2017 Italian GP: Race

[jgonzalesm6]

Looks dry and sunny today.

Hopefully everyone makes it past the first chicane and then Vettel and Kimi get past traffic.

[jgonzalesm6]

Massa's advice to Stroll in P2: 'Just go for it' :-D

Felipe Massa has told Lance Stroll to "go for it" as his Williams teammate prepares to start alongside Lewis Hamilton on the front row of the Italian Grand Prix grid.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/20557042/massa-advice-stroll-p2-just-go-it

[FerrarIreland]

I hope Stroll and Ocon really do go for it down to the first corner. Potential for some carnage.

[Voy]

Fingers crossed for Seb and Kimi. Under circumstances, desperately, I wouldn't mind some force majeure intervention today - Lewis DNF for instance.

[mwk360]

Fingers crossed for Seb and Kimi. Under circumstances, desperately, I wouldn't mind some force majeure intervention today - Lewis DNF for instance.

:pray:pray

[Otakukim]

We just need to keep our noses clean into turn one. Races are not won in the first corner

[WS6TransAm01]

My wish: Seb takes Ocon and Stroll by turn 1. Pushed Hamilton wide like he did to Alonso. 1st by the second chicane lol.

[FerrarIreland]

Apparently the car Alonso was in for the drivers parade lap broke down. He had to jump in with Palmer. Alonso has no luck with cars :lol

[Voy]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7308&stc=1

Locked and loaded for the race. Forza Ferrari!!!! :ferrarifl

[458 Italia]

I hope we have something up our sleeves for this afternoon.

[FerrariF60]

My wish: Seb takes Ocon and Stroll by turn 1. Pushed Hamilton wide like he did to Alonso. 1st by the second chicane lol.

thta is easier said then done mate.....don't forget Bottas is up there too; so he'd have to get passed him also

[Otakukim]

What tyres are we starting on?

[nani_s23]

thta is easier said then done mate.....don't forget Bottas is up there too; so he'd have to get passed him also

Bottas will try to block vet for hamster. For giving him 3rd place in Hungary.

[mizf1]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7308&stc=1

Locked and loaded for the race. Forza Ferrari!!!! :ferrarifl

Similar set up to me lol

[FerrariF60]

What tyres are we starting on?

i'd imagine super soft....

[mizf1]

Bottas will try to block vet for hamster. For giving him 3rd place in Hungary.

He will play the team game and forget his own push for the title as he still not signed yet.

[nani_s23]

He will play the team game and forget his own push for the title as he still not signed yet.

Yeah.

[mizf1]

We need to displace Ocon and stroll quick as we cant afford to be sat behind them.

[FerrariF60]

He will play the team game and forget his own push for the title as he still not signed yet.

i'm afraid so as well....he's a clear NUMBER TWO driver now.....lol jst like kimi is

[Otakukim]

Ohh ok. I thought we were going for an alternative strategy or we split our strategies

[mizf1]

Is it a 1 stopper or 2? The track is greener from all the rain yday so has not rubbered in over the weekend like other tracks so tyre deg might be higher

[nani_s23]

Is it a 1 stopper or 2? The track is greener from all the rain yday so has not rubbered in over the weekend like other tracks so tyre deg might be higher

1stop. Pretty straight fwd strategy. SS then Softs.

[stefa]

:ferrarifl hope this will be our lucky 13 :-D

[nani_s23]

I think it's better to use Kimi as buffer for vet. By trying him on alternate strategy.
Longer stint as mercs will pit n Kimi can come into play.

[Scuderia85]

Forza Ferrari!

[Hornet]

Best of luck everyone.
Hopefully whatever setup we did will work well under this sunny condition

[nani_s23]

Tyre graining will be a factor. As track is fresh again.

[Christopher]

Hopefully we can jump bottas being behind him would be a disaster

[Scuderia85]

damage limitation to day?

