StyrianGP 2020 Practices and Qualifying

[jgonzalesm6]

A little under 4 hours at time of post.

[nani_s23]

:-) hope it’s a better weekend again.

[chinmay]

Any rain today?

[jgonzalesm6]

Any rain today?


No but possible over the weekend thought.

[ss-89]

No but possible over the weekend thought.

If Charles can manage a top 5 finish in this race then that's a good haul from both races with 2nd and 5th considering how poor we were on pace, then hopefully the Hungarian upgrades are decent enough to push us back into the main fight.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc on hards:

1m16.566 (16.896--29.605--20.030)

I wonder what aero package he's driving with. Hopefully it's the new one.

Edit: Ok Leclerc with the new floor

[nani_s23]

Any links please

[chinmay]

Any links please

You can watch on JioTV.

[Warp]

We're painful slow.

[FerrariF60]

Leclerc on hards:

1m16.566 (16.896--29.605--20.030)

I wonder what aero package he's driving with. Hopefully it's the new one.

Edit: Ok Leclerc with the new floor

1:16??? That’s long ways off pole isn’t it? That’s snail pace

[S1000RR]

a whole lot of testing to do, I hope we can see the real speed in FP2, teams are advised to set a fast time in FP2 because the Q could be cancelled tomorrow due to heave rain

[chinmay]

Vettel is locking up in the exact same place on every lap as last Sunday's race so upgrades or setup changes haven't changed anything on his side at least. Maybe Leclerc is happier with the new floor.

[chinmay]

a whole lot of testing to do, I hope we can see the real speed in FP2, teams are advised to set a fast time in FP2 because the Q could be cancelled tomorrow due to heave rain

Thanks, I was planning to skip FP2. Now I won't.

[S1000RR]

Vettel is locking up in the exact same place on every lap as last Sunday's race so upgrades or setup changes haven't changed anything on his side at least. Maybe Leclerc is happier with the new floor.

that is strange, I have read that Vettel suffered brake and damper issues during the race, that was why his car was all over the place. Should see a positive change now if true.

[Ferrarichamp]

interesting how Bottas is faster than Ham, for the moment anyway.

[S1000RR]

interesting how Bottas is faster than Ham, for the moment anyway.

Yes I really like his start of 2020, seems to be "in the zone" and happy with the car. WDC 2020? I sure hope since we will not be a part of that.

[458 Italia]

interesting how Bottas is faster than Ham, for the moment anyway.

Last week brundle said that it's just a track that bottas really likes, so I don't think it's anything more than that really. I certainly don't expect it to be something that is repeated the rest of the season, as much as we'd all like to see a power shift at merc.

[FerrariF60]

So is it possible that we actually got some downgrades instead of upgrades??. Nah, not from Ferrari...could that be possible for the first time???

[nani_s23]

Hope it’s rains on race day too, this will mix up things & there’s at least a chance for our drivers. :-)
Other than that I don’t see any chance. Mercs will & once again dominate.

[chinmay]

So is it possible that we actually got some downgrades instead of upgrades??. Nah, not from Ferrari...could that be possible for the first time???

P2 will tell us that as it has essentially become qualifying session because of tomorrow's rain.

[S1000RR]

Hope it’s rains on race day too, this will mix up things & there’s at least a chance for our drivers. :-)
Other than that I don’t see any chance. Mercs will & once again dominate.

I hope at least RBR can catch up for a good fight, Max is running with new FW and RW but not so impressive this far.

[458 Italia]

I don't get the clamour for rain, there's no evidence that our car is any better in the wet and it's not like we have a Rainmaster™ who can take advantage of the conditions.

Though I concede that rain would probably make the race more of a sceptical, that's of they're actually allowed to race and it's not just a safety car parade.

[458 Italia]

Really poor error from norris there by not slowing down and overtaking under yellow flags. Grid place penalty and penalty points. I know hamilton got points for crashing in to albon but did he get any for ignoring the yellows? He should have got them and that would be a race ban if not.

[nani_s23]

Even with those updates, car looks unstable :roll

[chinmay]

Even with those updates, car looks unstable :roll

The question is does the new upgrades make them faster or slower?

[nhiepka]

The question is does the new upgrades make them faster or slower?

the step back to back.

[Aziz]

The question is does the new upgrades make them faster or slower?

Slower of course

[458 Italia]

The question is does the new upgrades make them faster or slower?

Quite possibly there's no correlation between the what the computer simulation says and what is actually happening on track. It's something we've struggled with for years.

[tifosi1993]

There is no saving grace this year, unlike last year when we had the best engine.
They can no longer hide behind the engine power advantage.

[jgonzalesm6]

Can Ferrari go back to Maranello and just get another car out of the museum!!!!

[ss-89]

Can Ferrari go back to Maranello and just get another car out of the museum!!!!

The car is clearly reasonably quick in the corners we are losing nearly all our time on the straights. Binotto already said of the 1s loss in qualifying to merc nearly 7 tenths was down to power'. Now whether this is due to aerodynamic drag or as suspected the Technical Directive at the end of last season completely neutered the engine then I think we just have to accept it is what it is.



"Of the second, three-tenths in cornering, in what I was just speaking about. But then there is still seven-tenths on the power unit on the straights.'

[458 Italia]

Can Ferrari go back to Maranello and just get another car out of the museum!!!!

Yeah get the F2004 out of storage :rotfl Imagine that with proper slick tyres! Trouble is it wouldn't be able to do a full race distance even with a full tank :lol

[chinmay]

I think now it is safe to say that the new upgrades have made the car slower. If the new parts aren't working, what's the guarantee that Hungary parts will work? Car was supposed to change completely in Hungary, based on today's performance, it could well be that new upgrades in Hungary make the car even slower than today because there seems to be negative correlation between what they are developing and what is happening on track.

[tifosi1993]

The car is clearly reasonably quick in the corners we are losing nearly all our time on the straights. Binotto already said of the 1s loss in qualifying to merc nearly 7 tenths was down to power'. Now whether this is due to aerodynamic drag or as suspected the Technical Directive at the end of last season completely neutered the engine then I think we just have to accept it is what it is.

