Hungarian GP - Race

[stefa]

Good morning every one. As I am in Budapest and just a breakfast away from track I thought I should make this thread allready :-D.
All our hope is on some first cornen carnage with MV, LH and VB...

[nani_s23]

Good morning every one. As I am in Budapest and just a breakfast away from track I thought I should make this thread allready :-D.
All our hope is on some first cornen carnage with MV, LH and VB...

MV will be cautious...!! It’s lewis/bottas who will be aggressive.
Don’t know what ferrari can do much in this race.

[Ferrarichamp]

how many pit stops in this race? Ferrari need to try something different. Maybe put SV and CL on different strategies.

[nani_s23]

how many pit stops in this race? Ferrari need to try something different. Maybe put SV and CL on different strategies.

It’s a 1stop race.

[Ferrarichamp]

It’s a 1stop race.

But in 1998 Michael won with 3 stops :-D

[Arcana]

We're lucky if we finish better than we qualified. And we'll be extremely lucky if we'll finish in front of a Merc. If Max misses the start then he's toast since overtaking is almost impossible here and without safety cars or other racing incidents it's gonna be a borefest.

[Brembo]

Gasley starting 6th. Behind both Mercs and both Ferraris won't be much help in doing a Ruben's as a wing man. A clean rocket ship take off is what Max will need to hold that 1st, place for sure. Could that Honda R Bull car be that good so soon ? If so ; I doubt Max will be looking to go anywhere soon. R Bull may well be the team to be with for a while.

[Ferrarichamp]

I think Merc will win. Max only outqualified VB by 0.018s.
I'm not sure how he's going to keep two mercs behind him especially if they're fast on the long runs. We'll see.

[Rishu]

Max has a great chance if he can keep P1 after turn 1

[stefa]

It is getting hotter!

[stefa]

For years I have not seen such a huge crowd here at Hungroring!

[Brembo]

Seb's podium last race is giving fans new hope. I hope !

[nani_s23]

It is getting hotter!

Kindly post updates regarding track temp & any info...!! At least there’s some home if track temp is hot. There’s a podium chance.

I sense it’s blood bath for ferrari in Singapore GP

[chinmay]

Poor Max with his Red Bull bad starts will lose P1 at the start, slave will move over for Hamilton and it will be another borefest.

[Ferrarichamp]

Poor Max with his Red Bull bad starts will lose P1 at the start, slave will move over for Hamilton and it will be another borefest.

unless VB has other ideas, he might want to win the race. If Merc intend to replace him anyway, he has nothing to lose.

[Schumiklub]

MV will be cautious...!! It’s lewis/bottas who will be aggressive.
Don’t know what ferrari can do much in this race.

When was the last time you saw Max being cautious? I think he’ll give it full beans.


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[tifosi1993]

Today, Leclerc will get his first win in F1. :-)

[stefa]

Today, Leclerc will get his first win in F1. :-)

From your mouth to Gods eyars!

[Cavallino]

Today, Leclerc will get his first win in F1. :-)

That would be so sweet.

[Cavallino]

Yeah, those track temps need to keep rising.

[vcs316]

Track temp is at 41.9C. Let it go upto 50C and then, its game on!

[vcs316]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/bPmZBVhM7jTgsgtWla9xFg/https/media.fyre.co/7FRm7k7NRceUMS4dvNgP_Leclerc.JPG

No penalties for Charles Leclerc from his fourth-place grid position, but plenty of changes to his car overnight - particularly at the rear - after he span it into the barriers in Q1.

[vcs316]

Track temp is 46C and climbing!

[vcs316]

Speaking to Martin Brundle on the grid, Helmut Marko has underlined the importance of those opening few seconds of the race for Max Verstappen...

"Honda did a lot of work and we tried some starts on Friday and Saturday and they seemed to work.

"We need it otherwise we can't win this race.

"We are confident Max can do it. But if his start is not super, super he has to be very late on the brakes."

[Cavallino]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/bPmZBVhM7jTgsgtWla9xFg/https/media.fyre.co/7FRm7k7NRceUMS4dvNgP_Leclerc.JPG

No penalties for Charles Leclerc from his fourth-place grid position, but plenty of changes to his car overnight - particularly at the rear - after he span it into the barriers in Q1.

I wonder how much it compromised his qualifying performance.,

[vcs316]

Brundle says: "I can see the top five at least turning up into Turn One all at the same time and fighting over the same piece of tarmac.

"Two Ferraris with a lot of power in a double slip-stream behind two Mercedes that are slipstreaming behind Max Verstappen as well, who needs to get off the line. He needs to get his elbows out down into Turn One."

[nani_s23]

Hope for a good. I want to see Lec vs max battle, where Lec comes out on top. There’s unsettled score which needs to be settled

[KimiBot]

Good luck to our boys


:ferrarifl

[Rob]

If Mercs jump Max by end of lap 1, then I see that's the race done. Think we possibly get a podium, maybe.

Good luck. Hope can get strong result.

[vcs316]

Mercedes has been fined €1000 already for Hamilton speeding in the pitlane.

[Rishu]

Buttler lost big time

[Arcana]

Max is flying. He has this in the bag. It's game on Lewis vs Max.

[FerrariF60]

Buttler lost big time

not only that, but potato head is on course ot lose his seat at Merc.....ocon for next year for sure....

[Christopher]

We have no pace Leclerc is already dropping back from Lewis and Max

[vcs316]

Replays show it was a pretty mega move from Hamilton around the outside of Bottas to grab second - considering his team-mate drifted wide - at Turn 2, and that the more significant damage to Bottas's wing was actually as a result of a hit from Leclerc as the Ferrari overtook the Mercedes driver.

[Ferrarichamp]

gap between top 2 is stable.

[vcs316]

"We need you to push as much as you can," Ferrari tells Leclerc, who's now more than five seconds behind Hamilton.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari rear end is horrible.... both cars are struggling

[chinmay]

Ferrari should turn down the engine and bring the car home.

[vcs316]

The Ferrari boys are struggling to keep with the pace - Leclerc has now dropped 5.6s back on Hamilton, and is lapping over half a second slower. Vettel is keeping him honest, without really pressurising the youngster.

[Rob]

Here we go, as Charles touched a Merc I see penalty coming. Time go cook roast now and watch touring cars.

