Just let them race......

[Greig]

Have we now got into a terrible position with our drivers and now both feel hard done too? Would have been easier to just let them race but now they are doing pre-race deals and off course when it goes wrong it leaves ill will on both sides. Has it gone too far to be repaired or can the team get them to work together and realise not everytime can you get the best strategy call?

I can kind of understand, Seb has had it pretty easy at Ferrari no real challenge and Kimi would roll over anytime he did look like a challenge so Seb is used to be no1 priority everything is for him, Charles has arrived and is probably doing better than many expected and he is not a Kimi and is hungry for success and as such is not going to be a no2 to Seb, where do Ferrari go with this?

Are we going down a horrible route similar to Lewis v Nico, Seb v Webber etc etc

[darkchild]

Completely agree Greig. Binotto made a mess of it, and tbh Seb didn't help with this "Ferrari is bigger then any individual". Yes, until you are that individual, then it becomes personal and I'm afraid this is becoming personal.

They should have done RB. You know you have two WC fast drivers, what do you do? You tell them to race and race hard, but cleanly because if not you are going to impose heavy team orders. RB proved this can work with Ricciardo and Max. They also proved it can work with Seb and Ricciardo, but Binotto doesn't seem to be a fan of this. He wants to be Ross Brawn, get 1-2 for a team and tell guys "good job".

That might work with Barichello and Schumi, but NOT with Seb and Leclerc.

[Ferrarichamp]

I know it's just a small part of the problem, but I don't like the modern qualifying format. Trying to get a tow from other cars, you give me a tow on this lap, I'll pay you back later, etc. Just creates confusion and conflicts.

[Rishu]

I go back to Luca's words, Two Roosters can not stay in one Hen-house, and Charles is the new Rooster

[nani_s23]

I know it's just a small part of the problem, but I don't like the modern qualifying format. Trying to get a tow from other cars, you give me a tow on this lap, I'll pay you back later, etc. Just creates confusion and conflicts.

Yup.. agree with you.
Rather than the above, tell them race each other but not an extent where you both take out each other.
This pre-agreement & post doesn’t work out in a top team with two top drivers who are looking for a win.
It’s not like Ham-Bottas.

[evo_spook]

Ferrari also got over confident (cocky) and got bit in the ****, I think it was mentioned on TV, secure the win before trying to decide who should win.

[aroutis]

Have we now got into a terrible position with our drivers and now both feel hard done too? Would have been easier to just let them race but now they are doing pre-race deals and off course when it goes wrong it leaves ill will on both sides. Has it gone too far to be repaired or can the team get them to work together and realise not everytime can you get the best strategy call?

I can kind of understand, Seb has had it pretty easy at Ferrari no real challenge and Kimi would roll over anytime he did look like a challenge so Seb is used to be no1 priority everything is for him, Charles has arrived and is probably doing better than many expected and he is not a Kimi and is hungry for success and as such is not going to be a no2 to Seb, where do Ferrari go with this?

Are we going down a horrible route similar to Lewis v Nico, Seb v Webber etc etc

I will never get tired to say this, but issues like this stem from upper team management.
All I am saying is that when you have Mattia saying that he needs to clarify things further during meetings, or , simply just after one week a repetition of what happened in Singapore (or should I say escalation?) , team really needs to take things into their own hands.

No driver is over the team. Drivers really don't need to agree with what the pitwall demands. They just need to do as instructed.

IMHO, it's not about "leaving them race", it's about handing it to them if they cannot understand that they race for the Scuderia.

[darkchild]

I will never get tired to say this, but issues like this stem from upper team management.
All I am saying is that when you have Mattia saying that he needs to clarify things further during meetings, or , simply just after one week a repetition of what happened in Singapore (or should I say escalation?) , team really needs to take things into their own hands.

No driver is over the team. Drivers really don't need to agree with what the pitwall demands. They just need to do as instructed.

IMHO, it's not about "leaving them race", it's about handing it to them if they cannot understand that they race for the Scuderia.
Sorry but drivers are not robots, and I completely disagree with you. Top drivers are champions, they want to win. They want to win for their team, but mostly for them selves. To have drivers following orders to a T, you have to have 1 and 2 driver, not two WC drivers.

For this, we need someone like Bottas and someone like Hamilton who will firmly put him in his place and be faster race in race out. With Seb and Leclerc its not the case. Leclerc is young, he wants to be champion. He wants to crush records. For Seb, he wants to win like Schumi did, but Leclerc is standing in his way. There is NO way to manage this two except "race, but race cleanly".

