2019 Austrian GP Race

[Schumiklub]

German RTL also confirming. There’s a video of Max, he’s ****** and said: I better say nothing now.

https://www.facebook.com/111739172180831/posts/2462724783748913?s=805449905&v=e&sfns=mo


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[nani_s23]

Charles tires were so worn out that he had no chance of keeping Max behind him. Ferrari made a devastating mistake with these soft tires. Instead of intermediate ones, extend the first stint like Max. Nobody would take away their victory.

No it’s not that...!! Ferrari doesn’t have pace on hard tyres.! They don’t have the grip
Their tyres looks good.

[DefaultSettings]

The stewards are waiting for the thousands of Dutch fans to leave before they publish their decision

[nani_s23]

FIA official page is down...!!:rotfl

Ferrari & max fans .... hitting refresh button

[SilverSpeed]

:rotfl Just like F1TV then eh :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[SilverSpeed]

Anyone got a pics from the flag in Maranello ?

[KimiBot]

FIA official page is down...!!:rotfl

Ferrari & max fans .... hitting refresh button

:-)

[WS6TransAm01]

fake my mate ;)

oh crap! I got all excited!

[WS6TransAm01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI

[Christopher]

More than 2 hours after the race and we still don't know who the winner is what a mess the FIA is every other sport would have made a decision by now.

[nani_s23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI

:rotfl

[Ferrarichamp]

They are discussing the amount of money RB are willing to pay to avoid the penalty.

[wisepie]

I hate penalties too but this was a cracking race and Ferrari pitted Charles too early IMO so there was no way he was going to keep Max behind him with worn hard tyres, it was painful to watch his lead evaporate like that and he was pretty fed up on the podium, not surprisingly. Seb did all he could have done after the pit-stop dramas and nearly got Bottas too, but for Red Bull to beat us to a win with a Honda engine is not a surprise to me and I said so a few races ago. Both our drivers drove great races and deserved better. I await the official outcome but after the penalty with Seb in Canada, rules are rules. Unless they want to reinstate Seb's win , of course!:-E

[nani_s23]

One point to @Greig ... you’ve said there’s lot of media for the drivers to follow up when asked abt news on investigation.
But at Canada vet vs Ham, penalty was instant ???

[DefaultSettings]

There are rumors that the decision will be taken only after Brexit

[Greig]

Wasn't instant

[Nick Singer]

There are rumors that the decision will be taken only after Brexit


2021?

[WS6TransAm01]

There are rumors that the decision will be taken only after Brexit

Well, that's that. No decision ever.

[ferrari1.8t]

One point to @Greig ... you’ve said there’s lot of media for the drivers to follow up when asked abt news on investigation.
But at Canada vet vs Ham, penalty was instant ???

I keep asking the same thing. He said it took 10 laps for the Hamilton penalty, at roughly 1 minute a lap that’s 10 minutes, we are over 2 hours now and still no decision. Trust me...if Hamilton was involved this would have been decided already.

[nani_s23]

Wasn't instant

I mean during the race itself..?? May be after 5L?

[Giallo 550]

They're probably basing their decision on whether they can escape the Dutch fans safely.

[Greig]

I keep asking the same thing. He said it took 10 laps for the Hamilton penalty, at roughly 1 minute a lap that’s 10 minutes, we are over 2 hours now and still no decision. Trust me...if Hamilton was involved this would have been decided already.

I don't run the FIA so I have no real idea how long these things take, but it took hours to give Riccardio penalties last week and nobody was crying about how long it took or on about Hamilton :-)

[Liscia]

I take back what I said about Honda engines early this season-they are so much improved! McLaren are also much improved though now with Renault power so go figure?

Waiting for FIA stewards decision is agonizing!

[bonzo]

I take back what I said about Honda engines early this season-they are so much improved! McLaren are also much improved though now with Renault power so go figure?

Waiting for FIA stewards decision is agonizing!

FIA stewards ajourned for dinner.

[racingbradley]

There are rumors that the decision will be taken only after Brexit
:rotfl

[DefaultSettings]

They had delivered their decision to the media on a Williams

[Ferrarichamp]

They had delivered their decision to the media on a Williams

brutal :lol

[nani_s23]

So Leclerc and Binotto were about to leave and all returned back to the circuit...!!

[TonyRizza]

Fia fixed as ****, F1 is corrupted

[nani_s23]

Stewards decision: No further action. Verstappen keeps Austria win!

[nani_s23]

Not good ...!! I would say again n again. F1 doesn’t care ferrari anymore.
If SM was around, things would have been different.

[Giallo 550]

The double standard in this sport is disgusting.

[ferrari1.8t]

Stewards decision: No further action. Verstappen keeps Austria win!

I thought nothing could make me angrier than gifting Hamilton the Canadian GP. This takes the cake, the FIA is corrupt, a complete joke. There is no consistency at all, the only thing consistent is screwing Ferrari on the regular. Sickening

[nani_s23]

I want to see FIA document what they state as the reason.
If it’s ferrari car they say red car didn’t leave enough width.
When it’s other car, there’s plenty of space for ferrari to use run off track.

[nani_s23]

I thought nothing could make me angrier than gifting Hamilton the Canadian GP. This takes the cake, the FIA is corrupt, a complete joke. There is no consistency at all, the only thing consistent is screwing Ferrari on the regular. Sickening

Ferrari should show they aren’t here for money

[Aziz]

Not good ...!! I would say again n again. F1 doesn’t care ferrari anymore.
If SM was around, things would have been different.

We should make a storm now, we have been robbed two times now.... But we will stay calm as always, no chones

[Greig]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7634&stc=1

[Giallo 550]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7634&stc=1

Absolutely ridiculous

[doublesixes]

Max win stands

[Ferrarichamp]

so why was Rosberg penalized at Hockenheim 2016?

[Ed Harley]

Racing incident, move on.

[Ferrarichamp]

Racing incident, move on.

and Canada?

[ferrari1.8t]

Racing incident, move on.

If it was only that easy...

[Ed Harley]

It is up there north from USA.