[Lesky]

Hamilton will just cruise around waiting for Max to ruin his tyres. The mercs are the quickest car.

[Ferrari312T4]

Ah the green table judges just checked in again.

[Cevertmyhero]

We don't have the pace to win but 2-3 is good! (Max's car will fail and gift the win to Ham)

[JacKy]

This is emberassing. From last year to this race , being the fastest to losing 1 second per lap to redbull/merc

[Schumiklub]

We have no pace at all, we lose half a second in S3 alone.

[Ferrarichamp]

yep, Ham is faster.

[Christopher]

We could end up 40 to 50 seconds off the lead at this pace.

[Ferrarichamp]

but who will pit first?

[Kyss4k]

Shame

[nani_s23]

Ferrari will pit first ....

[vcs316]

The discussions at Ferrari seem to be about 'Plan B' which sounds like it could be a two-stop strategy... In which case, how early will they pit? Leclerc is now 9.7s back on Hamilton in P2.

[chinmay]

Looking good for a pit stop without losing any places.

[PURE PASSION]

So we arrived in the summer break to be us bad as the 1st race. I'm SO disappointed with our development this year. I mean I now that the years before we where outpace midseason from Merc and RedBull , but this year we look like we dont have any answer at all. Its really hopeless!!!!:-(

[ferrari1.8t]

Big surprise, Brundle not happy that they didn’t investigate Leclerc.

[Rob]

May not be what we want. But we have known all year how this year going to be. So why all act surprised and moan about the pace. Just watch it and enjoy seeing our cars race. Yes, don't we all love winning, or challenge the win. If get both cars in poinys, and finish the race, heck, a podium, that's good considering how hard Seb and Charles have to work to get this car to the end.

Looks like we can get either Seb or Charles on podium today. My bet, Seb.

[Lesky]

Soon Hamilton will catch up, he is just cruising around out there of course.

[Rishu]

Gasly and Bottas are waste

[racingbradley]

Big surprise, Brundle not happy that they didn’t investigate Leclerc.

They weren't happy yesterday when he didn't end up out in Q1.
It's about time we escaped the odd penalty. We are no threat to their 2 golden boys.:roll

[Lesky]

Gasly and Bottas are waste

Agreed.

Mercedes is the fastest car by far, only Max is keeping where it is. Hamilton just taking it easy and saving his tires for the right time, no doubt.

[Arcana]

Probably Lewis will try the undercut in the pits. I don't see how he could overtake Max, especially on this circuit.

[Ferrarichamp]

Gasly and Bottas are waste

Bottas did win 2 races though. But it's like he's a different driver now.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Bottas was clearly in the mood to take somebody out - yet only succeeded in taking out himself. Such a waste of space.

Oh and Mercedes in pit-cheating shocker. As usual nothing will be done. Until they strip constructors' points nothing will happen. Disgusting.

[ferrari1.8t]

They weren't happy yesterday when he didn't end up out in Q1.
It's about time we escaped the odd penalty. We are no threat to their 2 golden boys.:roll

No threat to 1 golden boy lol, if it was Ham-Lec we would have been penalized lol. But like you said, they know Ferrari are of no threat this race.

[ferrari1.8t]

Merc playing games again, faking the pit to push Verstappen in to box

[Arcana]

Haha fake Merc pitstop.

[Ferrarichamp]

doubt it will happen, but if Max and Lewis take eachother out, we can win.

[Arcana]

Merc playing games again, faking the pit to push Verstappen in to box

Yeah, but Redbull didn't bite it.

[PURE PASSION]

May not be what we want. But we have known all year how this year going to be. So why all act surprised and moan about the pace. Just watch it and enjoy seeing our cars race. Yes, don't we all love winning, or challenge the win. If get both cars in poinys, and finish the race, heck, a podium, that's good considering how hard Seb and Charles have to work to get this car to the end.

Looks like we can get either Seb or Charles on podium today. My bet, Seb.

Well we hoped to try and catch up with updates, and we really see it on track. Example? RedBull. They where behind us 3-4 races ago and now with their development they are clearly ahead if us and closer to the Mercs!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Yeah, but Redbull didn't bite it.

How do they keep getting away with it? It’s against the rules.

[nani_s23]

Max & mercs are waiting for ferrari to pit

[Tifoso Svedese]

How do they keep getting away with it? It’s against the rules.

MIA

Mercedes International Assistance :roll

[nani_s23]

Vet catching Lec

[vcs316]

Verstappen getting a bit feisty. "I'm going to say it once again now, I'm losing grip." Red Bull's reply is clear: "And we have understood, Max."

[Tifoso Svedese]

Anyway, the moment Max can clear Leclerc after a pitstop he'll pit and effectively seal the race.

[Ferrarichamp]

no retirements yet? :Hmm

[DelMar]

How do they keep getting away with it? It’s against the rules.
Yes, It is illegal and they don't get punished as expected.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Unless Hammy can stretch his tyres into soft window, he won't stand a chance. Max will be going into the SC window shortly (5-7 laps) though.

[vcs316]

"I can't go any faster man!" barks Lewis Hamilton over the radio after being told he doesn't have quite enough of an advantage to pit and jump Verstappen.

The gap is just 18 seconds - and Max is on fresher, albeit harder, tyres.

[ferrari1.8t]

Race looking good for Verstappen...Merc tried to bluff and it bit them in the rear.

[DJTaurus]

Drama at the end of the race. Hamilton will try to overtake Ver and probably crash. Red Bull schoolling Mercs pit crew.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Race looking good for Verstappen...Merc tried to bluff and it bit them in the rear.

We were in their way to prevent an undercut window from happening. He'd lost 1 second per lap behind Leclerc (and/or) Vettel and found it hard to pass.

[Ferrarichamp]

still over half the race to go, no one has won it yet.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Bottas about to get lapped in the best car :lol

[Arcana]

Probably Lewis doesn't pit in the hope of a SC.

[KimiBot]

Hammer time, :-( ! I cannot go any faster.

[ferrari1.8t]

Hammer time, :-( ! I cannot go any faster.

