FIA restricts team radio transmissions

[Stormsearcher]

Just read this article. See it on

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/316048/fia-restricts-team-radio-transmissions/

Was wondering what this actually means?
Does it mean a team can no longer tell the driver to for example - take it easy, you need to conserve fuel. Or they cannot say you are slower in sector 2 to your teammate, or you are braking too early into turn 2.. etc.,
Or does it put a total clamp on all 'information'.. like rosberg is having tyre trouble, push Fernando, you can win this race. :-)

Plus it adds in the end that there cant be any data transmission from pit to car. what kind of data?

[Hornet]

How is the drivers supposed to know if they should protect the engine, or they can use the overtake button. The drivers can't possibly "feel" these things. Strange move IMO. These technical information are crucial because of how complex the car is today.

Maybe they will just have to encode their information in talks about the weather

[Stormsearcher]

Some drivers like Rosberg are not going to like this at all. :lol

Our drivers on the other hand hardly talk to their engineers. :-D

[fratelliferrari]

This would have been a real disaster if Rob Smedley was still Felipe's race engineer :-D It was always great to hear these two!

[Ed Harley]

I think this is a good change.

[Senna4Ever]

kinder garden ...
and for the rest of allowed talks FIA should think about a code book that all teams find the same specific wording ...

[Kingdom Hearts]

I agree with this, some drivers like Massa get a lot of coaching, and the back and forth between Merc drivers is embarrasing.

[Kiwi Nick]

I have noticed the information from the Merc pit this season are extremely specific. like, "Lewis, Nico is 0.02 sec faster in turn 3." or "Nico, Lewis is braking 15 meters sooner than you in turn 7." It makes it look like the driver is some sort of robot that needs guidance from the pit in order to maximize performance. Of course, I also wonder how valuable some of this "guidance" is.

But where do they draw the line? Can the pit tell the driver to "Go to purple 6." or, "Your rear brakes are too hot, please cool them." If you take Whiting's comments literally, the answer is, no. Even, "You are gaining 0.11 seconds per lap." would be banned. So about all that can be said is, "Box this lap", or "Rain in 10 minutes."

The easiest way to have the affect that Whitting and the regulations want, would be to eliminate all telemetry from the car to the team during the race. Without that data there can be no extraordinary information passed to the driver from the team. Once the race begins, the car would be the driver's hands. Strategy about when to pit and which tires to use when can still be determined by the team but how to bias the brakes or how much fuel to use or how to set the diff would be up to the driver. But that level of skill might require more experience than your typical 16 year old who crashes cars during Dutch street shows possesses. F1 should not be the kindergarten of motorsport.

[Nova]

I like it...Back to the old days??? Like not that long ago. Arent the supposedly best drivers in
the world supposed to know how to drive the supposedly fastest cars in the world?
Lets take some of the electric hybrid crap off these race cars n let the drivers "feel" how to race again.
Its no wonder some of the older drivers are considered the best. They remember.

[eddie]

I like it...Back to the old days??? Like not that long ago. Arent the supposedly best drivers in
the world supposed to know how to drive the supposedly fastest cars in the world?
Lets take some of the electric hybrid crap off these race cars n let the drivers "feel" how to race again.
Its no wonder some of the older drivers are considered the best. They remember.

I like it. Drivers are suppose to build their own strategy in their head.

Bring back the "raw" racing....

[hogo]

There's only one message that driver should receive from the team - when to pit. That could be done via some kind of button on a wheel. IMO radio transmissions should be muted. Let driver decide what's the best for the car and what's the best for the current situation on the track.

[Senna4Ever]

There's only one message that driver should receive from the team - when to pit. That could be done via some kind of button on a wheel. IMO radio transmissions should be muted. Let driver decide what's the best for the car and what's the best for the current situation on the track.

and ban all other Gismos in the actual cars
how should a driver of now consider all the facts due to the complexity of a car of the generation of 2014 ... ??? ... but then FIA starts wind up the horse from behind ... first reduce complexity of the cars and then think about this ... Anyone of you know how much Schumi talked to Brawn/Todt and vice versa?

[Hornet]

Reliability is part of the radio communication. Not only that, fuel consumption is also part of it, and you can get disqualified for that.

If you take that away, driver's will have to be more conservative, or they might break the car or breach the fuel limit.

Would people rather trade that away than to have radio chatter which the FIA should not have broadcast in the first place? People don't moan about radio chatter back then simply because no one hears it. Today we let the fans hear it and what do people do? Use it against the drivers and complain about it. :lou

[Aberracus]

No more team orders?
I assume they can discuss tires health for pit strategy, probably the drivers can see a light in the wheel telling them they are using too much gas?, motor is going to explode, is ok let it explode like used to happen before.

Who you think guys are the drivers who will loss more?
For me:
- Vettel
- Rosberg
- sutil
- Gutierrez
- Maldonado

Jenson?

