Silverstone Race thread

[phsyklone]

Only 1 and half hour to go. Looking at Leclerc's onboard in qualy our car looks very stable and easy to drive, also noticed how low our rake is. Following on the Merc philosophy. Hoping for a good results. Leclerc to beat Max

[chinmay]

Sebastian Vettel:


We have to be open minded. We're starting 10th, we're not expecting miracles & finishing on the podium. I think ideally make up a couple of places, race people around me and come out in front of them.

So a point or two is the target.

[jgonzalesm6]

Provisional grid with penalties

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeWqHWDWsAs4-TY?format=jpg&name=large


Tires left per driver

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeZjDqFXYAELRLi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096




current component allocation allotment

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeZ5OAGXkAEBHJ0?format=png&name=small



Today's trophies are inspired by the trophies given at F1's first ever race - the 1950 British Grand Prix.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeabTZyWoAAlPDe?format=jpg&name=large

[nani_s23]

Sebastian Vettel:



So a point or two is the target.

I’m not expecting much from him. It’s better if ferrari sends him off on a good note.
He’s been playing with media too much these days. Don’t know what wrong with him.
One thing is for sure, he isn’t comfortable with the current car & his weekend was bad, so it might go worse too. If he’s in the points then that’s a surprise else nothing much.

[ferrari1.8t]

I wonder if the FIA will make the drivers wash Hamilton’s feet at Silverstone today. After all, he’s not happy with kneeling. Maybe they should just save the tires and fuel and give him the trophy before the race starts. Send everyone home and spare us another bore fest. “My tires are gone, my engine is making a noise, by back is hurting” - all while smashing lap records.

Joking aside, I hope our set up will give Leclerc a chance at some decent points today.

[nani_s23]

Charles said they have less downforce on their car which will probably be not so good for the tyre management. He doesn't expect a miracle / a podium position. But he will try his best.

[KimiBot]

Hopefully Hamilton wins, I know it is not easy for him to win, that mighty Bottas or super fast Red Bull is his real enemies.
Bottas always fights so Lewis has to drive maximum limits.
GO LEWIS

[Redfive]

Forza Ferrari and please a Merc crash or DNF. Could do with Max doing a banzai start and taking a wheel off Hammy.

Go Charles and please don't spin Seb mate!

[stefa]

Nico will not star the race

[stefa]

So one or two laps down on Mercedes?

[jgonzalesm6]

Stroll lost places already on the 1st lap.

He's P8 now.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari should take a gamble with vettel, nothing to lose. Put him on hards

[KimiBot]

so now, rest of the racing is to watch Lewis Sunday cruising to victory, and Sky commentators try to find something exciting

[Lesky]

HAM lucked out getting a bad start at the right track.

[Redfive]

so now, rest of the racing is to watch Lewis Sunday cruising to victory, and Sky commentators try to find something exciting

it IS exciting to them, you can hear it in their voices, they love it. The bigger the domination the better to them.

[nani_s23]

Lec struggling to keep those cars behind

[nani_s23]

Awful speed

[Ojie1214]

any live streaming link guys?

[KimiBot]

https://www.totalsportek.com/formula1-hungary/

[tifosi1993]

We're about a second/lap slower than Red Bull-Max

[nani_s23]

Vettel tyres are already gone

[stefa]

We're about a second/lap slower than Red Bull-Max

And almost two than Mercedes!

[KimiBot]

Vettel tyres are already gone

:thumb

[Rishu]

Gasly can jump even before Vettel pits

[nani_s23]

Lec doing good job... sainz Ric Norris on Softs... at the moment Lec position is safe.

[tifosi1993]

Bottas 36.559 in sector 2, Leclerc 37.428

Bottas 24.876 in sector 3, Leclerc 25.415

We are there and there about in sector 1

[JChan]

SC again its way beyond the track!

[nani_s23]

Vettel undercut Ocon think so

[458 Italia]

Joke of a sport. merc have this whole season all sewn up.

[JChan]

BOOOOOORRRRRIIIIINNNNGGGGG

[tifosi1993]

Joke of a sport. merc have this whole season all sewn up.

Blame those other jokers, who can't build a good enough car to challenge Mercedes.

Blaming Mercedes is like blaming the best student of the class, you should blame other bad students for not studying properly.

[tifosi1993]

38 laps to go, which will be a tall order for these hard tyres. Leclerc got a new sets of softs.