Sweeter words have never been spoken lol

[Tifoso Svedese]

Race control will have trigger-happy SC fingers right now given who's yet to pit :wave

[Ferrarichamp]

Race control will have trigger-happy SC fingers right now given who's yet to pit :wave

:rotfl

[Tifoso Svedese]

Mercedes self-destruct and pit Hammy 10 laps before they should, he was barely losing any time :-D

[DelMar]

They should pit Vettel. In 10 laps he will lose a pit stop worth of time ))

[drax]

Well, we have no chance here, Singapore will be similar, but Spa and Monza should be ours to loose.

[Rishu]

Hamilton pulled 4 secs from Verstappen in 3 laps

[Arcana]

What happened to Max ?

[Rishu]

Make it 6 secs in 4 laps

[racingbradley]

Bottas about to get lapped in the best car :lol
Ocon will be the one guy in merc garrage who is happy with that.:-)
What a boring race.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Come on Hammy, slam into Mad Max and park both your cars afterwards :roll

[Arcana]

That Merc is a monster on hard tires...

[Tifoso Svedese]

34 laps worth of chances of Hammy losing his s and hitting Max. Here's hoping!

[chinmay]

So in 10 laps, Max has got another pit stop worth gap on Vettel.

[Rishu]

Perez is an idiot

[DJTaurus]

Plan c lol

[Arcana]

Plan c lol

Yes they try to end the race on softs for him.

[Arcana]

That was close...

[Tifoso Svedese]

One bit closer next lap please.

We could do with a 1-2 right now...

[Arcana]

Failed pit stop again. Well done Ferrari.

[DJTaurus]

Didn’t Hamilton damaged his floor ??

[Tifoso Svedese]

What on earth is wrong with our pit crew right now? We really don't need this the next two races.

[Arcana]

Didn’t Hamilton damaged his floor ??

Don't think so, but he backed off at the moment.

[nani_s23]

Never gets better for ferrari

[Rishu]

Failed pit stop again. Well done Ferrari.

Everybody having issues today not just Ferrari, Sky saying maybe temperature has a role in it

[Giallo 550]

Hamilton is just so cool under pressure! :rotfl

[Kyss4k]

I hope they will make a whole new car for the 2020. Not a single one bit of this pile of garbage of a vehicle has to be used next year. I guess they don't even know, why it is so slow and why it is sometimes decent, they are lost and they need to start from clean sheet. Losing 1 second per lap is insane.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Had I been Hammy's strategist I'd brought him in for softs with 15 to go, provided he has a set. Maybe he wasted it with the standard Q2 back off run.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Let's see what Toto's wingman's going to do now then?

That didn't work as planned, major beef between Bottas and Mercedes? :rotfl

[Arcana]

The Butler is 1 lap down.

[Kyss4k]

Umm... was just Seb unable to set the fastest lap for the 1 point with the new softs?

[Arcana]

Let's see what Toto's wingman's going to do now then?

That didn't work as planned, major beef between Bottas and Mercedes? :rotfl

I wish he crashed into Lewis...

[JChan]

In this scenario VER & LH will collide with each other gifting us a WIN!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, bringing softs with 30 laps to go perhaps wasn't too smart. I hope he'll at least get to 25 seconds before Sainz so he can safely take a scrubbed set with three laps to go or so.

[Warp]

abysmal pace

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, Hammy trying to attack with fading brakes could be interesting!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Leclerc matching Vettel's times with much older harder tyres. Oh dear.

[chinmay]

In this scenario VER & LH will collide with each other gifting us a WIN!

Verstappen in the second best car doing what Vettel was doing in Canada. He alone deserves to win.

[chinmay]

Looks like Vettel is slower on softs than he was on old worn mediums.

[Rishu]

Man, these Merc & RB strategist always think out of the box

[bondilad]

We might get lapped:-(

[Tifoso Svedese]

Looks like Vettel is slower on softs than he was on old worn mediums.

Yeah 30 laps on softs in a one-stopped was not what I had in mind when I wanted us to use softs today...

(25 + 25 + 20).

[Giallo 550]

Man, these Merc & RB strategist always think out of the box

I'm pretty sure Ferrari's strategies are determined by throwing darts at a board while blindfolded.

[DJTaurus]

Man, these Merc & RB strategist always think out of the box

They have nothing to loose and also the fastest car by far......

[Tifoso Svedese]

Sainz starting to fall outside of Vettel's fastest lap-window.

[Kyss4k]

Hamilton is still 1 pitstop ahead, even though he has done one more stop... We should not be surprised, but isn't this a bit much?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hamilton is still 1 pitstop ahead, even though he has done one more stop... We should not be surprised, but isn't this a bit much?

S3 has been beyond a parody all weekend.

[chinmay]

Well the winglet Ferrari added in the past 3 races gained them 20 seconds worth of race pace. Another winglet in Spa will reduce the gap by 20 seconds.

[KimiBot]

Man, these Merc & RB strategist always think out of the box

I think they just saw that Ham cannot overtake Max, so they have to try something else

[KimiBot]

Hamilton is still 1 pitstop ahead, even though he has done one more stop... We should not be surprised, but isn't this a bit much?

Bad track for us, many slow corners

[denskits]

If Max will lap Seb , its a shame for the car really


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[Rishu]

Hamilton not gaining enough, Max should have this

[chinmay]

Bad track for us, many slow corners

Worst is yet to come - Singapore. Ferrari needs a B spec car or must be prepared for the embarrassment of getting lapped there.

[Kyss4k]

Bad track for us, many slow corners

For sure, I expected us to be slower... but not this. We weren't this bad in Hungary since... I don't know... never?

[doublesixes]

Our car is an abomination. It shouldn't be called a Ferrari.

[JChan]

Worst is yet to come - Singapore. Ferrari needs a B spec car or must be prepared for the embarrassment of getting lapped there.

WHATTTTT???? Im going to SG GP already booked a ticket! what a waste of money!

[Tifoso Svedese]

WHATTTTT???? Im going to SG GP already booked a ticket! what a waste of money!

Much longer lap, compulsory Safety Car, greater tyre life and much warmer temperatures. We're not getting lapped in Singapore.

[Ferrarichamp]

if Lewis makes a mistake we can get double podium.

[nani_s23]

Max vs Ham & Lec vs vettel is on

[ferrari1.8t]

Poor Ric, he’s battling for 15th and can’t get by a Haas, when his former teammate is in 1st. He definitely made a mistake switching teams.

