Italian GP 2019 practice and qualifying

[Rob]

Home race weekend.

[stefa]

Godspeed for another victory!

:ferrarifl

[nani_s23]

Looks Wet FP1

[Ferrarichamp]

RB on inters.

[crn12]

Thread says Quanitfying instead of Qualifying :)

[Rob]

Thread says Quanitfying instead of Qualifying :)

autotype :roll

fixed

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari's out on inters

[tifosi1993]

Red Flag, Perez crashed at Ascari chicane

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc already looking much more confident, he was faster than Vettel on both inters and medium tyres.

[paolo lalli]

REMEMBER THE NAME CHARLES LECREC.

[aroutis]

Charles in his 2nd year in F1, his first in the Scuderia and already does stuff amazing stuff.

With God's will , we 're in for some happy times.

[chinmay]

REMEMBER THE NAME CHARLES LECREC.

You forgot it?

[Rishu]

Parabolica without gravel trap sucks

[nani_s23]

Any live streaming links plz

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc 1:20.978 soft tyres

S1: 27.139
S2; 26.936
S3: 26.903

[tifosi1993]

Any live streaming links plz

http://mygoodstream.pw/foxasia/foxasia1.php

[stefa]

I just logged in. How we are doing?

[tifosi1993]

Vettel 1:21.179 soft tyres

S1: 27.046
S2: 27.078
S3: 27.055

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc's 2nd lap on soft: 1:21.613

S1: 27.337
S2 :27.085
S3: 27.191

[tifosi1993]

Max soft tyre: 1:21.350

S1: 27.270
S2 :27.111
S3 :26.969

Vettel's 2nd lap on softs: 1:22.038

S1: 27.484
S2: 27.296
S3 :27.258

[Ferrarichamp]

Max will be gutted he's starting from the back, interesting to see how aggressive he'll be in the race.

[tifosi1993]

I think track is dry enough, Ricciardo's on long run doing high 1m27's-low 1m28's

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes FP2 quali run (soft tyres)

Hamilton: 1:21.046

S1: 27.293
S2: 26.998
S3: 26.755

Bottas: 1:21.347

S1: 27.388
S2: 27.151
S3: 26.808

[tifosi1993]

Friday long run

Leclerc (soft tyres): 1m25.997-25.241-24.860-24.961-24.246-25.618-25.413-1m28.861 pits

Leclerc (hard tyres): 1m48.235 out lap-1m25.495-25.026-25.349-29.114-25.670-26.071-28.051-25.442-25.599-25.340-26.099-25.729-1m29.598 pits

Vettel (medium tyres): 1m26.232-25.777-25.966-25.612-25.683-26.122-25.615-25.401-25.494-25.540-25.652-25.006-1m29.989 pits

Vettel (soft tyres): 1m54.829 out lap-1m25.204-25.215-25.838-25.051-25.155-24.833-25.470-24.624-1m37.917 pits

Hamilton (medium tyres): 1m25.503-25.494-25.163-24.863-25.268-26.455-24.723-25.714-25.463-26.804-24.935-25.034-24.806-25.994-24.727-1m43.375 pits

Bottas (soft tyres): 1m26.968-24.939-25.015-24.136-24.919-24.978-24.761-26.432-29.243-25.470-24.676-24.815-24.789-24.524-1m34.887 pits

[nani_s23]

Mercedes FP2 quali run (soft tyres)

Hamilton: 1:21.046

S1: 27.293
S2: 26.998
S3: 26.755

Bottas: 1:21.347

S1: 27.388
S2: 27.151
S3: 26.808

Ham had a good tow from bottas right through of that flying lap

[Ferrarichamp]

It seems obvious Lewis will be the main threat. Max is so far back it would take a miracle for him to win. I hope Seb struggles less with the tyres this time.

[stefa]

Friday long run

Leclerc (soft tyres): 1m25.997-25.241-24.860-24.961-24.246-25.618-25.413-1m28.861 pits

Leclerc (hard tyres): 1m48.235 out lap-1m25.495-25.026-25.349-29.114-25.670-26.071-28.051-25.442-25.599-25.340-26.099-25.729-1m29.598 pits

Vettel (medium tyres): 1m26.232-25.777-25.966-25.612-25.683-26.122-25.615-25.401-25.494-25.540-25.652-25.006-1m29.989 pits

Vettel (soft tyres): 1m54.829 out lap-1m25.204-25.215-25.838-25.051-25.155-24.833-25.470-24.624-1m37.917 pits

Hamilton (medium tyres): 1m25.503-25.494-25.163-24.863-25.268-26.455-24.723-25.714-25.463-26.804-24.935-25.034-24.806-25.994-24.727-1m43.375 pits

Bottas (soft tyres): 1m26.968-24.939-25.015-24.136-24.919-24.978-24.761-26.432-29.243-25.470-24.676-24.815-24.789-24.524-1m34.887 pits

This does not look good....

[nani_s23]

It seems obvious Lewis will be the main threat. Max is so far back it would take a miracle for him to win. I hope Seb struggles less with the tyres this time.

It will be similar to spa..!! Who holds Lewis this time need to see.

[nani_s23]

With mixed conditions for race, anyone can win the race. I expect SC in the race

[Ferrarichamp]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a dry race on Sunday. Weather forecasts are often wrong.

[19000rpmF-2004]

I hope we get better or we are for a long home weekend!

[ferrari1.8t]

Nice to see Leclerc P1 in both FP sessions, however it is strange that on a power sensitive track, where we are supposed to be supreme and have our updated 3rd spec engine - Hamilton posts a time only +0.068 behind Leclerc? I know the weather played a factor and its only practice, but I still don't believe our engine is that far ahead of Mercs as everyone believes. Time will tell I guess, I was hoping for Leclerc to shatter Kimi's record lap time from last year lol, doesn't look like it will happen.

