2018 F1 news

[zike]

Sassi to join Merc.

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 Pirelli Compound choise 2018 F1 Season

#AustralianGp
#BahrainGp
#ChineseGP

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQxXXm9V4AAm4bI.jpg

[jgonzalesm6]

Sassi to join Merc.

turning a lemon into lemonade???

[zike]

turning a lemon into lemonade???

Did they turn Allison into lemonade, or he was always a lemonade :-D

[zike]

F1 Pirelli Compound choise 2018 F1 Season

#AustralianGp
#BahrainGp
#ChineseGP

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQxXXm9V4AAm4bI.jpg

no hypersoft for the first tree GPs

[wisepie]

I do wonder why Ferrari seem to keep losing important design/technical people with inside info, maybe Marchionne is a bit too ruthless and intransigent for the good of the F1 team, which isn't just another Fiat-Chrysler division.:-E

[jgonzalesm6]

Did they turn Allison into lemonade, or he was always a lemonade :-D

more like sour grapes.:-D

[Silent Bob]

I wonder why they need another engine guy? Did they lose someone? If not, maybe it's time for Ferrari to start some aggressive recruiting.

[jgonzalesm6]

I do wonder why Ferrari seem to keep losing important design/technical people with inside info, maybe Marchionne is a bit too ruthless and intransigent for the good of the F1 team, which isn't just another Fiat-Chrysler division.:-E


I wonder why they need another engine guy? Did they lose someone? If not, maybe it's time for Ferrari to start some aggressive recruiting.

Maybe its a GodFather tactic (aka Luca Brasi): make like your unhappy with the family, gain their trust and gather info? :-D

[jragona]

Maybe its a GodFather tactic (aka Luca Brasi): make like your unhappy with the family, gain their trust and gather info? :-D

Love that... we may see this in a move in 20 years from now! :clap

[Stormy]

Maybe its a GodFather tactic (aka Luca Brasi): make like your unhappy with the family, gain their trust and gather info? :-D

LOL

[Christopher]

Maybe its a GodFather tactic (aka Luca Brasi): make like your unhappy with the family, gain their trust and gather info? :-D

Mclaren already tried that in 07

[Stormy]

Mclaren already tried that in 07

Nah, they are just Godfather wannabees. Ferrari is the real deal and will know how to pull it off.

[mwk360]

Sassi to join Merc.

well thats depressing

[FerrariF60]

well thats depressing

Yup, it seems like whoever Ferrari is firing, Mercedes is picking them up, just like Aldo Costa
We fried him, Mercedes picked him up and now he built a better car

[jgonzalesm6]

Yup, it seems like whoever Ferrari is firing, Mercedes is picking them up, just like Aldo Costa
We fried him, Mercedes picked him up and now he built a better car


Sassi, Costa and Allison all making the move and going to Mercedes........says something about what's going on internally with Ferrari in the F1 dept. Man, I would give my right kidney to work in the Ferrari F1 dept back in the day but now would Ferrari be appreciative of it.... I would have to think twice about it.

[FerrariF60]

Sassi, Costa and Allison all making the move and going to Mercedes........says something about what's going on internally with Ferrari in the F1 dept. Man, I would give my right kidney to work in the Ferrari F1 dept back in the day but now would Ferrari be appreciative of it.... I would have to think twice about it.

Even to this day I’d give my left Nut to work for Ferrari F1.....and that is no joke

[Stormy]

Sassi, Costa and Allison all making the move and going to Mercedes........says something about what's going on internally with Ferrari in the F1 dept. Man, I would give my right kidney to work in the Ferrari F1 dept back in the day but now would Ferrari be appreciative of it.... I would have to think twice about it.

Thing is we don't know what really goes in the Ferrari team internally. We don't really know what was Sassi and Allison doing and their impact on the team. Everything is kept so secret that we can only speculate. However, i get what you are saying, superficially it looks bad with all this sacking and Merc snatching Ferrari's former top engineers.

[jpalmito]

Thing is we don't know what really goes in the Ferrari team internally. We don't really know what was Sassi and Allison doing and their impact on the team. Everything is kept so secret that we can only speculate. However, i get what you are saying, superficially it looks bad with all this sacking and Merc snatching Ferrari's former top engineers.

You're right, we can only speculate.
If they fired Allison and Sassi they had to have good reasons to do so.
Marchionne's new structure proved to be very efficient last year ending years of
Impunity (tombazis,fry...)when the team failed.
Costa was a big loss because ldm didn't realize Aldo wasn't a technical director but a highly skilled engineer.

[Stormy]

didn't realize Aldo wasn't a technical director but a highly skilled engineer.
Yeah, some people like Ted Kravitz are calling him the king of suspension or something.

[jgonzalesm6]

It seems Arrivabenne is fighting with the hierachy of the organization and trying to make it somewhat flatter. Might as well start somewhere and sometime.

Maurizio Arrivabene says Ferrari must learn to emulate Mercedes' winning mindset

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/21754706/maurizio-arrivabene-says-ferrari-learn-emulate-mercedes-winning-mindset

and


Allison gives us some insight of Mercedes culture and Ferrari culture.

Interview: How "unusually different" Mercedes has invigorated Allison

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/interview-mercedes-invigorated-allison-943680/

[XXX132]

Various reports are suggesting MB have recruited Lorenzo Sassi, former Ferrari engine man...

[NasI]

We all know the flourishing Mercedes reasons. It is not because of their engineers but because of their engine. They had the glory to shine at Ferrari and it didn’t happened. Taking Ferrari engineers it is a sign of doubt that they have inside their plans. Now when we are so close and almost would have won they fear the next year. Ferrari is not stupid to fire key people. They have the best drivers and personnel. We just need some extra power and I believe we will have it next year.

[paolo lalli]

Its an italian thing they follow the cash for merc to sign sassi they need more inside info and they merc are prepared to pay they know ferrari will come out swining and sassi will attempt to minimise the blows just like aldo costa did lets see how it goes but what stands is the power of money .

[Ed Harley]

"Mercedes close to breaking 1000 bhp barrier with Formula 1 engine"

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133588/mercedes-close-to-breaking-1000bhp-barrier

[jgonzalesm6]

"Mercedes close to breaking 1000 bhp barrier with Formula 1 engine"

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133588/mercedes-close-to-breaking-1000bhp-barrier


Well La-dee-FREAKIN-DA!!! IMO, they broke this a long time ago.....like they're going to divulge actual bhp :roll. Ferrari needs to shoot for 1050bhp to 1075+bhp.

[jgonzalesm6]

Sirotkin gets Russian billionare backing.....

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari sets February launch date for 2018 F1 car

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-sets-february-launch-date-for-2018-f1-car-989455/

[Stormy]

Sirotkin gets Russian billionare backing.....

It looks like Williams will have a proper budget next year. Let's just hope they'll have a proper racer in Sirotkin as well.

[Brembo]

It looks like Williams will have a proper budget next year. Let's just hope they'll have a proper racer in Sirotkin as well.

Sirotkin, Stroll, Billions!!! Now that's how you sell a ride! Clair is 2018 F1 - WBC . World business champion.

[Stormy]

Sirotkin, Stroll, Billions!!! Now that's how you sell a ride! Clair is 2018 F1 - WBC . World business champion.

Yap, you can't say she's not playing smart with all of that funding she's bringing in.

[Silent Bob]

Sirotkin, Stroll, Billions!!! Now that's how you sell a ride! Clair is 2018 F1 - WBC . World business champion.

Maybe F1 should also implement the PDC... pay driver championship.

[jgonzalesm6]

Been reading alot about this and I know this is still early and its speculation but I thought I would post. Probably won't here anything about it until late 2019 into 2021. So here it goes......What if F1 forks into two different series? Meaning, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault go in their road relevance direction and the rest can stay "behind" with the likes of Redbull, Toro Rosso and the newcomers like Porsche, Aston Martin etc being thats the direction Liberty wants to go????


Schmidt's F1 blog about a possible pirate series

Has the war already started?

Alfa Romeo as main sponsor to Sauber. Maserati may soon become HaasF1. What should the expansion policy of Ferrari boss Sergio Marchionne? It could be that Ferrari and Mercedes need allies if they renounce Formula One. It could be the first move in a war against the new Formula 1 owners, says Michael Schmidt.

drives an aggressive expansion policy. Officially, Alfa Romeo is title sponsor and technical partner of Sauber. There are plans to place the name Maserati on the HaasF1. Marchionne wants the luxury brands from the Fiat Group in the light of Formula 1 shine. More than a digestible tip is not to be expected from Alfa Romeo and Maserati. Technology partner? Pure eye wiping. What, please, Alfa Romeo wants to contribute to the Sauber C37 from 2018? Alfa Romeo's last contact with Formula 1 dates back to 1985. The Milan-based company can not build either a chassis or a gearbox. The true technology partner is Ferrari. As sticks then at most the Alfa logo on it. Like TAG Heuer on Red Bull Renault engines. In the case of the engine, the regulations prohibit external input. The drive unit must be 100 percent owned by the company that has homologated it. Since a stranger can operate in-depth development for a customer in detail.


Marchionne wants to create dependencies

The marriage between Sauber and Alfa Romeo is about more. Marchionne wants to create dependencies. If Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault renounce from 2021 from Formula 1. The auto companies are suspicious of Liberty Media's plans with cheaper engines, simpler cars, budget capping and a fairer distribution of money. You do not want to give up either competitive advantages or privileges. And one wants to have a say in the future planning of the premier class. Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault have shot at the presentation of the engine concept for 2021 with sharp guns. Ferrari threatened reflexively with retreat. Translated that means: Foundation of a competition series. Bernie Ecclestone strewed salt in the wound in Brazil: "I've heard that the car companies are so superior."

The expiration of the Concorde Agreement at the end of 2020 gives the rebels three years. But you need teams for your own championship. The auto companies must fear that Liberty lures private stables with creating a fair base for all. Even Red Bull floats on the wave. The Salzburg company wants to drastically reduce its spending in Formula One. All others must be for sporting reasons for the plans of the new owners. At the moment from place 4 the hopelessness rules. 59 of the 60 podium places were taken by Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull. The gap to the three top teams is 1.5 seconds. Money buys lap time today. The factory teams have three times as much as their midfielder counterparts.

The aim of the pirates must be to win allies. You can not drive around alone in a circle. One has to lose. This is only about financial or technical dependencies. HaasF1 hangs technically already on the drip of Ferrari. The US team draws 70 percent of all parts from Maranello. The US team could not build their own car at short notice. The construction of the corresponding infrastructure takes at least a year. The same could flourish, if you order more parts in Maranello in the future. Sauber already depends on the gearbox. Hinwil has shut down the transmission department since BMW times. Mercedes could do the same with Force India and Williams. Especially since both teams are not financially bedded on roses. Outsourcing of components may be a welcome invitation.

Liberty Media must therefore put the pistol on the team's chest as early as possible. That could happen as early as the 18th of January, when the Americans present the teams their plans of budget capping. At the latest then the manufacturers must show their colors. The engine just warmed up. At the latest when it comes to reducing budgets and staff, you will know whether the formula 1 falls into two camps.

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[Stormy]

Been reading alot about this and I know this is still early and its speculation but I thought I would post. Probably won't here anything about it until late 2019 into 2021. So here it goes......What if F1 forks into two different series? Meaning, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault go in their road relevance direction and the rest can stay "behind" with the likes of Redbull, Toro Rosso and the newcomers like Porsche, Aston Martin etc being thats the direction Liberty wants to go????

I think it's easier to do a coup than forming a new series. I think there will be no winners if Ferrari, Mercedes etc form their own championship. Both parties will have massive loses. It's easier to just quit and continue business without F1 than forming a new series. My humble opinion.

[Silent Bob]

What does F1 have that's keeping the teams involved after 2021? Seems to me that F1 will quickly become worthless if the major teams back out. Liberty could find itself holding onto nothing but a name and race track contracts.
I say let the manufacturers try to run their own series. Maybe it will bring F1 back to what it was. Open engine development, less restrictive aero rules and car designs hopefully will be part of it.

