F1 Engine & Component Freeze 2020 and 2021

[jgonzalesm6]

How development freeze will save F1 teams money

In an attempt to address costs Formula 1 teams have agreed to a system of freezing some components both within the 2020 season and heading into 2021, and the full details of how it will work have now emerged in the updated technical regulations for both of those seasons.

Within a system of what are now called "homologated components" there is still some scope for development via a token system. In other words, teams can decide which elements they wish to upgrade, but they can only do it with the full knowledge and agreement of the FIA.


Much of the car remains completely free, including most aerodynamic elements, so teams can still develop in those areas.


As with the new technical rules, now postponed to 2022, the general idea is to keep open the visually-attractive components.

The rules for 2020

Within 2020, there are two possible freeze dates. The first, known as R1-2020, goes from the earliest date between the date of FP1 of the first race of the 2020 championship, or 1 September.

The second freeze deadline, known as Mid-2020, is the earliest date between the date of first practice of the eighth round of the 2020 season, or 15 October.


In essence, key components such as the chassis and gearbox that rarely change anyway are frozen at R1-2020, while some aero, inboard suspension and other parts that are usually more subject to development have more flexibility, face a later freeze.

The list of reasons why certain changes can be made after the freeze dates include minimal changes for safety, reliability or cost reasons, changes for driver comfort, or for the installation of a new driver and those "due to regulation changes, legality fixes or the installation of FIA-mandated components".

However, any change must have no performance or weight improvement and will require FIA approval.

The token system

Teams are allowed to deploy two tokens to modify components after the freeze dates. However, they have to take three steps, within deadlines known as D1, D2 and D3.


D1, D2 and D3 are different in the cases of R1-2020 and Mid-2020 frozen components – for example D1 for the former is five days after the shutdown (which is within the next week), and for the latter it's "the Wednesday following the third competition of 2020, but no later than 1 October 2020".

The FIA makes it clear that teams should be sure they really want to deploy their tokens, as there are no second chances if they change their minds on a development route.

Teams are allowed to revert to the original spec, but those tokens cannot be re-used.

It's also made clear that if the upgraded component is supplied to a customer team that team will also have deploy its own tokens in order to use it.

What happens for 2021?


The homologated component system introduced for 2020 will carry over into next season, with some additions.

Along with the existing R1-2020 and Mid-2020 freeze dates, there will be a third freeze deadline, known as R1-2021, which is simply the first practice session of the first race of 2021.

Various items are added to the original 2020 HC list under this new R1-2021 freeze, including gear ratios, driveshafts, outboard front and rear suspension, steering and some parts of the cooling system.

All the 2020 provisions for making non-performance changes still apply. The two tokens are also still available to be used, but only if the team hasn't already deployed them in 2020.

Crucially, a team has to set in motion any such 2021 changes well before the end of the 2020 season, by notifying the FIA via the aforementioned D1, D2, D3 deadline system.


They can only be deployed on parts that were frozen at R1-2020 or Mid-2020. Anything frozen at R1-2021 cannot be changed via the token system and are thus set for the whole year.

There's special clause for any customers who are currently buying and using 2019 spec components from a partner team – if they want to upgrade to the 2020 equivalents for 2021, they can make that change without use of tokens.

There is also a provision for McLaren, the only team switching engine supplier as it goes from Renault to Mercedes in 2021 – in order to get a free installation change, the Woking team will have to forego its two tokens.

The same applies if anyone modifies their engine spec so much for 2021 that it requires a new installation.

In essence rivals want to be confident that McLaren can't gain an advantage by being the only team allowed to do a new PU installation for 2021.


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/how-development-freeze-will-save-f1-teams-money/4797766/

[Cavallino]

So is the engine included in the "key components"?

[jgonzalesm6]

So is the engine included in the "key components"?

yep

[Red is Best]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.
Does that mean we can upgrade the engine using one of those tokens?

[Stingray]

My understanding is that the planned modified gearbox for Hungary would use some of these tokens already?