[Schumiklub]

Nice to see Leclerc P1 in both FP sessions, however it is strange that on a power sensitive track, where we are supposed to be supreme and have our updated 3rd spec engine - Hamilton posts a time only +0.068 behind Leclerc? I know the weather played a factor and its only practice, but I still don't believe our engine is that far ahead of Mercs as everyone believes. Time will tell I guess, I was hoping for Leclerc to shatter Kimi's record lap time from last year lol, doesn't look like it will happen.

I doubt we turned up the wick on the new engine on a Friday. Let’s see what happens in FP3 and Q.


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[Tifoso Svedese]

Green track as well. Not really much point in letting loose.

I definitely hope in qualifying trim we can pull out 0.4 seconds or so to fit both cars 1-2 for sure. We'll need to have the cars first and second departing the second chicane on lap one. 1-3 in qualifying could also do that trick, but the odds are worse. Given there's less degradation here, the difference between qualifying and race pace definitely will be smaller though. If pole is won by just a tenth or two, the race could still be there to be won. Overtaking at Monza takes a lot of tyre advantage when being slower in a straight line, after all. Last year it took one of Kimi's typical mistakes to get passed and Vettel almost caught Bottas from the back even though the Mercedes car was on average better in tyre wear even then, just showcasing that one-lap and race speed are much more entwined at Monza.

[nani_s23]

#AMuS GPS data has revealed that Ferrari has not activated the power button of their Spec 3 engine yet. During their fastest laps, Mercedes reached 343.0 km/h at the end of the home straight. Ferrari only reached 339.1 km/h.

#AMuS About the long run lap times of Ferrari: The new Spec 3 engine ran with race mode and the setup was trimmed so that the tyres didn't degrade. In terms of tyre wear, Ferrari achieved their goal, but at the price of losing lap time [against Mercedes].

[Rob]

Charles Leclerc #16
“It was a special feeling to drive for Ferrari in Monza for the first time. I could actually see the tifosi cheering for us from the grandstands while I was driving, and it is just amazing to be here.
The day went quite well. While it is nice to be quickest, I don’t think that we have a real picture of the whole situation yet due to the tricky conditions we faced on track today. In FP1, we were very competitive, especially on the intermediates, which is a positive. However, the lap times on the dry tyres in FP2 are not really representative and we have to keep working and understand where we can gain some more time. Our competitors are quick and we are still to see their full potential.
The car felt good. In terms of race pace, we are not yet at the point we were in Spa. On the qualifying pace, we also have some work to do and we will give our all to do a good job tomorrow.”

Sebastian Vettel #5
“The day was ok, but we can still get more out of the car. FP1 was a bit of a scrappy session, with all the teams heading out as soon as the light went green after each red flag. We didn’t have the usual rhythm of a Friday, but the main thing is that we got some decent laps in and we know where our weaknesses are and what to focus on.
For qualifying, we have to see what the conditions will be like, how careful we might need to be on the out lap, and how the tyres will work. Then we will take it from there. It is nice if you get a tow around here, and the priority is to get one perfect lap.
Ahead of the race, you just want to improve the car and make it faster overall, because you need a car that allows you to have a good performance while also saving the tyres. We have some work to do, and I know that I can find more for tomorrow.”

[Rob]

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[Rob]

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[458 Italia]

Seeing those pics of Charles, I really hope we get to see Mick the same way. Can you not imagine the force of the two together driving for Ferrari!?

Well I can dream can't I!? lol! :-D

[FerrariF60]

Seeing those pics of Charles, I really hope we get to see Mick the same way. Can you not imagine the force of the two together driving for Ferrari!?

Well I can dream can't I!? lol! :-D

Well as much as I’d like to see Mick driving for ferrari and following his fathers steps, he still has to prove himself in GP2, the way Charles did 2 years ago.....when I used to see Charles win races in GP2 and the the way he drove with such determination, talent and hunger.....I said to myself, Ferrari better snatch this kid before some other team will.......and boy oh boy am I glad he is now driving for us.....

Mick is NOT there yet, maybe another year in GP2 as I’m not sure he’s ready for F1 the way Charles was...at least not yet

[tifosi1993]

Seeing those pics of Charles, I really hope we get to see Mick the same way. Can you not imagine the force of the two together driving for Ferrari!?

Well I can dream can't I!? lol! :-D

No I can't. I don't see anything special about Mick Schumacher, his only claim to fame is a F3 title. Just because his dad is all time great, doesn't mean Mick Schumacher is going to be equally good. And for me, it's a bit disappointing to see so many people here are so fixated on the surname, or the pedigree. He might be good, but there's a big danger of nepotism here. Most people say they'd like a meritocracy, yet many people here are getting teary-eyed over a Schumacher testing with his dad's old team and driving his did's championship winning car.

If Mick turns out to be an amazing driver, then fine, give him the second Ferrari seat. But so far we've seen nothing to indicate that.

[tifosi1993]

Vettel: 1:20.611 (26.944, 26.846, 26.821)

Leclerc: 1:21.010 (27.069, 27.026, 26.915)

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc's 2nd lap: 1:20.452 (26.958, 26.759, 26.735)

Vettel's 2nd attempt: 1:20.846 (27.041, 26.931, 26.874)

[stefa]

Just saw the f3 crash. Unbelievable. It's time to ban the curbs and run off areas, bring back the gravel everywhere!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MC1J3dzWc

[tifosi1993]

Croft is so ******* stupid, Yeah 1m21's are race simulation laps. :lol

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc and Bottas identical lap times

[Rishu]

Did Renault bring an updated engine?

[Ferrarichamp]

Ric faster than Ham :lol

[KimiBot]

Difficult to say, it looks tight, Max can spoil the party and we cannot count out Mercs.

[Ferrarichamp]

Ham must have engine turned down, he should be right up there in qualy.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ham must have engine turned down, he should be right up there in qualy.

From ESPNF1:

“Despite using the medium compound, Hamilton is actually the fastest driver in sectors one and two. The only difference is that he lost 0.456s in the first sector to Ferrari where straight-line speed is king”

No matter how fast our engine is perceived to be, this is still a tyre formula where Merc has the recipe. Fastest driver with the slower tyres seems about right. We’ll see what happens once all the engines are fired up to quali mode.

