AustrianGP 2020 Pre-Race thread

[jgonzalesm6]

Itinerary for the Grosser Preis Von Osterreich

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[nani_s23]

Race is happening this weekend?

[chinmay]

Race is happening this weekend?

No, gonzalo just got too excited and read July as June.

[jgonzalesm6]

Race is happening this weekend?

No


No, gonzalo just got too excited and read July as June.

Negative

Just thought I would post a pre-race thread.....long time coming...so I started it early.:-)

[jgonzalesm6]

Bottas practiced today at Silverstone in a W09. Everyone was wearing face masks.

Tomorrow will be Hamilton.

[PURE PASSION]

we will also run in fiorano.
Redbull and McLaren cant.
McL has fanacial troubles and Rbr must tast with a 2 yeat old car and they must agree with Renault to give them a pu,and this will not happen!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

we will also run in fiorano.
Redbull and McLaren cant.
McL has fanacial troubles and Rbr must tast with a 2 yeat old car and they must agree with Renault to give them a pu,and this will not happen!!!!

re: RedBull.....Max and Albon ran in F2 cars for practice.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari needs no body to hold it's hand.Big strong and independent a stand alone mega company.Ferrari is spoilt for choice.

[Brembo]

Ferrari needs no body to hold it's hand.Big strong and independent a stand alone mega company.Ferrari is spoilt for choice.

Please tell that to Binotto " Ferrari has no chance ! "

[paolo lalli]

One thing is for sure Ferrari have plenty of this$$$$$$ and that puts them at the top of the pile,envied by car manufactures to the point of jelousy.They wish nothing but failure on the prancing horse.I say screw them all.

[Brembo]

I'm not sure about Ferrari on top $$ wise . R Bull has a few billion to spend . I believe it's Charles' performance that will do it for Ferrari ! Ferrari fans wish the same on Merc ! :rotfl

[Nick Singer]

Mercedes/ Shamilton borefest. Night Major!

[paolo lalli]

Always love the under dog.When they bite it really hurts.

[Brembo]

Always love the under dog.When they bite it really hurts.

For sure! Especially if the underdog #2 is allowed to fight.

[FerrariF60]

So Ferrari will almost introduce a B spec car in Austria....with suspension, engine, gearbox casing, aero updates....hopefully all that will be enough to close the gap to Merc....as we’ve all been pretty disappointed with winter testing in that regard

[wisepie]

So Ferrari will almost introduce a B spec car in Austria....with suspension, engine, gearbox casing, aero updates....hopefully all that will be enough to close the gap to Merc....as we’ve all been pretty disappointed with winter testing in that regard

We obviously needed some improvement after testing so let's pray that they are positive updates , and it's not just the gap to Merc that needs to be addressed, Red Bull and the Pink Mercs were also very feisty in testing. We shall see and I can't wait.:Hmm

[Kyss4k]

So Ferrari will almost introduce a B spec car in Austria....with suspension, engine, gearbox casing, aero updates....hopefully all that will be enough to close the gap to Merc....as we’ve all been pretty disappointed with winter testing in that regard

What I heard is, that the rear suspension &gearbox casing is new just because there were issues found with it in the tests. It will be bulkier, heavier but they believe, that it will be worth it. So not a true update. The only real update is the engine and minor aero updates specific to the circuit. But that's what I heard.

[Brembo]

Binotto's latest June update in an interview with Marca :
Binotto sad he doesn't expect to be fastest in Austria at the F-1 start. But try to react afterwards. There will be no new developments until after the opening 3 races, hopefully. The team is bracing for a tough start. I can only say again that I hope Charles doesn't take anything Binotto says to heart. Binotto is at least telling us Ferrari fans we can start watching the F-1 action starting with the 4th race.That's when he should start getting paid !!

[springfield]

Or he is just lowering fans expectations, like Mercedes is doing it every year.

[stefa]

Honestly... I don't feel any hype....

[FerrariF60]

Honestly... I don't feel any hype....

I don’t feel any hype either, but I cannot wait for the season to start.....i miss the F1 circus quite a bit, drivers racing each other and more importantly the RED cars....

I’ve lowered my expectations quite a bit over the years in terms of Ferrari actually bringing a winning car from the getgo, but as any Ferrari fan, you still have that small little hope that maybe, just maybe this time will be different....

[tifosi1993]

Honestly... I don't feel any hype....

I mean...have you ever?
The only think I see from you is constant doom n gloom.

[tifosi1993]

I don’t feel any hype either, but I cannot wait for the season to start.....i miss the F1 circus quite a bit, drivers racing each other and more importantly the RED cars....

I’ve lowered my expectations quite a bit over the years in terms of Ferrari actually bringing a winning car from the getgo, but as any Ferrari fan, you still have that small little hope that maybe, just maybe this time will be different....

Oh come on...it's not like Australia 2017 and 2018 were distant past. Ferrari have started both 2017 and 2018 by winning the two opening races. Sure last years car was "bad", considering Ferrari's standard, but the SF90 was still good car to challenge for the pole positions and wins.

[FerrariF60]

Oh come on...it's not like Australia 2017 and 2018 were distant past. Ferrari have started both 2017 and 2018 by winning the two opening races. Sure last years car was "bad", considering Ferrari's standard, but the SF90 was still good car to challenge for the pole positions and wins.

With all due respect, we got lucky with those wins in OZ, that payed in our hands with a bit of luck due to virtual safety cars and what not....otherwise Hamster had those wins in the bag....we did not have a fast dominant car....it was prolly on par or just below compared to Merc...

[stefa]

I mean...have you ever?
The only think I see from you is constant doom n gloom.

:-ZZ
Complete nonsense from your side....

And on the other side everything is milk and honey for so many previous years...

[chinmay]

Or he is just lowering fans expectations, like Mercedes is doing it every year.

Saint Binotto never lies. If saint Binotto says something then that's God's honest truth. One would want him to be like cunning Wolf but then he is a saint and not a wolf.

[Brembo]

Forget the other top drivers , Charles' biggest challenge is not listening to what Binotto says. Fans cannot compare Wolf with Binotto. Merc wins everything!

[paolo lalli]

Let the races begin and after a few races we can start the2020 praise or Ferrari bashing campaign.One thing is for sure there is a lot of speculative news surrounding f1 this is all part of the circus no one is really revealing there cards yet, time will start to answer our questions shortly.

[Tifoso]

Better yet, let’s follow common decency, true-fandome and forum rules and never bash our own team. :-)
Bit like taking a dump in your own breakfast cereal: might feel good for a moment, but in the end you are only hurting yourself.

[Brembo]

That goes for Binotto too !:rotfl Great post !

[tifosi1993]

With all due respect, we got lucky with those wins in OZ, that payed in our hands with a bit of luck due to virtual safety cars and what not....otherwise Hamster had those wins in the bag....we did not have a fast dominant car....it was prolly on par or just below compared to Merc...

I guess you have either missed or didn't watch the 2017 Australian/Bahrain GP.
In Australia, Hamilton couldn't build up a gap over Vettel and before his pit stop, the gap was only 0.8 seconds. Ferrari SF70-H was so much faster that Ferrari opted for overcutting Hamilton, and Vettel had no problem coming out ahead during his pitstop and pulled away from Hamilton.

2018 Australian GP, sure Hamilton looked comfortable. But the thing is, even if Vettel got lucky with the virtual safety car, Hamilton was unable to overtake him. And there were plenty of races where Ferrari got unlucky with the Virtual safety car.

Both in 2017 and 2018, Ferrari started strongly. I mean the results are there, anyone can look up.

[tifosi1993]

:-ZZ
Complete nonsense from your side....

And on the other side everything is milk and honey for so many previous years...

Well I prefer milk and honey over ***** and garbage. But each to their own I guess.

[stefa]

Well I prefer milk and honey over ***** and garbage. But each to their own I guess.

Yeah plenty of that in last decade....

[chinmay]

I guess you have either missed or didn't watch the 2017 Australian/Bahrain GP.
In Australia, Hamilton couldn't build up a gap over Vettel and before his pit stop, the gap was only 0.8 seconds. Ferrari SF70-H was so much faster that Ferrari opted for overcutting Hamilton, and Vettel had no problem coming out ahead during his pitstop and pulled away from Hamilton.

2018 Australian GP, sure Hamilton looked comfortable. But the thing is, even if Vettel got lucky with the virtual safety car, Hamilton was unable to overtake him. And there were plenty of races where Ferrari got unlucky with the Virtual safety car.

Both in 2017 and 2018, Ferrari started strongly. I mean the results are there, anyone can look up.

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd.

In 2018, as you said Vettel got lucky with the VSC and once again due to the nature of the track, Hamilton couldn't overtake him. Mercedes was a lot faster but track layout is as good or as bad as Monaco, you can't overtake.

[chinmay]

I guess you have either missed or didn't watch the 2017 Australian/Bahrain GP.
In Australia, Hamilton couldn't build up a gap over Vettel and before his pit stop, the gap was only 0.8 seconds. Ferrari SF70-H was so much faster that Ferrari opted for overcutting Hamilton, and Vettel had no problem coming out ahead during his pitstop and pulled away from Hamilton.

2018 Australian GP, sure Hamilton looked comfortable. But the thing is, even if Vettel got lucky with the virtual safety car, Hamilton was unable to overtake him. And there were plenty of races where Ferrari got unlucky with the Virtual safety car.

Both in 2017 and 2018, Ferrari started strongly. I mean the results are there, anyone can look up.

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd.

In 2018, as you said Vettel got lucky with the VSC and once again due to the nature of the track, Hamilton couldn't overtake him. Mercedes was a lot faster but track layout is as good or as bad as Monaco, you can't overtake.

[PURE PASSION]

#AMuS A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward."

The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

#AMuS Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

In THIS attitude we will never win a championship.
unfartunatly since last year that Binnoto took over ,we look so lost !!!! We built a car that we dont know what can or cant do!!!And we dont do NOTHING to change that!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

[]AMuS]

Red Bull will also have a big upgrade Helmut Marko: "The car in Spielberg will not be identical to the one that we would have seen in Melbourne. We brought the upgrade to the car that was scheduled for the fifth race in Barcelona and a second one now for Spielberg."

