F1 British GP Free practice & Qualifying

[nani_s23]

No one did start the thread... so thought this time it’s my turn :-)

Not much expectations, a clean weekend where no spins & crashes from our drivers as they will start little back of the grid. :lol

Forza ferrari

[nani_s23]

Leclerc: “It will be difficult to have victories before 2022”

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2020/7/Charles_Leclerc_admits_it_will_be_%27very_difficul t%27_to_have_victories_before_2022.html

Vettel : “Ferrari’s package hasn’t been strong for years”

https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2020/7/Sebastian_Vettel__Ferrari%27s_%27package_hasn%27t_ been_strong_enough%27_for_years.html

Ferrari braced for difficult F1 British GP

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/940707/1/ferrari-braced-difficult-f1-british-grand-prix

[jgonzalesm6]

Podium finish for Hulk????....possible in these next 2 races.

it's a little over 2 hours until FP1 at time of post??

[nani_s23]

Podium finish for Hulk????....possible in these next 2 races.

it's a little over 2 hours until FP1 at time of post??

:-P May be I was too excited

[Super M]

I think this is gonna be painful weekend for our boys. Actually, don't know if i wanna watch this GP.

Knowing full well that the Mercs are gonna clean up big time, pains the crap out of me!.

I just hope we don't get lapped twice around this track.

Sorry if i'm a bit negative this time round........But i can't see us doing much......maybe we'll beat the renaults.......* Hops so * :-s

[chinmay]

I think this is gonna be painful weekend for our boys. Actually, don't know if i wanna watch this GP.

Knowing full well that the Mercs are gonna clean up big time, pains the crap out of me!.

I just hope we don't get lapped twice around this track.

Sorry if i'm a bit negative this time round........But i can't see us doing much......maybe we'll beat the renaults.......* Hops so * :-s

Ricciardo says Renault is faster than Ferrari.

[chinmay]

The only answer everyone is looking forward to is whether or not Leclerc will qualify within 2 seconds of the fastest Mercedes in qualifying.

[jgonzalesm6]

The only answer everyone is looking forward to is whether or not Leclerc will qualify within 2 seconds of the fastest Mercedes in qualifying.

Which Mercedes.....last years???:-D

[Super M]

Ricciardo says Renault is faster than Ferrari.



So you're saying we're gonna fight Amongst our own teams, Alfa,& Haas............Hmmm, should be entertaining.......NOT:-E

[chinmay]

So you're saying we're gonna fight Amongst our own teams, Alfa,& Haas............Hmmm, should be entertaining.......NOT:-E

Yes, Vettel will be fighting with his old buddy Raikkonen and will get eliminated in Q1 or Q2. Leclerc can probably get into Q3 and fight a Renault or two on race day hopefully.

[KimiBot]

Interesting to see what Hulk can do with fast car.

[Redfive]

Seb out for the rest of FP1 :(

[chinmay]

Problem on Vettel's car. He won't be going out in Practice 1.

[nani_s23]

Good start by our boys

[jgonzalesm6]

Seb out for the rest of FP1 :(


Problem on Vettel's car. He won't be going out in Practice 1.

Intercooler (turbo) problem.

[nani_s23]

Intercooler (turbo) problem.

Somewhere around 1st race I think. Mattia mentioned we have good reliability that’s the reason we finished ahead combined with Lec brilliance.

We neither have good reliability nor good car.

[PURE PASSION]

This is the worst times if ever lived for out beloved team!!!!!!! We are tragically lacking speed ,all over the world people making fun of us ,we have a very unknown/ hopeless future !!!!
We are really living a nightmare and we don't now if we can wake up!!!!!

[Schumiklub]

Not too bad from Charles. But it’s depressing to see both HAAS and Alfa battling with Williams.


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[nani_s23]

This is the worst times if ever lived for out beloved team!!!!!!! We are tragically lacking speed ,all over the world people making fun of us ,we have a very unknown/ hopeless future !!!!
We are really living a nightmare and we don't now if we can wake up!!!!!

Just give ferrari sometime to “understand the car”

[tifosi1993]

Long runs

Hamilton on mediums 1m32.242
Verstappen on softs 1m32.531

[Schumiklub]

Seems we’re losing time in S2 mostly. S1 and S3 look OK from the last few laps I’ve seen.


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[ferrari1.8t]

Long runs

Hamilton on mediums 1m32.242
Verstappen on softs 1m32.531

LOL :rotfl

"BuT hE's ThE GoAt! ItS nOt ThE CaR". Spare me. The next two years will be the darkest in Ferrari's and F1s history IMO.

[tifosi1993]

Fp1 sectors:

Verstappen (27.303--35.716--24.403)

Hamilton (27.660--35.887--24.314)

Stroll (27.760--35.963--24.242)

Albon (27.465--35.820--24.618)

Leclerc (27.683--36.109--24.429)

Bottas (27.716--35.965--24.544)

[tifosi1993]

LOL :rotfl

"BuT hE's ThE GoAt! ItS nOt ThE CaR". Spare me. The next two years will be the darkest in Ferrari's and F1s history IMO.

Hamilton did a 1m31.814 on those mediums, Verstappen's best was 1m32.454. The current Mercedes is F2004 V2.