[KimiBot]

strongest candidate for pole is max imo, that looked so smooth and easy, I hope I am wrong

[Ferrarichamp]

strongest candidate for pole is max imo, that looked so smooth and easy, I hope I am wrong

it won't matter though as he's starting the race from the back.

[Tifoso Svedese]

We better have the engine massively turned down for that or else we're in deep s* with even Ricciardo so close. In most likelihood both Honda and Renault ran full party mode though, I can't think of it any other way.

Seems a bit like both our drivers had disturbed laps they didn't quite get over the line. Purple to yellow and stuff like that.

[nani_s23]

strongest candidate for pole is max imo, that looked so smooth and easy, I hope I am wrong

In spa they were 0.9ths down come quali.
In Monza with that spec4 Honda covered that .9ths??? Don’t think so. Come quali everyone will turn their engines up.

[KimiBot]

it won't matter though as he's starting the race from the back.

Yeah, I forgot it, I have had no time to follow as usual, missed last race weekend (and of course we won) and yesterday.

[Christopher]

It's all going to come down to who gets the best tow in Q3 but our pace advantage isn't as big as I expected it to be I wonder if we are turning the engine down.

[KimiBot]

In spa they were 0.9ths down come quali.
In Monza with that spec4 Honda covered that .9ths??? Don’t think so. Come quali everyone will turn their engines up.

Max did not had tow, like Seb had, and drove only 2 fast laps, so that was impressive imo, but we will see, hope you are right

[Ferrarichamp]

it is a bit weird to see Max post that time, if anything he should be the one with the engine turned down more than the others.

[evo_spook]

it is a bit weird to see Max post that time, if anything he should be the one with the engine turned down more than the others.

Not really no. It is a new engine so they are probs running it with higher settings to ensure it is installed all right and not going to go pop.

[chinmay]

Ferrari has sacrificed one lap pace for better race pace as told by AMuS. Makes no sense to beat your rivals by half a second on Saturday and then getting decimated by the same rivals on Sunday. Pole is wide open, whoever gets the perfect tow gets the cake.

[Ferrarichamp]

Ferrari has sacrificed one lap pace for better race pace as told by AMuS. Makes no sense to beat your rivals by half a second on Saturday and then getting decimated by the same rivals on Sunday. Pole is wide open, whoever gets the perfect tow gets the cake.

If Mercedes lock out the front row I doubt Ferrari will win.

[chinmay]

If Mercedes lock out the front row I doubt Ferrari will win.

formula1.com's Friday analysis showed Mercedes to be only a tenth quicker than Ferrari over long runs. Whatever Ferrari did worked as earlier the gap was significant on Friday.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari's on medium tyres, strange decision

[tifosi1993]

Reanult :-E

[Rishu]

At least Vettel if not both will have to come out on softs, this is too risky

[evo_spook]

Well that didn't work for Vettel

[tifosi1993]

Second lap

Leclerc 1:20.126

26.749
26.777
26.600

Vettel 1:20.378

26.988
26.766
26.624

[tifosi1993]

Now Vettel will get the toe, good going

[tifosi1993]

Vettel was on a pretty handy lap before the red flag, 26.789 in S1 PB, 26.585 in S2 another PB.

[Rishu]

Must say I was nervous before the second run, we can screw anywhere but not in Monza pls

[tifosi1993]

This is going to be close in Q3

[KimiBot]

COME ON SEB and CHARLES

[Vettel165]

Leclerc has pole in the bag.easy.

[tifosi1993]

Top 10: 3 Ferrari powered cars, 3 Mercedes powered, 3 Renault powered and one Honda powered...But yeah Honda is ahead of Renault...:lol

[stefa]

It is going to be close....

[gump1480]

The Mercs are mega in S3...defending against Hamilton tomorrow will be really something even if we lock out the front row.

[Christopher]

This is going to be close

[tifosi1993]

The Mercs are mega in S3...defending against Hamilton tomorrow will be really something even if we lock out the front row.

Hamilton got the toe from Bottas. That's why Hamilton's S3 time is fastest and Bottas's S3 is crap

[DelMar]

The Mercs are mega in S3...defending against Hamilton tomorrow will be really something even if we lock out the front row.
I think that is due to parobolica but S3 will not have much bearing on terminal speed into T1.

[Rishu]

Leclerc robbed of his tow

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc 26.469 in S1

[Rishu]

Vettel all four wheels off track I think

[stefa]

Vettel all four wheels off track I think

I thought I saw the same

[tifosi1993]

Alfa needs better drivers

[stefa]

Mercedes is very fast in S2

[stefa]

SV all four wheels off track

[DelMar]

Leclerc robbed of his tow
He has a Renault in front.

[stefa]

SV now 4th

[stefa]

1st row lock out is mandatory

[Rishu]

He has a Renault in front.

That’s not ideal is it? You need a similar paced car to make it work entire lap

[tifosi1993]

Current sectors

Sector 1:

Leclerc 26.469
Ricciardo 26.644
Hamilton 26.702
Vettel 26.734
Albon 26.743
Hulkenberg 26.750
Raikkonen 26.942
Sainz 26.983

Sector 2

Bottas 26.152
Hamilton 26.203
Vettel 26.330
Leclerc 26.412
Albon 26.499
Ricciardo 26.592
Hulkenberg 26.670
Raikkonen 26.885

Sector 3

Vettel 26.393
Bottas 26.407
Leclerc 26.426
Hamilton 26.441
Ricciardo 26.603
Hulkenberg 26.629
Sainz 26.989

[DelMar]

That’s not ideal is it? You need a similar paced car to make it work entire lap
Renault is only half a second slower

[stefa]

Renault is only half a second slower

Half a second in F1 is huge

[Rishu]

Yeah that’s big for a 3.5 mile circuit.

[tifosi1993]

I think Ferrari should abandon the toeing nonsense, Vettel was on clear air and he was faster than Leclerc in sector 2 and 3

[denskits]

Suspense


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[stefa]

Suspense


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Nail biting

[JChan]

LETS DO IT FERRARI!