[tifosi1993]

Another idiotic rule. How does banning/restricting radio transmission improve anything?

[Kiwi Nick]

Another idiotic rule. How does banning/restricting radio transmission improve anything?

It means the myth that F1 drivers are the best in the world will explode, because it will put more emphasis on their ability to understand the car and the limits of performance. The driver who can wring the max performance out of the car without 6 engineers telling him what to do will prevail because he is a better driver. Alonso can do that. Kimi wants to be left alone. But Maldonado, and a few other drivers who are not in the top 1,000 drivers in the world need, to be told how to adjust brake bias and how hard to press on the pedals.

Let the engineers put the best car they can under a driver and then let's see who the best drivers are.

[Alessandra]

(Whiting explained)…a regulation that states drivers "must drive the car alone and unaided"…………….
"In order to ensure that the requirements of Article 20.1 of the F1 Sporting Regulations is respected at all times we intend to rigorously enforce this regulation with immediate effect. Therefore no radio conversation from pit to driver may include any information that is related to the performance of the car or driver,"



I’ve been cross for ages at the constant stream of information between pit lane and driver.
I believe that this interchange of info. has weighed too heavily on the strengths of the car with the effect that the WDC is, to my mind, not representative of the best driver of the year, nor has it been for years. I don’t know why we have a WDC frankly.

I think it’s also led to a degree of disrespect for the drivers, not just in the car but out of it too; pawns in the inter-team rivalry and even their own careers.

I’m sure Charlie will be besieged with questions from team managers regarding exchanges of information that affect safety, not just to their own car but to others; fuel management, tyre degradation and favourite of all, team orders!!
Clearly we can’t ignore that communications and all other aspect of the F1 car’s development have happened over decades and I really don’t envy Charlie Whiting and the stewards in their job of sorting out what is and isn’t an
infringement of Article 20. but, we may at last get driver and team world champions without the condescending rubbish of double points at random races supposedly to keep the fans happy! Perhaps.






“To lose one team manager, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness. “

[Hornet]

Another idiotic rule. How does banning/restricting radio transmission improve anything?

I dont recall this being an issue until in one of the race weekend when Nico Rosberg asked for advice over the radio. Sky and other media have been thumping on the issue since, and of course the fans got on board and some started bashing Nico.

It was unfair to Nico because he just used different words that day than the other drivers. Lewis and other drivers have constantly been asking about where they can improve, and no one made any issue out of it. Unfortunately Nico that day used the term "driving advice please" and it became an issue.

[tifosi1993]

It means the myth that F1 drivers are the best in the world will explode, because it will put more emphasis on their ability to understand the car and the limits of performance. The driver who can wring the max performance out of the car without 6 engineers telling him what to do will prevail because he is a better driver. Alonso can do that. Kimi wants to be left alone. But Maldonado, and a few other drivers who are not in the top 1,000 drivers in the world need, to be told how to adjust brake bias and how hard to press on the pedals.

Let the engineers put the best car they can under a driver and then let's see who the best drivers are.

And how is telling a F1 driver that his brakes are overheating or he is losing time in some corenrs helping him drive? He still has to execute the order/pit wall suggestion.

Today's F1 cars are the most complex racing cars in the world, a F1 steering wheel have 35 or more buttons on it and the driver has to manage brake pressure/temp, fuel, tyres and tons of other unknown stuffs throughout the whole race. But with this new rule, the driver can't know if his race pace is good enough to make the strategy work or where he is losing time. Stupid.

And without doubt F1 drivers are the best in the world.

[Nova]

My point on this is simple...Theres a line in the movie Rush where Marlene asks Niki
how he knows the car does this or that, needs this or that, to which he responds "my Ass"..

Mabey the cars are simply so complex that drivers cant feel the car underneath them anymore.
Mabey theres so much crap on the car that the drivers arent able to feel whats going on with the car.
Mabey all of this technology has made the race cars numb, unfeeling and like driving around a
toaster instead of an actual race car..
Mabey the spec tires are so oblivious to the drivers, that they can only tell when theyre flat..

The more the fia steps into the series, the more artificial it has become. Are the drivers now
as good as the drivers of the 70's, 80's, 90's?
Drivers r now asked to manage a race instead of race a race. Im for putting the cars back in the drivers hands,
go to a simpler formula which showcases driver ability. N Im not asking to get rid of technology,
lets simply find a way to make the racing better. Could be the only way to do that is to take a step back.
To move forward, we must go backwards.

[F2008]

A rather strange rule for a teamsport.

[karvyin12]

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/316066/q-a-with-the-fia-on-team-radio-restrictions/

[aroutis]

Another idiotic rule. How does banning/restricting radio transmission improve anything?makes the whole team drama more difficult.

[Kiwi Nick]

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/316066/q-a-with-the-fia-on-team-radio-restrictions/

I like this.

