British GP 2019 race thread

[chinmay]

Hamilton FL at the last lap on old tyres... do ANYONE still believe anyone can catch Mercedes? This is Formula Mercedes and all others are just pawns to fill the grid

And they have declared that they have no intention to leave F1 anytime soon.

[doublesixes]

Arguably having the third car on the grid isn’t what Ferrari is in Formula One for. What a monumental disappointment. On the bright side, Seb’s despicable performance gave Leclerc a pitiful podium.

[nani_s23]

That was ******* epic from Charles. What a drive. :clap

Hamilton 1:27.369 on the last lap....:lol

For me the move on Gas was like an epic. You need to have strong feeling with the car at that place.
He has done that. This kid is super talent, give him a strong car he will do the job.

[tifosi1993]

And Charles is DOTD. :clap

[Cavallino]

Well we still have Spa and Monza to give Charles his first win.

[hakanabi]

Hamilton FL at the last lap on old tyres... does ANYONE still believe anyone can catch Mercedes? This is Formula Mercedes and all others are just pawns to fill the grid

They are playing with everyone for years. That merc engine is alien technology.

[Cavallino]

They are playing with everyone for years. That merc engine is alien technology.

but they aren't winning with the engine this year...

[nani_s23]

but they aren't winning with the engine this year...

They are winning with tyres.

[nani_s23]

Gasly finished ahead Max ???

[Kingdom Hearts]

Great job Leclerc, loved his fight with Max.

[Ferrarichamp]

Gasly finished ahead Max ???

yep, I don't think many saw that coming.

[nani_s23]

Lec vs max battle, Max gained time by going off the track & rejoin??

[nani_s23]

yep, I don't think many saw that coming.

I think gasly got max chassis & spec of his for this race. He was right there with max throughout the weekend.

[bonzo]

i've been saying that since teh beginning of 2019......something swithced OFF in his head ever since he lost the race in Germany 2018.....he's NOT THE SAME EVER SINCE

spot on, absolutely right, unfortunately...

[chinmay]

Vettel involved in crash without his own mistake or not - he is always at the receiving end. Poor guy can't catch a break.

[TonyRizza]

vettel will announce his retirement at the italian gp

[TonyRizza]

Vettel involved in crash without his own mistake or not - he is always at the receiving end. Poor guy can't catch a break.

yeah poor vettel, cant handle the pressure and ruins another drivers race.... poor vettel, cant catch a break

[chinmay]

vettel will announce his retirement at the italian gp

and Ferrari will stop him from retiring.

[Noquarter]

Why does Vettel take so much money? 40M.

[chinmay]

yeah poor vettel, cant handle the pressure and ruins another drivers race.... poor vettel, cant catch a break

What goes around comes around, Max deserved it.

[nani_s23]

It’s better for vettel, before he looses more reputation just need to call it off.
Give Ocon a race seat at ferrari for 1yr.

[chinmay]

Why does Vettel take so much money? 40M.

Because 99% other drivers fail to achieve what Vettel achieved - 4 titles.

[hakanabi]

but they aren't winning with the engine this year...

Like I said, they are playing with field. They simply turned up the engine enough to give them p1. They check the lap times of Ferrari, Redbull and simply up the engine just enough to get the pole. They have been doing it year after year.

[Noquarter]

and Ferrari will stop him from retiring.

Ferrari will show mercy. Same as for Massa and Kimi

[Rishu]

Why does Vettel take so much money? 40M.

And how much Leclerc makes?

[nani_s23]

And how much Leclerc makes?

Lec just needs a ferrari car, not money in the pocket for now.
So that he can show to the world he’s there for a reason. This will make his CV more weight when he’s in hot list.

[TonyRizza]

What goes around comes around, Max deserved it.

you're the worst kind of sports fan

[bonzo]

And how much Leclerc makes?

5M - 2M 2019 and 3M 2020

[bonzo]

https://www.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOne/leclerc-signs-5-million-ferrari-contract-20180702

[Rishu]

5M

Clearly he has shown he’s worth a lot more. He’s a beast, done to Max what others couldn’t

[PURE PASSION]

Like I said, they are playing with field. They simply turned up the engine enough to give them p1. They check the lap times of Ferrari, Redbull and simply up the engine just enough to get the pole. They have been doing it year after year.

Its NOT like this at all!!!!!!
Why they turn down the engine in a race or in a qualy session, AND then came and destroy everybody in the next race ?????!!!!!
IF they just want to make it interest, why they just turn down the engine in the whole year?????

[PURE PASSION]

Clearly he has shown he’s worth a lot more. He’s a beast, done to Max what others couldn’t

And ,unfortunately, with a slower car !!!!
I'm just can imagine what will he do when we finally have a championship winning car ??!!!

[Ferrarichamp]

next race Germany. Should we expect anything different there?

[nani_s23]

next race Germany. Should we expect anything different there?

Yes Lec win & max vs Lec battle.

[bonzo]

And ,unfortunately, with a slower car !!!!
I'm just can imagine what will he do when we finally have a championship winning car ??!!!

We did have it - during the winter tests:lol

[chinmay]

next race Germany. Should we expect anything different there?

You can expect Vettel on pole.

[bonzo]

You can expect Vettel on pole.

wishful thinking

[Tifoso Svedese]

you're the worst kind of sports fan

Had Max held one stable line rather than moving under braking, he'd improved his odds of not getting hit a bunch. Anyone who's even driven a sim game will tell you that the most confusing part is when someone starts to move uncontrollably in the braking zones. Max should look himself in the mirror and realise that he could've done a lot better not to trigger an error-prone driver in his mirrors to go into crash mode.

Obviously, it's on Vettel, just like it would've been on Hammy had they crashed in Canada since he was behind, but no-one could tell me that Max didn't act clumsy while trying to decide on a line for that corner. It was just like a recipy for disaster.

[Tifoso Svedese]

It’s better for vettel, before he looses more reputation just need to call it off.
Give Ocon a race seat at ferrari for 1yr.

