Hungarian GP 2020 Practices and Qualifying

[stefa]

As since 1995 I was always at this race, I tough I should open up this thread.
Anyway don't expect much, but on the other side, when one does not expect much, any achievement is 100% progress :-D

:ferrarifl

[wisepie]

As since 1995 I was always at this race, I tough I should open up this thread.
Anyway don't expect much, but on the other side, when one does not expect much, any achievement is 100% progress :-D

:ferrarifl

You're right stefa and unless a miracle happens with the SF1000, it's probably best for your health that you won't be at the circuit!;-)

[Super M]

As since 1995 I was always at this race, I tough I should open up this thread.
Anyway don't expect much, but on the other side, when one does not expect much, any achievement is 100% progress :-D

:ferrarifl

Hey Stefa, Trust you're doing well ?

My Opinion is that you got to the GP as i'm sure you'd bring us some good luck that we desperately need..........." Hoping for a miracle " :lol

[stefa]

You're right stefa and unless a miracle happens with the SF1000, it's probably best for your health that you won't be at the circuit!;-)

Well indeed, hope you are too. I am feeling quite strange, as I know there is race weekend at Hungaroring and I am not there. Now it is not even possible to go to Hungary, as due to to COVID 19 measures, Hungarian government introduced mandatory 14 days quarantine for people cumming from Serbia. Poor result and no light at the end of tunnel will save me some money and time.
Any way I would really like that Ferrari catch some break and find good direction!

[patrese86]

Two weeks ago I was actually optimistic of our fortunes round this track! At least this track isn't so power intensive but it seems like our aero hasn't improved as much as we wanted it to either. Maybe something unexpected will happen, I hope so...

[chinmay]

Two weeks ago I was actually optimistic of our fortunes round this track! At least this track isn't so power intensive but it seems like our aero hasn't improved as much as we wanted it to either. Maybe something unexpected will happen, I hope so...

Both Ferraris will make it to Q3, that for sure will happen.

[RicRac]

So.....is everyone going to ignore the fact that Mercedes engine now blow smoke on start up??
I remember crofty and the boys making a big stink about it when our engines were doing it, and it leads me to think are Merc doing something that might be illegal on the engine? burning oil?

[KimiBot]

Track looks really good, new tarmac?

[killer]

Lovely to see the commentary crew lawyering for RP. F1 really is back. :-)

[chinmay]

Oh well, it does look like Ferrari will be 3rd fastest in Hungary only behind Mercedes and Red Bull.

[chinmay]

Mercedes looks slow, only did a 1.16.003 on hard tyres.

[Super M]

Mercedes looks slow, only did a 1.16.003 on hard tyres.


I assume ferrari are going at snails pace to confirm whatever upgrade they brought here from Austria, and hopefully a few more parts ?

[PURE PASSION]

That Mercedes!!!!! Its frustrating how good they are!!! Year after year they develop their car and making it better and better eliminating the flaws of their previous car. And dont tell me that they cheat,.because if they do and they dont get caught means they are super smart, if they have established a status with the FIA to allow them such things, well again to do it in a short period if time as a team (2010) AND with an ex Ferrari man for FIA president, this also show how powerful they are!!!!
So pity!!!!!!!!

[nani_s23]

That Mercedes!!!!! Its frustrating how good they are!!! Year after year they develop their car and making it better and better eliminating the flaws of their previous car. And dont tell me that they cheat,.because if they do and they dont get caught means they are super smart, if they have established a status with the FIA to allow them such things, well again to do it in a short period if time as a team (2010) AND with an ex Ferrari man for FIA president, this also show how powerful they are!!!!
So pity!!!!!!!!

R Brawn laid the platform for Mercs, as it was with ferrari.

[stefa]

What about new, slimmer, nice looking new nose instead of that utter ugliness on Ferrari?

[PURE PASSION]

What about new, slimmer, nice looking new nose instead of that utter ugliness on Ferrari?

Yeh it definitely needs a nose job !!!!!!!

[chinmay]

What about new, slimmer, nice looking new nose instead of that utter ugliness on Ferrari?

Should come soon, wait a few years.

[paolo lalli]

Excellence with no boundaries to success that is the mercedes mantra any less is not exceptible.Does Ferrari currently have this? I do not say yes.Diversity brings results.

[330 p4]

Should come soon, wait a few years.

Yeah introduce a thin nose in a few years when it will be a wide nose that works best.

[chinmay]

:-D

[nhiepka]

:-D

:-D
That is true forever, and we have to adopt with our encourage leader (Binotto). This time make me recognize that people are born they are not always to become a good leader.

[458 Italia]

Listening to Binotto speak just now he doesn't feel me with confidence if I'm honest :-?? just my opinion of course

[FerrariF60]

Listening to Binotto speak just now he doesn't feel me with confidence if I'm honest :-?? just my opinion of course

You and us all mate....the car is a dog it’s got a donkey of an engine as opposed to a stallion that it used to have.....this will be our story for next year I’m afraid....

We better focus and gain time on the 2022 rules change if we are to be competitive again....

[KimiBot]

Listening to Binotto speak just now he doesn't feel me with confidence if I'm honest :-?? just my opinion of course

I think that is easy to understand, not so much support from Italy for him after two first races. Italian media can be really brutal, and for me it looked like he could start to cry at any moment.

[nani_s23]

Track is wet & we got a good car in wet. Which makes race very much interesting

[WS6TransAm01]

Wet session... womp womp

[FerrariF60]

Track is wet & we got a good car in wet. Which makes race very much interesting

I smell sarcasm, as we were nowhere last week in the wet.....lol

[nani_s23]

I smell sarcasm, as we were nowhere last week in the wet.....lol

:-D yes it’s true we can fight with Williams/haas/Alfa R right. Race will be interesting fighting for positions.
Also there’s possibility that even we don’t start or DNFs etc. so that’s more interesting.

[458 Italia]

I don't like the sneering nature of the conversation that ted kravitz and croft are having at the moment. You couldn't get anymore "little englander"

[nani_s23]

Wts the weekend weather prediction?
Sainz says it’s not the right time to regret ferrari move decision

[458 Italia]

sky find the whole protest by Renault quite funny, yet at the same time they're being a bit protective of the pink mercs.

[WS6TransAm01]

sky find the whole protest by Renault quite funny, yet at the same time they're being a bit protective of the pink mercs.

Odd isn't it? Seems like anything Merc involved they get on their soap box.

As per the brake ducts; let's say RP got the drawings from Merc, moved one surface 1mm and sent it to the composites department, it's not a copy, right? Legal?

[WS6TransAm01]

The team has red tape on their right shoulders, which sponsors are they covering up? Why?

[chinmay]

Wet session is what Ferrari needs. Car has been dud in wet conditions since 2016. Time to put in some laps.

[ferrari1.8t]

sky find the whole protest by Renault quite funny, yet at the same time they're being a bit protective of the pink mercs.

That’s because they need to protect Merc and their baby Hamilton at all costs. If RP is guilty, that would mean cooperation from Merc and make them guilty as well. The Hamilton fan club at Sky cannot handle that.

[nani_s23]

Do you think the criticism against Ferrari is justified?

Vettel: "There is always criticism where the performance does not match the expectations and I think that is what we all have to face. I have been through this a lot too."