[nani_s23]

Fp1 sectors:

Verstappen (27.303--35.716--24.403)

Hamilton (27.660--35.887--24.314)

Stroll (27.760--35.963--24.242)

Albon (27.465--35.820--24.618)

Leclerc (27.683--36.109--24.429)

Bottas (27.716--35.965--24.544)

They aren’t turned their engines yet...!! While we don’t have a engine to turn on.

[hakanabi]

They aren’t turned their engines yet...!! While we don’t have a engine to turn on.

Lol

[FerrariF60]

Which Mercedes.....last years???:-D

The pink one....
As mush as it pains me to say it, we’re gonna get lapped at LEAST once...sad but true

[hakanabi]

Just give ferrari sometime to “understand the car”

Now that will take god knows how many years.

[FerrariF60]

Somewhere around 1st race I think. Mattia mentioned we have good reliability that’s the reason we finished ahead combined with Lec brilliance.

We neither have good reliability nor good car.

Thank God we have Lec brilliance....if the other 2 ingredients you mentioned are missing so far

[FerrariF60]

This is the worst times if ever lived for out beloved team!!!!!!! We are tragically lacking speed ,all over the world people making fun of us ,we have a very unknown/ hopeless future !!!!
We are really living a nightmare and we don't now if we can wake up!!!!!


Then surely haven’t live OR watched our beloved team int 80’s.....much of the same thing but with far worse reliability issues

[FerrariF60]

Just give ferrari sometime to “understand the car”

Lol.....hopefully with any luck they’ll understand it by 2022

[FerrariF60]

They aren’t turned their engines yet...!! While we don’t have a engine to turn on.


Like it makes a difference, we have NOTHING to turn up mate....our engine is crap without the magic trick we had in 2019 when we’d burn more fuel in quali to get POLE....

Now we have a FIAT engine....:(

[PURE PASSION]

Then surely haven’t live OR watched our beloved team int 80’s.....much of the same thing but with far worse reliability issues

Yeh 1st I started in mid 80s and it was the 1st years so it wasnt bothers me much and on the other hand that's the bad thing about today's social media ,you talk /read with so many people all over the world and you read SO many negative comments and people calling us cheaters. And it's not like they use to call us in Schumi era,then I had the excuse that they telling us because we are winning everything. Now its totally bad, they have a logical excuse to tell us and we are in a very bad situation performance wise and that also is relevant with their excuse to tell us cheaters!!!!

[FerrariF60]

Yeh 1st I started in mid 80s and it was the 1st years so it wasnt bothers me much and on the other hand that's the bad thing about today's social media ,you talk /read with so many people all over the world and you read SO many negative comments and people calling us cheaters. And it's like they use to call us in Schumi era,then I had the excuse that they telling us because we are winning everything. Now its totally bad, they have a logical excuse to tell us and we are in a very bad situation performance wise and that also is relevant with their excuse to tell us cheaters!!!!

Well people say that we had something clever last year that’s why we had a strong engine and that’s why we beat Merc.....NO, we didn’t....we absolutely tricked the fuel flow sensor so we can use more fuel, hence more power and got a few runs of pole positions.....but the truth of the matter was that we CHEATED, plain and simple....and I’m NOT proud of it as a ferrari supporter and neither should Ferrari be.

That’s why we are suffering so much now and probably had to do a major revamp of our engine and will take some time until we have a strong engine ON MERIT

[RicRac]

Well people say that we had something clever last year that’s why we had a strong engine and that’s why we beat Merc.....NO, we didn’t....we absolutely tricked the fuel flow sensor so we can use more fuel, hence more power and got a few runs of pole positions.....but the truth of the matter was that we CHEATED, plain and simple....and I’m NOT proud of it as a ferrari supporter and neither should Ferrari be.

That’s why we are suffering so much now and probably had to do a major revamp of our engine and will take some time until we have a strong engine ON MERIT

Exactly! Anyone who disagrees with this statement, give me a call I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

[jgonzalesm6]

Low drag rear wing setup for Ferrari.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeQO4-mXgAAJaSe?format=jpg&name=medium

[Super M]

Well people say that we had something clever last year that’s why we had a strong engine and that’s why we beat Merc.....NO, we didn’t....we absolutely tricked the fuel flow sensor so we can use more fuel, hence more power and got a few runs of pole positions.....but the truth of the matter was that we CHEATED, plain and simple....and I’m NOT proud of it as a ferrari supporter and neither should Ferrari be.

That’s why we are suffering so much now and probably had to do a major revamp of our engine and will take some time until we have a strong engine ON MERIT



Wait a second here FerrariF60, saying that we CHEATED is harsh buddy. Please show me where they did.?

Did we exploit a GREY area? Yes we did.......We were investigated, and sure as hell, The FIA imposed an extra fuel flow system to us and others. This is where it hurt us ( clearly )........There's rumors running around that we've been sabotaged and info of our Engine was given to the FIA !! ( Hence the investigation ).........Weather we've been nailed for something like a GREY area, then yeah, cool.........but please don't tell me other teams don't do this ??.......So calling us CHEATS without concrete proof is harsh.