[jgonzalesm6]

Yes......let them race.

RussianGP 2019, everything went good until Seb's MGU-K failure and handed Hamilton or Mercedes the 1-2 win.

Leclerc needs to stop moaning.

[darkchild]

Yes......let them race.

RussianGP 2019, everything went good until Seb's MGU-K failure and handed Hamilton or Mercedes the 1-2 win.

Leclerc needs to stop moaning.
And Vettel needs to keep on his agreement. If he agreed for Leclerc to give him a perfect tow and not defend into T1, just for him to say he will not give position back as agreed, then yea, let them race because thats what you gonna get. Leclerc nor Vettel will EVER agree to such stupid pre orchestrated strats before the race.

[jgonzalesm6]

And Vettel needs to keep on his agreement. If he agreed for Leclerc to give him a perfect tow and not defend into T1, just for him to say he will not give position back as agreed, then yea, let them race because thats what you gonna get. Leclerc nor Vettel will EVER agree to such stupid pre orchestrated strats before the race.

The pit wall "gave" the position back after both Ferrari pit stops.

Mercedes took advantage of the VSC or SC during Seb's MGU-K failure.....lucky for them....unlucky for us.

[aroutis]

Sorry but drivers are not robots, and I completely disagree with you. Top drivers are champions, they want to win. They want to win for their team, but mostly for them selves. To have drivers following orders to a T, you have to have 1 and 2 driver, not two WC drivers.

For this, we need someone like Bottas and someone like Hamilton who will firmly put him in his place and be faster race in race out. With Seb and Leclerc its not the case. Leclerc is young, he wants to be champion. He wants to crush records. For Seb, he wants to win like Schumi did, but Leclerc is standing in his way. There is NO way to manage this two except "race, but race cleanly".

That is actually the point.
We need an #1/2 strategy just like we had with Michael and just like Mercedes has with Lewis and Bottas, and the examples can go on, and on and on.
Also, while drivers have ambitions and strong egos, at the end of the day , they are employees for the team they pay their hefty contracts and they have to abide by strategy, and rules. They are not their own persons while they race,not by a long shot.
It is not called discipline for no reason.

[aroutis]

The pit wall "gave" the position back after both Ferrari pit stops.

That happened after Vettel did not stick to the prearranged strategy.

[jgonzalesm6]

That happened after Vettel did not stick to the prearranged strategy.

yep, Leclerc could not close the gap to Seb....things change as well as the pit wall and Seb making the right call.

On lap 20 thru 24 or 25 Seb had 4.4sec lead over Charles. Seb had a mega start.

[chinmay]

That is actually the point.
We need an #1/2 strategy just like we had with Michael and just like Mercedes has with Lewis and Bottas, and the examples can go on, and on and on.
Also, while drivers have ambitions and strong egos, at the end of the day , they are employees for the team they pay their hefty contracts and they have to abide by strategy, and rules. They are not their own persons while they race,not by a long shot.
It is not called discipline for no reason.

Who will be relegated to #2 driver role? Both are top class. Whoever gets inferior treatment will leave the team and that will be disastrous. Ferrari got the best driving pair, with a capable car from race 1, WCC is guaranteed with this pair. Driver's ambitions, their proven track record has what earned them those hefty contracts in the first place and they will look to maximize their results at all times.

Seb wants to win, Charles wants to win. And you can't say to either of them to not win. That will not work.

[darkchild]

yep, Leclerc could not close the gap to Seb....things change as well as the pit wall and Seb making the right call.

On lap 20 thru 24 or 25 Seb had 4.4sec lead over Charles. Seb had a mega start.
Again, in Sochi, its incredibly hard to stay behind someone and do it repetedly unless you have big car advantage. Sainz said they had 1.7s deficit to Bottas, but if they had 0.5 less, Bottas would not be able to overtake him (and it took him looong).

Basically, drivers where losing 0.5s in last two corners compared to front guys. They cooked their tires and couldn't follow. This is not to say that Seb wasn't faster, but Leclerc did follow him till 9th lap when he was told "swap will happen later".

So for me its pretty clear. One driver starts on pole, other on 2nd row of the grid. Both drivers agreed for pole setter to slipstream guy starting from 3rd, without trying to break a tow or taking inside line and defending hard. After this is done, as team radios confirm, they where to swap.

Here comes the interesting part...Seb didn't want to swap. Too little time to Ham, so he pushed. But by lap 9 there was 3.1s to Ham and 1.6s to Leclerc, and they could have swapped but he said "He should catch em".