[superwonderboy]

I totally understand under the current circumstances that ferrari may not win any races this season, but unfortunately the ability to compete is gone, not winning but just to compete making it difficult for our competitors. It's heart breaking and very painful to see ferrari where they are at the moment. We will continue believing in our team to rise up from this situation and once again claim the top step of the poduim like we did so for many years before. FORZA FERRARI!

[jgonzalesm6]

The team has red tape on their right shoulders, which sponsors are they covering up? Why?

Their sponsor WAI-CHEI dropped Ferrari before the 1st race of 2020....hence the red tape on their right shoulder.

[nani_s23]

Binotto about the TP role now: Certainly the job is difficult. Certainly when you are not doing well as we are now. You've got a lot of pressure from the outside mainly. But we are also putting pressure on ourselves because we know what is our objectives certainly as Ferrari.It's been 25 years that I am in F1. It's not the first time we had difficult seasons in Ferrari so I remember how difficult it is, so when I moved to this job I was certainly expecting difficult times.More important in those times, you need to keep stability, to remain focused, making sure that even as a team if there is something to be addressed you are making the right decision and move forward for something better.

Seb is fast. He is our champion, he is a 4-time world champion. He knows how to win. He is a leader in the team. I think he has plenty of right attitudes. He is a talented driver. No doubt Seb can fit in whatever team, hopefully he will find his position in the future.

We were doing developments (power unit) for this season that we are not able to introduce during this season because we had a long shutdown period before the start of the season which has not been the case for all the power unit manufacturers btw. We will try to develop as much as we can by the start of next season that's one point. On the other side, I think there are still areas in the regulation that needs to be clarified so that in the future we all got the same understanding.

[jgonzalesm6]

Wts the weekend weather prediction?


Wet tomorrow morning....we should be dry for quali and the race Sunday.

[nani_s23]

Wet tomorrow morning....we should be dry for quali and the race Sunday.

Thanks :thumb

[ferrari1.8t]

Their sponsor WAI-CHEI dropped Ferrari before the 1st race of 2020....hence the red tape on their right shoulder.

All the money in the world and they can’t make new shirts? First Vettel is too expensive for us and now we can’t afford to print new team gear. :Hmm

[tifosi1993]

Since it's a high downforce track, maybe this will help us a bit. Seeing the onboard, the car doesn't look hard to drive, it looks well balanced.

[jgonzalesm6]

All the money in the world and they can’t make new shirts? First Vettel is too expensive for us and now we can’t afford to print new team gear. :Hmm

In Ferrari's defence, the sponsor drop was "all of a sudden" and with just 10 races on the calender (so far), it's "cost effective" to put red tape on the sleeves instead of making a whole new run of apparel.

I would'nt be surprised if they taped up the logo on the cars.....the first 2 races yes....not sure about Hungary.

[jgonzalesm6]

Since it's a high downforce track, maybe this will help us a bit. Seeing the onboard, the car doesn't look hard to drive, it looks well balanced.

Another progression track....like Monaco but not as narrow.......so qualifying will be super important. If you get tire strats right, should be an easy win for P1 qualifying.

[chinmay]

From Racing Point to Ferrari, the gap should be just a few tenths if I am not wrong. With Vettel and Leclerc at the helm and on the basis of Vettel's comments last week that car feels a lot better, both of them may be able to qualify in top 8. Tough ask but I think there is a chance.

[WS6TransAm01]

Their sponsor WAI-CHEI dropped Ferrari before the 1st race of 2020....hence the red tape on their right shoulder.


All the money in the world and they can’t make new shirts? First Vettel is too expensive for us and now we can’t afford to print new team gear. :Hmm

I guess they spent all the money of those fancy, useless masks...

[wisepie]

Binotto about the TP role now: Certainly the job is difficult. Certainly when you are not doing well as we are now. You've got a lot of pressure from the outside mainly. But we are also putting pressure on ourselves because we know what is our objectives certainly as Ferrari.It's been 25 years that I am in F1. It's not the first time we had difficult seasons in Ferrari so I remember how difficult it is, so when I moved to this job I was certainly expecting difficult times.More important in those times, you need to keep stability, to remain focused, making sure that even as a team if there is something to be addressed you are making the right decision and move forward for something better.

Seb is fast. He is our champion, he is a 4-time world champion. He knows how to win. He is a leader in the team. I think he has plenty of right attitudes. He is a talented driver. No doubt Seb can fit in whatever team, hopefully he will find his position in the future.

We were doing developments (power unit) for this season that we are not able to introduce during this season because we had a long shutdown period before the start of the season which has not been the case for all the power unit manufacturers btw. We will try to develop as much as we can by the start of next season that's one point. On the other side, I think there are still areas in the regulation that needs to be clarified so that in the future we all got the same understanding.

That last paragraph sums up Ferrari's main problem this season and next, if Binotto is maintaining that other engine suppliers were able to work on their ICE power units during lockdown, and Italy having an earlier and longer lockdown than other countries, then surely the FIA should make allowances accordingly. Binotto should be challenging this unfair advantage with the backing of Camilleri and Elkann.:furious

[paolo lalli]

Racing point is a mercedes copy end of story.From the basement to the pent house in the blink of an eye.Lance stroll and Toto are the puppeteers behind this.The two amigo have a plan hatched.They are simply looking after there Aston Martin investment.I expect more mercedes intellectual property to be transferred on secretly.Looks like an Aston Martin gate to me.Racing point is not the big picture in the long term but is a test mule that so far is providing solid results and feed back to the money man Mr lance stroll The FIA are blind to this or they choose to be why.? Smells like a Mercedes Ross Brawn story all over again this time the lead actor is lance stroll.The mailman is being played by totto wolf.

[Ferrarichamp]

so I just checked the results, and Seb was fastest in FP2, which I find surprising despite the conditions.

[paolo lalli]

Blame the Italian government.The UK was not as strict on the lock down measures implemented.Italy was a hard lockdown including the factory at maranallo Ferrari lost 3 months of pu development work.So there Lewis Hamilton all lives matter. The italian govt did the right thing the bigger picture is bigger than ferrari f1 regardless.There could well be some dispensation coming Ferrari way because they have been effected because of covid.As you are all aware most teams are based in the UK and results currently are high lighting this.Ferrari on the back foot as a result.

[Tony]

Blame the Italian government.The UK was not as strict on the lock down measures implemented.Italy was a hard lockdown including the factory at maranallo Ferrari lost 3 months of pu development work.So there Lewis Hamilton all lives matter. The italian govt did the right thing the bigger picture is bigger than ferrari f1 regardless.There could well be some dispensation coming Ferrari way because they have been effected because of covid.As you are all aware most teams are based in the UK and results currently are high lighting this.Ferrari on the back foot as a result.

I don't think putting a sport ahead of the livelihood of its people would have been the right thing to do. When the pandemic hit Italy, it hit them hard, there were older people being taken off respirators and left to die because they didn't have enough equipment and they had younger patients coming in... it was quite a horrible thing, they did the right thing.... on the other hand, Ferrari accepting a 2 year engine freeze, that was just the wrong decision... not certain why they agreed to this other than the engine fiasco last year...