[Aziz]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.
Does that mean we can upgrade the engine using one of those tokens?

Me as well, the main question for me is, are we stuck with thus engine for 2 years?. BTW the anyone noticed how strange our engine sounds, like Honda 2 years ago

[nani_s23]

Me as well, the main question for me is, are we stuck with thus engine for 2 years?. BTW the anyone noticed how strange our engine sounds, like Honda 2 years ago

Yes we are struck with same spec engine for the next year as well.

[Aziz]

Yes we are struck with same spec engine for the next year as well.

And the token system is use for what exactly?

[alfa84]

Maybe we should do freeze races.
So each team would propose to fia the pretended race poison and they choose who will win. It will save a lot of time and money, for them and us funs too

[nani_s23]

And the token system is use for what exactly?

Token system is for individual components of the spec.
If ferrari would have brought the new spec just like others, there was a chance to upgrade its spec consequently with or without penalty as per the rules.
But now ferrari don’t stand a chance to introduce new spec at all due to engine freeze.

[Aziz]

Token system is for individual components of the spec.
If ferrari would have brought the new spec just like others, there was a chance to upgrade its spec consequently with or without penalty as per the rules.
But now ferrari don’t stand a chance to introduce new spec at all due to engine freeze.

Why did they agree to this, it's suicide

[Greig]

Token system is for individual components of the spec.
If ferrari would have brought the new spec just like others, there was a chance to upgrade its spec consequently with or without penalty as per the rules.
But now ferrari don’t stand a chance to introduce new spec at all due to engine freeze.

Tokens can be used for engine upgrades though?

[nani_s23]

Tokens can be used for engine upgrades though?

That for the current spec which mean old spec for Ferrari. They can’t bring new spec & use it up.

[Silent Bob]

Why did they agree to this, it's suicide

I have a funny feeling that this all ties back to the engine investigation. Perhaps the FIA has made Ferrari detune it's engine as punishment. This is the only reason I can see that Ferrari is not being overtly critical of these rules and say they are doing this for the good of the sport. I bet the aero excuse is just covering for having to run it's engine at sub-optimal performance. If the engine was as good as last year, this car would be very quick. There is no way they screwed up the aero that bad.

[JPZ]

I have a funny feeling that this all ties back to the engine investigation. Perhaps the FIA has made Ferrari detune it's engine as punishment. This is the only reason I can see that Ferrari is not being overtly critical of these rules and say they are doing this for the good of the sport. I bet the aero excuse is just covering for having to run it's engine at sub-optimal performance. If the engine was as good as last year, this car would be very quick. There is no way they screwed up the aero that bad.

So Ferrari seriously agreed to use the same under-powered engine with zero development for TWO YEARS....?

[jgonzalesm6]

Why did they agree to this, it's suicide


I have a funny feeling that this all ties back to the engine investigation. Perhaps the FIA has made Ferrari detune it's engine as punishment. This is the only reason I can see that Ferrari is not being overtly critical of these rules and say they are doing this for the good of the sport. I bet the aero excuse is just covering for having to run it's engine at sub-optimal performance. If the engine was as good as last year, this car would be very quick. There is no way they screwed up the aero that bad.

Read the first sentence of the original article........fair enough??


So Ferrari seriously agreed to use the same under-powered engine with zero development for TWO YEARS....?

Yes......all engine manufacturers agreed to this freeze.

[JPZ]

Why did they agree to this, it's suicide

Agreed, it will heavily damage competition in a sport already losing viewers and clearly would favour Mercedes.

20 million viewers were lost last year, the year before almost 10 million and has been decreasing almost every year since 2008.

[Cavallino]

Tokens can be used for engine upgrades though?

I believe so.

[ferrari1.8t]

I have a funny feeling that this all ties back to the engine investigation. Perhaps the FIA has made Ferrari detune it's engine as punishment. This is the only reason I can see that Ferrari is not being overtly critical of these rules and say they are doing this for the good of the sport. I bet the aero excuse is just covering for having to run it's engine at sub-optimal performance. If the engine was as good as last year, this car would be very quick. There is no way they screwed up the aero that bad.