[vcs316]

A flurry of grid penalties have been applied, so here's how the grid lines up today:
1 Hamilton
2 Stroll
3 Ocon
4 Bottas
5 Raikkonen
6 Vettel
7 Massa
8 Kvyat
9 Magnussen
10 Perez
11 Ericsson
12 Wehrlein
13 Verstappen
14 Hulkenberg
15 Sainz
16 Ricciardo
17 Palmer
18 Vandoorne
19 Alonso
20 Grosjean

[mwk360]

a hamilton dnf would be the rarest thing to happen, but damn please let it be, that crowd need ferrari on top

[FerrariF60]

damage limitation to day?

from the way we qualified i'd say YES......the mercs being an engine track seem to be more rapid here; but we have hope that with next cirucuits coming up we'll be a lot stronger and back in the championship hunt and taking the lead again

but todays' race is long and as we all know anything can happen in F1

[vcs316]

Here we go!

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/woM-NesznVlmyCorA0Cemg/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/zR6r6B0OSEW96zxvfAfV_GettyImages-842142692.jpg

[Scuderia85]

a hamilton dnf would be the rarest thing to happen, but damn please let it be, that crowd need ferrari on top

:pray

[stefa]

Hope FM don't do anything funny

[Otakukim]

Just keep it clean

[Christopher]

Got to watch out for verstappin and riccardo on the softs

[mwk360]

i hope kimi lets seb through soon

[wacc]

Forza Ferrari!
:ferrarifl

[jgonzalesm6]

Here we go!

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Frecce Tricolori

[mwk360]

:pray

[458 Italia]

hamilton has started early with his mind games.

[vcs316]

"It felt pretty poor," says Lewis Hamilton of his grip levels getting away from the grid.

[Christopher]

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[mwk360]

please go for the kill mr stroll, today is your day to be a hero

[vecchiasignora]

bottas and kimi at it.

[458 Italia]

bad start.

[mwk360]

go kimi!!!!!!!!!!!1

[vcs316]

Go kimi!

[stefa]

SV need to clear VB ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[458 Italia]

and off into the distance hamilton goes :roll

[totox]

That's all.

[mwk360]

bottas way to quick

[stefa]

Great :furious

[vecchiasignora]

Kimi should have just crashed to Bottas.

[vcs316]

Verstappen started 13th and is now 8th

[458 Italia]

we just can't match Mercedes.

[mwk360]

Mercs destroy ferrari on straight line, so much for having less downforce

[stefa]

And now to snooze fest

[jgonzalesm6]

Lambo safety car????

[vcs316]

So Hamilton is going to walk it. We will manage 3rd/4th/5th at best.

[mwk360]

safety cars needed alot to help us here

[stefa]

Mercs destroy ferrari on straight line, so much for having less downforce

There is no such thing as dry and wet set up. Just fast and slow car!

[FerrariF60]

And now to snooze fest

yup until the pit stop

[458 Italia]

I can't watch this :-(

[mwk360]

ferrari look slow, seb looks poor

[vcs316]

"I think it's dead mate - the front wing, it's gone," says Grosjean.

[vecchiasignora]

our best hope is 3rd with vettel. Raikkonen has to let Vettel thru.

[mwk360]

stroll and ocon leaving ferrari behind

[mwk360]

lol max!

[vcs316]

Verstappen out?

[Christopher]

:rotfl:rotfl

[totox]

Lambo SC, not a Ferrari but far better than the actual amg gt.

[Greig]

haha Max

[stefa]

Lambo safety car????

On Ferrari circuit!?!?!?

[mwk360]

Yesterday's pace wasnt a wet weather thing, whatever setup ferrari chose is terrible for this track

[mwk360]

Mercs 1 - 2 ...

[vcs316]

And Mercedes are 1-2 on Lap 4.

[stefa]

Mercs 1 - 2 ...

Unless DNF

[458 Italia]

Something has gone very badly wrong here.

[totox]

Unless DNF

It never happens to them

[stefa]

Yesterday's pace wasnt a wet weather thing, whatever setup ferrari chose is terrible for this track

It is all about engine power...