[nani_s23]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7634&stc=1

Insufficient space for both cars :rotfl

[JPZ]

I'm glad Leclerc didn't get his first win this way, and missing out on celebrating on the podium.

[Ferrarichamp]

It is up there north from USA.

great argument :clap

[nani_s23]

Racing incident, move on.

Ric France ???

[nani_s23]

Need @Greig thoughts on it :-D

[chinmay]

The only way for Ferrari to win is by more than 30 seconds so that a drive-through penalty is also covered.

[Dead Eyes]

The FIA are against us and German drivers. They let Hamilton, Verstappen and Ricciardo get away with anything.

Great drive by Seb today. Bad pit stop, mechanical failure in qualifying...............................and he still beats Hamilton's faster Mercedes. We will take the FIA's points and see them again at Silverstone.

Forza Seb
Forza Ferrari

[stefa]

I really don't know why I am throwing money and going to Hungaroring this year to watch this american wrestling?!?!?

[SilverSpeed]

So does Vettel gets the win then in Canada?

Ha bunch a 2 faced guys at FIA.

[Schumiklub]

, will any luck come our way?


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[REDARMYSOJA]

so why was Rosberg penalized at Hockenheim 2016?

Because he did it to Max. When Max does the same thing to someone else, it's not a penalty. I think I understand the rules now. :Hmm

[stefa]

To be honest all this wold not be happening if Ferrari for once make great car and great pit wall crew!

[Christopher]

I think that is the correct decision if this incident is looked at in isolation however if Sebs was a penalty then how is that not a penalty there either both penalty's or none of them are penaltys. I think the FIA should just get rid of the rulebook and let them race.

In a way it's good for Charles winning your first race in the Stewarts room is by far the worst way to win it. I would much rather him win his first race on merit and be on the top step on the podium.

[REDARMYSOJA]

It is up there north from USA.

But East of the US when you consider Alaska, so it's as clear cut as the FIA rule book.

[chinmay]

Golden Boy Hamilton and Golden Toddler Verstappen must receive help at all costs.

[SilverSpeed]

I think no one from the outside understands the rules and how they apply them. Let alone how they decide on how to punish drivers to. This is just 2 weights and we'll see which one is first.

Makes absolutely no sense at all.

I want a refund for F1TV and stop watching F1 in this form cause it's to painful to see them destroy it.

[nani_s23]

To be honest all this wold not be happening if Ferrari for once make great car and great pit wall crew!

May be next year...!! Ferrari had radio communication issue with Vettel’s car. So they aren’t aware of it.

[Ferrarichamp]

F1 has 'jumped the shark'.

[nani_s23]

Because he did it to Max. When Max does the same thing to someone else, it's not a penalty. I think I understand the rules now. :Hmm

I think it was Ham not max

[Giallo 550]

I'm glad Leclerc didn't get his first win this way, and missing out on celebrating on the podium.

That's the only redeeming part of this.

[Arcana]

Garbage decision by Garbage FIA. What if there was a wall instead of run off ? Should Max have smashed Leclerc into the wall and all was ok ?

[chinmay]

May be next year...!! Ferrari had radio communication issue with Vettel’s car. So they aren’t aware of it.

Radio communication issue wasn't with Vettel's car, Vettel came in at exactly the right time, radio issue was between pit wall and the people inside the garage.

[KimiBot]

all right then, it is what it is, and race by race we are getting better,
almost both guys on podium today...have they said anything why crew was not ready with tires?

[nani_s23]

Now Ross Brawn & Jean Todt come out & say:
Stewards did right to which what they felt right. Nothing wrong in that. Sport is moving in right direction.
On my view about the incident, I’m not entitled to express sitting in this position.

They say such crap, already they have expressed their opinion again they say we are not entitled.

[nani_s23]

all right then, it is what it is, and race by race we are getting better,
almost both guys on podium today...have they said anything why crew was not ready with tires?


Radio communication issue with pit wall.

[Liscia]

The hell with them, onward to Silverstone for another crack at it. Granted improvements needed in our team but MORESO with even, consistent and fair implementation
of FIA rules!

[nani_s23]

Radio communication issue wasn't with Vettel's car, Vettel came in at exactly the right time, radio issue was between pit wall and the people inside the garage.

Oh my apologies. Noted

[KimiBot]

Radio communication issue with vettel.

okey, thanks

[DelMar]

FIA statement:

"Since car 44 was not involved in the incident and will not benefit from either outcome, we couldn't come up with a fast, automatic decision to look out for the interests of car 44 and for once, we had to look at the evidence. Hence we apologize to the fans for the long deliberation ... and also to Lewis, there was nothing we could do buddy..."

[Christopher]

Remember when people thought the FIA favoured Ferrari :rotfl

[nani_s23]

FIA statement:

"Since car 44 was not involved in the incident and will not benefit from either outcome, we couldn't come up with a fast, automatic decision to look out for the interests of car 44 and for once, we had to look at the evidence. Hence we apologize to the fans for the long deliberation ... and also to Lewis, there was nothing we could do buddy..."

:rotfl

Ham replies : Be ready next time/race

[Ferrarichamp]

so what will be Binotto's reaction?

[Dead Eyes]

Enzo would have never allowed this. Michael would have never allowed this. Only Seb has the Ferrari spirit to stand up to the FIA and their corrupt decisions.

We need to find the Ferrari spirit again.

[REDARMYSOJA]

I think it was Ham not max

They had an incident, but Nico and Max had one too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQjAQ3AhTeE

[nani_s23]

so what will be Binotto's reaction?

#binotto says congrats to #max33 and they won‘t do anything against the decision, it‘s better for the sport to go ahead #f1 #formulaone #austriangp

[Schumiklub]

They had an incident, but Nico and Max had one too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQjAQ3AhTeE

This was way less than what happened today and yet he got a penalty, while Max didn’t.


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[nani_s23]

They had an incident, but Nico and Max had one too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQjAQ3AhTeE

Ohhhh... its almost similar

[Arcana]

Enzo would have never allowed this. Michael would have never allowed this. Only Seb has the Ferrari spirit to stand up to the FIA and their corrupt decisions.