Helmut Marko: "Everything is based on CFD and wind tunnel data. There is a certain amount of uncertainty. You use the third development step without knowing how the first and second update would have felt in practice. We have to assume the data is accurate."


Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

Reports from Italy about Ferrari coming to Spielberg with a big update that includes a slimmer front wing, new gearbox, a new rear axle and 30 HP more from the engine are false.

A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward." The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

Ferrari with smaller changes, while Mercedes and Red Bull to introduce bigger update packages. It will be interesting to see how the pecking order appears - Is it Mercedes, Red Bull, Racing Point and Ferrari or is it slightly different with Red Bull ahead. We'll find out soon.

Small upgrades from Alfa Romeo and McLaren for Spielberg. Despite the short time, Alfa Romeo even made the changes that were in the development schedule for the races in Austria and England.

Racing Point already had a big upgrade for Melbourne and won't bring another one for Spielberg. Alpha Tauri also made some small changes and those were already seen during the filming day in Imola. Only Haas will drive with the Melbourne spec (without changes) in Spielberg.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/technik-upgrades-gp-oesterreich-spielberg-mercedes-ferrari-red-bull/

[PURE PASSION]

[]AMuS]

Red Bull will also have a big upgrade Helmut Marko: "The car in Spielberg will not be identical to the one that we would have seen in Melbourne. We brought the upgrade to the car that was scheduled for the fifth race in Barcelona and a second one now for Spielberg."
So AMuS has for granted that we are 4th behind even RP !!!!!!!! To us it looks like a joke, but I'm afraid that we might be that much disappointed!!

Helmut Marko: "Everything is based on CFD and wind tunnel data. There is a certain amount of uncertainty. You use the third development step without knowing how the first and second update would have felt in practice. We have to assume the data is accurate."


Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

Reports from Italy about Ferrari coming to Spielberg with a big update that includes a slimmer front wing, new gearbox, a new rear axle and 30 HP more from the engine are false.

A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward." The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

Ferrari with smaller changes, while Mercedes and Red Bull to introduce bigger update packages. It will be interesting to see how the pecking order appears - Is it Mercedes, Red Bull, Racing Point and Ferrari or is it slightly different with Red Bull ahead. We'll find out soon.

Small upgrades from Alfa Romeo and McLaren for Spielberg. Despite the short time, Alfa Romeo even made the changes that were in the development schedule for the races in Austria and England.

Racing Point already had a big upgrade for Melbourne and won't bring another one for Spielberg. Alpha Tauri also made some small changes and those were already seen during the filming day in Imola. Only Haas will drive with the Melbourne spec (without changes) in Spielberg.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/technik-upgrades-gp-oesterreich-spielberg-mercedes-ferrari-red-bull/
So AMuS assumet that we are 4th,behind even RP!!!!??
Now this may seems like a joke to us,BUT im afraid we might be THAT dissapointed !!!!

[FerrariF60]

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd.

In 2018, as you said Vettel got lucky with the VSC and once again due to the nature of the track, Hamilton couldn't overtake him. Mercedes was a lot faster but track layout is as good or as bad as Monaco, you can't overtake.

So I knew I was right about 2017 that we did NOT win on merit and that Hamster got held up by Max...hence handing over the win to a slower Ferrari,,,,,but I guess tifosi1993 was smoking something really good that day......lol

[jgonzalesm6]

So AMuS assumet that we are 4th,behind even RP!!!!??
Now this may seems like a joke to us,BUT im afraid we might be THAT dissapointed !!!!


yeah, let's just wait and see how things pan out in these next few races. I expect to be 3rd.

[FerrariF60]

yeah, let's just wait and see how things pan out in these next few races. I expect to be 3rd.

i've stopped getting my hopes up LONG AGO....everytime i do Ferrari sure disappoints me big time....so i've learned to bring my hopes way down, and if by some miracle Ferrari surprises us....well, that is a nice treat.....

the way we all thought that last year's Singapore would be a really bad weekend for us, Ferrari have brought some minor updates, and BOOM....pole position

so we'll have to wait and see.....time will tell after 2-3 races where we stack up against Merc, the Fools....etc

[wisepie]

yeah, let's just wait and see how things pan out in these next few races. I expect to be 3rd.

I'm with you on that but afraid we may be even lower, pessimistic I know but we've been here before and if we are able to spring a surprise, it would mean so much for us and F1 in general. I'd love to be optimistic but history repeats itself too often!:roll

[paolo lalli]

The pressure is on Ferrari to deliver a champion ship winning car to it's drivers.The trophy cabinet requires new additions urgently the existing are out dated and dusty.The Ferrari drivers are limited to what they can achieve so I do not see pressure on the drivers but firmly at the door of Ferrari.The speculation regarding updates is annoying in one breath yes updates etc and second breath no real up dates.This back ward and forward responses tells me that BINOTTO does not have the immediate confidence.First two races will determine weather his glasses start to fog up.Binotto is 100% under the pump and not our drivers.

[tifosi1993]

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd

And as ever, you're just parroting your usual nonsense. As I have said, the data is there, anyone can look up. But I guess some people here just too lazy or have some kind of weird fetish of bashing/downplaying Ferrari. Here's the lap chart:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=977&graf=3&dr1=Sebastian%20Vettel&dr2=Lewis%20Hamilton

Anyone with a functioning neuron cells can see it quite clearly. From lap 1-5 the gap was 1.122 seconds, on lap 13, the gap between Ham and Vet was 1.873 seconds, on lap 16 the gap was 1.322 seconds and on lap 17, the lap Hamilton pitted, Vettel was only 0.899 seconds behind.
Mercedes HAD to pit Hamilton first, because he couldn't get away from Vettel and they had no choice but to go for the undercut. And even Hamilton's first lap on fresh rubbers wasn't earth shattering, a 1m27.551, compared to Vettel's 1m28.118 on 19 laps older tyres.

The mere fact that, Vettel could keep up with Hamilton and closed the gap when needed, a pretty clear indication of SF70's race pace advantage over Hamilton's Mercedes. And what's more, Vettel pitted on lap 22, 5 laps later than Hamilton, and his fastest lap was 1m26.638 on lap 53, compared to Hamilton's 1m27.033 on lap 44. Another clear indication of SF70's great tyre wear, and that Vettel could've gone faster and had plenty of times left in his pocket.

[tifosi1993]

So I knew I was right about 2017 that we did NOT win on merit and that Hamster got held up by Max...hence handing over the win to a slower Ferrari,,,,,but I guess tifosi1993 was smoking something really good that day......lol

Yeah...lol...Lmao....that's all there in your post. But hay at least you know when/how to use them, so bravo. :clap

And it's pretty clear, to me at least, that you actually never watched that race. The reason Ham got held up by Max is quite simple, that Hamilton was complaining about his tyres and Mercedes had no choice but to pit him first and go for the undecut, bedause Vettel was getting quite intimating with Hamilton's gearbox and the gap was merely 8 tenths of a second.

But sure it was just pure luck, the race pace of SF70's had nothing to do with it. :lol

[FerrariF60]

Yeah...lol...Lmao....that's all there in your post. But hay at least you know when/how to use them, so bravo. :clap

And it's pretty clear, to me at least, that you actually never watched that race. The reason Ham got held up by Max is quite simple, that Hamilton was complaining about his tyres and Mercedes had no choice but to pit him first and go for the undecut, bedause Vettel was getting quite intimating with Hamilton's gearbox and the gap was merely 8 tenths of a second.

But sure it was just pure luck, the race pace of SF70's had nothing to do with it. :lol

:-ZZ.....You keep smoking that doobie bud.....it may go to your brain eventually, after all weed is a good therapy....lmao

[tifosi1993]

:-ZZ.....You keep smoking that doobie bud.....it may go to your brain eventually, after all weed is a good therapy....lmao

Well too much smoking is never good, and you're the prime example. It clearly killed off all those neurons in your brain cells.
So keep on smoking dopes and keep on bashing Vettel, or Ferrari or its cars or whatever.

[chinmay]

And as ever, you're just parroting your usual nonsense. As I have said, the data is there, anyone can look up. But I guess some people here just too lazy or have some kind of weird fetish of bashing/downplaying Ferrari. Here's the lap chart:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=977&graf=3&dr1=Sebastian%20Vettel&dr2=Lewis%20Hamilton

Anyone with a functioning neuron cells can see it quite clearly. From lap 1-5 the gap was 1.122 seconds, on lap 13, the gap between Ham and Vet was 1.873 seconds, on lap 16 the gap was 1.322 seconds and on lap 17, the lap Hamilton pitted, Vettel was only 0.899 seconds behind.
Mercedes HAD to pit Hamilton first, because he couldn't get away from Vettel and they had no choice but to go for the undercut. And even Hamilton's first lap on fresh rubbers wasn't earth shattering, a 1m27.551, compared to Vettel's 1m28.118 on 19 laps older tyres.

The mere fact that, Vettel could keep up with Hamilton and closed the gap when needed, a pretty clear indication of SF70's race pace advantage over Hamilton's Mercedes. And what's more, Vettel pitted on lap 22, 5 laps later than Hamilton, and his fastest lap was 1m26.638 on lap 53, compared to Hamilton's 1m27.033 on lap 44. Another clear indication of SF70's great tyre wear, and that Vettel could've gone faster and had plenty of times left in his pocket.

You have posted irrelevant laptimes, now let me post some data which actually matters.

Hamilton pitted on lap 17, a couple of laptimes before his pit and a few after that

Lap 15 - 1:28.494
Lap 16 - 1:28.438
Lap 17 - PIT
Lap 18 - 1:33.568
Lap 19 - 1:27.551
Lap 20 - 1:28.473
Lap 21 - 1:28.981
Lap 22 - 1:29.879
Lap 23 - 1:29.457
Lap 24 - 1:31.474
Lap 25 - 1:30.306

After his pit stop, he was putting in slower lap times than he was doing before. That happened because he was held up by Verstappen. Let's look at Verstappen's data.

Lap 18 - 1:29.159
Lap 19 - 1:28.833
Lap 20 - 1:29.043
Lap 21 - 1:29.380
Lap 22 - 1:29.834
Lap 23 - 1:29.456
Lap 24 - 1:31.016

Verstappen pitted on Lap 25, let's look at Hamilton's data from Lap 26.