It is definitely tied to the engine investigation. That is also why Wolff was quoted saying he doesn't want to hear Mattia's excuses about the aero anymore. He, and the entire paddock know why we have lost a second from last year.

[BRP]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.
Does that mean we can upgrade the engine using one of those tokens?
This year 2 Tokens on engine / Key components
2021 2 Tokens on engine /Key components
I think the engine they used for Austria was from testing and that the second engine will have the 20bhp. I understand the upgrades were done during the 5 weeks before Austria
If we can get the aero sorted and maybe .5 second and a bit more power we can be in good shape
What is the penalty to Upgrade the engine beyond the rules?
There are many ways to improve the engine with mapping etc
I want to believe its not as bad as what we think

[paolo lalli]

BINOTTO is painting a worst case scenario, any thing north of the current situation will be welcomed.

[Cavallino]

It is definitely tied to the engine investigation. That is also why Wolff was quoted saying he doesn't want to hear Mattia's excuses about the aero anymore. He, and the entire paddock know why we have lost a second from last year.

Who care what Toto thinks. How is what Ferrari did any different from making your engine intentionally burn oil?

[Cavallino]

This year 2 Tokens on engine / Key components
2021 2 Tokens on engine /Key components
I think the engine they used for Austria was from testing and that the second engine will have the 20bhp. I understand the upgrades were done during the 5 weeks before Austria
If we can get the aero sorted and maybe .5 second and a bit more power we can be in good shape
What is the penalty to Upgrade the engine beyond the rules?
There are many ways to improve the engine with mapping etc
I want to believe its not as bad as what we think

I'm right here hoping with you, cautiously optimistic.

I don't think you CAN update anything after you use your 2 tokens.

I would have rushed that new engine. We are already ultra reliable in that department.

And yes, I do believe that other things like the MGU-K can be upgraded? There can be fuel upgrades perhaps. so all is not lost. When you think about it, there probably isn't much gains being made in pure Internal Combustion Engine development.

[ferrari1.8t]

Who care what Toto thinks. How is what Ferrari did any different from making your engine intentionally burn oil?

I don't care about what Toto thinks, I was just restating the obvious that our engine is probably the cause of our issues and not our aero.

Also, the Merc engine is probably still secretly burning oil, hence the puffs of smoke coming from the merc powered cars this past weekend.

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari and Renault have not introduced engine upgrades for the 2020 Formula 1 season opener in Austria, and will therefore contest the whole campaign with their initial specifications of power unit.

F1 has put a freeze on engine development in place as part of its cost-saving mandate amid the coronavirus pandemic.

This means that each of the four manufacturers will have to see out the season with the very same spec they put on track for the Austrian Grand Prix, with the exception of changes for reliability purposes.

Mercedes has brought a revised engine to the Red Bull Ring opener with the aim of improving reliability, whereas Honda’s Austria upgrade is believed to come with additional power as well.

But both Ferrari, whose engine powers its works team, Haas and Alfa Romeo, and Renault, which has McLaren as its sole customer, have stuck with the same spec that would’ve contested the cancelled Australian Grand Prix back in March.

“We’ve got the same engines we had at the time in Australia,” Ferrari team boss Mattia Binotto said.

“We shut down the factory for a long time so there has been very little time to develop. We didn’t bring anything different, now the engine, the power unit, is frozen for the season.

“I know that other manufacturers had the opportunity to continue working, developing, we’re aware of that they could eventually [have] an advantage.

“That’s part of the game, I think that’s part of all the entire compromises we have accepted during the shutdown, looking ahead for the good of the sport.”

[Cavallino]

Ferrari and Renault have not introduced engine upgrades for the 2020 Formula 1 season opener in Austria, and will therefore contest the whole campaign with their initial specifications of power unit.