We need to find the Ferrari spirit again.

lol... hahahah big LOL... was wondering when will you popup again. Here's what your idol Seb says about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0BnWFBQl08

To sum it up for you, he's not big fan of decisions made by stewards and he wants the drivers to be let alone to race... and guess what, the stewards decided not to interfere with the initial result and let the things just as they happened on track.

[Ferrarichamp]

so Binotto 'respects the wrong decision' (whatever that means)

http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/topnews/2019/06/30/binotto-rispettiamo-decisione-sbagliata_3558f7a3-0766-4244-b12f-e00113d6ba12.html

[aquaria]

so Binotto 'respects the wrong decision' (whatever that means)

http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/topnews/2019/06/30/binotto-rispettiamo-decisione-sbagliata_3558f7a3-0766-4244-b12f-e00113d6ba12.html

He basically said "FIA made wrong decision, but we respect it. Congrats to Verstappen, let's move on".

This is so hard to watch, basically we can get robbed at will and the only thing we'll do is to accept it and turn the other cheek next time they come to slap us.

[Giallo 550]

He basically said "FIA made wrong decision, but we respect it. Congrats to Verstappen, let's move on".

This is so hard to watch, basically we can get robbed at will and the only thing we'll do is to accept it and turn the other cheek next time they come to slap us.

Basically!

[Ferrarichamp]

yeah so even if Ferrari get shafted every single race from now on, Binotto won't mind at all. The guy is clearly a doormat.

[Marino]

It would not disappoint me in the least if Ferrari retired both cars after the installation lap for the rest of the season after this.
The rule application is too inconsistent to be called fair.
Mind you, I would let them race but this is a bad joke.....

[nani_s23]

Seb & Lec consoling each other continues ...
Bahrain Canada Austria

[racingbradley]

What worries me about all of this is it sets a precedence
Max like Lewis now knows that he can get away with anything on track while other drivers will get a penalty
Well done FIA and F1 :-E

[Aziz]

yeah so even if Ferrari get shafted every single race from now on, Binotto won't mind at all. The guy is clearly a doormat.

Dominicali 2.0, why cant we have an Italian TP with Christina Vieri mentality?

[bonzo]

Retire both cars after lap 1 in the next 2races would be a good form of protest on behalf of Ferrari.

[Dead Eyes]

If only we could have Michael as a team leader. He would run the team better than anyone.

[bonzo]

yeah so even if Ferrari get shafted every single race from now on, Binotto won't mind at all. The guy is clearly a doormat.

Binotto cannot decide by himself, he probably speaks to Elkan/Camilleri what to say/do.

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari has no power. We are the team that will accept everything, everyone can play with us, we won't fight back. Mercedes has influence, even Red Bull has political power... Ferrari is just there for the sake of being there. Let's not expect anything good from the team as it will not come. Lewis will overcome Michaels records, we with our incopetence will let him be 7, 8 or even 9 or 10 times WDC. Briatore should have been our team principal. He may be plaing it dirty, but he is ruthless and that's what a team that want's to be feared, respected and be taken seriously needs. Waste of money... waste of time.

[WS6TransAm01]

#binotto says congrats to #max33 and they won‘t do anything against the decision, it‘s better for the sport to go ahead #f1 #formulaone #austriangp

Typical. Spineless loser.

This is why Ferrari is screwed.

[Cavallino]

It has nothing to do with Honda power. The DRS guarantees a pass. It makes no sense, when you consider the previous lap, where room was left, resulted in the Ferrari easily outdragging the Honda into the next corner. It's not unreasonable to assume that would repeat for 2 more laps.

[ferrari1.8t]

Typical. Spineless loser.

This is why Ferrari is screwed.

Why waste time and resources when the FIA will guaranteed not overturn the decision? It’s written in stone tifosi, the FIA and liberty, partnered with Merc and Pirelli are re-writing the history books to remove Ferrari completely. Thus, Ferrari losing its special bonus and veto.

On to the next episode of F1.

[nani_s23]

Don’t blame Binotto, he’s trying everything he could. He’s already having dual role in the team.
It should be down to ferrari president, who has to do the talk. In the past LDM, SM were doing the talks.... as a team principals Ross, SD, MA we’re managing the team & development

[racingbradley]

Ferrari has no power. We are the team that will accept everything, everyone can play with us, we won't fight back. Mercedes has influence, even Red Bull has political power... Ferrari is just there for the sake of being there. Let's not expect anything good from the team as it will not come. Lewis will overcome Michaels records, we with our incopetence will let him be 7, 8 or even 9 or 10 times WDC. Briatore should have been our team principal. He may be plaing it dirty, but he is ruthless and that's what a team that want's to be feared, respected and be taken seriously needs. Waste of money... waste of time.
I hate to say it but I agree with you. The people at Ferrari are nice and treat other people with respect but that does not win races and championships!!! :-s
During their time with us Todt, Brawn and Luca Di would not have put up with this behaviour by FIA. Now the first two are the FIA why do they now seem to hate us so................
We need strong management like that at Merc and RB.
Flavio is not my favourite person but we do not need to like managers just respect them!!!!
We need someone who would have demanded a decision before the end of the race just like Toto did in Canada. Binotto needs someone else by his side!!!!
I knew when the decision took so long which way it was going!!!! :-E They are walking all over us!!!!!!

[Cavallino]

I understand the softs if you think you're going to get beat out for pole and you want to overtake at the start, that's about it.

But soft to hards, i also don't get, if you think you're tyre wear is so light that you can get a reasonable first stint out of the softs, then wouldn't it stand to reason that you could get an extended stint out of the mediums?

Starting on mediums just seems to give you more flexibility with strategy.

I get hindsight is 20/20.

[Cavallino]

I think Vettel should have stayed on Hards, He was catching Bottas

[Cavallino]

In Canada Ham was faster on hards than Seb.

Here it was Crashtappen, the pace on hards was comprable to the Merc.

Where did Crashtappen's pace come from, his tyres were basically the same age as Ham's today.