[nani_s23]

38 laps to go, which will be a tall order for these hard tyres. Leclerc got a new sets of softs.

Need another SC after 20Laps... that will make race interesting. Becoz bottas & Lec will go for new set of Mediums not softs which Max & ham doesn’t have any.

[Redfive]

Joke of a sport. merc have this whole season all sewn up.

and next season too.

[wappad]

BOOOOOORRRRRIIIIINNNNGGGGG


Turn off the TeeeeeeeeeeeeeeVeeeeeeeeeeee

[ferrari1.8t]

Blame those other jokers, who can't build a good enough car to challenge Mercedes.

Blaming Mercedes is like blaming the best student of the class, you should blame other bad students for not studying properly.

9 other teams can’t even get a sniff of Mercedes, one got close but they had to buy an old Merc to do it. Don’t blame the other teams for not being able to close the gap. Blame the FIA, Liberty and Merc for creating a formula and rules that allow for no development, no testing, no way to improve to close the gap to your competitors. It’s a joke formula and you know it. Stop hailing Merc for being so “amazing”, stop pretending they haven’t been helped along the way.

[JChan]

Blame those other jokers, who can't build a good enough car to challenge Mercedes.

Blaming Mercedes is like blaming the best student of the class, you should blame other bad students for not studying properly.

sorry I can't agree with that, FIA pressure Ferrari for the engine, when Ferrari collide with RB or MERC its automatic penalty, but other way around it's racing incident, but when it comes to merc nothings happen like the DAS it is legal this year but next year it's not allowed... how can FIA justify this kind of thing, today its allowed, tomorrow it's not allowed? if it's legal today why not allowed it tomorrow and so on... o it means its illegal for today? but they allowed MERC to dominate.

[stefa]

BOOOOOORRRRRIIIIINNNNGGGGG

I've literally catch a sleep

[Lesky]

Good news, Albon is back in the pack to make plenty more risky overtakes! Probably the only thing happening this afternoon.

[Lesky]

I've literally catch a sleep

I am watching a soccer game with only the F1 sound, and check in when something happens :-)

[nani_s23]

Oh my god that’s a lazy truck...!! Taking too much time

[Redfive]

Blame those other jokers, who can't build a good enough car to challenge Mercedes.

Blaming Mercedes is like blaming the best student of the class, you should blame other bad students for not studying properly.

Not if the student is cheating and cheating with the teachers permission.

[tifosi1993]

9 other teams can’t even get a sniff of Mercedes, one got close but they had to buy an old Merc to do it. Don’t blame the other teams for not being able to close the gap. Blame the FIA, Liberty and Merc for creating a formula and rules that allow for no development, no testing, no way to improve to close the gap to your competitors. It’s a joke formula and you know it. Stop hailing Merc for being so “amazing”, stop pretending they haven’t been helped along the way.

Not interested in conspiracy theories. Ferrari are spending millions of dollars, they are not going to spend that much money while knowing the FIA is helping Mercedes. That's just an idiotic suggestion.

And Ferrari got veto powers, if they feel that they are getting hard done by others, then they should use it more often.

[tifosi1993]

Not if the student is cheating and cheating with the teachers permission.

Prove that they're cheating.

[jgonzalesm6]

Oh my god that’s a lazy truck...!! Taking too much time

Car is loaded with fuel. You don't want the car swinging around and damaging more of the car.

[Ferrari312T4]

Everybody complaining about the sc Merc...Why is it a Merc... Ferrari could provide something more potent than this turtle

[Rishu]

How did Vettel fell back to Ocon?

[ferrari1.8t]

Not interested in conspiracy theories. Ferrari are spending millions of dollars, they are not going to spend that much money while knowing the FIA is helping Mercedes. That's just an idiotic suggestion.

And Ferrari got veto powers, if they feel that they are getting hard done by others, then they should use it more often.

Not a conspiracy theory mate, straight facts. It’s not just about Ferrari falling short, it’s 9 other teams as well. The facts are there for everyone to see. Merc has had an advantage, if I have time and feel like it later I will pull up countless articles proving this.

[JChan]

Stroll is a driver! I though he's a junk! give that PINK MERC to Ferrari let's see what it is!

[nani_s23]

How did Vettel fell back to Ocon?

Vettel tyres lock up

[nani_s23]

Our pace on Hard tyres horrible......not pulling away from Haas

[JChan]

How did Vettel fell back to Ocon?

VET time as a driver is done... he is like KIMI!