F1 has put a freeze on engine development in place as part of its cost-saving mandate amid the coronavirus pandemic.

This means that each of the four manufacturers will have to see out the season with the very same spec they put on track for the Austrian Grand Prix, with the exception of changes for reliability purposes.

Mercedes has brought a revised engine to the Red Bull Ring opener with the aim of improving reliability, whereas Honda’s Austria upgrade is believed to come with additional power as well.

But both Ferrari, whose engine powers its works team, Haas and Alfa Romeo, and Renault, which has McLaren as its sole customer, have stuck with the same spec that would’ve contested the cancelled Australian Grand Prix back in March.

“We’ve got the same engines we had at the time in Australia,” Ferrari team boss Mattia Binotto said.

“We shut down the factory for a long time so there has been very little time to develop. We didn’t bring anything different, now the engine, the power unit, is frozen for the season.

“I know that other manufacturers had the opportunity to continue working, developing, we’re aware of that they could eventually [have] an advantage.

“That’s part of the game, I think that’s part of all the entire compromises we have accepted during the shutdown, looking ahead for the good of the sport.”

Another thing that bugs me, is look at Honda and Mercedes this weekend, the reliability wasn't so great (Stroll, Max). So now, are they going to be allowed to bring updates under the reliability clause and hence gain an advantage?

[PURE PASSION]

Another thing that bugs me, is look at Honda and Mercedes this weekend, the reliability wasn't so great (Stroll, Max). So now, are they going to be allowed to bring updates under the reliability clause and hence gain an advantage?

They made the smart choice. they made new more powerfull pu's with bad reliability. You are allowed to bring updates to fix reliability but NOT to fix your performance!!!!!!
And all this are made accepted by Mr Binotto AFTER fabruary tests, so he knew 1st hand how bad was our pu!!!!!!!
I really cant find any excuse for him to take such a dicision that burn us for 2 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WS6TransAm01]

Another abysmal failure by Ferrari.

1. They should have never agreed to an engine freeze.
2. They should have not shut down the factory, clearly the others didn't and used the time to overhaul the design.

[330 p4]

Is this Ferrari acceptance of having a compromised engine part of the deal with FIA? Did FIA say big fine and 2019 championship exclusion or you have to go along with any upcoming decisions we make on PU developments? 2 years of pain or officially disgraced with a fine. May not have been great for share price so took lesser of 2 evils.

[PURE PASSION]

Is this Ferrari acceptance of having a compromised engine part of the deal with FIA? Did FIA say big fine and 2019 championship exclusion or you have to go along with any upcoming decisions we make on PU developments? 2 years of pain or officially disgraced with a fine. May not have been great for share price so took lesser of 2 evils.

Ι also thought something like that !!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Is this Ferrari acceptance of having a compromised engine part of the deal with FIA? Did FIA say big fine and 2019 championship exclusion or you have to go along with any upcoming decisions we make on PU developments? 2 years of pain or officially disgraced with a fine. May not have been great for share price so took lesser of 2 evils.

We look disgraced anyway, might as well have took it on the chin and been able to develop our engine in season.

[ferrari1.8t]

Another abysmal failure by Ferrari.

1. They should have never agreed to an engine freeze.
2. They should have not shut down the factory, clearly the others didn't and used the time to overhaul the design.

1. It was probably forced as part of the secret settlement. Which is why Merc backed out of the protest because they were guaranteed at least 2 more championships with the engine feeeze.
2. It has been said before, but I will remind you of how hard Italy was hit with Covid; especially the North. Opening the factory was not feasible.

[JPZ]

Is this Ferrari acceptance of having a compromised engine part of the deal with FIA? Did FIA say big fine and 2019 championship exclusion or you have to go along with any upcoming decisions we make on PU developments? 2 years of pain or officially disgraced with a fine. May not have been great for share price so took lesser of 2 evils.

Good points, that could be the reason.

[330 p4]

We look disgraced anyway, might as well have took it on the chin and been able to develop our engine in season.