[tifosi1993]

:rotfl

[stefa]

!?!?!?!?

[Rishu]

How stupid

[stefa]

What stupidity

[Kyss4k]

What. The. Hell :rotfl

[JChan]

WHAT???? THAT's IT????

[stefa]

It is going to be very though tomorrow

[KimiBot]

Pole for Ferrari in home race is always something

[Ferrarichamp]

what happened?

[tifosi1993]

Clown show :rotfl

But nonetheless, POLE POSITION! GO CHARLES!

[denskits]

Epic fail!


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[Rishu]

Not complaining with Lec Pole but this whole tow thing has robbed fans who paid to watch Q3 action

[Arcana]

What a fiasco. Bunch of jokers.

[stefa]

Not complaining with Lec Pole but this whole tow thing has robbed fans who paid to watch Q3 action

Exactly. Withour 1st row lock out, it is going to be very though tomorrow

[Kyss4k]

Professionals...

[Christopher]

:rotfl

[Tifoso Svedese]

That was an anticlimax. Will be a long race tomorrow with Charles fighting the Mercedes cars by himself...

Hülkenberg really did f up there on the final lap, what was he thinking? Neither of our drivers nor Hammy did anything wrong there.

Anyway, great pole lap.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Q3 switches to single-car laps from Singapore. Vettel could play a key role as a rearguard after the pit stops tomorrow as well.

[tifosi1993]

What a fiasco. Bunch of jokers.

Blame the FIA, it's not the fast time they have done this tip toeing nonsense but the FIA didn't do anything.

[Ferrarichamp]

no live feed for me, what happened at the end?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Blame the FIA, it's not the fast time they have done this tip toeing nonsense but the FIA didn't do anything.

Just reinstate the 10 % outlap rule, where on earth did that one go?

[wappad]

Exactly. Withour 1st row lock out, it is going to be very though tomorrow

Sure will be tough, but it would have been tough anyway tomorrow!

We have another pole in Monza! So happy for the tifosi over there and for myself :-)

Forza Ferrari!! Well done Charles:thumb

[Tifoso Svedese]

no live feed for me, what happened at the end?

Hülkenberg backed everyone up to a ridiculous degree, looking like a SC restart until Sainz and Vettel lost patience and drove away, Leclerc caught up with Vettel, overtook him and then only Sainz and Leclerc got to the line.

[KimiBot]

Seb could crash with Hamilton tomorrow. I do not ask much Seb. :-)

[Ferrarichamp]

Hülkenberg backed everyone up to a ridiculous degree, looking like a SC restart until Sainz and Vettel lost patience and drove away, Leclerc caught up with Vettel, overtook him and then only Sainz and Leclerc got to the line.

ok thanks

[bonzo]

Well, well, where is this sport going to? The stupidity of it. Seb was told " 10seconds" but he kept crawling behind.

[bonzo]

Seb could crash with Hamilton tomorrow. I do not ask much Seb. :-)

Probably the best he could do.

[tifosi1993]

Hulkenberg should be thrown at the back of the grid, he has ruined everyone's lap.

[bonzo]

Hulkenberg should be thrown at the back of the grid, he has ruined everyone's lap.

Why? They could have passed him

[Ferrarichamp]

maybe they should just go back to the old format, one driver at a time.

[tifosi1993]

Why? They could have passed him

True, but his silly antics at turn one started the chain reaction. Nobody was sure what to do...

But I'd say it again, FIA is the most incompetent origination in the world and F1 would be better off without the FIA.

[tifosi1993]

maybe they should just go back to the old format, one driver at a time.

Atleast they wouldn't dare to do the same in Singapore.

[doublesixes]

It was up to the individual drivers. Like bonzo above points out, drivers are not impeded from passing each other and gain positions. What a silly show. Single car qualy is what the Dr ordered.

[JChan]

Be happy guys atleast we got pole! what if HAM is faster and got pole? which do you prefer we got pole at the expense of error or got beaten up by MERC?

[f412]

Well, well, where is this sport going to? The stupidity of it. Seb was told " 10seconds" but he kept crawling behind.

it was leclerc who was told..correct me if im wrong..

[bonzo]

it was leclerc who was told..correct me if im wrong..

May be, not sure but angry anyway.

[KimiBot]

Poles
Charles 4
Ham 4
Bot 4

So Seb takes out Hamilton in next few races and Charles wins, and we have exciting season end ahead. :-D

[KimiBot]

Be happy guys atleast we got pole! what if HAM is faster and got pole? which do you prefer we got pole at the expense of error or got beaten up by MERC?

Yeah, I was happy that they messed up that last run.

[JChan]

Yeah, I was happy that they messed up that last run.

But For me I will not count it in in our records books (like the one Schumi wins in US GP way back with only bridgestone tire compete, all the Michelin tire withdraw from that race) because everybody misjudge the timing no competition it's just an easy pole... i'm not a MERC mentality that will accept easy POLE or easy win from FIA help of cheating!

[wappad]

But For me I will not count it in in our records books because everybody misjudge the timing no competition it's just an easy pole... i'm not a MERC mentality that will accept easy POLE or easy win from FIA help of cheating!

Cheating :roll ?

[JChan]

Cheating :roll ?

Why? how do you define the FIA help with MERC team? is it not cheating? when Ferrari collide or block with Merc automatic penalty while Merc or RB collide or block a FERRARI no investigation needed! Is that a fair competition?

[tifosi1993]

Looking at the replays, Hulk, Stroll and Sainz, all three of them are responsible for today's clown show. They were blocking everyone at Curva Grande.

Also Vettel was upset on his RTL interview, but I don't get his reasoning. First of all, he didn't give Leclerc any toe at their first run, so I don't see any reason for Leclerc to sacrifice his lap just to give Vettel some toe.

And the second point, he is pretty lucky to keep his lap times, because we all saw he was all wheel off track and his lap times should've been deleted. I am pretty sure if the roles were reversed and if it was Hamilton in Vettel's place, the usual suspects here would've kept on rambling about their mindless maFIA conspiracy.