[nani_s23]

Vettel : “Here the performance seems to be better in dry conditions than in Austria. But it is no secret that there is still a lot of work ahead of us and we still have a lot of catching up to do. But I think we should be more competitive here. I am looking forward to tomorrow.Today was a better day for us. I think you can say that. It seems we are a bit better at this track. In the rain we drove a bit longer today because of the weakness we had last weekend. We don't know the weather for tomorrow but we are prepared.

[nani_s23]

That last paragraph sums up Ferrari's main problem this season and next, if Binotto is maintaining that other engine suppliers were able to work on their ICE power units during lockdown, and Italy having an earlier and longer lockdown than other countries, then surely the FIA should make allowances accordingly. Binotto should be challenging this unfair advantage with the backing of Camilleri and Elkann.:furious

I don’t get his statement. Lockdown was imposed in March? By that time engine/chassis were designed & we had winter testing completed. Also it was not during the lockdown that Ferrari/Binotto agreed with FIA “for the good of sport”???

Completely throwing everything on corona crisis isn’t good. It’s just Binotto & his team got caught Sleeping while others were trying something.

But I respect the maranello staff that they are giving their hard now to bring upgrades to the car. I just salute to them for their day & night work. That’s it.

[Silent Bob]

I don’t get his statement. Lockdown was imposed in March? By that time engine/chassis were designed & we had winter testing completed. Also it was not during the lockdown that Ferrari/Binotto agreed with FIA “for the good of sport”???

Completely throwing everything on corona crisis isn’t good. It’s just Binotto & his team got caught Sleeping while others were trying something.

But I respect the maranello staff that they are giving their hard now to bring upgrades to the car. I just salute to them for their day & night work. That’s it.



Well he did say they had upgrades for the PU that they couldn't implement because of the shut down and he's wondering how the other teams were able to develop so much. remember.. all teams were supposed to shut down, this was supposed to be the summer break during the lockdown so there shouldn't have been so much development.

[Cavallino]

Well he did say they had upgrades for the PU that they couldn't implement because of the shut down and he's wondering how the other teams were able to develop so much. remember.. all teams were supposed to shut down, this was supposed to be the summer break during the lockdown so there shouldn't have been so much development.

It's fishy.

[nani_s23]

Well he did say they had upgrades for the PU that they couldn't implement because of the shut down and he's wondering how the other teams were able to develop so much. remember.. all teams were supposed to shut down, this was supposed to be the summer break during the lockdown so there shouldn't have been so much development.

1) Did Mercs bring any news parts in last 2 events, i literally see its same car which they had done during winter testing
2) At the time of winter testing itself it was evident that we are slow. Mattia was also saying, we are slow & understand why this at the time of testing.
3) Assume that they had upgrades for PU which they couldn’t implement due to shut down (March). But now they can implement it right ? There’s no lockdown now.

Correct me if I’m missing anything.

As per my understanding Engine clampdown with FIA done before Winter testing itself. So it hit us hard & it was evident in testing. Ok done.
Coming to Aero work, yes due to pandemic heavy crisis in Italy they did shutdown. But it was the same situation everywhere although it’s a matter of more or less. Did other teams stop working?
This is the other reason why ferrari needs to set up another base away Italy. :-)

Whenever economic crisis/Health emergency arises in Italy, only ferrari team should suffer where other teams take advantage of it? It shouldn’t be the case.

[Cavallino]

1) Did Mercs bring any news parts in last 2 events, i literally see its same car which they had done during winter testing
2) At the time of winter testing itself it was evident that we are slow. Mattia was also saying, we are slow & understand why this at the time of testing.
3) Assume that they had upgrades for PU which they couldn’t implement due to shut down (March). But now they can implement it right ? There’s no lockdown now.

Correct me if I’m missing anything.

As per my understanding Engine clampdown with FIA done before Winter testing itself. So it hit us hard & it was evident in testing. Ok done.
Coming to Aero work, yes due to pandemic heavy crisis in Italy they did shutdown. But it was the same situation everywhere although it’s a matter of more or less. Did other teams stop working?
This is the other reason why ferrari needs to set up another base away Italy. :-)

Whenever economic crisis/Health emergency arises in Italy, only ferrari team should suffer where other teams take advantage of it? It shouldn’t be the case.

We can't. We agreed to an in season engine spec freeze "for the good of the sport".

[Silent Bob]

1) Did Mercs bring any news parts in last 2 events, i literally see its same car which they had done during winter testing
2) At the time of winter testing itself it was evident that we are slow. Mattia was also saying, we are slow & understand why this at the time of testing.
3) Assume that they had upgrades for PU which they couldn’t implement due to shut down (March). But now they can implement it right ? There’s no lockdown now.

Correct me if I’m missing anything.

As per my understanding Engine clampdown with FIA done before Winter testing itself. So it hit us hard & it was evident in testing. Ok done.
Coming to Aero work, yes due to pandemic heavy crisis in Italy they did shutdown. But it was the same situation everywhere although it’s a matter of more or less. Did other teams stop working?
This is the other reason why ferrari needs to set up another base away Italy. :-)

Whenever economic crisis/Health emergency arises in Italy, only ferrari team should suffer where other teams take advantage of it? It shouldn’t be the case.



Both Merc and Honda & Red Bull brought substantial upgrades to their cars and/or engines. Just Ferrar & Renault didn't. Engines are frozen as of the first race and only have 2 tokens to use for upgrade and then frozen for next year.

[Redfive]

That’s because they need to protect Merc and their baby Hamilton at all costs. If RP is guilty, that would mean cooperation from Merc and make them guilty as well. The Hamilton fan club at Sky cannot handle that.

This is true^ SkyF1 are very biased indeed (and so are some forums, included the one I closed my account at before signing up here!)

[330 p4]

Ferrari were locked down for longer. In light of all that's happened Ferrari should get the chance to update the engine for the extra lockdown time they endured. They need to push this as the Limey based teams got an advantage. Also need to employ someone like Cowel from the Nazi Taxis to expose their cheating smoking engines. Merc shun bad publicity hence ditching McLaren 1st chance after spygate. The Krauts are all front, once you can break their front they will flake. Any bad press for the Nazis they will leave F1, maybe time to drag them into some dirt so they leave?

[Cavallino]

Ferrari were locked down for longer. In light of all that's happened Ferrari should get the chance to update the engine for the extra lockdown time they endured. They need to push this as the Limey based teams got an advantage. Also need to employ someone like Cowel from the Nazi Taxis to expose their cheating smoking engines. Merc shun bad publicity hence ditching McLaren 1st chance after spygate. The Krauts are all front, once you can break their front they will flake. Any bad press for the Nazis they will leave F1, maybe time to drag them into some dirt so they leave?

I agree, if everyone really cared about "the show", and "the good of the sport", they would do exactly that, because a more competitive Ferrari acheives both those things, but it isn't about those things now is it.

[WS6TransAm01]

Ferrari were locked down for longer. In light of all that's happened Ferrari should get the chance to update the engine for the extra lockdown time they endured. They need to push this as the Limey based teams got an advantage. Also need to employ someone like Cowel from the Nazi Taxis to expose their cheating smoking engines. Merc shun bad publicity hence ditching McLaren 1st chance after spygate. The Krauts are all front, once you can break their front they will flake. Any bad press for the Nazis they will leave F1, maybe time to drag them into some dirt so they leave?

I love this guy.