:-E

I'm sure Kimi would gladly volunteer. That being said, I still don't believe Vettel is going to leave his massive contract one year in advance.

[nani_s23]

:-E

No other drivers available, all are contracted to their teams

[alfaromeo]

Sorry guys but I think that Red Bull is now better car. Ferrari with this people’s and team can’t beat Mercedes.

[TonyRizza]

Had Max held one stable line rather than moving under braking, he'd improved his odds of not getting hit a bunch. Anyone who's even driven a sim game will tell you that the most confusing part is when someone starts to move uncontrollably in the braking zones. Max should look himself in the mirror and realise that he could've done a lot better not to trigger an error-prone driver in his mirrors to go into crash mode.

Obviously, it's on Vettel, just like it would've been on Hammy had they crashed in Canada since he was behind, but no-one could tell me that Max didn't act clumsy while trying to decide on a line for that corner. It was just like a recipy for disaster.

watch the onboard, max did nothing wrong

[Tifoso Svedese]

No other drivers available, all are contracted to their teams

F1 doesn't work like that. Would Ferrari decide to get Ricciardo, there's always a price of a few million to be paid out and a deal done. With Vettel retiring away from his massive deal, then that's a huge amount of money that even could be spent trying to buy Verstappen out with Philip Morris' and Fiat's cash.

Getting Kimi would be even easier since he's a satellite-team driver and basically drives for free now.

[chinmay]

watch the onboard, max did nothing wrong

Sky watched the replay multiple times and are refusing to blame Vettel alone and calling it a racing incident.

[Tifoso Svedese]

watch the onboard, max did nothing wrong

Nothing to warrant a penalty, he just penalised himself by going from left to right in the final stages of braking. He'll probably learn from it.

[chinmay]

Sorry guys but I think that Red Bull is now better car. Ferrari with this people’s and team can’t beat Mercedes.

Of course Red Bull is the better car, Verstappen and Gasly with Medium tyres were always in touch with Charles and Seb in the first stint.

[paolo lalli]

Max is a dummy and seb should have been smarter .Max is no where near Charles in class performance and personal style max is just max.

[chinmay]

wishful thinking

Who expected Vettel to be on pole last year as well? And yet he was.

[TonyRizza]

Sky watched the replay multiple times and are refusing to blame Vettel alone and calling it a racing incident.

they dont want to "rip him apart" is what they said, so they know he is to blame....

[chinmay]

Max is a dummy and seb should have been smarter .Max is no where near Charles in class performance and personal style max is just max.

Yes, 3rd place was there for taking but Seb wanted 2nd and in the end didn't get either.

[PURE PASSION]

I wonder,is Mr Binnoto gonna say again that we make progress??? Because finishing MILES behind Merc and being cleary a lot slower then RBR also,well to me this doesn't look like progress!!!

[Kingdom Hearts]

and Ferrari will stop him from retiring.


Ferrari doesn't have the car to win, probably won't have it in years, they don't need Vettel, they don't need to pay him 40m even if Ferrari is rich. Get a solid driver and let Leclerc grow as the team leader. Vettel days are almost over, doesn't matter if he retires or not, when his contract is over in 2020, he is done with Ferrari.

[TonyRizza]

lando or max in 2020 please

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, Hockenheim is a layout that suits the car a lot better, it's actually quite similar to Austria - so in theory I wouldn't rule a Charles pole out there. Having said that - Formula DRS is what it is on Sundays regardless, so that wouldn't last long at this rate.

[nani_s23]

watch the onboard, max did nothing wrong

There’s a mistake from him, not major one but a minor.
He moved inside the line at last moment which is at heavy braking zone. Seb was looking to go inside, then took adverse action to the right side n locked his wheels.

[TonyRizza]

There’s a mistake from him, not major one but a minor.
He moved inside the line at last moment which is at heavy braking zone. Seb was looking to go inside, then took adverse action to the right side n locked his wheels.

which is what max or any other driver would always do, its no mistake from him

[Louisa Fortuna]

why isn't Seb retiring and saving engine??? oh wait, as DEAD EYES has been saying he's testing parts for Ferrari for next year.....what a bone head that troll is

:lol:lol:rotfl

[nani_s23]

which is what max or any other driver would always do, its no mistake from him

He left no space inside the line. As per the rules a driver need to leave the space or enough width when there’s on track battle.

[TonyRizza]

He left no space inside the line. As per the rules a driver need to leave the space or enough width when there’s on track battle.

yeah he needs to leave space if the driver is along side, vettel was behind...

there was plenty on the outside

[Arcana]

Yes, 3rd place was there for taking but Seb wanted 2nd and in the end didn't get either.

I don't understand. How could he got 2nd ? Merc were lightning fast on that hard tire.

[TonyRizza]

I don't understand. How could he got 2nd ? Merc were lightning fast on that hard tire.

he's a delusional vettel fan, dont expect any sense

[chinmay]

I don't understand. How could he got 2nd ? Merc were lightning fast on that hard tire.

Yeah I missed that, Bottas wouldn't have pitted if not for that incident.

[nani_s23]

yeah he needs to leave space if the driver is along side, vettel was behind...

Nope, when vettel was trying for inside line. Max made movement to inside which is fine no problem but at that moment itself there was no space n vettel went for right side. Max again moved to cover vettel.

[evo_spook]

I don't understand. How could he got 2nd ? Merc were lightning fast on that hard tire.

Cause Seb was on hard and used two different tyre types and Bottas had to pit again.
Bottas would have had to overtake Seb on track at the end (and Max)

[evo_spook]

Yeah I missed that, Bottas wouldn't have pitted if not for that incident.

Nope, he still had to, he used Medium/Medium, even if the tyres had being perfect he’d still had to stop.

[nani_s23]

I don't understand. How could he got 2nd ? Merc were lightning fast on that hard tire.

Vettel was in the range of 9-10 sec bottas, where bottas need to make another pit stop for softs.