I simply believe that our TP has no balls and doesn't know how to be ruthless in tricky times like this!.............I'll leave you with one question here : How is it that merc can gain speed when all F1 teams were on lock down ??........Why are their engines smoking ?? ( And nobody complains ) :Hmm

[Ojie1214]

Any live streaming guys?

[jgonzalesm6]

Wait a second here FerrariF60, saying that we CHEATED is harsh buddy. Please show me where they did.?

Did we exploit a GREY area? Yes we did.......We were investigated, and sure as hell, The FIA imposed an extra fuel flow system to us and others. This is where it hurt us ( clearly )........There's rumors running around that we've been sabotaged and info of our Engine was given to the FIA !! ( Hence the investigation ).........Weather we've been nailed for something like a GREY area, then yeah, cool.........but please don't tell me other teams don't do this ??.......So calling us CHEATS without concrete proof is harsh.

I simply believe that our TP has no balls and doesn't know how to be ruthless in tricky times like this!.............I'll leave you with one question here : How is it that merc can gain speed when all F1 teams were on lock down ??........Why are their engines smoking ?? ( And nobody complains ) :Hmm

The original fuel flow regulator sampled the flow rate every 2 milliseconds (or so) at fixed timing.
The new second fuel flow regulator performs the same number of samples but at random points in time.

With the original flow regulator, if one had a variable fuel pressure precisely timed so the pressure was higher when the regulator was not looking and was them back down to normal when it was, you could squeeze more fuel through the "regulator". Now, with the second regulator, you can't.

[Ojie1214]

Any live streaming?

[tifosi1993]

Low drag rear wing setup for Ferrari.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeQO4-mXgAAJaSe?format=jpg&name=medium

Yup, that's why we are no longer at the bottom of the speedtrap.

Gio fastest with 319
Leclerc 318
Stroll 318
Gasly 318


Bottas 312
Hamilton 312

[WS6TransAm01]

Vettel should just fly home. There is no point for him to waste his time...

Sad state of affairs.

[Super M]

The original fuel flow regulator sampled the flow rate every 2 milliseconds (or so) at fixed timing.
The new second fuel flow regulator performs the same number of samples but at random points in time.

With the original flow regulator, if one had a variable fuel pressure precisely timed so the pressure was higher when the regulator was not looking and was them back down to normal when it was, you could squeeze more fuel through the "regulator". Now, with the second regulator, you can't.


Thanks for the technical info champ :thumb

Still doesn't tell me that's constituted as CHEATING ? Get what i'm saying ?

I just feel that something sinister went on behind closed doors at Ferrari and some idiot went and ran to the FIA with our engine specs. That to me sound more acceptable than FIA just wanting to investigate us ?

You should ask yourself, Why did the Mercs and Red Bull call for an investigation ?? ( In my honest opinion, Coz they knew someone leaked our engine information out to the FIA and the FIA had no option but to investigate us, That's why.) * Just my thoughts tho *


So you telling me that mercs aren't doing anything funny here either ?

[KimiBot]

Any live streaming?

https://www.totalsportek.com/formula1-hungary/

[jgonzalesm6]

Thanks for the technical info champ :thumb

Still doesn't tell me that's constituted as CHEATING ? Get what i'm saying ?

I just feel that something sinister went on behind closed doors at Ferrari and some idiot went and ran to the FIA with our engine specs. That to me sound more acceptable than FIA just wanting to investigate us ?

You should ask yourself, Why did the Mercs and Red Bull call for an investigation ?? ( In my honest opinion, Coz they knew someone leaked our engine information out to the FIA and the FIA had no option but to investigate us, That's why.) * Just my thoughts tho *


So you telling me that mercs aren't doing anything funny here either ?

yes, I get what your saying. It was a grey area in the loophole. We eventually got caught doing it per an insider job.

Per the smoke regarding the Mercs-->their engines have been doing that for some years now......Racing Point as well. They're not hiding it. IF it was questionable, RedBull as well as the other teams would be all over it??

[Schumiklub]

Long run pace looks horrible.


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[gump1480]

Long run pace looks horrible.


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Any comparative data?

[Schumiklub]

Any comparative data?

It seems to be all over the place. 1:33.3 to 1:34:6. Charles sliding and fighting the car.


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[TTRSMAD]

Long run pace looks horrible.


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They running low downforce affecting low speed grip especially with full tank and soft tires.
I feel bad for Vettel, that not a great way to leave Ferrari.

[crbassassin]

Hamilton's MGU-K is gone. Looks like they are gonna screw him out of the championship again.

[chinmay]

Hamilton's MGU-K is gone. Looks like they are gonna screw him out of the championship again.

lol Hamilton can skip this triple header and still win the title, Bottas is too slow to put up any fight. Bottas is as good (or worse) as Albon.

[SilverSpeed]

Vettel is more and more a one hit wonder.

[gjoko-mkd]

Rb spies on Ferrari....,,screenshot,, from my phone...:rotfl

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50174231042_0b53b6ef7e_h.jpg

[paolo lalli]

So a mercedes cut and paste can compete strongly against a factory Merc.?Copying could well be the future why spend millions developing a bitter lemon.

