What is going on with Scuderia Ferrari

[zike]

I believe it's only fair, if we discuss Vettel mishaps, we should do the same for SF. They have a long list of mishaps during this decade, especially after the summer brake

[evo_spook]

I believe it's only fair, if we discuss Vettels mshaps, we should do the same for SF. They have a long list of mishaps during this decade, especially after the summer brake

Most teams do, now and in the past. Mercedes make a lot of brain farts but they have being able to get away without them without serious consequences. They lost the races in Austrialian and Austria due to poor decisions.

Redbull usually do the least. I'd say McLaren were the worst, a bit of a comedown from the all conquering function like a machine days or Ron, Senna and Prost days.

Ferrari's are made more off cause they are high profile and it is currently effecting their championship aspirations.

[ferenc_k]

It is quite a bit strange. Deep learning, machine learning, data mining so called artificial intelligence could help them a lot. They surely have a budget, human resources and computing power to use all the available new technologies on their prediction. Strange to get it that wrong.

[evo_spook]

It is quite a bit strange. Deep learning, machine learning, data mining so called artificial intelligence could help them a lot. They surely have a budget, human resources and computing power to use all the available new technologies on their prediction. Strange to get it that wrong.

Computers are only as good as the people who input the data and interpret the results, still can't match a canny Human.

[Michal2_F1]

Ferrari is going through a rough patch after Marchionne's news broke in Germany but Mercedes wasn't much better in the early part of the year. VSC miscalculation cost Hamilton in Australia, they messed up strategy in China and Austria. There was also double DNF in Austria and gearbox penalty in Bahrain. The only mistake Ferrari made until Hungary was that fateful Bahrain pitstop. Also there was one DNF for Raikkonen in Spain. Scuderia isn't to blame for rain in Hungary or Belgium, where Mercedes was quickest. There were mistakes in Hungary, Belgium, Singapore and Japan but they didn't cost many points actually. He still would have been second in Hungary, Belgium was a win, in Singapore he lost three points and in Japan he probably would have fought with Verstappen regardless.

The reason why Vettel is so far behind is himself. He is to blame, not Ferrari. While Hamilton drove a great season, the German made five serious mistakes. In Germany alone he threw away 32 points, his spin at Monza cost him a potential victory, another podium went begging in France, another today at Suzuka, not to mention Baku. I am not even counting Austria blocking or Singapore practice crash which didn't help.

Last year it was a bit different story. Mercedes had the edge and Vettel was doing very well to stick with the Mercedes (15-5 in PP in Mercedes favour). Baku was a bad moment and Singapore was more his fault than others but apart from that, he drove really well.

[mwk360]

I believe it's only fair, if we discuss Vettel mishaps, we should do the same for SF. They have a long list of mishaps during this decade, especially after the summer brake

nice lol

kimi is lucky he do nothing interesting 99% of the time and floats under the radar like a boss

[FerrariSteve]

imo it all started to go downhill from the tragic death of Sergio Marchionne onwards.
Seems we've had nothing but bad luck since that very sad day.

[ForzaFerrariGo!]

Scuderia Ferrari had a lot of pressure, a driver who made mistakes and a bit of bad luck!

ForzaFerrariGo!

[ScuderiaBuckeye]

Below I'm going to list all the F1 championships Ferrari has brought home under SM's rule:

[da_one]

This is what I am asking myself for the past 4 races.

Let's put all the other issues aside, such as the disastrous strategy calls and driver brain farts. Let's zero in on the overall performance of our cars.

After the break, it seems we have gone backwards and started having problems with our tires. At the same time, Mercedes have solved their only weaknesses after the break (tire blistering, soft tire performance, slow corner speed) and have been the class of the field yet again. It's perplexing how the team can't seem to make the tires work now, when the tire construction has been the same all year. Did something change in our car? the track? the tire itself?

On another note, our qualifying performance is also suspect after Monza. Is it because the FIA has clamped down on our battery boost loophole? The team keeps on saying there is no performance change even after the additional sensors. Is it just because of our tire issue as well?

This has got to be the most frustrating season I can remember. For crying out loud, we were the class of the field and beating Mercedes in terms of engine performance until the midpoint of the season. Now we are back to where we were last year and getting worst still..

[hrc5555]

nice lol

kimi is lucky he do nothing interesting 99% of the time and floats under the radar like a boss

We expect your answer on the another thread MKW360, if you dare...

[Stormsearcher]

Below I'm going to list all the F1 championships Ferrari has brought home under SM's rule:

lol.. :lol

[Stormsearcher]

This is not a recent case. As long as i have been on this forum, this has always been the case with Ferrari. Second half of the season we start to fade away.
And every year we find someone or something to blame. Usually its the team principal. Sometimes its was LDM. This year its the FIA.

It has to be something else. Until we crack that, we will continue to suffer heart break august onwards. Season after season.