Yes but as not officially punished by a governing body it's just social media, fans having a go. Officially being called out on cheats affects share price, Ferrari has more to it than just F1 so share price is very important. Also why the top brass went over Wolffs head to Merc boss to shut Wolf down in the Ferrari protest he organised and subsequently pulled out. Probably why he is so peeved. I still am hoping engine has been dragged into line with others and the draggy concept was made with the 2019 engine in mind. If so great gains can be made with sero alone.

[Red is Best]

Is this Ferrari acceptance of having a compromised engine part of the deal with FIA? Did FIA say big fine and 2019 championship exclusion or you have to go along with any upcoming decisions we make on PU developments? 2 years of pain or officially disgraced with a fine. May not have been great for share price so took lesser of 2 evils.

We can only speculate at this point but it seems plausible. Two years in the midfield is a pretty harsh punishment, FIA must have been pretty ****** by what they uncovered.

[WS6TransAm01]

1. It was probably forced as part of the secret settlement. Which is why Merc backed out of the protest because they were guaranteed at least 2 more championships with the engine feeeze.
2. It has been said before, but I will remind you of how hard Italy was hit with Covid; especially the North. Opening the factory was not feasible.

1. We don’t know that for sure. It’s conjecture. Even if that is the case, stand your ground and don’t fold. Did their balls drop off?

2. So what? More than 80% of the deaths in Italy were people older than 70. How many 70 year olds work at the Ferrari F1
Factory?

[Brembo]

Todt the legend clearly worked for Michael full time , at the time, not Ferrari. I believe he will do anything to keep Ferrari out of WCC. Michael retired with Merc, so will Todt. Wheel to wheel combat , not with teamate , will be the way Ferrari comes back as long as they can get near the front. Ignoring Binotto's interviews is also very important. Seb seems to be trying hard to win. Charles is doing his job regardless of all the bad reports on the Ferrari car itself. Drivers do count.

[Tony]

1. It was probably forced as part of the secret settlement. Which is why Merc backed out of the protest because they were guaranteed at least 2 more championships with the engine feeeze.
2. It has been said before, but I will remind you of how hard Italy was hit with Covid; especially the North. Opening the factory was not feasible.

It's an interesting theory, but wasn't the agreement reached before COVID happened? F1 Management would have had to have predicted a shortened season... I think Ferrari just couldn't get back to work safely and it cost them...

[Greig]

1. We don’t know that for sure. It’s conjecture. Even if that is the case, stand your ground and don’t fold. Did their balls drop off?

2. So what? More than 80% of the deaths in Italy were people older than 70. How many 70 year olds work at the Ferrari F1
Factory?

Shut up already, the factory was closed to protect staff and their families.

[Tony79]

Shut up already, the factory was closed to protect staff and their families.

Mate I wouldn’t waste your time - his signature explains it all...

[Vittorio]

Mate I wouldn’t waste your time - his signature explains it all...

How very true. :clap

[S1000RR]

1. We don’t know that for sure. It’s conjecture. Even if that is the case, stand your ground and don’t fold. Did their balls drop off?

2. So what? More than 80% of the deaths in Italy were people older than 70. How many 70 year olds work at the Ferrari F1
Factory?

Holy *****

[tifosi1993]

Engines are just like human heart, doesn't matter how much light and fit you are, if the heart can't pump enough blood you are going to fall.

Aero upgrade alone can't make up 7 tenths deficit on the straights, they can reduce the drag a bit, but it's not gonna make up for the lack of engine power. And it also doesn't matter how much downforce they are gonna add, if the car is going to lose 7-8 tenths because of the lack of power.

[tifosi1993]

Shut up already, the factory was closed to protect staff and their families.

Don't waste your precious time arguing with a MAGA nuts.

[WS6TransAm01]

Awe... triggered much? :rotfl

Merc kept working and brought upgrades. If you want to win, you do what it takes.