[tifosi1993]

What an awful car. I do wonder what work they have done last year, it's not like they were fighting for the WDCs or WCC's. I would assume the work of current car started before August.

Blaming the coronavirus not gonna cut it unfortunately. Alpha Tauri is also from Italy, and I don't see them battling for the last place.

[PURE PASSION]

We have NO pace at all with any tire !!!!!!!
We are 1s + slower per lap !!!!!!!!!

[JChan]

IT'S TIME TO TURN OFF THE TVVVVVVVV!!!! thank you FIA!

[nani_s23]

That McLaren car :clap given their financial situation

[Rishu]

That McLaren car :clap given their financial situation

They will have Mercedes engine next year, watch out

[tifosi1993]

That McLaren car :clap given their financial situation

And as for us, the same people who are doing such an 'wonderful' job with the current and last years car, gonna produce a world beater in 2022. :rotfl

[nani_s23]

They will have Mercedes engine next year, watch out

Yup first 6 position will be Mercs cars, rest of the field should fight for next 4 positions.

[Ferrari312T4]

It's our engine, we had to build a new engine since the FIA banished our previous one. And since we have a lock on it. We can't do anything about it. Combined with our correlation gremlins...we now have a red turd. And fourth isn't bad..

[Rishu]

Such a procession, thank god 20000 odd didn’t spend their hard earned money to watch this

[nani_s23]

Gio doing great job....holding Gas & Albon

[tifosi1993]

We are even slower than Mclaren in sector 2. But let's see what Harry Potter says after this race, I do wish someone would put a Siilencio curse on him.

[tifosi1993]

Lap 29

Ham 1m30.266

Bot 1m29.764

Max 1m30.447

Lec 1m31.378

[PURE PASSION]

Just read this!!!!!
Haven't heard it before!!!!


Binotto: "I am not the technical director anymore, I am only the team principal now."

➡️ : He said that they are looking for people outside of Ferrari and that they are not looking at the nationality but they have to find the right people.

#BritishGP #RTL

[tifosi1993]

Last lap

Verstappen 1m29.783

Leclerc 1m31.007

Sainz 1m31.149

all were personal best

[Ferrari312T4]

Just read this!!!!!
Haven't heard it before!!!!


Binotto: "I am not the technical director anymore, I am only the team principal now."

➡️ : He said that they are looking for people outside of Ferrari and that they are not looking at the nationality but they have to find the right people.

#BritishGP #RTL

New talent is always a good thing. That's some good news

[nani_s23]

Boring race

[Schumiklub]

We’re depressingly slow.


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[nani_s23]

Last lap

Verstappen 1m29.783

Leclerc 1m31.007


Sainz 1m31.149

all were personal best

Lewis 1.29.3 .... we are almost 2sec slower in race pace.

[Ferrari312T4]

Boring race

Yeah snooze fest

[ferrari1.8t]

Boring race

Very boring, but hey the FIA are willing to lose millions of fans if it means another 2 easy titles for Merc and Ham.

Cue fake drama - Hamilton “tyres are blistering” lol right on time

[stefa]

OK. This is the lowest point. SV lost a place to PG in Alfa Tauri!

[tifosi1993]

Sainz is closing in on Charles. Mclaren is much faster than Ferrari in sector 2, marginally faster in sector 3, a bit slower in sector 1

[Rishu]

Horror show for Vettel continues

[Schumiklub]

Why can’t we put in a request to redevelop the engine? If would be for the good of the sport...


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[chinmay]

OK. This is the lowest point. SV lost a place to PG in Alfa Tauri!

Won't be long before Gasly starts pulling away.

[jgonzalesm6]

Can we bring out the Spitfire again......please!!

[Tifoso Svedese]

How long until this over? Charles got P4 covered?

Won't watch so long as the cheating trash team is allowed to cheat so reliant on text updates.

[nani_s23]

I’ve told you vettel will not finish to the points. Horrible weekend for him.

[330 p4]

Car is not great but Leclerc making a good fist of it. Vettel looks like he has checked out and just going through the motions.

[Ferrari312T4]

Can we bring out the Spitfire again......please!!

Lol

[stefa]

And in one week time all over again!?

[nani_s23]

And in one week time all over again!?

On the same track ??

[WS6TransAm01]

This is just sad. The downward spiral continues.

Charles needs to jump ship ASAP. They already said they have in 2021 and assuming they will get it right in 22 is ignoring history. This poor kid who has gallant to be champion will spend his career in the midfield.