[Kyss4k]

Merc 1-2 already... bye bye to any chance for damage limitation. WDC lead is lost

[FerrariF60]

yup sadly....liet' hope we can get third for damage limitation this weeknend

[mwk360]

Ferrari need to catch stroll asap, hamilton and bottas running away like silverstone and canada

[vcs316]

Verstappen collided with Massa, who was on the inside of him into the first chicane. "What the f*** was he doing?!" says the Red Bull driver.

[stefa]

It never happens to them

There is always 1st time

[vecchiasignora]

so hamilton will leading by 8points after this race. we need 3rd spot to minimize it to 3.

[zike]

And Mercedes are 1-2 on Lap 4.

Do we still have the best car Seb, what a joke

[Otakukim]

We have the pace for third. And we will be goig to singapore next. Its fine

[Scuderia85]

damage limitation mode

[mwk360]

vettel 4th thank goodness

[458 Italia]

Turned it off, relying on this forum now.

[Greig]

Do we still have the best car Seb, what a joke

When did he say that then? oh you mean in Spa which was a different race?

[mwk360]

Mercedes never have any dnf threats :/

[Otakukim]

Merc 1-2 already... bye bye to any chance for damage limitation. WDC lead is lost

We loat it at monza of all places lol

[mwk360]

Turned it off, relying on this forum now.

vettel catching ocon bro :-) , but mercs are long gone

[vcs316]

Vettel aggressive. Looking to clear the Force India..

[stefa]

KR ?!?!?!?!?!

[vcs316]

"We're happy with the pace to Ocon," Stroll is told. So it's clear Williams aren't too worried about battling with the Ferraris but are focusing on a longer-term rival.

[mwk360]

hopefully ferrari never use this setup again, massa is catching kimi

[stefa]

Vettel aggressive. Looking to clear the Force India..

It is not going to be easy at all

[stefa]

hopefully ferrari never use this setup again, massa is catching kimi

With a lot help from KR

[mwk360]

vettel 3rd!!!!!!! kimi says he has damage

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes never have any dnf threats :/

Kimi and Bottas hit....

[vcs316]

Finally!

[stefa]

It is not going to be easy at all

My bad :-D

[vecchiasignora]

as always whenever kimi - bottas contact, its kimis car that gets screwed.

[Greig]

Seb P3 good recovery

[vcs316]

"I have damage on the rear of the car," Raikkonen says. The team says they can see nothing.

[mwk360]

Merc dnf please :pray

[Noquarter]

Raikkonen ing loser.

[Scuderia85]

We have the pace for third. And we will be goig to singapore next. Its fine

i hope so to

[stefa]

just 6 second behind.... Not bad...

[mwk360]

as always whenever kimi - bottas contact, its kimis car that gets screwed.

sad but true, kimi pays the price always and bottas gets away

[FerrariF60]

My bad :-D

prolly third is best we can do today....ferrari seem to have no answer for the merc's new engine

[mwk360]

Bottas putting in fastest lap now

[mwk360]

Bottas is 1.2seconds faster than vettel a lap

[fronaldo]

P3 is the minimum today..

[Greig]

Bottas is 1.2seconds faster than vettel a lap

Seb was overtaking

[mwk360]

Kimi is about to be drs by massa

[stefa]

SV is way slower than Mercedes duo. No answer to this....

[stefa]

P3 is the minimum today..

You meant MAXIMUM!

[vcs316]

We are 0.5 - 0.7 sec slower per lap compared to the Mercs.

[mwk360]

Bottas should race hamilton :P, put him under pressure

[F2003GA]

P3 is the minimum today..

and unfortunately the max as well

[FerrariF60]

You meant MAXIMUM!

lol....i'm sure that's waht he meant

[Schumiklub]

We're lacking power 7 tenths slower, maybe the track will come to us as it rubbers in.

[Kyss4k]

Still more than half a second per lap slower

[stefa]

SV laps are between 0,5 to 0,8 sec slower than LH

[mwk360]

Hamilton is banging in FL now , Feel bad for vettel

[stefa]

We're lacking power 7 tenths slower, maybe the track will come to us as it rubbers in.