[S1000RR]

Awe... triggered much? :rotfl

Merc kept working and brought upgrades. If you want to win, you do what it takes.


At what cost? So you are saying more 70+ (grand)fathers, (grand)mothers should have died in order to deliver a better engine, just for entertainment? This is a case of force majeure due to COVID-19, nobody likes it but we all have to deal with it.

[Ferrarichamp]

strange thing is, I have relatives in northern Italy. Not one of them was affected by the virus, nor do they know anyone who was.

[S1000RR]

strange thing is, I have relatives in northern Italy. Not one of them was affected by the virus, nor do they know anyone who was.

wow, they should consider themselves lucky then. In Bergamo northern Italy 60% of the residents have developed antibodies as one of the first cities beeing heavily hit by the outbreak. italian researchers linked the fast spread of the virus with the bad air quality/polution in industrial hart of Italy. At that time, with limited knowledge about the virus and beeing located in the outbreak area I think it was the right call to shut the factories. Anyway, my 2 cents on the current form, we can only hope we get the Aero working and sit it out.

[330 p4]

Engines are just like human heart, doesn't matter how much light and fit you are, if the heart can't pump enough blood you are going to fall.

Aero upgrade alone can't make up 7 tenths deficit on the straights, they can reduce the drag a bit, but it's not gonna make up for the lack of engine power. And it also doesn't matter how much downforce they are gonna add, if the car is going to lose 7-8 tenths because of the lack of power.

Ferrari had a second a lap on the straights v Merc last year but Merc still won. It is possible.

[WS6TransAm01]

At what cost? So you are saying more 70+ (grand)fathers, (grand)mothers should have died in order to deliver a better engine, just for entertainment? This is a case of force majeure due to COVID-19, nobody likes it but we all have to deal with it.

Again, grandma and grandpa aren't working in the engineering department or the factory. They can stay at home, wear masks and so forth. If you are a healthy adult, you'll be fine.

Plus if masks work, why shut down the factory, right?

[tifosi1993]

https://youtu.be/jWkZm7rkVB0

Speed difference:

Straight 1: before the 100 meter board, SF90 330 kph, SF1000 312 kph

Straight 2: before the 100 meter board, SF90 329 kph, SF1000 313 kph

Straight 3: before the 50 mete board. SF90 329 kph, SF1000 314 kph

So combining the speed-gap, We have lost 1.4-1.6 seconds on the straights, but gained around 0.5-0.7 seconds through corners.

[S1000RR]

Again, grandma and grandpa aren't working in the engineering department or the factory. They can stay at home, wear masks and so forth. If you are a healthy adult, you'll be fine.

Plus if masks work, why shut down the factory, right?

The big question is, was it known (back then, almost 4 months ago when these decisions was made) if non-surgical would have helped stop spreading the virus. Is it now? Are elderly people really save when wearing a face mask? I personally don't think so, hence it doesn't eliminate the risk of beeing infected, it only reduces the risk.

Even today there are still questions about the use of these non-surgical face masks in the whole EU.

[WS6TransAm01]

The big question is, was it known (back then, almost 4 months ago when these decisions was made) if non-surgical would have helped stop spreading the virus. Is it now? Are elderly people really save when wearing a face mask? I personally don't think so, hence it doesn't eliminate the risk of beeing infected, it only reduces the risk.

Even today there are still questions about the use of these non-surgical face masks in the whole EU.

So if masks don't work, why are people wearing them?

Ever heard of doublethink?
1- we need masks to protect us from the virus so everyone needs to wear a mark
2- masks are not effective in protecting us so we need to distance and keep things shut down

The virus is real enough, the reaction to it was the biggest fraud ever perpetrated.

Others worked and brought updates during the "shut down", Ferrari was left holding the bag. A car that was already sub-par remained so while those ahead kept improving.

[Ferrarichamp]

some say that wearing a mask all day long weakens your immune system.
I'm no doctor, I wonder if there's a medical doctor among the members here who would have an opinion.