[stefa]

Rb spies on Ferrari....,,screenshot,, from my phone...:rotfl

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50174231042_0b53b6ef7e_h.jpg

What is there to spy?!?!? :rotfl

[330 p4]

What is there to spy?!?!? :rotfl

Whatever is on the Ferrari......dont make anything similar.

[330 p4]

lol Hamilton can skip this triple header and still win the title, Bottas is too slow to put up any fight. Bottas is as good (or worse) as Albon.

He could kiss Perez *with tongue) get Cov19, annoy everyone with his kneeling crap miss 3 races and still win with races to spare.

[nani_s23]

What is there to spy?!?!? :rotfl

They are spying how to make ferrari incompetent more & more :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Long run pace looks horrible.


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Wt else pace do we have on the car. Except that car should be in space

[Rishu]

They are spying how to make ferrari incompetent more & more :rotfl

Not sure why would you find that funny. I think everyone now understand Ferrari will be nowhere till atleast 2022, Chairman has come out and said that in public. Not pointing at you but some still are coming here and slagging Ferrari off as if team has promised they will start winning from next weekend. Adjust to Ferrari being in midfield for another year and a half atleast. If people can’t accept that, then burning your blood week in week out is a moot point

[wappad]

Not sure why would you find that funny. I think everyone now understand Ferrari will be nowhere till atleast 2022, Chairman has come out and said that in public. Not pointing at you but some still are coming here and slagging Ferrari off as if team has promised they will start winning from next weekend. Adjust to Ferrari being in midfield for another year and a half atleast. If people can’t accept that, then burning your blood week in week out is a moot point

Best post so far this weekend :thumb

[nani_s23]

Not sure why would you find that funny. I think everyone now understand Ferrari will be nowhere till atleast 2022, Chairman has come out and said that in public. Not pointing at you but some still are coming here and slagging Ferrari off as if team has promised they will start winning from next weekend. Adjust to Ferrari being in midfield for another year and a half atleast. If people can’t accept that, then burning your blood week in week out is a moot point

It’s not to testify ferrari capabilities. But I made a fun out of nowhere & it’s evident too. So I don’t think there’s any harm:-)

[KimiBot]

tight P3 to P12

[nani_s23]

It will be tight Q2 tomorrow.

[chinmay]

It will be a good fight between Vettel, Raikkonen, Russell, Magnussen and Grosjean to get a place in Q2.

[chinmay]

How on earth has McLaren found so much pace? If Alonso was a driver, he would say McLaren have the best chassis.

[KimiBot]

RB did look really smooth, Max onboard cam

[chinmay]

Looks like the front runners have got instructions not to show too much otherwise they would be doing low 1.24s by now.

[KimiBot]

Looks like the front runners have got instructions not to show too much otherwise they would be doing low 1.24s by now.

Yes, Mercs party mode in quali and 1 sec faster than RB

[458 Italia]

Couldn't give a toss about F-mercedes today as it's cup final day! :cheers:drink:drink:drink:-bounce:-bounce

[Redfive]

Couldn't give a toss about F-mercedes today as it's cup final day! :cheers:drink:drink:drink:-bounce:-bounce

If there's one thing I loathe more than Mercedes, it's football. lol

[tifosi1993]

In qualifying, I'm expecting Mercedes to go below 1m24, and our gap to Mercedes around 1.4-1.8 seconds.

Ferrari are right now a midfield team, and will probably remain so in next year as well. The same people who are designing the current and next years car will also design the 2022 car as well, so don't expect any miracles. They may pull a rabbit out of the hat and design a world beater 2022 car, but chances of that happening are very small.

[Christopher]

It's probably better for us to start 11th and 12th on the medium tyre than it is to start in the bottom half of the top 10 on softs especially given how high our tyre deg is.

[paolo lalli]

FERRARI fans globally are just frustrated at how poor Ferrari have become.Attacking the team the organisation or it's origins will not change one single thing.Ferrari have problems yes 100% can they be cured yes in 2 years time that's the mission.Always remember when Ferrari are down the whole of f1 is down.Let mercedes enjoy there show because they are acting only in front of a half full house.Its boring and painful as red bull have found out it's there turn to be kicked to the kerb by mercedes so they should also except failure.I hope Merc hang around in f1 so in 2 years are serious challenge and victories will be presented to them by Ferrari which will deliver the knock out blow for fans and even formula one in general.To help with the pain of ferraris current long term problems turn off the tv and do not watch like the millions globally that already have.But I will bet many can not stop watching they will vent there anger and frustrations in many ways.Iam guilty of this my self but a fan I will remain.The good times are far away but not that far.

[KimiBot]

FERRARI fans globally are just frustrated at how poor Ferrari have become.Attacking the team the organisation or it's origins will not change one single thing.

It is bad leadership, Elkann/Binotto. Kick them out, nothing to lose, all to win. It could get worse of course, we could lose to Williams and Alpha Tauri too, but I doubt that.
They have had time to show what they can do, and it looks so bad,so so bad, so I dont see any reason why we should keep them 2 or more years, just let them go, and try with new guys. Ferrari has all resources to build a fast F1 car, Binotto/Elkann just could not use these tools right way.

