What You Think About 3rd Car on Grid

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Mr E is going ahead for a third car on grid for 2015 and 8 teams.what u think

[stefa]

Mr E is going ahead for a third car on grid for 2015 and 8 teams.what u think

Absolute #$%@#$/*?!?$%^#

[20000rpm]

Now I am sure that the source for Nico's car problems at Singapore gp and Bernie's brain malfunctioning is the new Shellshock bug.

[gimeagui]

I don't like it, and in bad times (like now) we will be 7th instead of 5th.
And I prefer 12 teams with 2 cars than 8 teams with 3 cars.

[Hornet]

Basically, Martin Brundle mention (in one of the previous race weekend) that if only the big teams are left, someone still have to be the loser, and so the big team may pull out of the sport if they find themself at the back end of the grid. The thing with the small teams like Marussia and Caterham is that they are fine being at the back end, they don't threaten to pull out of the sport when they are there every weekend. There are some other disadvantage too with no any good (IMO) solution, for example a dominating team will lock down the entire podium and this is bad for the sport.

I think it's better for the sport to have more teams. Find ways to give the smaller teams more money. From what I understand, bigger teams are getting a huge chunk of the money, although bigger teams have bigger budget to begin with. So perhaps it's unbalance and they should find way to give the smaller teams a bigger share. Of course, getting everyone to agree will probably be a big issue, unless the bigger teams believe that they themself stand to lose if the smaller teams go bankrupt.

[stefa]

I don't like it, and in bad times (like now) we will be 7th instead of 5th.
And I prefer 12 teams with 2 cars than 8 teams with 3 cars.

:thumb

[mirafiori]

Yeah but in good times we could have 1- 2 -3 on the podium.:pray

[ManFromMilan]

It would be super having 10 teams and more with two cars each competing in the F1 world championship. It would also be great if the current cars where actually fighting for a championship, but now only two are.

If three cars are allowed and if it is only the bigger teams that are going to supply an extra car, it would still give the F1 audience a better change of actually seeing some racing.

I believe this should have been allowed years ago.

But allowing a more even and balanced distribution of TV revenues to all teams taking part in F1 would also go a long way in ensuring better and more evenly contested grid. As would rules that actually makes F1 better. We are all fans of F1 because we like motor racing.

[Bertie]

Basically, Martin Brundle mention (in one of the previous race weekend) that if only the big teams are left, someone still have to be the loser, and so the big team may pull out of the sport if they find themself at the back end of the grid. The thing with the small teams like Marussia and Caterham is that they are fine being at the back end, they don't threaten to pull out of the sport when they are there every weekend. There are some other disadvantage too with no any good (IMO) solution, for example a dominating team will lock down the entire podium and this is bad for the sport.

I think it could work as a solution to losing smaller teams and could potentially benefit young drivers and save big teams money. If rules were to state the third car had to be driven by a young/inexperienced (in F1) driver and the engine had to be down-rated by 10-15% of power, then this would effectively make a new championship of young driver of the year - potentially interesting. Also it would avoid the 1 team locking out the podium scenario. This third car due to less power could mean that it could use 2-3 engines a year - along with low driver costs and different livery with alternative sponsors cheap to run. Ok so benefit to the teams - evaluate young drivers in house similar to how RB do with the TR team. The third car could be used as a test-bed for developing and testing upgrades in real life. This could save teams a lot because they would be effectively being sponsored to test and with 19-20 weekends a year - less money wasted on virtual testing.

[Nova]

Bernie has put the teams in this situation..Mabey he's gone bonks. No one is going to give the
small teams more $$. As much as I like to see 3 Ferrari's on the grid, I dont feel its good for the sport.
Then again, what has the fia done recently that IS good for the sport.
So I prefer 2 car teams, but Bernie has to make it easier for the small teams to stay. Why would
a small team enter F1 not sure if they can have the few years nec to even get midfield.
Bernie=Bonks
Todt=Clueless
Actually, given the current engine freeze, Im not sure, if I were a large racing team, that
I'd even want to remain in F1.

[Liscia]

I'm not for it either and an extra car, driver and personnel on the payroll are so NOT
in keeping with BS cost reduction? Where is there any consistency in their regulations?
If they allow unlimited testing (on your own track if
you have one) and car/engine updates THROUGHOUT the season then it would be F1
AGAIN. It's been really so much BS for quite a while now and they're fretting at attendance
figures? Gee, I wonder why? DUH!!!