Does shortenning the stint on the hards allow you to push that much harder? I kept on waiting for Crashtappen to hit the cliff and he didn't.

[paolo lalli]

The Ross and Jean comedy hour will crawl for miles to keep there jobs nothing but a pair of shisters.

[nani_s23]

In Canada Ham was faster on hards than Seb.

Here it was Crashtappen, the pace on hards was comprable to the Merc.

Where did Crashtappen's pace come from, his tyres were basically the same age as Ham's today.

Does shortenning the stint on the hards allow you to push that much harder? I kept on waiting for Crashtappen to hit the cliff and he didn't.

I think in general it depends on DF & mechanical grip.
On softs ferrari was faster, RB struggled
On Hard tyres RB was faster, ferrari struggling for grip.

[TTRSMAD]

Guys today this result did not go our way and i feel for Leclerc but these two are going to be racing together for a long time.
I wouldn t want to win my first race like this.
I hope leclerc tells verstappen that spitting in the air one day or another is going come back down in is face.


It leaves the door open for if somebody leading a race if you lunge as the second place on the inside and you leave no room its okay.

By the way Verstappen tried something similar on Hamilton in Monaco.

[nani_s23]

I think Vettel should have stayed on Hards, He was catching Bottas


Yeah even I thought the same. I don’t know why Team immediately called vet into pits when max passed vettel.

Anyways will take revenge with the tracks coming up Silverstone, Hungary, Germany, Spa, Monza

[Cavallino]

I think in general it depends on DF & mechanical grip.
On softs ferrari was faster, RB struggled
On Hard tyres RB was faster, ferrari struggling for grip.

not good, most of the race is on those tyres

[Cavallino]

Yeah even I thought the same. I don’t know why Team immediately called vet into pits when max passed vettel.

Anyways will take revenge with the tracks coming up Silverstone, Hungary, Germany, Spa, Monza

i am not sure about hungary and even germany

[nani_s23]

not good, most of the race is on those tyres

Ferrari were faster on mediums In Canada too.
Mediums were available in this race too, by judging top teams struggle on mediums ferrari did back off might be

[nani_s23]

i am not sure about hungary and even germany


Hungary is abt PU.

[Cavallino]

Hungary is abt PU.

I hope. Today's performance is actually encouraging, especially for tracks that I was previously ruling out. If they can figure out the harder tyres, we're gold.

[nani_s23]

I hope. Today's performance is actually encouraging, especially for tracks that I was previously ruling out. If they can figure out the harder tyres, we're gold.

It’s been years, ferrari can’t figure out the pace on hard tyres.
Mercs by far the team to be quick on hard tyres. But this year with DF they carry, they are fastest on any kind of tyre given the track layouts

[Brembo]

Garbage decision by Garbage FIA. What if there was a wall instead of run off ? Should Max have smashed Leclerc into the wall and all was ok ?

Only if Max wanted to do a Schumy move with a wall there. Max is not up there yet, he's still young. Glad Charles was not in any way hurt, except the losing part. Only Lewis can keep 1st. place with the likes of Max close by in second. Charles is doing great so far. Given time he will be #1 @ Ferrari, if they let him. Why isn't everyone here cheering Seb for finishing ahead of Lewis? That was supposed to be impossible ! :rotfl And another "No Pole " needed win for Max!

[doublesixes]

It boils down to MB turning down their engines to allow the rest of the losers (Ferrari and RBR) to have a little participation for the sake of keeping this moribund sport still alive.

If the MB boys were allowed to stretch their legs, it would have been another 1-2 and the Crashtappen incident wouldn’t be such big headline news as it was today. The RB is and has been very capable of beating SF. Nothing new there.

Anyway, MB and their boys have the championship pretty much in the bag. Today’s results were ‘pour la galerie’ as they say. Don’t be fooled.

[WS6TransAm01]

Why waste time and resources when the FIA will guaranteed not overturn the decision? It’s written in stone tifosi, the FIA and liberty, partnered with Merc and Pirelli are re-writing the history books to remove Ferrari completely. Thus, Ferrari losing its special bonus and veto.



FIA and Liberty Media are super concerned with public perception. Start dragging them through the mud. Accusing them of bias. File civil legal actions against them. Ferrari might be sucking, but they still have clout in the motorsports world due to a time, long ago, when they were good. Once the optics turn bad for FIA/Liberty they will start to change things. Boycott races. Just don't show up to Monza and tell the fans that it is because of the FIA. Cause a fan revolt. Drop in ticker sales.

One of the reasons we are in the mess we are in with tires now is because 7 of the 10 teams refused to race at the US GP in 2005. Cause enough of a stink in sport and you can get things changed. If you can't do it through diplomacy, do it through violence of action.

[Brembo]

I believe Lewis wanted to win. All WDCs are needed to reach GOAT and stay there a while. Merc the team may well be in on some other thoughts thinking they already have the WCC in the bag.

[T99]

Entertaining race, but I find it very hard to believe this sudden drop in pace from Mercedes for no apparent reason specially after the meeting where some teams were asking to change the tyres, I think they were just putting on a show to try and conserve their enormous advantage

[evo_spook]

Entertaining race, but I find it very hard to believe this sudden drop in pace from Mercedes for no apparent reason specially after the meeting where some teams were asking to change the tyres, I think they were just putting on a show to try and conserve their enormous advantage

They was running on low engine modes due to the heat

[Greig]

Ferrari were faster on mediums In Canada too.
Mediums were available in this race too, by judging top teams struggle on mediums ferrari did back off might be

Mediums in Canada were C3 compound, in Austria medium were C4 they are not the same, C4 is a softer tyre. Link kind of explains it, soft at Silverstone is same as medium at Austria for example.

https://www.pitpass.com/64673/Pirelli-reveals-British-GP-tyre-compounds
(https://www.pitpass.com/64673/Pirelli-reveals-British-GP-tyre-compounds)

[nani_s23]

Mediums in Canada were C3 compound, in Austria medium were C4 they are not the same, C4 is a softer tyre. Link kind of explains it, soft at Silverstone is same as medium at Austria for example.

https://www.pitpass.com/64673/Pirelli-reveals-British-GP-tyre-compounds
(https://www.pitpass.com/64673/Pirelli-reveals-British-GP-tyre-compounds)

Got it :thumb

[nani_s23]

Mediums in Canada were C3 compound, in Austria medium were C4 they are not the same, C4 is a softer tyre. Link kind of explains it, soft at Silverstone is same as medium at Austria for example.

https://www.pitpass.com/64673/Pirelli-reveals-British-GP-tyre-compounds
(https://www.pitpass.com/64673/Pirelli-reveals-British-GP-tyre-compounds)

But it’s the same strip or colour right ???