[SilverSpeed]

I think RB has reached their limits with their high rake concept now.

[nani_s23]

It is bad leadership, Elkann/Binotto. Kick them out, nothing to lose, all to win. It could get worse of course, we could lose to Williams and Alpha Tauri too, but I doubt that.
They have had time to show what they can do, and it looks so bad,so so bad, so I dont see any reason why we should keep them 2 or more years, just let them go, and try with new guys. Ferrari has all resources to build a fast F1 car, Binotto/Elkann just could not use these tools right way.

:clap SM/MA with team, were setting the path with good cars 2017-2018.... it seemed like we are getting there. But all of a sudden that 2019 car :furious only for single lap it’s good. Now 2020, ohhh bad ...!! Any team would like to improve their graph or performance. But for Ferrari it’s declining. That is the concern.
At least a fight would have been good.

[tifosi1993]

Surprisingly we are looking competitive in sector 1 and 2, but losing heaps of time in sector 3. Quite strange.

But everything will change in Q2, where Mercedes powered cars will turn their engine up.

[Redfive]

Croft and co are more unbearable than usual today. My TV has been muted 6 times and we are only in Q1.

[tifosi1993]

Q1 sectors:

Bottas (27.684--34.612--23.478)

Hamilton (27.886--34.515--23.499)

Max (27.666--34.837--23.612)

Leclerc (27.720--34.940--23.934)

[nani_s23]

S1 & S2.... ferrari carrying L.DF. S3 where grip is required, it’s DF sector. That’s the reason loosing much time.
By the time they reach S3, tyres are gone. Also they couldn’t do slow lap & fast lap.

[tifosi1993]

S1 & S2.... ferrari carrying L.DF. S3 where grip is required, it’s DF sector. That’s the reason loosing much time.
By the time they reach S3, tyres are gone. Also they couldn’t do slow lap & fast lap.

But that's not entirely true though, S2 is all about high speed, which requires more downforce than S3 which is all about slow speed corners. You can say S2 is downforce dependent and S3 is all about mechanical grip.

And S1 and S3 are quite similar, and Lec is competitive in S1.

[tifosi1993]

Lec out on mediums, quite brave.

[JChan]

I Stop watching F1 even it is availbale in our country cable as free since the season started, I know it's a boring Quali and Race, I'm just following this thread..

[tifosi1993]

Good lap from Charles, but I think he needs softs to go through

[PURE PASSION]

Good lap from Charles, but I think he needs softs to go through

He is P3 just thousands behind Ves !!!!!
I think its quite good lap and he is safe

[tifosi1993]

He is P3 just thousands behind Ves !!!!!
I think its quite good lap and he is safe

Ocon on softs only a tenth behind. I think both Max and Charles need softs to go through in to Q3.

[patrese86]

good lap from charles

[PURE PASSION]

Ocon on softs only a tenth behind. I think both Max and Charles need softs to go through in to Q3.

But the others are far behind

[tifosi1993]

But the others are far behind

Stoll on mediums 0.298 sec behind, Albon on mediums 0.377 behind. Both will improve with softs.

P5-P7 on softs only 0.217, and they will also improve with their second run. I think it will be quite a big risk if we don't go out again on softs. But I wouldn't be too upset if Charles starts from P11 on mediums, but if he somehow manages to get into Q3 with mediums, I wouldn't be complaining either.

[tifosi1993]

Ok Charles is safe.

[tifosi1993]

Both Ferrari's into Q3. :clap

[nani_s23]

Vettel on Softs can’t improve over mediums :rotfl
Vettel on Mediums still can’t improve over softs :rotfl

Wasted One fresh set of mediums....!!

I would say vettel got lucky. Albon & Hulk didn’t improve.

[tifosi1993]

Charles will start the race on mediums, Vettel on softs.

[nani_s23]

Good that both cars are in q1...!! Lec doing great job...:clap

[nani_s23]

Hope bottas will repeat Q2Lap :pray

[tifosi1993]

Albon is very good at sim racing, but unfortunately, in the real world he struggles. Let's see how long he will survive. But I don't think Red Bull have anyone better to replace him (unless they go for Vettel).

[DJTaurus]

Mercedes turned down racing points engine to avoid protest :P

[patrese86]

Albon is very good at sim racing, but unfortunately, in the real world he struggles. Let's see how long he will survive. But I don't think Red Bull have anyone better to replace him (unless they go for Vettel).

He was fine coming into the team last season. Had some good performances. Could of won in austria if hamilton hadn't ran him off the road. The fact is almost everyone would look bad compared to max.

[tifosi1993]

He was fine coming into the team last season. Had some good performances. Could of won in austria if hamilton hadn't ran him off the road. The fact is almost everyone would look bad compared to max.

True.

[jgonzalesm6]

Jeeezus.....over a 1 sec between the Mercs and the rest of the field. :-E

[tifosi1993]

CHARLES!! P4

Well done :clap

[KimiBot]

CHARLES!! P4

Well done :clap

:clap

[wappad]

Great lap Charles :thumb

Only a tenth behind Max..I love it :clap

Forza Ferrari :clap

[patrese86]

We'll struggle with race pace. At least we can be happy with Charles efforts.