Everything else is good except Ferrari shouldn’t get any special dispensation, they just shouldn’t have shut down and they should t have agreed to the engine freeze. Reap what you sow. They have crap leadership which is forcing the team to eat a turd sandwich. Chow down boys.

What someone needs to explain to me is; how is having Ferrari run around in the midfield or lower “good for the sport”?

[Tony]

I love this guy.

Everything else is good except Ferrari shouldn’t get any special dispensation, they just shouldn’t have shut down and they should t have agreed to the engine freeze. Reap what you sow. They have crap leadership which is forcing the team to eat a turd sandwich. Chow down boys.

What someone needs to explain to me is; how is having Ferrari run around in the midfield or lower “good for the sport”?

This sport is political, it always has been... what I want to know is what is Mercedes doing for this sport that permits them to keep this advantage when it was deemed bad for the sport when Ferrari was doing it...

I guess the German + British viewership tandem outweighs the Italian/German viewership benefits... but that's too simplistic... I'd really like to know what's going on behind the scenes....

[nani_s23]

Vettel: "I was hoping to take some championships away from Lewis so that Michael's record stands a bit longer."Ferrari has always been a dream of mine. I don't wanna say I was brainwashed, but obviously massively inspired by my childhood, by Michael in the red car. I think it is a fascinating brand.

[nani_s23]

https://youtu.be/jWkZm7rkVB0

Lec pole lap 2019 vs Lec Austria Q lap 2020, difference is -0.9.

[Ferrarichamp]

I guess they spent all the money of those fancy, useless masks...

on that note, I found this little article quite interesting.

https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/

[jgonzalesm6]

Track is damp this morning.....chance of rain for FP3 and quali

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdMVtIPWkAAHPYb?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdMXF60XoAAcf85?format=jpg&name=large

[stefa]

Brought to you by the people who believe vaccines are evil.

Great! New topic to spread "discussion" in Ferrari F1 forum :-!

[jgonzalesm6]

Track is dry currently....rain clouds looming overhead.

[nani_s23]

FP3 currently dry track.... might rain at any moment.

[killer]

Great! New topic to spread "discussion" in Ferrari F1 forum :-!

Agreed. I will take it down. Enough idiocy to keep everyone happy. Cr*pping on everything else is OK, no?

[nani_s23]

Lot of blue smoke coming out from that mercs...!!:Hmm

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes cars burning oil every now and then.

[458 Italia]

This sport is political, it always has been... what I want to know is what is Mercedes doing for this sport that permits them to keep this advantage when it was deemed bad for the sport when Ferrari was doing it...

I guess the German + British viewership tandem outweighs the Italian/German viewership benefits... but that's too simplistic... I'd really like to know what's going on behind the scenes....

Like someone had said previously maybe they fund road safety initiatives or something and maybe Merc decided to do a tyre deal with Pirelli for their road cars and that's why they've always got preferential treatment from them in F1?

I also find it really weird that other teams are having to protest as much as they are e.g. hamilton wouldn't have got a grid place penalty in Austria without a protest. Same with this break duct thing the FIA should be doing these checks themselves.

[nani_s23]

Wow lot of blue smoke from Ham’s car too

[nani_s23]

Mercedes cars burning oil every now and then.

Yes it seems like that. It’s from both cars

[458 Italia]

Wow lot of blue smoke from Ham’s car too

Ssshhhhhhh nothing to see here.

:roll

[killer]

This sport is political, it always has been... what I want to know is what is Mercedes doing for this sport that permits them to keep this advantage when it was deemed bad for the sport when Ferrari was doing it...

I guess the German + British viewership tandem outweighs the Italian/German viewership benefits... but that's too simplistic... I'd really like to know what's going on behind the scenes....

I would say follow the money but what’s to follow this year? Tempting to consider just a general castration of Ferrari to get rid of the guaranteed payments. Well then it’s THAT money, I suppose.

[killer]

Ssshhhhhhh nothing to see here.

:roll

As the Sky crew mighy say, “surely Mercedes won’t be daft enough to burn oil when that’s been declared illegal?”

[458 Italia]

As the Sky crew mighy say, “surely Mercedes won’t be daft enough to burn oil when that’s been declared illegal?”

They can do what they like with impunity it seems.

[nani_s23]

Isn’t Horner or Marko finding any kind of juice smell now????

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc vs Vettel (sectors)

Sector 1: Lec (28.152), Vet (28.278)

Sector 2: Lec (27.011), Vet (26.991)

Sector 3: Lec (21.667), Vet (21.949)

[PURE PASSION]

For a while, we looked like we could do something good here, but now its starts to fade.....!!!!!

[nani_s23]

For a while, we looked like we could do something good here, but now its starts to fade.....!!!!!

Don’t expect such things...!! Performance will be the same at every track. When car is wrong.

[PURE PASSION]

Don’t expect such things...!! Performance will be the same at every track. When car is wrong.

Sometimes when there is such difference in track characteristics, you have a small hope that you could see something better.
But yeh it looks like we are bad everywhere!!!!!!!

[Rishu]

Bottas didn’t lift at turn 11? That’s crazy

[tifosi1993]

Russell is showing much powerful that Mercedes engine really is, and his talent as well.

[330 p4]

Looking quite good today all things considered.

[nani_s23]

Bottas didn’t lift at turn 11? That’s crazy

Merc is mighty

[nani_s23]

Hope this is quali standings... we could see max vs Lec :-D

[nani_s23]

:rotfl it’s 4 Mercs cars vs rest of the grid

[killer]

So Racing Point have, over the winter break and through a pandemic, leap-frogged Renault, McLaren, Red Bull, and Ferrari and all is squeaky peaches? Even Brawn GP had the double diffuser.

[PURE PASSION]

Very good lap from Lec with mighty S3 !!!!!
Dont know if it's down to cars performance or just a super lap fron Lec (so he probably cant easily repeat such performance)

[nani_s23]

Very good lap from Lec with mighty S3 !!!!!
Dont know if it's down to cars performance or just a super lap fron Lec (so he probably cant easily repeat such performance)

Hope it’s not 1 mighty lap

[chinmay]

Both Vettel and Leclerc were neck to neck till the start of Sector 3 then for some reason Vettel lost half a second in last sector.

[nani_s23]

Both Vettel and Leclerc were neck to neck till the start of Sector 3 then for some reason Vettel lost half a second in last sector.

Vettel took different line in S3 compared to Lec. It was strange.
Anyways we had good S3

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes vs Perez vs Ferrari vs Verstappen

Sector 1:
Perez 27.454
Verstappen 27.492
Hamilton 27.633
Bottas 27.636
Leclerc 27.743
Vettel 27.854

Sector 2:
Hamilton 26.310
Bottas 26.393
Vettel 26.587
Perez 26.647
Leclerc 26.688
Verstappen 26.885

Sector 3:

Leclerc 21.343
Bottas 21.346
Hamilton 21.427
Perez 21.497
Verstappen 21.510
Vettel 21.910

[PURE PASSION]

So Racing Point have, over the winter break and through a pandemic, leap-frogged Renault, McLaren, Red Bull, and Ferrari and all is squeaky peaches? Even Brawn GP had the double diffuser.

Yeh exactly. It looks exactly the same as last years Merc ,it has the same performance as last years Merc and they want to tell us that they designed the car themselves from just some pictures they have taken from last year !!!!?????!!!!!!!!!
This is a total joke!!!!!!!!