[Tony]

I think this could interesting if it were part of a larger solution that includes bringing back testing... you'd be left with the bigger car companies on the grid that could spend more money because they already have more money rather than needing to rely share of profits to make them float...

As it stands right now, the fastest manufacturer in the first race is the one that will end the season as such, there is just no way for teams to catch up. The sport needs to bring back accelerated the old formula 1 where massive gains could be made between races and you never new which team could win...

[Stormy]

12 teams with 3 cars would be a blast :-D

[Alessandra]

12 teams with 3 cars would be a blast :-D

But wouldn't the garages have to be larger to accommodate 3 cars , plus another group go mechanics?

The pit lane would go on for ever!

[Kingdom Hearts]

If the third car is use for young drivers, I'm OK with it.

[The Hajj]

Reading through the posts. I see things like, "We need small teams to be the designated losers", "Third car must be under powered and driven by a rookie", "Bring back testing", etc.

When will F1 fans realize that the RULES are what killed their sport?

The last decade has seen F1 repeatedly implement rules designed to increase "excitement" but in reality, the rules take away the essence of the sport - racing right on the limits. The current state of F1 cannot be sustained as it is really not racing. The teams have become managers of fuel and tires, not risk takers or fearless seekers of speed.

Get rid of the ridiculous rules and let the teams RACE. This alone will save F1.

[wisepie]

Reading through the posts. I see things like, "We need small teams to be the designated losers", "Third car must be under powered and driven by a rookie", "Bring back testing", etc.

When will F1 fans realize that the RULES are what killed their sport?

The last decade has seen F1 repeatedly implement rules designed to increase "excitement" but in reality, the rules take away the essence of the sport - racing right on the limits. The current state of F1 cannot be sustained as it is really not racing. The teams have become managers of fuel and tires, not risk takers or fearless seekers of speed.

Get rid of the ridiculous rules and let the teams RACE. This alone will save F1.

Agree 100% with your thoughts, technology must play a part (hybrids etc) but the rules about engine freezes and no testing mean that whoever starts the season on top will remian there and that's not what F1 is supposed to be, it's motor-RACING for heaven's sake.:-E

[FerrariF60]

i personally don't think that ALL teams can afford 3 cars on the grid; i think that 4 or maybe 5 teams tops can afford this...Ferrari, merc, red fools, mclaren and maybe, just maybe williams.

i also think that this would be a HUGE opportunity for us to get on top of things (since we have a hard time with CFD and wind tunnel development, ok maybe not so much now but still) and by running a THIRD car, that would be a TEST MULE; we'd be testing all sort of parts, make sure they work 100%, and then slap them on car # 1 and 2

what do u guys think?? i think is an awesome idea

[aroutis]

I think this could interesting if it were part of a larger solution that includes bringing back testing... you'd be left with the bigger car companies on the grid that could spend more money because they already have more money rather than needing to rely share of profits to make them float...

As it stands right now, the fastest manufacturer in the first race is the one that will end the season as such, there is just no way for teams to catch up. The sport needs to bring back accelerated the old formula 1 where massive gains could be made between races and you never new which team could win...My thoughts exactly.
I would welcome the third car, as long as there is also in year testing returning as well.
That would make sense, however, if the stupid freeze rules that right now exist , stand for next year, I see no point.

[Alonsomaniac]

Three cars on the grid for a team does not make it more interesting - not for us or the teams.
What killed F1 is the amount of restrictions on the design and building of the car.
For me this would be enough:

Teams have to build or buy an engine, with these restrictions: it has to be a 6 cilinder turbo, 1.6 litres and hybrid.
That's it. How you build that engine, how many rpm, how many horsepower? Just as you wish.
And the car? It's an F1 car, so it has to be as fast as possible. No restrictions on the car, or it must be that 4 wheels are the standard and some sizes.....and no DRS or push to pass buttons, active suspension or that kind of gimmicks. Although, active suspension............
Testing? If you have the money, then test as much as you like.

That's how you push the teams to build a real F1 car, and that's what we want to see on track.