[Cavallino]

[video]https://youtu.be/jWkZm7rkVB0[/url]

Speed difference:

Straight 1: before the 100 meter board, SF90 330 kph, SF1000 312 kph

Straight 2: before the 100 meter board, SF90 329 kph, SF1000 313 kph

Straight 3: before the 50 mete board. SF90 329 kph, SF1000 314 kph

So combining the speed-gap, We have lost 1.4-1.6 seconds on the straights, but gained around 0.5-0.7 seconds through corners.

So last year's engine innovation was worth .5-1 seconds a lap. So I estimate the bspec can bring AT MOST .5 seconds. So in my opinion best case, and this is what I'm hoping for, we can put up a fight with Red Bull in Hungary.

It would be great if we could replicate Alfa's top speed (which is in line with the SF90) without sacrificing cornering speed (downforce). We'd be in line with Merc if we pulled that off. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Nice work on the numbers btw.

[FerrariF60]

So last year's engine innovation was worth .5-1 seconds a lap. So I estimate the bspec can bring AT MOST .5 seconds. So in my opinion best case, and this is what I'm hoping for, we can put up a fight with Red Bull in Hungary.

It would be great if we could replicate Alfa's top speed (which is in line with the SF90) without sacrificing cornering speed (downforce). We'd be in line with Merc if we pulled that off. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Nice work on the numbers btw.

I’m sure we can get the speed that Alfa has, but then we’ll be fighting with them and Williams and NOT making it to Q2.....

We have a half decent aero....what’s hurting us is the donkey of this year compared to the stallion we had last year

[WS6TransAm01]

some say that wearing a mask all day long weakens your immune system.
I'm no doctor, I wonder if there's a medical doctor among the members here who would have an opinion.

Any time you prevent your body's immune system from doing what it's designed to do, it becomes weaker. It works through being constantly bombarded by pathogens, it develops antibodies by fighting them off. Think of it this way, what happened to native people in the New World when Europeans arrived with pathogens their immune systems were not prepared to work with?

Plus, wearing a mask reduces O2 levels below the 19.5 OSHA standard and prolonged wearing of masks reduces origination levels in the blood. http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf There are a bunch of videos showing how O2 levels in the blood don't drop by wearing a mask, the funny part is that none of them take time into account. Yes after 10 minutes it's okay, what about 6 hours?

[Cavallino]

I’m sure we can get the speed that Alfa has, but then we’ll be fighting with them and Williams and NOT making it to Q2.....

We have a half decent aero....what’s hurting us is the donkey of this year compared to the stallion we had last year

Right, the key is EFFICIENT downforce.

I somewhat disagree that our aero is half decent. I think we put on a bunch of dirty downforce thinking we'd have a stallion in our car, while we only have a donkey.

[Kyss4k]

Right, the key is EFFICIENT downforce.

I somewhat disagree that our aero is half decent. I think we put on a bunch of dirty downforce thinking we'd have a stallion in our car, while we only have a donkey.

It's freaking difficult to find the "clean" downforce these days. Floor is heavily regulated, which is the main part to create a cheap downforce. You can't use exhaust fumes, no flexi bodywork is allowed... We would have to come up with something revolutionary to gain cheap downforce, as every other thing you can do with the car is just creating a dirty downforce and finding the ballance. You can see, when looking at the bodyshape, that all of the top teams have similar shapes. They are all on the limit and there are just tiny differences. Matter of tenths. And to gain a full second... wow, that would have to be huge.

[Warp]

I can't really understand the Token system. So we spend 2 tokens to improve the engine?

[tifosi1993]

Yes, we need 2 tokens to upgrade the engine.

But I have a question though, what exactly Ferrari had done with the engine in the last 9 months or so. Because the current PU not only slower than the 2019 version but the 2018 version as well.

It's pretty clear now that they had to come up with a complete re-design, unlike Mercedes/Renault/Honda engines, which are upgraded and improved version of their previous iteration. It's like 2015 season, but this time they have to catch up not only Mercedes but Honda and Renault as well.