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-tyres-have-the-teams-and-drivers-picked-for-canada.7yjWchqPVc4GOiyxOF5DK2.html

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-tyres-have-the-teams-and-drivers-picked-for-austria-2019.2BNQz6tFaLbnmpz3iiFtIj.html

[nani_s23]

So u mean in Austria Softs are one step softer like Ultrasofts???

[racingbradley]

Hmm I have just had a thought the Mercedes boys didnt put up a fight today because they wanted max to get a win before
Hungary.
I doubt Lewis would want max in the team two of a kind. ;-)

[KimiBot]

Hmm I have just had a thought the Mercedes boys didnt put up a fight today because they wanted max to get a win before
Hungary.
I doubt Lewis would want max in the team two of a kind. ;-)

sounds like a good theory, but Mercs did had a real problems here with corners, that is where Ham did get his front wing damaged and he was actually P2 in quali, so it looks like they did try to win, but without success, also Bottas did say something about PU overheating problems so he was forced just to cruise hole race

[Giallo 550]

Where is Ferrari's president??? The guy appears to be completely MIA compared to Luca and Sergio.

[killer]

If they called it on Seb, they should have called it on Max. Terrible, terrible officiating.

Charles is top notch. I admire his skill and bravery.

Again we botched a stop, and arguably 3rd for Seb.

[killer]

But it’s the same strip or colour right ???

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-tyres-have-the-teams-and-drivers-picked-for-canada.7yjWchqPVc4GOiyxOF5DK2.html

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-tyres-have-the-teams-and-drivers-picked-for-austria-2019.2BNQz6tFaLbnmpz3iiFtIj.html

Yes. Only 3 color strips are used (Red - Soft, Yellow - Medium, White - Hard) but choices for each span a range of 5 tyres: C1 to C5, with C1 being the hardest. You are better served forgetting last year's designations.

[Ferrari312T4]

We should rehire that Japanese guy from Bridgestone. Maybe he could solve this tire problem we encounter.

[FerrariF60]

We should rehire that Japanese guy from Bridgestone. Maybe he could solve this tire problem we encounter.

he never helped us last time around he was at Ferrari.....we always seemed to have issues with the hardest compounds of tires

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari president to busy counting billions of dollars from record Ferrari rd car sales massive profits.Here is a fact Ferrari make more profit in the sale of a Ferrari than any other high end manufacturer example 3 porche sales profits = One Ferrari that's why he is busy.

[Stormsearcher]

Hmm I have just had a thought the Mercedes boys didnt put up a fight today because they wanted max to get a win before
Hungary.
I doubt Lewis would want max in the team two of a kind. ;-)

haha.. nice theory. But Bottas would/should have been gunning for victory then, since its his **** on the line.

[Stormsearcher]

If they called it on Seb, they should have called it on Max. Terrible, terrible officiating.

Charles is top notch. I admire his skill and bravery.


Was a fair call dude. He hardly pushed charles out. He just held his line.
We have seen much much worse termed as racing incident.

But charles will get his victory. He is brilliant. His defense against max for 2 laps was amazing and he didnt make a mistake (like spin on his own) under pressure. It was impossible to however hold back a car that was so much faster. Where RBR/Max found such speed is intriguing. That felt like a merc on fresh tyres the way he caught bottas and Charles.

In any case, for Charles, bodes well for a great future in F1 and hopefully with us.

[Ferrarichamp]

Bottas was having a good race not far behind Charles then faded completely, a tad suspicious?

[Stormsearcher]

Bottas was having a good race not far behind Charles then faded completely, a tad suspicious?

If only you consider that even charles faded completely, suspiciously. Cause max caught both of them with equal efficiency.
What is suspicious is that pace on worn tyres. How did that RBR suddenly get so fast?
Have RBR found another loophole?

[IulianFerrari]

Max was the faster man. He was down at the start, keep in mind he was behind Vettel but managed to win, that's just great. Charles will get his win, no doubt, but we look really far away title wise and just one or two wins won't change that.

[Ferrarichamp]

If only you consider that even charles faded completely, suspiciously. Cause max caught both of them with equal efficiency.
What is suspicious is that pace on worn tyres. How did that RBR suddenly get so fast?
Have RBR found another loophole?

I had a feeling they might have something up their sleeve for their home race. But yeah something seems a bit off, I don't really buy the mercs overheating theory either.

[Stormsearcher]

Max was the faster man. He was down at the start, keep in mind he was behind Vettel but managed to win, that's just great. Charles will get his win, no doubt, but we look really far away title wise and just one or two wins won't change that.

Yes there is no doubt Max drove a brilliant race. And yes charles will get his. And i hope he does, cause it doesnt matter that he (or even Seb) may not longer be in contention for the title, but every victory counts; will also help the morale of a team that am sure the italian press is trashing to bits.

[Ferrarichamp]

Unfortunately Silverstone is a banker Lewis win.

[Warp]

Again, our car seems mighty on the first stint but we lose pace on second stint (especially on Hard tyres).

[wisepie]

Unfortunately Silverstone is a banker Lewis win.

Maybe Max will stop that happening, or in our dreams Charles or Seb could just pull some thing out of the bag, our team is owed a lot after being screwed twice in three races. They should re-instate Seb's Canada win if consistency is to be applied by the stewards.:-E:furious

[Riccardog]

Sigh.... another nail in F1's coffin...
Austrian GP, red bull under investigation, by rule of F1 rule book, penalty should have been given, but wait.... Niki Lauda was austrian and a red bull team member.... let's overlook the rule book and just move on.