Vettel had NO intention to give place back. Even if he lost it in pits, he proved his point. He got great race speed, he will NOT yield and he will play naughty as well. Thats how this ended, obv with Seb DNFing in the end.

For anyone thinking Suzuka or rest of the races will be better if you are team player...just :lol

[Hornet]

Ferrari don't need to designate a 1-2 driver, IMO that ended after Schumi era.

As we've seen with Massa and Kimi, they both got the team backing when they were in the hunt for WDC. Until that situation comes, they are free to race.

That's how it should be. Just let the drivers race. We are not in any championship hunt right now anyway, dont need to arrange the outcome.

[Giallo 550]

I agree with a lot of what is posted here. I’m already tired of the favors and trying to make everyone happy. I want to see the better Ferrari driver win at each track, whether that’s Seb or Charles.

Yes, no driver is bigger than Ferrari, but anybody here who has raced competitively will tell you that when you get in that kart or car, the only thing you care about when your hands are on that wheel is winning, so I don’t blame Seb or Charles for any “naughty” behavior. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.

[KimiBot]

The pit wall "gave" the position back after both Ferrari pit stops.

Yeah, just watched race again, so that happened, team kept Seb out when tires were gone and Charles could drive 2 sec faster per lap.
I really do not care who wins, Seb or Charles, so i do not mind,.... just really bad luck we had, bad Sunday.

[KimiBot]

Always when I see: Grosjean radio, so I know that now comes some crying again...I hope that want happen to Charles, he can stop with that and focus in racing instead

[Stormy]

Always when I see: Grosjean radio, so I know that now comes some crying again...I hope that want happen to Charles, he can stop with that and focus in racing instead

At least Leclerc is ruthless and skilled unlike Grosjean. Anyway, I don't think we need a #1 and #2 strategy when we are not fighting for title. We can use that time to determine who's better instead in a 1vs1 wheel to wheel battle if need be.

[aroutis]

In order to get the WCC, you need a united front and strategy, especially when you have strong opposition.

Having an opponent in your own team will not give you a WCC unless your opposition is weak.

And as you soon will realize, for 2020 Ferrari sets as #1 target the WCC.

[KimiBot]

No pit stops when VSC, they should make that as a rule.

[paolo lalli]

Good idea then Lewis will be not so lucky.Ferrari have a big headache if they issue firm team orders.The solution let them race each other hard regardless of the outcome boom or bust .This is the only way one driver then will be the alpha male.There are no butter positions currently available at scuderia Ferrari but watch this space for a potential vacancy.

[SilverSpeed]

If you let them race, the Lewis will be smiling third and that's not putting him under more pressure so I believe Ferrari needs to make Charles no.1 driver since Seb is to old to adapt to a new car.
Charles is the future of Ferrari and with him we have a future.

[nani_s23]

No pit stops when VSC, they should make that as a rule.

Yup... I see from 2017 that most of the time it’s Ferrari who suffered with this VSC or SC.
2017/2018 Baku, I remember China 2017/18 I think so, n other one where Lewis benefited n over took vettel on different tyres, now Russia GP.

[19000rpmF-2004]

Yeah, just watched race again, so that happened, team kept Seb out when tires were gone and Charles could drive 2 sec faster per lap.
I really do not care who wins, Seb or Charles, so i do not mind,.... just really bad luck we had, bad Sunday.

This is a problem too. The pit wall will manipulate the outcome as well.
Let them race with out taking each other, that’s it, but it will be very hard.
Also how they are going to manage that if we get a good car next year? So far it looks like they are in the right track to achieve that next season.

[Brembo]

Ferrari has 50 million reasons to go along with Seb as to who's #1. Neither the team big shots or Seb ever thought Charles was this great. This discovery is supposed to be a great finding ;not a problem. It was just a big miscall by Ferrari thinking Seb was going to continue his WDCs baserd just on driving

[paolo lalli]

Oh they got it so wròooooong.

[Arcana]

This is a problem too. The pit wall will manipulate the outcome as well.
Let them race with out taking each other, that’s it, but it will be very hard.
Also how they are going to manage that if we get a good car next year? So far it looks like they are in the right track to achieve that next season.

You can't manage that. If Seb's good form continues in the rest of the year and next year too, these 2 will very likely clash on track.

[Vettel165]

Let them race and let the faster driver wins. For next year I expect a strong Ferrari with fighting for the world drivers title with Lewis. Wait until then, until the real pressure kicks in.

