Russian GP 2019 Race

[nani_s23]

Q: The race started well, a torpedo start.

Vettel: Yeah, don't mention torpedo around Russia. Because I have bad memories with Kvyat crashing into me

:rotfl

[nani_s23]

Leclerc says he saw no reason to fight Vettel at the start: "I trusted completely that we would swap after". Said earlier the trust is still there with Vettel despite today

Vettel version:
Vettel believes he honoured Ferrari pre-race agreement
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-leclerc-agreement-russia-ferrari/4550221/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Vettel: I don’t know exactly what happened there to be honest. I think we had an agreement, I spoke in particular with Charles before he race, I think it was quite clear. But I don’t know, maybe I missed something. Bitter today because we wanted to have 1&2.

Mattia Binotto version:
Binotto: "Seb had a fantastic start, he overtook Hamilton already before in Turn 1, Charles didn't give him the slipstream but Seb took it. We asked Seb to give the position because that was the agreement."

[nani_s23]

#AMuS Suzuka is now the the ultimate test for Ferrari.

Vettel: "For us it's the ultimate test of how the latest upgrades work and how much closer we are to Mercedes."

[tifosi1993]

It's pretty simple, if Vettel really wants to control the race by leading upfront, he should qualify on pole.

And to Ferrari, stop making things complicated. The driver with more points, wins, poles and podiums should be the defacto number 1 driver. And the driver who qualifies on pole should always get the optimal strategy. Enough with the nonsense.

[nani_s23]

Whether you think it’s a fuss over nothing or Multi 516, one thing is certain; Ferrari’s drivers don’t agree on what was agreed before today’s race.

Ferrari have got a car capable of fighting for wins for the rest of the year. Their fight is with Mercedes. Not with themselves.

[nani_s23]

It's pretty simple, if Vettel really wants to control the race by leading upfront, he should qualify on pole.

And to Ferrari, stop making things complicated. The driver with more points, wins, poles and podiums should be the defacto number 1 driver. And the driver who qualifies on pole should always get the optimal strategy. Enough with the nonsense.

I have a question here in the above case which you mentioned.
Example: If anyone of our driver Lec/vet took the pole n leading the race, 2nd position driver who is a team-mate lapping faster than leader. 3rd position driver from mercs is keeping pressure on 2nd position. What would the Ferrari team do ??
Taken into account, none of our drivers are fighting for WDC.
As per your statement, let leader control the race who is leading the points & sacrifice P2???

[nani_s23]

AMuS Vettel could face a engine penalty after his technical issue today. But not immediately in Suzuka.

Binotto: "Sebastian still has an intact control unit. If it was really only that..."

[tifosi1993]

The fact is, the fiasco in Monza didn't change the end result. Ferrari won that race with the better driver, Vettel on the other hand spun and earned himself 0 point. 100% his fault.

But today was different, thanks to the strategy he goes from P3 to P1. Anyone can see the race start, Leclerc didn't put up any fight whatsoever, he didn't even cover the inside line. It was a easy sailing for Vettel, and after that he refused to play his part.

Without the strategy, Leclerc would've fought hard to defend his position, as he has done in previous races.

[sreekant]

how many times will safety cars and protocols decide racing and championships in F1?? it's bizzare and not racing anymore...Hammy is in a sweet spot to win all this!

[sreekant]

it's VSC wins!

[sreekant]

Ferrari needs to use their veto power for 2021 regs...otherwise this is not racing!

[sreekant]

we need to remove pitting under VSC without losing position, it's just not fair!

[KimiBot]

It's pretty simple, if Vettel really wants to control the race by leading upfront, he should qualify on pole.

And to Ferrari, stop making things complicated. The driver with more points, wins, poles and podiums should be the defacto number 1 driver. And the driver who qualifies on pole should always get the optimal strategy. Enough with the nonsense.

Someone did say here yesterday, that Seb had setup in quali more for race and Charles had setup for quali. that would explain why Charles was so fast yesterday and so slow today

[sreekant]

coz this is luck and not perfomance, a person puts the max to be in front, only to be destroyed by VSC rules and wins championships!

[tifosi1993]

I have a question here in the above case which you mentioned.
Example: If anyone of our driver Lec/vet took the pole n leading the race, 2nd position driver who is a team-mate lapping faster than leader. 3rd position driver from mercs is keeping pressure on 2nd position. What would the Ferrari team do ??
Taken into account, none of our drivers are fighting for WDC.
As per your statement, let leader control the race who is leading the points & sacrifice P2???