[KimiBot]

Merc is mighty

Yeah.

[nani_s23]

Bottas-merc Not lifting at turn 11 :roll shows how dominant car is

[KimiBot]

Yeah, Only Charles between those Mercs, 4 of 5 first Mercs.
Think about that, Force India Stroll, Seb only 0. 3-4 slower. :-E

[330 p4]

Merc is mighty


Yeh exactly. It looks exactly the same as last years Merc ,it has the same performance as last years Merc and they want to tell us that they designed the car themselves from just some pictures they have taken from last year !!!!?????!!!!!!!!!
This is a total joke!!!!!!!!

If Racing point can copy from photos others can, not to race following year but as a base point to bridge the gap to Merc, have ready in CFD early as a base point and develop from there. If Ferrari turned up with a developed 2019 Merc clone Merc would be spitting fire and protesting like hell. Thing is it cannot be done because Racing Point and Merc have cheated by swapping the designs. Loads of teams would have done this if it was viable to copy a dominant car from photos. As for all the Smoke from Merc engines surely teams are looking at this and finding an angle to protest Merc. Merc do not want to be dragged into bad publicity so successful or not it would be great to drag the Merc name down onto controversy.

[tifosi1993]

Yeh exactly. It looks exactly the same as last years Merc ,it has the same performance as last years Merc and they want to tell us that they designed the car themselves from just some pictures they have taken from last year !!!!?????!!!!!!!!!
This is a total joke!!!!!!!!

It's last years Mercedes. I don't think anybody is buying their "we designed it by looking at the pictures" bs anymore, they got direct access to Mercedes's drawing and wind tunnel data.

It's time for Ferrari and Red Bull to lodge a protest as well.

[Ferrarichamp]

why didn't Ferrari, RB and Reno issue a joint protest to begin with?

[chinmay]

Christian Horner: Did they even take your name off now (off the jacket)?
Seb: Yeah Smiling face with open mouth and tightly-closed eyes
Christian Horner: That's a bit harsh!
Are you alright?
Seb: Yeah.

[tifosi1993]

"The Scuderia. Net", Not "Vettel-lovefest. Net". Take your Vettel-Horner-Red Bull love triangle elsewhere.

[chinmay]

Reports are coming in that a big upgrade for Ferrari is coming in Silverstone and it will take inspiration from Red Bull.


Ferrari is going to put those radiators and heat exchangers in a different place in the car. These will be a lot higher, to the concept of Red Bull Racing. The elements will be placed above the engine block to create more aerodynamic possibilities on the sides of the car. The airflow of the current Ferrari does not run well to the rear, because the radiators and heat exchangers are on the sides of the car.

[WS6TransAm01]

This sport is political, it always has been... what I want to know is what is Mercedes doing for this sport that permits them to keep this advantage when it was deemed bad for the sport when Ferrari was doing it...

I guess the German + British viewership tandem outweighs the Italian/German viewership benefits... but that's too simplistic... I'd really like to know what's going on behind the scenes....

I think it’s as simple as leadership. Leadership which is willing to fight tooth and nail for your team vs leadership which cuts tail and runs.


on that note, I found this little article quite interesting.

https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/

What gets me the most about the mark crowd is; if your mask works, why do I need to wear one?

[Stormsearcher]

Lec 4th in FP3... thats not too bad. Maybe this race isnt lost completely.
Plus FP2 seb was 1st in wet conditions. So hoping we can salvage something from this race.

But the grid looks like it will be mixed. which should add to the fun.

[330 p4]

Reports are coming in that a big upgrade for Ferrari is coming in Silverstone and it will take inspiration from Red Bull.

Inspiration from a team that is showing balance issues and not taking inspiration from Merc who are at least half a second down the road from Red Bull. This year looks like one of Neweys off years, it's the curse of which stands in front of Merc as the main challenger, things just seem to not gel. If Racing Point really copied the Merc without Merc input would Ferrari not do the same but not build the car but develop the CAD copy? It's not an option I guess as most appreciate Merc gave them the design.

[FerrariF60]

Yeh exactly. It looks exactly the same as last years Merc ,it has the same performance as last years Merc and they want to tell us that they designed the car themselves from just some pictures they have taken from last year !!!!?????!!!!!!!!!
This is a total joke!!!!!!!!

No mate, that IS the 2019 Merc just painted pink
Merc were probably scared that Ferrari would build a good car for 2020 and decided to give the Pink panther their 2019 Merc car in order to have a cushion over us just in case we would have built a good car......little did they know that we can’t build crap as of late.....oh well looking forward to 2022 when rules will change

[Christopher]

90% Chance of Rain

[Lesky]

Good lord, half the internet thinks Ferrari actually have removed Vettels nameplate from his jacket to bully him....it was clearly a joke.

Video: https://twitter.com/FiftyBucksss/status/1284444389209710593

[458 Italia]

Are the merc motors still smoking on qualifying?

[jgonzalesm6]

Are the merc motors still smoking on qualifying?

Not yet.....

[nani_s23]

Not yet.....

Yes they are

[nani_s23]

It’s very tight between McLaren/Renault/Ferrari/RB/Alfa

[nani_s23]

First 4 are Mercs cars...!!
Rest of the field it’s pretty tight

[tifosi1993]

Max Speed:

Stroll 311
Perez 309
Verstappen 309
Hamilton 304
Bottas 304


Leclerc 303
Vettel 302

[Christopher]

Albon is in trouble. RedBull are nowhere in the dry. They might even get out qualified by us!

[tifosi1993]

Russell P3!

[Rishu]

Vettel needs a lap

[tifosi1993]

Poor middle sector from Lec. But both Ferrari's are safe

[Redfive]

Merc clones 1-2.

[Rishu]

RedBull struggling, we need to make most of this weekend

[nani_s23]

Vettel lock up in turn 1

[Christopher]

Vettel got lucky there not to destroy his lap at turn 1.

[nani_s23]

Holly molly we are safe huhhhhh it was nervous Q1 already

[tifosi1993]

Vettel lock up in turn 1

You are 3 minutes late

[nani_s23]

Williams :roll

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari engine is a joke.

[nani_s23]

You are 3 minutes late

Hmmm yeah it was like nail biting last 3-5minutes. Thought ferrari were sitting ducks

[tifosi1993]

We are losing 5 tenths in sector 1 to RP, 4 tenths in sector 2 to Mercedes, time in sector 3 is competitive.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari engine is a joke.

Everything is a joke. Our cornering speed is good, which is saving us might be on this track. Let’s see

[phsyklone]

Vettel flat out at turn 11 like bottas in FP3. WOW!!!! looks like we have downforce

[nani_s23]

We are losing 5 tenths in sector 1 to RP, 4 tenths in sector 2 to Mercedes, time in sector 3 is competitive.

Yup S3 is pure aero sector.

[nani_s23]

Vettel flat out at turn 11 like bottas in FP3. WOW!!!! looks like we have downforce

I think it’s about getting confidence within the car. We you want you can go flat out.

[gump1480]

Just wondering... with a decent PU we could have challenged Merc 2019.

[nani_s23]

Q2 will be more intense. Tight midfield

[nani_s23]

Just wondering... with a decent PU we could have challenged Merc 2019.