[Nova]

I think this could interesting if it were part of a larger solution that includes bringing back testing... you'd be left with the bigger car companies on the grid that could spend more money because they already have more money rather than needing to rely share of profits to make them float...

As it stands right now, the fastest manufacturer in the first race is the one that will end the season as such, there is just no way for teams to catch up. The sport needs to bring back accelerated the old formula 1 where massive gains could be made between races and you never new which team could win...

I used to look forward to see just who made the gains from race to race. You never knew
who would win. I found that exciting always looking at the new parts, who pushed the limits.
If so many people do not like the rules, why does the fia persist and lately even get more ridiculous?
They shoot themselves in the foot, then instead of fixing it, they go ahead and shoot
themselves in the other foot.

[Senna4Ever]

I would prefer more in season testing instead of a 3rd car ... and second: just try to make 2 winner cars and then think about if it should be 3

[Brembo]

A third car not on the grid but as a T car would be great to bring back.

[Suzie]

I wouldn't want to see third cars personally. Imagine if one team was massively dominant - you could end up having several races where all 3 podium spots went to them.

[F2008]

I think it's not a serious idea from Ecclestone but a way to threat smaller teams who want a different distribution of the price money.
With 3 cars per team it would have been almost impossible for Ferrari to get a podium this season.

[Winter]

Some teams might use that third car for testing purposes. What is lost in 1 car being a test car could bring better results as running them all with same purpose..

[eddie]

2 is already a handful. Bernie wants 3, more resources = more money.

Logistics wise, it will be a nightmare....

[dpiatto]

Would sooner see all teams with a realistic chance of winning than some just put in to make up the numbers.
Good idea, should have been done years ago and could never understand how F1 has survived this long with half the grid having no chance of winning.

[Hornet]

Would sooner see all teams with a realistic chance of winning than some just put in to make up the numbers.
Good idea, should have been done years ago and could never understand how F1 has survived this long with half the grid having no chance of winning.

At the moment we only have 1 team with the chance of winning, unless they completely screw up occasionally. Removing the smaller team isn't going to fix it.

[kinkas]

2 cars per team, that's the way to go. The Caterham's and Force India's of the world are necessary in their respective places (back and mid of the grid). Don't kill them by adding a 3rd car.

[Nand0Nand0]

I don't agree with 3rd cars, but I do think that customer cars could be a viable alternative. It should help reduce costs and open the door to more track testing. There would need to be rules to help keep competition and diversity. Part of the additional testing could be designated as car testing days where the maker and all customers share data etc. So for example, if Sauber Marussia and Haas were Ferrari clients, then some testing days would be run as join/shared data days. Teams would still have their private testing days.

[eugene22n]

I'm for anything that gets the garbage teams off the grid. Teams that have zero hope to ever fight for wins aren't F1 worthy.

[stefa]

I'm for anything that gets the garbage teams off the grid. Teams that have zero hope to ever fight for wins aren't F1 worthy.

So, by your thinking F1 should have following teams:

Ferrari
McLaren
Mercedes
Red Bull
Williams
?!?!?!?

That would be very interesting... (Heavy sarcasm mode)

[Rishu]

So, by your thinking F1 should have following teams:

Ferrari
McLaren
Mercedes
Red Bull
Williams
?!?!?!?

That would be very interesting...

That will be painful for me to hear one or two of them being called back markers

[aroutis]

So, by your thinking F1 should have following teams:

Ferrari
McLaren
Mercedes
Red Bull
Williams
?!?!?!?

That would be very interesting... (Heavy sarcasm mode)

Sauber
Haas
Toro Rosso
The latter 3 with 2 cars of course.

Plus I think that 3 cars deal could be a good thing, for the sport. I think that the teams that join this sport should be there if they can afford the long run and it's idiotic that the big teams should adopt to the constraints of the small teams.
Perhaps what I am saying here sounds cruel , but in reality it's pragmatic, when for example Ferrari has invested (heavily) in its own private track, it's ridiculous for anyone to ask them not to use it, because for instance others don't have one; tough luck I say. Same for other big teams, should they have an advantage over others, they should be free to use it.

That, is called competition, that drives this sport forward, and this sport is a sport that by definition is a sport for the few and not a sport for everyone.

[ALO]

one car :-P