[Schumiklub]

On the same track ??

Yes


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[stefa]

On the same track ??

Yeap

[Redfive]

Can we bring out the Spitfire again......please!!

as much as I love the Spitfire, the heavenly sound of the merlin engine, I disliked that. Painting a Spitfire blue and white (even if it is for a good cause) is sheer vandalism!

[chinmay]

I’ve told you vettel will not finish to the points. Horrible weekend for him.

A bit late to the party. I told that before the start of Practice 1.

[stefa]

This is just sad. The downward spiral continues.

Charles needs to jump ship ASAP. They already said they have in 2021 and assuming they will get it right in 22 is ignoring history. This poor kid who has gallant to be champion will spend his career in the midfield.

Reminds me of Jean Alesi. He also spend his career in Ferrari for just one win, and cluld have been champion if he got into Williams as it was an option....

[tifosi1993]

At least Charles is turning out to be a great racing driver. Today's performance is pretty much like Alonso-esque. Mclaren is the faster race car, but he's keeping them behind.

[nani_s23]

Yeap

That would be another painful weekend I think.

[TTRSMAD]

Ferrari should get a briefcase full of cash and ring the doorbell of Andy Cowell house and say hello can you please come and work for us. Easy

[jgonzalesm6]

as much as I love the Spitfire, the heavenly sound of the merlin engine, I disliked that. Painting a Spitfire blue and white (even if it is for a good cause) is sheer vandalism!

It was an RP plane.....reconnasaince photo plane...hence the painting of blue livery.

Yeah, the writing underneath can be removed.

[chinmay]

This is just sad. The downward spiral continues.

Charles needs to jump ship ASAP. They already said they have in 2021 and assuming they will get it right in 22 is ignoring history. This poor kid who has gallant to be champion will spend his career in the midfield.

And go where? The only winning team does not want to get rid of tier 3 driver Bottas.

[chinmay]

At least Charles is turning out to be a great racing driver. Today's performance is pretty much like Alonso-esque. Mclaren is the faster race car, but he's keeping them behind.

Hopefully he won't sit behind other car for all eternity like Alonso did in 2010 even though the world championship was at line.

[Rishu]

At least Charles is turning out to be a great racing driver. Today's performance is pretty much like Alonso-esque. Mclaren is the faster race car, but he's keeping them behind.

Yeah, so far seems like a race win equivalent drive

[tifosi1993]

Bye Butler

[458 Italia]

:-ZZ:-ZZ:-ZZ:-ZZ:-ZZ:-ZZ

[stefa]

It is always WRONG Mercedes!

[nani_s23]

Yeyyyyy Lec podium

[Ferrari312T4]

Yaay!!!!

[karthikn.1011]

Wow ..these sky commentators are so annoying and biased ... even before they comment on Bottas puncture they talk about Lewis.. horrible

[tifosi1993]

Dani Ric on a charge. P4

[tanvirf1]

Ferrari should get a briefcase full of cash and ring the doorbell of Andy Cowell house and say hello can you please come and work for us. Easy

Ross Brawn,Jean todd,schumi all were non Italian. who brings title

[stefa]

DRAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nani_s23]

Oh my godddd

[Hornet]

LOL
What luck Lewis have

[Greig]

Woah well done Red Bull hahaha I guess the Merc drama was real then.....

[Rishu]

Why did RB pit Verstappen

[stefa]

Why did RB pit Verstappen

For FL

[Greig]

Great drive Charles

[stefa]

LOL
What luck Lewis have

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

[nani_s23]

Vettellllll:rotfl

[Schumiklub]

Aaaaah, it should have happened just one lap earlier!


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[stefa]

SV denied VB of 10th. :thumb

[patrese86]

What a flukey *******

[nani_s23]

This shows Ham is always at lucky end....

[stefa]

Aaaaah, it should have happened just one lap earlier!


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As usual, it is LH, it always goes into his hands

[nani_s23]

SV denied VB of 10th. :thumb

Ham is damn luckyyyyyyy everytime

[Rishu]

Well done Charles, master drive
Awful weekend for Vettel

[Tifoso Svedese]

At least we have this kid 4 more years, great job! World-class performance to finish P3 at a power circuit in this car.

Not allowed to swear but why couldn't #44 just have gotten stranded? :-??

Vettel... well. Lesser said, the better.

[Redfive]

Luckiest F1 driver of all time by light years.