[aroutis]

I think it's easier to do a coup than forming a new series. I think there will be no winners if Ferrari, Mercedes etc form their own championship. Both parties will have massive loses. It's easier to just quit and continue business without F1 than forming a new series. My humble opinion.

No.
Liberty has everything to lose comparing to the teams if one takes into consideration the size of the investment they put when they bought into F1.
The teams stand to make a new series , easily.

Liberty just cannot stand to have a wreck of F1 in their hands.

[Nemosf]

Seems like we have passed the crash test already

Check out @autosport’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/autosport/status/944540294044897280?s=09

[Stormy]

No.
Liberty has everything to lose comparing to the teams if one takes into consideration the size of the investment they put when they bought into F1.
The teams stand to make a new series , easily.

Liberty just cannot stand to have a wreck of F1 in their hands.

But what if the FIA doesn't recognize the new series?

[jragona]

They are early this year, not sure if that’s good or not: New Ferrari F1 car passes FIA crash tests (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-ferrari-f1-car-passes-fia-crash-tests-990646/)

[Stormy]

They are early this year, not sure if that’s good or not: New Ferrari F1 car passes FIA crash tests (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-ferrari-f1-car-passes-fia-crash-tests-990646/)

Maybe it shows that the team is pretty confident about next year?

[wisepie]

Maybe it shows that the team is pretty confident about next year?

Don't let's get too carried away, I feel there will be even more competition from the likes of Mclaren as well as RB and Merc next year, it would be nice to think that Sauber might be up there to take points from them. Getting the crash tests sorted early is good news, though.:Hmm

[jragona]

It may show the team is on it or that the 2018 chassis is similar to this years. We will have to wait and see...

[Stormy]

Don't let's get too carried away, I feel there will be even more competition from the likes of Mclaren as well as RB and Merc next year, it would be nice to think that Sauber might be up there to take points from them. Getting the crash tests sorted early is good news, though.:Hmm

Yeah, but i guess it's reasonable to be a bit confident considering that the team made such a huge step last year. Like SM said, if we make the same step again we are more than good.

[jgonzalesm6]

FIA going to "govern" wheel lock-to-lock due to an "aerodynamic" advantage when going through the corners. Apparently someone complained about this..... from Autosport per Gary Anderson.

The Technical Directive 44 of 2017 lays down a limit (5 mm) on the control of the height from the ground through the steering. It therefore restricts to the extreme use of "pushrod on upright" but the FUnoAT sources indicate that it will change very little.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR08QTnWsAYuDVL.jpg

Ferrari: Ferrari is one of the first teams (with Force India and rumors concerning Williams too) to pass the FIA crash tests on the 2018 car a day ago. The Ferrari 2018 project (669) is far ahead than 2017 project (668).


Mercedes: Also, some more great news(sarcasm) from Autosport but Mercedes only completed 90% of the car for 2017...:-E :roll due to they foresaw some changes throughout the mid-season...mostly in the aero dept??? I think its more in their suspension dept. hence the above story of the wheel lock-to-lock.

[zike]

FIA going to "govern" wheel lock-to-lock due to an "aerodynamic" advantage when going through the corners. Apparently someone complained about this..... from Autosport per Gary Anderson.

The Technical Directive 44 of 2017 lays down a limit (5 mm) on the control of the height from the ground through the steering. It therefore restricts to the extreme use of "pushrod on upright" but the FUnoAT sources indicate that it will change very little.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR08QTnWsAYuDVL.jpg

Ferrari: Ferrari is one of the first teams (with Force India and rumors concerning Williams too) to pass the FIA crash tests on the 2018 car a day ago. The Ferrari 2018 project (669) is far ahead than 2017 project (668).


Mercedes: Also, some more great news(sarcasm) from Autosport but Mercedes only completed 90% of the car for 2017...:-E :roll due to they foresaw some changes throughout the mid-season...mostly in the aero dept??? I think its more in their suspension dept. hence the above story of the wheel lock-to-lock.

Ferrari's work on the 2018 car is on schedule, the car is light and allows optimal ballast distribution, but there are two problems:

- the power unit still has reliability issues and so far no single unit has completed a 7-races simulation.

- like other teams, they have to change the front suspension geometry and this will make the car a little less efficient in fast corners.

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari Preview: 669 with a longer wheelbase than the SF70H!

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/anteprima-ferrari-la-669-avra-un-passo-piu-lungo-di-quello-della-sf70h-991127/

[FerrariF60]

Ferrari Preview: 669 with a longer wheelbase than the SF70H!

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/anteprima-ferrari-la-669-avra-un-passo-piu-lungo-di-quello-della-sf70h-991127/

Hopefully it’s not gonna turn into a DIVA like the Mercedes was by having a long wheelbase

[jragona]

Ferrari had a long wheelbase in 2007, it worked out fairly well. I’m sure it will be fine.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari Preview: 669 with a longer wheelbase than the SF70H!

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/anteprima-ferrari-la-669-avra-un-passo-piu-lungo-di-quello-della-sf70h-991127/

shrug.....sigh. If its the LWB then its the LWB.......the current WB is fine as it worked well in all tracks. As someone mentioned before, they need more hp and reliability which I'm more than sure they are working on.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari had a long wheelbase in 2007, it worked out fairly well. I’m sure it will be fine.


j-rag, completely different car and a completely different engine with a completely different chassis with completely different tyres with completely different fuel loads.....just completely different. :-)

[FerrariF60]

j-rag, completely different car and a completely different engine with a completely different chassis with completely different tyres with completely different fuel loads.....just completely different. :-)

^this, could not agree more

[Sanomas]

The last 2017 season was really great! Even we lost the championship but I am so proud of team work and our drivers are best in the world... I am looking forward to the next year and I hope that we can get it this time I'm sure we do!

[gvera]

shrug.....sigh. If its the LWB then its the LWB.......the current WB is fine as it worked well in all tracks. As someone mentioned before, they need more hp and reliability which I'm more than sure they are working on.

The article is pure speculation and completely vague, it doesn't say it will be LWB it just says it's WB will be longer than the SF70H which was 3594mm and mentions the new one will surely be over 3600mm (half a cm longer? :lol)
That doesn't mean it will be near the 2017 MB's 3760mm wheelbase

[wisepie]

Ferrari's car will have a slightly extended wheelbase and Merc's will be slightly shortened, Ferrari need engine improvements for sure then hopefully it will be gloves off between us. But I'm sure RB/Renault and Mclaren won't make it any easier in 2018.:-E

[Ed Harley]

Each PU must last 7 races. Seven. SEVEN!!! :-E

[jragona]

Each PU must last 7 races. Seven. SEVEN!!! :-E

Imagine if a team created an engine that could only last one race but was a rocket ship compared to these seven race engines. They would get grid penalties at every race but they could easily obliterate the rest of the field and win every race (except for Monaco, maybe).

I doubt any team would even consider this approach but would be a funny if it happened!

[jgonzalesm6]

Each PU must last 7 races. Seven. SEVEN!!! :-E


yup, You're just barely figuring that out???

Can you imagine in the race: " Okay, you've made the pass and you're 10 seconds ahead, dial the engine down as we have to save it for the next race." Pathetic.

[jgonzalesm6]

Here's something else to think about in this 2018 3 component allocation allotment dilemma. Again, this is just a hypothetical.

Let's say by GP #15, Ferrari is already in grid spot penalties and starts mid-pack...like 10th place or maybe further back and Mercedes is ahead. Whats to stop Mercedes from introducing a brand new PU at every race after GP #15 to further its development in this so called hybrid PU era/formula and start alongside with Ferrari or behind Ferrari to gear up for 2019...especially at tracks where it suits Mercedes.

[wisepie]

Here's something else to think about in this 2018 3 component allocation allotment dilemma. Again, this is just a hypothetical.

Let's say by GP #15, Ferrari is already in grid spot penalties and starts mid-pack...like 10th place or maybe further back and Mercedes is ahead. Whats to stop Mercedes from introducing a brand new PU at every race after GP #15 to further its development in this so called hybrid PU era/formula and start alongside with Ferrari or behind Ferrari to gear up for 2019...especially at tracks where it suits Mercedes.

Merc always had a head start with the current turbo/hybrid era and still manage to stay one step ahead but there must be a point where it's physically impossible to get more power out of an already highly developed unit. The 3-engine limit is totally unrealistic and will cost more because they'll need more of them when blow up!:-E

[sxviper698]

They should go back to practice engines and one just for qualifying then use the race engines for 7 races.

[sxviper698]

And also in the race you you need to go within a certain % of your qualifying lap as not to save parts. If you go to slow you would have time added to laps of what you missed the %.

[stefa]

And also in the race you you need to go within a certain % of your qualifying lap as not to save parts. If you go to slow you would have time added to laps of what you missed the %.

?!?!? What is this?!?!?? :-E

[jgonzalesm6]

FOM payouts to F1 teams in 2017


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSJn3INWkAAWdu-.jpg

[Stormy]

FOM payouts to F1 teams in 2017


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSJn3INWkAAWdu-.jpg

Ferrari's $100M bonus is not recorded here, right?

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari's $100M bonus is not recorded here, right?

Its included......no wonder Gene Haas is not a happy camper!!!:-D

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 team budgets and spending in 2017: Ferrari

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSNWV5bW0AAcTaH.jpg


F1 team budgets and spending in 2017: Mercedes

Mercedes' £2.3m F1 loss:

TEAM:
£289.4m: Revenue
-£82.8m: Staff (849)
-£192.3m: Costs
-£2.2m: Interest
-£15.9m: Tax
£3.8m: Net Loss

ENGINE DIVISION:
£140.4m: Revenue
-£42.5m: Staff (571)
-£73.5m: R&D
-£10.8m: Misc
+£0.06m: Interest
-£0.6m: Interest
-£11.4m: Tax
£1.5m Net Profit


F1 team budgets and spending in 2017: RedBull

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSNmSbCX0AAfekL.jpg

[Stormy]

Its included......no wonder Gene Haas is not a happy camper!!!:-D

So without the bonus Ferrari's payment would be less than Red Bull? That doesn't make any sense as Ferrari finished second. I'm a bit confused :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

So without the bonus Ferrari's payment would be less than Red Bull? That doesn't make any sense as Ferrari finished second. I'm a bit confused :-D

no

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 team budgets and spending in 2017 for the following:

Mercedes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSPDHTFWAAAm6wG.jpg


Toro Rosso

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSOxKAwWAAAvGNY.jpg


Williams

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSOpyyIWsAEKKWT.jpg


Sauber

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSOi40FWkAAuUBa.jpg


Haas

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSOUutLXcAIYmE3.jpg


Force India

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSOD0qIXcAEl0Kv.jpg


Renault

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSN8Rv_X4AU4K3U.jpg

[Brembo]

Very interestihg! Thanks for the post.

[jgonzalesm6]

So without the bonus Ferrari's payment would be less than Red Bull? That doesn't make any sense as Ferrari finished second. I'm a bit confused :-D

I think Autosport given the pie chart in post #63 and the rest of the posts (#66 & #69 including this one) "effed" -up by putting these out because one looks to be in different currency (pie chart). They are'nt error free.


Very interestihg! Thanks for the post.

yw.

one more. Mclaren

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSPNFkXWsAA21rE.jpg

[Stormy]

I think Autosport given the pie chart in post #63 and the rest of the posts (#66 & #69 including this one) "effed" -up by putting these out because one looks to be in different currency (pie chart). They are'nt error free.

Oh, i see.

[jgonzalesm6]

FIA going to "govern" wheel lock-to-lock due to an "aerodynamic" advantage when going through the corners. Apparently someone complained about this..... from Autosport per Gary Anderson.