Lap 26 - 1:27.952
Lap 27 - 1:27.834
Lap 28 - 1:27.846
Lap 29 - 1:27.813

He gained 2 seconds per lap after Verstappen pitted. Hamilton was held up for SIX LAPS behind Verstappen. And Vettel after his pits came out barely ahead of Hamilton. So conclusion - Vettel won because Hamilton was stuck behind Verstappen. Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory.

[tifosi1993]

...........

Lap 16: Vettel's closing in on Ham
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Qhttps://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q.jpg

Lap 17: Vettel less than a second behind and will have DRS
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCtqa.jpg

Lap 17: But Hamilton ducks into the pitlane, Ferrari goes for the overcut with Vettel
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCIpA.jpg

Lap 24: And it works and Vettel comes out ahead of Hamilton
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCZfM.jpg

Now Mercedes knew beforehand that Hamilton would come out behind Max. But they had no choice but go for the undercut.
The entire opening stint Hamilton couldn't open a gap and on lap 17 Vettel was on DRS range.

"Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory"...yeah right, as if he was cruising before the pit-stops. And I can play this game as well. I'd say even if Hamilton cleared Max, Vettel would've still closed the gap after taking his pitstops, and having fresher rubber and less fuel load towards the end, he would've overtaken Hamilton, Since he clearly had pace advantage. See, it's quite easy to play this game, and quite easy to come up with all sorts of different scenarios.

[FerrariF60]

Well too much smoking is never good, and you're the prime example. It clearly killed off all those neurons in your brain cells.
So keep on smoking dopes and keep on bashing Vettel, or Ferrari or its cars or whatever.

For your info, I don’t do any of that stuff....you in the other hand, I’ve got my doubts
I bash Ferrari like any other fan that keeps being let down year over year by a team with DEEP pockets that can’t build a winning car for the past 12+ years...clearly shows that ever since unlimited testing that got banned in 2009 has affected them greatly compar3d with the likes of red fools and Merc

Gone are the days when they used to lap around Fiorano for days on end setting up the car and trying new updates real-time as opposed to relying on wind tunnel which they keep blaming ever since

As for Vettel, we’ll hes a lost cause....his days in F1 are pretty much over....without a Newey designed blown diffuser rocket all he does is practicing pirouettes on a million dollar machinery....sad but also true

[FerrariF60]

Lap 16: Vettel's closing in on Ham
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Qhttps://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q.jpg

Lap 17: Vettel less than a second behind and will have DRS
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCtqa.jpg

Lap 17: But Hamilton ducks into the pitlane, Ferrari goes for the overcut with Vettel
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCIpA.jpg

Lap 24: And it works and Vettel comes out ahead of Hamilton
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCZfM.jpg

Now Mercedes knew beforehand that Hamilton would come out behind Max. But they had no choice but go for the undercut.
The entire opening stint Hamilton couldn't open a gap and on lap 17 Vettel was on DRS range.

"Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory"...yeah right, as if he was cruising before the pit-stops. And I can play this game as well. I'd say even if Hamilton cleared Max, Vettel would've still closed the gap after taking his pitstops, and having fresher rubber and less fuel load towards the end, he would've overtaken Hamilton, Since he clearly had pace advantage. See, it's quite easy to play this game, and quite easy to come up with all sorts of different scenarios.

Like Hamilton overtook Verstapen??? Or lack of overtaking with the pace advantage he had over the red bull....it’s hard to pass on that track....but if Max wouldn’t have been in front of Hamster slowing him down Vettel would have NOT won that race....but that is just my opinion....you clearly have yours set differently

[tifosi1993]

Like Hamilton overtook Verstapen??? Or lack of overtaking with the pace advantage he had over the red bull....it’s hard to pass on that track....but if Max wouldn’t have been in front of Hamster slowing him down Vettel would have NOT won that race....but that is just my opinion....you clearly have yours set differently

Again, I'm not interested in "if", "but", "should", "could" etc..etc...

Let me simplify my argument: do you seriously believe that, if Hamilton had clear pace advantage over Vettel, he would've gone for the risky undercut while knowing quite well that he would not be clearing Verstappen during his pit-stop?
If he was actually leading that race with clear margin, like 5-15 seconds margin, he would've only mirrored Vettel's pitstops and gone for the overcut. But that's not the case here.

It doesn't matter what Hamilton could've/would've done if he had overtaken Max. The quite simple fact is, Ferrari and Vettel forced Hamilton and Mercedes to go for the risky undercut, luck had nothing to do with it. Vettel was on DRS range and the gap was 0.8 seconds, quite clearly demonstrating that Hamilton never had any pace advantage over Vettel. It was Vettel-Ferrari who've had the race pace advantage over Hamilton-Mercedes.

Vettel fanboy's like chinmay have only one agenda: it's to parrot over and over again the false picture of Vettel being the "da best" and Ferrari cars being "da crap".

[stefa]

Just asking, without intent to insult anyone, is all this what has happen 3 years ago really that important, when we all know that LH and Mercedes won WDC and CWC at the end?!

[FerrariF60]

Again, I'm not interested in "if", "but", "should", "could" etc..etc...

Let me simplify my argument: do you seriously believe that, if Hamilton had clear pace advantage over Vettel, he would've gone for the risky undercut while knowing quite well that he would not be clearing Verstappen during his pit-stop?
If he was actually leading that race with clear margin, like 5-15 seconds margin, he would've only mirrored Vettel's pitstops and gone for the overcut. But that's not the case here.

It doesn't matter what Hamilton could've/would've done if he had overtaken Max. The quite simple fact is, Ferrari and Vettel forced Hamilton and Mercedes to go for the risky undercut, luck had nothing to do with it. Vettel was on DRS range and the gap was 0.8 seconds, quite clearly demonstrating that Hamilton never had any pace advantage over Vettel. It was Vettel-Ferrari who've had the race pace advantage over Hamilton-Mercedes.

Vettel fanboy's like chinmay have only one agenda: it's to parrot over and over again the false picture of Vettel being the "da best" and Ferrari cars being "da crap".

Well that’s chinmay’s problem if he is a Vettel fanboy.....well we all know he is....I’m personally a Ferrari fan first and foremost, for me drivers come and go and only the best ones stick in my mind....the ones that actually drive around a car that is NOT perfect....(cars that are rockets from the likes of the designer Newey) and these are the likes of Schumacher, Alonso....just to name a couple...for me WCC if far more important then the WDC

Vettel on the other hand, if the car is not near perfect he’s nowhere, he can’t adjust and drive around a car with some issues like the drivers I’ve mentioned above

[chinmay]

Lap 16: Vettel's closing in on Ham
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Qhttps://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q.jpg

Lap 17: Vettel less than a second behind and will have DRS
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCtqa.jpg

Lap 17: But Hamilton ducks into the pitlane, Ferrari goes for the overcut with Vettel
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCIpA.jpg

Lap 24: And it works and Vettel comes out ahead of Hamilton
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCZfM.jpg

Now Mercedes knew beforehand that Hamilton would come out behind Max. But they had no choice but go for the undercut.
The entire opening stint Hamilton couldn't open a gap and on lap 17 Vettel was on DRS range.

"Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory"...yeah right, as if he was cruising before the pit-stops. And I can play this game as well. I'd say even if Hamilton cleared Max, Vettel would've still closed the gap after taking his pitstops, and having fresher rubber and less fuel load towards the end, he would've overtaken Hamilton, Since he clearly had pace advantage. See, it's quite easy to play this game, and quite easy to come up with all sorts of different scenarios.

You are simply adding visual touch to what I wrote. Tell me one thing, would Vettel win the race if there was no Verstappen in between? Yes or No.

Christian Horner, post-race:


Congratulations to Sebastian, I think he owes us a beer.

[FerrariF60]

You are simply adding visual touch to what I wrote. Tell me one thing, would Vettel win the race if there was no Verstappen in between? Yes or No.

Christian Horner, post-race:

Tifoso1993.....is thT the yeR you were born??? Anyways leave him alone chinmay, he’s got the beer goggles ON......lolhe sees everything pink when it comes to Vettel.....

I absolute love when Ferrari wins a race.....and I go ballistic when it wins it on merit and dominates the race from start to finish....OZ 2017 mate, it wasn’t the case, we got lucky.....hey I’ll take it, a wins a win....but it tastes so much better when we win on merit and NOT with a bit of luck, which in this case we honed in on some

[PURE PASSION]

AS Stefa said, stop arguing gor what happened 3 years ago!!!!
The truth is somewhere between. Yes Vet actualy won just because Ves hold up Ham for 3 laps ,just enough for Vet to end up infront after his pit stop!!! If Ham had clear track in front of him after his pit stop,there was no way foe Vet to be faster with old tires then Ham with new ones!!!!!! Thats it end of story!!!!!
On the other hand what tifosi must want to say is that in race pace at Aus gp at 2017 we where on the same pace as Mercs and propably a little bit faster!!!Thats what the 1st stint show us where Vet could easily stay about 2 secs behind Ham and before the pit stops was even faster!!!! And on the other hand after when the order change after the pit stops, Ham couldnt realy keep up with Vets pace. Some said that he lift up ,but even if he did,he did it just because he couldnt push enough to put pressure on Vet.IF he had better pace then Vet ,we would see him stick behind Vet for some laps and then bacause its defficult to overtake at Melbourne,to lift to save the engine etc.BUT we never saw that thats why i trully nelieve that Vet was a bit faster in that race !!!!!

[paolo lalli]

Move forward Ferrari fans looking backwards will only give you a sore neck.

[Cevertmyhero]

As much as we are all looking forward to the first race, I fear it is going to be a bloodbath. The Mercs are further ahead than ever and at very very best we will be fighting with RBR.

[Tony]

As much as we are all looking forward to the first race, I fear it is going to be a bloodbath. The Mercs are further ahead than ever and at very very best we will be fighting with RBR.

I agree that the Mercs are farther ahead... the good news though, is that this is a shortened season, so it will go by quickly at least!

[tifosi1993]

You are simply adding visual touch to what I wrote. Tell me one thing, would Vettel win the race if there was no Verstappen in between? Yes or No.