YEAH... them's the rules F1 applies now.
Politics ABOVE racing.

[Schumiklub]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190701/dfa1d82cb3b575570355916cb909a821.jpg

Max was the same way out of position as Mag. Didn’t get a penalty for that either.


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[SilverSpeed]

:furious

[nani_s23]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190701/dfa1d82cb3b575570355916cb909a821.jpg

Max was the same way out of position as Mag. Didn’t get a penalty for that either.


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how can we determine whether they are in or out from the above pic? Yellow line?

[Schumiklub]

how can we determine whether they are in or out from the above pic? Yellow line?

That’s what Brundle said. If they’re over the yellow line they’re out of position. Maybe Kevin was a few inches more over it.


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[stefa]

Day after the race, sleepover, cool head, what come to mind is that in a motor sport like F1 with thousands of parts in engine and chassis, we are all hostages of simple piece of rubber! No matter what car and engine it is, once the tires are gone that poor man is destined to be just a observer of things going around him. Can any one tell me if remembers when there was a fight with two drivers, overtaking each other lap by lap?
Something like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZ0wv1I8yc

Other thing which need to get ditched is DRS! That is beyond stupid!

[JPZ]

Day after the race, sleepover, cool head, what come to mind is that in a motor sport like F1 with thousands of parts in engine and chassis, we are all hostages of simple piece of rubber! No matter what car and engine it is, once the tires are gone that poor man is destined to be just a observer of things going around him. Can any one tell me if remembers when there was a fight with two drivers, overtaking each other lap by lap?
Something like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZ0wv1I8yc

Other thing which need to get ditched is DRS! That is beyond stupid!

Agreed. It basically guarantees that a faster car will overtake.

[Ferrarichamp]

There should be 2 tyre manufacturers again, but of course that won't be allowed to happen.

[Arcana]

Agreed. It basically guarantees that a faster car will overtake.

I agree about the tires, but not sure about the DRS... Without DRS we will have just a complete borefest due to cars inability to follow each other(tires overheating, aero regs) and also many of the current F1 circuits that are just dull.

[Brembo]

Max's driving is what got him up and right behind Charles, it was his driving that got him in 1st. and the win, plain and simple! We need him @ Ferrari ! Or was it the Honda power that's now better than Merc and Ferrari?: rotfl Or he had better tires? :rotfl The 21yr. old drives his heart out ! Win is all he thinks about! Charles is right up there also !

[Rob]

FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL FOR 71 LAPS

media

Spielberg, 30 June 2019 – Scuderia Ferrari leaves Austria with a second and fourth place courtesy of Charles Leclerc and Sebastian Vettel, which came at the end of a great race that was closely fought right from the start to the end of the 71 laps.

Start. Charles got a perfect getaway to keep the lead, ahead of Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton. Sebastian also shot off the line and by the end of the opening lap he’d already made up three places to cross the line sixth behind Raikkonen and Norris. Sebastian pursued the English McLaren driver and got past on lap 4, then two laps later he also dealt with the Finn in the Alfa Romeo.

Pit stop. On lap 21, Sebastian was the first Scuderia Ferrari driver to pit, replacing the Softs on which he started with Hards. The German’s stop took longer than usual, because of a radio problem, which meant the mechanics were not quite ready in time. This cost Sebastian around three seconds, as he rejoined behind Gasly in eighth place. Charles came in on the next lap, rejoining right behind Hamilton and Verstappen yet to stop.

Mid-race. At the halfway point, when all the leaders had pitted for the first time, Charles had a five second lead over Bottas, with Vettel closing fast on Verstappen and Hamilton. On the hard tyres, the Dutch Red Bull driver was lapping faster than Sebastian and caught the number 5 SF90 on lap 49, getting ahead one lap later. The team reacted immediately, switching Vettel to a more aggressive two stop strategy. Sebastian set off on Soft tyres, seven seconds behind Hamilton.

Close finish. On lap 56, Verstappen caught Bottas, passed him and set off in pursuit of Charles, with fresher Hard tyres. The Dutchman caught Leclerc with six laps to go. On lap 68, he passed Charles at Turn 3, but the Ferrari man made the most of the SF90s good traction to retake the lead on the next straight. One lap later, Verstappen attacked again at the same place, but collided with Charles, which forced him to run wide. At the same time, Sebastian caught Hamilton and passed him a lap later. Verstappen took the flag 2.7 seconds ahead of the Ferrari man. Third was Bottas, just seven tenths ahead of Sebastian. The next round takes place at Silverstone in a fortnight’s time.

Investigation. The incident between Charles and Max was reviewed by the Stewards. Almost three hours after the end of the Grand Prix, the decision was announced that it had been a racing incident and that no further action would be taken and so the classification remained the same.

Charles Leclerc #16
“It was a positive weekend overall. Unfortunately, it did not end as we would have liked it to.
My first stint was good and our pace was there. We pitted early to prevent losing our track position to Bottas. This made the second stint longer and more challenging than expected, as the rear tyres degraded quite a bit towards the end of the race.
Second place is not what we wanted, but we gave it our all and made good a step forward this weekend. I am conviced that this will bring further progress for the next few races and allow us to achieve the success that we want.”

Sebastian Vettel #5
“I’m always positive and today the team gave me a great car to drive and I think this was a better weekend for us, maybe like in Canada a few weeks back. I’m disappointed about how things went for me yesterday but today’s race was fun for me from the cockpit and I enjoyed some good wheel to wheel battles, pushing throughout.
I’m also disappointed for Charles as he did an excellent job and was very strong all weekend.
All in all, I’m happy in one sense but unhappy in another, because we could have had both cars on the podium this weekend, one of them on the top step.
As for the car, we know what’s needed: we need more downforce. We are strong at tracks like this and the one in Canada and we know what we have to do to improve the car, but it’s not easy and it can’t be done in just one day. I’d like to thank all the team in Maranello because all of them are very passionate about this and are working like mad to improve the car. This year’s Ferrari is definitely good enough to win races.”