The Technical Directive 44 of 2017 lays down a limit (5 mm) on the control of the height from the ground through the steering. It therefore restricts to the extreme use of "pushrod on upright" but the FUnoAT sources indicate that it will change very little.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR08QTnWsAYuDVL.jpg




Here's more into the subject....alot more pics (italian description) buy for some of you that know caster, camber and toe you get the picture.

Technique F1 2018: the FIA limits the control of the height from the ground through the front suspension, what changes?

Calling up the FIA for clarifications concerning certain solutions studied at the factory or even used on the track by the various Teams is a common practice in the Formula 1 world, so much so that in 2017 it has reached over 40 new Technical Directives issued by the FIA; the last one, the 44th of the solar year 2017 of 12 December, generated by a request from Scuderia Ferrari on the second half of October, is generating a lot of talk, too much.

The discussion is about the timing: almost two months were necessary because the FIA, before issuing a new Technical Directive, wanted to discuss it with the various Teams, meeting them on 21st November. In the last winter the FIA behaved the same way: a clarification letter sent by Ferrari in the first part of December ("informal" clarification by Charlie Whiting just before Christmas that does not do jurisprudence), a meeting between the Teams and the FIA on the 7th February and release of the new Technical Directive about fifteen days later.

The discussion is about the contents as well: returning to the 21st November meeting, there was an important confrontation Ferrari - Red Bull, with the Italian team that asked to insert limits on the control of the height from the ground of the single-seater with the braking system and the steering. The Scuderia has therefore tried to introduce new limitations to the Technical Directive of February 2017 where the FIA had already indicated the five characteristics that the suspensive devices did not have to "satisfy" to be declared legal:



1 - Every system that changes the response of the car in acceleration (in particular the response of the frame)

2 -The correlation between the height of the car with the braking system and the steering.

3 - Height control using a self-levelling system.

4 - Direct coupling between roll control system and height control system.

5 - Accumulation of energy through any system that allows a delayed use, or any suspension system that leads to non-incidental asymmetry in response to load changes on the wheels.



Written as in point 2, however, the rule was rather imprecise because changes of the height from the ground of the front of a single-seater as the steering angle changes are unavoidable. What was missing was just setting a limit that the 65-year-old English technician has included in the new Technical Directive issued a few days ago. For the 2018 season, suspensive systems to be considered legal, will not change the height from the ground of a “staticâ€Â� car by more than 5 mm between the "straight" steering position and the maximum steering angle. It will be up to the Teams to demonstrate, through documentation to be sent to the FIA, that the suspension systems of their 2018 cars will comply with this new TD.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/suspension_2018/f1-gp-belgio-2017-giovedi-00036.jpg

But as understood by FUnoAnalisiTecnica, with the Directive 44 of 2017, the FIA did not want to tackle in the 2018 already defined projects, granting about one fifth of the real value of the front ground height of a Formula 1 car (25 mm against the 5 mm granted); an important value considering that even only one millimetre can make a very important difference in the set-up.

But technically, why and especially how do the various teams try to reduce the height from the ground of the front as the steering angle increases? In general, on practically all F1 cars, but more on cars that have less accentuated rake and longer wheelbase, the pressure centre (the equilibrium state between the aerodynamic load on the front and the rear part calculated on the wheels) will move slowly backwards as the speed decreases, generating a lot of understeer due to the loss of front load.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/suspension_2018/aerogrip.jpg

If we add to this the fact that pilots usually prefer to have a slightly undercutting base set-up already at high speeds, you can well understand how big the problem can become as the speed decreases.

To fix this problem the teams are trying to change the weight transfer through the steering, and to lower the front end of the car more and more as the curves become increasingly slow. This can be done by designing a front suspension with a higher value than the incidence angle (caster), the angle formed by the vertical on the ground with the axle of the hub bearing, which allows to transfer more static weight possible on the front diagonal - internal to the rear one - external with consequent increase of grip at the front and forward displacement of the pressure centre.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/suspension_2018/20082715304_32_1_disegno_caster.jpg (Italian)

The real problem is that the positive effect of the caster on the limitation of understeer at low speeds is not linear with the steering angle; that means that the load transfer turns out to be less and less important as the steering wheel is turned and therefore gives steering angle.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/suspension_2018/cats.jpg

Hence the need for the teams to find an alternative "configuration" to significantly reduce understeer at low speeds. And here comes what the British call POU or "Pushrod On Upright", nothing but the push rod fixation on the pillar and not directly connected to the lower triangle of the suspension as it was years ago. But that's not all: if you want to replicate the effect of caster variation, that is to allow an important weight transfer on the diagonal, it is appropriate to be able to offset the steering axis and the pin where the push rod is hinged to the pillar. That's what a lot of Formula 1 teams have been doing for many years. With the advantage that the POU configuration increases the effect of load transfer as the steering angle increases. And more "offset" the connecting pin of the push rod to the steering axis (thus increasing the offset) and the more the effects for each single degree of increase in steering are important with consequent lowering of the front axle more marked.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/suspension_2018/f1-mexican-gp-2017-red-bull-racing-rb13-front-suspension.jpg

And if up to few months ago the offset values between the steering axle and the push rod pillar were rather limited (we are talking about 20 mm), with the current season, some teams as Red Bull have pushed this concept to the over 100 mm. We are talking about the solution that the Anglo Austrian team used intermittently at the end of the 2017 Formula 1 season and that seems to have given that extra plus to the RB13, added to the increase in pace and some changes in the aerodynamic concept of the car. Also other teams like McLaren, which probably has been the first to go beyond the "classic" offset values, and Ferrari have used this particular configuration of their front suspension. The Italian team took to the track (see photo comparison above), first in the post-Grand Prix of Hungary tests and then in the Belgian Grand Prix, a slightly extreme POU solution (not at the Red Bull levels), but which never gave excellent feeling of driving especially to Kimi Raikkonen, a driver who must feel a lot the front end of the car to go fast; having a "heavier" steering (one of the negative effects of the solution) did not allow the Finnish rider to establish the right feeling with the new solution. Solution discarded even by Sebastian Vettel that from the Japanese Grand Prix onwards has used the old solution, proving to be still very competitive on his Ferrari SF70-H.

https://motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3486/technique-f1-2018-the-fia-limits-the-control-of-the-height-from-the-ground-through-the-front-suspension-what-changes#.Wkfe1CHvX4J.twitter

[Schumiklub]

Not really news, but Kimi is on Instagram, lol.

https://www.instagram.com/kimimatiasraikkonen/

[Stormy]

Not really news, but Kimi is on Instagram, lol.

https://www.instagram.com/kimimatiasraikkonen/

Hah nice. Maybe Seb would make one now as well.

[jragona]

Some interesting info here: https://motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3388/rory-byrne-involved-in-ferraris-2018-and-2019-campaigns

[Schumiklub]

Some interesting info here: https://motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3388/rory-byrne-involved-in-ferraris-2018-and-2019-campaigns

Sounds promising, let’s hope it’s true.


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[PURE PASSION]

The results of the simulations on the 2018 car have been positively surprising.
A friend of mine found this in autosport forum.

[jgonzalesm6]

2018 LWB comparo. between Ferrari vs. Mercedes via Gazzetta

https://i.imgur.com/E58h6aZ.png

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes open to the suggestion of acquiring a "B" team of the likes of Ferrari w/Alfa-Sauber.

[Brembo]

Mercedes open to the suggestion of acquiring a "B" team of the likes of Ferrari w/Alfa-Sauber.

Williams seems to be as close as you can get without saying "B" team.

[jgonzalesm6]

Williams seems to be as close as you can get without saying "B" team.


Them or the Force India's. Williams look to be in tatters whilst Force India is better organized and has better drivers IMO.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferrari and Red Bull reveal fresh 2018 logos

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-and-red-bull-reveal-fresh-2018-logos/

Ferrari and Red Bull have decided on some cosmetic surgery as both revealed new logos ahead of the 2018 season.

The Scuderia's logos in the past have been heavily influenced by their long-time partner Malboro, owned by Philip Morris, despite a voluntary ban been in place since 2006 on cigarette branding.

But Morris and Malboro have continued to have advertising space given to them and more appropriate sponsors have been found which do not have such a strong connection to smoking.

Ferrari only signed a renewal with Malboro back in September, which is worth a reported $160m a year, but have instead unveiled a new shield logo which simply includes the famous Prancing Horse and the Scuderia Ferrari initials.

The move away from the Malboro-influenced rectangular logo has sparked rumours that another Philip Morris brand – IQOS (I Quit Ordinary Smoking) – could be about to become Ferrari's new major sponsor after Spanish banking group Santander announced their departure from Formula 1 altogether at the end of last season.

Meanwhile, at Red Bull, a new, fresher logo has been unveiled to reflect Aston Martin becoming their new title sponsors.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari and Red Bull reveal fresh 2018 logos

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-and-red-bull-reveal-fresh-2018-logos/

Ferrari and Red Bull have decided on some cosmetic surgery as both revealed new logos ahead of the 2018 season.

The Scuderia's logos in the past have been heavily influenced by their long-time partner Malboro, owned by Philip Morris, despite a voluntary ban been in place since 2006 on cigarette branding.

But Morris and Malboro have continued to have advertising space given to them and more appropriate sponsors have been found which do not have such a strong connection to smoking.

Ferrari only signed a renewal with Malboro back in September, which is worth a reported $160m a year, but have instead unveiled a new shield logo which simply includes the famous Prancing Horse and the Scuderia Ferrari initials.

The move away from the Malboro-influenced rectangular logo has sparked rumours that another Philip Morris brand – IQOS (I Quit Ordinary Smoking) – could be about to become Ferrari's new major sponsor after Spanish banking group Santander announced their departure from Formula 1 altogether at the end of last season.

Meanwhile, at Red Bull, a new, fresher logo has been unveiled to reflect Aston Martin becoming their new title sponsors.


Knew this all along(bold).:-D


possible rendereing of IQOS logo...

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/945951509514203136/vVZx7UF8?format=jpg&name=600x314

[Greig]

Knew this all along(bold).:-D


They have ad space, not every ad space.....

[gvera]

Third element of front supension will be hydraulic.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-la-669-ha-il-terzo-elemento-della-sospensione-idraulico-992402/

[jgonzalesm6]

Briatore ‘very sorry’ Kubica sensational F1 comeback failed.

Flavio Briatore says it’s a shame Robert Kubica will not make a sensational return to formula one in 2018.

A source close to Kubica, the former BMW and Renault driver who almost lost his arm in a 2011 rally crash, admits the Pole’s comeback bid is now “game over”.

Other sources claim Williams has definitely signed up Sergey Sirotkin, the Vladimir Putin-linked Russian driver.

https://www.thisisf1.com/2018/01/04/briatore-very-sorry-kubica-sensational-f1-comeback-failed/

[jgonzalesm6]

Giovinazzi confirmed for maiden Formula E test in Marrakesh via @crash_net

[RM-Ferrari]

Seb: “Last Ferrari step back to winning F1 titles will be hardest”

http://scuderiafans.com/sebastian-vettel-last-ferrari-step-back-winning-f1-titles-will-hardest/

[jpalmito]

Seb: “Last Ferrari step back to winning F1 titles will be hardest”

http://scuderiafans.com/sebastian-vettel-last-ferrari-step-back-winning-f1-titles-will-hardest/

Today, famous italian journalist leo turrini(reliable and with connections inside the team)wrote on his blog that the engine department is working hard on an engine able to provide a big horsepower bonus for a single lap.
The obvious goal is to grab pole position all the time, because track position is king in this modern formula one.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari and Red Bull reveal fresh 2018 logos

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-and-red-bull-reveal-fresh-2018-logos/

Ferrari and Red Bull have decided on some cosmetic surgery as both revealed new logos ahead of the 2018 season.


Ferrari ...... unveiled a new shield logo which simply includes the famous Prancing Horse and the Scuderia Ferrari initials.