Christian Horner, post-race:

Stop posting your usual nonsense dude. You said Hamilton was cruising, which he clearly wasn't. And it's quite funny, seeing how you're ignoring the 0.8 sec gap, and making it sound like Hamilton's undercut attempt had nothing to do with the fact the Vettel was breathing down on his neck and would've used the DRS, plus Hamilton was struggling with his tyres. And as if Ferrari magically put Verstappen there so could prove to be a effective roadblock for Hamilton.


I was struggling with the grip from the get-go. Sebastian was able to always answer in terms of lap time and the majority of the time do faster lap times and then towards the end I got a bit in traffic and the car started to overheat the tyres and I was struggling with grip and it was to the point that I needed to come in.

In the end Hamilton couldn't overtake Verstappen, just like when he couldn't shake off Vettel. And I don't care another one of your's alternate theory/scenarios. If roles were reversed, people like you would be first one to come up with theory's like, "How Ferrari couldn't open up a gap to Hamilton, that' why Vettel was stuck behind Verstappen after pitstops, and Hamilton would've won the race anyway since he had no problem closing the gap when he wished and his fastest lap was better...blah...blah"

But I'm not interested in your "would, coulda" nonsense dude. The simple fact that, Vettel had won three of the first six races of 2017, and finished 2nd on the other three, clearly demonstrates SF70's competitiveness, and Ferrari, both in 2017 and 2018 started with a strong car from the get go. And in the end he lost the title by 46 points, when he gave away two easy race wins in Baku and Singapore.

[tifosi1993]

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[Rishu]

Give it a rest guys, only a week before action resumes

[nani_s23]

Give it a rest guys, only a week before action resumes

It’s the same drama in every thread. Better we carry on with our routine works :-)

[nani_s23]

[]AMuS]

Red Bull will also have a big upgrade Helmut Marko: "The car in Spielberg will not be identical to the one that we would have seen in Melbourne. We brought the upgrade to the car that was scheduled for the fifth race in Barcelona and a second one now for Spielberg."

Helmut Marko: "Everything is based on CFD and wind tunnel data. There is a certain amount of uncertainty. You use the third development step without knowing how the first and second update would have felt in practice. We have to assume the data is accurate."


Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

Reports from Italy about Ferrari coming to Spielberg with a big update that includes a slimmer front wing, new gearbox, a new rear axle and 30 HP more from the engine are false.

A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward." The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

Ferrari with smaller changes, while Mercedes and Red Bull to introduce bigger update packages. It will be interesting to see how the pecking order appears - Is it Mercedes, Red Bull, Racing Point and Ferrari or is it slightly different with Red Bull ahead. We'll find out soon.

Small upgrades from Alfa Romeo and McLaren for Spielberg. Despite the short time, Alfa Romeo even made the changes that were in the development schedule for the races in Austria and England.

Racing Point already had a big upgrade for Melbourne and won't bring another one for Spielberg. Alpha Tauri also made some small changes and those were already seen during the filming day in Imola. Only Haas will drive with the Melbourne spec (without changes) in Spielberg.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/technik-upgrades-gp-oesterreich-spielberg-mercedes-ferrari-red-bull/

This they have been doing all the ages. I hear the same story every year beginning, by the time race reaches Abu Dhabi “we understood the car, now we need to understand tyre behaviour”.

Hopefully we will be in better shape come new regs, else this catching other car isn’t possible for Ferrari. Better they lead & win.

[FerrariF60]

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[FerrariF60]

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[tifosi1993]

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[tifosi1993]

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[Tony]

Guys, please stop with the personal insults.

[paolo lalli]

This year's f1 calender will be rapid fire fast and furious, any mistakes will be very costly.Ferrari can not miandare with upgrades as if it a stroll through some medieval italian town.This year especially you have to blast out of the box.I sense mercedes red bull are going for early knock outs against each other, any remaining teams with a passive mentality will be left behind.It will be fast furious and aggressive .

[tifosi1993]

The wheels haven't turned yet, and people are already writing Ferrari off. Oh well.
Maybe it's just me, but to me it seems extremely foolish thing to do, to write a team off based on the winter testing.

I don't know what will happen in July 5th, I don't have access to other peoples crystal balls. But it will be quite satisfying, if the SF1000 turns out to be quite competitive and proves the naysayers here wrong.

[tifosi1993]

This year's f1 calender will be rapid fire fast and furious, any mistakes will be very costly.Ferrari can not miandare with upgrades as if it a stroll through some medieval italian town.This year especially you have to blast out of the box.I sense mercedes red bull are going for early knock outs against each other, any remaining teams with a passive mentality will be left behind.It will be fast furious and aggressive .

Didn't know Italians are living in medieval age. What...they don't have access to modern roads/air travel?

[Brembo]

There's more than enough positive energy within our 2 drivers to win races. Charles we know will give it all he can and knows what he's doing in the tight spots. Seb for sure wants to go out a Ferrari WDC and will give 100% . The cars can't be that far behind the other contenders competition wise, their Ferraris !!! Ferrari fans need only to block Binotto out of there mind and the season will be competitive and great watching the top 3 go at it. It could very well be wheel to wheel combat at it's best.

[jgonzalesm6]

Schedule first week of racing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbhfInSXQAAidCu?format=jpg&name=large

[jgonzalesm6]

RedBull "unpacking"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbnSyvkX0AAvhd5?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbnS0mfX0AEOs3q?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbnS1kgXQAAwOK0?format=jpg&name=medium

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes has unveiled a new, black livery for the 2020 Formula 1 season as part of a new campaign to fight racism.

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/7b9/image/7b9ad1a7a4baeaf63d537b58fd8ad33d.jpg

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/c88/image/c8852fe27fe7dc84fbdccf2710f1060e.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes has unveiled a new, black livery for the 2020 Formula 1 season as part of a new campaign to fight racism.

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/7b9/image/7b9ad1a7a4baeaf63d537b58fd8ad33d.jpg

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/c88/image/c8852fe27fe7dc84fbdccf2710f1060e.jpg

This is....absolutely gorgeous.

[DJTaurus]

All lives matter for gods shake which these companies on the same wagon. Pffffff

[WS6TransAm01]

Mercedes has unveiled a new, black livery for the 2020 Formula 1 season as part of a new campaign to fight racism.

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/7b9/image/7b9ad1a7a4baeaf63d537b58fd8ad33d.jpg

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/c88/image/c8852fe27fe7dc84fbdccf2710f1060e.jpg

Holy pander batman!

Pathetic.

[Rishu]

Mercedes has unveiled a new, black livery for the 2020 Formula 1 season as part of a new campaign to fight racism.

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/7b9/image/7b9ad1a7a4baeaf63d537b58fd8ad33d.jpg

https://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/1.67/dir/c88/image/c8852fe27fe7dc84fbdccf2710f1060e.jpg

Looks very nice, for a good cause as well. Might help them camouflage some aero development as well

[stefa]

All lives matter for gods shake which these companies on the same wagon. Pffffff

:thumb

[PURE PASSION]

For the 1st time in my life that i feel so pessimistic for the start of a season. Every other year , even if the rumours /tests use to indicate that we where in a bad situation, i use to hope that we will tyrn things around shortly .
Now (starting from last year) i feel hopeless!!! I see that the team are completly lost and thay actually dont have a clue about what is happening with the car. They look like they are in quick sand with nothing to grab on !!!!!
And all this started from last year (is it Binnoto to blame or is it higher the problem ???!!) where we started with the wrong project with the front end ,and since then we are stack there powerless to react. And this is what frustrates the most!! WHY we kept it this year ,when it became so obvious that it was thge main problem last year.With this project we cant ganerate enough dowforce in the front and it causes so many problems (tire managment, turning speed etc). And still we kept it this year also.WHY????!! Every other team (except alfa romeo/ haas ,aka ferrari partners) are searching for other solutions (other front wings/ slimmer noses , cape under the nose etc) ,but not us !!!!!
It looks like we have some stubborn people on the wheel who are making some bad dicisions and their ego dont let the team react !!!!!!

[stefa]

For the 1st time in my life that i feel so pessimistic for the start of a season. Every other year , even if the rumours /tests use to indicate that we where in a bad situation, i use to hope that we will tyrn things around shortly .
Now (starting from last year) i feel hopeless!!! I see that the team are completly lost and thay actually dont have a clue about what is happening with the car. They look like they are in quick sand with nothing to grab on !!!!!
And all this started from last year (is it Binnoto to blame or is it higher the problem ???!!) where we started with the wrong project with the front end ,and since then we are stack there powerless to react. And this is what frustrates the most!! WHY we kept it this year ,when it became so obvious that it was thge main problem last year.With this project we cant ganerate enough dowforce in the front and it causes so many problems (tire managment, turning speed etc). And still we kept it this year also.WHY????!! Every other team (except alfa romeo/ haas ,aka ferrari partners) are searching for other solutions (other front wings/ slimmer noses , cape under the nose etc) ,but not us !!!!!
It looks like we have some stubborn people on the wheel who are making some bad dicisions and their ego dont let the team react !!!!!!

We'll see in just couple of days... Any way there are plenty more important things in life!

[aroutis]

You are simply adding visual touch to what I wrote. Tell me one thing, would Vettel win the race if there was no Verstappen in between? Yes or No.

Christian Horner, post-race:

It really does not matter.
A race is the summary of all events.

Go think of what I just told you.

[PURE PASSION]

We'll see in just couple of days... Any way there are plenty more important things in life!

For sure there are a lot more important things in life!!!!!
For example, a month ago my wife gave birth to my little princess!!!! My 3d child and after 2 beautiful boys that my daughter arrived ..... well they are my whole world !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that Ferrari is a different unique part of my life!!!!

[stefa]

For sure there are a lot more important things in life!!!!!
For example, a month ago my wife gave birth to my little princess!!!! My 3d child and after 2 beautiful boys that my daughter arrived ..... well they are my whole world !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that Ferrari is a different unique part of my life!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

I am a father of two beautiful princesses (10 and 12) :-D

[PURE PASSION]

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

I am a father of two beautiful princesses (10 and 12) :-D
I wish all the health and happiness of the world for your girls !!!!!!
Mine are 13 , 7 and now my little one!!!