We already had that scenario in Bahrain. If the leading driver lapping slower, then tell him to pick up the pace for a couple of laps. If he still can't, then swap the position.

But today's race was different. First, Charles couldn't fight Vettel at the start because of Ferrari's strategy, and after that didn't get his position back. There was no reason to follow Vettel closely and destroy his tyres.

And my statement is pretty simple, the driver who did better job should get the number 1 status. And the driver who qualifies on pole, should always get the optimal strategy.

[sreekant]

we got robbed off a a win in canada, coz whining hamilton about ethics and how he complained over team radio, how unfortunate! we need to be nasty now...explore options of veto for future! of course our strategists need to get it right too if they want...essere ferrari!

[sreekant]

this is something to look into...

[evo_spook]

how many times will safety cars and protocols decide racing and championships in F1?? it's bizzare and not racing anymore...Hammy is in a sweet spot to win all this!

Did you complain about Vettels Australia win in 2018?

[sreekant]

Hammy will get destroyed soon...he's found his Nemesis! he'll whine lot's more in coming times or jump ship!

[tifosi1993]

Someone did say here yesterday, that Seb had setup in quali more for race and Charles had setup for quali. that would explain why Charles was so fast yesterday and so slow today

Who ever that someone is, his/her opinion doesn't matter to me. I don't think Ferrari sharing their car setup data with some random forum member here. No F1 driver is going to setup their car for just the one lap pace, while ignoring the race setup.
And it doesn't explain Spa or Monza. Unless you think Vettel had some hidden pace which he couldn't show for some unknown reason.

IMO, Canada was the only race where Vettel had clear pace advantage over Charles.

[sreekant]

Hammy is the luckiest winner of championships...delivered on a platter due to unfortunate bizzare rules and propoganda!

[evo_spook]

Who ever that someone is, his/her opinion doesn't matter to me. I don't think Ferrari sharing their car setup data with some random forum member here. No F1 driver is going to setup their car for just the one lap pace, while ignoring the race setup.
And it doesn't explain Spa or Monza. Unless you think Vettel had some hidden pace which he couldn't show for some unknown reason.

IMO, Canada was the only race where Vettel had clear pace advantage over Charles.

You do set up cars for qualifying or race.
A lot depends on setting up for oversteer or understeer, one will be faster in qualifying but come race it will wear the tyres more.

[KimiBot]

Who ever that someone is, his/her opinion doesn't matter to me. I don't think Ferrari sharing their car setup data with some random forum member here. No F1 driver is going to setup their car for just the one lap pace, while ignoring the race setup.
And it doesn't explain Spa or Monza. Unless you think Vettel had some hidden pace which he couldn't show for some unknown reason.

IMO, Canada was the only race where Vettel had clear pace advantage over Charles.

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/34269-Russian-GP-2019-Race?p=1019168#post1019168

[sreekant]

and the misfortunes of ferrari! hammy get's away with it...he does not have the grunt like charles!

[sreekant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmvZyC6s_Wk

[tifosi1993]

You do set up cars for qualifying or race.
A lot depends on setting up for oversteer or understeer, one will be faster in qualifying but come race it will wear the tyres more.

At Spa, Charles was 7 tenths ahead of Vettel in qualifying, plus he was faster on race pace. Same with Monza, so that theory doesn't hold any water.

[SilverSpeed]

Seb needs to learn his place.

Ferrari >>> 2 drivers.

I wonder how much longer when Charles decides to do the same and we get a Ham - Ros situation.

[evo_spook]

Seb needs to learn his place.

Ferrari >>> 2 drivers.

I wonder how much longer when Charles decides to do the same and we get a Ham - Ros situation.


Either that or Vettel is joining red bull next year

[tifosi1993]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/34269-Russian-GP-2019-Race?p=1019168#post1019168

Yeah no wonder. :lol

Here's what Leclerc said on Friday


You have to find a good compromise in the set-up, which will allow you to post the best lap time without sacrificing your race pace. We tested a bit in both directions today and I think we found our way.

As I said, no F1 driver will sacrifice their race pace for the pole position. It's always about compromise, having the perfect balance between car's ultimate pace (one lap pace) and race pace (looking after the tyres).

[KimiBot]

I do not know, but like I said, that would explain why Charles was so slow today-

[Vettel165]

Move on to Japan this one is finished. A poor day we had end of the story. All eyes on 2020 this season is done.