UHHHHHHH.....this is'nt new....HELLO!!!!! these are the old vintage logo's---> shield with the horse in the middle and S F on either side. ....C'mon planetF1!!! :roll

[stefa]

UHHHHHHH.....this is'nt new....HELLO!!!!! these are the old vintage logo's---> shield with the horse in the middle and S F on either side. ....C'mon planetF1!!! :roll

My thoughts exactly?!

[Rob]

UHHHHHHH.....this is'nt new....HELLO!!!!! these are the old vintage logo's---> shield with the horse in the middle and S F on either side. ....C'mon planetF1!!! :roll

its changed from this

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a0ammg.png

[Giallo 550]

its changed from this

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a0ammg.png

I have always liked that graphic.

[KimiBot]

Kim started to practice all ready.

https://www.instagram.com/kimimatiasraikkonen/

[jgonzalesm6]

Ross Brawn, F1's managing director of motorsports following Liberty Media's takeover of the sport, has outlined his vision of Formula 1's future. (VIDEO INTERVIEW w/Martin Brundle--14min 35sec)

He keeps bringing up the fans with regards to noise and design.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12430/11194345/ross-brawn-exclusive-the-formula-1-boss-on-f1s-future

[Ed Harley]

Changes

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/rimpasto-ferrari-ecco-chi-esce-e-chi-entra-nella-gestione-sportiva-993046/

[jgonzalesm6]

Mclaren lost 7 sponsors of the likes of 100 million euro's. Aside from paying for their own engines and drivers salaries, they better turn it around for 2018 and get some constructor pts. $$$$$$$ or it does'nt look good for this iconic F1 team going forward 2018/2019. :-s

https://motorlat.com/notas/f1/3512/mclarens-fiasco-goes-on-as-the-team-loses-7-sponsors#.WlDi5F_VSoB.twitter

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=jgonzalesm6;962688]Mclaren lost 7 sponsors of the likes of 100 million euro's. Aside from paying for their own engines and drivers salaries, they better turn it around for 2018 and get some constructor pts. $$$$$$$ or it does'nt look good for this iconic F1 team going forward 2018/2019. :-s

After reading this, how can any fan question Clair Williams hiring Stroll who not only helped a little financially; but also brought in some points!

[Super M]

Raikkonen's race engineer Greenwood leaves Ferrari

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-race-engineer-greenwood-leaves-ferrari-993650/

I'm thinking this could be good news for the old man raikkonen :Hmm

[Kristof_F40]

Raikkonen's race engineer Greenwood leaves Ferrari

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-race-engineer-greenwood-leaves-ferrari-993650/

I'm thinking this could be good news for the old man raikkonen :Hmm

Why good news?
They seemed to be able to work very good together..

[jgonzalesm6]

Changes

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/rimpasto-ferrari-ecco-chi-esce-e-chi-entra-nella-gestione-sportiva-993046/


yep, These are the changes...Diego Loverno will no longer be at the pit wall as Ferrari, while David Greenwood, Raikkonen track engineer, will return to the Manor to follow the WEC program. From Toro Rosso arrives in FDA Marco Matassa.



Raikkonen's race engineer Greenwood leaves Ferrari

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-race-engineer-greenwood-leaves-ferrari-993650/

I'm thinking this could be good news for the old man raikkonen :Hmm


Why good news?
They seemed to be able to work very good together..

reference above on Ed Harley's post #97.....:-)

[alfaromeo]

Mercedes-Benz in 2018 with New engine, is that bad News or Good ???:-)

[FerrariSteve]

Mercedes-Benz in 2018 with New engine, is that bad News or Good ???:-)

Good for them, probably bad for everyone else :(

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes-Benz in 2018 with New engine, is that bad News or Good ???:-)

they tested it in the last 2 GP's of 2017, so you can say they are ahead in that aspect. They are still up in hp but 2018 will also determine reliability as the engine and components have to last 7 GP's before swapping them out. Mid-season should tell where Ferrari stands in hp and reliability. This whole era of F1 (2014 - current) has been focused on the engine and its reliability, chassis of course too, but mainly the engine....and when the lead car gets ahead, it cuts back on power to save the engine/components for the next GP....pathetic IMO.

[FerrariF60]

Mercedes-Benz in 2018 with New engine, is that bad News or Good ???:-)

Well it depends; if it,s NOT a reliable engine, then it’s good for us, and if it’s the other way around.....well u know the answer to that

But I’m sure Ferrari has not been sleeping and I’m sure if we do another good step as we did over the winter of 2016-2017 we,ll be much closer then Mercedes. ....or let’s hope better then them

But in all fairness we haven’t hard much news on ferrari so far, just like last year so let’s hope they,re looking something good on the back burner with lots of innovative things

[FerrariF60]

they tested it in the last 2 GP's of 2017, so you can say they are ahead in that aspect. They are still up in hp but 2018 will also determine reliability as the engine and components have to last 7 GP's before swapping them out. Mid-season should tell where Ferrari stands in hp and reliability. This whole era of F1 (2014 - current) has been focused on the engine and its reliability, chassis of course too, but mainly the engine....and when the lead car gets ahead, it cuts back on power to save the engine/components for the next GP....pathetic IMO.

Yup, I’d have to agree with you, totally pathetic......long gone are the days when drivers would push flat out the entire race
Back in the day when real F1 cars would use real engines, not these pathetic so called power units.....back in the day when a fresh engine would be used for qualifying alone, then come race day a fresh engine would be strapped onto the car and go flat out the whole race.

I’m not saying that these engines are not a great piece of engineering, cause they are, they,re magnificent and they have outstanding efficiency but to my opinion they DO NOT belong in formula 1

In F1 we need much simpler engines (v8-v10) that are much cheaper and LOUDER because that’s what every Fan wants....at least that’s what I want

[Stormy]

Yup, I’d have to agree with you, totally pathetic......long gone are the days when drivers would push flat out the entire race
Back in the day when real F1 cars would use real engines, not these pathetic so called power units.....back in the day when a fresh engine would be used for qualifying alone, then come race day a fresh engine would be strapped onto the car and go flat out the whole race.

I’m not saying that these engines are not a great piece of engineering, cause they are, they,re magnificent and they have outstanding efficiency but to my opinion they DO NOT belong in formula 1

In F1 we need much simpler engines (v8-v10) that are much cheaper and LOUDER because that’s what every Fan wants....at least that’s what I want

Yeah but then the advanced development of technology in F1 will cease and the championship will slowly begin to wither and lose its status as the pinnacle of motorsport.

[stefa]

Yup, I’d have to agree with you, totally pathetic......long gone are the days when drivers would push flat out the entire race
Back in the day when real F1 cars would use real engines, not these pathetic so called power units.....back in the day when a fresh engine would be used for qualifying alone, then come race day a fresh engine would be strapped onto the car and go flat out the whole race.

I’m not saying that these engines are not a great piece of engineering, cause they are, they,re magnificent and they have outstanding efficiency but to my opinion they DO NOT belong in formula 1

In F1 we need much simpler engines (v8-v10) that are much cheaper and LOUDER because that’s what every Fan wants....at least that’s what I want

AMEN!!! :thumb:clap

[Rob]

they tested it in the last 2 GP's of 2017, so you can say they are ahead in that aspect. They are still up in hp but 2018 will also determine reliability as the engine and components have to last 7 GP's before swapping them out. Mid-season should tell where Ferrari stands in hp and reliability. This whole era of F1 (2014 - current) has been focused on the engine and its reliability, chassis of course too, but mainly the engine....and when the lead car gets ahead, it cuts back on power to save the engine/components for the next GP....pathetic IMO.

They didnt test new engines at all. Just parts. Also, it will be new engine....


"Some of it is big, fundamental bits of learning, combustion progress, friction reduction, new materials that unlock areas where we've been struggling with reliability. And sometimes it's just a surprise.

"There's still gains to be had [with this formula]. It's a plethora of marginal gains, five millisecond gains.

[The Architect]

its changed from this

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a0ammg.png

I welcome the logo change. The old faux-Marlboro logo was awful. Now that Santander are gone, while 2007-esque might be unlikely, I hope for a better livery with less white.

[jgonzalesm6]

Daniil Kvyat to become Scuderia Ferrari’s development driver. :-E :-E :-E....:Hmm

" I mean seriously......honestly, what are we doing" (Vettel - Sochi 2016)

[jragona]

Daniil Kvyat to become Scuderia Ferrari’s development driver. :-E :-E :-E....:Hmm

" I mean seriously......honestly, what are we doing" (Vettel - Sochi 2016)

Thats what I thought! :lol

[Giallo 550]

Thats what I thought! :lol

Ditto! Why not Gio???

[Ed Harley]

So in 2019 Vettel-Kvyat while Leclerc still gains experience at Sauber.

[jgonzalesm6]

So in 2019 Vettel-Kvyat while Leclerc still gains experience at Sauber.

[arms up in the air with shoulder shrug]

Kvyat did well with STR then RB......no pressure....then Max came along and suddenly....PRESSURE....and thats when Mr. Torpedo got demoted back to STR.

I don't know what to say. Then the history with Vettel, which I'm sure both drivers will work things out.

Why am I smelling Russian money in this deal??

[Stormy]

He'll just be a development driver like JEV. It looks like the team prefers former TR drivers to assist with development.

[jgonzalesm6]

He'll just be a development driver like JEV. It looks like the team prefers former TR drivers to assist with development.

as in extract information from the opposing team???:-D

[Stormy]

as in extract information from the opposing team???:-D

Hah, it's possible :-D But how much do TR drivers know about RB's technical secrets? :Hmm

[Seb]

Hah, it's possible :-D But how much do TR drivers know about RB's technical secrets? :Hmm

Well Kvyat did drive for RB

[Stormy]

Well Kvyat did drive for RB

Yeah but that was 2015, probably what he knows is irrelevant to us. Besides, we got new aero regulations now.

[jgonzalesm6]

Catalunya gets a resurface

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTQ28JCXkAAKMaB.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTQ3GymWsAAHGaf.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTQ3HPLWkAMk0G2.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTQ3HwLWAAApSvb.jpg

[jgonzalesm6]

He'll just be a development driver like JEV. It looks like the team prefers former TR drivers to assist with development.



Kvyat to work in Ferrari simulator


Daniil Kvyat's new job in formula one will see him work mainly in the Ferrari driver simulator.

The famous Italian team has announced that the Russian and Red Bull refugee has been signed up as a development driver.

Asked what Kvyat will be doing in 2018, a Ferrari spokesman told Tass news agency: "The role of development driver is normally associated with work in the simulator.


That should be easy for him then.............CRASH!!...reset.............CRASH !!!...reset..:-D

[wisepie]

[arms up in the air with shoulder shrug]

Kvyat did well with STR then RB......no pressure....then Max came along and suddenly....PRESSURE....and thats when Mr. Torpedo got demoted back to STR.

I don't know what to say. Then the history with Vettel, which I'm sure both drivers will work things out.

Why am I smelling Russian money in this deal??

You're probably right about the Russian money, but Kvyat was indeed a thorn in our side too many times in the past. I assume that GIO is still our 3rd driver, as well as having Friday practice runs with Sauber, but it's getting pretty confusing as to who is supposed to be doing what and why.:-??:roll

[Tony]

I'd rather have Kyvat crashing into a Mercedes than into a Ferrari ;)

[PURE PASSION]

“Ferrari's new car has shown surprisingly good results in the team's simulations. This is claimed by the Italian Gazzetta dello Sport, citing sources in Maranello.

The team was pleasantly surprised by the test data of the new car, with which the team has to fight for world the title that the Scuderia has not won for 10 years.”

[stefa]

I am not getting hyped about this, as every year at this time it is same story. Let's wait and see!

[FerrariF60]

I am not getting hyped about this, as every year at this time it is same story. Let's wait and see!