Sector times say otherwise. Ferrari 3 tenths slower in sector 1, 3 tenths slower in 2, and 4 tenths slower in 3.
So it's not just power, but lack of downforce as well.

[S1000RR]

Any speed traps available? Those MB powered cars are so fast, the 2 Italian GP's will be painful to watch :roll

[chinmay]

Vettel is struggling massively. To get the best possible result out of him, they need to remove all upgrades from his car and change it to last Friday spec.

[nani_s23]

I think ferrari better to ask Kimi “ to give our car back” & use that in the race. :-D

[tifosi1993]

Any speed traps available? Those MB powered cars are so fast, the 2 Italian GP's will be painful to watch :roll

Raikkonen 320
Max 316
Bottas 317
Perez 318
Hamilton 315



Leclerc 311
Vettel 311

So still more to come from Mercedes, they still haven't turned up the engine yet

[458 Italia]

Mattia Binotto looks worried.

[nani_s23]

Vettel is struggling massively. To get the best possible result out of him, they need to remove all upgrades from his car and change it to last Friday spec.

By this mean he will not even make it to q2:rotfl

[chinmay]

By this mean he will not even make it to q2:rotfl

Yes, he will be fighting with Williams.

[nani_s23]

Home GP will be a absolute disaster this & next season.

[S1000RR]

Raikkonen 320
Max 316
Bottas 317
Perez 318
Hamilton 315



Leclerc 311
Vettel 311

So still more to come from Mercedes, they still haven't turned up the engine yet

Thx:thumb

[chinmay]

Albon's Thai roots won't do him much good if he qualifies 7 tenths off Verstappen on such a short track or any track for that matter.

[tifosi1993]

Well atleast the race sim is looking a bit competitive, matching Mclaren and Stoll

[PURE PASSION]

SO EMBARRASSING !!!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

Now we are lapping faster than Stoll and Mclaren, car is behaving well on those mediums.

Now both Lec and Vet pits

[PURE PASSION]

Well atleast the race sim is looking a bit competitive, matching Mclaren and Stoll

I cant believe that we end up calling competitive performance to match Mclaren and Stroll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

I cant believe that we end up calling competitive performance to match Mclaren and Stroll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well both of them got good cars, and both Lec and Vet were lapping faster on mediums during the race run....

And right now we are in the pits. Maybe we will do a Q3 run at the very last minutes.

[WS6TransAm01]

Ferrari is the best team on the grid... at going backwards with "development"

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[nani_s23]

This some pain to see :roll our car at P9 & P16.

[chinmay]

Vettel is going out this season, imagine what Leclerc must be thinking, he has to drive the same car till the end of 2021.

[alfaromeo]

Ferrari sf1000 is one of the worst car in Ferrari history f1. They need new peoples this is just insane. They are totally lost.

[458 Italia]

Vettel can't keep it between the white lines.

[458 Italia]

croft again can't hide his delight at how bad the Ferrari engine is :roll

[paolo lalli]

Sf1000 = scuderia failure Ferrari updates have failed scrap the car and withdraw from the season a total embarrassment to all that is good about Ferrari.Show binotto the exit door he is not the leader Ferrari need.

[tifosi1993]

Actually...pace with heavy fuel load isn't bad. The long run pace looks quite good compared to last week.
But the engine is lacking pick power, which is going to be quite painful during qualifying, no so much during race day.

[ss-89]

Last full laps before the chequered flag Leclerc was faster than Verstappen on the race run mediums though verstappens were 6 laps older. We seem to have good pace on the mediums was the same in the last race.


Actually...pace with heavy fuel load isn't bad. The long run pace looks quite good compared to last week.
But the engine is lacking pick power, which is going to be quite painful during qualifying, no so much during race day.

Agreed. Looks like our party mode is what is missing.

[S1000RR]

So no additional Q runs in the last part of FP2? Vettel only drove on used mediums, complaining about the balance of his car. So did Hamilton, the only positive point :lol

[Ferrarichamp]

is Ham getting old?

[gvera]

Ferrari sf1000 is one of the worst car in Ferrari history f1. They need new peoples this is just insane. They are totally lost.

I guess you weren't around in 1980 when Gilles ended 14th, Jody 19th and Ferrari 9th in the championship (beating only Alfa Romeo).
That was a bad year...

[tifosi1993]

FP2 sectors (top 6 and Ferrari)

Verstappen 1:03.660 (16.154--28.144--19.309)

Bottas 1:03.703 (16.179--28.390--19.134)

Perez 1:03.877 (16.227--28.370--19.280)

Stroll 1:04.241 (16.200--28.574--19.464)

Sainz 1:04.333 (16.256--28.564--19.513)

Hamilton 1:04.348 (16.230--28.829--19.289)

Leclerc 1:04.706 (16.428--28.678--19.600)

Vettel deleted lap time 1:04.772 (16.379--28.765--19.628)

[S1000RR]

Actually...pace with heavy fuel load isn't bad. The long run pace looks quite good compared to last week.
But the engine is lacking pick power, which is going to be quite painful during qualifying, no so much during race day.

So we have decent performance on heavy fuel load on medium and as Leclerc showed last week decent performance on light fuel load in race trim.

[ss-89]

is Ham getting old?

He has tended to start seasons a bit slow so I suspect he will be back.

[WS6TransAm01]

Sf1000 = scuderia failure Ferrari updates have failed scrap the car and withdraw from the season a total embarrassment to all that is good about Ferrari.Show binotto the exit door he is not the leader Ferrari need.

I prefer Suck-Fest Ferrari

Yea, but he is the leader Ferrari deserves.

[WS6TransAm01]

He has tended to start seasons a bit slow so I suspect he will be back.

Too much time pandering and keeling to concentrate on racing.

[tifosi1993]

I guess you weren't around in 1980 when Gilles ended 14th, Jody 19th and Ferrari 9th in the championship (beating only Alfa Romeo).
That was a bad year...