[Vettel165]

From autosport forum a real joke and sad reality
F1 is not about order (at one point of the race), it's about being fastest around the track, they gifted 5 seconds to Mercedes with the lead car. Which sane team does that?

[darkchild]

Seems for now only CE is gone for Seb so he should have Germany unit in car and no grid pen.

[sreekant]

Upset, but we look forward! i think charles lost it mentally when his position was not given to him / he's young and hot blooded...i like seb, but he needs to pull it together...we could've had a chance if vet let charles pass and then DNF under safety car

[sreekant]

Even toto admits that they won coz of vet's DNF and safety car!

[sreekant]

and of course Hammy has a wingman to win!

[sreekant]

what a farce of F1 and true racing for championships!

[Stormsearcher]

Just let them race, please Mattia. You CANNOT control two top guys in a team. Impossible if you dont have car 2s infront of the rest (McL with Senna and Prost for example).

These will be on eachother throat very soon because of these stupid team orders. Charles built a gap to Seb worth 3.5s in Singapore. Team undercuts Leclerc and gives better strat to Seb for 1-2.

What happens here? They want Charles not to break a tow and tow Seb infront of Ham. cL doesnt even fight into T1 and then stays for 4-5 laps inside 1.5s of Seb fighting to get past, ruining his tires.

Vettle knew damn well what he was doing. He wanted Charles to waste his tires and then say "he is not fast enough, will not let him past".

Always knew this would happen. Neither of these two want to play team game. Never have, never will. Just let them race like RB ffs...

Agree with this post.
Sounds like the team wanted to play fair after singapore, but Seb had other ideas.
Charles is learning how cut throat it is going to be at the top. He should have remembered multi-21 before agreeing to this plan.
Anyways, 3rd is still not bad. Just bad considering he could have won.

[Stormsearcher]

Was a VSC because marshalls needed to enter the circuit to remove the car, that's the standard. It's not the first or last time it will happen so maybe you should just get used to it.

i think hes just riling you up. Hes been repeating the same thing for the last 16 pages. not to mention "ad hominem". Must be todays word in class.

[Tifoso Svedese]

i think hes just riling you up. Hes been repeating the same thing for the last 16 pages. not to mention "ad hominem". Must be todays word in class.

I stand by everything I said and then some. We were robbed today and it's not the first time this has happened either.

[DelMar]

Vettel passed Hamilton way before slipstream effects would have gotten into effect.

Also when he pulled out of Leclerc's slipstream, he was along the pit exit; also way before the corner at the end of straight. He got P1 because he got a great start not because Lerlerc particularly helped him apart from the unavoidable slipstream.

7652

Race highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Pn2bII_sg

[paolo lalli]

Weather we like it or not f1 needs a major shake up with the rules why would mid field teams continue with this circus of formula 1.Every race weekend it's the same story mercedes vs Ferrari then others.The sport is in trouble and it's loosing it's appeal and fans.Liberty media know this and time is of the essence .The problem as always is getting the big three to agree and that is bloody hard.May be f1 needs Donald trump to do the negotiating because at the moment it is rather pathetic reminds me of school kids in the play area during a break total chaos.

[da_one]

Hammy is the luckiest winner of championships...delivered on a platter due to unfortunate bizzare rules and propoganda!

He has sold his soul to the devil 6 times already ;-)

[darkchild]

Vettel passed Hamilton way before slipstream effects would have gotten into effect.

Also when he pulled out of Leclerc's slipstream, he was along the pit exit; also way before the corner at the end of straight. He got P1 because he got a great start not because Lerlerc particularly helped him apart from the unavoidable slipstream.

7652

Race highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Pn2bII_sg

But thats the thing it was avoidable in a sense. He would almost certainly go taking inside line and defend it hard. Instead he gave perfect tow, didnt try to break it and gave inside line of T1

Vettel took it and played snart later by saying "he is too far" around 1.4s at lap 9 when he was last tine asked to give position. He DIDINT hold on agreement they had and under which Leclerc operates (never moved inside during the run up to T1 nor taking inside line to defend).

[Ferrarichamp]

Ferrari have not won the Japanese GP since 2004 :-E
I hope we can put that right.