Yup, Stefa you got that right, every year is the same “COPY & PASTE” story
I won’t hold my break until until winter testing, and even that won’t tell the clear picture of where everyone is, as teams usually test their own things and everything should be taken with a grain of salt

The best picture will be in OZ come Q3

[jragona]

I am not getting hyped about this, as every year at this time it is same story. Let's wait and see!

Very true.

[Stormy]

I am not getting hyped about this, as every year at this time it is same story. Let's wait and see!

Very true. However, maybe it's a good indication that the Italian media is praising Ferrari's work during the winter. Wasn't the Italian media always skeptic? Nevertheless, i completely agree with you, we should not get over ourselves because of this. Let's wait and see.

[theodorus8864]

Very true. However, maybe it's a good indication that the Italian media is praising Ferrari's work during the winter. Wasn't the Italian media always skeptic? Nevertheless, i completely agree with you, we should not get over ourselves because of this. Let's wait and see.

Isn't it the other way round, when the media praising Ferrari winter progress it always turns out a disappointing result on track?

Guess I won't buy any rumors and wait for the real thing on track testing.

[Stormy]

Isn't it the other way round, when the media praising Ferrari winter progress it always turns out a disappointing result on track?

Guess I won't buy any rumors and wait for the real thing on track testing.

Yeah maybe it's the other way around lol. :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Williams makes it official. Sirotkin is in. Most of us saw this coming 2 weeks ago, no surprise.

[Stormy]

Williams makes it official. Sirotkin is in. Most of us saw this coming 2 weeks ago, no surprise.

Yeah, i was just waiting for it to be official. Let's see if he's better than Stroll. Kubica signed as a test driver though...

[PURE PASSION]

Sergio Marchionne:

"I was in Maranello the last few days and I found the design guys almost too relaxed. I can only conclude that either we have made a crap car or a real beast!

“We’ve put everything into it, to have a super strong car. You’ll have to wait until February 22 when we present it,” he told Italy’s Gazetta dello Sport.
Again im not get carried away. All we read this days is just rumours and hypes.
On this particular statement of SM ,i m just thinking that after 2016s fiasco, he will use his words carefully!!!

[zike]

Sergio Marchionne:

Again im not get carried away. All we read this days is just rumours and hypes.
On this particular statement of SM ,i m just thinking that after 2016s fiasco, he will use his words carefully!!!

It's much more likely that the team is simply trying its very best - and makes a car that'll be 2nd or 3rd in the WCC

[PURE PASSION]

It's much more likely that the team is simply trying its very best - and makes a car that'll be 2nd or 3rd in the WCC

I really hope (and wish) that they will prove you wrong!!!

[FerrariF60]

I really hope (and wish) that they will prove you wrong!!!

Me too"......let’s hope the F2018 or whatever they wanna call it will be an ABSOLUTE beast....

[jgonzalesm6]

Sauber could become a full fledged Alfa Romeo works team according Swiss team's boss Frederic Vasseur.

[jgonzalesm6]

Me too"......let’s hope the F2018 or whatever they wanna call it will be an ABSOLUTE and RELIABLE beast....

FIFY mate.:-D.......unbelievable that this is the focus for 2018!!! what happened to F1 with this whole hybrid era??:-??

[Greig]

yeah there was no need to be reliable before the hybrids....oh wait.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I am not getting hyped about this, as every year at this time it is same story. Let's wait and see!


Don't worry, Byrne is coming to save the team..... again.. Oh Wait.

[Stormy]

Last year there was absolutely no hype released by the team for the 2017 contender. On second thought, how there could be after the 2016 debacle.

[Rishu]

Happy new year everyone!

I'm sure Ferrari engineers are working their rears off but let's not forget racing is all relative, everything depends on what Mercedes are doing. Really really hope we can wipe that stupid smile off Toto's face this season

[Brembo]

F 1 is all about fan patronage , attendance at the races, esp. in the countries that actually know and love F1. Liberty needs to realize in a hurry , it's Ferrari's turn to be the winner WCC!! Red Bull is in almost every sport on earth, they won't quit F 1. It's just another sport for them to advertise in. Before any more tough on the sport rules and regulations are considered, the big shots should consider if the fans will hate or accept them.

[Stormy]

Red Bull is in almost every sport on earth, they won't quit F 1.
But F1 is by far the most expensive sport they are in. I think they'll quit if the regulations harm them but i think they'll reach some kind of a compromise.

[Brembo]

But F1 is by far the most expensive sport they are in. I think they'll quit if the regulations harm them but i think they'll reach some kind of a compromise.

I hope your right, compromise is the answer. More fans drink Red Bull than FIA & Liberty big shots combined!:rotfl

[stefa]

Don't worry, Byrne is coming to save the team..... again.. Oh Wait.

:rotfland that is the second thing that is always talked about around this time of year....

[FerrariF60]

:rotfland that is the second thing that is always talked about around this time of year....

ha, ha....like the magical floor made of special materials designed by Byrne back in 2012, NO???

same usual stories arise this time of year......

[PURE PASSION]

Rory has bone his work for this year ,and he's already working on 2019!!!:-D

[FerrariF60]

Rory has bone his work for this year ,and he's already working on 2019!!!:-D

if you know so much about what Rory is doing, why dont we use the 2019 car this year and be ahead of EVERY ONE ELSE??

[jgonzalesm6]

Rory started work on the 2018 car in the spring of 2017. He has started "drafting" the 2019 car already.

[PURE PASSION]

if you know so much about what Rory is doing, why dont we use the 2019 car this year and be ahead of EVERY ONE ELSE??

https://www.motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3388/rory-byrne-involved-in-ferraris-2018-and-2019-campaigns

[paolo lalli]

Good to see the forum warming up nicely with witty response and humour and the season has not started yet great stuff keep it up tiffosi its going to be one hell of a year and one to remember so start your engines.

[jgonzalesm6]

Randstad no longer a sponsor with Williams effective Jan. 17, 2018.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTvIv0kXkAA6T33.jpg

[PURE PASSION]

Randstad no longer a sponsor with Williams effective Jan. 17, 2018.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTvIv0kXkAA6T33.jpg

They have Russian money now!!!!:-D

[mardyrt]

Something interesting.
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3569/f1-2018-technique-the-fia-has-limited-the-use-of-the-vanity-panel-as-a-structural-element

[jgonzalesm6]

Launch dates:

McLaren and Toro Rosso reveal 2018 Formula 1 car launch dates

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/3.65/dir/764/image/7643bbe389baa60d57c8e20bf4411f14.jpg

2018 F1 launch dates so far

Ferrari: February 22
McLaren: February 23
Toro Rosso: February 25

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/133950/mclaren-toro-rosso-reveal-2018-launch-dates

[jgonzalesm6]

W09 launch date

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/953933886660251649/xYumN8YX?format=jpg&name=600x314

[jragona]

22nd is going to be a fun day with both Ferrari and Merc launching :clap

[Brembo]

I'd like to see Lewis and Seb interviewed together that day.

[PURE PASSION]

As Graig Scarborough said,i wonder if Merc will have live feed of Ferraris presentation, in Silverstone for the media??!!!!:lol

[PURE PASSION]

Some other news/rumours:

"Marca" other than the suspension argument is reporting that:

1- Ferrari has intention to retain his advantage over Mercedes in terms of "agility" so it is unclear if the wheelbase increase would be the rumored 6 cm. or too minimal to make a difference in terms of body downforce generation.

2- Ferrari "central wing" (Sidepods) will be heavily modified, with slimmer and higher-placed air intakes ( :o ), and longer(in height) airflow conditioners (even if placed lower in the car)

[Grinsomx]

Some other news/rumours:

slimmer and higher? i wonder how they are going to do that and still maintain enough airflow through the car.
on the other hand, it could give us one mean looking car for 2018

[Kyss4k]

Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/

[jgonzalesm6]

Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/


you sure about that Kyss4k???? I'm reading about Ferrari vetoing the next engine rules but nothing about the front wing??? link ???:-)

[Kyss4k]

you sure about that Kyss4k???? I'm reading about Ferrari vetoing the next engine rules but nothing about the front wing??? link ???:-)

Here's the link. These are Czech web pages, so just use google translator to translate it to english :)
https://f1sport.auto.cz/clanek/ploutve-se-mozna-vrati-kvuli-sponzorum-se-zjednodusi-deflektory

[jgonzalesm6]

Here's the link. These are Czech web pages, so just use google translator to translate it to english :)
https://f1sport.auto.cz/clanek/ploutve-se-mozna-vrati-kvuli-sponzorum-se-zjednodusi-deflektory

got it, thanks. Translated it. According to the google translator and I quote "There was even information that Ferrari threatened to veto such a proposal." (regarding the front wing.)

So it's an idle threat but not an actual veto.....yet.

[Greig]

No point them going further if Ferrari said they would veto it though is there....

[jgonzalesm6]

Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/

here's another from F1 fanatic. Went looking for this one to get more clarity. The teams are rejecting the more engines and less aero.



Shark fins could return to F1 next year

2018 F1 season

‘Shark fins’ may return to cars next despite the designs being banned for the 2018 F1 season.

A proposal to revive shark fins was discussed by the Formula One Strategy Group yesterday. Some teams are understood to favour the move as it gives them more space to offer to potential sponsors and incorporate the mandatory driver name and number signage.

The Strategy Group debated other potential aerodynamic changes to the cars to come into effect after the new season.

F1 Fanatic understands a revision to the barge board regulations, proposed by McLaren, has been adopted for next year. This is aimed at making the the area more useful for sponsors and more aesthetically pleasing. A Ferrari proposal for a simpler and less expensive rear wing endplate was also approved.

However a proposal from F1’s managing director of motorsport Ross Brawn for a simpler front wing design, a model of which was shown to teams, met with strong resistance. According to sources Ferrari threatened to use its veto right over the technical regulations to block the plan, which has now been dropped.

A further suggestion of increasing the minimum number of engines from three to four next year was also rejected.

The Strategy Group also discussed imposing a minimum period of ‘gardening leave’ on any ex-FIA or FOM staff hired by teams, to prevent them bringing sensitive information about competitors with them. However it was agreed a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ between the teams is necessary to enforce any period which is longer than that specified by the relevant local laws.

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2018/01/19/shark-fins-return-f1-next-year/

[jgonzalesm6]

TECHNIQUE F1 2018: T Wing "legal" also in 2018...Only the position was changed?


https://motorlat.com/admin/uploads/3654_f1-gp-spagna-2017-giovedi-00171.jpg


Going into more detail, and focusing on the part of the article about the now famous T-Wing, seen in more variations in the past season, these are the words that the Italian team used:

"[...] while the positioning of the transversally mounted T-wing, which all the teams used in 2017 to better direct air flow towards the rear wing has been reviewed." "[...]

As we all know, the innovative and hopefully successful design of a F1 car must be based on a great and detailed knowledge of the technical regulation, which often presents holes, gray spots, or limited indications, which in the past have strongly stimulated the imagination of designers and engineers in inventing effective solutions to improve the performance of the cars.


Just a year ago, for example, we found ourselves in the presentations of the new F1 cars with perforated noses (Red Bull), fins with particular shapes, and above all the presence of the now famous T-Wing. Presented by Mercedes on February 23rd in Silverstone's shakedown and then seen on the renderings of the Ferrari SF70-H the next day, that wing evolved successively in C-Wing, and in some cases in E-Wing by the introduction of different supports, had proved to be very useful both to channel the flow of air that, coming from the complex central portion of the car, went to the rear wing, both to provide different aerodynamic alternatives in the generation of load in the rear area, as occurred precisely in the case of the Maranello car.

During the last season, however, in the meetings for the revision of the technical regulation, the idea was not only to eliminate the famous fin which extended the cover of the bonnet but also the T-Wing, so hated from Ross Brawn. The decision, which towards the end of the championship seemed to lead to an initial maintenance of the solutions (for veto imposed by the teams), had an unexpected ending with McLaren's decision to break the agreement and accept the removal of these components.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/t-wing_2018/cattura.png

Therefore, as stated in the new regulation, the article 3.5.1 a) limits the dimensions of the engine bonnet, intact compared to the version of technical regulation 2017, imposing, or rather adding, through the article 3.5.1 point c) the absence of bodywork above 650 mm from the reference plane in an area bounded by a vertical line located at 1000 mm from the rear axle (RWCL) and from the rear axle itself.