Let’s hope Hammys engine blows!

[PURE PASSION]

Our dear chief Mr Binotto said that our "upgrades" worked us supposed to do and that we put downforce to our car!!! So finishing more then 1 min!!!!! behind is that we have a good development plan???!!!

[Mimo966]

Unbelievable pace from the first 2, the 3rd driver is a minute behind LOL. How is this possible...

[JChan]

Much longer lap, compulsory Safety Car, greater tyre life and much warmer temperatures. We're not getting lapped in Singapore.

I'll enjoy myself for the after party satuday Gwen Stefani Concert, sunday RED HOT CHILLI PEPPER concert... not expecting anything for the Scuderia Ferrari performance.

[ferrari1.8t]

I hope Max can keep Lewis behind....

[DJTaurus]

So officially Mclaren best of the rest and keep rising ??

[nani_s23]

Ham will pass max easily. What a paceee from that mercs

[Tifoso Svedese]

Gasly crashgate replay coming up?

[Rishu]

Great strategy from Mercedes

[nani_s23]

What a strategy by mercs...!! Such was pace advantage

[ferrari1.8t]

Didn’t even try to defend. Here comes the “Hamilton is god” from sky.

[Ferrarichamp]

Sky must be enjoying themselves.

[Tifoso Svedese]

British press are going to declare this win SeNnA DoNiNgToN or something like that even though his car clearly was 0.5 seconds faster/lap in race trim. Sickens me. Verstappen clearly the best driver this weekend.

[Giallo 550]

Vettel with the superior strategy. Really should have been Leclerc's podium.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, I'm out anyway, I'm not watching when Hammy's leading close to the finish line, period.

[nani_s23]

Vettel with the superior strategy. Really should have been Leclerc's podium.

You don’t call superior strategy. Vettel called himself will go deep into the race on radio. It paid him off.

[Kyss4k]

Vettel with the superior strategy. Really should have been Leclerc's podium.

Oh come on... not again... stop it

[Ferrarichamp]

we get a podium even though we are nearly 1 lap down, weird.

[Giallo 550]

Oh come on... not again... stop it

It doesn't matter anyway. The season has been over for Ferrari for awhile.

[nani_s23]

Oh come on... not again... stop it

Yeah...!!

[Kyss4k]

Over a minute behind

[nani_s23]

Very sad to see ferrari being so far.! Reminds me similar to Australia.
Singapore GP would be blood bath

[Tifoso Svedese]

Leclerc should've been two-stopped but I guess they fell asleep on the pitwall at the end and I can't say I blame them.

[Arcana]

Great strategy from Mercedes

IMO it wasn't something extraordinary. That car is so fast that it allowed him the extra pit stop. Had Redbull reacted promptly and pitted Max right after Lewis, Max could have kept 1st place and finished ahead of Lewis.

[nani_s23]

Great drive by Ham too, to work it out

[Hornet]

we get a podium even though we are nearly 1 lap down, weird.

Our drivers did a better job than Bottas who somehow muck up such a huge advantage Merc had :thumb

[PURE PASSION]

Over a minute behind

AND with a pit less !!!!

[Arcana]

Very sad to see ferrari being so far.! Reminds me similar to Australia.
Singapore GP would be blood bath

Not sure... I think this will remain our worst...

[racingbradley]

Vettel with the superior strategy. Really should have been Leclerc's podium.

Agree it should have been Charles on the podium but we still get 27 points either way. All we could hope for today.:roll

[Tifoso Svedese]

Side note:

Mercedes 28
Red Bull 27
Ferrari 27

How? :rotfl

[tifosi1993]

Embarrassing...absolutely embarrassing. Yes we finished P3 and P4 but so what....more than a minute behind Hamilton. :lol

Should've ditched this useless concept a long time ago, but didn't. Because their simulations, which I am pretty sure is also useless, showed them that nothing is wrong with the concept. The only thing that is keeping Ferrari ahead of the mid-field is the engine, because chassis wise I don't think our car is ahead of the Mclaren.

[Schumiklub]

Horrible pace, just horrible, nothing else to say.

[Rishu]

IMO it wasn't something extraordinary. That car is so fast that it allowed him the extra pit stop. Had Redbull reacted promptly and pitted Max right after Lewis, Max could have kept 1st place and finished ahead of Lewis.

Was Hamilton gaining anything had they kept his fastest car on same strategy as RB? They reacted, did something unusual, even Hamilton doubted it, it paid off. Sometimes respect opposition

[Tifoso Svedese]

To think we used to get poles on merit in Monaco, Hungary and Singapore not so long ago...

[IulianFerrari]

This was painful to watch

[Schumiklub]

Embarrassing...absolutely embarrassing. Yes we finished P3 and P4 but so what....more than a minute behind Hamilton. :lol

Should've ditched this useless concept a long time ago, but didn't. Because their simulations, which I am pretty sure is also useless, showed them that nothing is wrong with the concept. The only thing that is keeping Ferrari ahead of the mid-field is the engine, because chassis wise I don't our car is ahead of the Mclaren.

I agree. If they ditched the concept they would have had it solved by now. They said it would have taken months to solve, months passed, but still nothing to solved, because we are still sticking with this crappy concept.

[wappad]

Agree it should have been Charles on the podium but we still get 27 points either way. All we could hope for today.:roll

Right! Maximum score for us this weekend :-)

[Ed Harley]

Great race, very exciting!

[Giallo 550]

To think we used to get poles on merit in Monaco, Hungary and Singapore not so long ago...

It's really amazing just how much the team has improved since 2014, and how far it has fallen off since last year.

[tifosi1993]

Vettel with the superior strategy. Really should have been Leclerc's podium.

There was no superior strategy. Before the first pitstop, Vettel was only 1.2 behind Leclerc, closed down a 1.5 sec within 3 laps (he was 2.8 seconds behind)

I think pace wise there was no difference, but Seb was definitely better at looking after his tyres.

[Giallo 550]

There was no superior strategy. Before the first pitstop, Vettel was only 1.2 behind Leclerc, closed down a 1.5 sec within 3 laps (he was 2.8 seconds behind)

I think pace wise there was no difference, but Seb was definitely better at looking after his tyres.

You're probably right.

[Schumiklub]

At least Mick Schumacher won in F2, so that's something positive.