But that will be when LH and VB have like 20 sec lead

[nani_s23]

Every race Kimi says some damage on car. He's nowhere today

[WS6TransAm01]

Hamilton is pulling away from Seb by a full second a lap. We're boned. Just cruise to 3rd. No chance at anything higher.

[Otakukim]

Just limit the damage. Three points is not bad

[Seb]

This race is all about damage limitation now...

[Schumiklub]

But that will be when LH and VB have like 20 sec lead

Well, other than an issue there is very little to hope for.

[mwk360]

more than half a second slower per lap, hamilton will get a free pitstop at this rate

[hakanabi]

P3 is the minimum today..

You mean maximum?

[Schumiklub]

Kimi finally catching up to Stroll again.

[Warp]

Mercedes is unreachable here. Damage limitation.....

[Schumiklub]

SV is going faster each lap, I guess he wasn't comfortable with the car, now he's getting into the groove.

[zike]

SV laps are between 0,5 to 0,8 sec slower than LH

This not a championship callbire car!

[vcs316]

Vettel, in third, doesn't look to have Mercedes-bothering pace. He's only a few tenths slower, but he's now 11.5s behind Hamilton and 8.5s behind Bottas.

[FerrariF60]

Just limit the damage. Three points is not bad

yup, all we can do this weekened.....but then agian we knew that coming into the weekend also

[mwk360]

This not a championship callbire car!

true, the engine and aero are inferior at this point in the season

[stefa]

Well, other than an issue there is very little to hope for.

Unfortunately

[vcs316]

"We need to get close to these guys in front," Raikkonen is told. He says he doesn't know how to fix the rear end problem he is having.

[mwk360]

kimi's car unable to pass stroll & ocon still

[nuni]

Seb was overtaking

No. That was a lap before. He lost 0,7s only in Sector 2.

Is embarrassing.

[Otakukim]

Even if we had started p3. We were going to finish p3 with our pace

[mwk360]

will this be another Zzz race? seems like it

[Schumiklub]

S2 is killing us, I guess we had to go for a lower downforce setup to get more top speed.

[Greig]

No. That was a lap before. He lost 0,7s only in Sector 2.

Is embarrassing.

Not really

[FerrarIreland]

Kim can't even get close to Stroll :ouch

[mwk360]

hamilton another fastest lap... yikes . . .

[vcs316]

This not a championship callbire car!


true, the engine and aero are inferior at this point in the season

This is the same car which has allowed Seb to lead the championship thus far.

[FerrariF60]

Even if we had started p3. We were going to finish p3 with our pace

id have to agree with you........the mercs are a LOT stronger at this power track

[vcs316]

"These upshifts are killing our race," barks Alonso. McLaren is looking into it.

[fronaldo]

safety car please

[Scuderia85]

P3 i our maximum to day

[Greig]

Kimi pits

[vcs316]

Kimi pits

[mwk360]

Ferrari surely had better speed than this on the straights?? hopefully kimi sorts his problem

[mwk360]

any idea distance between vettel and ocon/stroll?

[vecchiasignora]

ocon ruined kimis race.

[zike]

This is the same car which has allowed Seb to lead the championship thus far.

Not anymore, it's inferior to Merc in every way

[darkchild]

Maybe Lorenzo Sassi was fired because engine is further away compared to Merc then in 2015?

[stefa]

Almost every LH lap is FL :-E

[Greig]

Not anymore, it's inferior to Merc in every way

No it's not stop talking complete rubbish

[458 Italia]

a stuck wheel a cross threaded nut for hamilton, just something to fall our way for once would be good.

[mwk360]

ricciardo is a beast

[mwk360]

ricciardo def ferrari matrial :P, vettel needs to extend his gap behind before he pits

[mwk360]

a stuck wheel a cross threaded nut for hamilton, just something to fall our way for once would be good.

i would pay good money for that :-)

[zike]

No it's not stop talking complete rubbish

Yeah you just can't see how faster they are, so fast it looks like they are slow

[vcs316]

Not anymore, it's inferior to Merc in every way

:roll

[mwk360]

vettel 16s behind

[Seb]

Another year another embarrassing race at Monza for us.