What does this involve? A goodbye to the fin? Unfortunately for the teams that had already started the development convinced they could keep the solution, yes. A goodbye also to the T-Wing? Not exactly. Not at least according to the concept we were used to. In the past season, in fact, the regulatory hole, which involved a greater portion than that used for example by the two dominant teams, led to many solutions that we would not necessarily stop to see again this year. Let's start with an example: the double Sauber solution.

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/t-wing_2018/damkw6exuaa6sit.jpg

The T-Wing at the top can no longer be used due to the introduction of part c) to article 3.5.1 while the bottom one, which some teams have baptized with the name "Deck Wing", will still be perfectly legal (below 650 mm and at a distance of no more than 50 mm from the rear axle).

https://motorlat.com/filemanager/source/arcari/f1_analisi_tecnica/t-wing_2018/f1-barcelona-pre-season-testing-i-2017-williams-fw40-rear-wing-detail.jpg

A similar solution was brought to the track by the Williams Team with a second bow T Wing mounted in the lower part of the fin, although in this case perhaps should be slightly revised the position in height (difficult to check if the profiles are under 650 mm imposed from the 2018 technical regulation).

Now, if we thought more generally about the regulatory changes, which have also caused the disappearance of the monkey seat among other things, the 2017 solutions of Sauber and Williams could be considered very much interesting. They are not only legal, but also potentially useful "technically" to maximize the downforce created by the rear wing trying to accelerate the flow of air in the back of the rear wing and, secondary effect but not to forget, also improving the extraction air from the speaker thus overcoming the lack of a component, the monkey seat, which Team like Ferrari have used for the majority of the 2017 season.

https://motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3654/technique-f1-2018-t-wing-legal-also-in-2018only-the-position-was-changed#.WmItPb5HE2F.twitter

[jgonzalesm6]

Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/


Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.

[zike]

Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.

F1 without its most fable team is not F1 anymore

[Stormy]

Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.

F1 will lose its status as the pinnacle of motorsport if everything is simplified and standardized. F1 is special because not everyone can build the advanced technology. F1 needs to improve racing but not destroy development of state-of-the-art technology.

[racingbradley]

F1 will lose its status as the pinnacle of motorsport if everything is simplified and standardized. F1 is special because not everyone can build the advanced technology. F1 needs to improve racing but not destroy development of state-of-the-art technology.

Great post. :goodpoint You have put my long held opinion into print ;-) :-)
We don't want to see F1 cars which are all the same.
Some of the best engineers and designers gravitate to F1. Give them the speck a and maybe constraints (aka number of engines and gearboxes allowed) and put them to work to see who can be creative and build the fastest car.:-D

[PURE PASSION]

A rendering of a new desing for 2018!!!
What's your opinion???
7355

[wisepie]

I still think that some aspects of F1 should be made simpler on cost and technical grounds. Making the front wings simpler would hopefully allow cars to follow more closely and overtake more easily, so I am disappointed that Ferrari have vetoed this, unless they know something we don't! The 3 engine rule is also going to penalise a lot of drivers when I believe it should be the constructors who take the pain from engine penalties. I'm not against technical advancement but it is supposed to be motor-racing, not a fight to see who can be most technically advanced.:-E

[Greig]

Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

:rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

I still think that some aspects of F1 should be made simpler on cost and technical grounds. Making the front wings simpler would hopefully allow cars to follow more closely and overtake more easily, so I am disappointed that Ferrari have vetoed this, unless they know something we don't! The 3 engine rule is also going to penalise a lot of drivers when I believe it should be the constructors who take the pain from engine penalties. I'm not against technical advancement but it is supposed to be motor-racing, not a fight to see who can be most technically advanced.:-E

Correct. It should not be spec racing but this hybrid era formula is for Mercedes....plain and simple. 3 engines the whole season!!!! c'mon. Reliabiliy so that an engine and its components last 7 races???? And if they(components) don't last the driver get penalized instead of the manufacturer/team.....what did the driver do to get penalized if the TC goes out??

Ferrari has shot itself in the foot for 2018 AFAIC by going along with Mercedes and going against Ross's ideas.

Ross knows what the fans want but at the same time what is good for the sport.....it's all about the show/entertainment hence close battles between teams instead of one running away from everyone else. He understands F1 is loosing millions of people in viewership.

F1 should be the pinnacle of MOTOR-SPORT and not the pinnacle of hybrids. If the FIA and the Euro Community Govt's want the advancement in this so called motorsport, then those advancements in hybrid technology should go to WEC in the LMP1 program....and it should stay there where those hybrids run for 24hrs.

Hybrids (electric) = Motorsport......I think not.

This current technology in F1 is only a stop-gap of whats to come....full electric....which is Formula E. Is that considered a motorsport??

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 heading for the ‘museum to the combustion engine’ – climate change leader

Formula 1 and all other forms of motorsport which rely on the internal combustion engine are destined for the museum – and soon – according to Christiana Figueres, one of the architects of the 2015 Paris convention on climate change.

Figueres is now co-chair of the new advisory board for Formula E, along with Alain Prost, four times world F1 champion. She sees her role as being to challenge and to spur the series on to transform the automotive and transport world to decarbonise.


Speaking at the launch of the new title sponsorship by tech giant ABB of the Formula E electric racing series in London today, Figures challenged both Formula E boss Alejandro Agag and ABB CEO Ulrich Spiesshofer to bring about the “museum to the combustion engine” and to put a date on when it would happen.

“We have a lot to thank it (IC engine) for, it got us where we are today,” she said, but noted,”I challenge you to put a date on it (when the IC engine would be history).

“We are now in a race to the future, to decarbonise the world. It is unstoppable, it’s just a question of when.”

Asked by this site after the event whether this meant that Formula 1 as the pinnacle of motorsport would have to become electric or become obsolete, she agreed.

The Costa Rican, who has been Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change since 2010, suggested that racing involving internal combustion engines would have a future as an entertainment, a retro series, given that there are many beautiful cars from the last 100 years that people would want to see – and hear – race.

But as a global sporting business and as a technology leader for the automotive industry there was no question of a long term for a series which uses hybrid or any other form of fossil fuel power units.
Speaking to Popular Science Editor Joe Brown at the end of 2017, F1 managing director motorsports Ross Brawn was asked about F1 having an electric future and responded, ““I don’t see it in the next five to 10 years. I can’t see that.

“We have some tough questions to ask ourselves.”

For the short term, he added, the new owners’ view is that what F1 needs is that “The show has to be the number-one priority. The racing, the drivers, the history, the noise, the smell, the atmosphere.”

Mercedes is reputed to be building a new V6 hybrid engine for this new F1 season, with 1,000hp from just 1.6 litres. But Mercedes is also entering Formula E and F1 team boss Toto Wolff says, “The reason for us joining is that our road cars are gonna go electric — that’s a fact.”

There is an hourglass running on Formula 1’s future as a fossil fuel powered series. As governments increasingly set dates to call time on sales of petrol and diesel engined cars, the waist aperture of that hourglass opens up.

The question, as Figures says, is how long?

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2018/01/f1-heading-for-the-museum-to-the-combustion-engine-climate-change-leader/

[FerrariF60]

Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.


Ford expressed its interest? Please, Ford wouldn’t last a season in F1.......lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Ford expressed its interest? Please, Ford wouldn’t last a season in F1.......lol

Well, Cosworth also has expressed interests in F1, with backing of course from either Aston Martin or Ford given a simpler and cheaper F1 in 2021. That would'nt be a bad combination would it???? Ford and Cosworth???

[FerrariF60]

Well, Cosworth also has expressed interests in F1, with backing of course from either Aston Martin or Ford given a simpler and cheaper F1 in 2021. That would'nt be a bad combination would it???? Ford and Cosworth???

Yeah I guess
But the big guns like merc and ferrari won’t settle for cheaper engines, not after spending 100’s of millions to be where they are now

[jgonzalesm6]

Yeah I guess
But the big guns like merc and ferrari won’t settle for cheaper engines, not after spending 100’s of millions to be where they are now

AGREED!!! and totally understand Merc's and Ferrari's vested financial interests in this current hybrid formula, along with Renaults. I too would push things my way if I spent X amount of USD and things were going my way knowing I had a vast amount of resources at my disposal.

I don't care about the fans or what Ross Brawn thinks. I'm winning. I'm in it for my own personal gain(stockholders)...road relevance. I can leave whenever I want. I've got one foot in the door and the other out the door ready to step in another arena; again for my own personal gain as I see electric is the future. People will buy my product in all ranges of vehicles(cars, SUV's, truck/semi's) cuz of what my product represents. I can threaten to leave and take my engines with me.

Who's runnin the show in this hybrid era? The manufacturer or manufacturers or F1?

[paolo lalli]

The prancing horse is a symbol of free spirit that hold no barriers ferrari dna is to build cars that are cutting edge in every aspect unique sexy and very fast thats why they are big bucks never will they race against common cars.

[racingbradley]

Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.
Indy car sounds more up their street or even stock car. :lol

[theodorus8864]

A rendering of a new desing for 2018!!!
What's your opinion???
7355

I vote for this!

With Santander out and Marlboro switching to IQOS it looks gorgeous with the black - mettalic red accent.

Nice work anyway.

[MJ]

I still think that some aspects of F1 should be made simpler on cost and technical grounds. Making the front wings simpler would hopefully allow cars to follow more closely and overtake more easily, so I am disappointed that Ferrari have vetoed this, unless they know something we don't! The 3 engine rule is also going to penalise a lot of drivers when I believe it should be the constructors who take the pain from engine penalties. I'm not against technical advancement but it is supposed to be motor-racing, not a fight to see who can be most technically advanced.:-E

last season, Ferrari was able to follow another car closely and not affect the car’s performance negatively. maybe they don’t want to give the competition this advantage with this rule?

[Brembo]

Horsepower gets you pole, then the 1st place driver needs to bring the car home.

[wisepie]

Everything going electric will be very sad but inevitable, FE may be the future but I don't believe it will ever create the same passion amongst F1 fans, if there are any left by then!.:-E:-s

[Rob]

The problem F1 has/is facing, has been bought on its self. Al team voted for these engines, sorry PUs. Ferrari could of vetoed it. But then would of faced backlash for trying to stop F1 becoming "more road relevant" The main issue, is the MGU-H parts. They are the most expensive and complex. Theres not really any need to have these parts on. MGH-K, fiar enough, thats the kinetic part, thats what is more "road relevant". Now, F1 teams dont really want to drop these engines because of all the horrendous amounts of money they have wasted, sorry spent and ruined F1 on them.


Look at Honda, meant be cost saving, meant have engines last 5 odd races, but they were changing all the PU nearly every race weekend. Spendong so so so much money on them and for the cars to retire, most of the time. What did they show others like Ford, Aston Martin? apart from you may aswell get your F1 budget and throw it down the loo.

Talking of Ford, they will not return. What will F1 do for them? their GT40s are/have been doing well in IMSA, WEC and even winning Le-Mans. Aston? now thats just a badge labeling exercise, with abit of R&D. But as for them entering? i cannt see it happening, unless there is a complete reset engine rules and dropping the hybrid altogether.

FE doesnt not have massive fan following, at moment. But they are looking at ways to change that, starting next year. Yes, the noise isnt what we all like, but its good close exciting racing. They will never go to proper race tracks because that isnt what they are looking to do, as their main objective is to be different form normal racing series.

[racingbradley]

FE doesnt not have massive fan following, at moment. But they are looking at ways to change that, starting next year. Yes, the noise isnt what we all like, but its good close exciting racing. They will never go to proper race tracks because that isnt what they are looking to do, as their main objective is to be different form normal racing series.