[Rob]

I like this, alot. I know its good to know "data", but its taking alot of the "feel" the driver must have with the car. The things that annoy me is driver- "what sector am i loosing time? where can i improve" engineer-" T2 loosing time, dont overlap brake pedel and throttle, blah blah

A driver should know and feel where he can make time or loose time.

[Stormy]

So this rule will be applied from next race?
I really don't know what to think of this, the cars are much more complex than they were before, drivers need to watch out for so many things, and got so many things to do on the steering wheel and now they need to look for all data on the display also?
I think some of the complexity of the car need to get rid off in order this rule to work properly.

[Rishu]

I'd be least interested on this topic if I was Kimi & slightly concerned if Vettel or Rosberg

[mm154]

Granted its only once a lap, but will Charlie be down censoring what messages the teams show their drivers on their pit lane message boards?

Not that I'm opposed to the idea of limited radio chatter, but I still feel like, as usual, its a bit of a half baked scheme by the FIA... For example in the link above...

"Q: Are warnings about the condition of the brakes or tyres (slow puncture) still allowed?
FIA: No, this should be displayed to the driver from data gathered onboard, again like a fuel gauge."

Now if I were a race engineer and my driver says "I'm coming in next lap I think I have a puncture" and I reply (knowing from the telemetry there is no puncture) "Pit lane not ready, will advise when ready" then in a lap or two ask if they still want to come in, since by now they will or should now realize there is no puncture, is that in contradiction to the rules?

[Hornet]

So the FIA wants the driver to have a nuclear reactor control panel on the steering wheel with tons of information to read while driving?

Talk about distracting the drivers from racing.

[anakin]

It is known that some drivers will suffer.but. Is it good or bad for fernando and kimi??????

[anakin]

I think we will going to see a lot of retirement from now on..

[Brembo]

I would have loved to have seen Rubens drive without his radio on. But then Todt would have needed to be in a strait jacket every race. A great move. Let these drivers race the hell out of there cars.

[kingu]

good change, I would ban radio use even more. Only restrict it to emergencies (retire the car, red flag, black flag etc) and one way (from driver to pit).

[Stormsearcher]

It is known that some drivers will suffer.but. Is it good or bad for fernando and kimi??????

I feel both Nando and Kimi will be fine. They hardly seem to ask 'advice' from the pitwall.. infact i dont think i have ever heard Alonso ask for anything. I could be wrong.. but i cant recall. Kimi has gone public with his desire to be left alone while driving. :lol so.. we should be ok. Unless ofcourse we dont get to hear the stuff they have been on the radio about.

As for the rest, i think Rosberg would be very worried. LH and SV to some extent. Mclaren dont have to worry. No matter what they tell button the reply is always no-grip. :rotfl

[stefa]

I am 100% for this! Sick of hearing drivers complying almost about everything, and their pit wall is tell them what to do!
Both hands on the wheel heads and foot down and race!

[Kingdom Hearts]

I think is too much and it will cause some cars to DNF. There is a fine line between not telling them where to break or how to use throttle in the best way and not telling them some details that are vital to run the car properly. I hope Kimi and Fernando are ready for this.

[Alessandra]

From my newspaper………
‘all messages deemed to help the driver with his on-track performance.. Messages from drivers asking for advice on driving style, or from teams informing their drivers on how and where to make gains during a quali session or race’ will be banned.'

Extract from Whiting's directive “…..no radio conversation from pit to driver may include any info that is related to the performance of the car or driver”.

‘The ban does not include advice for pit stop strategies or safety, nor general messages between pit and driver”.

[ManFromMilan]

I dont recall this being an issue until in one of the race weekend when Nico Rosberg asked for advice over the radio. Sky and other media have been thumping on the issue since, and of course the fans got on board and some started bashing Nico.

It was unfair to Nico because he just used different words that day than the other drivers. Lewis and other drivers have constantly been asking about where they can improve, and no one made any issue out of it. Unfortunately Nico that day used the term "driving advice please" and it became an issue.




Sky is hurting F1 and the fan's enjoyment of F1 with their ludicrous statements and opinions. They continuously stirring non issues and neglecting real facts and concerns in my opinion. Both Merc drivers get a lot of coaching and if they didn't make a big deal out of it and even more didn't play the discussion of it on their live feed nobody would care.

They are artificially trying to make news and excitement. They are the medias equivalent of DRS.

[ManFromMilan]

...anyway, how would poor Hamilton know now that it is "hammertime"?:roll

[Brembo]

...anyway, how would poor Hamilton know now that it is "hammertime"?:roll

He will be " clewlis"

[FerrariF60]

He will be " clewlis"

LOL....this is too funny...

[Kiwi Nick]

During WWII, American forces in the Pacific used native Americans, mostly Navajo, as communication specialists. They transmitted in the native Navajo language, known by virtually nobody outside the tribe and a language that was unwritten. These "Code Talkers" were able to communicate without the need for time consuming encryption and decryption. The Japanese were never able to break their code. Is Mercedes currently advertising for Navajo pit crew to tutor Nico and Lewis?