[Greig]

Yeah you just can't see how faster they are, so fast it looks like they are slow

Everyone knew this would be a track for Merc....apart from you probably.

[mwk360]

mercs look like dynamite

[vcs316]

"Five seconds is a joke, a joke," Alonso says when told of Palmer's penalty.

[zike]

vettel 16s behind

So fast, can't you see we have the fastest car

[Schumiklub]

This is so painful to watch, unfortunately. Lost 1.3 seconds last lap.

[nuni]

ocon ruined kimis race.

why?

[Greig]

So fast, can't you see we have the fastest car

Who has said that? again stop talking rubbish.

[nani_s23]

Gr8. Mercs into free pit stop window almost

[Scuderia85]

1.24.7 LH ??!!!

[Red is Best]

I'm sure they messed up with the car setup, there is no way we are that much slower. Embarrassing race.

[Kyss4k]

This is the same car which has allowed Seb to lead the championship thus far.

You said it. That's the problem... it's the same car. No true upgrades on it.

[FerrariF60]

Everyone knew this would be a track for Merc....apart from you probably.

ha, ha....very true, we all knew that but this mate

[vcs316]

Daniel Ricicardo has been the biggest mover in Monza, and he is now within DRS range of Massa's Williams.

The Honey Badger is gaining fast...

[Greig]

You said it. That's the problem... it's the same car. No true upgrades on it.

That's not true now is it....

[mwk360]

ferrari probably using last years engine

[vecchiasignora]

we need massa to slow down ricciardo. i think kimi will lose to massa and ricciardo

[stefa]

Everyone knew this would be a track for Merc....apart from you probably.

To be honest somehow I did not image this much....

[Kyss4k]

Over a second slower in a clear air... wow! This season is starting to turn away from us

[mwk360]

ricciardo is behind vettel now

[zike]

Everyone knew this would be a track for Merc....apart from you probably.

Excuses and only excuses, year after year

[mwk360]

bottas no problem

[vcs316]

You said it. That's the problem... it's the same car. No true upgrades on it.

When we get to Singapore, everyone will change their tune!

[458 Italia]

mercs look like dynamite

shame they're not made of it....

[mwk360]

i will donate 1$ to charity if hamilton dnfs

[Greig]

Excuses and only excuses, year after year

What was the excuse? nobody made excuses stop crying.

[Christopher]

This is depressing but expected

[stefa]

When we get to Singapore, everyone will change their tune!

But them we are going to trail LH by 3 points...

[mwk360]

they said vettel cant even get into the mid 1:25s , hamilton is in the 1:24s

[mwk360]

shame they're not made of it....

LOL!

[Greig]

they said vettel cant even get into the mid 1:25s , hamilton is in the 1:24s

Yeah cause Ted knows all....

[zike]

Over a second slower in a clear air... wow! This season is starting to turn away from us
Don't be so pessimistic, can you see how fast we are

[Kyss4k]

That's not true now is it....

Well, not entierly, but just taking a look at Mercedes... their car looks different, then at the start of the season. New nose, new diffuser, new bardgeboard area, new under-nose... We? What is new?

[mwk360]

they said ricciardo could catch vettel at this rate, he will have the faster tyres towards the end

[vcs316]

i will donate 1$ to charity if hamilton dnfs

I will donate 1$ if you stop your negative posts.

[nani_s23]

I'm sure Kimi can't overtake any car this year. He just sits behind another car that's it.

[vecchiasignora]

with today win, mercedes won 4 of last 5 races. momenetum is on their side.

[Greig]

Well, not entierly, but just taking a look at Mercedes... their car looks different, then at the start of the season. New nose, new diffuser, new bardgeboard area, new under-nose... We? What is new?

We could change all that, but if it does not make the car faster then no point....

[Hornet]

Merc still have an advantage on the engine, so its not surprising that they are faster here.

We just need to get that podium spot, we'll take the fight to them again in Singapore

[nani_s23]

they said ricciardo could catch vettel at this rate, he will have the faster tyres towards the end
No way

[mwk360]

vettel is 11th in the speedtrap, what the heck?? what type of setup did they use???