[Rishu]

Yeah, Vettel lucky if he keeps P4

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[wappad]

Why? how do you define the FIA help with MERC team? is it not cheating? when Ferrari collide or block with Merc automatic penalty while Merc or RB collide or block a FERRARI no investigation needed! Is that a fair competition?


Sorry, misunderstood you :-)

Nothing wrong with Leclercs pole today or..? :-D

[Hornet]

Looking at the replays, Hulk, Stroll and Sainz, all three of them are responsible for today's clown show. They were blocking everyone at Curva Grande.

Also Vettel was upset on his RTL interview, but I don't get his reasoning. First of all, he didn't give Leclerc any toe at their first run, so I don't see any reason for Leclerc to sacrifice his lap just to give Vettel some toe.

And the second point, he is pretty lucky to keep his lap times, because we all saw he was all wheel off track and his lap times should've been deleted. I am pretty sure if the roles were reversed and if it was Hamilton in Vettel's place, the usual suspects here would've kept on rambling about their mindless maFIA conspiracy.

No, going offtrack is not a hard rule.
Actions are only taken if its deemed to be advantageous.

[tifosi1993]

https://streamable.com/fllst

So Vettel had all the track ahead of him, but he kept on playing "give me the toe" game with Sainz. It was your own damn fault Sebastian, stop blaming everyone else.

[tifosi1993]

No, going offtrack is not a hard rule.
Actions are only taken if its deemed to be advantageous.

Well since his S3 time was the fastest, I'd say he did gained advantage by going off track.

[Rishu]

No, going offtrack is not a hard rule.
Actions are only taken if its deemed to be advantageous.

I’m sure this was discussed in drivers briefing. Others driver’s times were deleted when they went all four wheels off at Parabolica, advantage or no advantage

I think they also deleted Charles lap in FP3

[ferrari1.8t]

Hulkenberg should be thrown at the back of the grid, he has ruined everyone's lap.

Hamilton blaming Ferrari of course, saying we timed everyone out to keep pole. Cry baby isn’t on pole and it’s everyone else’s fault. Pathetic.

[racingbradley]

I must admit I am on tender hooks until we know what the stewards decide about the antics of Q3.
I guess what worries me most is that Derek warwick is the driver steward this weekend and he's never been our friend. He's more likely to favour Merc and Ham.
Fingers crossed everyone ::pray

[tifosi1993]

Hamilton blaming Ferrari of course, saying we timed everyone out to keep pole. Cry baby isn’t on pole and it’s everyone else’s fault. Pathetic.

Yeah saw that. It's not like anybody was preventing him from going earlier. And the amount of time the Merc do the fake pit stops, and he's talking about interesting tactics. :rotfl

[stefa]

maybe they should just go back to the old format, one driver at a time.

No! That was the most boring and stupid thing ever!

[FranksterGM]

No! That was the most boring and stupid thing ever!

Go back to the old old ways.
Unlimited tires, unlimited testing. V8, V10 and V12 engines.

Qualifying - open session whomever sets the fastest lap.

[chinmay]

Poor Seb, fastest driver of weekend ended up P4 because everyone else got tow.

Vettel:

anyways happy with the car, the qualifying was good, the car was very, very good.

I had a really good lap, I just had no tow so that's the difference between pole and not pole today.

[tifosi1993]

Poor Seb, fastest driver of weekend ended up P4 because everyone else got tow.

Vettel:

Yeah Leclerc was ahead in all qualifying session but somehow Vettel was faster. :lol Talk about blind fanboy logic...

He is lucky to be starting from P4, after going 4-wheel off the track at Parabolica and gaining a huge advantage.

[paolo lalli]

May be with the weather and maybe rain there will be plenty of tows in the form of tow trucks.

[FerrariF60]

Yeah Leclerc was ahead in all qualifying session but somehow Vettel was faster. :lol Talk about blind fanboy logic...

He is lucky to be starting from P4, after going 4-wheel off the track at Parabolica and gaining a huge advantage.


^yeah this.....totally agree

[stefa]

Go back to the old old ways.
Unlimited tires, unlimited testing. V8, V10 and V12 engines.

Qualifying - open session whomever sets the fastest lap.

:thumb:clap

[paolo lalli]

Charles does it again no doubting that young man's ability.Nice to see him being a needle in Hamilton's side.Now for the race win.

[wisepie]

I must admit I am on tender hooks until we know what the stewards decide about the antics of Q3.
I guess what worries me most is that Derek warwick is the driver steward this weekend and he's never been our friend. He's more likely to favour Merc and Ham.
Fingers crossed everyone ::pray

I thought the same, Warwick has often been a thorn in Ferrari's side but so far no mention of Seb's white line 'infringement', and after the mess that was Q3, it wouldn't surprise me if the top 7 all got penalties for being naughty boys. But Charles is currently on pole with it all to do tomorrow, and Merc and HAM are now blaming Ferrari for orchestrating it! Keeping everything crossed for tomorrow and hope it's not too wet.:pray

[Arcana]

Seb should stop complaining. He's been slower that Charles most of the year, even in Germany in the wet he was no match to Charles but what paid dividends there was a rare moment of managing to keep it on track, not in the barriers.

So tomorrow: if it rains, it will be the usual lottery, even Max will have a chance of a win. If it's dry, no chance to keep Lewis behind. We had some luck in Spa(Max crash) and Seb managed to delay Lewis a bit, but with no 1-2 in front, I think our chances at a win a close to zero.

[mike38mike]

Did anyone notice that yellow and red flag appeared before Bottas could set his lap in Q3. Yet he is credited with the 3rd time of quali, which I dont understand...For like 5minutes he appeared on screen as no time set, and theb all of a sudden he was 3rd...

[chinmay]

Did anyone notice that yellow and red flag appeared before Bottas could set his lap in Q3. Yet he is credited with the 3rd time of quali, which I dont understand...For like 5minutes he appeared on screen as no time set, and theb all of a sudden he was 3rd...