But it's not the 80's. Back in those days, any private team with good financial backing could win the champinoship. But that's no longer the case today.
Money dominates current F1, and Ferrari is one of the richest, if not the richest team in F1. There's no excuse for battling with Mclaren or Tracing point, teams with half the budget, resources and workforce compared to Ferrari.

[jgonzalesm6]

I guess you weren't around in 1980 when Gilles ended 14th, Jody 19th and Ferrari 9th in the championship (beating only Alfa Romeo).
That was a bad year...

yep, sure feels that way.....Ferrari was in a 20 YEAR drought....until year 2000.

[jgonzalesm6]

This could be the starting grid as it stands. Rain might disqualify FP3 and qualifying tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecknm9kXsAEnbjR?format=jpg&name=medium

[nani_s23]

This could be the starting grid as it stands. Rain might disqualify FP3 and qualifying tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecknm9kXsAEnbjR?format=jpg&name=medium

:clap credit goes to ferrari for developing such a car & launching it with a grand event.

[paolo lalli]

Looks like the SF 1000 has caught the covid virus because it looks pretty sick to me, must be placed in isolation immediately.

[S1000RR]

This could be the starting grid as it stands. Rain might disqualify FP3 and qualifying tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecknm9kXsAEnbjR?format=jpg&name=medium

Nah, Q can be delayed untill sunday morning, weather forecast is ok. FP3 can be cancelled.

[Ferrarichamp]

I think Max might win this one. Not sure Bottas can win back to back, and Ham is a bit slow.

[Aziz]

:clap credit goes to ferrari for developing such a car & launching it with a grand event.

At least marketing department is good :-)

[nani_s23]

I think Max might win this one. Not sure Bottas can win back to back, and Ham is a bit slow.

Mercs didn’t turn it up yet.

[KimiBot]

This could be the starting grid as it stands. Rain might disqualify FP3 and qualifying tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecknm9kXsAEnbjR?format=jpg&name=medium

I hope not.

[KimiBot]

Well atleast the race sim is looking a bit competitive, matching Mclaren and Stoll

something almost positive, thanks

[WS6TransAm01]

Looks like the SF 1000 has caught the covid virus because it looks pretty sick to me, must be placed in isolation immediately.

Okay... now THAT is funny!

[tifosi1993]

I'm still going to wait until Q2, before writing off the new upgrades completely. I refuse to believe that, the new package made the car 1 second slower on qualy sim but 6-7 tenths (even more)/lap faster on race sim.

Of course we are not going lock out the front row, but we are not going to be P9 and P16 either.

[Tony]

Is Rory Byrne still working with Ferrari in any way?

[gump1480]

I'm still going to wait until Q2, before writing off the new upgrades completely. I refuse to believe that, the new package made the car 1 second slower on qualy sim but 6-7 tenths (even more)/lap faster on race sim.

Of course we are not going lock out the front row, but we are not going to be P9 and P16 either.

Any race sim comparison data you have ? 6-7 tenths/lap is a huge leap in race sim.

[FerrariF60]

Can Ferrari go back to Maranello and just get another car out of the museum!!!!

Or at least dust off the sf90 and run that this year...prolly 1000 better then this donkey

[Kyss4k]

Is Rory Byrne still working with Ferrari in any way?

He still probably does, but sadly even if he would be full time in the Scuderia, it would not change how down on power is our egngine.

[FerrariF60]

I cant believe that we end up calling competitive performance to match Mclaren and Stroll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup f Ing embarrassing....last year we were fighting for wins, this year we fight for top of midfield....I think Binotto gonna get sacked...

[chinmay]

Vettel says the car feels lot better and he hopes it stays this way. He says he can't even compare it to last week because the difference is huge.

[PURE PASSION]

Vettel says the car feels lot better and he hopes it stays this way. He says he can't even compare it to last week because the difference is huge.

From Friday car last week ,or the race car where he had numerous problems ????

[FerrariF60]

FP2 sectors (top 6 and Ferrari)

Verstappen 1:03.660 (16.154--28.144--19.309)

Bottas 1:03.703 (16.179--28.390--19.134)

Perez 1:03.877 (16.227--28.370--19.280)

Stroll 1:04.241 (16.200--28.574--19.464)

Sainz 1:04.333 (16.256--28.564--19.513)

Hamilton 1:04.348 (16.230--28.829--19.289)

Leclerc 1:04.706 (16.428--28.678--19.600)

Vettel deleted lap time 1:04.772 (16.379--28.765--19.628)

Wow, haven’t watched FP2..but that looks painful....hues it’s fair to say that even the Honda engine is better than our DONKEY this season.....total embarrassment from.....Enzo is prolly rolling in his grave seeing how bad an engine Ferrari have built....especially going by his saying “aerodynamics are for people who can’t built engines”.....well it seems that NOT only we can’t build a solid engine, but we can’t even have a decent aero either.....lol

[tifosi1993]

Any race sim comparison data you have ? 6-7 tenths/lap is a huge leap in race sim.

Leclerc (today, mediums)

1m09.456
1m09.585
1m09.407
1m09.520
1m09.511
1m09.792
1m09.557
1m09.547

Leclerc (1st Austrian GP, softs)

1m09.925
1m10.271
1m10.310
1m10.287
1m10.596
1m10.611
1m10.511
1m10.460
etc

Of course, we don't know the actual fuel load of today's race sim, and I'm not including race sim from July 3 practice, since the track was more than 22C cooler, so entirely different condition. But still, it looks promising. And according to Vettel, the current car feels completely different than what they had a weeks ago, so another positive sign.

Also Leclerc: “I think we found a few things on high fuel towards the end of the day, the last run especially, so this is positive, let’s see whether tomorrow, or after tomorrow depending on the weather, if we are able to gain the lap time we gained on high fuel also on low fuel.”

So clearly happy with his long run pace.