[Vettel165]

I love Ferrari and all, but the fact is they been destroying new or old drivers talents since 2007. They destroyed Massa with his bad treatement, Alonso self-destruct with his temperament, they destroyed Kimi as an old second driver, and are about to destroy Seb, next is probably Charles on the list sadly. With this management we will never win the title again, there is a reason why Ferrari didnt win for 13 years now. With bad strategy they cost Massa the title in 2008 (Singapore), I was very angry back than, they cost Alonso the title in Abu Dhabi and many more.

Yes FERRARI is a team with amazing passion, but would take the better and more relaxed team environment as it is in RBR, Mercedes any day of the week. Its much easier for Hamilton to work in peace as Seb, who is always under pressure. Ferrari is the team with the most in-pressure, most of that pressure we dont even know and see. Sad reality.

[f412]

i suggest if there are any people who came here because of vettel.. to slowly pull out of this forum... cause it looks like its gonna get ugly in here... before vettel it was kimi bashing... now its vettel... after couple of years if mick shumacher shows up and he is good.. then its leccy turn to be bashed... thats how things work in here... they will just call any guy "daddy" if he pleases them. and when new guy shows up..then he is daddy.

[Vettel165]

i suggest if there are any people who came here because of vettel.. to slowly pull out of this forum... cause it looks like its gonna get ugly in here... before vettel it was kimi bashing... now its vettel... after couple of years if mick shumacher shows up and he is good.. then its leccy turn to be bashed... thats how things work in here... they will just call any guy "daddy" if he pleases them. and when new guy shows up..then he is daddy.

Agree!:thumb

[f412]

the whole agreement things was just B5 , like charles had agreed " i am gonna give seb slipstream but then we will swap later" ... like if he had this button
on his wheel which generated slipstream for vettel...as if he could have not given slipstream if he wanted.... as if he had any other choice.. he knew vettel would have gone past anyway ,and hamilton was not gonna be a threat as he was on mediums... just made sure he talked with team to subject vettel to that,
there was no need for that agreement anyway. hamilton would sure have been outdragged by both ferrarris. ferrarri 1- 2 was a given, but lecccy pulled strings with team to get that agreement.Like he was being the good guy to give seb the tow.. just to save him from hamilton... what a joke...

[f412]

there was a reason why leclerc was nowhere in the driver of the day list.. people just saw through the whole drama.. the whining.. his speech of liberation on the radio... :rotfl "im the sacrificial lamb,...blah blah"... "if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." :clap

[Greig]

I love Ferrari and all, but the fact is they been destroying new or old drivers talents since 2007. They destroyed Massa with his bad treatement, Alonso self-destruct with his temperament, they destroyed Kimi as an old second driver, and are about to destroy Seb, next is probably Charles on the list sadly. With this management we will never win the title again, there is a reason why Ferrari didnt win for 13 years now. With bad strategy they cost Massa the title in 2008 (Singapore), I was very angry back than, they cost Alonso the title in Abu Dhabi and many more.

Yes FERRARI is a team with amazing passion, but would take the better and more relaxed team environment as it is in RBR, Mercedes any day of the week. Its much easier for Hamilton to work in peace as Seb, who is always under pressure. Ferrari is the team with the most in-pressure, most of that pressure we dont even know and see. Sad reality.

Massa got bad treatment? Kimi fans would say it was the other way round, not sure what strategy cost him the title but there was mistakes made by Felipe as well as some technical issues....Ferrari has more pressure than other teams? so what else is new we are the biggest team on the grid and with that comes pressure.

[zamlatuljko]

Well ,

This is very hard to swallow.

Froma possible vitory 1-2 or 1-3 we got only 3.

all this about positions is just good, because you see that everybody want to win. It is better like this to have two drivers constatnly fighting and raising racing bar and performance.


For me looking from brigth side 4 races in row we are excellent in qualy and race trim. Two fast circuits, two street circuits. So we now will se how we are standing in suzuka.

Remember in past when we try to beat merc we are trying different strategies. So now merc is doin that, that is sign that we are very good when merc isnt capaable of win with same strategies:wave

[darkchild]

the whole agreement things was just B5 , like charles had agreed " i am gonna give seb slipstream but then we will swap later" ... like if he had this button
on his wheel which generated slipstream for vettel...as if he could have not given slipstream if he wanted.... as if he had any other choice.. he knew vettel would have gone past anyway ,and hamilton was not gonna be a threat as he was on mediums... just made sure he talked with team to subject vettel to that,
there was no need for that agreement anyway. hamilton would sure have been outdragged by both ferrarris. ferrarri 1- 2 was a given, but lecccy pulled strings with team to get that agreement.Like he was being the good guy to give seb the tow.. just to save him from hamilton... what a joke...
Mate, Leclerc could have tried to break slipstream instead of going straight as an arrow. He could and would go to the inside and therefore force Seb to take inside line for tow, but he would stay inside while Seb would have to move outside before overtake and go there, and its very hard to pull of. Thats why there was a deal in place, Seb knew about it, took advantage and then didn't want to give position back.