[Aberracus]

BTW poor Verstapen, so much to learn now.

[Kiwi Nick]

BTW poor Verstapen, so much to learn now.

If he isn't ready he should not be in the car.

[ManFromMilan]

He will be " clewlis"




:rotfl

[Kingdom Hearts]

It is known that some drivers will suffer.but. Is it good or bad for fernando and kimi??????

I don't know, maybe is bad?, we have a lot of problems with the hybrid unit, if the drivers can't get help to manage that....

[Ed Harley]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115824

EXAMPLES OF WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED

Allowed

- Telling a driver when he is allowed to or meant to stop for new tyres
- Team orders in terms of overtaking or letting a team-mate past
- Warning a driver about the traffic situation during qualifying and the race
- Safety warning relating to yellow flags or dangerous situations on the track


Not allowed

- Informing a driver to change any settings on his car to improve its performance
- Informing a driver about his fuel consumption and how to manage his pace
- Informing a driver about his own performance in sectors and where he can improve
- Informing a driver about the condition or state of his tyres
- Informing a driver how best to approach the formation lap or setting changes to make better start

[Alessandra]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115824
Allowed

- Telling a driver when he is allowed to or meant to stop for new tyres
- Team orders in terms of overtaking or letting a team-mate past
- Warning a driver about the traffic situation during qualifying and the race
- Safety warning relating to yellow flags or dangerous situations on the track


Not allowed
Informing a driver to change any settings on his car to improve its performance
- Informing a driver about his fuel consumption and how to manage his pace
- Informing a driver about his own performance in sectors and where he can improve
- Informing a driver about the condition or state of his tyres
- Informing a driver how best to approach the formation lap or setting changes to make better start


Wow! Some people are really going to struggle with the withdrawal of information on settings, fuel, sectors, tyres!

Is it a bit confusing that telling a driver when he’s allowed to / meant to stop for new tyres is allowed and yet they’re not allowed to inform a driver about the condition/ state of his tyres?

[Hornet]

Wow! Some people are really going to struggle with the withdrawal of information on settings, fuel, sectors, tyres!

Is it a bit confusing that telling a driver when he’s allowed to / meant to stop for new tyres is allowed and yet they’re not allowed to inform a driver about the condition/ state of his tyres?
Maybe the team can get around that by constantly updating the driver on when he's pitting. Say the original plan is to pit at lap 30. If the driver is pushing the tires too hard, the pitwall will inform them that the driver can pit at lap 28. If the driver should start pushing harder, tell him he can pit at lap 32. :-G

But seriously I think teams will find ways around it. Hidding forbidden information in stuff that are allowed to be communicated.

It's a poorly thought out regulation. All regulations for 2015 were already confirmed before the summer break. Out of no where, the FIA is introducing a change that takes place immediately. Sounds like a knee jerk reaction to me. Didn't even consult the teams and drivers to plan it properly.

[WS6TransAm01]

What if all the teams tell the FIA to pound sand on this one? As a cohesive group, tell the FIA that they will not comply. Then what? I hope they do that. Good or bad, this is all of a sudden dropped on the teams in mid season. There are enough rules in F1 now, I would say too many. Someone needs to push back already and stop the FIA's shenanigans.

[Alessandra]

Maybe the team can get around that by constantly updating the driver on when he's pitting. Say the original plan is to pit at lap 30. If the driver is pushing the tires too hard, the pitwall will inform them that the driver can pit at lap 28. If the driver should start pushing harder, tell him he can pit at lap 32. :-G
.


:lol I think that's exacly what's going to happen.

But I have to repeat, overall I'm in favour of giving drivers back the right or opportunity to make their own decisions during a race. Who knows, it might even shake things up a bit this year for the WDC if not the constructors' title?

[Brembo]

Wow! Some people are really going to struggle with the withdrawal of information on settings, fuel, sectors, tyres!

Is it a bit confusing that telling a driver when he’s allowed to / meant to stop for new tyres is allowed and yet they’re not allowed to inform a driver about the condition/ state of his tyres?
Just add tyre condition to allowed, and remove team orders. Todays drivers don't take team orders anyway! And I hope they never do. Watching Merc, RB, Williams drivers fight each other for the points at least gives us Ferrari fans something to enjoy watching each race, untill Alonso & Kimi get cars that can get up and win.

[aroutis]

Just add tyre condition to allowed, and remove team orders. Todays drivers don't take team orders anyway! And I hope they never do. Watching Merc, RB, Williams drivers fight each other for the points at least gives us Ferrari fans something to enjoy watching each race, untill Alonso & Kimi get cars that can get up and win.
It is a team sport, so team orders are not going anywhere, you should know that.

[Brembo]

It is a team sport, so team orders are not going anywhere, you should know that.