[Jax]

Reading this one would think he is gonna put it on pole come tomorrow, :lol :-! https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-ferrari-different-car-austria/4830419/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-22

[nani_s23]

Reading this one would think he is gonna put it on pole come tomorrow, ����https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-ferrari-different-car-austria/4830419/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-22

:rotfl

[SilverSpeed]

Oh noes drama lil" queen lewis told NOT to play mind games with him... :rotfl

[PURE PASSION]

For me ,it doesnt look SOO possitive!! I mean only Vettel was quite upbeat but ,as i said before, he was just compairing to the last Sunday race car witch had a lot of problems and was almost undrivable!!!! So a good car for Vet might be a car like Leclerc's last Sunday's !!!!!
And Leclerc on the other hand was not so ethusiastic!!!! It was more like the updates didn't give us anything special,but we don't want to admit it yet !!!!!

[nani_s23]

For me ,it doesnt look SOO possitive!! I mean only Vettel was quite upbeat but ,as i said before, he was just compairing to the last Sunday race car witch had a lot of problems and was almost undrivable!!!! So a good car for Vet might be a car like Leclerc's last Sunday's !!!!!
And Leclerc on the other hand was not so ethusiastic!!!! It was more like the updates didn't give us anything special,but we don't want to admit it yet !!!!!

Binotto “we continue to understand the car”

[PURE PASSION]

Binotto “we continue to understand the car”

And we CAN'T understand you Mr Binotto !!!!!!

[Cavallino]

Leclerc (today, mediums)

1m09.456
1m09.585
1m09.407
1m09.520
1m09.511
1m09.792
1m09.557
1m09.547

Leclerc (1st Austrian GP, softs)

1m09.925
1m10.271
1m10.310
1m10.287
1m10.596
1m10.611
1m10.511
1m10.460
etc

Of course, we don't know the actual fuel load of today's race sim, and I'm not including race sim from July 3 practice, since the track was more than 22C cooler, so entirely different condition. But still, it looks promising. And according to Vettel, the current car feels completely different than what they had a weeks ago, so another positive sign.

Also Leclerc: “I think we found a few things on high fuel towards the end of the day, the last run especially, so this is positive, let’s see whether tomorrow, or after tomorrow depending on the weather, if we are able to gain the lap time we gained on high fuel also on low fuel.”

So clearly happy with his long run pace.

So is he saying the things they found were from the new parts or just fine tuning the overall package?

We're definitely not fighting the fizzy drink company yet, but I don't think we can tell anything from today's sessions as viewers.

The lap times you put up there look like they are giving a 3 tenth improvement which was our best case going into this weekend.

[Schumiklub]

So the storm is edging nearer to Spielberg.

https://www.facebook.com/113431230389751/posts/135133944886146/?vh=e&d=n


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[330 p4]

And we CAN'T understand you Mr Binotto !!!!!!

To be fair bringing a few updates was forced on the team by the big boss. Binotto likes to line his ducks up like last year withholding updates until ready. Forcing a few of these updates through this weekend is kicking the can down the road just for political posturing something is being done. If Hungary upgrade was a whole new direction how can mixing a few of the upgrades with the current concept work? It's like having a Merc clone for Hungary but only having a few parts of that on the car this weekend. It simply will not work.

[330 p4]

Or at least dust off the sf90 and run that this year...prolly 1000 better then this donkey

SF90 had the banned engine that gained 1 second a lap on the straights. SF1000 is a much better chassis but castrated engine loses 0.7 on the straights, that's a 1.7 second swing. With the banned engine the SF1000 would be on pole by 0.8 seconds based on last weekends qualifying.

[PURE PASSION]

To be fair bringing a few updates was forced on the team by the big boss. Binotto likes to line his ducks up like last year withholding updates until ready. Forcing a few of these updates through this weekend is kicking the can down the road just for political posturing something is being done. If Hungary upgrade was a whole new direction how can mixing a few of the upgrades with the current concept work? It's like having a Merc clone for Hungary but only having a few parts of that on the car this weekend. It simply will not work.
They said that they did it because it was an apportunity to evaluate the new pieces in the same track they race with the old ones just a week ago. Its the 1st time teams can do such thing.

[PURE PASSION]

On the other hand , according to F1AT, we where on low engine modes on our soft laps and that we are sure that tomorrow sessions will go as planed so they save a lot of soft tires.
also our long runs where quite good!!
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https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2020/07/gp-stiria-2020-analisi-fp2-lupdate-ferrari-delude-le-attese.html

[paolo lalli]

The negeative rhetoric that is communicated to Ferrari by commentators and other team principles for the current performance level of the SF 1000 is deserved Ferrari have only them selves to blame for this lousy situation.Binottos tenure is under pressure his glasses are fogging up all the time.Camelleri will show him the door with vettal come seasons end, they can hold hands on the way out.The negativity might spur Ferrari on.One must ask how does a billion dollar organisation get it so so wrong, when teams with a fraction are really having a genuine crack.

[330 p4]

The negeative rhetoric that is communicated to Ferrari by commentators and other team principles for the current performance level of the SF 1000 is deserved Ferrari have only them selves to blame for this lousy situation.Binottos tenure is under pressure his glasses are fogging up all the time.Camelleri will show him the door with vettal come seasons end, they can hold hands on the way out.The negativity might spur Ferrari on.One must ask how does a billion dollar organisation get it so so wrong, when teams with a fraction are really having a genuine crack.

Because they are never given time to build. TP at Ferrari is a poisoned challace, if u cannot win fans demand it instantaneously. Would hate to lose Binotto, he was great on engine and on chassis when put in charge. He inherited a situation from previous regimes and last year was 1st time in a decade Ferrari improved as the year went on, remember Singapoure aero upgrade. Fire him like Allison and Da Costa and weep when he goes to Merc and looks like a genious. Fans need to calm down and give him time. Remember an old TP joined in 93 took 7 years to win a constructors and 8 years for drivers....Jean Todt? Merc built year on year from 2010, took their 5th season until they won. Ferrari problem is expecting titles without any foundations.