[nani_s23]

Cause Seb was on hard and used two different tyre types and Bottas had to pit again.
Bottas would have had to overtake Seb on track at the end (and Max)


Yup this is what.

[TonyRizza]

Yup this is what.

considering vettel was 20s behind and losing time every lap, bottas would have come out ahead

[paolo lalli]

Unfortunately f1 now is tyre related a moderate engine is sufficient. Tires and down force this is the package mercedes are in a league of there own they magically get there tires heated and rubbered in that is the stand out feature of the mercedes.Ferrari have a great engine but it's not enough in this era of formula one. lots of home work needed to be done by Ferrari I see nothing wrong with using one of the Ferrari cars as a test mule during races in a way it's clever and results can go towards next year's car.we have nothing to lose this year the wrong development path was chosen for this year's car a total Ferrari blunder no excuses and it was never ever going to be an easy fix. Next year's car is already well advanced and this car will be sebs last roll of the dice expect Charles to be even faster.

[Arcana]

Vettel was in the range of 9-10 sec bottas, where bottas need to make another pit stop for softs.

Oh I see, thanks. But it wouldn't have worked anyways considering the Merc race pace on those hard tires.

[bonzo]

No other drivers available, all are contracted to their teams

Fernando:lol

[Kyss4k]

Unfortunately f1 now is tyre related a moderate engine is sufficient. Tires and down force this is the package mercedes are in a league of there own they magically get there tires heated and rubbered in that is the stand out feature of the mercedes.Ferrari have a great engine but it's not enough in this era of formula one. lots of home work needed to be done by Ferrari I see nothing wrong with using one of the Ferrari cars as a test mule during races in a way it's clever and results can go towards next year's car.we have nothing to lose this year the wrong development path was chosen for this year's car a total Ferrari blunder no excuses and it was never ever going to be an easy fix. Next year's car is already well advanced and this car will be sebs last roll of the dice expect Charles to be even faster.

It's our own fault. When F1 was all about engine (2014) we went for reliability instead of power, messed it up and were miles behind. Now, when we managed to catch them after 5 years, we ignored aero, ignored the tyres (remember letting Pirelli do what they want without using our veto? And it continues with us not being bothered with testing the new low profile tyres after we were asked to do so...). We are the makers of our failure. The only other full factory team to Mercedes, the only other team with the budget and... we fail again and again.

[evo_spook]

considering vettel was 20s behind and losing time every lap, bottas would have come out ahead

He wasn’t 20 seconds behind?

[TonyRizza]

He wasn’t 20 seconds behind?

your right i got that wrong

[Kyss4k]

Wow! Watching the after-race on Sky... Lewis doing crowdsurfing, celebrating with fans on the finish straight, taking pictures... behind all that anger I feel for him for driving for our competitors... damn he seems like a great guy! Cool

[Dead Eyes]

why isn't Seb retiring and saving engine??? oh wait, as DEAD EYES has been saying he's testing parts for Ferrari for next year.....what a bone head that troll is

Seb never gives up on race day.

Race day is where he races. Practice is where he tests parts for us to help development. No need to get personal.

[wisepie]

Apart from Charles and his incredible driving, this was another embarrassing performance from Ferrari, compounded by Seb's brain-fade moment with Max. It seems we didn't have enough grunt from our 'powerful' engine to pass the Honda-engined RBs, I wonder whether it's because we've had to add more downforce to try and help our wayward front end, thereby losing some top speed. The pit stop lost it for Charles v Max but Charles fought back and the SC again played into HAM's hands, his luck is never-ending. Charles also lost out in the SC period, so the end result was a more than justified P3 for him and a penalty and the naughty step for Seb. He will be getting it from all quarters and something has to change or he needs to get out, for his sake and ours, sadly.:-E

[Ferrarichamp]

yeah the SC did help Lewis. He did struggle a bit vs Bottas this weekend. Was anyone else surprised by that?

[TonyRizza]

yeah the SC did help Lewis. He did struggle a bit vs Bottas this weekend. Was anyone else surprised by that?
He was clearly faster tho?

[evo_spook]

He was clearly faster tho?

I heard a report that he set up his car for the race and not qualifying

[nani_s23]

He was clearly faster tho?

Still not able to beat him fair & square?

[KimiBot]

yeah the SC did help Lewis. He did struggle a bit vs Bottas this weekend. Was anyone else surprised by that?

no, equal cars, it`s almost impossible to overtake these days, we have seen that so many times, like Seb and Charles in many races this year

[Ferrarichamp]

no, equal cars, it`s almost impossible to overtake these days, we have seen that so many times, like Seb and Charles in many races this year

when I say the weekend I mean qualifying too, not just the race.

[KimiBot]

that who wins the start usually wins the race, t has been so many years now, must be over 95%

[KimiBot]

when I say the weekend I mean qualifying too, not just the race.

it has been tight in quali this year between those 2, bottas leads 4-3 (poles) in quali

[Ferrarichamp]

it has been tight in quali this year between those 2, bottas leads 4-3 in quali

yes, but in Silverstone Lewis is usually very good.

[KimiBot]

yes, but in Silverstone Lewis is usually very good.

yes, but I do believe that bottas thinks he is still fighting about wdc, so it is not like he has give up the fight yet, but that luck what lewis has, bottas has not a chance

[Ed Harley]

Hamilton is as a driver on another level than Bottas.

[stefa]

On another note Novak Djokovic brought smile on my face :-D

[chinmay]

So Cricket World Cup final takes the cake.

1) Cricket World Cup Final
2) Wimbledon Final
3) F1 Race

[Cmoney]

Maybe there has been discussion (haven´t just seen) about when Max passed Vettel on the outside to Stowe corner, he couldn´t keep his car on track going wide there. Therefore I don´t see it too unfair that he got penalized some positions with that Vettels mistake. And I´m not any drivers fan, just the sport.

[racingbradley]

So Cricket World Cup final takes the cake.