Yup mean Mercs 2019 racing point ? Yes

[nani_s23]

Mercs clone RP on medium tyres.... :roll

[Rishu]

I hope Pink Mercedes beats Black Mercedes, that will teach them a lesson lol

[nani_s23]

Lec :roll

[Christopher]

A second row start is very possible.

[nani_s23]

I hope Pink Mercedes beats Black Mercedes, that will teach them a lesson lol

If such situation arises, then merc will detune engines for RP

[chinmay]

Ferrari and Red Bull got no pace, Racing Point on slower tyres just a touch behind.

[Rishu]

Just wondering... with a decent PU we could have challenged Merc 2019.

Watch out for McLaren next year with Mercedes engine. They will be up there

[Redfive]

I hope Pink Mercedes beats Black Mercedes, that will teach them a lesson lol

Wouldn't happen, they would have to let them pass or lose their engine next year. lol

[nani_s23]

Mercs clone RP are over smart here By going out on Mediums. Thinking they gonna do. But they are 7th & 8th :-D

[nani_s23]

Watch out for McLaren next year with Mercedes engine. They will be up there

Yeah.... if we don’t improve on our engine side then we might be on down slide

[jgonzalesm6]

So the 4 mercs are on medioums.

Renault on mediums.

Everyone else on softs.

[tifosi1993]

I mean...what's the point at turning up to race this year. This car isn't good enough to win races on merit, we are pretty much a midfield team.

It will be better and more productive use of time, if they simply abandon this years colossus failure and focus 100% on improving next years car and engine. No point at turning up to race and get humiliated by RP and rest of the midfield team.

[gump1480]

Whats going on with Lec !! 0.5 s down on Vettel.

[nani_s23]

Sad to see all ferrari powered cars are out in Q1

[tifosi1993]

Whats going on with Lec !! 0.5 s down on Vettel.

His sector 2 was terrible, 27.031 compared to Vettels 26.513. He needs to get that sector right.

[nani_s23]

Why they don’t send Lec out soon to give him clean track

[PURE PASSION]

Sad to see all ferrari powered cars are out in Q1
It's not like we just lost the edge from last year, it's like our whole pu was illegal and we forced to build a new one in a hurry !!!

[Redfive]

I'm not an engineer but can someone please explain (simply) how our engine can be so strong last year and so slow this? I thought they didn't change?

[tifosi1993]

Albon out of Q2. Wonder how long he will last in that team.

[Rishu]

Albon doing not good enough

[nani_s23]

Good job by our drivers :clap... we should get on top of RB-Vers here.

[nani_s23]

I hope I finally can see Lec vs max in this race.

[PURE PASSION]

Good job by our drivers :clap... we should get on top of RB-Vers here.

But still behind Barbies and who knows probably behind a McLaren. So again we will end up 5 to 8,9

[Rishu]

Albon really messed up his lap and criticizing the team

[tifosi1993]

Q2 Sectors (Mercedes vs Ferrari)

Sector 1:

Hamilton 27.194
Bottas 27.281
Leclerc 27.389
Vettel 27.443

Sector 2:

Hamilton 25.887
Bottas 27.985
Leclerc 26.425
Vettel 26.490 (abandoned lap)

Sector 3:

Hamilton 20.831
Bottas 20.928
Leclerc 21.129
Vettel 21.175

Such a hopeless car and engine....

[nani_s23]

But still behind Barbies and who knows probably behind a McLaren. So again we will end up 5 to 8,9

Hmm yeah understand.... but that how it is Mercs show. Next year McLaren joins with them. Just they are getting stronger & stronger

[jgonzalesm6]

Albon really messed up his lap and criticizing the team


He feels the pressure from Max. Throwing his team under the bus for sending him in traffic.

[F2008]

Both cars in Q3, fantastico!

[chinmay]

Albon really messed up his lap and criticizing the team

Team should get used to it, after all they are keeping him till the end of 2021.

[nani_s23]

He feels the pressure from Max. Throwing his team under the bus for sending him in traffic.

Yup

[tifosi1993]

He feels the pressure from Max. Throwing his team under the bus for sending him in traffic.

But everyone had traffic since 12 cars were on track. Albon just isn't good enough and that Red Bull is a hard car to drive. Only Max can get the best out of it, but that's not unexpected.

[nani_s23]

First 4 positions will be Mercs cars ... only 5th-10th position we are fighting for.

[jgonzalesm6]

But everyone had traffic since 12 cars were on track. Albon just isn't good enough and that Red Bull is a hard car to drive. Only Max can get the best out of it, but that's not unexpected.

agreed.

[tifosi1993]

A 1m13 from Mercedes, they are taking the **** over rest of the grid

[Peter De La Mar]

Blimey, nearly 2 seconds behind for run 1.

[Rishu]

13.6, just wow

[nani_s23]

I think we are on used tyres....

[PURE PASSION]

I think we are on used tyres....

Is it confirmed???

[Peter De La Mar]

Yes, used tyres. New for this run coming up.

[nani_s23]

Every others engine turned Into party mode

[jgonzalesm6]

A 1m13 from Mercedes, they are taking the **** over rest of the grid


13.6, just wow

Done qualifying.....park the cars.

[chinmay]

What kind of timing is this? So early

[nani_s23]

Is it confirmed???

Yes

[tifosi1993]

13.6, just wow

They are on another planet. Just look at their sectors:

Hamilton 26.934 25.851 20.828
Bottas 27.156 25.852 20.916

And this is us:

Vettel 27.504 26.542 21.175
Leclerc 27.495 26.425 21.313

[DJTaurus]

Stroll faster than Ver.....ok!

[nani_s23]

We are loosing 1sec alone in S1 & S2

[tifosi1993]

Done qualifying.....park the cars.

I'd say, park that piece of **** for rest of the year.

[alfaromeo]

Mercedes is from space, from another world. The engine form Ferrari is to underpowered against Mercedes

[jgonzalesm6]

4 Mercs lock out the first 2 rows.

[nani_s23]

Good job by our drivers locked 3rd row. :clap

[458 Italia]

This is ridiculous. Why do we even bother anymore. :roll

[Redfive]

Merc 1-4, there is no way the Merc clones will attack the Mercs. This could possibly be one of the most boring races in decades.

[nani_s23]

4 Mercs lock out the first 2 rows.

I feel there’s a big protest coming soon

[alfaromeo]

Ferrari with new upgrades in British gp can fight with racing point and Red Bull but Mercedes is far ahead.... Engine rules are killing us.

[KimiBot]

:Cube

[WS6TransAm01]

1.3 seconds down. Good job Ferrari!

For the good of the sport? Right?

[tifosi1993]

Qualifying the best sectors: (Mercedes vs RP vs Ferrari vs Verstappen)

Sector 1:
Hamilton 26.934
Bottas 26.975
Stroll 27.119
Perez 27.124
Verstappen 27.262
Leclerc 27.389
Vettel 27.443


Sector 2:
Hamilton 27.758
Bottas 27.825
Stroll 26.103
Perez 26.143
Leclerc 26.245
Vettel 26.288
Verstappen 26.351


Sector 3:
Hamilton 20.731
Bottas 20.754
Vettel 21.014
Leclerc 21.121
Stroll 21.155
Perez 21.187
Verstappen 21.220

[WS6TransAm01]

1.3 seconds down. Good job Ferrari!

