant " I got caught so I'm sorry I got caught."

[Brembo]

Lewis can win rest of races, and if Nico finishes 2nd, he still takes WDC.

Very true. But there's that "If " word. I just hope Merc or Nico humself don't make a mockery out of the season by Merc favoring Nico in any way, or are replay of Nico at his worse.

[Rishu]

A DNF or two would be just toooo obvious as to Merc favoring Nico, again I believe if left to race and treated equal, Lewis for sure will be the winner. He's 2nd only to Alonso on the track. The apology by Nico IMO only meant " I got caught so I'm sorry I got caught."

Agree with most of your post. I know I'm in minority, as I prefer Hamilton to win the title.

[Aberracus]

Agree with most of your post. I know I'm in minority, as I prefer Hamilton to win the title.

Im with you Rishu, i think Hamilton is way better than Nico.

[BigGar32]

Im with you Rishu, i think Hamilton is way better than Nico.

Certainly the better driver. Joint number 1 with Alonso in my opinion. Hamilton really is that good!

[TonyRizza]

If nico comes 2nd in the rest he will win? Not sure if those maths work out, 7point difference between 1 and 2, 6 races and 5 have normal points which =35 plus 1 at 14 which is 49 points if Lewis wins and nico second

[TonyRizza]

Nico is 22 ahead so Hamilton would win by 27

[Rob]

Nico is 22 ahead so Hamilton would win by 27

true, but i think Nico will take it, Lewis i think will overdrive it soon at either Singapore or Suzuka, and make few mistakes, cost him points.

[TonyRizza]

Hope nico gets it, they both annoy me but Lewis has annoyed me since he started so I'll cheer for nico

[Brembo]

If nico comes 2nd in the rest he will win? Not sure if those maths work out, 7point difference between 1 and 2, 6 races and 5 have normal points which =35 plus 1 at 14 which is 49 points if Lewis wins and nico second
Heres a much simpler wayof looking at the situation between the two drivers. Merc is 182 points ahead in the WCC race. No need for them to worry about who wins the WDC. So if anything happens to Lewis' , car, pit stop, runs out of fuel, mechanical prob. during quali. :rotfl Well it won't look to good for Merc.

[TonyRizza]

I wonder if he loses it will be "because he is black"
It's a quote from him before people misunderstand

[fratelliferrari]

Hope nico gets it, they both annoy me but Lewis has annoyed me since he started so I'll cheer for nico

:thumb

[ManFromMilan]

I wonder if he loses it will be "because he is black"
It's a quote from him before people misunderstand




Knowing him, it just might be. Knowing his fans, definitely their go to excuse.

[Rob]

Knowing him, it just might be. Knowing his fans, definitely their go to excuse.

no, their excuse will be Merc favours Nico because he German, driving German car.

[Giallo 550]

no, their excuse will be Merc favours Nico because he German, driving German car.

That and because he's black. :lol

[Brembo]

no, their excuse will be Merc favours Nico because he German, driving German car.

Nico is Brasilian not German. He brakes with his left foot, and is a #2 driver at Merc. Lewis earned his # 1 status at Merc. Him being British has nothing to do with it. He's fast and furious on the track.

[Stormsearcher]

That and because he's black. :lol

:rotfl

[Stormsearcher]

Certainly the better driver. Joint number 1 with Alonso in my opinion. Hamilton really is that good!

Hamilton is very good, certainly the best of the rest, but he is really no match for Alonso as a package. He is perhaps faster over a single lap.

[ManFromMilan]

He is perhaps faster over a single lap.



Only when uncle Ron is helping;-)

[Stormsearcher]

Only when uncle Ron is helping;-)

lol.. you mean Fair uncle ron. ;-)