1) Cricket World Cup Final
2) Wimbledon Final
3) F1 Race
My favourite sports with exception of cricket.
4) Tour de France
5) Don't forget Formula E with drivers who have driven or worked for Ferrari in the simulator.
Felipe Massa, Pascal Wehrlein Jean Eric Vergne and Sam Bird.
It begins shortly Good luck to all. :-)

[Greig]

Charles is awesome...and he had a LOT of suppport for his drive today....Seb less so haha.

Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk

[Rob]

My favourite sports with exception of cricket.
4) Tour de France
5) Don't forget Formula E with drivers who have driven or worked for Ferrari in the simulator.
Felipe Massa, Pascal Wehrlein Jean Eric Vergne and Sam Bird.
It begins shortly Good luck to all. :-)


There maybe another ferrari driver on the grid next year in formula e, cannt say more yet. ;-)

[F2008]

Absolutely loved the way Charles drove today. Great to watch.

Vettel is on a bad run at the moment, I hope he can turn things around in his home race. I think he should stay at Ferrari, unless they are able to bring Alonso back.

[Rookie]

Did anyone notice the safety car that gave Hamilton the lead was a bit on the dubious side? The timing was too perfect for him and the situation did not warrant a safety car?

[impactX]

No, it is just you.

They had to have SC or VSC for the situation.

[Louisa Fortuna]

Apart from Charles and his incredible driving, this was another embarrassing performance from Ferrari, compounded by Seb's brain-fade moment with Max. It seems we didn't have enough grunt from our 'powerful' engine to pass the Honda-engined RBs, I wonder whether it's because we've had to add more downforce to try and help our wayward front end, thereby losing some top speed. The pit stop lost it for Charles v Max but Charles fought back and the SC again played into HAM's hands, his luck is never-ending. Charles also lost out in the SC period, so the end result was a more than justified P3 for him and a penalty and the naughty step for Seb. He will be getting it from all quarters and something has to change or he needs to get out, for his sake and ours, sadly.:-E

Honda ain't sitting still mate, in Hungary RBR-Honda will have another engine upgrade..

[Louisa Fortuna]

Did anyone notice the safety car that gave Hamilton the lead was a bit on the dubious side? The timing was too perfect for him and the situation did not warrant a safety car?

So what should have been done according to you if i may ask ?

[Louisa Fortuna]

Absolutely loved the way Charles drove today. Great to watch.

Vettel is on a bad run at the moment, I hope he can turn things around in his home race. I think he should stay at Ferrari, unless they are able to bring Alonso back.

Leclerc racing was EPIC, put a smile on my face :) The last thing our team needs is Alonso, he is the past now. How do you think Alonso would handle a fast Leclerc ? Leclerc ain't no Massa mate.

[Ferrarichamp]

Germany and Hungary, 2 more chances to take a win before the break. Can we do it?

[stefa]

Germany and Hungary, 2 more chances to take a win before the break. Can we do it?

If I may choose, let it be Hungary as I am going there :-D
Even better let's win both! :thumb

[Ferrarichamp]

I hope you get to see a win in Hungary Stefa :-)

[Stormsearcher]

One of the more exciting races of the season. The first 25 laps were brilliant.
Charles is the only beacon of light in the ferrari garage. What a drive!! Wheel to wheel with max and then gasly and no crashes. The same cant be said about our most illustrious and overpaid driver, but people have bashed him enough. i dont want to start now.
Charles driving was so impressive, he made it very clear he is the future for ferrari. And that rivalry with Max is going to be epic to watch. He has shown that no matter how much pressure is put on him, he can handle it, and still be a fair racer on the track. Hats off to this kid!!
Cant wait to see more of him in better cars.

[Stormsearcher]

Yes Lec win & max vs Lec battle.

i hope it plays out like that. Their racing is bloody exciting to watch and we want Lec to win. :-D

[Stormsearcher]

you're the worst kind of sports fan

+1 on this. What kind of a statement is that?

[Rob]

British Grand Prix - Charles a great third, a shame for Seb

Silverstone, 14 July 2019 – It was not an easy day for Scuderia Ferrari at the British Grand Prix. Charles Leclerc took the team’s ninth podium of the season at Silverstone but Sebastian Vettel finished outside the points, after he collided with Max Verstappen on lap 37.

Charles and Max. When the five red lights went out, Charles kept his third place, while Sebastian immediately passed Pierre Gasly to move up one. Then Max Verstappen closed on Charles and a exciting duel ensued over ten laps, as the two men passed and re-passed each other. The battle even continued to rage after both men made their first pit stops on lap 13. Verstappen actually managed to come out of pit lane very slightly ahead of Leclerc, but the Monegasque didn’t give up and a few corners later, he got in front again, which had the crowd on their feet.

Safety Car period. On lap 20, Antonio Giovinazzi went off track and the race director invoked the Virtual Safety Car. Sebastian Vettel made the most of this, pitting to go from Soft to Hard tyres, rejoining in third place. On the same lap, Verstappen made a second stop, which meant the Scuderia had to react, immediately calling in Charles again to switch him from the Mediums to the Hard. In the meantime, the real Safety Car had come out and the field closed up. Leclerc therefore found himself on the tail of Verstappen and Gasly in the Red Bulls. These two soon swapped places so that Charles was now following the Frenchman, whom he passed on lap 35 on the outside of the Loop corner.

Sebastian. Ahead of Charles, Verstappen had meanwhile closed on Sebastian. On lap 37, the Dutchman attacked the German down the Hangar Straight and went past. Vettel tried to respond at the next braking point, but the move went wrong and he ran into the back of the Red Bull. Verstappen managed to keep going, losing a few seconds, but Sebastian had to pit to change the front wing. The German was deemed to have caused the collision and given a 10 second penalty, added to his final race time, which dropped him to sixteenth.

Podium. The incident between Vettel and Verstappen promoted Charles to third place behind Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas. The Monegasque was voted “Driver of the Day” after taking his fifth podium of the season, the fourth in a row, after finishing third in Canada and France and second in Austria.