[drax]

For sure there are a lot more important things in life!!!!!
For example, a month ago my wife gave birth to my little princess!!!! My 3d child and after 2 beautiful boys that my daughter arrived ..... well they are my whole world !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that Ferrari is a different unique part of my life!!!!

Congratulations !!

[nani_s23]

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

I am a father of two beautiful princesses (10 and 12) :-D

Happy family :)
I’m father of 10Day baby boy...!! Now the journey starts from here.

[nani_s23]

For sure there are a lot more important things in life!!!!!
For example, a month ago my wife gave birth to my little princess!!!! My 3d child and after 2 beautiful boys that my daughter arrived ..... well they are my whole world !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that Ferrari is a different unique part of my life!!!!

Happy family :thumb

[PURE PASSION]

Thanks a lot mate !!!

[paolo lalli]

Yes iam with you there are more important things in life family and good friends far out weigh fi.So we can easily forgive Ferrari for getting the design concept wrong again and that there season will not start smoothly so what...

[stefa]

Happy family :)
I’m father of 10Day baby boy...!! Now the journey starts from here.

ALL THE BEST!!!!

[stefa]

No Ferrari upgrades in Austria as team targets Hungary for major aero update
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29388112/no-ferrari-upgrades-austria-team-targets-hungary-major-aero-update

Standard tactics of playing catch up?!

[T99]

No Ferrari upgrades in Austria as team targets Hungary for major aero update
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29388112/no-ferrari-upgrades-austria-team-targets-hungary-major-aero-update

Standard tactics of playing catch up?!

The incompetence of this team is unbelievable, so they had a car last year which was built around the wrong concept, and they decide to keep the same car concept for this year but only for the pre season tests, and they finally decide that the concept is indeed wrong, so now they expect to correct that midseason by perusing a different concept in the development of the car, I mean really??

[WS6TransAm01]

The incompetence of this team is unbelievable, so they had a car last year which was built around the wrong concept, and they decide to keep the same car concept for this year but only for the pre season tests, and they finally decide that the concept is indeed wrong, so now they expect to correct that midseason by perusing a different concept in the development of the car, I mean really??

Seems like a complete failure of leadership.

Charles' talent will be wasted for years while Fish Lips and Two Chains rack up with wins and championships.

[FerrariF60]

No Ferrari upgrades in Austria as team targets Hungary for major aero update
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29388112/no-ferrari-upgrades-austria-team-targets-hungary-major-aero-update

Standard tactics of playing catch up?!

Yup, what else is new....same old story since 2009.....time to change with something else as this is gettin old....

[FerrariF60]

Seems like a complete failure of leadership.

Charles' talent will be wasted for years while Fish Lips and Two Chains rack up with wins and championships.

Could not have said it any better myself

[The Architect]

Force India might as well paint their cars silver so we can pretend we're battling them for the championship.

[Greig]

Yeah how incompetent to totally change the car in 5 weeks......are you guys actually serious?

[Honzus]

Yeah how incompetent to totally change the car in 5 weeks......are you guys actually serious?

Exactly plus we don't know anything about real pecking order, how fast we are, but we already know, that the team is incompetent and many other "interesting" facts taken probably from some crystal ball... :Hmm

[Rishu]

Are Mercedes gonna run DAS? has it been deemed legal?

[jgonzalesm6]

Are Mercedes gonna run DAS? has it been deemed legal?


DAS is legal UNTIL 2021.

So far, DAS is at there disposal BUT no word if Mercedes will use it. I guess we'll see if either Lewis or Bottas uses it during qualifying or during the race via on-board cam.

[Rishu]

DAS is legal UNTIL 2021.

So far, DAS is at there disposal BUT no word if Mercedes will use it. I guess we'll see if either Lewis or Bottas uses it during qualifying or during the race via on-board cam.

They have good tracks under revised calender. S1 in Austria with 2 races, 2 rounds in Silverstone, 2 in Spa & then of course Monza

[ferrari1.8t]

Yeah how incompetent to totally change the car in 5 weeks......are you guys actually serious?

After our wings were clipped last year they knew our package/chassis wasn’t going to cut it. The new development should have started then. Showing up in 2020 with virtually the same car was definitely upsetting and the wrong way to go. They had more than 5 weeks to develop a proper package if they would have started last year with a new concept.

I hope the damage isn’t too bad and that we are higher that 4th-5th in the pecking order.

[springfield]

DAS is legal UNTIL 2021.

So far, DAS is at there disposal BUT no word if Mercedes will use it. I guess we'll see if either Lewis or Bottas uses it during qualifying or during the race via on-board cam.

FIA deemed it legal, but stewards might decide otherwise. RB already said they will protest it if Merc are going to use it.

[wisepie]

Seems like a complete failure of leadership.

Charles' talent will be wasted for years while Fish Lips and Two Chains rack up with wins and championships.

Sadly that seems to be the case, but at least let's wait and see what the car is like on track this weekend before we all lose the will to live, and you'd better be careful what descriptive names you use for drivers, in this day and age it's very dangerous and may be found upsetting!!;-)

[T99]

Exactly plus we don't know anything about real pecking order, how fast we are, but we already know, that the team is incompetent and many other "interesting" facts taken probably from some crystal ball... :Hmm


We don’t know anything about the pecking order but according to our team principal “we’ve got the wrong car concept and will need to develop the car in a complete different direction” these are his words, now either this is just him managing expectations or if this is true then there’s no other word to describe but incompetence. The car concept was already wrong last year according to him so why come to this season when the regulations are exactly the same with the same concept to just decide changing it completely before the season even starts? If this isn’t incompetence then I don’t know what is.
The incompetence is not for not being able to change it in 5 weeks it’s because of sticking to the same car concept from last year just to change it completely before the season even starts, this is either him managing expectations, otherwise it’s just ludicrous that a professional team behaves in this way

[jgonzalesm6]

New livery on the MCL35 (sidepod area and halo area (rainbow))

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1rraUXkAELHNp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1ruP6XsAYg8UV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1rwlpWoAAP9Zz?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1rzr_XkAApPT2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Honzus]

We don’t know anything about the pecking order but according to our team principal “we’ve got the wrong car concept and will need to develop the car in a complete different direction” these are his words, now either this is just him managing expectations or if this is true then there’s no other word to describe but incompetence. The car concept was already wrong last year according to him so why come to this season when the regulations are exactly the same with the same concept to just decide changing it completely before the season even starts? If this isn’t incompetence then I don’t know what is.
The incompetence is not for not being able to change it in 5 weeks it’s because of sticking to the same car concept from last year just to change it completely before the season even starts, this is either him managing expectations, otherwise it’s just ludicrous that a professional team behaves in this way

They focused on improving downforce and packaging which should lead to better aerodynamics. In combination with crippled engine after all the complaints from RB and MB it proved as non effective solution. Simulations were probably telling a different story at the beginning.

COVID quarantine slowed them down from doing big development steps. So they tried to understand current "not fastest" car and they will try to harvest maximum potential out of it in 2 Austria races.
In 18 days they will try to bring B-spec car with more potential to Hungary.

Till then I will wait, support Ferrari and be hoping for the B-spec. It is easy to tell about somebody he is incompetent, but from outside we don't have all the information.

[Honzus]

New livery on the MCL35 (sidepod area and halo area (rainbow))

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1rraUXkAELHNp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1ruP6XsAYg8UV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1rwlpWoAAP9Zz?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb1rzr_XkAApPT2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

so definitely gay parade? :clap

[jgonzalesm6]

so definitely gay parade? :clap

Williams is runnig the 'rainbow" mark on the rear wing.

Take it easy on the P&R rhetoeric......(fyi, I'm not homosexual)

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes intends to run new "DAS" system at Austria. Helmut Marko didn't want to confirm yet whether Red Bull still plans to lodge a protest like they had announced before Melbourne.

AMuS (in German): https://auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/merce


"It is possible that Red Bull will let Mercedes use DAS on Friday to see its advantage. Opinions differ greatly there, some say it's half a second, others two tenths etc.
If the advantage is big, trouble is inevitable."



AMuS also wrote that Ferrari didn't bring their upgrade to Austria because it's quite a big one and it wasn't finished in time.

"Subliminally Ferrari expresses its astonishment how Merc/RB were able to produce so many new parts in time despite the 63-day factory closure."

[PURE PASSION]

"Subliminally Ferrari expresses its astonishment how Merc/RB were able to produce so many new parts in time despite the 63-day factory closure."
Well, according to them, those upgrades where sceduled even before winter testing. It's the Spanish gp update + some more. So they probably started making that before the close down

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari may not have brought any meaningful upgrades for this race, but they have done their homework for this race. Austria isn't heavily aero demanding, nor it is technical. A car with good straightline speed and stable rear end will do quite well here.
All I hope that Ferrari will go through this weekend without any major reliability issues.

[WS6TransAm01]

Yeah how incompetent to totally change the car in 5 weeks......are you guys actually serious?

When you see other top teams bringing upgrades while Ferrari doddle is the very definition of incompetence. Even if Ferrari were favored to win, to stand still while your opponents progress is... well... idiotic.

And this isn't the first time that Ferrari have failed the development race.

While Merc and RBR were developing upgrades, what were Ferrari doing? Playing canasta?


Sadly that seems to be the case, but at least let's wait and see what the car is like on track this weekend before we all lose the will to live, and you'd better be careful what descriptive names you use for drivers, in this day and age it's very dangerous and may be found upsetting!!;-)

Meh. Snowflakes gonna snowflake. I am not changing my language to oblige the mob. :-D

[Aziz]

When you see other top teams bringing upgrades while Ferrari doddle is the very definition of incompetence. Even if Ferrari were favored to win, to stand still while your opponents progress is... well... idiotic.

And this isn't the first time that Ferrari have failed the development race.

While Merc and RBR were developing upgrades, what were Ferrari doing? Playing canasta?



Meh. Snowflakes gonna snowflake. I am not changing my language to oblige the mob. :-D

Of course they are lost, completely. They have been lost since 2009 and will not recover for a long time

[WS6TransAm01]

Of course they are lost, completely. They have been lost since 2009 and will not recover for a long time

That's really REALLY sad.

[Aziz]

That's really REALLY sad.