[Brembo]

Let them race and let the faster driver wins. For next year I expect a strong Ferrari with fighting for the world drivers title with Lewis. Wait until then, until the real pressure kicks in.

Let them race now, there's allot of 2019 left for us fans to watch and cheer for as far as Ferrari showing some new life. Wins and podiums are still there for Ferrari's drivers to fight for. And as far a real pressure kicking in, Seb is in the midst off more pressure than he can handle it seems, although that win hopefully chilled him out a little.

[nani_s23]

It’s just Lec &vettel at Ferrari. Ferrari doesn’t need Max as said by MB. :-D
Father Jos will run after teams in 2020:rotfl

[Brembo]

OK , go Seb!! I think Seb did two last place finishes this year. But !!! He was great as the enemy with R Bull. My only fear of MAX @ Ferrari is he might knock out Binotto if he #2d him .

[tifosi1993]

OK , go Seb!! I think Seb did two last place finishes this year. But !!! He was great as the enemy with R Bull. My only fear of MAX @ Ferrari is he might knock out Binotto if he #2d him .

Oh you don't have to worry about that. Binotto already made things perfectly clear, Ferrari will not go for Max. And it's pretty understandable, we have Charles and bringing Max in will create unnecessary drama.
Now we have a rather very expensive #2 driver, keeping him not going to achieve anything. He has already failed, both as a driver and team leader. So time has come for him to get replaced, Dr. Marko is crying about him and the way him being treated at Ferrari (I should add :rotfl), I don't think he will have any problem going back to Red Bull.

[nani_s23]

Oh wow another pathetic statement knock out Binnotto :rotfl
Charles is enough to kick max out if any thoughts of joining ferrari.
Father Jos is looking for options & $$ where max needs power :rotfl

[Stormsearcher]

Let them race and let the faster driver wins. For next year I expect a strong Ferrari with fighting for the world drivers title with Lewis. Wait until then, until the real pressure kicks in.

Agree. Next years car will a championship winner most likely.
We need to sort out the Lec-seb situation before that.

[Stormsearcher]

By the look of it, Lec seems to be getting stronger with every race and there is NO WAY he is going to accept no.2 status. He is currently performing better than Vettel. Even leading him in the points tally. If he does not see the team give him preference now, he is going to be one unhappy and frustrated bunny. And honestly, he is the future for the team. Seb is done. At best another 2 years.
Let them race, completely without interference. We might get to know who can carry the flag next year.

[Rishu]

By the look of it, Lec seems to be getting stronger with every race and there is NO WAY he is going to accept no.2 status. He is currently performing better than Vettel. Even leading him in the points tally. If he does not see the team give him preference now, he is going to be one unhappy and frustrated bunny. And honestly, he is the future for the team. Seb is done. At best another 2 years.
Let them race, completely without interference. We might get to know who can carry the flag next year.

To beat Mercedes, you need to define where is all your weight. If they keep taking points off each other, beating Hamilton in a closely matched Mercedes will be tough. Letting them race works if you have huge advantage to second best side, hell even RedBull didn’t allow Webber to race Vettel. Mercedes did allow Hamilton & Rosberg and we know how big their advantage was

[Stormsearcher]

To beat Mercedes, you need to define where is all your weight. If they keep taking points off each other, beating Hamilton in a closely matched Mercedes will be tough. Letting them race works if you have huge advantage to second best side, hell even RedBull didn’t allow Webber to race Vettel. Mercedes did allow Hamilton & Rosberg and we know how big their advantage was

Fair point. Which is why we should let them race this year, so we can decide who leads next year.

[ChrisFerrari]

Fair point. Which is why we should let them race this year, so we can decide who leads next year.

I beg your pardon, but that approach is never going to work. Especially if we are in the championship hunt next year. Neither of them are willing to accept the no.2 role, understandably. If the team indeed picks a no.2 then he will walk and drama accompanies that season. If they let them race it will lead to Hamilton-Rosberg 2.0. But this could get much uglier. Seb is like a wounded lion, he has nothing to lose now as Baku has shown us an example of his thinking. I feel for him, he worked his tail off to get a car like we have now (and it still does not really fit his driving style), and he is forced to see someone coming in his team, humiliating him, and taking the rewards for all his hard work. Charles on the other hand will not let this opportunity to pass just to be on good terms with Seb. This year is just the appetizer of what could come next year. And no matter how it ends, we won't have both of them for 2021. That I'm sure of.