[512 TR]

The thing is that if you constantly leave all your decision making in low percentage situations then bad thing are bound to happen. That's true with the drivers and their driving as well. Seb makes more mistakes in races and Kimi makes more mistakes in qualifying, but the team is obviously putting them in tough situations as well. Ferrari has been on the edge all the time compared to Merc these last two seasons. They have been so close to surpass them that they could taste it. If you're constantly "almost there" then the room for errors is very narrow. You can only look like a genius or a complete fool depending on what happens. Merc have the luxury if being able to let Ferrari come that close but they know that they only need to play the percentage game of playing it safe because they know how high Ferrari are playing with all factors in mind. The only thing to do for the future is to learn from it and not make the same mistakes. That's all there is.

[Brembo]

At Ferrari it becomes unbearable by August , mid season , or even sooner for the driver who is forced to be #2. The #2 driver has to not get in the way of pole pos. During the race move over. Only to have as is the case this year ; the #1 driver not able to take a great car and win. Fans here are already hoping Leclerc will do all he can to make Seb a WDC winner. At Red Bull , Dan was the "man", Max raced his own race. No telling him what to do to help Dan. The results, well a little better car and Max would have given hell to Lewis. Max turned 21yrs. old behind the wheel driving to win best he knows how. Too bad for the other guy. Leclerc should not be told he is in driving school, @ Ferrari, listening and watching. Hopefully Ferrari wil lput out two better than ever cars 2019, and let the best man win!

[mwk360]

damn there's zero interest in the media or news since the GP, was hoping something would happen that could be talked about


[Autobild] A Ferrari insider said in regards of Vettel: "With that chaos inside the team, every driver would make mistakes. You can‘t stay calm and concentrated."

[Ferrarichamp]

so if Ham wins in Austin, and Seb finishes 3rd or lower, Ham takes the title right there, with 3 races to spare.

[evo_spook]

so if Ham wins in Austin, and Seb finishes 3rd or lower, Ham takes the title right there, with 3 races to spare.

Lewis Hamilton 331
Sebastian Vettel 264

25 for a win
15 for third

=
356 vs 279
so yup, its all over

[Giallo 550]

I think it's fairly clear that a lot more is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, and I wouldn't be surprised if Vettel's somewhat overzealous driving is the result of this. Also, there was a gap in Suzuka and Max did not leave enough room. Vettel made like three other passes at the turn during the race.

[Giallo 550]

At Ferrari it becomes unbearable by August , mid season , or even sooner for the driver who is forced to be #2. The #2 driver has to not get in the way of pole pos. During the race move over. Only to have as is the case this year ; the #1 driver not able to take a great car and win. Fans here are already hoping Leclerc will do all he can to make Seb a WDC winner. At Red Bull , Dan was the "man", Max raced his own race. No telling him what to do to help Dan. The results, well a little better car and Max would have given hell to Lewis. Max turned 21yrs. old behind the wheel driving to win best he knows how. Too bad for the other guy. Leclerc should not be told he is in driving school, @ Ferrari, listening and watching. Hopefully Ferrari wil lput out two better than ever cars 2019, and let the best man win!

Are you talking about this year? There is little to no evidence of there being clear one and two designations from our pit wall. You're thinking of Mercedes. Raikkonen has practically always been able to run his own race this season. Now if only he remembered how to drag race at the start... I think it's clear that his reaction time is not what it was when he was younger.

[Brembo]

Are you talking about this year? There is little to no evidence of there being clear one and two designations from our pit wall. You're thinking of Mercedes. Raikkonen has practically always been able to run his own race this season.

You are right there's little to no clear evidence of 1,2, designations from the pit wall because Seb is no where to be found. Kimi can't help Seb when he can't help himself; meaning be in a "Move over for him position". Too many times Kimi was in the 1, pos. and Seb was not around to move over for him. Remember Kimi didn't loose the WDC, Seb did. And it ain't the cars fault. In other words:
Per Seb essere a capo di Pit Wall, c;e bisogno almeno Pole Pos. Ma cosa sta accadendo e Kimi divanti de Seb! Probia na vergona!

[Giallo 550]

You are right there's little to no clear evidence of 1,2, designations from the pit wall because Seb is no where to be found. Kimi can't help Seb when he can't help himself; meaning be in a "Move over for him position". Too many times Kimi was in the 1, pos. and Seb was not around to move over for him. Remember Kimi didn't loose the WDC, Seb did. And it ain't the cars fault. In other words:
Per Seb essere a capo di Pit Wall, c;e bisogno almeno Pole Pos. Ma cosa sta accadendo e Kimi divanti de Seb! Probia na vergona!

Vettel is still ahead of Raikkonen in the points and there have been multiple opportunities for Ferrari to reverse the order to help Vettel's chances. This was most recently shown on Sunday.

[Brembo]

Vettel is still ahead of Raikkonen in the points and there have been multiple opportunities for Ferrari to reverse the order to help Vettel's chances. This was most recently shown on Sunday.

Vettle's chances of what? Beating Lewis? An AR- 15 with a scope aimed at Lewis' tires, then maybe. Reverse what order? I thought there were none.