[denskits]

A bit of good news , is Spa and Monza next. Hopefully , they produce a spec B car after these GPs badly!


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[TonyRizza]

Always next year or 2021...or 2022 :)

[Tifoso Svedese]

It's really amazing just how much the team has improved since 2014, and how far it has fallen off since last year.

The engine seemed to be the problem in 2014, after all Alonso came within an inch of winning in Hungary and was a tenth or so off pole in Singapore. Now it's the other way round. At least, the engine has been fast enough to enable three poles on power tracks and we've had two wins stolen by the (ma)FIA stewards but it's definitely not a morale-booster.

We need to take engine four AND five in Singapore and just write it off and start running the engines on peak mode throughout the races. That way we might have some RBR-esque fun in Russia, Mexico, Brazil and Abu Dhabi. Otherwise if we don't we may as well stay in Maranello after Monza.

[Ferrarichamp]

so how will RB feel, opportunity missed or Ham in the Merc was just too fast.

[chinmay]

so how will RB feel, opportunity missed or Ham in the Merc was just too fast.

Merc too fast. Verstappen was driver of the weekend.

[nani_s23]

Anyways it’s a good race ... saw ham Vs max battle.
Good strategy by mercs team.
Poor show from ferrari, on a track where we used to be fastest became worst of top3.

Lec improved his quali performances ....also needs to improve his race pace I mean looking after his tyres.
He will get on with it.

Next two races. Ferrari should get 1-2 finish at least to build a gap on RB in WCC. After that it’s a catch up for ferrari.

[Golfsmith]

Embarrassing...absolutely embarrassing. Yes we finished P3 and P4 but so what....more than a minute behind Hamilton.:-(:-(

[chinmay]

Singapore is the 3rd race from now. Mercedes and Red Bull will introduce a 3 tenth upgrade, 28 corners and those are really slow corners, Ferrari may as well abandon that race. When was the last time Ferrari was lapped?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Singapore is the 3rd race from now. Mercedes and Red Bull will introduce a 3 tenth upgrade, 28 corners and those are really slow corners, Ferrari may as well abandon that race. When was the last time Ferrari was lapped?

Probably 2014 the season that didn't happen for me. I didn't watch a single race, except Alonso leading in Hungary. Otherwise I pretended that it didn't happen.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Forget about winning a title soon, RB is catching up and I won't be surprised if the next winning cicle is for RB.

[PURE PASSION]

A bit of good news , is Spa and Monza next. Hopefully , they produce a spec B car after these GPs badly!


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Not going to happen. This year we cant introduce a single good upgrade and you are talking about B-spec !!!!!?????!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

This years woes shows how good those 2017-2018 cars were, chassis wise. Ferrari dominated all the high-downforce tracks, and if we take 2017 Hungarian GP in to account, Mercedes was faster than Ferrari in S1 and matching in S2, but Ferrari had 0.2-0.4sec advantage over Mercedes in S3. Same story last year, although the Merc was definitely improved quite a lot but still, Ferrari had the upper hand over Mercedes in slow-speed corners.

But this year it is completely opposite. Out winter testing-hyped outwash concept is failed, they need to suck up their pride and copy Mercedes, as Red Bull and Mclaren have done.

[nani_s23]

This years woes shows how good those 2017-2018 cars were, chassis wise. Ferrari dominated all the high-downforce tracks, and if we take 2017 Hungarian GP in to account, Mercedes was faster than Ferrari in S1 and matching in S2, but Ferrari had 0.2-0.4sec advantage over Mercedes in S3. Same story last year, although the Merc was definitely improved quite a lot but still, Ferrari had the upper hand over Mercedes in slow-speed corners.

But this year it is completely opposite. Out winter testing-hyped outwash concept is failed, they need to suck up their pride and copy Mercedes, as Red Bull and Mclaren have done.

Ferrari already in process of developing such thing the copy of Mercs FW. It takes time. Ignore this year.
With that copy FW & current engine, ferrari should be strong next year.

But what’s imp is ferrari should make FW work on their car

[Ferrarichamp]

too bad for Max and the neutrals. He probably needed this win to keep up a real title challenge.

[tifosi1993]

A bit of good news , is Spa and Monza next. Hopefully , they produce a spec B car after these GPs badly!


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But nothing stays static in F1. Everyone will bring major upgrades at SPA, and the amount of working upgrades Ferrari have introduced in the last 4-5 years, well let's just say I'm not that confident about SPA or Monza.

Also looking at the live-timing today, our sector 1 advantage, that we had in qualifying, was missing. It seems Ferrari can only run the engine at it's full power during Q2 and Q3.

[paolo lalli]

Suck it up race fans it is what it is this was as good as it could be to many corners we lost so much time.

[stefa]

What to say.... Expected, borring... you name it...

[Brembo]

Great seeing Seb on the podium twice in a row. Max needs to stay off pole ! It's bad luck for him! I really thought he had the chance big time to win. So that's 81 wins, 144 podiums , 87 poles, and going strong. Be it luck , the car, driving , it looks like Lewis is got it all in his favor.

[Tifoso Svedese]

But nothing stays static in F1. Everyone will bring major upgrades at SPA, and the amount of working upgrades Ferrari have introduced in the last 4-5 years, well let's just say I'm not that confident about SPA or Monza.

Also looking at the live-timing today, our sector 1 advantage, that we had in qualifying, was missing. It seems Ferrari can only run the engine at it's full power during Q2 and Q3.

It wouldn't make sense driving with a turned up engine in a race like this. It wouldn't surprise me if both drivers were told to sacrifice about 0.3 seconds per lap of engine performance just to get to the flag in one piece since there was nothing to gain from it. I really doubt our actual pace was this slow. Alonso infamously got himself lapped in Barcelona 2011 because he just cruised around going for the safe points, which I think was a P4 that day. Had Bottas not had a meltdown and stayed out with his front wing in P5, I think both our guys would've had a faster race time because there was a necessity. So long as both drivers turn down their engines equally there's no benefit or loss for either.