Yeah I noticed that too, he had completed most of his lap and then red flag so I thought he jumped into pits but after few minutes, all of a sudden he improved without being on track. What probably happened was the incident which caused yellow flag was in Sector 1 or 2 or behind him in Sector 3 and driver can complete lap if he is ahead of yellow flag. He completed it and then red flag occurred but the lap time updation only took place minutes later.

[chinmay]

Seb will most probably start anywhere from P7 to P10. This is bad because Ferrari has worked on race pace this weekend, sacrificed qualifying speed for better race setup.

[Ferrarichamp]

Seb will most probably start anywhere from P7 to P10. This is bad because Ferrari has worked on race pace this weekend, sacrificed qualifying speed for better race setup.

is he under investigation?

[chinmay]

Yeah Leclerc was ahead in all qualifying session but somehow Vettel was faster. :lol Talk about blind fanboy logic...

He is lucky to be starting from P4, after going 4-wheel off the track at Parabolica and gaining a huge advantage.

Position is determined in Q3 not in Q1 or Q2. Ever heard about tow? Tow in Monza is worth 3 tenths, Vettel without a tow was less than 2 tenths slower than Leclerc who got a perfect tow, admitted by Leclerc himself.

[chinmay]

is he under investigation?

Called by stewards.

[tifosi1993]

Position is determined in Q3 not in Q1 or Q2. Ever heard about tow? Tow in Monza is worth 3 tenths, Vettel without a tow was less than 2 tenths slower than Leclerc who got a perfect tow, admitted by Leclerc himself.

Toe is irreverent when you can go off track, gain an advantage and still keep your time even when it's illegal.

And toe or not toe Leclerc was ahead of Vettel in Q1, Q2 and most importantly Q3, yes we know position is determined in Q3 that's why Leclerc is on pole.

And Vettel never gave Leclerc any toe so don't know why he is crying about it.

[Rob]

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[Rob]

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[Rob]

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[chinmay]

Good news, Vettel cleared by stewards. He will start P4.

[chinmay]

Toe is irreverent when you can go off track, gain an advantage and still keep your time even when it's illegal.

And toe or not toe Leclerc was ahead of Vettel in Q1, Q2 and most importantly Q3, yes we know position is determined in Q3 that's why Leclerc is on pole.

And Vettel never gave Leclerc any toe so don't know why he is crying about it.

Leclerc:

To be completely honest the plan was that in the first run Seb was giving me the tow and in the second run I would give him the tow.

Leclerc got tow in first run, Vettel didn't in second run.

Hulkenberg has now in fact said that tow in Monza is worth half a second!

[Tifoso Svedese]

No penalty for Seb, great news.

Let's just hope both cars get solid getaways and that we are 1-3 or so after the second chicane. Hopefully Vettel has enough pace to stay within Hammy's undercut window if he pits a bit early, which could really help during the medium stint for Leclerc's chances to win this one.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc:


Leclerc got tow in first run, Vettel didn't in second run.

Hulkenberg has now in fact said that tow in Monza is worth half a second!

You should go and watch the first laps of Q3 again. Yes Leclerc did get toe, but not from Vettel. There was a car (I think it was Ricciardo's Renault) between Vettel and Leclerc.

Also Vettel didn't wait around for Leclerc, he just drove away and did his lap. And Leclerc finished his first Q3 lap 7-8 seconds after Vettel's.

[Vettel165]

Dirty play by Charles, very unhappy with him. Especially what Seb did to him in Spa to help him. Seb was the true pole-man today, if he had the tow, just 0,15 behind... A big shame to team, could have been 1-2, if Charles wasnt egoistic. Dont like it one bit.

[Schumir9]

Yeah Leclerc was ahead in all qualifying session but somehow Vettel was faster. :lol Talk about blind fanboy logic...

He is lucky to be starting from P4, after going 4-wheel off the track at Parabolica and gaining a huge advantage.

FIA should have deleted his laptime immediately don't know what took them so long to review it.

Having said that I have noticed a trend in your posts.. You tend to hate vettel alot and have bias in your posts. Not surprised why you never mentioned vettel wasn't the one with tow in Qualy sessions plus the tow vettel supposedly didn't give Charles? Charles got a double tow off vettel and the Renault infront of him. Why wouldn't he be annoyed? He knew he had pole in his grasp why would he pass everyone and go when the protocol was to be behind Charles. Clearly missed the footage where hulkenberg and sainz act like a road block and Vettel is waving his hands at them hoping they move so he can get passed? Once he did he slowed down for Charles I would too especially when I know I can get pole. You reflect everything that is wrong with fan boys like chinmay u stir up hate and show bias. Then post with the numbers acting like a seasoned veteran.

[Schumir9]

You should go and watch the first laps of Q3 again. Yes Leclerc did get toe, but not from Vettel. There was a car (I think it was Ricciardo's Renault) between Vettel and Leclerc.

Also Vettel didn't wait around for Leclerc, he just drove away and did his lap. And Leclerc finished his first Q3 lap 7-8 seconds after Vettel's.

Double tow alas Kimi from last year. Once you punch a hole in the air at a track like Monza the gain is as far back as 7-8 seconds too.

[Schumir9]

Dirty play by Charles, very unhappy with him. Especially what Seb did to him in Spa to help him. Seb was the true pole-man today, if he had the tow, just 0,15 behind... A big shame to team, could have been 1-2, if Charles wasnt egoistic. Dont like it one bit.

Nothing dirty about it. Team could have let their drivers out earlier you clearly missed what a messy q3 it was.

[Greig]

Dirty play by Charles, very unhappy with him. Especially what Seb did to him in Spa to help him. Seb was the true pole-man today, if he had the tow, just 0,15 behind... A big shame to team, could have been 1-2, if Charles wasnt egoistic. Dont like it one bit.

Ah well Seb knows about dirty plays so I am sure he will get over it :-) not that Charles played dirty today anyway.....