[Brembo]

Charles is doing great in the car they have now. Seb's driving style not fit for his car? Until Ferrari can get a car right for Seb's style they should let Charles be #1 and continue his winning ways with the cars a they are. When Seb feels the car is right for him and wins a few, then Ferrari can give him the shot @ #1, seat . Charles so far is tooo good to be true! Seb's current pay should be enough to keep him calm, and all his work with the team is for sure being compensated $$$ wise. Giving up a chance for Charles at pole or a win just to calm him down is totally unfair to the team , Charles and us fans.

[evo_spook]

Seb's current pay should be enough to keep him calm, and all his work with the team is for sure being compensated $$$ wise.

... okay, how long have you watched formula one and elite sportsman?
You think it’s all about the money for Vettel at this time?

[paolo lalli]

Seb and Kimi had input in the current car. Charles did not have any input seems the current design is a perfect fit for Charles he has really excelled.More to come starting in Suzuki Ferrari 1 and 2 with no team orders just clean fast racing from both our drivers with no pre race deals.

[Brembo]

Seb and Kimi had input in the current car. Charles did not have any input seems the current design is a perfect fit for Charles he has really excelled.More to come starting in Suzuki Ferrari 1 and 2 with no team orders just clean fast racing from both our drivers with no pre race deals.

Great post !! On the money!

[nani_s23]

... okay, how long have you watched formula one and elite sportsman?
You think it’s all about the money for Vettel at this time?

:clap

[wisepie]

Just seen the expected weather forecast for Suzuka which looks horrible all weekend, which will probably mean quali and the race will be a lottery.:roll

[tifosi1993]

There is a big deference between a normal wet race, and a wet race because of a typhoon. Rain is fine, a typhoon isn't. If the the condition become too severe, and I think it will become severe, then they should cancel this race.

[wisepie]

There is a big deference between a normal wet race, and a wet race because of a typhoon. Rain is fine, a typhoon isn't. If the the condition become too severe, and I think it will become severe, then they should cancel this race.

It will be a hard enough race for Charles to face with the memory of Jules and that fateful day 5 years ago, but he has the strength to cope with it, if he gets the chance. We never want a repeat of that day but I hope it doesn't get cancelled as you suggest.:Hmm

[Brembo]

I too hope the weather just passes and the race is on. Two weeks alone is too much of a wait.

[Vettel165]

No no no, Vettel would/will win in Suzuka. :pray

[FerrariF60]

No no no, Vettel would/will win in Suzuka. :pray

supposed to be a wet weekend.....all Vettel will do is practicing on his piruettes some more...

[Stormsearcher]

supposed to be a wet weekend.....all Vettel will do is practicing on his piruettes some more...

:lol:lol

[Stormsearcher]

I beg your pardon, but that approach is never going to work. Especially if we are in the championship hunt next year. Neither of them are willing to accept the no.2 role, understandably. If the team indeed picks a no.2 then he will walk and drama accompanies that season. If they let them race it will lead to Hamilton-Rosberg 2.0. But this could get much uglier. Seb is like a wounded lion, he has nothing to lose now as Baku has shown us an example of his thinking. I feel for him, he worked his tail off to get a car like we have now (and it still does not really fit his driving style), and he is forced to see someone coming in his team, humiliating him, and taking the rewards for all his hard work. Charles on the other hand will not let this opportunity to pass just to be on good terms with Seb. This year is just the appetizer of what could come next year. And no matter how it ends, we won't have both of them for 2021. That I'm sure of.

Then what is the option? If we have a title winning car, which of the drivers get to go for it? Unfair to either to ask them to be no.2. In fact i do not think Vettel will ever accept the no.2 role. So that leaves only one thing, let them race.
Charles seems to be more level headed than Vettel and i dont think it will turn into Ham-Ros 2.0 UNLESS seb plays dirty. Then yes, the gloves will come off and it will be a mess.

[aroutis]

There is nothing fair or unfair. This is all about business and targets and nothing else.
Drivers get paid, and quite handsomely too to do their job, and their job , primarily is to win for the Scuderia. Really, it 's that simple.
So at this point of time, while Ferrari spends gazzilions of money in order to finally produce a car that can bring the fight to Mercedes,
with 2020 being a year where regulations are pretty much the same, with Ferrari running two programs , the 2019 and 2020 in parallel,
bringing 2020 stuff in the 2019 car in order to try them out so they can be ready and tested in 2020 and if possible ahead of the competition,
the drivers are tasked with one primary target which is WCC, then WDC will be for the one with the better performance and the
more stable one.
It's not about "let them race", it is about discipline and following what the team tells them to do.