[wisepie]

I don't hold with the strategy argument that favours Seb on this occasion, he just did a better job with the tyres. It doesn't excuse the rubbish pace of the cars, we all know the lack of downforce is our biggest weakness and consequently the drivers are having to over-drive to be competitive in quali and the race, hence so many mistakes. It was embarrassing today but you can't dismiss P3/4 as a complete failure, we weren't lapped and there was little point trying to catch Max and HAM when they were so far ahead, so we got some good points. Trouble is so did RB who are edging towards us. Sky hardly mentioned the Ferraris all race or in the post-race show and when they did they all criticised our development and organisational paths. We knew this circuit wouldn't suit the SF90's shortcomings and I'm not even convinced that Spa or Monza will play into our hands, the car is ultimately a one-trick pony in a straight line and useless around corners and it won't change this season as the design is flawed. Have a good summer break everyone, I think we all need it!:-E:Hmm

[erinha]

What a strategy by mercs...!! Such was pace advantage


Vettel with the superior strategy. Really should have been Leclerc's podium.

When Ferrari makes an alternative strategy work instead of just following each other and everyone else, it is "should have been Leclerc's win". When Mercedes does the same thing, it is "what a strategy". :lol

Vettel was at least as fast as Leclerc in the first stint if he wasn't getting hold up. And he made the alternative (we call it "alternative" because it is slower in the end and was not even plan B, it was plan C) strategy work through pace and tyre management at which Leclerc himself admitted to have kinda sucked. Leclerc should pray that he didn't get a penalty for the incident with Bottas in this race and got let off on an open-and-shut case of unsafe release in the last race too.
And some of you guys who have some irrational issues when it comes to Vettel can be happy when he leaves Ferrari for Red Bull again and Ferrari is left with a rookie driver along with whomever they can find and convince to come race for them (Bottas? Raikkonen? Giovinazzi?) despite their downward trend as a team. I'm sure you would prefer wallowing in self pity and irrational hatred towards others for being successful when you can just accept Vettel along with everyone else working for Ferrari. :roll

[nani_s23]

Mercs gonna replace bottas with Ocon next year. Rosberg confirmed it on RTL

[Ferrarichamp]

Mercs gonna replace bottas with Ocon next year. Rosberg confirmed it on RTL

so has VB a seat somewhere else or is he leaving F1?

[wappad]

When Ferrari makes an alternative strategy work instead of just following each other and everyone else, it is "should have been Leclerc's win". When Mercedes does the same thing, it is "what a strategy". :lol

Vettel was at least as fast as Leclerc in the first stint if he wasn't getting hold up. And he made the alternative (we call it "alternative" because it is slower in the end and was not even plan B, it was plan C) strategy work through pace and tyre management at which Leclerc himself admitted to have kinda sucked. Leclerc should pray that he didn't get a penalty for the incident with Bottas in this race and got let off on an open-and-shut case of unsafe release in the last race too.
And some of you guys who have some irrational issues when it comes to Vettel can be happy when he leaves Ferrari for Red Bull again and Ferrari is left with a rookie driver along with whomever they can find and convince to come race for them (Bottas? Raikkonen? Giovinazzi?) despite their downward trend as a team. I'm sure you would prefer wallowing in self pity and irrational hatred towards others for being successful when you can just accept Vettel along with everyone else working for Ferrari. :roll

Great post Erinha :thumb

[racingbradley]

. When Ferrari makes an alternative strategy work instead of just following each other and everyone else, it is "should have been Leclerc's win". When Mercedes does the same thing, it is "what a strategy". :lol

Vettel was at least as fast as Leclerc in the first stint if he wasn't getting hold up. And he made the alternative (we call it "alternative" because it is slower in the end and was not even plan B, it was plan C) strategy work through pace and tyre management at which Leclerc himself admitted to have kinda sucked. Leclerc should pray that he didn't get a penalty for the incident with Bottas in this race and got let off on an open-and-shut case of unsafe release in the last race too.
And some of you guys who have some irrational issues when it comes to Vettel can be happy when he leaves Ferrari for Red Bull again and Ferrari is left with a rookie driver along with whomever they can find and convince to come race for them (Bottas? Raikkonen? Giovinazzi?) despite their downward trend as a team. I'm sure you would prefer wallowing in self pity and irrational hatred towards others for being successful when you can just accept Vettel along with everyone else working for Ferrari. :roll:-E

[Arcana]

Mercs gonna replace bottas with Ocon next year. Rosberg confirmed it on RTL

Yeah so that basically means Seb will be with us next year too. The rumour was that Max was going to join Merc(which didn't happen most likely because Lewis vetoed it), Seb returning to Redbull and Ricciardo to Ferrari in case Seb was leaving us.

[Ed Harley]

Replacing experienced Bottas with inexperienced Ocon would be a bold move.

[Arcana]

too bad for Max and the neutrals. He probably needed this win to keep up a real title challenge.

Yes. It was crucial for Max to win this race, to beat Lewis where his car was the strongest and give him a bit of a shake. Honda will bring that +25hp engine upgrade either in Spa or Monza and I fear that by the time we will be rolling with our superior engine on those tracks Max might come on top of both Ferrari and Merc but it's likely that it will be a bit too late for him to catch Lewis.

[nani_s23]

Yeah so that basically means Seb will be with us next year too. The rumour was that Max was going to join Merc(which didn't happen most likely because Lewis vetoed it), Seb returning to Redbull and Ricciardo to Ferrari in case Seb was leaving us.

Currently there’s no option for vettel & Max.
1) Max move to merc will be vetoed by Lewis
2) Vettel if he wants to make a move there’s no other top car for him.

Dr. Helmut marko made an interesting comment other day, Vettel’s move will trigger the driver market & Max next step.
So I reckon vettel will stay with ferrari till 2020 n then take it from there. Either retire at ferrari or go to RB, because if max can’t win with Honda next year, he will make a move. Which opens up RB’s driving seat, so vettel might prefer to go RB as 2021 Reg changes can be anybody’s game..... so it’s upto max decision which team he would prefer either ferrari or mercs. I’m thinking the later is the choice for him
Lec will get contract extension till 3-5yrs at least.
I’m sensing come 2021 there will be different line up in RB, ferrari, mercs.

[chinmay]

There is a very high possibility that Seb will retire at the end of next year. If that doesn't happen then this will happen in 2021:

Seb to Red Bull partnered with Kvyat
Verstappen to Mercedes alongside Hamilton
Leclerc having Ricciardo as his teammate at Ferrari

[stefa]

Why is everyone here against Seb, and looking for his replacement? Give man a break! Instead what we need is that Ferrari finaly build car and team competitive to fight for CWC and WDC.