Next race. The Formula 1 World Championship is back in action in a fortnight’s time with the German Grand Prix at Hockenheim.

Charles Leclerc #16
“It was a good day for me. This was by far the most fun race of my Formula 1 career to date. From inside the cockpit, the duel with Max was really enjoyable and I reckon those watching it at home or at the track also thought it was a good show.
In a way, I have to say that what happened in Austria allowed me to understand how aggressive I can be in the race and I didn’t hold back. It was also a good fight with Pierre: to overtake him I had to be daring because he was very quick down the straights.
From a technical point of view, I think we need to further improve our race pace and how we manage the tyres, because today we struggled a bit.”

Sebastian Vettel #5
“Regarding the incident with Max, it was my mistake and I spoke to him afterwards and apologized. I had thought a gap would open up on the inside but it didn’t and it looked for a second as if he was pulling into the middle but he stayed left, but by that time it was already too late, I was too close and I couldn’t avoid the crash. Ferrari and Red Bull have been very closely matched in the last few races and I think it would have been difficult to fight Max off anyway.
Apart from that, our race pace was really good, and the initial laps went well and I benefited from the Safety Car to get ahead of three cars. I don’t think we could have won today, but I’m not happy that I didn’t even score any points.”

Mattia Binotto Team Principal
“It was definitely a difficult race, when compared to yesterday’s qualifying. Once again today, tyre wear compromised our pace, limiting our performance. It clearly demonstrates we still have work to do to close the gap when we are racing in specific circumstances.
Charles drove a strong race and showed once again how good he is in a wheel to wheel situation.
It was a shame that Seb’s good showing in the race was spoilt by a mistake when fighting Verstappen.
The Safety Car made Charles’ race more difficult: stopping first was not really an option as it would have put Charles behind his rivals. All we could do therefore was react when Verstappen pitted. In the end, Charles had to attack the Red Bull again on track, which he succeeded in doing to take a well deserved podium.”

[Rob]

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[Rob]

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[Ferrarichamp]

Surely Charles will take a win this year, he's too good not to.

[Rob]

sharing this as its lovely touch for Frank Williams. And no matter what Lewis comes across like, here he seems humble and "normal"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CmHqeKWNsk

[paolo lalli]

Thank God for an epic Wimbledon mens final and an equally riveting cricket match the English f1 never came close to that level.No wonder Lewis was annoyed all the focus was not on him with so much other activity on in England I guess Lewis you will have to settle for third this time.

[TonyRizza]

germany we have a decent chance of being fast, only thing that worries me is the final sector and the hairpin. rest "should" be good for us.... but who knows how this car works anymore lol
hungary unfortunately i think we will be pretty slow here as its basically a street circuit type track, low overtaking potential. High downforce and a good front end needed (both which we lack)

[evo_spook]

Thank God for an epic Wimbledon mens final and an equally riveting cricket match the English f1 never came close to that level.No wonder Lewis was annoyed all the focus was not on him with so much other activity on in England I guess Lewis you will have to settle for third this time.

It is sad you are so fixated hating on Lewis that you can't just enjoy a good race.

[TonyRizza]

It is sad you are so fixated hating on Lewis that you can't just enjoy a good race.

true, race was one of the best ive watched in years. Just ignore position 1 and 2 for the rest of the year and you will enjoy the season :D

[evo_spook]

true, race was one of the best ive watched in years. Just ignore position 1 and 2 for the rest of the year and you will enjoy the season :D

Even the race for 1 and 2 was good until it was stopped by the safety car. It would have being good to see what the different tyre choices would have made without a free safety car pitstop.

[evo_spook]

Thank God for an epic Wimbledon mens final and an equally riveting cricket match the English f1 never came close to that level.No wonder Lewis was annoyed all the focus was not on him with so much other activity on in England I guess Lewis you will have to settle for third this time.

he looks really annoyed and upset here

https://i.imgur.com/Dqwj3qM.jpg

[Louisa Fortuna]

Germany and Hungary, 2 more chances to take a win before the break. Can we do it?

Let's hope it :)

[vcs316]

If I may choose, let it be Hungary as I am going there :-D
Even better let's win both! :thumb

I really hope so. I want to believe that we should be on par with Mercedes after the summer break. Let's hope the team would have solved our car issues by then.

[nani_s23]

i hope it plays out like that. Their racing is bloody exciting to watch and we want Lec to win. :-D

He will give max taste of his own medicine. For sure.
It was just missed in British GP. But coming races, Lec will show more to max.

[TonyRizza]

worrying thing is how slow the car is, i expect redbull to get #2 in wcc

and the same stupid strategy mistakes.... again...and again...

[tifosi1993]

I really hope Binotto has a plan for SF90 before Hungary, Ferrari must introduce working upgrades at the German GP to improve SF90's mechanical grip.

Otherwise at Hungary, our closest competitors are going to be Mclaren and Renault, not Mercedes or Red Bull.

[Louisa Fortuna]

sharing this as its lovely touch for Frank Williams. And no matter what Lewis comes across like, here he seems humble and "normal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CmHqeKWNsk

Lovely mate, it put a smile on my face ;-) Clair Williams trying to convince Lewis to join Williams :lol:lol

[Louisa Fortuna]

Did anybody heard what Eddy Jordan said about 2020 driver line up ? That Max and Vettel will driver for Mercedes and Lewis and Charles for Ferrari, what do you guys think about it ? Eddy Jorden has been right in several occasions but also wrong at others, i am pretty curious though.

[evo_spook]

Did anybody heard what Eddy Jordan said about 2020 driver line up ? That Max and Vettel will driver for Mercedes and Lewis and Charles for Ferrari, what do you guys think about it ? Eddy Jorden has been right in several occasions but also wrong at others, i am pretty curious though.

It doesn’t really add up for me. Why would Lewis leave Merc for a under performing Ferrari, but if in 2020 Ferrari have a great car to tempt Lewis why would Vettel leave?