Leclerc was in position of guy completely trusting the agreement and Vettel used agreement to prove a point. A bit different from his "Ferrari is bigger then any driver" from Singapore ;-)

[nani_s23]

Mate, Leclerc could have tried to break slipstream instead of going straight as an arrow. He could and would go to the inside and therefore force Seb to take inside line for tow, but he would stay inside while Seb would have to move outside before overtake and go there, and its very hard to pull of. Thats why there was a deal in place, Seb knew about it, took advantage and then didn't want to give position back.

Leclerc was in position of guy completely trusting the agreement and Vettel used agreement to prove a point. A bit different from his "Ferrari is bigger then any driver" from Singapore ;-)

So u say Lec adhere to team & vettel didn’t ??
Then why did vet block Ham in spa ? Then why did vet allowed Charles who was faster in Baku I think so?

You are translating total different scenario here, making vettel as the accused. Don’t know why.
Vettel on the radio said “Charles is not close enough, if he back off now n give place to Lec then I will fall into Ham DRS range so let’s move on n will see it after 10L.” (This message you are not projecting at all).
Vettel built a gap which he is entitled too... he had the pace over Leclerc. Who was struggling to match. (Plz don’t say he was trying to protect his tyres) if that is the case vettel should also protect his tyres for long first stint.

This is where team thought rather than on the track, let’s do it on Pit stop (undercut). Actually undercut doesn’t work out on this track. Lec got first priority (this also you are not projecting, where as In Singapore GP when vettel got first priority you said ferrari did ruin Leclerc win). Lec made it count with fresh set of mediums, at the same time team opted vettel to stay out for longer in order to meet Lec agreement. When vet came out of pit & saw Lec ahead, vettel agreed to it & said it’s ok (this also you are not highlighting it). Even during interview vettel said “there might be a point where position swap is on at the end of the race, but my car didn’t go till that extent”. (Even this one you are not pointing)

Above are the key points in a race.
I appreciate Leclerc for his efforts & at the same time vettel too. But in the race Vettel was faster, at some point he would have caught Lec n there might be another controversy discussion over here.


Every race here in this forum, people are making some controversial statements out of nowhere.
Please calm down, we have two strong drivers who are driving for a win. Not sitting back n watching the show,Appreciate it.
This is just the beginning, let the driver who is faster on the race day win the race whether it’s Lec/vettel.
We don’t want another environment in the team where drivers fight with each other.

[f412]

Mate, Leclerc could have tried to break slipstream instead of going straight as an arrow. He could and would go to the inside and therefore force Seb to take inside line for tow, but he would stay inside while Seb would have to move outside before overtake and go there, and its very hard to pull of. Thats why there was a deal in place, Seb knew about it, took advantage and then didn't want to give position back.

Leclerc was in position of guy completely trusting the agreement and Vettel used agreement to prove a point. A bit different from his "Ferrari is bigger then any driver" from Singapore ;-)

dude just watch the replay of race start.... leclerc never went straight... ham went left..lec went right potentially blocking seb.. and then seb and ham were side by side.. if lec had actually gone straight vet could have immediately gone to the middle and be ahead of hamster, and like you said if lec had gone to the dirty inside earlier just to outdo vettel... he would have been overtaken by seb on the cleaner side of the track...which is the racing line... lec did what he had to drive the car on the fastest line the racing line, seb just had to follow and pull out..at the entry of next corner.

[aroutis]

OK stop, just stop.

There is no use crying over spilt milk. I mean seriously, what is the point of all this ?

There was a perfect storm , the result of this was our ending in P3 and a car not finishing.

Team needs to analyze this, learn from its mistakes - mainly how to deal with the egos of the drivers and pre race tactics , then move on.

[stefa]

OK stop, just stop.

There is no use crying over spilt milk. I mean seriously, what is the point of all this ?

There was a perfect storm , the result of this was our ending in P3 and a car not finishing.

Team needs to analyze this, learn from its mistakes - mainly how to deal with the egos of the drivers and pre race tactics , then move on.