For the good of the sport? Right?

[nani_s23]

Seeing stroll on P3 is awful .... we have max/Lec/vettel/Norris/sainz behind his car :roll

[chinmay]

1.3 seconds down. Good job Ferrari!

For the good of the sport? Right?

And this is the highest downforce track on current calendar.

[killer]

Red Bull protest vs. Racing Point in 3... 2...

[DJTaurus]

What happened to Red Bull ?

[Rishu]

Seeing stroll on P3 is awful .... we have max/Lec/vettel/Norris/sainz behind his car :roll

Who says money can’t buy you happiness?

[Vettel165]

Good job Seb. Perez Stroll Seb and Charles together at the start. Potential for a crash.

[patrese86]

There's no way that Mercedes is legal.

[tifosi1993]

Maximum Speed (Qualifying):

Stroll 313
Perez 313
Bottas 312
Albon 312
Verstappen 310
Gasly 309
Hamilton 308
Russell 308
Latifi 308
Ricciardo 307
Kvyat 307
Norris 306
Sainz 306
Magnussen 306
Grosjean 306
Giovinazzi 306
Raikkonen 306
Ocon 305
Leclerc 304
Vettel 303

[nani_s23]

Who says money can’t buy you happiness?

:-D yes. Wonder if we had a good engine. At least 2nd row lockout would have happened.
FYI stroll saying “car is on fire today”:rotfl

[tifosi1993]

What happened to Red Bull ?

Good at overhyping, terrible at delivering

[nani_s23]

New controversy in the paddock. Due to a loophole in the homologation rules Racing Point might be allowed to upgrade next years car with Mercedes 2020 gearbox & suspension without having to spend any tokens.

AMus

[Redfive]

I think sadly at this point Sainz is regretting his decision.

[330 p4]

Merc engines all smoking and all Merc teams have an incredible leap in performance relative to who they are normally battling. This is not a power circuit but the unusual pace increase by ALL Merc teams this weekend? It's so suspicious. Ferrari with their drag issues are not to bad on straights relative to Renautl and Honda teams, chassis must be quite good as S3 2nd only to the Mercs. Looks like Red Bull have a bit of a crisis this weekend.

[Redfive]

Merc engines all smoking and all Merc teams have an incredible leap in performance relative to who they are normally battling. This is not a power circuit but the unusual pace increase by ALL Merc teams this weekend? It's so suspicious. Ferrari with their drag issues are not to bad on straights relative to Renautl and Honda teams, chassis must be quite good as S3 2nd only to the Mercs. Looks like Red Bull have a bit of a crisis this weekend.

Mercedes are allowed to cheat though, don't you know that? They are the FIA's goldenboys

[chinmay]

New controversy in the paddock. Due to a loophole in the homologation rules Racing Point might be allowed to upgrade next years car with Mercedes 2020 gearbox & suspension without having to spend any tokens.

AMus

McLaren getting Mercedes engines next year, they may be looking to sign up too.

[tifosi1993]

Merc engines all smoking and all Merc teams have an incredible leap in performance relative to who they are normally battling. This is not a power circuit but the unusual pace increase by ALL Merc teams this weekend? It's so suspicious. Ferrari with their drag issues are not to bad on straights relative to Renautl and Honda teams, chassis must be quite good as S3 2nd only to the Mercs. Looks like Red Bull have a bit of a crisis this weekend.

Yeah...such a great chassis, "only 3 tenths" away from Mercedes and less than a tenth ahead of RP, while giving away 5 tenths in sector 1 and 2.

If the car was neck-neck with Mercedes in sector 2 and 3, then sure, we could say that Ferrari produced a great chassis. But that's CLEARLY not the case.

[ferrari1.8t]

Merc engines all smoking and all Merc teams have an incredible leap in performance relative to who they are normally battling. This is not a power circuit but the unusual pace increase by ALL Merc teams this weekend? It's so suspicious. Ferrari with their drag issues are not to bad on straights relative to Renautl and Honda teams, chassis must be quite good as S3 2nd only to the Mercs. Looks like Red Bull have a bit of a crisis this weekend.

The FIA gave them our secrets, and then told us we aren’t allowed to use our engine? What a joke to be that far ahead.

[KimiBot]

Stroll and Perez are no rookies, so Seb and Charles has mission impossible tomorrow, so P5 and P6 is best what we can get.

[patrese86]

You see Mercedes now creating a monopoly over Formula one. Next year you get McLaren with Mercedes engine, probably get a few drawings from them. So eventually you have one engine supplier ie mercedes.

[nani_s23]

Merc engines all smoking and all Merc teams have an incredible leap in performance relative to who they are normally battling. This is not a power circuit but the unusual pace increase by ALL Merc teams this weekend? It's so suspicious. Ferrari with their drag issues are not to bad on straights relative to Renautl and Honda teams, chassis must be quite good as S3 2nd only to the Mercs. Looks like Red Bull have a bit of a crisis this weekend.

:roll ferrari car has got avg aero with worst engine. Drivers are trying to do their best.
If S1 & S2 are killing us here. Then think of silverstone/Monza/ other GP’s where straight line speed is imp.

[TTRSMAD]

This is going to be a frustrating season to watch. Nobody can come close to dethroning Mercedes and Hamilton. All thanks to the FIA and Ferrari incompetence.

Ferrari last year got too greedy pushing the engine loop hole too far and making everybody suspicious. Mercedes knew last year that Ferrari was cheating but could not prove it until the whistleblower came along.

What a disaster for Ferrari fans everywhere.

[WS6TransAm01]

Who says money can’t buy you happiness?

People without money


There's no way that Mercedes is legal.

Just as legal as last year’s Ferrari engine, only difference is clout. We ain’t got any.

[nani_s23]

Stroll and Perez are no rookies, so Seb and Charles has mission impossible tomorrow, so P5 and P6 is best what we can get.

We are starting on S & they on M. Let’s give a try nothing to loose. As overtaking is very tight around here. Need to make everything count. I think if Lec/vettel play smart & understand each other. One of our car can be on podium.

[tifosi1993]

Stroll and Perez are no rookies, so Seb and Charles has mission impossible tomorrow, so P5 and P6 is best what we can get.

Race-pace wise, we can battle with them, since we got better drivers and the Mercedes "party mode" will not be available during the race.

[wappad]

I think our last years engine is in the back of the Mercedes- powered cars now ;-) !

Well done Seb and Charles. In front of the Red Bulls. The Ziggo-Team in the Netherlands is flabbergasted ;-)

Have fun tomorrow forum!

Forza Ferrari :thumb

[WS6TransAm01]

:roll ferrari car has got avg aero with worst engine. Drivers are trying to do their best.
If S1 & S2 are killing us here. Then think of silverstone/Monza/ other GP’s where straight line speed is imp.

Ferrari won’t get into Q3 in Monza.

[tanvirf1]

At last our Ferrari on FRONT ROW!!!!!! (Driven by human made engine)

1-4 position locked by allien made engine

[KimiBot]

Race-pace wise, we can battle with them, since we got better drivers and the Mercedes "party mode" will not be available during the race.

Optimist :-)

[Vettel165]

New controversy in the paddock. Due to a loophole in the homologation rules Racing Point might be allowed to upgrade next years car with Mercedes 2020 gearbox & suspension without having to spend any tokens.