[Louisa Fortuna]

It doesn’t really add up for me. Why would Lewis leave Merc for a under performing Ferrari, but if in 2020 Ferrari have a great car to tempt Lewis why would Vettel leave?

Everybody said the same in 2012 when Lewis signed for Mercedes mate. Nobody understood why he would leave McLaren for Mercedes who just one lucky win and got lapped many times in many races. I think it's time for some fresh blood in our team..

[Greig]

Lewis has his eyes on beating MS record, he won't leave Merc while they remain on top.

[stefa]

Lewis has his eyes on beating MS record, he won't leave Merc while they remain on top.

Unfortunately

[TonyRizza]

Did anybody heard what Eddy Jordan said about 2020 driver line up ? That Max and Vettel will driver for Mercedes and Lewis and Charles for Ferrari, what do you guys think about it ? Eddy Jorden has been right in several occasions but also wrong at others, i am pretty curious though.

total nonsense imo

[PURE PASSION]

I have to say that while I was happy with Binotto taking charge of the team, now I'm quite disappointed with how he run things!!!
To have so many problems from the 1st race ,and while he was saying from launch that we will concentrate on 8n season development, we have introduce a cut in the engine cover and a cut in the front wing end plates!!!Aahh and dont forget a bottom that doesn't work!!!
This is SO SO disappointed!!!!
He made us look as a midfield team if not worse!!!
Even William's brings a lot more updates.
Unfortunately as teams runs this year, I actually have any hope left!!! The head of the team looks SO little ,with NO vision, NO power actually NO idea how to lead the team on the top !!!!!

[Brembo]

The 1st. 2nd. place fight was hardly shown during the whole race . It's probably going to continue the rest of the season. where the race is for 3rd. place or just making it to the podium.. with a lucky shot at 2 nd place. The race was great to watch ! R Bull & Ferrari going at it was plenty for the fans of either team! I still can't get over how that R Bull was up in the air , landed and still was able to race ! Anyway, Charles was the best of the race and deserved that podium spot for sure! Lets be fair about it, :rotfl It was the car not Lewis that won! :rotfl I'm desperate to fit in here !!!! Oh and he looked and acted so down and sad after the race!!:rotfl There, that should do it!!

[paolo lalli]

The rest of the year will be Ferrari vs red bull pretend that mercedes do not exist.Any thing above this for either Ferrari or red bull will be pure bonus.How Ferrari got it so wrong just astounds me it defies belief that an organisation of that magnitude has been such a disappointment I am sure all Ferrari fans feel the same .

[Ferrarichamp]

The rest of the year will be Ferrari vs red bull pretend that mercedes do not exist.Any thing above this for either Ferrari or red bull will be pure bonus.How Ferrari got it so wrong just astounds me it defies belief that an organisation of that magnitude has been such a disappointment I am sure all Ferrari fans feel the same .

I'm fairly confident Charles will win a race this year, and wouldn't be surprised if Max got a second win. I don't see Mercs winning all remaining races.

[Arcana]

I'm fairly confident Charles will win a race this year, and wouldn't be surprised if Max got a second win. I don't see Mercs winning all remaining races.

It all depends on track temperatures. If all the remaining races will be cooler than usual then Merc will obliterate the field. The showdown for 3rd place in the championship will be between Max and Charles and I can't wait to see it happen. So far Charles is the only driver that schooled Max big time but I fear that the Bulls overtook us in development. They were clearly faster than us in Silverstone in race trim and only Charles' great defending skills slowed down Max in the first stint, otherwise he would have been a lot closer to Mercs. Not that it would have changed the 1-2 Merc end result though... once they put the hard tire in the last stint in cooler conditions any chance to catch them was zero.

[vcs316]

Lewis has his eyes on beating MS record, he won't leave Merc while they remain on top.

I really pray MS's record remains unbeaten.

[FerrariF60]

I really pray MS's record remains unbeaten.

tell that to Ferrari to build a faster car.....cause WE got the driver to do it....and NO, it is NOT Vettel i'm afraid....IT IS CHARLES.....

[Rishu]

I’m 90% certain Hamilton will be 6 times Champion by the end of this year and probably 85-86 wins under his belt. I hope I’m wrong

[stefa]

I really pray MS's record remains unbeaten.

:thumb:clap

[stefa]

I’m 90% certain Hamilton will be 6 times Champion by the end of this year and probably 85-86 wins under his belt. I hope I’m wrong

I don't see what can stop him.....

[FerrariF60]

Z
I don't see what can stop him.....

Sadly nothing ATM, ferrari can’t build a champiuwinning car if their life depended on it, Vet can’t drive worth $&#%, he thinks he’s diving bumper cars and poor Charles is getting shafted with all the poor strategies so they can make their #1 driver look good......enough is enough, they should just let Charles race, bring in the results and make Vet look bad, because frankly he’s lost his Mojo long time ago

Let both drivers have equal status and whoever qualifies on pole and is in front has priority over strategy

[SilverSpeed]

Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

[wisepie]

HAM has had the best car for the past 5 seasons and with his 6th WDC looming, everyone knows it would have been different IF any other team had provided their drivers with a first-rate car. We must accept that the SF90 is a relative failure and the fact that Mercedes and to a lesser extent Red Bull are able to manage the current tyres better than Ferrari proves the point, although Merc have definitely been the biggest benefactors of this year's tyres and Pirelli and the FIA appear to have gone along with Mercedes and let it happen. Red Bull are now better than us in race trim and even with Charles on board, you can't expect him to beat a rampant Max when his tyres are shot. We will be lucky to win a race this year without a miracle. As for Eddie Jordan's comments, I'm inclined to think that his crystal ball is steamed up, as I will be if HAM ever gets into a Ferrari.:-E

[ferrari1.8t]

Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

https://f1i.com/news/341422-marko-second-class-f2-driver-showed-just-how-good-mercedes-is.html

Its already been proven, an F2 driver stepped in Hamilton's car and posted the fastest time without issue. A 12 year old that plays F1 on Xbox could win a championship with that Merc.