And the best part is they are getting payed extremely well for being 3rd or 2nd best. They getting payed like a championship team but in reality they a group of clueless idiots

[tifosi1993]

Of course they are lost, completely. They have been lost since 2009 and will not recover for a long time

So they are "lost" and "incompetent" because they haven't brought any major upgrades for this race? OK. And you are mentioning 2009, Okay...what about the year before 2009? Or are we only going to focus on "bad" years?
I know going after this team is pretty normal nowadays. But why not wait a little, less than 48 hours to go and after that we shall know everything.

[Cavallino]

Ferrari may not have brought any meaningful upgrades for this race, but they have done their homework for this race. Austria isn't heavily aero demanding, nor it is technical. A car with good straightline speed and stable rear end will do quite well here.
All I hope that Ferrari will go through this weekend without any major reliability issues.

I agree.

So yes, the AERO upgrade is not available for this race, but as you point out, we don't really need it. I do believe, and I may be wrong, that there are still other upgrades coming for this race, mainly the new spec engine and the reinforced suspension.

Then come Hungary, when you need a better aero package, it will be available.

Don't forget, Charles was VERY competitive here last year with last year's concept, and that was before the Singapore aero upgrade and the engine fuel improvements (that may or may not be true). Charles only lost due to tyre wear, which is something Ferrari HAS improved on.

Also don't forget that Charles was very close to Hamilton's long run times in testing.

So, it stands to reason that a refinement of last year's package can be very competitive in Austria. Good enough for damage limitation, and possibly more.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari poster

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb2psxlWoAEnDCw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[jgonzalesm6]

The only equalizer to this track is mother nature regarding MB and Redbull upgrades.

The track currently is experiencing showers.

Could we see showers towards the weekend.

[tifosi1993]

I agree.

So yes, the AERO upgrade is not available for this race, but as you point out, we don't really need it. I do believe, and I may be wrong, that there are still other upgrades coming for this race, mainly the new spec engine and the reinforced suspension.

Then come Hungary, when you need a better aero package, it will be available.

Don't forget, Charles was VERY competitive here last year with last year's concept, and that was before the Singapore aero upgrade and the engine fuel improvements (that may or may not be true). Charles only lost due to tyre wear, which is something Ferrari HAS improved on.

Also don't forget that Charles was very close to Hamilton's long run times in testing.

So, it stands to reason that a refinement of last year's package can be very competitive in Austria. Good enough for damage limitation, and possibly more.

Well first of all, I think most "experts" here don't fully grasp last year's predicament. Most "experts" here talks about downforce and what not, and gets triggered when they can't detect any new visual features on the car. But they often forget/don't know anything about "Vehicle Dynamics". Last years SF90's main problem was race pace, and they way it handled it's tyres on full tank. Tyre issues are a result of how the vehicle's dynamics work the tyres on a given surface. Vehicle dynamics are a result of aerodynamics and mechanical balance. It's not as simple as saying "Oh last year's car lacked downforce", because SF90 had no problem with high-speed corners. The problem was excessive tyre wear and bad low-speed cornering.

And we still haven't had one race weekend yet, but people have already jumped the gun.

[tifosi1993]

The only equalizer to this track is mother nature regarding MB and Redbull upgrades.

The track currently is experiencing showers.

Could we see showers towards the weekend.

There's another equalizer: those upgrades are not really that substantial/may not work as intended. Just because teams have brought new parts, it doesn't mean each and every single one of those new parts are going to work as intended.

[jgonzalesm6]

There's another equalizer: those upgrades are not really that substantial/may not work as intended. Just because teams have brought new parts, it doesn't mean each and every single one of those new parts are going to work as intended.

Well, we are talking about MB and RedBull.....not to mention this is RedBull's track. Then there's practice where the teams take aero grids via pitot tubes and flo-viz to see if the up-grades will help......which given both teams....I'm confident they will.

So I'm hoping for rain to equalize the top three.....otherwise we could be looking at 3rd place.

[stefa]

So they are "lost" and "incompetent" because they haven't brought any major upgrades for this race? OK. And you are mentioning 2009, Okay...what about the year before 2009? Or are we only going to focus on "bad" years?
I know going after this team is pretty normal nowadays. But why not wait a little, less than 48 hours to go and after that we shall know everything.

You realize that year before 2009 was 12 years ago?!

[tifosi1993]

You realize that year before 2009 was 12 years ago?!

3.78683424x10^8

But counting years wasn't the point.

[PURE PASSION]

Well first of all, I think most "experts" here don't fully grasp last year's predicament. Most "experts" here talks about downforce and what not, and gets triggered when they can't detect any new visual features on the car. But they often forget/don't know anything about "Vehicle Dynamics". Last years SF90's main problem was race pace, and they way it handled it's tyres on full tank. Tyre issues are a result of how the vehicle's dynamics work the tyres on a given surface. Vehicle dynamics are a result of aerodynamics and mechanical balance. It's not as simple as saying "Oh last year's car lacked downforce", because SF90 had no problem with high-speed corners. The problem was excessive tyre wear and bad low-speed cornering.

And we still haven't had one race weekend yet, but people have already jumped the gun.

Well the team itself (Binotto-Vettel-Leclerc etc) simply said last year that we lack front downforce. And this causing all sorts of problems in the rest of the car and its dynamics mostly bacause we where trying to "fix" this problem mostly on set-up changes!!!
Now for this year the sad true is that the tean failed to "read" correctly last years faults ,to dasign a car without them. They simply tryied to "evolve" the SF-90 witch proved total failure. And all THIS are not my words and claims but Mr Binotto's !!!!! From last years Australian GP till now ,according to him the team failed to dasign a winning car and made the wrong dicisions .
NOW myself i feel completely disappointed with the team ,espacialy with the path they took this year. BUT i will give them another chance and wait ti see what we will unveil in Hungary !

[Greig]

When you see other top teams bringing upgrades while Ferrari doddle is the very definition of incompetence. Even if Ferrari were favored to win, to stand still while your opponents progress is... well... idiotic.

And this isn't the first time that Ferrari have failed the development race.

While Merc and RBR were developing upgrades, what were Ferrari doing? Playing canasta?



Meh. Snowflakes gonna snowflake. I am not changing my language to oblige the mob. :-D

These other teams have not changed the whole design philosophy of the car in 5 weeks. Maybe you would prefer we just carried on in the wrong direction? Sometimes you have to take a few steps back to go forward. Not sure how you can say that is standing still but never mind you might one day find something supportive about the team you claim to support. But I doubt it....

[paolo lalli]

Thank God that the Ferrari rd car engineer and designers are far away from the Ferrari f1 division of incompetent clue less clowns the jobs for the boys principle has bitten Ferrari f1 on the backside again and again.Captain BINOTTO is one of the boys luckily Ferrari f1 are a rich organisation that can afford mistakes other wise they would have folded long ago with the financial breaking errors.Even teams with a fraction of the budget and the technology embarrase Ferrari even with there very little they are mighty with leadership.

[WS6TransAm01]

These other teams have not changed the whole design philosophy of the car in 5 weeks. Maybe you would prefer we just carried on in the wrong direction? Sometimes you have to take a few steps back to go forward. Not sure how you can say that is standing still but never mind you might one day find something supportive about the team you claim to support. But I doubt it....

Stockholm syndrome much?

Hard to be supportive when all they do is disappoint; year in, year out. The support tends to run out after a decade of crap.

[Greig]

Stockholm syndrome much?

Hard to be supportive when all they do is disappoint; year in, year out. The support tends to run out after a decade of crap.

Depends on if you have to be winning every year to be a fan I suppose, but if that's what you need then no idea why you would have supported Ferrari to begin with....

Many probably feel the same about your posts here tbh.

[FerrariF60]

You realize that year before 2009 was 12 years ago?!

and also 2008 it was the last year we had a championship winning car and WHY????? because unlimited real track testing was still allowed.....ever since it was banned, ferrari's wing got clipped and were lost ever since.....not a a clue using wind tunnel and CFD

[chinmay]

The problem lies in the tech tools - wind tunnel, cfd etc.. Whatever they see virtually never translates on track.

[tifosi1993]

Well the team itself (Binotto-Vettel-Leclerc etc) simply said last year that we lack front downforce. And this causing all sorts of problems in the rest of the car and its dynamics mostly bacause we where trying to "fix" this problem mostly on set-up changes!!!
Now for this year the sad true is that the tean failed to "read" correctly last years faults ,to dasign a car without them. They simply tryied to "evolve" the SF-90 witch proved total failure. And all THIS are not my words and claims but Mr Binotto's !!!!! From last years Australian GP till now ,according to him the team failed to dasign a winning car and made the wrong dicisions .
NOW myself i feel completely disappointed with the team ,espacialy with the path they took this year. BUT i will give them another chance and wait ti see what we will unveil in Hungary !

Need a source.

Now, I've heard what Ferrari said about last years SF90. "We should have focused more on downforce", which means forget aero-efficiency, put as much downfoce on the car as possible.
Last years (and this years) Pirelli tyres were constructed quite differently than 2018 version, due to having thinner tread instead, unlike the 2018 version, it pretty much rewarded high downforce. Doesn't matter how much draggier the car gets, as long as it has high downforce, the tyres will work the best.

That was the main problem of last years car. The SF90, due to being aero-efficient, couldn't work the tyres properly during races, and as a result lacked mechanical grip in slow speed corners and had excessive tyre wear. We have to remember that SF90 took 9 pole positions, and on tracks with different aero balance, like Singapore, Suzuka and Monza, three tracks with totally different aero loads. But it struggled during Sunday's race, because it couldn't hold on to its tyres as well as the Mercedes.

[ferenc_k]

Need a source.

Now, I've heard what Ferrari said about last years SF90. "We should have focused more on downforce", which means forget aero-efficiency, put as much downfoce on the car as possible.
Last years (and this years) Pirelli tyres were constructed quite differently than 2018 version, due to having thinner tread instead, unlike the 2018 version, it pretty much rewarded high downforce. Doesn't matter how much draggier the car gets, as long as it has high downforce, the tyres will work the best.

That was the main problem of last years car. The SF90, due to being aero-efficient, couldn't work the tyres properly during races, and as a result lacked mechanical grip in slow speed corners and had excessive tyre wear. We have to remember that SF90 took 9 pole positions, and on tracks with different aero balance, like Singapore, Suzuka and Monza, three tracks with totally different aero loads. But it struggled during Sunday's race, because it couldn't hold on to its tyres as well as the Mercedes.