I'm aware of what your telling me, but like Lewis and Nico, Seb and Ricc, Massa and Bottas and a few other drivers, I just can't accept telling a driver to let the guy behind you pass you. You got up front for points for the team and yourself. Now for your effiorts, move over. A good example is of course two drivers [Nico, Lewis lets say ] about to finish 1st and 2nd, the team gets the same points WCC . Why mess with the drivers WDC points? Or say one of these boys is looking for another seat. I'm sure the future team will look up his career points so far. Yes your right , team orders aren't moving over , but it looks like niether are the drivers !

[aroutis]

I'm aware of what your telling me, but like Lewis and Nico, Seb and Ricc, Massa and Bottas and a few other drivers, I just can't accept telling a driver to let the guy behind you pass you. You got up front for points for the team and yourself. Now for your effiorts, move over. A good example is of course two drivers [Nico, Lewis lets say ] about to finish 1st and 2nd, the team gets the same points WCC . Why mess with the drivers WDC points? Or say one of these boys is looking for another seat. I'm sure the future team will look up his career points so far. Yes your right , team orders aren't moving over , but it looks like niether are the drivers !
And this is why there will always be drama in f1...;)

[NickEice]

I don't mind the ruling either way, what I think will be a mockery is the policing of this by the FIA. There are a lot of radio messages that will possibly be banned that the teams could put a very good defense argument in the name of safety.

We all know the FIA are not the best at giving punishments out. This just seems like a very gray area that will lead to more headaches than anything and possible more post race time changes that we all hate.

[killer]

Only the transmission of messages deemed illegal by the FIA via radio will be stopped. It's a fair bet we'll see larger lollipops from now on.

[vcs316]

Sep.15 (GMM) Ferrari has given a cool welcome to the FIA's clampdown on radio instructions to F1 drivers.

The ban will fall on teams with immediate effect, and Red Bull's Christian Horner declared last week: "It is time for the drivers to drive."

Mercedes' Toto Wolff, however, is more concerned, fearing "essential on-track procedures will be affected" by the "complex and controversial" rule change.

Ferrari also thinks the clampdown will fundamentally affect the work of Formula One teams and drivers under the increasingly complex new rules for 2014.

"Currently, drivers make two or three adjustments per lap based on information given to them by the engineers who monitor the situation via telemetry," the Italian team said in an online report entitled 'Radio gu-gu, Radio ga-ga'.

Ferrari announced that it is "evaluating the effect of this technical directive relating to radio communications and ... the possible scenarios that could occur on track".

"There are still some uncertainties remaining especially regarding safety matters. Information about brake and tyre wear are among those currently banned but messages on these topics could prevent dangerous incidents," it added.

Ferrari said it has sought "further clarification from the FIA" on the issue.

[Silent Bob]

I think the FIA has no choice but to implement this rule. Some of the advice being given to the driver's was pretty specific. Driver's were being told when to use their KERS, how to brake to regain more energy, how to take turns. It was getting ridiculous. Sometimes sounded like rally where the navigator is telling the driver when to turn. I don't think this will affect safety at all. Drivers know when there is something wrong with the car or their tires are shot. There is no restrictions on telling the driver to pit or stay out, or if any of his systems aren't working. The pit can still warn the drivers of problems.

[Kiwi Nick]

Brake overheating, braking points, short shifting and tire wear are nothing new to F1. Who told Fangio and Moss that their brakes were too hot? Who told Clark and Hill to save their tires? Who told Lauda and Hunt it's "hammertime"? Who told Senna and Prost they were braking too early? All of those drivers had great skill as drivers and the ability to feel the basic characteristics of the car and act accordingly. Isn't that what we want in F1 drivers? They are purported to be the best drivers in the world, but that claim is undermined by the constant instruction from engineers aided by telemetry and algorithms. If a driver can't manage the race and the race car, he has no business in F1.

Sadly, the criteria in the recent past has been that a driver be about 160 cm tall and about 60 kg in order to reduce drag and allow for more ballast. The race management, and in some cases how to drive, is then left to the pit wall. I don't think it was meant to be that way. Make the drivers drive and we will see who is really best. Otherwise, give the drivers championship trophy to the race engineers.

[Alessandra]

.................... Make the drivers drive and we will see who is really best. Otherwise, give the drivers championship trophy to the race engineers.


Couldn’t agree more.
As I might have mentioned 500 times before, the WDC has lost much of its value as pit desk engineers inform, encourage and berate the drivers through each and every race.

But of course, obeying what the desk tells you is not a great help to all drivers; ask FA who although screaming, “This is a mistake. This is wrong” to his engineer still obediently followed the instruction to pit in the last race of 2010 with the result that Vettel took his first WDC.
The irony was that FA is possibly the least needy driver currently on the track when it comes to making decisions at 200 m.p.h in a racecar.