[stefa]

Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

Amen to that!!! Well said!!! :thumb

[evo_spook]

Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

Sure :lol

Max loved Ferrari and they had custom Bridgestone tyres....

[Greig]

And others had custom Michelins.....

[Arcana]

Lewis has that 6th WDC in the bag already. We'll see how it goes next year but by the looks of it, I'm quite pessimistic for 2020 too.

Also my gut feeling is that Lewis will never join Ferrari, he will retire at Merc in 2 - 4 years from now.

[stefa]

Lewis has that 6th WDC in the bag already. We'll see how it goes next year but by the looks of it, I'm quite pessimistic for 2020 too.

Also my gut feeling is that Lewis will never join Ferrari, he will retire at Merc in 2 - 4 years from now.

It is not that Ferrari needs him, Ferrari needs to build better car, and than CL or any other can drive it to WDC and CWC.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari have more focus on there road cars than the sf 90 .The rd cars make them multi millions whilst the f1 division costs them multi millions and for many years now with only average to poor results one should ask why even bother it must be of a tax benefit.

[Brembo]

Very true. Just think about every Merc car leaving the factory to a showroom around the world wearing Pirelli's ! How can they not bend over for F-1 team Merc. Ferrari needs Todt to put a stop to the preferred treatment being given to Merc! After all he is the former " Ferrari Legend " to many fans here. Also while the FIA is at it, they should be investigating how Merc put out a top car that can drive itself! :rotfl

[Warp]

I'm struggling to understand this year's car. Redbull seems bloody fast in race trim, meanwhile we're ok with single lap performance.

Redbull outdeveloped us again ?
Our new updates are not working ?
Our race pace is bad because of the tyres?

[Brembo]

The opinion here seems to be first and foremost ; the tires, both bad choice and bad tires as far as holding up. Red Bull came out swinging , no fear of changing anything they felt would help and it did. As far as updates I have to think for ex. Seb has to be clear as to what he wants and needs and come practice and between races give the team hell if they didn't get it right! Lewis is relentless as far as complaining how his caris set up and look at the results. I can't believe Ferraris crew hasn't the know how to listen and get the car right. Then again driver's mistakes race time are on him not the team boys in the garage.

[evo_spook]

And others had custom Michelins.....

We both know the Bridgestones were exclusively developed around Ferrari to the detrement of the other teams running them, this led to McLaren leaving Bridgestone, something we both know the Michelins never did.

[Ferrarichamp]

We both know the Bridgestones were exclusively developed around Ferrari to the detrement of the other teams running them, this led to McLaren leaving Bridgestone, something we both know the Michelins never did.

and Michelins were exclusively developed around Renault when they were winning?

[evo_spook]

and Michelins were exclusively developed around Renault when they were winning?

You got any media stories to back that up, as I assure you there is ones for bridgestone.

In 2005 they was competing against McLaren, another Michelin runner, I'm sure we'd have heard the complaints.

[Ferrarichamp]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/the-renault-and-michelin-partnership/237252/

[Cevertmyhero]

Will Hamilton's amazing luck EVER end?
Never known any driver to have such luck.

[Arcana]

It is not that Ferrari needs him, Ferrari needs to build better car, and than CL or any other can drive it to WDC and CWC.

Yup. Ferrari don't need him and he doesn't need to come to Ferrari. We have Charles that is doing great, we just need a competitive car.

[Arcana]

Will Hamilton's amazing luck EVER end?
Never known any driver to have such luck.

Usually when you are in front luck seems to go your way, or at least it's a lot more easier to control the race when you have such a massive advantage compared to the rest of your competitors. I remember when Bottas pitted for mediums Lewis in clean air was putting better lap times than Bottas on fresh mediums so even without a safety car he would still have emerged in front after the pitstop(s).

[Ferrarichamp]

I guess you could also argue Bottas had a bit of luck with the spark plug issue, that it occurred in FP rather than in qualy or the race.

[Brembo]

F-1 Indy USA, Michelin tires caused Ralph to hit the wall @ turn 13 . The sidewalls gave out . Only 8 cars continued to race after that. Ralph came out O K but for awhile he wasn't moving and everyone was scared he was not O K. Now there should be at least two tire companies in F-1. Pirelli can continue to favor Merc and all other teams can go else where.

[Greig]

We both know the Bridgestones were exclusively developed around Ferrari to the detrement of the other teams running them, this led to McLaren leaving Bridgestone, something we both know the Michelins never did.

And Williams had the Michelin's designed for them and Williams even helped McLaren develop their suspension when they changed so don't pretend it was just Ferrari who has tyres made for them....Williams said they would never help McLaren again after they took JPM iirc.

[JPZ]

And Williams had the Michelin's designed for them and Williams even helped McLaren develop their suspension when they changed so don't pretend it was just Ferrari who has tyres made for them....Williams said they would never help McLaren again after they took JPM iirc.

Was there any reason Williams helped McLaren?

[evo_spook]

And Williams had the Michelin's designed for them and Williams even helped McLaren develop their suspension when they changed so don't pretend it was just Ferrari who has tyres made for them....Williams said they would never help McLaren again after they took JPM iirc.

Never heard it said, that Williams had the Michelin’s designed for them or that they designed McLaren suspension.

Well, some are under a strange impression, eg:


Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

:Hmm

[Greig]

Never heard it said, that Williams had the Michelin’s designed for them or that they designed McLaren suspension.

Well, some are under a strange impression, eg:



:Hmm

Well go and read about it.....

[Brembo]

Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

Michael didn't need any help from the FIA. He had Ross, the midjet and Rubens working for him 100%. The same tires as the other teams had available and a T car set up just for him. Traction control helped while he had it. Put Lewis in that set up like Michael had it and he too would be a GOAT driver. Oh wait !! That's what's going on now 2019!! If only he had a T car to boot!! No DNF worries. Charles is young enough and has the skill to do it too as far a GOAT when he retires .

[DannyBuckley]

Some lap by Lewis at the end

[chinmay]

Some lap by Lewis at the end

Just shows how superior their car is when everything is turned on to get the fastest lap bonus.