[KimiBot]

Yes, Mercs party mode in quali and 1 sec faster than RB

:-D

[WS6TransAm01]

Over a second down. I thought it would be two so... yay!

:roll

[nani_s23]

Great job by Lec :clap... vettel he’s dancing on the circuit :-D
That merc car ....:furious....... bottas please handover the car to any other driver ....when it matters he doesn’t perform at all.

[ss-89]

Charles done a great job there. Only slightly slower than verstappen. That merc is ridiculous.

[JPZ]

Congratulations to Leclerc for P4.

[nani_s23]

Easy championship for Ham this season once again...!!

[Redfive]

When Ferrari dominated in 2002/4 the FIA tried many things/rule changes to slow them down but Mercedes have been dominating for 7 years now and .. it's all fine. why?

[tifosi1993]

Qualifying best sectors

Hamilton (27.227--33.896--23.071)

Bottas (27.165--34.175--23.211)

Max (27.321--34.404--23.600)

Leclerc (27.410--34.441--23.576)

Norris (27.569--34.675--23.538)

Stroll (27.623--34.575--23.498)

Sainz (27.663--34.683--23.564)

Ricciardo (27.597--34.865--23.547)

Ocon (27.644--34.824--23.659)

Vettel (27.474--36.696--23.809)

Max speed

Hamilton 319

Ricciardo 319

Ocon 319

Bottas 318

Leclerc 317

Stroll 317

Max 316

Vettel 316

Norris 315

Sainz 315

[tifosi1993]

Great job by Lec :clap... vettel he’s dancing on the circuit :-D
That merc car ....:furious....... bottas please handover the car to any other driver ....when it matters he doesn’t perform at all.

Yup, F1 needs Charles or Max in that other Mercedes. But as a Ferrari fan, I don't want Charles at Mercedes.

But as a F1 fan, I do want Max in that second Mercedes.

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes 7 tenths faster than last year.

Red Bull a tenth slower than last year.

Ferrari 2 tenths slower than last year.

[nani_s23]

Yup, F1 needs Charles or Max in that other Mercedes. But as a Ferrari fan, I don't want Charles at Mercedes.

But as a F1 fan, I do want Max in that second Mercedes.

All I need is Max (RB/Mercs) Vs Lec (ferrari) :-D.....
for sure if Max is in other merc car, ham will look ordinary.

[330 p4]

Looks like the updates Ferrari had have improved things. Ignoring Merc this is a very competitive field. Will be looking at the rest of the year as to whether Ferrari can really battle Red Bull even with a heavily restricted engine.

[Brembo]

Yup, F1 needs Charles or Max in that other Mercedes. But as a Ferrari fan, I don't want Charles at Mercedes.

But as a F1 fan, I do want Max in that second Mercedes.

Bottas only won 1 race so far. Lewis 91 poles ! 2 wins! Merc needs better results !:rotfl

[PURE PASSION]

Looks like the updates Ferrari had have improved things. Ignoring Merc this is a very competitive field. Will be looking at the rest of the year as to whether Ferrari can really battle Red Bull even with a heavily restricted engine.

What updates?????
We haven't brought anything here.
Between the 2 races we have a filming day and supposedly we will try something then!!!!

[Scuderia27]

Rigth now i don't believe Bottas has the same power modes as Hamilton.

Even when Bottas gets pole it seems that Lewis finds more secs bettween q2 and q3.

If before one could say Hamilton wasn't pushing it, today he spun on q2 so he was pushing it.

[Scuderia27]

Mercedes turned down racing points engine to avoid protest :P

So true.

[330 p4]

What updates?????
We haven't brought anything here.
Between the 2 races we have a filming day and supposedly we will try something then!!!!

The original updates the front wing and floor, Hungary was 1st chance to get real data on them, this them has an effect on car set up so it takes a few races to get the most from the updates. This is a power track and they look a damn site better relative to all teams bar of course Mercedes.

[ferras]

What updates?????
We haven't brought anything here.
Between the 2 races we have a filming day and supposedly we will try something then!!!!

Less downforce and draggy rear wing: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeQO4-mXgAAJaSe?format=jpg&name=medium

That's why car is better in the straights and worse in the corners.

[totox]

Great job by Lec :clap... vettel he’s dancing on the circuit :-D
That merc car ....:furious....... bottas please handover the car to any other driver ....when it matters he doesn’t perform at all.

And what do you expect him to do with a loose brake pedal for three times consecutive since the weekend started? Lol I guess all the people here would take the car to drive it to the limit with something loose in the pedal area without fear and risk... Jeez we can blame vettel all we want but that car never got pace since fp1 when was down to issues.

[PURE PASSION]

Less downforce and draggy rear wing: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeQO4-mXgAAJaSe?format=jpg&name=medium

That's why car is better in the straights and worse in the corners.