[Timpolidori]

When mercedes can still win with a flat tyre it's time to switch off and pick a new sport

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[wappad]

Lucky one, but again one that feels very very good :clap.

Well done Charles, your second one of the season, yoohoo!!

Forza Ferrari :clap

[Schumiklub]

This is just unbelievable! He’s so lucky! Incredible!


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[330 p4]

For FL

That was clever, give away 7 points to gain 1. If Ferrari did that and missed the win this site would be in melt down.

[tifosi1993]

Hopefully he won't sit behind other car for all eternity like Alonso did in 2010 even though the world championship was at line.

Alonso is not like Vettel, he's not gonna crash in to someone while trying to overtake. And 2010 was without DRS.

[nani_s23]

It started with Kimi :rotfl...

[tifosi1993]

Why did RB pit Verstappen

Max probably wanted the FL. And lost the win because of it.

[Greig]

Softer tyres next week as well?

[Schumiklub]

Softer tyres next week as well?

Yep, it’s going to be very interesting.


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[chinmay]

Well done Charles, master drive
Awful weekend for Vettel

It's going to be rinse and repeat for the next weekend.

[Tifoso Svedese]

With regards to Max' pit stop, for Ferrari to win a race we'd need both Mercedes to blow multiple tyres, Verstappen to crash earlier on the lap to the grid plus both pink cheat copycats in quarantine :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Alonso is not like Vettel, he's not gonna crash in to someone while trying to overtake. And 2010 was without DRS.

Alonso is a different league driver. Vettel & even Ham will be no match to him

[Greig]

This is just sad. The downward spiral continues.

Charles needs to jump ship ASAP. They already said they have in 2021 and assuming they will get it right in 22 is ignoring history. This poor kid who has gallant to be champion will spend his career in the midfield.

Podium is midfield is it....haha must hurt you to see.

[tifosi1993]

At least we have this kid 4 more years, great job! World-class performance to finish P3 at a power circuit in this car.

Not allowed to swear but why couldn't #44 just have gotten stranded? :-??

Vettel... well. Lesser said, the better.

He's now at the mercy of RP, they will decide whether he stays in F1 for next year or not. That says all doesn't it.

If I were the TP of RP, I would keep Perez over Vettel.

[tanvirf1]

Bottas thank u.(from ferrafi fans and benotto)

[tifosi1993]

Alonso is a different league driver. Vettel & even Ham will be no match to him

Ham already matched him in his rookie season, but yeah Alonso of 2007 wasn't the Alonso of 2010-2018.

But he's a league above Vettel, no doubt about it.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Alonso is a different league driver. Vettel & even Ham will be no match to him

Alonso is the only driver this side of Schumacher capable to winning a title in an inferior car, and in fact would've done so but for the FIA inspection debacle on the Red Bulls in 2012 in Monaco and Germany.

Senna in 1991, Schumacher in 1995 and 2003 and Alonso in 2005 are the greatest title wins in my lifetime with regards to equipment had, while Alonso in 2012 without a match is the best season I've ever seen from a driver.

[nani_s23]

Mr Harry Potter is saved again by Leclerc this weekend.
Now he will come & say “we have better tyre wear”

[Greig]

Mr Harry Potter is saved again by Leclerc this weekend.
Now he will come & say “we have better tyre wear”

Can you just use his name, no need to be disrespectful here.

[nani_s23]

Ham already matched him in his rookie season, but yeah Alonso of 2007 wasn't the Alonso of 2010-2018.

But he's a league above Vettel, no doubt about it.

2007 season Ham vs Alonso, we can differ a lot especially 2nd half of the season where team is inclined to Ham :-D

[nani_s23]

Can you just use his name, no need to be disrespectful here.

My apologies..!!

[Tifoso Svedese]

He's now at the mercy of RP, they will decide whether he stays in F1 for next year or not. That says all doesn't it.

If I were the TP of RP, I would keep Perez over Vettel.

Frankly, he should just pack it in before embarassing himself further. To think how good he was in 2015 and 2017 to go to this is just baffling. The moment he started try to kiss the rear end of everything Mercedes all the time, he collapsed as a driver. Him going into the Mercedes team box after losing the title to shake everybody's hands just made me see red.

[Vettel165]

Seb had problems the entire weekend. You saw it fp1 problem fp2 problem fp3 problem. The car was badly setuped and balanced the same as Charles had in Hungary. Charles did its max bravo. Lewis lucky again. Poor Seb new team awaits for him or to retire as Kimi. Both did its years and had many good years.