[tifosi1993]

FIA should have deleted his laptime immediately don't know what took them so long to review it.

Having said that I have noticed a trend in your posts.. You tend to hate vettel alot and have bias in your posts. Not surprised why you never mentioned vettel wasn't the one with tow in Qualy sessions plus the tow vettel supposedly didn't give Charles? Charles got a double tow off vettel and the Renault infront of him. Why wouldn't he be annoyed? He knew he had pole in his grasp why would he pass everyone and go when the protocol was to be behind Charles. Clearly missed the footage where hulkenberg and sainz act like a road block and Vettel is waving his hands at them hoping they move so he can get passed? Once he did he slowed down for Charles I would too especially when I know I can get pole. You reflect everything that is wrong with fan boys like chinmay u stir up hate and show bias. Then post with the numbers acting like a seasoned veteran.

I don't hate Vettel, nor do I like him. F1 is a sport just like any other. And as a team fan, I am always going to annoyed by those who's holding Ferrari back or not delivering results because of stupid mistakes. We all know what Vettel did last few years, when he had the car but didn't deliver, and we all know the reasons. I get it, it must be hard for Vettel fans to understand it, since all they care about is Vettel, not Ferrari.

And I am seeing Vettel fans here always undermining Leclerc's performances. Delusional fanboys with their nonsense bickering, why not just admit that the faster driver got the pole today. And you talk about double tow, Vettel was 7 seconds ahead on the track, so it is impossible for Leclerc to get any tow from Vettel.

[tifosi1993]

https://youtu.be/6LCS-7gJ57s

Leclerc's pole lap. As anyone with functioning brain cells can see, Leclerc didn't get any "double tow". Hell, I'd say he got hindered in S2 because of the dirty air.

[racingbradley]

Go back to the old old ways.
Unlimited tires, unlimited testing. V8, V10 and V12 engines.

Qualifying - open session whomever sets the fastest lap.

I agree with you. All of these so called savings are ruining the sport as we knwe it.
Don't forget refuelling.:-D

[KimiBot]

https://youtu.be/6LCS-7gJ57s

Leclerc's pole lap. As anyone with functioning brain cells can see, Leclerc didn't get any "double tow". Hell, I'd say he got hindered in S2 because of the dirty air.

Thanks, I was really enjoying that, really smooth driving.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I wonder what Charles' victory chances really are. 30-40 % maybe? It's definitely going to be a tricky second stint if he makes it that far in the lead. Hopefully he can pull away three seconds or so in the first stint so it doesn't become like Kimi's sitting duck position last year.

[IulianFerrari]

Ah well Seb knows about dirty plays so I am sure he will get over it :-) not that Charles played dirty today anyway.....

Multi 2-1

[paolo lalli]

The start will be interesting vetals in a good position to get a good tow down the strait will be interesting possible turn 1 carnage.

[nani_s23]

Wt a forum is this ????
We keep ferrari as a logo & cheer. Now for each driver who are driving for our team, we fight irrespective of who took the pole.

Senseless... where are these guys 2yrs ago who are admiring Charles Leclerc now ?? Haven’t they cheered for vettel then?
Where are these guys vettel fan boys when he had disastrous year at RB?

I’ll give you a simple logic with such guys who are diver fans instead of team.
When Alonso was speaking of ferrari in a different way, they wanted him out.
When vettel arrived at ferrari & kimi not performing, they wanted kimi out.
When Lec & max arrived, they want vettel out & max in.
If next year or in couple of years Lec or max doesn’t perform, they want new star again.
These kind of people don’t remember that it the same drivers once they once cheered for & now calling that driver as stupid etc...... listening comments from them seems to be like they aren’t true ferrari fans.

[From Treviso]

One idea to prevent this from happening at SPA and Monza again, is to give the leading car a lap time reduction by the average tow time benefit, but minus a 10th of a second benefit to prevent all the drivers from wanting to lead the pack.

[Tony]

https://youtu.be/6LCS-7gJ57s

Leclerc's pole lap. As anyone with functioning brain cells can see, Leclerc didn't get any "double tow". Hell, I'd say he got hindered in S2 because of the dirty air.

Is it just me or does he lift right before he crosses the line??

[ferrari1.8t]

Is it just me or does he lift right before he crosses the line??

I thought the exact same thing? :Hmm

[Hornet]

Wt a forum is this ????
We keep ferrari as a logo & cheer. Now for each driver who are driving for our team, we fight irrespective of who took the pole.

Senseless... where are these guys 2yrs ago who are admiring Charles Leclerc now ?? Haven’t they cheered for vettel then?
Where are these guys vettel fan boys when he had disastrous year at RB?

I’ll give you a simple logic with such guys who are diver fans instead of team.
When Alonso was speaking of ferrari in a different way, they wanted him out.
When vettel arrived at ferrari & kimi not performing, they wanted kimi out.
When Lec & max arrived, they want vettel out & max in.
If next year or in couple of years Lec or max doesn’t perform, they want new star again.
These kind of people don’t remember that it the same drivers once they once cheered for & now calling that driver as stupid etc...... listening comments from them seems to be like they aren’t true ferrari fans.

Unfortunately, there will always be people criticizing the other driver in any team support.
Not surprising though, as at the end of the day, F1 is still a driver centric sport.

For me, supporting a dominant driver Schumi had spoil me. But over the years, I'm learning to appreciate and support our drivers, whoever they may be.
Max, Lewis, they may be good, but they are not driving for us, maybe never will, so it matters not how good they are, we've still go to kick their rear.

[Brembo]

Ferrari taking Seb in as #1 driver had all to do with his 4WDCs @ R Bull. Getting a seat @ Ferrari does in fact have all to do with how a driver does while driving with the enemy. As of now 2019 it's Charles and Seb who I want to win the rest of the races . But if and when there's a change , who other than Max or Lewis would be the better choice? If Ferrari fans could and did forgive and forget Seb's finger waving and beating Ferrari; and welcome him with open arms , 'm sure " Who's on First !' should be the next welcomed driver ; when it happens. Ferrari
fans criticizing the other drivers is actually praising them if their beating our guys. My biggest fear are team orders which Ferrari just can stop doing, with regards to which driver gets the #1 seat. I hope Charles retires #1 with Ferrari no matter who is with him in the future. He deserves the best ! Meanwhile R Bull's Albon is 8th and Max in the back. If not for his penalty we'd probably have Max in 4th ready to crash his way to the front. I'm sure Lewis is relieved.