That was a very honest appraisal of the current situation in F1 Rob thank you for that.:-)
The manufacturers in F1 are there to raise awareness of themselves and in so doing hope it will help to sell their cars! As you said Ford have no need to be there!!!
I agree with you about FE and its fan following. I think that will increase as the formula gains more street cred. There are a lot of things to like aka the fans get much nearer to the drivers during the podium presentations. :-) Also I believe that drivers and teams are more accessible during pre season testing which is very reasonable if you want to gain admission. I also like the fan interaction re fanboost. I think formula E has a lot going for it but still needs to grow up. After all it's only in its 4th year. :-D

[Brembo]

A few more former F1 drivers and "Away we go!!"

[subfire91]

no thread this year for the new car ??

[jragona]

This thread is effectively it, maybe it will become the car thread.

[gjoko-mkd]

http://autosprint.corrieredellosport.it/news/formula1/2018/01/16-1308378/ferrari_progetto_669_la_formula_1_che_verr/?cookieAccept

[gjoko-mkd]

Some news from Turrini:



1) They made a big effort to lighten the new power-unit. According to Turrini this was one of Mercedes advantages.

2) Looks like they reached their goal (about PU weight).

3) On the dyno they reached 1000hp.

4) According to Turrini Mercedes was already at 1000hp.

5) The current "conditions" (weight & power) are the ones that Ferrari was hoping to have at the end of summer 2017, but it didn't work out.

6) Windtunnel results are showing an important step forward, he says to take this with a pinch of salt though.

7) Only the first Barcelona tests will be able to confirm all this.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini/la-ferrari-ha-messo-a-dieta-la-power-unit-5.4824

[jgonzalesm6]

Some news from Turrini:



1) They made a big effort to lighten the new power-unit. According to Turrini this was one of Mercedes advantages.

2) Looks like they reached their goal (about PU weight).

3) On the dyno they reached 1000hp.

4) According to Turrini Mercedes was already at 1000hp.

5) The current "conditions" (weight & power) are the ones that Ferrari was hoping to have at the end of summer 2017, but it didn't work out.

6) Windtunnel results are showing an important step forward, he says to take this with a pinch of salt though.

7) Only the first Barcelona tests will be able to confirm all this.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini/la-ferrari-ha-messo-a-dieta-la-power-unit-5.4824

yep, taking all this with a pinch of salt.:-)

[Stormy]

How relevant is Turrini?

[nuni]

How relevant is Turrini?

Irrelevant. Presents himself like a guy full of inside information but last year said the car was a disaster and Ferrari were even designing a completely different B spec of the car to come before mid season. All is information proved to be completely wrong.

[Stormy]

Irrelevant. Presents himself like a guy full of inside information but last year said the car was a disaster and Ferrari were even designing a completely different B spec of the car to come before mid season. All is information proved to be completely wrong.

Oh yeah, i remember that article last year. This guy is a joke then :-D

[jpalmito]

Irrelevant. Presents himself like a guy full of inside information but last year said the car was a disaster and Ferrari were even designing a completely different B spec of the car to come before mid season. All is information proved to be completely wrong.

This is not true.he said he had no reliable informations concerning the 2017 challenger and knowing how usualy italians reacts he thought it's was a bad sign for the championship.
Concerning the b car he only just said the team was evaluating different wheelbase.

[jgonzalesm6]

Force India will reveal new team name & logo during launch event at Barcelona (Feb 25). AMuS (German)

[Stormy]

Force India will reveal new team name & logo during launch event at Barcelona (Feb 25). AMuS (German)

That's interesting. We know they are not allowed to use Force One because FOM deems it confusing with the championship's name, so let''s see what they came up with.

[aroutis]

Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.

By all means...
As I 've said before, "Which F1 are we talking about? ", is the question at hand. If you refer to an F1 that is a specs series with teams that have nothing to do with Mercedes and Ferrari, that Honda is supposed to be a serious team whereas right now is the laughing stock of the field, sure, there could be such an F1 after Merc and Ferrari deserted this sport.
Then again, soon after people would be thinking back to the F1 of the past and would cry...

[jgonzalesm6]

By all means...
As I 've said before, "Which F1 are we talking about? ", is the question at hand. If you refer to an F1 that is a specs series with teams that have nothing to do with Mercedes and Ferrari, that Honda is supposed to be a serious team whereas right now is the laughing stock of the field, sure, there could be such an F1 after Merc and Ferrari deserted this sport.
Then again, soon after people would be thinking back to the F1 of the past and would cry...


How about an F1 with:

1.) unlimited testing - Honda have gone through 62 to 65 engines since it started (2015) this hybrid era....that's an engine per race per year NOT INCLUDING the one's dyno'ed. Had there been unlimited testing, Honda's dismall performance would probably have been cut in half.

2.) Token system (started 2014 ended 2016 into 2017) - example No.1 plus most teams et. al. Ferrari and Renault would be up in horsepower taking it to the "Galactic Empire."

3.) Aero regs - get rid of DRS; its fake overtaking. Plus the front wing and rear diffuser elements because cars cannot follow closely.

3.) Reliability - REALLY? 3 engine components per season???? REALLY??

4.) Let's face it, given all the rules and regs, in retrospect, F1 is sorta of a spec. series with no margin for innovation ESPECIALLY in the PU dept.

Let Ferrari and Mercedes (really Mercedes) and possibly Renault start their own series of F1 where they can use whatever tech they want for road relevance. Let others like Porsche, VAG, possibly Ford and Manor (yes, they want to come back) on top of RedBull, Toro Rosso and Force India make F1 a true MOTORSPORT where it's ball's out racing without having to worry about reliability, efficiency, gas mileage and massive costs(mostly the hybrid PU) all due to road relevance.

[Greig]

1) they would have used more engines, no teams want unlimited testing as they don't want to spend the money doing so.

2) Ferrari seemed to follow ok last year, maybe others can change design.....

3) Not really going to be much of an issue, teams dont want to use a new engine every race again due to costs

4) LOL no

[jgonzalesm6]

1) they would have used more engines, no teams want unlimited testing as they don't want to spend the money doing so.

2) Ferrari seemed to follow ok last year, maybe others can change design.....

3) Not really going to be much of an issue, teams dont want to use a new engine every race again due to costs

4) LOL no


1.) RIGGHHHT - so spending anywhere from $5 to $10 million USD per hybrid PU is more cost effective!!!!:roll a simple V-8 turbo w/kers is around $500k USD. You could use 10 per season and still not come close to the current hybrid PU's used per season.

2.) Against who? Mercedes? If so it's because Mercedes dialed down the engine (once in the lead) to save it for the next race.

3.) If you make the engines simpler and cheaper, you will drive down costs.

4.) Then why all the rules in this current hybrid formula. The cars pretty much look the same the only difference is the hybrid PU; and even then, Mercedes and Ferrari have secret modes that only THEY have access to, the other teams that they supply engines too DO NOT. I wonder why that is??? I don't think thats fair. About the only manufacturer that has not done this is Renault hence RedBull beats them in race pace, quali.

[PURE PASSION]

Let others like Porsche, VAG, possibly Ford and Manor (yes, they want to come back) on top of RedBull, Toro Rosso and Force India make F1 a true MOTORSPORT where it's ball's out racing without having to worry about reliability, efficiency, gas mileage and massive costs(mostly the hybrid PU) all due to road relevance.

Really??!!
Do you think that porsche and VAG!!!!! would want to compete in a pure motosport championship without any road relevance technology???!!!

[Stormy]

How about an F1 with:

1.) unlimited testing - Honda have gone through 62 to 65 engines since it started (2015) this hybrid era....that's an engine per race per year NOT INCLUDING the one's dyno'ed. Had there been unlimited testing, Honda's dismall performance would probably have been cut in half.

2.) Token system (started 2014 ended 2016 into 2017) - example No.1 plus most teams et. al. Ferrari and Renault would be up in horsepower taking it to the "Galactic Empire."

3.) Aero regs - get rid of DRS; its fake overtaking. Plus the front wing and rear diffuser elements because cars cannot follow closely.

3.) Reliability - REALLY? 3 engine components per season???? REALLY??

4.) Let's face it, given all the rules and regs, in retrospect, F1 is sorta of a spec. series with no margin for innovation ESPECIALLY in the PU dept.

Let Ferrari and Mercedes (really Mercedes) and possibly Renault start their own series of F1 where they can use whatever tech they want for road relevance. Let others like Porsche, VAG, possibly Ford and Manor (yes, they want to come back) on top of RedBull, Toro Rosso and Force India make F1 a true MOTORSPORT where it's ball's out racing without having to worry about reliability, efficiency, gas mileage and massive costs(mostly the hybrid PU) all due to road relevance.

I agree about your points regarding unlimited testing and more engines per season. However, i don't agree about the rest because F1 must remain developing top notch technology with some road relevance for the future. That's why F1 is special, this is actually the foundation of F1. And no, F1 is not sort of a spec series now because there's a huge difference between Force India's chassis and Merc for example. Hell, there's even a huge difference between Ferrari's chassis and Mercedes. The thing i agree the most with you is that F1 must change front wing design to allow cars follow each other more easily.

[Greig]

1.) RIGGHHHT - so spending anywhere from $5 to $10 million USD per hybrid PU is more cost effective!!!!:roll a simple V-8 turbo w/kers is around $500k USD. You could use 10 per season and still not come close to the current hybrid PU's used per season.

2.) Against who? Mercedes? If so it's because Mercedes dialed down the engine (once in the lead) to save it for the next race.

3.) If you make the engines simpler and cheaper, you will drive down costs.

4.) Then why all the rules in this current hybrid formula. The cars pretty much look the same the only difference is the hybrid PU; and even then, Mercedes and Ferrari have secret modes that only THEY have access to, the other teams that they supply engines too DO NOT. I wonder why that is??? I don't think thats fair. About the only manufacturer that has not done this is Renault hence RedBull beats them in race pace, quali.

1)They would blow more up with unlimited testing, and no teams want unlimited testing.

2) LOL yeah they dialled it down to let us get close, behave. Ferrari followed a lot of cars through the season not just Merc but anyone knows that.

3) Yep which is why they are now limited, which is the point.

4) Cars do not look all the same quite clearly so not sure why you would try and suggest they do.

[Stormy]

About the only manufacturer that has not done this is Renault hence RedBull beats them in race pace, quali.
RB beats Renault because RB has by far a more superior chassis. The cars do not really look all the same if you pay attention to details.

[jgonzalesm6]

Really??!!
Do you think that porsche and VAG!!!!! would want to compete in a pure motosport championship without any road relevance technology???!!!

Then why would both parties send representatives to the meetings given the formula for 2021 which is going for a much simpler and cheaper hybrid PU; doing away with the MGU-H which is the most complex part of this hybrid PU.

Porsche is in WEC in both classes. One is Prototype where they did all their R&D in hybrid tech and the other is GT(no hybrid tech there).

Lambo is in Blancpain series - no hybrid tech there

[PURE PASSION]

Then why would both parties send representatives to the meetings given the formula for 2021 which is going for a much simpler and cheaper hybrid PU; doing away with the MGU-H which is the most complex part of this hybrid PU.

Porsche is in WEC in both classes. One is Prototype where they did all their R&D in hybrid tech and the other is GT(no hybrid tech there).

Lambo is in Blancpain series - no hybrid tech there

GT class and blacpain are both lower cost categories. F1 is another world and they dont whant to spend hundreds of millions just to go racing.And yes they wanted cheaper engines because the budget to compete now (for the championship) is too much for them.

[Stormy]

And yes they wanted cheaper engines because the budget to compete now (for the championship) is too much for them.

These companies can probably figure out a budget to race in today's F1 but just don't want to bother or think it's not commercially efficient enough. Who cares, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and Honda is enough when it comes to engine manufacturers. If these other companies want to race, they better grow some balls.