Just big BRAVO for comment!!! :clap

[wappad]

Since summerbreak we have been fighting for victory during all the 4 races starting from pole everyone of them :clap

Despite the disappointment yesterday, it feels fantastic and cannot wait for Japan to come!

Forza Scuderia :thumb

[KimiBot]

Albon was good, starting from pit lane and ended P5, really positive surprise this Albon.

[tifosi1993]

Vettel passed Hamilton way before slipstream effects would have gotten into effect.

Also when he pulled out of Leclerc's slipstream, he was along the pit exit; also way before the corner at the end of straight. He got P1 because he got a great start not because Lerlerc particularly helped him apart from the unavoidable slipstream.

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7652&stc=1

Race highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Pn2bII_sg

And he didn't fight him or covered his inside line. As Binotto said, the plan was to give Vettel the slipstream and not fight him at the start. And Leclerc kept his end of the bargain, didn't put up any defense whatsoever and let Vettel take the inside line.
I guess, Leclerc's only fault was to get the pole and obey the team strategy, knowing that it would cost him P1.

[stefa]

Albon was good, starting from pit lane and ended P5, really positive surprise this Albon.

Yes he is, but bare in mind he got help from VSC and SC

[jgonzalesm6]

I guess, Leclerc's only fault was to get the pole and obey the team strategy, knowing that it would cost him P1.

No one was at fault. Leclerc got his place back after they pitted Seb.

The only fault for Ferrari was Seb's DNF (MGU-K failure)....."gifting" Mercedes a 1-2 finish. We were unlucky.

[wisepie]

OK stop, just stop.

There is no use crying over spilt milk. I mean seriously, what is the point of all this ?

There was a perfect storm , the result of this was our ending in P3 and a car not finishing.

Team needs to analyze this, learn from its mistakes - mainly how to deal with the egos of the drivers and pre race tactics , then move on.

+1, and disappointed as we all are, we are making the Charles/Seb argument the main topic and it's painful to see so much vitriol between each drivers' fans, we are Ferrari supporters are we not?:-E

[stefa]

+1, and disappointed as we all are, we are making the Charles/Seb argument the main topic and it's painful to see so much vitriol between each drivers' fans, we are Ferrari supporters are we not?:-E

Ferrari above everything!!!! :ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[Tony]

OK stop, just stop.

There is no use crying over spilt milk. I mean seriously, what is the point of all this ?

There was a perfect storm , the result of this was our ending in P3 and a car not finishing.

Team needs to analyze this, learn from its mistakes - mainly how to deal with the egos of the drivers and pre race tactics , then move on.

Personally, I think this team needs to get significantly better in the strategy department. As far as I'm concerned, the only team they were racing yesterday was Mercedes... they saw Mercedes going on the medium's, they should have matched them. That would have taken all of the guess work out of everything... which could have made a big difference yesterday... I miss the early 2000's when Ferrari had the best strategist in the business...

[nani_s23]

It’s better to shut radio on both cars & tell them to drive. :-D

[da_one]

Personally, I think this team needs to get significantly better in the strategy department. As far as I'm concerned, the only team they were racing yesterday was Mercedes... they saw Mercedes going on the medium's, they should have matched them. That would have taken all of the guess work out of everything... which could have made a big difference yesterday... I miss the early 2000's when Ferrari had the best strategist in the business...

Mercedes are untouchables with the mediums, have been so for the longest time. If we match them in qualifying, then there is a big chance they would have gotten pole instead of us. The only reason they started on mediums is because they have nothing to lose, they have a big lead in the championship and an ultra reliable car. They only had to finish in the top 5 in the remaining races and win both championships in 6 consecutive years.

[Tony]

Mercedes are untouchables with the mediums, have been so for the longest time. If we match them in qualifying, then there is a big chance they would have gotten pole instead of us. The only reason they started on mediums is because they have nothing to lose, they have a big lead in the championship and an ultra reliable car. They only had to finish in the top 5 in the remaining races and win both championships in 6 consecutive years.

Not sure I understand? if Ferrari were to have put on the mediums in Q2, they still would have made it through to the top 10 and they would have done Q3 on softs?

[Cevertmyhero]

I couldn't believe the race. I feel so sorry for Seb and I agree with him. These hybrid engines need to go!!!! Utter rubbish they are.