[tifosi1993]

What we saw today was bound happened. Tyres are from last year and today's car, aero-wise, producing more downforce than before. If we raced in Spain, half the field would not finish that race.

Good thing for us I guess, since we are not really quick compared to last year, both aero and engine-wise.

[Vettel165]

What we saw today was bound happened. Tyres are from last year and today's car, aero-wise, producing more downforce than before. If we raced in Spain, half the field would not finish that race.

Good thing for us I guess, since we are not really quick compared to last year, both aero and engine-wise.

At some point Charles was 2 second slower than lewis per Lap. Crazy. Charles really did its job today for deserved third. Shame fo max as he could win the race.

[ferrari1.8t]

Congrats to Leclerc! Of course Sky and co sticking up for Hamilton driving on a dangerous tire.

[tifosi1993]

2007 season Ham vs Alonso, we can differ a lot especially 2nd half of the season where team is inclined to Ham :-D

As I said, Alonso of 2007 wasn't the Alonso of 2010-2018. Alonso of 2010-2018 would come out ahead of current Hamilton, if both had equal cars.

Too bad we never got see prime Alonso in the fastest car.

[nani_s23]

Hope the drama is the same for the next weekend.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Congrats to Leclerc! Of course Sky and co sticking up for Hamilton driving on a dangerous tire.

Yeah I thought you were only allowed to drive back to the pits on three wheels, not complete a new lap? Needs a time penalty of 10 seconds for crossing the finish line in an unsafe condition to be demoted the pit stop time so Max wins. I think that should be automatic if a driver crosses the line in dangerous equipment.

Since Greig loves safety so much, I'm sure he agrees :-)

[nani_s23]

As I said, Alonso of 2007 wasn't the Alonso of 2010-2018. Alonso of 2010-2018 would come out ahead of current Hamilton, if both had equal cars.

Too bad we never got see prime Alonso in the fastest car.

:thumb

[Lesky]

LOL.

IF Lewis had that puncture 20 seconds earlier Verstappen would not have pitted. This was the most lucky thing EVER to happen in Formula 1, except for Glock going off track at the last corner in 2008.

And Bottas lost EVERYTHING because he got the puncture at the wrong place of the track, so he had to limp for so long. Unreal luck for Hamilton.

[Rishu]

As I said, Alonso of 2007 wasn't the Alonso of 2010-2018. Alonso of 2010-2018 would come out ahead of current Hamilton, if both had equal cars.

Too bad we never got see prime Alonso in the fastest car.

But he got stuck behind Petrov, don’t you know. That one occasion, and he is down on my list

[ferrari1.8t]

Yeah I thought you were only allowed to drive back to the pits on three wheels, not complete a new lap? Needs a time penalty of 10 seconds for crossing the finish line in an unsafe condition to be demoted the pit stop time so Max wins.

Since Greig loves safety so much, I'm sure he agrees :-)

I’m not expecting anything, but at least an investigation to show that there is some parity when it comes to penalties. Merc covered the tire right away, which shows you they know he shouldn’t have driven on it. More Ham/Merc favouritism as usual.

[jgonzalesm6]

GREAT JOB BY CHARLES.

[wappad]

Mr Harry Potter is saved again by Leclerc this weekend.
Now he will come & say “we have better tyre wear”

They definitely had today :clap

Forza Ferrari, forza Charles :thumb

:wave

[Greig]

I’m not expecting anything, but at least an investigation to show that there is some parity when it comes to penalties. Merc covered the tire right away, which shows you they know he shouldn’t have driven on it. More Ham/Merc favouritism as usual.

Every driver tries to get back to the pits with a puncture.....should he have pitted though is the question.

[tifosi1993]

Frankly, he should just pack it in before embarassing himself further. To think how good he was in 2015 and 2017 to go to this is just baffling. The moment he started try to kiss the rear end of everything Mercedes all the time, he collapsed as a driver. Him going into the Mercedes team box after losing the title to shake everybody's hands just made me see red.

Yup.

Lately Vettel is getting pretty chummy with the media. It's only a matter of time until he says something like "Ferrari not giving me the equal car as Charles" or something like that.

I think Binotto needs to rein in, because Vettel is still under Ferrari contract. Otherwise he would say something stupid, and Ferrari would get lots of bad PR's.

[chinmay]

Yup.