[wisepie]

Yes, we need 2 tokens to upgrade the engine.

But I have a question though, what exactly Ferrari had done with the engine in the last 9 months or so. Because the current PU not only slower than the 2019 version but the 2018 version as well.

It's pretty clear now that they had to come up with a complete re-design, unlike Mercedes/Renault/Honda engines, which are upgraded and improved version of their previous iteration. It's like 2015 season, but this time they have to catch up not only Mercedes but Honda and Renault as well.

Why would they have had to have a complete redesign, there were no investigations about our 2018 engine that I can recall, and only after the summer break in 2019 were questions being asked about our power upgrade. Can you throw any light on that aspect, tifosi?:Hmm

[nani_s23]

Why would they have had to have a complete redesign, there were no investigations about our 2018 engine that I can recall, and only after the summer break in 2019 were questions being asked about our power upgrade. Can you throw any light on that aspect, tifosi?:Hmm

I think they were investigating with some sensors on the battery stuff something I don’t recollect in 2018 too.

[Cavallino]

I think they were investigating with some sensors on the battery stuff something I don’t recollect in 2018 too.

Yeah the famous double battery.

[tifosi1993]

Why would they have had to have a complete redesign, there were no investigations about our 2018 engine that I can recall, and only after the summer break in 2019 were questions being asked about our power upgrade. Can you throw any light on that aspect, tifosi?:Hmm

There was a investigation in 2018 as well, before the Russian GP. And in 2018 Russian GP, Ferrari was expected to lock out the front row, but we were the 2nd fastest and it turned, our mysterious speed surge (which is now turned out to be tempering with the fuel flow sensor) was missing. It returned in Maxico, was missing in Brazil and returned again in Abu Dhabi.

After the engine fiasco, Ferrari said that they were going to redesign (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-engine-design-overhaul-2020/4612841/) the engine back in august last year. But clearly the "redesign" turned out to be a significant downgrade in terms of peak power.

[330 p4]

There was a investigation in 2018 as well, before the Russian GP. And in 2018 Russian GP, Ferrari was expected to lock out the front row, but we were the 2nd fastest and it turned, our mysterious speed surge (which is now turned out to be tempering with the fuel flow sensor) was missing. It returned in Maxico, was missing in Brazil and returned again in Abu Dhabi.

After the engine fiasco, Ferrari said that they were going to redesign (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-engine-design-overhaul-2020/4612841/) the engine back in august last year. But clearly the "redesign" turned out to be a significant downgrade in terms of peak power.

At the USA gp in 2019 when extra sensor was put on lost top speed advantage but was still competitive so how can this engine be so bad relative to the others? Irrelevant now though as stuck with it until end of the year. Need some Rebault 2008 reliability upgrades.

[wisepie]

There was a investigation in 2018 as well, before the Russian GP. And in 2018 Russian GP, Ferrari was expected to lock out the front row, but we were the 2nd fastest and it turned, our mysterious speed surge (which is now turned out to be tempering with the fuel flow sensor) was missing. It returned in Maxico, was missing in Brazil and returned again in Abu Dhabi.

After the engine fiasco, Ferrari said that they were going to redesign (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-engine-design-overhaul-2020/4612841/) the engine back in august last year. But clearly the "redesign" turned out to be a significant downgrade in terms of peak power.

I'd forgotten about the battery issue but if the battery and fuel flow investigations by the FIA didn't produce absolutely conclusive proof that Ferrari were operating illegally and had just been 'innovative', while letting Merc do all sorts with their engine and DAS systems, it now feels like a vendetta against our team! I do accept that whatever the agreement behind closed doors between Ferrari and the FIA over the fuel flow has probably thrown up something not strictly legal but it has had a catastrophic effect on our performance, which makes me think that our basic engine may never have been that good in the first place! I don't like cheating but to see our cars and drivers with their wings clipped so drastically is so painful, and there is little that can be done with the freezing of development.:-E:-s