[nani_s23]

Why is everyone here against Seb, and looking for his replacement? Give man a break! Instead what we need is that Ferrari finaly build car and team competitive to fight for CWC and WDC.

Vettel will stay no worries. Ferrari needs to give a strong car to their drivers. At least one of them would get the top step, which we all are waiting for.

Thing is we have two strong drivers consistent & united unlike other top teams.

[ferrari1.8t]

https://ca.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-hamilton-charge-margin-mercedes/4508260/

We all get excited for a different outcome from race to race, but in the end of the day Merc has plenty in the tank and get to use it when needed. Verstappen even called out their advantage in this article above. It’s sad really, there is zero competition for Hamilton. Bottas is a useless gp2 Butler, and no other team can even come close. It’s sad, it’s a joke, it’s a farce. We come here to complain about Ferrari and how incompetent they are, however no one in this turbo era will ever mount a serious challenge against Mercedes. It’s a all a joke. Stop complaining about Ferrari, and start complaining about the system. Mercedes will another 2-3 titles without breaking a sweat, all the while acting like “Ferrari are a threat, RedBull have speed”, “we are worried about x-y-z” bs, fake. Everyone, stop watching, stop hating on Ferrari, don’t come back until 2021 at a minimum. So sad. If you can’t see the advantage Merc has and has had for the last 6 years and still has in the bag when needed, I feel really sorry for you. Testing every year is a joke - “Ferrari are fastest” - come Australia Merc 1+ second ahead - “we really developed the car” when? In 2015?

End rant/

[wappad]

Why is everyone here against Seb, and looking for his replacement? Give man a break! Instead what we need is that Ferrari finaly build car and team competitive to fight for CWC and WDC.

Completely agree with you Stefa :thumb

Have a safe trip home!

[Giallo 550]

When Ferrari makes an alternative strategy work instead of just following each other and everyone else, it is "should have been Leclerc's win". When Mercedes does the same thing, it is "what a strategy". :lol

Vettel was at least as fast as Leclerc in the first stint if he wasn't getting hold up. And he made the alternative (we call it "alternative" because it is slower in the end and was not even plan B, it was plan C) strategy work through pace and tyre management at which Leclerc himself admitted to have kinda sucked. Leclerc should pray that he didn't get a penalty for the incident with Bottas in this race and got let off on an open-and-shut case of unsafe release in the last race too.
And some of you guys who have some irrational issues when it comes to Vettel can be happy when he leaves Ferrari for Red Bull again and Ferrari is left with a rookie driver along with whomever they can find and convince to come race for them (Bottas? Raikkonen? Giovinazzi?) despite their downward trend as a team. I'm sure you would prefer wallowing in self pity and irrational hatred towards others for being successful when you can just accept Vettel along with everyone else working for Ferrari. :roll

Nobody said, "it should have been Leclerc's win." I'm tired of seeing Ferrari conveniently forget about their second driver, which happens all too frequently.

What happened between Leclerc and Bottas was a racing incident, pure and simple, and what does an unsafe release have to do with ANY driver, for that matter? It's always the team's fault because they give the signal to go.

I have no "irrational hatred" toward Vettel. That is absolutely ridiculous. He has become an incredibly likable guy since joining Ferrari and anyone's who is a Ferrari fan wants to see him and his teammate win EVERY race. Many fans are frustrated and tired of the errors he has made dating back to early last season and perceive him as no longer up to the task if provided with a competitive car. There is nothing "irrational" about that.

The bottom line is that the car sucks, there is no management at the top, and the team has fallen flat on its face since Marchionne's death.

[alfaromeo]

Ferrari have a big problem with aerodynamic and suspension for 10 years. Always the same story. If they don’t bring same new people from the Red Bull or Mercedes like they did in Schumacher era, they will be behind Mercedes, Red Bull ....I don’t know what happening with the team but something is very wrong. Develop is a slow and if they don’t have very good engine they will be behind mclaren ... Two very big problem:aerodynamic- downforce and suspension for 10 years. �� For the future I’m not optimistic. If they bring peoples like Aldo Costa or Andry Newy then ok but 1min behind Mercedes and Red Bull this is crazy. The same as at beginning at Australia, Barcelona ....

[alfaromeo]

And binotto always spoke that they have problems with vertical downforce!!! Now we are middle of the season and the problem is the same:clap

[WS6TransAm01]

Everyone always gets on the drives. As if it’s all their fault. I bet if you gave Seb the 2019 Merc he would win the title. There is only so much you can do when you are given a knife and told to jump into the gun fight.


What to say.... Expected, borring... you name it...

Told you not to watch lol

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari have an obligation as an organisation of large scale proportions to provide our drivers with a great f1 car this is a Ferrari problem not a driver problem.Mr Binnotto wants to analyze the first half of the years performance it's simple it's a failure for Ferrari. When a development path is wrong there is no fix all you can do is patch up work along the way and hope for the best.This is Ferraris archillies heel for the remainder of 2019 boy oh boy they certainly got this one wrong.

[doublesixes]

The Scuderia has degraded to such a lowly level where it could benefit financially. Case in point, with such sub-par hardware it really doesn't matter who's at the wheel, really. So why pay huge salaries to our drivers when everybody knows that both championships are out of the question for many years to come, it seems? The really smart thing to do would be to recruit sponsored drivers that would actually bring money into Ferrari's arks.

[FerrariF60]

WOW......58 SECONDS BEHIND MERC AND REDBULL.....WOW, JUST WOW.....we're ABSOLUTELY nowhere on these HIGH downforce tracks....

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari pay high salaries because they can how else would you attract top drivers to Ferrari.They have failed there drivers so they are remunerated for being test mules for there constant failures on there f1 cars.

[Giallo 550]

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1158035275286753285

:rotfl

[tifosi1993]

WOW......58 SECONDS BEHIND MERC AND REDBULL.....WOW, JUST WOW.....we're ABSOLUTELY nowhere on these HIGH downforce tracks....

And Binotto can say whatever he likes but things are getting worse. Spain, another pure high downforce track, was a struggle but not at this extent. Even in Silverstone, which is a medium downforce track, Ferrari was third best.