[mike38mike]

Yeah I noticed that too, he had completed most of his lap and then red flag so I thought he jumped into pits but after few minutes, all of a sudden he improved without being on track. What probably happened was the incident which caused yellow flag was in Sector 1 or 2 or behind him in Sector 3 and driver can complete lap if he is ahead of yellow flag. He completed it and then red flag occurred but the lap time updation only took place minutes later.

I'm pretty sure it was yellow and red flag caused by Raikkonen in last corner, so that would be S3.
Mercs were behind him.
Ham was very close to him (as we can see on the onboard footage), in fact he was so close that I thought he would lose time in S3, but he obviously stayed flat out.
But Bottas was further away and the flag was out before he completed S3, and judging by his time in S3 he clearly didn't slow down.
Anyways, I'm sure FIA would have a very interesting explanation to that...

[stefa]

I've seen on one weather forecast that rain at Monza is to fall by 14:00 and than clear sky and Sun for the rest of the day.

[Nomore]

Is it raining?

[nani_s23]

Unfortunately, there will always be people criticizing the other driver in any team support.
Not surprising though, as at the end of the day, F1 is still a driver centric sport.

For me, supporting a dominant driver Schumi had spoil me. But over the years, I'm learning to appreciate and support our drivers, whoever they may be.
Max, Lewis, they may be good, but they are not driving for us, maybe never will, so it matters not how good they are, we've still go to kick their rear.

I tend to agree with that. Even I’m huge fan of Schumi, but at the same time I was counting on Rubens too.
It was totally a team support.

But now when I see posts from each individual who quote themselves as ferrari fans, make senseless comments on our drivers. Whether it’s vettel/Leclerc etc. they want one of the driver to be out of the team.

It’s not that you shouldn’t point out driver mistakes, everyone is entitled to say so. But it’s just going over the broad & getting to one sided.

Tomorrow these intellectuals who called other drivers as future star/ rising star/burning star of F1 where would they go when his/her star driver doesn’t perform?

For me ferrari comes first then their drivers.
It’s drivers dream to drive for ferrari, not that ferrari runs behind drivers in the market.

[Ferrarichamp]

Is it raining?

I think it's just cloudy right now.

[wisepie]

Unfortunately, there will always be people criticizing the other driver in any team support.
Not surprising though, as at the end of the day, F1 is still a driver centric sport.

For me, supporting a dominant driver Schumi had spoil me. But over the years, I'm learning to appreciate and support our drivers, whoever they may be.
Max, Lewis, they may be good, but they are not driving for us, maybe never will, so it matters not how good they are, we've still go to kick their rear.

I am guilty of usually having a favourite driver in our team, but I am sick of the criticism levelled at Seb. I didn't like him at RB but that changed when he arrived at Ferrari and immediately got results with a car he could trust. Charles is the future and I am a huge supporter of his, but let's not forget that we have two drivers, both capable of delivering when the car is up to it. Would I rather have Seb getting a penalty for his white line infringement in quali? No, he got away with it but would likely be disqualified if he were to win at Monza today!:roll

[nani_s23]

What about Ham, bottas & mercs team doing cheap tactics?? In Q3 1st lap, they are the first to get out & by seeing both ferrari cars behind them. They did stop at pit entry on the name of practice start & allowed ferrari cars so that they can get double tow.

If you are confident enough go straightforward & get the pole. That’s what Leclerc did it in spa, don’t care about slipstream will go & do it.

These fake pit stops, cheap tricks by mercs they are just spoiling the F1 & these will be directives again for the team whoever dominates during next Reg change.

[Brembo]

I am guilty of usually having a favourite driver in our team, but I am sick of the criticism levelled at Seb. I didn't like him at RB but that changed when he arrived at Ferrari and immediately got results with a car he could trust. Charles is the future and I am a huge supporter of his, but let's not forget that we have two drivers, both capable of delivering when the car is up to it. Would I rather have Seb getting a penalty for his white line infringement in quali? No, he got away with it but would likely be disqualified if he were to win at Monza today!:roll

Well said indeed. I for one am still and will always be unhappy,mad , sad, at the way Rubens was treated while driving for Michael in a Ferrari. Rubens had one fan here at the time, me. Cursed and called names by Ferrari fans left and right. As you have well said here, lets not ever forget we have two drivers .

[458 Italia]

I would like to know why Bottas' time suddenly appeared after his first run despite the red flag coming out before he crossed the line and also why were they saying that Sainz was the only one that reached the line before time ran out and the chequred flag waved when the graphics showed that Charles beat the flag as well?

[nani_s23]

I would like to know why Bottas' time suddenly appeared after his first run despite the red flag coming out before he crossed the line and also why were they saying that Sainz was the only one that reached the line before time ran out and the chequred flag waved when the graphics showed that Charles beat the flag as well?

Bottas lap was counted because, there was no official confirmation of Red-flag by FIA it was just a Red-flag wave by Marshall before crossing the chequered line. Bottas got off by very very thin margin else there was no chance for him.

[wisepie]

Well said indeed. I for one am still and will always be unhappy,mad , sad, at the way Rubens was treated while driving for Michael in a Ferrari. Rubens had one fan here at the time, me. Cursed and called names by Ferrari fans left and right. As you have well said here, lets not ever forget we have two drivers .

Obrigado, Brembo, but after another bad day at Monza today, Seb needs to stop spinning so often, the car may not be to his liking but he surely should be able to adapt like a true champion. Felipe was always mine and your favourite while he was at Ferrari and he got equally scorned when he made mistakes, these drivers need very thick skin when it comes to letting the tifosi down!;-)