Thanks for the explanation, quite refreshing to read it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Safety car and medical car....new logo...."WeRaceAsOne"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6BaKeXkAAycl1?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6BbFaX0AAllSa?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6Bb7GXsAA32Bg?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6BcuBXgAI9wgG?format=jpg&name=900x900

[jgonzalesm6]

An error was found in Hamilton’s car, that’s why all Mercedes engines (also customers) needs to be removed from all cars to check and fix.

[tifosi1993]

The Mercedes Carbon Black...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6ch0HXsAA5nTK?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6cie3XgAEnbZO?format=jpg&name=medium

Oh how I wish Ferrari would do something different with their livery. Black wings, Gold rims and Blood Red body paint...that would look epic. But instead we get the ugly "Mission Winnow"

[FerrariF60]

The problem lies in the tech tools - wind tunnel, cfd etc.. Whatever they see virtually never translates on track.

Hence why Ferrari r3ally miss the unlimited real track testing that they did 27/7 in their backyard Fiorano track that stopped at the end of 2008....and coincidentally last year Ferrari had a real competitive car.....

Sad but really true

[WS6TransAm01]

Depends on if you have to be winning every year to be a fan I suppose, but if that's what you need then no idea why you would have supported Ferrari to begin with....

Many probably feel the same about your posts here tbh.

You realize you can support the team and still be critical of them, right? They are not mutually exclusive. Have you ever been in a managerial position where you want someone you oversee to succeed but in order to do so you have to rectify their behavior with criticism? Criticism doesn't mean lack of support.

People have also supported my posts here. What's your point?

[jgonzalesm6]

You realize you can support the team and still be critical of them, right? They are not mutually exclusive. Have you ever been in a managerial position where you want someone you oversee to succeed but in order to do so you have to rectify their behavior with criticism? Criticism doesn't mean lack of support.

People have also supported my posts here. What's your point?


:thumb

[Aziz]

Depends on if you have to be winning every year to be a fan I suppose, but if that's what you need then no idea why you would have supported Ferrari to begin with....

Many probably feel the same about your posts here tbh.

Nooo, Ferrari is competing in F1 to be 3rd or 2nd, so we as fans must be over the moon happy, when they do the same thing 12 years in row, they even started to recycle the same excuses form a decad ago. But we are fans we all love Ferrari and we all want them to be the best version of themselves they can be

[jgonzalesm6]

Aero updates on the W11

one pylon rear wing already tested in Barcelona. Different top wing and less downforce.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6vUFFXYAEJvcj?format=jpg&name=large


New mirrors

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb66K8pWsAE1Sfx?format=jpg&name=medium


New diffuse

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb69xLdXgAATEJ9?format=jpg&name=medium




New bargeboards for Renault. Full revised with new vertical fins.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7G48NWoAMK_gd?format=jpg&name=large


New front wing top flaps for Renault to improve outwash. 3rd.element connected to main plane. Interesting.
New sideplate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7SbXAU0AE5XPM?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7ScBHWAAEi9GL?format=jpg&name=large



Difficult to see from the distance, but looks that McLaren has another difusor configuration.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7W-qnVcAEDK2V?format=jpg&name=medium

[jgonzalesm6]

Nooo, Ferrari is competing in F1 to be 3rd or 2nd, so we as fans must be over the moon happy, when they do the same thing 12 years in row, they even started to recycle the same excuses form a decad ago. But we are fans we all love Ferrari and we all want them to be the best version of themselves they can be

:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

Track got some rain today....again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7GBnbUwAA_VN9?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/AlphaTauriF1/status/1278679881870643201

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1278682270019325954

https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1278682636597317633


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7GOvPXsAAVbOq?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7F4mKX0AM2kOr?format=jpg&name=small

[Liscia]

The Mercedes Carbon Black...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6ch0HXsAA5nTK?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb6cie3XgAEnbZO?format=jpg&name=medium

Oh how I wish Ferrari would do something different with their livery. Black wings, Gold rims and Blood Red body paint...that would look epic. But instead we get the ugly "Mission Winnow"

[Liscia]

Agree about Mission Minnow but here is photographic proof that Mercedes can even make a black car look gaudy!

[WS6TransAm01]

:thumb


Nooo, Ferrari is competing in F1 to be 3rd or 2nd, so we as fans must be over the moon happy, when they do the same thing 12 years in row, they even started to recycle the same excuses form a decad ago. But we are fans we all love Ferrari and we all want them to be the best version of themselves they can be

Oh stop guys, Greig has spoken. If you criticize Ferrari you don't support them and no one agrees with me anyway.

[chinmay]

Leclerc says he is 99% sure that they will struggle more than last year which could mean that the 2020 car is slower than 2019 car. No wonder, they have decided to completely abandon the current car concept.

[wisepie]

Leclerc says he is 99% sure that they will struggle more than last year which could mean that the 2020 car is slower than 2019 car. No wonder, they have decided to completely abandon the current car concept.

I am beginning to wonder whether this season should be abandoned before it has started, judging by the negativity emerging from the team principal and the drivers. Our devotion to the cause may take a hammering once again. Sad, if that proves to be the case.:-E:-??

[SilverSpeed]

Time to dust of the yearly "Sack 'm all" thread :-P.

[JPZ]

Leclerc says he is 99% sure that they will struggle more than last year which could mean that the 2020 car is slower than 2019 car. No wonder, they have decided to completely abandon the current car concept.

If true, I don't understand how they have gone for the wrong design concept...again.

[FerrariF60]

You realize you can support the team and still be critical of them, right? They are not mutually exclusive. Have you ever been in a managerial position where you want someone you oversee to succeed but in order to do so you have to rectify their behavior with criticism? Criticism doesn't mean lack of support.

People have also supported my posts here. What's your point?

Totally agree.....but Greig has his own opinion and NO one can criticize the team if the constantly &$#& &$, lack for a better words...which Ferrari have year over year mess3d up their car concept since 2009....@nd every time they have a reason or excuse for it.....for a team like they are with a huge budget such things are hard to swallow

[FerrariF60]

If true, I don't understand how they have gone for the wrong design concept...again.

It’s Ferrari mate....that comes naturally from them.....sorry Greig, again I could not bit my lip hard enough and just burst out of my mouth....SAD, but again true from Ferrari incompetence

[nani_s23]

If true, I don't understand how they have gone for the wrong design concept...again.

2017/2018 were strong cars, don’t know why they didn’t build on top of it still a big question.
2019 they went with a different design & ended up paying a lot in race pace & tyres. I thought they learnt the lesson & come 2020 season they gonna build or at least strike those loosing points. But seems to be different. Let’s see fingers crossed.
I’m not keeping much either.

[jgonzalesm6]

NEW Rear wing endplate on the W11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7oqUFVAAYFhlR?format=jpg&name=medium

[FerrariF60]

NEW Rear wing endplate on the W11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7oqUFVAAYFhlR?format=jpg&name=medium

Good for them....I truly admire the way Merc are working.....like clockwork
Ferrari, well we’re bringing the week 2 of t3sting car that we usd in Barca for the first race in Austria....way to go boys, keep up the good work

[jgonzalesm6]

Good for them....I truly admire the way Merc are working.....like clockwork
Ferrari, well we’re bringing the week 2 of t3sting car that we usd in Barca for the first race in Austria....way to go boys, keep up the good work

:-D

[paolo lalli]

Mercedes are the bench mark red bull will be on par and snapping at there heels.Possibly 3rd best at the moment with a big question mark.Our drivers are have said openly it's going to be a tough year, frustrating as it is to fans we need to just suck it up as we have all done now for a very very long time indeed.The weather in Austria could throw a curve ball.

[SashAlex]

To win in F1, you need to be politically the strongest in most cases along with a fast car. Mercedes have been both in the past 7 years.

I just want Seb to beat Charles and show Ferrari the finger at the end of this season. I've come a long way after calling him the "Fingerboy" back in 2011-2013.

No rooting for Ferrari this season. Just Seb.

Cheers boys!

[PURE PASSION]

To win in F1, you need to be politically the strongest in most cases along with a fast car. Mercedes have been both in the past 7 years.

I just want Seb to beat Charles and show Ferrari the finger at the end of this season. I've come a long way after calling him the "Fingerboy" back in 2011-2013.

No rooting for Ferrari this season. Just Seb.

Cheers boys!

:-!

[Liscia]

Since Leclerc is decidedly Ferrari's future I hope he continues to outdo Vetell although all points accumulated by both will be welcome.
Team first always! Forza Ferrari!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis's new helmet with a BLM message.....

https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/1278780570693177345

[FerrariF60]

Omg.....now I know why some here nickname him 2 chains.....lol.....what a bone head

7691

[paolo lalli]

Lewis is a $$$$$$ bone head he smells a politically incorrect scene and the marketing and branding starts.Lets face it he has a massive stage on which to perform.Drivers should all have on there helmets All lives matter amen.

[stefa]

Lewis is a $$$$$$ bone head he smells a politically incorrect scene and the marketing and branding starts.Lets face it he has a massive stage on which to perform.Drivers should all have on there helmets All lives matter amen.

:thumb

[killer]

Omg.....now I know why some here nickname him 2 chains.....lol.....what a bone head

7691

Why is he a bonehead?

[killer]

Leclerc says he is 99% sure that they will struggle more than last year which could mean that the 2020 car is slower than 2019 car. No wonder, they have decided to completely abandon the current car concept.

Source and context?

[stefa]

Source and context?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150285/leclerc-sure-ferrari-will-struggle-more-than-in-2019

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari down on speed compared to Mercedes, Red Bull and pretty much everyone. I hope they turn up the engine soon.

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari down on speed compared to Mercedes, Red Bull and pretty much everyone. I hope they turn up the engine soon.

Or it could turn out that we actually have the 3d best pu !!!!!!

[killer]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150285/leclerc-sure-ferrari-will-struggle-more-than-in-2019

Thank you.

[killer]

Ferrari down on speed compared to Mercedes, Red Bull and pretty much everyone. I hope they turn up the engine soon.