Very disappointed that Charles couldn't even pass the useless wingman bottas. As for ham, I swear he signed a deal with the devil. Never never never known a more lucky driver. I've lost count now of how many wins and titles he's been gifted.

[Vettel165]

I couldn't believe the race. I feel so sorry for Seb and I agree with him. These hybrid engines need to go!!!! Utter rubbish they are.

Very disappointed that Charles couldn't even pass the useless wingman bottas. As for ham, I swear he signed a deal with the devil. Never never never known a more lucky driver. I've lost count now of how many wins and titles he's been gifted.

Cheers mate.

But this season is a "testing" season for us, WDC,WCC is long over. Its all about winning some races now, a preparation for next year in which we have to stop making dumb team mistakes, and also stop the whole driver mistakes, crashes.

Hope Seb is trully back (Team needs a fully capable Seb in the team), and would win some more races until the end of this season, he deserve it. I think he could be fast in Suzuka, Abu Dhabi, Brasil, Austin, with Mexico being his bad track. We need better reliability.

53 WINS, 4 WDC! ALWAYS FOR SEB, NO MATTER WHAT.

[evo_spook]

Not sure I understand? if Ferrari were to have put on the mediums in Q2, they still would have made it through to the top 10 and they would have done Q3 on softs?

Medium for Mercedes was just a roll of the dice, they know they was going to get overtaken at the start, so they thought they'd give themselves a chance with alternative strategy and hope for a late safety car.
sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Worked in Russia, failed in Singapore.

[PURE PASSION]

According to leading German automobile magazine ‘Auto motor und sport’, Mercedes will introduce a new aero package in Suzuka. The package for the Japanese Grand Prix was approved weeks ago in the factory and while Toto Wolff says the package is just a small improvement, the Mercedes engineers talk about a decent progress.
I new I remembered that I have seen it somewhere, now lets see if they retake the lead performance wise or we still gonna be just in front of them!!!

[Tony]

Medium for Mercedes was just a roll of the dice, they know they was going to get overtaken at the start, so they thought they'd give themselves a chance with alternative strategy and hope for a late safety car.
sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Worked in Russia, failed in Singapore.

I understand that, but Ferrari weren't racing anyone else but Mercedes... they had the top speed advantage... I firmly believe they should have matched Mercedes' strategy....

[Brembo]

I understand that, but Ferrari weren't racing anyone else but Mercedes... they had the top speed advantage... I firmly believe they should have matched Mercedes' strategy....

What got in the way of matching Merc strategy was who to give the top speed advantage to, Charles or Seb. Total confusion, then Seb's car gives up. I hope Charles has enough of what it takes to put up with Ferrari's 1,2 traditions. How much better can he drive? 6 poles, 4 in a row, and 2 wins, @ Spa and Monza !!! It's not just down force that's got Ferrari where they are, its their radios !

[nani_s23]

I now see more of Charles from the same guy... who said Ferrari needs max :rotfl.
What a drastic change :clap
Let’s maldonize max ... way to go.

[Brembo]

It's not down force that's needed @ Ferrari, it's force down Seb to #2 !

[Vettel165]

Seb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_yQJcVvUTU

[nani_s23]

Max needs engine power “can you give more power”:rotfl
Father Jos : “I look options for you”:rotfl

It’s not engine.... it’s $$$

[Brembo]

Seb @ Ferrari 2020 has nothing to do with $$$, it's strictly wanting to win another WDC. Go Seb !!

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=nani_s23;1019480]Max needs engine power “can you give more power”:rotfl

R Bull's response : Yes we will give you a new Spec 4 engine! Meanwhile looking at Seb's Ferrari , maybe R Bull is the place to be. I'm sure the Honda folks want a win bad in Japan.

[nani_s23]

Max : Father jos please help me, I need more engine power. Don’t worry kid will get you $$$
:rotfl

[Riccardog]

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Hamilton and Bottas team orders are par for the course, but at Ferrari.......:furious

[Riccardog]

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Hamilton and Bottas team orders are par for the course, but at Ferrari.......:furious

[Brembo]

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Hamilton and Bottas team orders are par for the course, but at Ferrari.......:furious

There is no doubt who should be the #1 driver @ R Bull. What else can Lewis do to be the #1 so far at Merc. Meanwhile it's Bottas who is allowed to give Lewis a fight. So the team order question is a little vague over @ Merc. Charles is doing a #1 job with his car as is so far. Putting drivers aside , no one want's team R Bull to finish ahead of team Ferrari.