I don’t know, where will it all end….? Burble, burble, burble, burble……:-s

[Super M]

Permitted


In Focus: Rule changes

Acknowledgement that a driver's message has been heard.
Lap or sector detail for team's own driver or lap time of a competitor.
Gaps to a competitor, in any session.
Messages such as "push now", "push hard", or "you will be racing xx", or similar.
Warnings about traffics during any session.
Gaps between cars in qualifying to help driver with positioning for flying lap.
Puncture warnings.
Tyre choice for next pit stop.
How old a competitors current tyres are during a race.
The compound being used by a competitor.
Indication of a potential problem with a competitor's car during a race.
Information concerning competitors likely or believed race strategy.
Any information regarding flags cautions (yellow, blue etc) and Safety Car deployment.
Safety Car window.
Driving breaches by team driver of a competitor which may result in a penalty eg. Missing chicanes, track limits
Notification that DRS is enabled or disabled, and dealing with a DRS system failure.
Change of front wing position at next pit stop.
Weather information.
Instruction to pit and retire the car.


Not permitted

Sector details of a competitor and where competitor is faster or slower.
Adjustment of power unit settings.
Adjustment of power unit settings to de-rate the systems.
Adjustment of gearbox settings.
Learning of gears of the gearbox (from Japanese GP onwards).
Balancing state-of-charge batteries or adjusting for performance.
Information on fuel flow settings (except if requested to do so by race control).
Information on level of fuel saving required.
Information on tyre pressure or temperatures (from Japanese GP onwards).
Information on differential settings.
Start maps related to clutch position - for race starts and pit stops.
Information on clutch maps or settings, eg. bite points.
Burn-outs prior to race starts.
Information on brake balance or brake-by-wire settings.
Warning on brake wear or temperatures (from Japanese GP onwards).
Selection of driving default settings (other than in the case of a clearly identified problem)
Answering a direct question from a driver, eg. "Am I using the right torque map?"
Any message which appears to be coded.

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[Ed Harley]

"Team radio clampdown extends to Formula 1 pit boards"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115888

[Super M]

"Team radio clampdown extends to Formula 1 pit boards"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115888



I just posted this article.........look below :-)

[Ed Harley]

No worries. :lol

[abbottcostello]

Glad to see this, let the drivers figure out on their own. This will be good for the sport & any safety issues will be sorted as they arise. The tough part will be the coded messages that we all know will appear sooner rather than later. I'm anxious to see how this plays out, suddenly I feel we have a shot at sneaking out a win this season with 2 drivers who know what to do during a race!

[Alonsomaniac]

I think that it will probably benefit Fernando more than Kimi...........Fernando has aways been a strategist himself and a man who reads the car. Kimi is more the type of the pure racer, a pedal-to-the-metal man. Great to watch, but not always as effective as the thinking man.
The same goes for Rosberg and Hamilton where the latter is the racer.....

[Stormsearcher]

I think that it will probably benefit Fernando more than Kimi...........Fernando has aways been a strategist himself and a man who reads the car. Kimi is more the type of the pure racer, a pedal-to-the-metal man. Great to watch, but not always as effective as the thinking man.
The same goes for Rosberg and Hamilton where the latter is the racer.....

Agreed. Only i cant see Rosberg as a anything. For some reason(prbly unfounded).. i see rosberg as a dumb mutt whos in F1 cause of his dad. Very surprised he is ahead of Lewis in the points.

[Ed Harley]

Agreed. Only i cant see Rosberg as a anything. For some reason(prbly unfounded).. i see rosberg as a dumb mutt whos in F1 cause of his dad. Very surprised he is ahead of Lewis in the points.
Perhaps he is in F1 and ahead of Hamilton in points because he isn't a "dumb mutt".

[Kiwi Nick]

25 years from now you won't recognize F1, and driver communications will be a thing of the past. The future of F1 had its first race last week...Formula E. Just look at the expansion of electric motor-generators in F1 in the last decade. From small units capable of providing only a few seconds of supplemental power per lap to power units, wherein the internal combustion engine has been downsized by half and the MGUs have doubled. How long will it be before the ICE is used solely to charge the batteries, like in some current road cars. As battery and energy recovery technology advance the ICE will be phased out. By then fans will be used to the "slot car" sound of an F1 Tesla.

But what is really unsettling is the news that GM, Mercedes, VW and others are moving full speed ahead with "driverless" car technology and expect them to be common by 2025, with versions set to hit the road as early as next year. As F1 becomes more and more engineer oriented, I can see driverless race cars on the horizon. Future fans will not cheer the talents or bravery of an Alonso of Raikkinen, but the subtle algorithms of Eng. Patel or Chang or Rostoff or Jones or Villapoto who use system dynamics programs that are able to make billions of calculations per second.

F1 used to be dominated by strong men with greasy faces and polo shirts whose arms could be seen sawing back and forth to maintain control as the drifted through a dusty turn. Today we await the arrival of a seventeen year old who weighs 45kg and is hidden in fireproof clothing and a faceless helmet barely visible above the lip of the cockpit where he, in addition to steering and braking, plays with the settings on a dozen different knobs and is fed information via an on-board telemetry screen and (now limited) instructions from a team of engineers frantically queering their computer programs.