I fear Singapore is going to be even more embarrassing for Ferrari, wouldn't be surprised to see them getting lapped there.

[Ferrarichamp]

At least Spa will be better for us due to the power hungry circuit, at least I hope :Hmm

[nani_s23]

And Binotto can say whatever he likes but things are getting worse. Spain, another pure high downforce track, was a struggle but not at this extent. Even in Silverstone, which is a medium downforce track, Ferrari was third best.

I fear Singapore is going to be even more embarrassing for Ferrari, wouldn't be surprised to see them getting lapped there.

Keep trust on him, he will deliver. Next year we would be in better position than the current one.

[stefa]

Keep trust on him, he will deliver. Next year we would be in better position than the current one.

That sounds familiar.... Where did I heard it before? :Hmm

[racingbradley]

That sounds familiar.... Where did I heard it before? :Hmm

2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 ?????
When will it end? ;-)

[nani_s23]

2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 ?????
When will it end? ;-)

In all these years which you mentioned, ferrari is the only team that Is consistent competitive to its rivals.
2010-13 era ferrari vs RB
2014-2019 era mercs vs Ferrari.

Look at McLaren, Williams, Renault where are they ?

[FerrariF60]

That sounds familiar.... Where did I heard it before? :Hmm

We keep hearing that year over year since the Domenicali days.....just like broken record
I,m yet to witness a fast ferrari out of the box, AND keep the development pace throughout the year....the last time we witness3d that was back in 2008 when there was unlimited track testing in Fiorano.....ever since that stoppe, we’ve been in the dark and hit and miss....well mostly miss in our performance on track


Sad but definitely true....

[FerrariF60]

2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 ?????
When will it end? ;-)

You forgot 2009.....ferrari really got crippled when the unlimited track testing on fiorano stopped at the end of 2008.....we either don’t have as advanced tools such as a state of the art wind tunnel and CFD software like our competitors do, OR were just plain simple, incompetent

[racingbradley]

You forgot 2009.....

I deliberately left that one out since Felipe had his accident that year and we didn't get a suitable reliable replacement!!!! :-s
My take on our recurring problem.
you look at the management of the three top teams.......... RB and Merc have had a stable management structure.
Christian Horner and Adrian Newey have been at the team since 2005.
Toto Wolff joined Merc in 2013
Ferrari since 2007 are on their 4th manager.
I believe that a stable consistent management structure provides results.
Maybe this is our problem.

[racingbradley]

Look at McLaren, Williams, Renault where are they ?
Not in the same league as the three top teams at the minute but if we don't do something pronto Macca could overtake us.:-(
I would like to add that I am a passionate Ferrari lover and would defend our team against all of the above and often do when in discussion with supporters of the teams you mentioned.
But on a Ferrari website where we all love the team anyway I feel we can also air our views and fears. ;-)

[nani_s23]

Not in the same league as the three top teams at the minute but if we don't do something pronto Macca could overtake us.:-(
I would like to add that I am a passionate Ferrari lover and would defend our team against all of the above and often do when in discussion with supporters of the teams you mentioned.
But on a Ferrari website where we all love the team anyway I feel we can also air our views and fears. ;-)

You are getting me in a wrong way. Everyone is entitled to share their opinions whether it’s good or bad here in this forum.
As a ferrari fan, I always support my team it does mean in difficult times too. We faced a lot worse than this year’s car.
Look at 2014? 2016? This year car is at least good at few tracks. Where we missed couple of wins marginally.
Also we had couple of poles this year.
It’s Mattia Binotto first year as a lead, give him space & time. I believe he will deliver.

[paolo lalli]

Put seb in a red bull or mercedes and he will show you his ageless talent.Ferrari have failed there drivers it's as simple as that .The blame is firmly at the feet of Ferrari .For sure our drivers have made mistakes but the biggest one is Ferraris inability to produce a decent all round fi car.How many years now?TO MANY.

[stefa]

Put seb in a red bull or mercedes and he will show you his ageless talent.Ferrari have failed there drivers it's as simple as that .The blame is firmly at the feet of Ferrari .For sure our drivers have made mistakes but the biggest one is Ferraris inability to produce a decent all round fi car.How many years now?TO MANY.

Straight to the point!
Drivers making mistakes when car is not good and when they need to drive it above the limits to be able to compete with the best cars on the grid.

[wisepie]

Straight to the point!
Drivers making mistakes when car is not good and when they need to drive it above the limits to be able to compete with the best cars on the grid.

Just what I've been saying all season! The car is the issue here, not the drivers, it's not a prancing horse when it gets to a corner, it just tries to jump it! Hope you got home OK stefa and that you enjoyed the weekend, if not the result!;-)

[racingbradley]

You are getting me in a wrong way. Everyone is entitled to share their opinions whether it’s good or bad here in this forum.

If I got you wrong apologies didn't mean to offend.
As regards this years car no it's not the worst by a long chalk just one in a line of many. ;-)

[wappad]

You are getting me in a wrong way. Everyone is entitled to share their opinions whether it’s good or bad here in this forum.
As a ferrari fan, I always support my team it does mean in difficult times too. We faced a lot worse than this year’s car.
Look at 2014? 2016? This year car is at least good at few tracks. Where we missed couple of wins marginally.
Also we had couple of poles this year.
It’s Mattia Binotto first year as a lead, give him space & time. I believe he will deliver.

:thumb

[barzini77]

Ferrari was the best team last race. 3rd best car and the got P3&P4. Nicely done! Shame that the gap to Mercedes&RedBull was too much.

Great race from Seb as well, managed a long first stint nicely.

[nani_s23]

If I got you wrong apologies didn't mean to offend.
As regards this years car no it's not the worst by a long chalk just one in a line of many. ;-)

No problem ...!!:thumb

[stefa]

Just what I've been saying all season! The car is the issue here, not the drivers, it's not a prancing horse when it gets to a corner, it just tries to jump it! Hope you got home OK stefa and that you enjoyed the weekend, if not the result!;-)

Yeah, everything, except the result was great!

:thumb

[paolo lalli]

Unfortunately the SF90 is no prancing horse.I would say more like a show jumper at the moment very moody very tempremental and totally unpredictable.