[Cavallino]

On the other hand , according to F1AT, we where on low engine modes on our soft laps and that we are sure that tomorrow sessions will go as planed so they save a lot of soft tires.
also our long runs where quite good!!
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https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2020/07/gp-stiria-2020-analisi-fp2-lupdate-ferrari-delude-le-attese.html

This implies Charles can fight for a podium on merit.

[Silent Bob]

Because they are never given time to build. TP at Ferrari is a poisoned challace, if u cannot win fans demand it instantaneously. Would hate to lose Binotto, he was great on engine and on chassis when put in charge. He inherited a situation from previous regimes and last year was 1st time in a decade Ferrari improved as the year went on, remember Singapoure aero upgrade. Fire him like Allison and Da Costa and weep when he goes to Merc and looks like a genious. Fans need to calm down and give him time. Remember an old TP joined in 93 took 7 years to win a constructors and 8 years for drivers....Jean Todt? Merc built year on year from 2010, took their 5th season until they won. Ferrari problem is expecting titles without any foundations.


Completely agree. Let's not expend all our talent. Ex Ferrari men are on of the reasons Mercs are so strong.

[paolo lalli]

Fair point.

[PURE PASSION]

Because they are never given time to build. TP at Ferrari is a poisoned challace, if u cannot win fans demand it instantaneously. Would hate to lose Binotto, he was great on engine and on chassis when put in charge. He inherited a situation from previous regimes and last year was 1st time in a decade Ferrari improved as the year went on, remember Singapoure aero upgrade. Fire him like Allison and Da Costa and weep when he goes to Merc and looks like a genious. Fans need to calm down and give him time. Remember an old TP joined in 93 took 7 years to win a constructors and 8 years for drivers....Jean Todt? Merc built year on year from 2010, took their 5th season until they won. Ferrari problem is expecting titles without any foundations.

Definatly we dont want to lose Binotto. I actually supported him and I think he was excellent TD. But since last year that he is TP also ,he seems like he lost something. We need a man strong enough and smart enough ,as TP, to handle all the matters with FIA and making agreements that suit us !!! And right now it looks like Binnoto cant handle it !!!!

[nani_s23]

Definatly we dont want to lose Binotto. I actually supported him and I think he was excellent TD. But since last year that he is TP also ,he seems like he lost something. We need a man strong enough and smart enough ,as TP, to handle all the matters with FIA and making agreements that suit us !!! And right now it looks like Binnoto cant handle it !!!!

My version too....:-)

Look at RB & Toto. They talk a lot even though it’s nonsense. But they are making their mark.
Mattia is calm going person, at lest he should fight for the benefits of Ferrari with FIA etc.

[KimiBot]

weather?

[KimiBot]

weather?

yeah, raining

[alfaromeo]

My personal opinion is that Ferrari has thus fallen in shape or. rather it is late with upgrades: 1. covid-19 when the ferrari had it actually closed the English teams were working (fia ???) 2. fia by installing sensors on the engine new rules...

[tifosi1993]

F3 race has stopped due to heavy rainfall.

https://i.redd.it/2v81s1ktw6a51.png

[458 Italia]

So FP3 canceled as expected.

[nani_s23]

So quali on Sunday morning? There’s no official confirmation yet.
I think it will be tight schedule between F2 & F3 race.

If they can’t fit in a schedule then FP2 timings will be considered as grid positions for the race. :roll

[458 Italia]

Quali still scheduled for 14:00 BST, so we shall see if it happens or not.

[Ferrarichamp]

wet qualy should be interesting, maybe Ham will spin off.

[nani_s23]

wet qualy should be interesting, maybe Ham will spin off.

Mercs car mighty in wet Conditions & with ham. It will be even more.
Bottas is not good under these conditions. It will be a setback for him if it’s wet quali.

[458 Italia]

It's still very wet there in Austria.

The helicopter can't fly atm either so it's looking like Qualifying will be postponed until tomorrow.

[nani_s23]

It's still very wet there in Austria.

It’s better to cancel now.. rather than wait wait wait & then no quali news.

[nani_s23]

The rain has eased... ��

Things are looking up for qualifying! ☔️

From SkyF1

[tifosi1993]

It's still very wet there in Austria.

The helicopter can't fly atm either so it's looking like Qualifying will be postponed until tomorrow.

The rain has stopped a while ago. The condition is improving. So nothing stopping the medical helicopter from flying.

[chinmay]

It’s better to cancel now.. rather than wait wait wait & then no quali news.

Everyone wants wet qualifying except Racing Point and McLaren.

[chinmay]

Track is super dry, good enough to run Hypersofts but rain is on the way, should be hitting the track right at the start of Q1.

[458 Italia]

Track is super dry, good enough to run Hypersofts but rain is on the way, should be hitting the track right at the start of Q1.

Better get a lap in quick.

[chinmay]

Lando Norris claims Ferrari is strongest car in corners.

[458 Italia]

I don't think it's gonna happen today.

[KimiBot]

I don't think it's gonna happen today.

looks like so

[nani_s23]

Lando Norris claims Ferrari is strongest car in corners.

Carrying too much downforce & drag. Slow on straights.

[Ferrarichamp]

so qualy Sunday morning?

[nani_s23]

so qualy Sunday morning?

Obviously.

[chinmay]

Carrying too much downforce & drag. Slow on straights.

I think last week they were claiming Ferrari lacks downforce.

[chinmay]

Rain only needs to lighten up a bit and then they can get on with it. Ferrari needs wet qualifying.

[458 Italia]

Ahhhh Le Mans, can't wait for that to come around again :pray

[nani_s23]

I think last week they were claiming Ferrari lacks downforce.

Nope it’s not lack of DF, balance isn’t right. Pretty much oversteer.

[nhiepka]

I can safe say "our cars are designed for wet racing". I am really feeling it, who have the same feeling with me? ^^

[Lesky]

Just send out Masi with some showels and he will take care of the water!

[458 Italia]

How about they show a replay of the 1996 Spanish GP :-D

[458 Italia]

Track looks fine now, drains pretty quickly.