[jgonzalesm6]

In todays "road relevance" cars have or are going to take away the driving. Todays cars and future cars are getting "greener" with more green(full electric) on the horizon. There are park assist, drive assist with forward, side and rear "lidars" to assist the driver, sat/nav computer infotainment centers mounted in the center console. Some cars drive themselves while Joe/Jane Public are on the phones talking/surfing the web while the kids are watching T.V. in the car via Netflix, Hulu or any satellite TV station.

Where does F1, as a true motorsport, fit into all this entertainment, driver assist computerized and electric road relevance technology???

[Brembo]

I remember Senna's McLaren MP4/8A was Ford powered.

[Stormy]

In todays "road relevance" cars have or are going to take away the driving. Todays cars and future cars are getting "greener" with more green(full electric) on the horizon. There are park assist, drive assist with forward, side and rear "lidars" to assist the driver, sat/nav computer infotainment centers mounted in the center console. Some cars drive themselves while Joe/Jane Public are on the phones talking/surfing the web while the kids are watching T.V. in the car via Netflix, Hulu or any satellite TV station.

Where does F1, as a true motorsport, fit into all this entertainment, driver assist computerized and electric road relevance technology???

Incorporating advanced technology in F1 does not include autonomous tech.

[jgonzalesm6]

Silverstone getting a resurface

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[PURE PASSION]

In Barcelona too!!
7356
7357

[wisepie]

Incorporating advanced technology in F1 does not include autonomous tech.

Ha ha, that would definitely be the end of motor-racing if the cars became autonomous, unfortunately this will surely happen and I hope I'm not around to witness it.:-E

[Silent Bob]

RB beats Renault because RB has by far a more superior chassis. The cars do not really look all the same if you pay attention to details.

They don't if you are an avid F1 fan. But if you are F1 and trying to attract new fans then some differentiation would be a good thing. I also agree that simpler engines with some hybrid tech is what F1 needs. These Pu's are too complicated and expensive. go back to V8's with Kers or let teams have options between v8 or small turbo v6. Also have to stop tire & fuel saving. Probably won't happen but bring back refueling by mandating smaller gas tanks, forcing teams to have to stop 2-3 times. Have simpler refueling methods instead of the massive fuel rigs they use to have. This would make teams want to develop more fuel efficient engines and knowing they have to stop, can use softer tires and actually race ball out between stops.

[FerrariF60]

Silverstone getting a resurface

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ThaT track has been resurfaced not too lon ago, NO?
I mean a couple or so years ago when the new pit entry and garages were redone and relocated. So the asphalt has been deteriorated already that they had to have resurfaced?

[Stormy]

Probably won't happen but bring back refueling by mandating smaller gas tanks, forcing teams to have to stop 2-3 times. Have simpler refueling methods instead of the massive fuel rigs they use to have.
Interesting idea, but it won't look good for marketing purposes regarding fuel efficiency. They want to see cars making the distance without refueling.




Ha ha, that would definitely be the end of motor-racing if the cars became autonomous, unfortunately this will surely happen and I hope I'm not around to witness it.:-E

We will definitely see a racing championship with autonomous cars, but i doubt that will be F1. And i doubt autonomous racing will become widely popular.

[Tony]

Am I the only one that feels there is not a lot of news coming out about Ferrari this year? I guess they cracked down on the leaks, which is a good thing....

[Stormy]

Am I the only one that feels there is not a lot of news coming out about Ferrari this year? I guess they cracked down on the leaks, which is a good thing....

Yap, most of the news come from the team itself and not from outsiders.

[jgonzalesm6]

ThaT track has been resurfaced not too lon ago, NO?
I mean a couple or so years ago when the new pit entry and garages were redone and relocated. So the asphalt has been deteriorated already that they had to have resurfaced?


those pics were taken 2 days ago, so yes it's getting a another resurface.

[Silent Bob]

Interesting idea, but it won't look good for marketing purposes regarding fuel efficiency. They want to see cars making the distance without refueling.





We will definitely see a racing championship with autonomous cars, but i doubt that will be F1. And i doubt autonomous racing will become widely popular.

I think they only got rid of refueling because of cost and issues with the rigs. Use a simple gravity refuel system like Nascar. cost & reliability issues resolved. I don't think any fan really cares how much fuel these cars use.

[gvera]

Ha ha, that would definitely be the end of motor-racing if the cars became autonomous, unfortunately this will surely happen and I hope I'm not around to witness it.:-E

Well Roborace driverless electric racing car is already doing it first tests...

https://roborace.com/

[jgonzalesm6]

In Barcelona too!!
7356
7357

more from Catalunya....today (new gravel-->run offs & tyre barriers setup)


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[Riccardog]

new gravel? interesting, as a few years ago all tracks were literally FORCED by F1 / FIA to remove the gravel traps?????
what the hell is going on?

[jgonzalesm6]

Bad news for German F1 fans: Sky Germany (pay-tv) confirmed today it will NOT show any F1 races this season. So it looks like the races will be broadcasted only on RTL (free-tv) with ad breaks.

#AMuS

[Stormy]

Bad news for German F1 fans: Sky Germany (pay-tv) confirmed today it will NOT show any F1 races this season. So it looks like the races will be broadcasted only on RTL (free-tv) with ad breaks.

#AMuS

F1's popularity in Germany is going down for some time now, so no wonder. It will be interesting to see the attendance in Hockenheim this year.

[wisepie]

F1's popularity in Germany is going down for some time now, so no wonder. It will be interesting to see the attendance in Hockenheim this year.

That doesn't bode well for the future and if Sky Germany aren't showing any races especially with a German driver in a Ferrari as a possible champion and Mercedes as current champion constructor. Maybe the Merc dominance in recent years has made the public lose interest. It still seems a strange decision by Sky, they make enough money out of UK subscribers, I only subscribe to get live F1 races and pay dearly for the privilege.:-E

[Stormy]

That doesn't bode well for the future and if Sky Germany aren't showing any races especially with a German driver in a Ferrari as a possible champion and Mercedes as current champion constructor. Maybe the Merc dominance in recent years has made the public lose interest. It still seems a strange decision by Sky, they make enough money out of UK subscribers, I only subscribe to get live F1 races and pay dearly for the privilege.:-E

It looks like they are not doing so well in Germany. And yeah, it's very weird considering they have a German in a Ferrari as a title contender and plus a German manufacturer dominating the last 4 years. I can't see how Merc dominance can hurt this, it's still a German team. I really can't describe why F1's popularity in Germany is going down.

By the way, what about Channel 4? Are they less expensive than Sky? Or are they free TV?

[racingbradley]

Bad news for German F1 fans: Sky Germany (pay-tv) confirmed today it will NOT show any F1 races this season. So it looks like the races will be broadcasted only on RTL (free-tv) with ad breaks.
#AMuS

So sad for German fans. As had already been mentioned (Wisepie) Merc is the current champion and Seb a potential champion why would they do that?
Also Hulkenberg is no slouch. Maybe Merc dominance has caused a lack of interest. Still on a positive note they will still have RTL. :-)

[Greig]

Pretty sure RTL shows the race along with the ads....

[Greig]

It looks like they are not doing so well in Germany. And yeah, it's very weird considering they have a German in a Ferrari as a title contender and plus a German manufacturer dominating the last 4 years. I can't see how Merc dominance can hurt this, it's still a German team. I really can't describe why F1's popularity in Germany is going down.

By the way, what about Channel 4? Are they less expensive than Sky? Or are they free TV?

Channel 4 is free.

[stefa]

Pretty sure RTL shows the race along with the ads....

Yes they are. I remember when I used to watch races on RTL, their ads blocks are enormous long.... Thankfully here in Serbia we have Sport Klub which is broadcasting throughout whole weekend without ads :-D

[zike]

Yes they are. I remember when I used to watch races on RTL, their ads blocks are enormous long.... Thankfully here in Serbia we have Sport Klub which is broadcasting throughout whole weekend without ads :-D

in Bosnia as well :-D..........Who would thought we have something better than Germans :lol:lol

[wisepie]

Channel 4 is free.

But they don't show all the races live, so it's not the same even if we do have to watch some live races at unsociable hours!:roll

[Rob]

I agree about your points regarding unlimited testing and more engines per season. However, i don't agree about the rest because F1 must remain developing top notch technology with some road relevance for the future. That's why F1 is special, this is actually the foundation of F1. And no, F1 is not sort of a spec series now because there's a huge difference between Force India's chassis and Merc for example. Hell, there's even a huge difference between Ferrari's chassis and Mercedes. The thing i agree the most with you is that F1 must change front wing design to allow cars follow each other more easily.

Chassis? do you know what the chassis is on an F1 car? effectively its the tub, from the nose to where driver sits. Its all the same for all teams. Its only the suspension layout and setup thats different to all teams. F1 doesnt need to be road relevant. Not anymore, FE is the focus of car manufacturers for their electric drive cars.

F1 was, sort of a spec series in 60s, 70s. With the climax engines then later on nearly all teams switching to the Ford DSV engines. As they were cheap and reliable, light and very fast.

[jgonzalesm6]

Chassis? do you know what the chassis is on an F1 car? effectively its the tub, from the nose to where driver sits. Its all the same for all teams. Its only the suspension layout and setup thats different to all teams. F1 doesnt need to be road relevant. Not anymore, FE is the focus of car manufacturers for their electric drive cars.

F1 was, sort of a spec series in 60s, 70s. With the climax engines then later on nearly all teams switching to the Ford DSV engines. As they were cheap and reliable, light and very fast.

+1

[jgonzalesm6]

Number of employee's per manufacturer for 2017.

•Ferrari: 960+440
•McLaren: 690
•Haas: 225


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[jgonzalesm6]

Shanghai Circuit 01-26-18......"Oh the weather outside is frightful....."

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[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes offers Wehrlein a role as F1 test driver

Toto Wolff has confirmed that Pascal Wehrlein will be a Mercedes "test driver" in 2018. Having debuted at Manor, the young German has now lost his race seat after his second season in F1 with Sauber.

But Wolff said recently that Wehrlein, 23, will continue to enjoy the backing of the Mercedes driver programme. And the Mercedes chief now tells Sport Bild: "We have supported Pascal since 2013 and he earned his chance in formula one after his DTM victory in 2015."

"After that, he experienced two not so easy years in formula one with Manor and Sauber. But we will keep him in our racing family in 2018 and also offer him a role as F1 test driver at Mercedes, to keep his door open to formula one for 2019," Wolff added. (GMM)

https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/235434/mercedes-offers-wehrlein-a-role-as-f1-test-driver

[Kingdom Hearts]

Number of employee's per manufacturer for 2017.

•Ferrari: 960+440
•McLaren: 690
•Haas: 225



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUdSnMwXcAAIS3S.jpg

Crazy the amount of people the big teams have, I wonder if every single job is 100% necessary. F1 is complex and the cars and engines are complex too but that's a lot of people.

[Stormy]

Crazy the amount of people the big teams have, I wonder if every single job is 100% necessary. F1 is complex and the cars and engines are complex too but that's a lot of people.

I think the big teams have so many employees because Ferrari for example manufacture almost everything by itself. Haas on the other hand has a chassis by Dalara and buys engines from a different manufacturer.

[stefa]

in Bosnia as well :-D..........Who would thought we have something better than Germans :lol:lol

:rotfl:clap:thumb:-D

[Stormy]

Yes they are. I remember when I used to watch races on RTL, their ads blocks are enormous long.... Thankfully here in Serbia we have Sport Klub which is broadcasting throughout whole weekend without ads :-D

We were watching F1 on Sport Klub here in Macedonia as well. However, for some reason they switched on the Croatian Sport Klub and the broadcast is without any commentary lol. So after they switched on the Croatian one which is without commentators we were watching on the national Macedonian television but it looks like they are not going to buy the rights for this year so we are out of F1. Oh well, at least we got the Croatian one without commentators lol. But i guess i'll stream it if the national television doesn't buy the rights.