Mattia Binotto Team Principal
“Every race has a tale to tell and today’s was a great one, featuring some exciting battles. For our part, we have shown that we are continuing to improve. Charles drove a really strong race from start to finish and indeed he was fantastic all weekend.
Seb also had an excellent race: on the hard tyres he attacked and pushed to the maximum even if in doing so, they wore quickly. From that, it’s clear his two stop strategy was not planned in advance, but adopted as his race evolved. There’s obviously disappointment for the radio problem we had at Seb’s pit stop. Not all the mechanics heard the call and that cost him precious time.
With regards to the decision of the stewards, we fully accept it, even though we don’t believe it is the right decision. They are the judges and we have to respect that. However, even though I am first and foremost a Ferrari fan, I think it’s time for F1 to turn the page and to look ahead. As we often say, we should leave the drivers free to fight, as overall this will be good for the sport and good for F1. So ‘bravo’ to Verstappen, he drove a fantastic race today as did Charles. There will be new opportunities for us in the future.”

[racingbradley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZ0wv1I8yc

Other thing which need to get ditched is DRS! That is beyond stupid!
Thank you for the link to a proper race Stefa when F1 was about pure racing not who could make the gizmos work better!!!
DRS is just a step too far and ruins wheel to wheel racing. :roll

[killer]

Was a fair call dude. He hardly pushed charles out. He just held his line.
We have seen much much worse termed as racing incident.

But charles will get his victory. He is brilliant. His defense against max for 2 laps was amazing and he didnt make a mistake (like spin on his own) under pressure. It was impossible to however hold back a car that was so much faster. Where RBR/Max found such speed is intriguing. That felt like a merc on fresh tyres the way he caught bottas and Charles.

In any case, for Charles, bodes well for a great future in F1 and hopefully with us.

I've no issue with the non-call, matter of fact. My thing is they have to call it on both ends. Saying incidents should be looked at independently of each other is fair but is a non-argument in this case: there has to be a baseline and consistency. I look to more robust racing over the remainder of the season and they better check their whistles.

[Cavallino]

Agreed. It basically guarantees that a faster car will overtake.

It's a bit too strong, yes.

[No1.FerrariFan!]

There should be 2 tyre manufacturers again, but of course that won't be allowed to happen.

Yes that won't be allowed BUT, I wonder why they can't have teams decide which gauge of tyre they want to compete on! Give them the choice of thin or thick and then everyone is happy, YES/NO

[paolo lalli]

Yes just like ham would you like it sliced thick or thin.

[Noquarter]

7635

[Giallo 550]

7635

I'll still take Charles.

[Nick Singer]

I think LEC was pitted too early. He still had pace but ended up with tyres 10 laps older than those on Max's wagon.

He is as good, if not better, than Mad Max and the Ferrari is as good as the RB - if not better..

Another pit wall call that may have cost us a win.

[Noquarter]

Max has much more experience in F1. It's already its 5th season even though it is not even 22 years old. Ferrari has to do everything to prevent Verstappen from going to Mercedes.

[Giallo 550]

Max has much more experience in F1. It's already its 5th season even though it is not even 22 years old. Ferrari has to do everything to prevent Verstappen from going to Mercedes.

And yet, Leclerc is doing just fine while racing for Ferrari in his second season. He should have had two wins at this point. The team desperately needs to fix the car.

[tifosi1993]

I think LEC was pitted too early. He still had pace but ended up with tyres 10 laps older than those on Max's wagon.

He is as good, if not better, than Mad Max and the Ferrari is as good as the RB - if not better..

Another pit wall call that may have cost us a win.

+1

If Leclerc started on mediums, he would've easily won. I still don't understand Ferrari's decision tbh, they brought 5 sets of medium tyres for Charles and 4 sets for Vettel. I mean why bring these many medium tyres if you don't want to use them anyway.

[JPZ]

And yet, Leclerc is doing just fine while racing for Ferrari in his second season. He should have had two wins at this point. The team desperately needs to fix the car.

Yes, really happy we have Leclerc in the Team, his driving and defence against Verstappen were exceptional.

[arno]

I jumped from my chair when Charles recaptured the lead on the next straight. He left the inside open just to carry more speed by going wider I believe and passed Verstappen, who had DRS!

Great move, rock solid, clean.

Then the little Verstappen realised that he cannot pass without pushing Charles out of the corner. He did exactly this next lap.

But what was a bit fishy in my opinion was the absence of the Mercedes cars and their lacklustre performance. It felt really strange, the nose replacement for Hamilton, how Bottas was passed by Verstappen - ridiculous, he came from the moon and passed by like Bottas was lapped. It felt strange, at least for me.

Then it's the performance of Verstappen. It was unreal, he got the FL on older hards compared to the softs on Seb's car. How is that possible?
Lapped his teammate on a dry race. Did this happen in the past 15 years?

[racingbradley]

I think LEC was pitted too early. He still had pace but ended up with tyres 10 laps older than those on Max's wagon.

He is as good, if not better, than Mad Max and the Ferrari is as good as the RB - if not better..

Another pit wall call that may have cost us a win.

+ 1:-)

[Greig]

Mediums might have lasted a bit longer but then we might not have had a good start and lost position anyway, too easy to say mediums would mean we win. We did however just react to Mercedes and seemed to think Max was no threat to us after his start, and tbf most of us on here did not think Max was much of a threat until he started gaining.

[Noquarter]

I jumped from my chair when Charles recaptured the lead on the next straight. He left the inside open just to carry more speed by going wider I believe and passed Verstappen, who had DRS!

Great move, rock solid, clean.

Then the little Verstappen realised that he cannot pass without pushing Charles out of the corner. He did exactly this next lap.

But what was a bit fishy in my opinion was the absence of the Mercedes cars and their lacklustre performance. It felt really strange, the nose replacement for Hamilton, how Bottas was passed by Verstappen - ridiculous, he came from the moon and passed by like Bottas was lapped. It felt strange, at least for me.