[Rishu]

10 Mins to start

[458 Italia]

Do they have to speak to horner all the sodding time :roll

[Ferrarichamp]

Obviously.

:-D

[tifosi1993]

Charles now flying

[458 Italia]

Well done Ferrari for getting out first.

[458 Italia]

would love to see ham bin it :pray

[tifosi1993]

Chales fastest driver in sector 2

Vettel in sector 3

[458 Italia]

Our car is looking pretty good in the wet.

[458 Italia]

Boooooo mercs are fast.

[458 Italia]

I think it was a little too much to ask for the rain to really shake things up.

[Lesky]

35 minutes until Hamilton pole.

[458 Italia]

Our car is looking pretty good in the wet.

Maybe spoke too soon :-??

[Ferrarichamp]

McLaren look decent in these conditions.

[458 Italia]

We got lucky there with the red flag

[KimiBot]

that was fun

[KimiBot]

Grosjean went wide, that was a BIG SURPRISE....NOT

[nani_s23]

at least 1 RP car (Perez) is out :-D. More to go.

Those McLaren cars looks strong under these conditions :roll.

[tifosi1993]

We got lucky there with the red flag

Vettel got lucky. Leclerc, Albon, Russell, Perez all were improving

[gump1480]

Ferrari is all weather **** car

[PURE PASSION]

Just open my tv and I see Lec 13th 2,6s off AND behind Russel??????!!!!!!!

[458 Italia]

Vettel got lucky. Leclerc, Albon, Russell, Perez all were improving

Oh wasn't sure if Leclerc was setting a better time or not, in that case yep Vettel got lucky.

[Rishu]

If not Ferrari, I would much rather like to see Verstappen or Norris take Pole

[nani_s23]

Both Ferrari’s were out in fresh set of wet tyres.

[458 Italia]

Concerning that we felt the need to stop for a fresh set of wet tyres.

[Ferrarichamp]

Grosjean went wide, that was a BIG SURPRISE....NOT

well they say F1 is a circus, so they need a clown :lol

[nani_s23]

If not Ferrari, I would much rather like to see Verstappen or Norris take Pole

I like to see Bottas;-):-D

[chinmay]

Oh I saw the earlier times when Vettel and Leclerc were in the top 3, turns out that was when no one else had set laptimes. Thought they will dominate, maybe not lol.

[Lesky]

If not Ferrari, I would much rather like to see Verstappen or Norris take Pole

Not going to happen, Merc quickest car by a mile, Lewis will cruise to pole, Bottas nowhere in the wet.

[KimiBot]

yes, hopefully Bottas, Hamilton just can not beat Michaels record, Bottas is only hope

[jgonzalesm6]

Wet Q1 results

Track evlolution got beter during Q1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcpqIJ8WkAA72JD?format=jpg&name=medium

[Rishu]

Not going to happen, Merc quickest car by a mile, Lewis will cruise to pole, Bottas nowhere in the wet.

You never know, wet conditions are like lottery

[458 Italia]

Ferrari nowhere again.

[Ferrarichamp]

yes, hopefully Bottas, Hamilton just can not beat Michaels record, Bottas is only hope

he could be Finland's 4th wdc, who knows?

[ferrari1.8t]

Looks like Ferrari not getting out of Q2

[PURE PASSION]

Ok we have a very very VERY bad car !!!!!!

[458 Italia]

We're so poor!

[Aziz]

You never know, wet conditions are like lottery

The only constant is we are slow everywhere, this is insane and pathetic

[nani_s23]

Ferrari car is worst. It’s doesn’t work neither in dry nor in wet. :roll

[Kyss4k]

This car is just trash in every condition by the looks of it.

[Ferrarichamp]

many were saying we were hopeless last week, still got P2.

[458 Italia]

It never rains but it pours, literally!

[458 Italia]

many were saying we were hopeless last week, still got P2.

We had a lot of luck going our way at the end of that race.

[Ferrari312T4]

We are nowhere

[458 Italia]

Extremely disappointing. :-s

[458 Italia]

Embarrassing compared to how the mercs are going faster when we're going slower!

[458 Italia]

Shocking! Do you laugh or cry?

[Rishu]

Alpha Tauri faster than us in wet

[nani_s23]

Great job by Mattia.... spooling kids career with stupid car. :furious

[jgonzalesm6]

This SF1000 is nowehere is the rain......as well.

[PURE PASSION]

We are totally hopeless!!!!! And I dont want to hear about conditions because other where improving !!!!

[KimiBot]

not disappointed, expected

[vetalo]

Ferrari is such a **** these days - No innovation, a place where each year for the past 12 years take 2 steps forward and 20 steps backwards. Binotto walks and talks as if nothing bothers him

[nani_s23]

Alpha Tauri faster than us in wet

This shows we don’t have a good car in dry & wet too.

[Hornet]

Was hoping the rain could help us.
But I guess our problem isn't just the engine. :-(

[tifosi1993]

Man I miss Alonso. Alonso, Hamilton, Max..these are the drivers that can make a difference in this type of conditions...

[nani_s23]

Was hoping the rain could help us.
But I guess our problem isn't just the engine. :-(

Car is quick just in corners. That’s it. Too much oversteer & imbalance.

[Rishu]

Man I miss Alonso. Alonso, Hamilton, Max..these are the drivers that can make a difference in this type of conditions...

Add Michael and Senna to these three. Masters in wet

[Kyss4k]

Man I miss Alonso. Alonso, Hamilton, Max..these are the drivers that can make a difference in this type of conditions...

If the car is a total crap, even God would not make that much of a difference. And our car is total garbage.

[WS6TransAm01]

Great job by Mattia.... spooling kids career with stupid car. :furious

Charles needs to jump this sinking ship as soon as he can. Alonso, Vettel, Charles, Ferrari is superb at wasting talent in the last 10 years.