[nani_s23]

During ferrari pit stop, crew removed one wing. For top speed

[FerrarIreland]

The only hope Ferrari have is for Hamiltons engine to go boom.

[mwk360]

I'm sure Kimi can't overtake any car this year. He just sits behind another car that's it.

kimi should turn into hamilton when he overlaps him, :-)

[darkchild]

No need to.search for the problem. We probably have absolute stonking chassis and engine that is between Renault and Merc. This is track with 75% full throttle.

[vcs316]

vettel is 11th in the speedtrap, what the heck?? what type of setup did they use???

He has put on 10 kg with all the pasta he ate. Hence the car is slower and 11th in the speed trap.

[Greig]

Well done Kimi

[mwk360]

Kimi!!!!!!!! yay finally!! cant believe it took that long

[vecchiasignora]

what a move by kimi. what a move. champions move.

[Kyss4k]

We could change all that, but if it does not make the car faster then no point....

We clearly need to make the car faster though. And by not making a change, it will not become faster by itself sadly. I just hope to see some major upgrade, they are secretly working on... It would really be a shame to throw out the season due to our signature poor in season development, after we started so well.

[stefa]

vettel is 11th in the speedtrap, what the heck?? what type of setup did they use???

Slow :rotfl

[mwk360]

He has put on 10 kg with all the pasta he ate. Hence the car is slower and 11th in the speed trap.

lol maybe he is holding on to an ironclad contract or something

[Kyss4k]

Good, Kimi, good!

[Christopher]

Going to be close between Riccardo and Raikkonen

[vcs316]

Raikkonen gets DRS on the main straight, Ocon moves to the inside to defend, but the Ferrari swoops around the outside to take the place. Ocon attacks into the next chicane (without DRS), but Raikkonen covers the inside line and fends him off. That should be job done.

[FerrarIreland]

Hurrah, Kimi up to a nett 4th

[mwk360]

vettel struggling with the rears, ricciardo is only 14s behind

[stefa]

Now SV is full second slower... Tires are going off, and DR is coming closer

[Otakukim]

Thank goodness im working today and cant see this race live. Hahah. Anyway we NEED To win singapore. Its sebs best track so it should be easy right?? ��

[nani_s23]

Vet reporting struggling rear tyres.

[bobi_ve]

Half of the race you cant overtake Ocon!
Thats the answer and difference between Mercedes and Ferrari.
Thats why we cannot win WCC until we get two super drivers in the team.
Wait for WCC fight as soon as 2019!

[vecchiasignora]

as is, it will finish

1 hamilton 2 bottas 3 vettel 4 ricciardo 5 kimi

[nani_s23]

vettel struggling with the rears, ricciardo is only 14s behind

Man he's due to make pit stop

[mwk360]

pit vettel, nothing can stop mercedes here

[vcs316]

"I'm struggling with the rear now," Vettel reports.

[Kyss4k]

And it's not tyre preservation as Seb already has issues with the rear

[gump1480]

Ferraris are so slow on laptimes and speed trap..

[zike]

We clearly need to make the car faster though. And by not making a change, it will not become faster by itself sadly. I just hope to see some major upgrade, they are secretly working on... It would really be a shame to throw out the season due to our signature poor in season development, after we started so well.

That's what we are best at, to make a car slower that it was, can't you see what a fantastic job we did

[mwk360]

Thank goodness im working today and cant see this race live. Hahah. Anyway we NEED To win singapore. Its sebs best track so it should be easy right?? ��

after this weekend i wonder if ferrari have taken a stepback sadly, i hope we can bounce back though

[mwk360]

pit vettel before we get another silverstone situation

[vecchiasignora]

what are we waiting to stop vettel? is he faster then ricciardo?

[mwk360]

stroll is impressive today, he is not falling off like i imagined, ocon too

[vcs316]

Perez is having a discussion with the team about when to pit - his tyres are clearly in good shape so he has the option to extend it. He's just set his personal best lap of the race in fifth.