[wisepie]

Then what is the option? If we have a title winning car, which of the drivers get to go for it? Unfair to either to ask them to be no.2. In fact i do not think Vettel will ever accept the no.2 role. So that leaves only one thing, let them race.
Charles seems to be more level headed than Vettel and i dont think it will turn into Ham-Ros 2.0 UNLESS seb plays dirty. Then yes, the gloves will come off and it will be a mess.

I'm not sure that Charles is more level-headed than Seb as shown by his outbursts over the team radio recently. He knows he is the best hope for Ferrari's future and he has shown that he's not going to be a pushover for anyone, all of which is fantastic for the tifosi, and I do hope that it doesn't turn nasty by asking either of them to give way to the other unless it's in the interest of overall WDC/WCC positions, depending on who is ahead in the standings. Charles has a maturity that is beyond his years, but in my opinion he needs to be a bit less vocal in his views from the cockpit. If Seb does play dirty, then it will become a circus, but it works both ways!;-)

[Riccardog]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.watch-vettel-vs-leclerc-in-our-grill-the-grid-quiz-who-wins.5PlbWdBOjgveL0dGpzlRAW.html

just to show, that on track they fight, but off track they get along....
the implosion, the animosity, the hype is all just media smoke, because there's nothing else to comment about....
guys, just stop fuelling rivalries where there are none.

[ChrisFerrari]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.watch-vettel-vs-leclerc-in-our-grill-the-grid-quiz-who-wins.5PlbWdBOjgveL0dGpzlRAW.html

just to show, that on track they fight, but off track they get along....
the implosion, the animosity, the hype is all just media smoke, because there's nothing else to comment about....
guys, just stop fuelling rivalries where there are none.

I recommend you watch last year's episode with Kimi and Seb, the mood difference is clearly noticeable. I see some kind of awkwardness now, maybe they already started to understand that there will be only one winner who takes all in their partnership as Ferrari drivers.

[paolo lalli]

There is an old saying and it goes like this united but always divided bodes well for all F1 drivers in teams.

[Tifoso]

Have we now got into a terrible position with our drivers and now both feel hard done too? Would have been easier to just let them race but now they are doing pre-race deals and off course when it goes wrong it leaves ill will on both sides. Has it gone too far to be repaired or can the team get them to work together and realise not everytime can you get the best strategy call?

I can kind of understand, Seb has had it pretty easy at Ferrari no real challenge and Kimi would roll over anytime he did look like a challenge so Seb is used to be no1 priority everything is for him, Charles has arrived and is probably doing better than many expected and he is not a Kimi and is hungry for success and as such is not going to be a no2 to Seb, where do Ferrari go with this?

Are we going down a horrible route similar to Lewis v Nico, Seb v Webber etc etc

Yeah, I believe so fratello. Particularly stupid, IMHO, now that we are racing “only” for race wins, not titles

[Brembo]

It looks like Merc, Lewis are for sure, " Letting Bottas race ! "

[chinmay]

It looks like Merc, Lewis are for sure, " Letting Bottas race ! "

Only once the title got decided.

[impactX]

If Seb did not park his car at that corner before retiring, there would not be VSC or SC.

[chinmay]

If Seb did not park his car at that corner before retiring, there would not be VSC or SC.

You have come to the wrong site. This isn't a road car forum. Go park your regular road car wherever you wish.

[impactX]

You have come to the wrong site. This isn't a road car forum. Go park your regular road car wherever you wish.

So I came to the wrong site 14 years earlier than you? Lol

[Stormsearcher]

Only once the title got decided.


Thats cause they have a clear no.1 driver. Bottas cannot sustain a year long fight against hamilton. He will win a few races, but he will never beat him.
Which is not the case with us. We have 2 drivers who can/will sustain a fight for a whole year.

[Brembo]

Thats cause they have a clear no.1 driver. Bottas cannot sustain a year long fight against hamilton. He will win a few races, but he will never beat him.
Which is not the case with us. We have 2 drivers who can/will sustain a fight for a whole year.

But for 3 more races Bottas did sustain a year long fight against Lewis. It's still going on, even if it's just for 4 pts. Charles is capable of fighting his team mate all year long, but is he allowed to?

[Bikus]

THX to let them race Sainz got P3 , just like Ferrari won last WDC title THX to McLaren´s let them race !

:-D

[nhiepka]

dont let them race because CrashTel is an impatient person.