Then it's the performance of Verstappen. It was unreal, he got the FL on older hards compared to the softs on Seb's car. How is that possible?
Lapped his teammate on a dry race. Did this happen in the past 15 years?

Max is rude, arrogant, selfish but he is the fastest driver in F1 at the moment.

[paolo lalli]

Italian press fuming more or less saying Ferrari can not win off the track Canada now Austria and then the tyres. Shot down 3 times in less than 2 weeks conspirancy theory at play against Ferrari.? I would bet if Sergio was alive all would have went Ferraris way we lost a real lion he was the king of the automakers world and the fia feared him.I believe with Sergio passing a lot of influence went with this highly respected person.All we have now is karma and that will now be our rock as always.

[nani_s23]

Mediums might have lasted a bit longer but then we might not have had a good start and lost position anyway, too easy to say mediums would mean we win. We did however just react to Mercedes and seemed to think Max was no threat to us after his start, and tbf most of us on here did not think Max was much of a threat until he started gaining.

Perfectly said. Ferrari tried to cover mercs, they never treated max as a threat

[Arcana]

Mediums might have lasted a bit longer but then we might not have had a good start and lost position anyway, too easy to say mediums would mean we win. We did however just react to Mercedes and seemed to think Max was no threat to us after his start, and tbf most of us on here did not think Max was much of a threat until he started gaining.

Yeah well I stated before the race that Max might be a real danger for us and I was so relieved after his poor start. And then bang after his pit stop he carried so much speed and it was incredible that his tires held so good until the end... Also Max is no stranger when it comes to such performances... he almost won the US GP last year starting from 15th(no safety car) and his driving in the wet in Brazil 2016 was quite impressive. If he keeps driving like that and gets similar results like he got in the second part of 2018 he might even have a slight chance at WDC this year.

[Tifoso Svedese]

With hindsight, bringing Leclerc in the lap after Vettel for the softs probably would've been the right call. Verstappen would've stood zero chance holding him off. That being said, reaction and math in terms of average time dropped per lap seems to be really illogical for all the teams, but especially Ferrari's strategy department. Had Leclerc come in right there, he'd have 15 laps fresher softs versus old hards for 20 laps to take 11-12 seconds on Verstappen, doing 1.5 seconds/lap faster times with ease for ten laps. Well, well...

As for what the FIA did after the race though, that was dreadful. Complete and utter anti-Ferrari bias as usual. Does anyone even believe for a millisecond Hamilton wouldn't have been awarded the win had Verstappen pushed him off like that? Like really? :-E

[nani_s23]

Actually both ferrari could have done longer stint on Soft tyres.
For Lec, team thought Bottas is a threat. For Vettel they want to leapfrog Ham I think so. On the same line, they haven’t thought of Mad max.

If vettel pit stop could have been quick, then vettel would be ahead of bottas.

Ham front wing change n his pace opened chance for max, else Ham vs max battle would have been on.
Lucky Ham :rotfl

[Warp]

It's funny how everyone is calling Max's performance unreal, since Leclerc had NO pace in Hard tyres. Leclerc schooled him aswell with 0.450s gap in Qualifying.

And Hamilton the "perfect driver" who does no mistakes. He destroyed his FW when he was pushing with a imperfect car.

[paolo lalli]

Tyres tyres bloody tyres.

[Stormy]

If he keeps driving like that and gets similar results like he got in the second part of 2018 he might even have a slight chance at WDC this year.

Doubt it, this kind of performances with this Red Bull are just one offs. But yeah Max is a beast no denying that.

[Brembo]

Tires, heat, on and, on! From qual. to the checkered flag is a lot of driving. Max won the race , that's it. If he wasn't up into 2nd. place those last 3 laps wouldn't have been so great to watch. If Seb was there behind Charles , Ferrari would have a win !

[Ferrarichamp]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/40602/did-match-fixing-give-max-verstappen-the-win-former-dutch-f1-driver-thinks-so-.html

[distortion]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/40602/did-match-fixing-give-max-verstappen-the-win-former-dutch-f1-driver-thinks-so-.html

It was just as hot, or hotter at France. Yet Mercedes had no “cooling issues” there.

Somehow Max’s tires never reached the artificial “cliff” and gave lap times well below the delta for the harder compound.

For the Win... at his home race and exactly when needed to quell the rising tide of awareness. ...or at minimum boredom.

I was born in the dark... but I wasn’t born yesterday!

[Brembo]

Doubt it, this kind of performances with this Red Bull are just one offs. But yeah Max is a beast no denying that.

One of's wins by Max is far better than none of's wins by Seb. A slight chance is worth watching rather than a no chance.

[nani_s23]

Where's Max in Canada ???:rotfl
Oh Monaco Rbull Honda, Max had the strongest car but why he couldn't pass Ham? oh he's not getting good enough pay at Rbull:rotfl

[KimiBot]

It was just as hot, or hotter at France. Yet Mercedes had no “cooling issues” there.

Somehow Max’s tires never reached the artificial “cliff” and gave lap times well below the delta for the harder compound.

For the Win... at his home race and exactly when needed to quell the rising tide of awareness. ...or at minimum boredom.

I was born in the dark... but I wasn’t born yesterday!

Charles was acting? He deserves Oscar.

[distortion]

No… Charles was doing a great job considering his tires had fallen off a cliff.

Max is a great driver for sure. All I'm saying is... this sport could be controlled to some degree by tires. Along with other contrivances. e.g. Mercedes sudden cooling issues.

[Brembo]

Where's Max in Canada ???:rotfl
Oh Monaco Rbull Honda, Max had the strongest car but why he couldn't pass Ham? oh he's not getting good enough pay at Rbull:rotfl

Your passion for Max , R Bull and Lewis is overwhelming! Try talking about Ferrari for a change, Charles is doing great. Your dying to see Max for Seb will take a while. Calm down , it will happen.

[nani_s23]

Similar to your passion when throwing the name of Vettel in every of your post.
One time you say it’s for $, other time you poles are not needed :rotfl.

Don’t worry max time will come, he will come for those $ only :-D

[Brembo]

We need Kubica's experience @ Ferrari.