Lately Vettel is getting pretty chummy with the media. It's only a matter of time until he says something like "Ferrari not giving me the equal car as Charles" or something like that.

I think Binotto needs to rein in, because Vettel is still under Ferrari contract. Otherwise he would say something stupid, and Ferrari would get lots of bad PR's.

Unfortunately for you, this question was already asked to him yesterday and he profoundly dismissed the idea.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Yup.

Lately Vettel is getting pretty chummy with the media. It's only a matter of time until he says something like "Ferrari not giving me the equal car as Charles" or something like that.

I think Binotto needs to rein in, because Vettel is still under Ferrari contract. Otherwise he would say something stupid, and Ferrari would get lots of bad PR's.

There's no denying that Vettel was a great champion, at least nearly the same level as Hammy, but now he just reminds me of Jorge Lorenzo at Honda or the Jimmie Johnson of the past few years in NASCAR. Sometimes, champions collapse a lot harder than others. Bar being given a Mercedes, I don't think Vettel would have any prospects of rejuvinating himself. Max would destroy him now, whereas in 2017-2018 they'd be too close to call.

[ferrari1.8t]

Every driver tries to get back to the pits with a puncture.....should he have pitted though is the question.

Good point.

[tifosi1993]

Unfortunately for you, this question was already asked to him yesterday and he profoundly dismissed the idea.

Vettel to Sky Germany: "I didn't feel comfortable at all. There must be something. Can't be that we made a step back overnight."

And it has already started. Now Herr Vettel is implying that evil Ferrari is doing "something" to his car. :lol

Come on Binotto, grow some cojones and kick this useless German out of the team and bring in Sainz Jr early. And Mclaren can bring Ricciardo early and Renault get's Alonso this year. Everyone wins.

[Liscia]

Leclerc deserves all the support we can give him! He delivers! FORZA CHARLES!!! FORZA FERRARI!!!

[patrese86]

Good result for Charles. Funny seeing the Mercs both suffer delaminations. Sure Fuher Wolff will make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Peter De La Mar]

Every driver tries to get back to the pits with a puncture.....should he have pitted though is the question.

He was on the last lap, he would have won in the pit lane anyway. Schumacher did this years ago when he served a time penalty on the last lap in the pits and won.

[Greig]

He was on the last lap, he would have won in the pit lane anyway. Schumacher did this years ago when he served a time penalty on the last lap in the pits and won.

Max was only 5 seconds behind....

[Peter De La Mar]

As I said, Alonso of 2007 wasn't the Alonso of 2010-2018. Alonso of 2010-2018 would come out ahead of current Hamilton, if both had equal cars.

Too bad we never got see prime Alonso in the fastest car.

So you’re comparing a 2010-2018 Alonso with a 2007 Hamilton. Not sure why anyone would do this, do you think Hamilton hasn’t also improved as a driver in the last 13 years?

[Peter De La Mar]

Max was only 5 seconds behind....

Probably quicker to get into the pit lane than manoeuvre Vale on 3 wheels. The entry is right next to it, having raced at Silverstone there is time as the speed limit line is quite far down.

[Greig]

Probably quicker to get into the pit lane than manoeuvre Vale on 3 wheels. The entry is right next to it, having raced at Silverstone there is time as the speed limit line is quite far down.

Probably not quicker.

[330 p4]

Next week softer tyres and 10 degrees hotter.....Merc will arrange that only the hard tyre can be used at 40psi and all teams must pit on lap 20 and 40.

[Peter De La Mar]

Probably not quicker.

Probably close, certainly doable with a 5 second cushion. The point is moot anyway as what Lewis did is perfectly legal, not even RB and Horner are moaning.

[Greig]

Probably close, certainly doable with a 5 second cushion. The point is moot anyway as what Lewis did is perfectly legal, not even RB and Horner are moaning.

Is it legal? can you quote the rules please. Pretty sure the rules are if you have mechanical damage you have to pull over or pit?

[Peter De La Mar]

It wasn’t mechanical damage, it was just a flat tyre that wasn’t shedding debris. If it was shedding debris then he’d have to pull over. I can maybe recall one instance of a damaged car being limped home that was black-flagged or given a penalty.

[paolo lalli]

Like I have said before I do not rate Hamilton put him in another car that sook. Charles would wipe the floor with that guy in the same team.The best f1 driver on the grid currently is Charles fast good looks has it all.FIA will dump Hamilton f1 has it's poster boy, and he needs no chains around his neck.