AMus


:roll ferrari car has got avg aero with worst engine. Drivers are trying to do their best.
If S1 & S2 are killing us here. Then think of silverstone/Monza/ other GP’s where straight line speed is imp.

In Monza Spa we will be 2 seconds of Mercedes.

[tanvirf1]

At last our Ferrari on FRONT ROW!!!!!! (Driven by human made engine)

1-4 position locked by allien made engine

[nani_s23]

Vettel after qualifying: It is better than in Austria. The car seemed better balanced and this track is also more suitable for us, having fewer straights. Certainly, however, we still have to improve.

[chinmay]

Ferrari won’t get into Q3 in Monza.

You misspelt Q2.

[PURE PASSION]

I usually dont like to blame others for my mistakes/bad performance and so I do it for the team I love. I dont like to blame Mercs / RedBulls / McLarens etc every time we are not managing to create a winning car. More or less did it this year,but now it looks so but SO suspicious the performance leap for Mercedes and Mercedes powered cars, and on top of that when you see smoke coming from the back of all Merc powered cars, then I also start thinking that ok we did a bad job BUT what the hell are they doing. They cant make SO much progress under the same ryles, with directives on the engines etc !!!!!?????
And forget about us, what about RedBull?????
Last year ,when it started being obvious that we have a top engine, everybody start shouting left and right that we must have done something illegal!!! Even if it was obvious that we had a very efficient car with bad downforce and no drag,they still didnt accept it and keep asking FIA to check our engine!!!!!
WHAT NOW ????

[tifosi1993]

Optimist :-)

Of course. :-)

[nani_s23]

At last our Ferrari on FRONT ROW!!!!!! (Driven by human made engine)

1-4 position locked by allien made engine

:rotfl yeah we can look in that way as well

[nani_s23]

I usually dont like to blame others for my mistakes/bad performance and so I do it for the team I love. I dont like to blame Mercs / RedBulls / McLarens etc every time we are not managing to create a winning car. More or less did it this year,but now it looks so but SO suspicious the performance leap for Mercedes and Mercedes powered cars, and on top of that when you see smoke coming from the back of all Merc powered cars, then I also start thinking that ok we did a bad job BUT what the hell are they doing. They cant make SO much progress under the same ryles, with directives on the engines etc !!!!!?????
And forget about us, what about RedBull?????
Last year ,when it started being obvious that we have a top engine, everybody start shouting left and right that we must have done something illegal!!! Even if it was obvious that we had a very efficient car with bad downforce and no drag,they still didnt accept it and keep asking FIA to check our engine!!!!!
WHAT NOW ????

RB didn’t find the right set up this weekend. So it’s a trouble weekend for them. As their expectations are high.
As far as ferrari we are keeping low & we did well given the car.

[stefa]

1.3 seconds down. Good job Ferrari!

For the good of the sport? Right?

I bet, even with thise difference, Mercedes is just toying with everyone else, mening if they turn their engine 100%, they would lap the entire field!
But as you said, it is god fot the sport! In some very twisted way, it is good they are driving without spectators, as it is so much entertaining! Sarcasm off!

[Ferrarichamp]

I think sadly at this point Sainz is regretting his decision.

why? when was the last time Mclaren won anything?

[chinmay]

why? when was the last time Mclaren won anything?

2012. But next year is when they start winning podiums again.

[tifosi1993]

I'd say this: Luca's "Italianization" project, and Ferrari sticking to it, really giving us the expected results. Ferrari getting what it deserves, when you forced out some immanently talented people, and promote under-qualified people whose main selling points are that "they are from Italy", what else can you expect.

Mercedes is an well oiled machine, they don't have Ferrari-like politics, they don't sack people for it, and they certainly don't undervalue and underappreciate their people. That's why they are at the top, and will remain so.

[WS6TransAm01]

You misspelt Q2.

I think Ferrari can get one driver out of Q1 in Monza if they try real hard.


I bet, even with thise difference, Mercedes is just toying with everyone else, mening if they turn their engine 100%, they would lap the entire field!
But as you said, it is god fot the sport! In some very twisted way, it is good they are driving without spectators, as it is so much entertaining! Sarcasm off!

Just like they did in previous years. As soon as someone got close, then just turned it up a bit more and sailed off into the distance.

If you think by some magic 2022+ will be any different, I doubt it. Not with the current culture at Ferrari.

[bonzo]

Stroll and Perez are no rookies, so Seb and Charles has mission impossible tomorrow, so P5 and P6 is best what we can get.

That is if our drivers don't take each other in the first corner.

[Schumiklub]

I think I’ll skip the race and possibly the rest of the season as well. This is too depressing. Mercedes it way too strong.


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[ferrari1.8t]

Everyone needs to stop complaining about Italians running an Italian team. The real problem is Mercedes and the FIA. No one can get near that rocketship. Isn’t it funny how not one team complains about their dominance? Every one needs to ask themselves why is F1 as a whole is complacent with Mercedes dominance. There are things behind the scenes going on that we will never understand. I refuse to believe that Ferrari and RedBull are willfully sitting back and letting this happen.

[stefa]

I think Ferrari can get one driver out of Q1 in Monza if they try real hard.



Just like they did in previous years. As soon as someone got close, then just turned it up a bit more and sailed off into the distance.

If you think by some magic 2022+ will be any different, I doubt it. Not with the current culture at Ferrari.

I think the interess in this, once called, F1 racing, will juat decline. For example myself, yeara ago I could not image miss even Friday practice. Now I don't bother watching races!

[Ferrarichamp]

Yep, it's not just Ferrari. RB are nowhere either, clearly something is going on.

[Schumiklub]

Everyone needs to stop complaining about Italians running an Italian team. The real problem is Mercedes and the FIA. No one can get near that rocketship. Isn’t it funny how not one team complains about their dominance? Every one needs to ask themselves why is F1 as a whole is complacent with Mercedes dominance. There are things behind the scenes going on that we will never understand. I refuse to believe that Ferrari and RedBull are willfully sitting back and letting this happen.

And remember the early 2000s. FIA did everything to slow down Ferrari to "make the sport more interesting". Now nobody is bothered by this dominance and nothing is happening.


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[killer]

First 7 laps of the F2 Feature Race is already serving more action than I think we’ll see in tomorrow’s Formula Merc GP.

[Hornet]

Not a bad result today, only beaten by the 4 Mercedes cars.
We were the best of the rest. Not exactly winning, but much better than what we went through in Austria

[killer]

And remember the early 2000s. FIA did everything to slow down Ferrari to "make the sport more interesting". Now nobody is bothered by this dominance and nothing is happening.


2000 was the climb to the top, there were challengers in 2001-2002, 2003 was close, and the F2004 was not this ahead of the field but the powers-that-be decided that was too much.

[hakanabi]

I think Ferrari can get one driver out of Q1 in Monza if they try real hard.



Just like they did in previous years. As soon as someone got close, then just turned it up a bit more and sailed off into the distance.

If you think by some magic 2022+ will be any different, I doubt it. Not with the current culture at Ferrari.

I have been saying this for years. In this hybrid engine's area, mercs have been toying with everyone. They have so much in reserve, if someone gets close, they turn the engine up a bit more to get that pole. Honestly, no team can challenge until they get rid of these engines.