[tifosi1993]

Was hoping the rain could help us.
But I guess our problem isn't just the engine. :-(

It seems the whole package is the problem. Neither Leclerc nor Vettel are proving to be outstanding in this types of conditions...Yeah I know Vettel has won wet Monza in 2008, but that's 12 years ago.

[chinmay]

Add Michael and Senna to these three. Masters in wet

Add Nico Rosberg to that list. Dominated Hamilton in these conditions and got 4 poles. Rosberg the rain master! :lol

[KimiBot]

If the car is a total crap, even God would not make that much of a difference. And our car is total garbage.

yes, but something positive, we have Binotto....lol

[PURE PASSION]

Man I miss Alonso. Alonso, Hamilton, Max..these are the drivers that can make a difference in this type of conditions...

I'm pretty sure they couldn't do anything with this car. Even Senna would stop ant the pits and would say to the team "give me a decent car to drive,this is awful " !!!!!

[tifosi1993]

If the car is a total crap, even God would not make that much of a difference. And our car is total garbage.

Alonso did put that piece of crap F2012 on pole when it was raining...plus winning the Malaysian GP. He would've made the difference.

[jgonzalesm6]

Q2 results...still wet conditions in full wets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecpu-IdXsAESzTm?format=jpg&name=medium

[Arcana]

Car is garbage, Binotto is a lot worse than Domenicalli, Seb was never a superstar in the wet and Leclerc proves again that he is just rubbish in the wet. He was an embarrassment in Q1. With better drivers - see Max / Lewis - we would have made it into Q3.

[gump1480]

It seems the whole package is the problem. Neither Leclerc nor Vettel are proving to be outstanding in this types of conditions...Yeah I know Vettel has won wet Monza in 2008, but that's 12 years ago.

Even Senna or Schumi wouldn't have fared any better. This car was breaking traction in a straight line...just pathetic.

[Aziz]

Does Binotto feels shame???!! Does this bind idiot feels anything??!

[Kyss4k]

Alonso did put that piece of crap F2012 on pole when it was raining...plus winning the Malaysian GP. He would've made the difference.

F2012 was piece of crap, but in a different way. It had super narrow window, in which it worked. Alonso managed to keep it in the window better, than Massa. This car does not have a window... This car does not even have an engine? How do you wannna hussle that?

[Rishu]

Max is a beast

[nhiepka]

Please fire Binotto asa

[Kyss4k]

Please fire Binotto asa

don't fire him... just put him where he belongs... in Maranello. And hire some experienced team boss, or even two, one in racing role and the other into "politics".

[tifosi1993]

F2012 was piece of crap, but in a different way. It had super narrow window, in which it worked. Alonso managed to keep it in the window better, than Massa. This car does not have a window... This car does not even have an engine? How do you wannna hussle that?

You think this car is worse than Williams? Leclerc only 0.008 ahead.
This type of condition is a great equalizer, cars cant generate enough downforce. It's the drivers who makes all the difference, where to find the grip, when to put the power early etc. Stop blaming the engine/car for one second and put some blame on the driver as well.

[tifosi1993]

Max is a beast

So is Hamilton. There is a reason why this guy is a 6 times world champion

[tifosi1993]

Ham vs Max, lets see who takes the pole

[Rishu]

So is Hamilton. There is a reason why this guy is a 6 times world champion

No question about it

[Kyss4k]

You think this car is worse than Williams? Leclerc only 0.008 ahead.
This type of condition is a great equalizer, cars cant generate enough downforce. It's the drivers who makes all the difference, where to find the grip, when to put the power early etc. Stop blaming the engine/car for one second and put some blame on the driver as well.

Last time I checked, Williams have Mercedes engine... And you want to say, that Russel is so much better diver, than Leclerc? Don't kid yourself, our car is trash.

[Aziz]

Ham is a beast in every way

[Peter De La Mar]

Pole by 1.2 seconds. Slightly impressive.

[Kyss4k]

Lewis is just... wow

[ferrari1.8t]

Sainz is probably regretting signing for Ferrari right now.

[KimiBot]

Pole by 1.2 seconds. Slightly impressive.

yeah

[gump1480]

Ham is a beast in every way

Yeah he is...that was Sennaesque from him today. Showed Verstappen where he belongs

[tifosi1993]

Last time I checked, Williams have Mercedes engine... And you want to say, that Russel is so much better diver, than Leclerc? Don't kid yourself, our car is trash.

You stop kidding yourself. So what are you saying, that Ferrari is no better than Williams?
This is a wet qualifying, what the the **** engine gonna do, pull the car faster through corners? :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Sainz is probably regretting signing for Ferrari right now.

For sure

[tifosi1993]

Ham is a beast in every way

And shows the real worth of someone like Bottas. Out-qualified his teammate buy 1.428 seconds. But yeah...it's the Mercedes who we need to blame here! :lol

[nani_s23]

Ferrari never produced a good wet race car.
It’s just drivers of Schumi & Alonso made the difference.

[458 Italia]

I don't think I shall bother tomorrow now then.

[tifosi1993]

Hamilton :thumb
Max :thumb
Sainz :thumb
Ocon :thumb
Gasly :thumb

Bottas :rotfl
Albon :rotfl
Ferrari drivers :rotfl

[Ferrarichamp]

Was hoping the rain could help us.
But I guess our problem isn't just the engine. :-(

obviously not.

[Peter De La Mar]

Could Sky have picked a worse position for the interviews?

[nani_s23]

You stop kidding yourself. So what are you saying, that Ferrari is no better than Williams?
This is a wet qualifying, what the the **** engine gonna do, pull the car faster through corners? :rotfl

Williams car is better in these conditions. That’s true. Even stroll outqualified Ferrari’s last time.
There are certain conditions which their car suits to.

With worst car no driver can do anything.

[Jax]

I still love Ferrari and support them but after 13 winless seasons I AM DONE. I am supporting redbull now to end merc's arrogance. #FORZAFERRARI i hope they find their way

[WS6TransAm01]

You HAVE to be impressed with how bad the car is, no? I mean it takes skill to be that much slower than last year.