[Giallo 550]

Vettle's chances of what? Beating Lewis? An AR- 15 with a scope aimed at Lewis' tires, then maybe. Reverse what order? I thought there were none.

The championship was still wide open when Mercedes double DNFed in Austria. Ferrari could have easily swapped Raikkonen and Vettel's positions to increase Vettel's point advantage over Hamilton.

[FerrariF60]

The championship was still wide open when Mercedes double DNFed in Austria. Ferrari could have easily swapped Raikkonen and Vettel's positions to increase Vettel's point advantage over Hamilton.

It wouldn’t make a difference as later in Germany vet binned into the wall, in Monza tangled up with Ham trying to win the race in lap ONE....so yeah plenty of mistakes by Vet this year

[Brembo]

The championship was still wide open when Mercedes double DNFed in Austria. Ferrari could have easily swapped Raikkonen and Vettel's positions to increase Vettel's point advantage over Hamilton.

It's not Kimi's fault Seb is where he is. It's all Lewis' fault, Bottas some blame, and Max out to win. Seb should be able to outsmart the 21 yr. old. The answer to all this is F-1 needs at least 3 USA races!!! Austin, Miami Beach, Bronx NY.

[Brembo]

It wouldn’t make a difference as later in Germany vet binned into the wall, in Monza tangled up with Ham trying to win the race in lap ONE....so yeah plenty of mistakes by Vet this year

You have a great memory ! It just ain't Seb's year, great car and all.

[chinmay]

The first area Ferrari should look into is #1 and #2 driver. In case of Mercedes, they are using team orders since the very first race of Bottas at Mercedes in 2017 when Bottas was ordered to hold station and not overtake Hamilton, since then poor guy is used as a rear gunner for his teammate.

But MA thinks who cares for title, let our drivers fight each other, it doesn't matter whether a title is on line or not, let's give them equal status. Terrible approach. This looks even bad because Kimi is not even worthy for a #2, he is that slow, he can't get pole position 1 on 1, he can't win races, he can't overtake, he can't defend. Team principal is responsible for this current mess, hopefully they'll learn something in 2019.

[Giallo 550]

It wouldn’t make a difference as later in Germany vet binned into the wall, in Monza tangled up with Ham trying to win the race in lap ONE....so yeah plenty of mistakes by Vet this year

You completely missed my point. Brembo asked when would team orders have been applicable and I gave my example.

[Brembo]

The first area Ferrari should look into is #1 and #2 driver. In case of Mercedes, they are using team orders since the very first race of Bottas at Mercedes in 2017 when Bottas was ordered to hold station and not overtake Hamilton, since then poor guy is used as a rear gunner for his teammate.

But MA thinks who cares for title, let our drivers fight each other, it doesn't matter whether a title is on line or not, let's give them equal status. Terrible approach. This looks even bad because Kimi is not even worthy for a #2, he is that slow, he can't get pole position 1 on 1, he can't win races, he can't overtake, he can't defend. Team principal is responsible for this current mess, hopefully they'll learn something in 2019.

The only team orders Lewis has @Merc is for french fries, burgers and a Red Bull.

[mwk360]

[Sportbild] Insiders are sure: If Arrivabene stays after this year, Ferrari won‘t be competitive anymore. If Mattia Binotto finally gets the promotion, the title for 2019 is very much possible. Vettel can hope. Elkann‘s plan are looking like a promotion for Binotto

[mwk360]

[Sportbild] One of John Elkann‘s plans are to make Mattia Binotto sporting director / team principal. But Elkann wants him to focus also on the technical side. That‘s why the plan is to appoint a 2nd director who will only be responsible for the financial/political things

[ScuderiaBuckeye]

Agree MA has reached the end but Binotto's car has fallen apart two seasons in a row.

[IulianFerrari]

The thing is that if you constantly leave all your decision making in low percentage situations then bad thing are bound to happen. That's true with the drivers and their driving as well. Seb makes more mistakes in races and Kimi makes more mistakes in qualifying, but the team is obviously putting them in tough situations as well. Ferrari has been on the edge all the time compared to Merc these last two seasons. They have been so close to surpass them that they could taste it. If you're constantly "almost there" then the room for errors is very narrow. You can only look like a genius or a complete fool depending on what happens. Merc have the luxury if being able to let Ferrari come that close but they know that they only need to play the percentage game of playing it safe because they know how high Ferrari are playing with all factors in mind. The only thing to do for the future is to learn from it and not make the same mistakes. That's all there is.

I agree with this. Ferrari is always on the edge, development wise and decision wise. We have been very aggressive with our approach and it worked in the begining, but it is normal to take a wrong turn when you are on the edge with everything. Mercedes and their drivers have that luxury you mentioned with percentage. We had to be aggressive, elsewhere we wouldn't have been so close, but we are paying the price nowadays.

[IulianFerrari]

I like Maurizio and I hope he stays. Binotto needs to think more about how to make the car competitive again and less about promotions. He did it before he can do it again.