So, all this commotion about telling a driver how to drive may just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[Aberracus]

He is Not dumb, but he is needy of radio coaching, he is just not good enough, is like Vettel with Webber but in this situation, the Webber (Hamilton) is much faster, but have the same bad luck.
Let's hope the racer wins the WDC, if Rossberg wins it will prove anybody could have won on that car,

And lets see what our boys can do without coaching that the others can't, I'm looking forward. Other interesting one is Ric, I have no idea how he will fare.

[F2008]

Couldn’t agree more.
As I might have mentioned 500 times before, the WDC has lost much of its value as pit desk engineers inform, encourage and berate the drivers through each and every race.

But of course, obeying what the desk tells you is not a great help to all drivers; ask FA who although screaming, “This is a mistake. This is wrong” to his engineer still obediently followed the instruction to pit in the last race of 2010 with the result that Vettel took his first WDC.
The irony was that FA is possibly the least needy driver currently on the track when it comes to making decisions at 200 m.p.h in a racecar.

I don’t know, where will it all end….? Burble, burble, burble, burble……:-s

I couldn't agree less. Without a good car design even the best driver should forget about winning the WDC. Team radio or no team radio. If we really want to know who are the best drivers they should be given even equipment or design their own car and do their own pitstops, but neither of these options is Formula One. It will always be a teamsport and that is why this new rule is very strange. Imagine that a football manager is not allowed to coach his players during a game...

[Stormy]

Alonso disagree with the Radio ban. Kimi on the other side is happy i guess, except if there is problems with the car but that's OK because that is part of the game lol.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9476071/Alonso-No-Benefit-To-Rule

Hamilton and Rosberg are cool with it.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9475709/Hamilton-It-s-Back-To-Old-School-Ways

[Hornet]

I couldn't agree less. Without a good car design even the best driver should forget about winning the WDC. Team radio or no team radio. If we really want to know who are the best drivers they should be given even equipment or design their own car and do their own pitstops, but neither of these options is Formula One. It will always be a teamsport and that is why this new rule is very strange. Imagine that a football manager is not allowed to coach his players during a game...

I think that's a good point. At the end of the day, it's a team sport so to expect them to not work as a team is just weird. Team orders, pit strategy, these are all part of working as a team to achieve a common goal.

[mirafiori]

Well I have just read on line BBC sport, that it was Bernie Ecclestone who was behind the decision to ban team radio advice to drivers. I have said many times in the past Bernie has to much influence in the day to day running of the sport. Why do all the teams put up with this lying cheat. Bernie has also been happy for Vettels success over recent years and now Bernie wants Hamilton to win the title this year. Bernie was the one who told Hamilton to go to Mercedes, last year tyre cheating situation at Barcelona, I bet it was Bernie who gave Mercedes permission to test, why would Charlie Whiting give illegal permission to test with out the backing from Bernie. We are all being conned with these idiots running the sport we love.

[Stormy]

Well I have just read on line BBC sport, that it was Bernie Ecclestone who was behind the decision to ban team radio advice to drivers. I have said many times in the past Bernie has to much influence in the day to day running of the sport. Why do all the teams put up with this lying cheat. Bernie has also been happy for Vettels success over recent years and now Bernie wants Hamilton to win the title this year. Bernie was the one who told Hamilton to go to Mercedes, last year tyre cheating situation at Barcelona, I bet it was Bernie who gave Mercedes permission to test, why would Charlie Whiting give illegal permission to test with out the backing from Bernie. We are all being conned with these idiots running the sport we love.
Well no one bothers to protest before the FIA building so...

[Nova]

At one point, this news is really just drivel. F1 popularity is on the backfoot..
hard to understand rules, high tik prices, no sound to excite fans, 1 team winning
everything for 4 years, now another 1 team winning everything, electric cars...
I read on twitter yesterday that the WEC is gaining in popularity as F1 is losing
fans. I have to admit that Ive been watching more WEC and sportscar racing than F1 this year.
F1 news has been basically a soap opera between Nico n Ham (yawn)...no one is writing
about how all the electrics is making racing better or how its influencing motorcars the
public can buy. No one is marveling at the raw speed and technology F1 is bringing to the table.
If I go to COTA this year, it will be for the WEC race, not F1. N thats a shame, but I didnt put F1
in the state its in..they did it themselves. Heck, give me the GT Lemans class racing where
the Ferrari/Porsche wars of old are new again.

[Stormsearcher]

Looks like they might be pulling back on the ban. Not fully, but the teams are in talks with the FIA about this and it may not be in full use at Singapore. See this link from JAonF1

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/09/pushback-on-radio-ban-as-f1-teams-cite-cost-and-reliability-concerns/

[Hornet]

The complexity of the PU makes this knee jerk ruling ridiculous. Even if Bernie demanded it, the FIA, with their technical knowledge, should have known better.