The original updates the front wing and floor, Hungary was 1st chance to get real data on them, this them has an effect on car set up so it takes a few races to get the most from the updates. This is a power track and they look a damn site better relative to all teams bar of course Mercedes.
We have new low df rear wing witch is track specific, NO major updates. The floor from Austria 2 dont think it gave us anything in general performance wise.
This new rear wing looks to be better for qualy BUT way worse in race pace. Let's wait for tomorrow's race ,but if it's like FP2 s picture, we will tragically slow bacause we destroy the tires massively!!!
So if this will be confirmed, nothing have changed, just better in qualy worser in race!!!!

[nani_s23]

And what do you expect him to do with a loose brake pedal for three times consecutive since the weekend started? Lol I guess all the people here would take the car to drive it to the limit with something loose in the pedal area without fear and risk... Jeez we can blame vettel all we want but that car never got pace since fp1 when was down to issues.

I didn’t say anything against him. His handling or set up issues might be different. He’s not comfortable all through the weekend.

[wappad]

And what do you expect him to do with a loose brake pedal for three times consecutive since the weekend started? Lol I guess all the people here would take the car to drive it to the limit with something loose in the pedal area without fear and risk... Jeez we can blame vettel all we want but that car never got pace since fp1 when was down to issues.

:thumb

[ferras]

We have new low df rear wing witch is track specific, NO major updates. The floor from Austria 2 dont think it gave us anything in general performance wise.
This new rear wing looks to be better for qualy BUT way worse in race pace. Let's wait for tomorrow's race ,but if it's like FP2 s picture, we will tragically slow bacause we destroy the tires massively!!!
So if this will be confirmed, nothing have changed, just better in qualy worser in race!!!!

Every season update is based on a specific track. It happens every season in every weekend. If you think each new floor or front wing is an important upgrade, you are misinformed by the media. Wings and floors are not a major upgrades by itself.

[PURE PASSION]

Every season update is based on a specific track. It happens every season in every weekend. If you think each new floor or front wing is an important upgrade, you are misinformed by the media. Wings and floors are not a major upgrades by itself.

Floors,bargeboards area, diffuser ARE important updates and are used in every track. The wings are track related but not that we use different in every single track. There are the the ends like Monaco- Hungary with top high downforce and on the other end Spa- Monza with very low downforce. I. The other tracks the teams use their main wings with minor changes.

[330 p4]

Floors,bargeboards area, diffuser ARE important updates and are used in every track. The wings are track related but not that we use different in every single track. There are the the ends like Monaco- Hungary with top high downforce and on the other end Spa- Monza with very low downforce. I. The other tracks the teams use their main wings with minor changes.

All in all I think that floor and wing has made a difference. I have a better feeling than what we saw at 1st race but of course the race may well be a different story, however at 1st few races qualifying and race was rubbish so at least if its qualifying only it's something. Interesting if rumours of drag at sudepod inlet are true as that's drag for no downforce, if they can somehow fix that may well keep or improve downforce with far less drag. Ferrari maybe competing with Red Bull towards the end if the season.

[PURE PASSION]

All in all I think that floor and wing has made a difference. I have a better feeling than what we saw at 1st race but of course the race may well be a different story, however at 1st few races qualifying and race was rubbish so at least if its qualifying only it's something. Interesting if rumours of drag at sudepod inlet are true as that's drag for no downforce, if they can somehow fix that may well keep or improve downforce with far less drag. Ferrari maybe competing with Red Bull towards the end if the season.

Ofcourse we all hope that the performance uprise we saw today will continue tomorrow and better days will follow, BUT ..............!!!

[patrese86]

Leclerc said we've took an aggressive approach to quali here but we will suffer in the race.

[ferras]

Leclerc said we've took an aggressive approach to quali here but we will suffer in the race.

He had this problem last season. That's why he was the best in quali last year. Rookie mistakes.

[nani_s23]

Leclerc said we've took an aggressive approach to quali here but we will suffer in the race.

Yes... I feel somehow Leclerc always goes for aggressive quali set-up & he suffers little bit in the race by looking after the tyres or something similar.

May be he will change approach when he gets more comfortable with car & if the package is strong.

[330 p4]

Ofcourse we all hope that the performance uprise we saw today will continue tomorrow and better days will follow, BUT ..............!!!

Yes. It's a start, a chink of light. Appreciate may well suffer in the race with tyre wear. It will take time but little things like today should start to be more consistent. It's a positive, tomorrow likely not but its climbing back up the ladder and its early days. If LeClerc can maintain this position tomorrow that would realistically be the best possible result that we can expect at this stage. If can get 6th that's maybe more realistic. If 9th or 10th that will be disappointing.

[Timpolidori]

We have new low df rear wing witch is track specific, NO major updates. The floor from Austria 2 dont think it gave us anything in general performance wise.
This new rear wing looks to be better for qualy BUT way worse in race pace. Let's wait for tomorrow's race ,but if it's like FP2 s picture, we will tragically slow bacause we destroy the tires massively!!!
So if this will be confirmed, nothing have changed, just better in qualy worser in race!!!!Agreed, especially Vettel starting on the softs with no down force will be sliding all over the place and in the pits in single digits

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[paolo lalli]

More gold chains for the rapper yea bro.That poor soul Hamilton it must be lonely at the top looking down on all the other f1 drivers.Thank God he toned down his race rhetoric because mercedes in Germany has had a gut full of him.Even 3 chains knows and respects it does not matter if you are black or white.Do not bite the hand that feeds you,other wise the gold chains will stop coming.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc said we've took an aggressive approach to quali here but we will suffer in the race.