[Jax]

AND I AM ACTUALLY STARTING TO FEEL SORRY FOR CHARLES AND CARLOS

[nani_s23]

I thought Charles would be a WDC before max. But looking at current Ferrari, I don’t have any hope for 2 seasons.
Hope in 2022 ferrari start on a good note. Else we will see waste of talent once again

[KimiBot]

so hopefully Max can beat Ham tomorrow, nothing much else to wait for

[tifosi1993]

Williams car is better in these conditions. That’s true. Even stroll outqualified Ferrari’s last time.
There are certain conditions which their car suits to.

With worst car no driver can do anything.

The last time was Hungary 2018, when Raikkonen was the fastest driver in Q3 and would've taken the pole, but he was unable to because he couldn't do a single lap on new tyres.
For the last time, stop blaming the car, the team, tyres, suspension or whatever for one second and admit that, netiher Lec or Vet are outstanding in this conditions. There's a reason why both Ham and Max outqualified their teammates by more than 1 seconds.

And the Williams of 2017 wasn't an absolute dog, unlike the Williams of last year or this year.

[Arcana]

Hamilton :thumb
Max :thumb
Sainz :thumb
Ocon :thumb
Gasly :thumb

Bottas :rotfl
Albon :rotfl
Ferrari drivers :rotfl


+1 This! You couldn't point it better. It proves that our issues are not just car / Binotto / management by any means.

[Jax]

THEY HAVE TO CHANGE CULTURE, ITALIANS ARE NO GOOD. THEY ARE DRIVEN BY EMOTIONS, EMOTIONS DRIVEN DECISIONS ARE JUST HORRIBLE DECISIONS.

[wappad]

What a great session it was :clap

Really what F1 needed: Just drive in the rain when possible. Great decision :thumb

Scuderia, keep fighting tomorrow and try to get as much points as possible.

Good luck to you boys tomorrow, Forza Ferrari :clap

[ferras]

I finally made sure it wasn’t an Ferrari engine. Just chassis so trash...

[TonyRizza]

At least the high downforce idea really worked.
Ferrari are shockingly bad, get rid of binotto or at least demote him

[Jax]

What a great session it was :clap

Really what F1 needed: Just drive in the rain when possible. Great decision :thumb

Scuderia, keep fighting tomorrow and try to get as much points as possible.

Good luck to you boys tomorrow, Forza Ferrari :clap

I LOVE YOUR OPTIMISM, YOU MUST BE NEW HERE :-D

[vetalo]

I still love Ferrari and support them but after 13 winless seasons I AM DONE. I am supporting redbull now to end merc's arrogance. #FORZAFERRARI i hope they find their way

Please don't go

[Lesky]

Yeah he is...that was Sennaesque from him today. Showed Verstappen where he belongs

Thats a joke of a statement, Merc has the best car on the gird BY FAR. Then of course Lewis much better than Bottas, but I believe Verstappen would beat Lewis in the same car.

[nani_s23]

The last time was Hungary 2018, when Raikkonen was the fastest driver in Q3 and would've taken the pole, but he was unable to because he couldn't do one single lap on new tyres.
For the last time, stop blaming the car, the team, tyres, suspension or whatever for one second and admit that, netiher Lec or Vet are outstanding in this conditions. There's a reason why both Ham and Max outqualified both their teammates by more than 1 seconds.

And the Williams of 2017 wasn't an absolute dog, unlike the Williams of last year or this year.

When there’s a good car, your driver will make the difference in such conditions.
They will find the sweet spot & make it work. That’s how RB & Mercs cars are & their drivers are making difference.

When you don’t have a good car, wt will driver do? How can he find traction or grip?

Ok tell me when was the last time ferrari car won in wet race? Leave Alonso & schumi

[wappad]

I LOVE YOUR OPTIMISM, YOU MUST BE NEW HERE :-D

Love your reaction ;-)!!

Forza Ferrari :thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

Quaifying results...usng full wets. Rain is the great equalizer...given the track, the cars and their drivers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecp2xfCX0AAUXhm?format=jpg&name=medium

[tifosi1993]

When there’s a good car, your driver will make the difference in such conditions.
They will find the sweet spot & make it work. That’s how RB & Mercs cars are & their drivers are making difference.

When you don’t have a good car, wt will driver do? How can he find traction or grip?

Ok tell me when was the last time ferrari car won in wet race? Leave Alonso & schumi

So you are saying Mercedes is a worse car than the Mclaren, because Bottas got out-qualified by Sainz. Good to know.

And why would I ever leave out Schumi or Alonso? if both of them can win races in a dog of a car like 1996 or 2012 Ferrari, you atleast expect current Ferrari drivers to beat Gasly or Ocon, and qualify inside the top 10.

[Noquarter]

I don't know why, but Ferrari have been terrible in rainy conditions for several seasons.

[Ferrari312T4]

THEY HAVE TO CHANGE CULTURE, ITALIANS ARE NO GOOD. THEY ARE DRIVEN BY EMOTIONS, EMOTIONS DRIVEN DECISIONS ARE JUST HORRIBLE DECISIONS.

Ah it's the Italians... Well Williams should look even more stupid then being a British team.

[nani_s23]

So you are saying Mercedes is a worse car than the Mclaren, because Bottas got out-qualified by Sainz. Good to know.

And why would I ever leave out Schumi or Alonso? if both of them can win races in a dog of a car like 1996 or 2012 Ferrari, you atleast expect current Ferrari drivers to beat Gasly or Ocon, and qualify inside the top 10.

I’m asking about the car & your are asking drivers. :-)

RB was always a good car aerodynamically. It’s no matter whether you accept it or not.
It was proved when vettel was in there & now max.
Mercs you know It’s their era, their car is suitable to every condition except hot where they have cooling issue.
and talking about drivers, when you have a good car in hand they make the talk through their driving that’s what max & ham are doing.
Now that even Alfa car is strong in these conditions, it doesn’t mean that kvyat or Ocon or sainz or Norris etc are better than Lec & vettel.