[stefa]

As I said somewhere here on this forum, to mo REAL F1 died at the end of 2008 season. Illness started few years back thou, in 2005 I think, with all new one lap quallifying, grooved tires,... But still some how that was same old F1 that I knew and loved. From 2009 till nowdays especially this years with THIS..... Buzzing annoyance, this is not F1! surelly they look like, but not to me. This year with introduction of hybrid PU in my heart F1 finally died! I am watching it still and supporting Ferrari, but somehow I am not so hyped as in 80, 90 and beginning of 2000....

[Kiwi Nick]

Stefa, 100% agree. But I can add the '60 and '70. The only positive change is that there are far fewer retirements now than years ago. What is most annoying is that the FIA just can't keep themselves from writing more and more rules every year and sometimes several times per year. They have changed the teams from being innovators to being rules cheats. It has had a corrosive effect on the sport, partly because it is immediately assumed that when any team makes a significant gain, they must be cheating. That sets a bad tone for the sport.

[Brembo]

I for one am happy with F1 2014. Two teamates going against each other for the most points is great. Even with Merc having a super car , we don't konw there outcome each race. RB, same thing , let the rookie race for the fans to see a honest race. Drivers in a 1, 2 finish earn the same points for WCC, let them race for WDC points! Even at Williams, defying team orders makes us watch till the end which of their drivers will be ahead. [Hopefully Felipe ] .

[Nand0Nand0]

Can someone please help me with this question??
Is it allowed for Hamilton to be told "you are still pulling the gap" ??? I heard his radio tell him that, I thought he is not allowed to be told information about relative performance????

[ManFromMilan]

Can someone please help me with this question??
Is it allowed for Hamilton to be told "you are still pulling the gap" ??? I heard his radio tell him that, I thought he is not allowed to be told information about relative performance????



I though DR's engineer telling him so much about his brakes were touch and go, but seemingly everybody was within the rule today.

But once again a FIA rule that is not clear or there to make the show better. Rather confuse the fans as the FIA always say;-)

[Hornet]

Well for this season, Charlie Whiting said the aim is just to prevent driver coaching, meaning to tell the driver how to drive to improve his lap time. Many of the other stuff have been postponed to next year after discussions with the team over the weekend.

Ted mentioned that the reason for this is because not every team have the same display layout on their steering, and so the information that the FIA wanted to be shown on the steering screen instead of being told by the pits may not fit into everyone's steering wheel. It's probably not the best thing to do to require teams to revamp their steering wheel with only few races left to go, so I think it makes sense to delay to next season.

[mirafiori]

Well for this season, Charlie Whiting said the aim is just to prevent driver coaching, meaning to tell the driver how to drive to improve his lap time. Many of the other stuff have been postponed to next year after discussions with the team over the weekend.

Ted mentioned that the reason for this is because not every team have the same display layout on their steering, and so the information that the FIA wanted to be shown on the steering screen instead of being told by the pits may not fit into everyone's steering wheel. It's probably not the best thing to do to require teams to revamp their steering wheel with only few races left to go, so I think it makes sense to delay to next season.

Sorry Hornet you say Charlie Whiting said,? do you mean Bernie said, Charlie is just a free loader and a puppet.

[ManFromMilan]

I though DR's engineer telling him so much about his brakes were touch and go, but seemingly everybody was within the rule today.

But once again a FIA rule that is not clear or there to make the show better. Rather confuse the fans as the FIA always say;-)






McLaren Racing Director Eric Boullier believes Red Bull used coded radio messages during the Singapore Grand Prix.

The FIA announced a major clampdown on radio transmissions that help with car or driver performance ahead of the race weekend at the Marina Bay Street Circuit.

However, some of the restrictions were relaxed before FP1 on Friday but coaching in terms of where the driver was losing time, where to brake and how to corner quicker, among other things, remained banned.

Teams tried to best to avoid giving advice on Sunday, but Red Bull at one stage told Daniel Ricciardo, who had a problem with his battery, that "avoiding exit kerbs may help the problem with the car".

Boullier was not impressed and felt the Milton Keynes squad broke the new rules.

"We had no issues (with the new radio rules) on our side," he is quoted as saying by Press Association Sport. "It just made us more busy listening to others to make sure they made no mistakes, like Red Bull twice with Ricciardo.

"I think it was coded, but it is up to the FIA to investigate. It is not for me to investigate.

"But it was a strange message. Once was okay, but twice, three times? You can doubt what exactly the car problem was."

However, Red Bull confirmed via Twitter that they were given the all clear by race control.

"The FIA has confirmed to the Team that it's satisfied the messages were related to car reliability concerns, so no coded messages," it read.


http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/9483634/Boullier-questions-strange-Red-Bull-message