[Real]

Just shows how superior their car is when everything is turned on to get the fastest lap bonus.

Wel, VETTEL had the superior car last year, arguably in 2017 as wel, why didnt he manage such feats? This year Mercedes is without a doubt the better car, but it wasnt in 2018, possibly not even in 2017. Hamiltonnis not even the best driver on the grid, but he is better then Vettel. Vettel makes way to many mistakes.
If not for his mistakes, he would have been 6 time champ.

[Brembo]

Just shows how superior their car is when everything is turned on to get the fastest lap bonus.

Especially when the car stays on auto pilot !:rotfl

[IulianFerrari]

Wel, VETTEL had the superior car last year, arguably in 2017 as wel, why didnt he manage such feats? This year Mercedes is without a doubt the better car, but it wasnt in 2018, possibly not even in 2017. Hamiltonnis not even the best driver on the grid, but he is better then Vettel. Vettel makes way to many mistakes.
If not for his mistakes, he would have been 6 time champ.

Ferrari was not the superior car in 2017. In 2018 it was close, Ferrari lost some ground in 2nd half, still would go with Mercedes. Vettel's mistakes made it clear we wouldn't win it. Hamilton was pretty good in 2018, had some good luck too.

[Brembo]

Good luck consists of a driver being at the right place at the right time, or he's out of luck ! He has to drive to that right place on the track. Oh and a little luck in the pit helps too ! All that complaining from almost everyone about the tires, it's plain amazing how Lewis managed to get the fastest lap on his hard tires with 32 laps done on them ! He decided not to pit. Good luck for sure!

[Real]

Ferrari was not the superior car in 2017. In 2018 it was close, Ferrari lost some ground in 2nd half, still would go with Mercedes. Vettel's mistakes made it clear we wouldn't win it. Hamilton was pretty good in 2018, had some good luck too.
Shouldnt have said Dominant, but you are right, it wasn’t dominant in 2017. Neither was it in 2018, but it was at least as good as Mercedes, but wend wrong in their development and that is where Mercedes made a difference. Vettel would have been champion in both years if he didnt make the mistakes. But lets hope they found a solution and can battle for wins more often. But

[Real]

Who expected Vettel to be on pole last year as well? And yet he was.
And we didnt expect him to be in the wall in Germany rain race either, yet there he was.

[F-e-r-r-nando]

Good luck consists of a driver being at the right place at the right time, or he's out of luck ! He has to drive to that right place on the track. Oh and a little luck in the pit helps too ! All that complaining from almost everyone about the tires, it's plain amazing how Lewis managed to get the fastest lap on his hard tires with 32 laps done on them ! He decided not to pit. Good luck for sure!


Brembo, I have enjoyed reading your posts (and mostly agreed with them) for several years now. I was also a Rubens fan for the reasons I believe you are. However, what's up with all of your Hamilton love as of late? Fastest lap on hards says more about how well the Merc/Pirelli relationship works than it does about Hamilton having Senna skills. Don't forget, on all out 1 lap pace, even Bottas has proven that he can be faster than Hamilton. And it's happened enough to not simply be a fluke fast lap, or a fluke Hamilton error.

[Brembo]

Bottas wants to beat Lewis every race, and Merc lets him go at it. When Lewis wins he has something to do with it . Bottas also has a great car. His 6th win @ his home track was a great win for him. I am a F-1 fanatic ! I love the races. Whatever is the reason , it's a race for a podium spot in 2019. It's not Ferrari holding 1st place and the WCC . I wish it was but F-1 is still going on and there's the other podium spots for now. Last race for me was great to watch. Lewis is at least as good as the other top drivers, no more , no less, , even though he's cursed with that top car. When Ferrari comes back with the top car and it's in Charles' hands and he rules as Lewis does now, will he be looked at as just lucky to be in the top car but can't drive worth a dump? That fastest lap was Lewis' choice to stay out and do it on those 32 lap old hard tires. I give him credit for getting it done, nothing more. I believe Ferrari is still alive in every race with the likes of Charles doing all he can with what he has.

[F-e-r-r-nando]

Bottas wants to beat Lewis every race, and Merc lets him go at it. When Lewis wins he has something to do with it . Bottas also has a great car. His 6th win @ his home track was a great win for him. I am a F-1 fanatic ! I love the races. Whatever is the reason , it's a race for a podium spot in 2019. It's not Ferrari holding 1st place and the WCC . I wish it was but F-1 is still going on and there's the other podium spots for now. Last race for me was great to watch. Lewis is at least as good as the other top drivers, no more , no less, , even though he's cursed with that top car. When Ferrari comes back with the top car and it's in Charles' hands and he rules as Lewis does now, will he be looked at as just lucky to be in the top car but can't drive worth a dump? That fastest lap was Lewis' choice to stay out and do it on those 32 lap old hard tires. I give him credit for getting it done, nothing more. I believe Ferrari is still alive in every race with the likes of Charles doing all he can with what he has.


Yeah, I guess I agree with what you're saying. However, all equal and in the same car, I can't help but feel that FA, MV, and even CL... possibly even DR, could beat Hamilton over a season........ and I don't think anyone would be shocked.

[F-e-r-r-nando]

And we didnt expect him to be in the wall in Germany rain race either, yet there he was.

:Hmm :lol:lol:lol :Hmm

[Brembo]

Yeah, I guess I agree with what you're saying. However, all equal and in the same car, I can't help but feel that FA, MV, and even CL... possibly even DR, could beat Hamilton over a season........ and I don't think anyone would be shocked.

Those names are in fact all equal winners; and would be evenly matched if as you say were in equal cars. It looks like Honda is going all out as far as spending on their F-1 venture. They are a big time Corp. money wise, and no need to stress how much R Bull has to spend. Ferrari needs to calm down with drivers pay; unless they deserve it at seasons end. Spend it on more food lunch time for the crew and drivers! Better results will come immediately!