Crofty saying Ferrari and Renault appear to be focusing on race set-up. I hope to see what our one-lap pace looks like in the next sessions.

[tifosi1993]

Or it could turn out that we actually have the 3d best pu !!!!!!

Well...both Alfa and Haas are running with the same power unit.

[tifosi1993]

Crofty saying Ferrari and Renault appear to be focusing on race set-up. I hope to see what our one-lap pace looks like in the next sessions.

Ferrari pretty much ran the whole FP1 on the same sets of medium tyres.

And speaking of race pace, Perez on last years Mercedes was matching this years Mercedes on the race-sim/long run.

[FF1]

Any speed trap comparison for different cars

[evo_spook]

Why is he a bonehead?

As you know I have nothing against Lewis, but it is getting boring, especially from one of the richest men ever in F1, I wonder if as a supporter of BLM what is responses is to get rid of capitalism.

There are people raising slavery from hundreds of years ago, but people have ago at others for raising Mercs more recent sordid past or the fact we still go to places like Bahrain or China

This is why I don’t like sport becoming political as it’s comes to be about are you supporting my political policy, when really, look mate I just want a good race and the only politics I want is the old fashioned f1 politics

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari pretty much ran the whole FP1 on the same sets of medium tyres.

And speaking of race pace, Perez on last years Mercedes was matching this years Mercedes on the race-sim/long run.

On the same tires???
What about our race pace ?

[FerrariF60]

On the same tires???
What about our race pace ?

Some said here that Charles race pace was quite good...but who knows I haven’t watched FP1

[ferrari1.8t]

New season, same headline - Merc-Hamilton lead FP1. It’s getting old and tiresome. I personally can’t endure another season of Merc dominance. Ferrari need to do better, RedBull and McLaren need to do better. The FIA need to do better. We fans deserve different results. It’s funny how the rule book was torn up when Ferrari was winning - yet everything is status quo with Merc-Hamilton domination. I’m not complaining, just want more from this sport that I love.

[killer]

Ferrari pretty much ran the whole FP1 on the same sets of medium tyres.

And speaking of race pace, Perez on last years Mercedes was matching this years Mercedes on the race-sim/long run.

I wasn’t paying attention to that; looks to be a long short season for us but we shall see.

[killer]

As you know I have nothing against Lewis, but it is getting boring, especially from one of the richest men ever in F1, I wonder if as a supporter of BLM what is responses is to get rid of capitalism.

There are people raising slavery from hundreds of years ago, but people have ago at others for raising Mercs more recent sordid past or the fact we still go to places like Bahrain or China

This is why I don’t like sport becoming political as it’s comes to be about are you supporting my political policy, when really, look mate I just want a good race and the only politics I want is the old fashioned f1 politics

Thanks for your reply. I respect that you laid it out in a sober fashion.

The poster was referencing a photo of Lewis; the obvious presumption is Lewis’ appearance in said photo prompted him being called a bonehead. I wanted to know why that was.

[evo_spook]

Thanks for your reply. I respect that you laid it out in a sober fashion.

The poster was referencing a photo of Lewis; the obvious presumption is Lewis’ appearance in said photo prompted him being called a bonehead. I wanted to know why that was.

I think that comment was about the necklace of a chain and padlock....

[458 Italia]

Just switched the tv on to watch a bit of FP2 on Sky F1 and straight away they decide to have a chat with their mate horner, it's just like they haven't been away! :lol :roll

I see they're debating the movable steering wheel again, surely this could've been sorted out during the months break we've had? Not that I think anything will come of a protest, bit like the mercs suspension system.

[tifosi1993]

Good lap time from Charles on hards. But still very early days.

[evo_spook]

Just switched the tv on to watch a bit of FP2 on Sky F1 and straight away they decide to have a chat with their mate horner, it's just like they haven't been away! :lol :roll

I see they're debating the movable steering wheel again, surely this could've been sorted out during the months break we've had? Not that I think anything will come of a protest, bit like the mercs suspension system.

FIA need to stop pussyfooting around.

Either ban it or declare it legal. None of this wait till after the race just do it now.

[458 Italia]

FIA need to stop pussyfooting around.

Either ban it or declare it legal. None of this wait till after the race just do it now.

I couldn't agree more, they're doing themselves or the sports no favours.

On an unrelated most of Schumacher's records are going to be beaten this season, I'm really really really sad about that. :-s:-(

[evo_spook]

I couldn't agree more, they're doing themselves or the sports no favours.

On an unrelated most of Schumacher's records are going to be beaten this season, I'm really really really sad about that. :-s:-(

Too early to say I think

[Ferrarichamp]

Vettel's pace looks good

[458 Italia]

Too early to say I think

Maybe, but looking at these laps and times from the mercs and pink mercs I think we're going to struggle here.

[tifosi1993]

I thought the mighty..superduper...Red Bull and Max will challenge Mercedes...but what happened...nearly 7 tenths down. :-E

And according to the "experts" here, Ferrari is 4th or 5th best...surely behind the mighty Max and Red Bull...but now we're ahead. :lol

I know it's just FP2 and I shouldn't read too much...but if people can write off Ferrari based on the winter testing, then I can do the same using the FP2 times. I mean afterall, FP2 times are much more representative.

[PURE PASSION]

Ον softs we look bad even behind Barbies but also RedBull ??
Renault also look good and might also be a trouble for us !!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

Ον softs we look bad even behind Barbies but also RedBull ??
Renault also look good and might also be a trouble for us !!!!!!

Well atleast we're not P10, as many experts here would have us believe. :lol
I think we should wait a little bit more, because there's more to come from both Ferrari & Red Bull.

[Lesky]

Well atleast we're not P10, as many experts here would have us believe. :lol
I think we should wait a little bit more, because there's more to come from both Ferrari & Red Bull.

And from Merc.

[PURE PASSION]

Well atleast we're not P10, as many experts here would have us believe. :lol
I think we should wait a little bit more, because there's more to come from both Ferrari & Red Bull.

Can you inform us about the race pace now???

[tifosi1993]

Can you inform us about the race pace now???

Mercedes miles ahead. RP and Red Bull are pretty close to each other. Leclerc's struggling a bit on softs, although he packed up his pace a little. Vettel on hards doing 1m09's.

Top speed wise (race sim): Ferrari and Mercedes evenly matched, Red Bull 5-7kph slower

[Cevertmyhero]

It really doesn't look good for us right now.

I think we need to accept that until Lewis beats all of Michael's records, no car\team will be allowed to beat them. It's the fia's desire.

[Ferrarichamp]

I think RB will have something up their sleeve for this (home) race.
We'll see on Sunday.

[evo_spook]

I think RB will have something up their sleeve for this (home) race.
We'll see on Sunday.

besides spinning

[paolo lalli]

Easy for mercedes miles in front. 7th title awaits Lewis. Ferrari should look at where there failures have them how it makes them feel the impact that there failures are having on the drivers and there fans.This must be used as motivation to rise and to win.The Ferrari emblem is not enough any more.

[Cavallino]

I don't think today went as bad as people were thinking.

We were slower in top speed than even the Alfas, so we have much to gain there when we decide to turn it up. And the long run pace is good and consistent with better tyre wear than last season.

[chinmay]

I don't think today went as bad as people were thinking.

We were slower in top speed than even the Alfas, so we have much to gain there when we decide to turn it up. And the long run pace is good and consistent with better tyre wear than last season.

Binotto would disagree. As per him, today was as bad as expected. Long run pace is good enough compared to whom? McLaren? Renault? Because Mercedes, Red Bull and Racing Point had better pace.

[Cavallino]

Binotto has also revealed that Ferrari hasn't upgraded its 2020 power unit since Melbourne in March.

"We've got the same engine we had at the time in Australia," he said. "We shut down the factory for a long time, so there was very little time to develop. We didn't bring anything different. Now the power unit is frozen for the season.

"I know that other manufacturers had the opportunity to continue working and developing. We were aware of that, they took advantage, that's part of the game. That's part of all the entire compromises we have accepted during the shutdown period, looking ahead for the good of the sport."

If that's true, which i'm guessing it is, how is letting other teams develop while you twiddle your thumbs, and let them sit half a second a lap faster than you and dominate the races, "good for the sport".

[jgonzalesm6]

If that's true, which i'm guessing it is, how is letting other teams develop while you twiddle your thumbs, and let them sit half a second a lap faster than you and dominate the races, "good for the sport".

I think Italians, in F1 especially, do more than twiddle their thumbs, eat pasta, and drink wine while in this 60+ day shutdown.

It certainly was'nt bringing upgrades or a new spec PU that's for sure. That's gonna have to wait till Hungary.

[JPZ]

The new Ferrari looks incredible though! Today was the first time I saw it on video and was really impressed with how good it looks, one of the best looking cars I've seen in awhile!

[jgonzalesm6]

The new Ferrari looks incredible though! Today was the first time I saw it on video and was really impressed with how good it looks, one of the best looking cars I've seen in awhile!


It's going to get a make-over come Hungary....especially in the nose. The current nose is too wide so expect a much narrower nose i.e. Mercedes, RedBull, RP20, Renault.

[SilverSpeed]

Where's Rosberg when you need him :-D.

[Greig]

I think Italians, in F1 especially, do more than twiddle their thumbs, eat pasta, and drink wine while in this 60+ day shutdown.

It certainly was'nt bringing upgrades or a new spec PU that's for sure. That's gonna have to wait till Hungary.

Do you grasp the fact we are basically making a new car...you don't do that in 60 days.

[killer]

I think that comment was about the necklace of a chain and padlock....

Perhaps. Whatever the case, the name calling and ill will are getting tiresome.

[ferras]

Good lap time from Charles on hards. But still very early days.

Vettels also good. On the other hand i don't know it's good or bad, because interesting thing is that we chose hard instead of medium tires for long stints. Maybe the problem is overheating. That's why we bad on softs with full load.

[Brembo]

Hopefully there will not be a replay of every post using the words Down force, tires, all season long as Ferrari's problem. Do the forum members here know more than the Ferrari techs ?

[JHAMMER]

FIA need to stop pussyfooting around.

Either ban it or declare it legal. None of this wait till after the race just do it now.

FIA stewards deem DAS legal for 2020