Did he?

[PURE PASSION]

.
@Max33Verstappen : "You have to accept that Mercedes are too quick, but they are doing a such great job, you can't fight against that atm."
So last year ,when we where fast we must've been cheating, while now that Mercs are 1 sec faster then him ,they are just such a good team ??????
What the hell is going on ????!!!!!

[stefa]

.
So last year ,when we where fast we must've been cheating, while now that Mercs are 1 sec faster then him ,they are just such a good team ??????
What the hell is going on ????!!!!!

Hypocrite!!!!

[ferras]

.
So last year ,when we where fast we must've been cheating, while now that Mercs are 1 sec faster then him ,they are just such a good team ??????
What the hell is going on ????!!!!!

In telemetry, they saw that something was wrong with Ferrari.

[PURE PASSION]

In telemetry, they saw that something was wrong with Ferrari.

Yeh faster!!!
Now what that see or don't see with Merc ????!!!

[ferras]

Yeh faster!!!
Now what that see or don't see with Merc ????!!!

Do you at least have a minimal understanding of what teams see on their computers? I don't think so. RBR from their computers showed to FIA how Ferrari cheats might work and they probably was accurate.

[paolo lalli]

Red fools are now paying the price of playing Squellers no favours from the fia red fools now go and beat mercedes like Dr Death Marko was suggesting will be the situation.I can not wait for a red bull victory seriously the waiting is killing me just like Ferrari is.Keep dreaming red fools and keep squelling on other teams and oh yes keep protesting.

[nani_s23]

With that car, making it to 2nd row start is not a easy thing. Leclerc did a stellar job to extract everything from the car.
I saw a video where he controlled the car at that high speed Maggots & Beckett’s section with cross wind was amazing.

If there’s luck he can finish at the same position as faster cars are behind him, it’s pretty tough to hold them with the slower car.

For vettel, as there’s nothing to loose don’t see much of chances. Only SC in 2nd stint will give him some chance

[killer]

For vettel, as there’s nothing to loose don’t see much of chances. Only SC in 2nd stint will give him some chance

They might as well try anything.

Get him in and put him on the Hards on Lap 1. Go to softs near the end. It is not like the point from 10th matters currently. At least get some data and give the strat team an exercise.

[PURE PASSION]

Do you at least have a minimal understanding of what teams see on their computers? I don't think so. RBR from their computers showed to FIA how Ferrari cheats might work and they probably was accurate.


So RBR have Ferrari's telemetry and how our engine performs????!!!!
Our you serious????
They only can see from GPS how the car accelerates, brakes etc.
They said some possible irregularities they thought we must be doing. But then the FIA declare it legal so the protested again. The thing is that EVERYBODY cheats with one way or another.What bothers me is why RBR fight so hard against us last year and now thetly accept their fate being 1sec slower then Merc and they also praise them.
It's just so slimple: If FERRARI is fast everybody shouts here and there that we must have done something illegal, and when Merc is astronomically fast all the world now to them and praise them for doing such a good work !!!!!!
The other odd thing is that last year from Austin onwards that the directives took place and I seems like we lost performance, actually we didn't lose out straight line speed but we went back of have an unbalanced car with poor downforce, like the start of the year. Its was like the Singapore updates stop working!!!!!

[nani_s23]

They might as well try anything.

Get him in and put him on the Hards on Lap 1. Go to softs near the end. It is not like the point from 10th matters currently. At least get some data and give the strat team an exercise.

Yup... only SC should help him else it’s bad weekend again with out of points.
But Ferrari needs to try & collect Data with his stints on this track, which could be helpful for future races & bringing updates from maranello

[chinmay]

Helmut Marko


It's a mystery where Leclerc got that speed from. He was faster on the straights than we were, but that only seems to be the case with him. We didn't see it with Sebastian Vettel. In fact, Leclerc only lost two tenths at his best time of 2019.

[PURE PASSION]

Helmut Marko

AGAIN they dont bother with Merc taking their scalp ,but with us showing just a bit of performance growth!!!!!!!!

[SilverSpeed]

RB are always looking at us lol sad team.

[ferras]

So RBR have Ferrari's telemetry and how our engine performs????!!!!
Our you serious????
They only can see from GPS how the car accelerates, brakes etc.
They said some possible irregularities they thought we must be doing. But then the FIA declare it legal so the protested again. The thing is that EVERYBODY cheats with one way or another.What bothers me is why RBR fight so hard against us last year and now thetly accept their fate being 1sec slower then Merc and they also praise them.
It's just so slimple: If FERRARI is fast everybody shouts here and there that we must have done something illegal, and when Merc is astronomically fast all the world now to them and praise them for doing such a good work !!!!!!
The other odd thing is that last year from Austin onwards that the directives took place and I seems like we lost performance, actually we didn't lose out straight line speed but we went back of have an unbalanced car with poor downforce, like the start of the year. Its was like the Singapore updates stop working!!!!!

Yes, they have. All teams have. GPS is also telemetry data