[Greig]

It wasn’t mechanical damage, it was just a flat tyre that wasn’t shedding debris. If it was shedding debris then he’d have to pull over. I can maybe recall one instance of a damaged car being limped home that was black-flagged or given a penalty.

Because they pit maybe? he went past the pitlane.....

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, let's say Charles was leading and had a puncture and Hamilton was in second 5s adrift. Anyone believing Charles would've escaped not pulling into the pits without a penalty must be smoking some really funny stuff :wave

[Peter De La Mar]

Because they pit maybe? he went past the pitlane.....

Again, not an issue. Have a read yourself, page 36. I can’t find a section for it. The race director could have black-flagged him if it wasn’t the last lap, but it was.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2020_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_10_-_2020-07-29.pdf

A quick google suggests that this has precedence with Fittipaldi in ‘72.

[WS6TransAm01]

Podium is midfield is it....haha must hurt you to see.

It was luck, and not merit Tinkerbell. How far back was Charles at the 40 lap mark despite two safety cars? He was basically leading the midfield. If not for the safety cars Charles would have been a full minute behind at the line.

Stop pretending like this result is indicative of performance. Are you really that simple?

[KimiBot]

1 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 88
2 Bottas FIN Mercedes 58
3 Verstappen NED Red Bull Racing Honda 52
4 Norris GBR McLaren Renault 36
5 Leclerc MON Ferrari 33
6 Albon THA Red Bull Racing Honda 26
7 Perez MEX Racing Point BWT Mercedes 22
8 Stroll CAN Racing Point BWT Mercedes 20
9 Ricciardo AUS Renault 20
10 Sainz ESP McLaren Renault 15
11 Ocon FRA Renault 12
12 Gasly FRA AlphaTauri Honda 12
13 Vettel GER Ferrari 10
14 Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
15 Kvyat RUS AlphaTauri Honda 1
16 Magnussen DEN Haas Ferrari 1
17 Latifi CAN Williams Mercedes 0
18 Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 0
19 Russell GBR Williams Mercedes 0
20 Grosjean FRA Haas Ferrari 0

[Peter De La Mar]

I guess the acid test is if the car passes Parc Fermè inspection due to ride height or plank wear?

[Greig]

It was luck, and not merit Tinkerbell. How far back was Charles at the 40 lap mark despite two safety cars? He was basically leading the midfield. If not for the safety cars Charles would have been a full minute behind at the line.

Stop pretending like this result is indicative of performance. Are you really that simple?

Charles was P3, cry about it if you want.

[Greig]

It was luck, and not merit Tinkerbell. How far back was Charles at the 40 lap mark despite two safety cars? He was basically leading the midfield. If not for the safety cars Charles would have been a full minute behind at the line.

Stop pretending like this result is indicative of performance. Are you really that simple?

Charles was P3, cry about it if you want.

[Greig]

Again, not an issue. Have a read yourself, page 36. I can’t find a section for it. The race director could have black-flagged him if it wasn’t the last lap, but it was.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2020_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_10_-_2020-07-29.pdf

A quick google suggests that this has precedence with Fittipaldi in ‘72.

LOL using something from 1972 is maybe stretching things somewhat to defend it.......

[Peter De La Mar]

Wasn’t using it to defend it, as it doesn’t need defending, but thought it an interesting discussion point. I also see Schumacher won with damaged suspension at Imola.

How long does Parc Fermè take?

[evo_spook]

1 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 88
2 Bottas FIN Mercedes 58
3 Verstappen NED Red Bull Racing Honda 52
4 Norris GBR McLaren Renault 36
5 Leclerc MON Ferrari 33
6 Albon THA Red Bull Racing Honda 26
7 Perez MEX Racing Point BWT Mercedes 22
8 Stroll CAN Racing Point BWT Mercedes 20
9 Ricciardo AUS Renault 20
10 Sainz ESP McLaren Renault 15
11 Ocon FRA Renault 12
12 Gasly FRA AlphaTauri Honda 12
13 Vettel GER Ferrari 10
14 Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
15 Kvyat RUS AlphaTauri Honda 1
16 Magnussen DEN Haas Ferrari 1
17 Latifi CAN Williams Mercedes 0
18 Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 0
19 Russell GBR Williams Mercedes 0
20 Grosjean FRA Haas Ferrari 0
suprised Norris is above charles

[Greig]

suprised Norris is above charles

Charles killing himself and Seb helps that :-D Norris is doing very well also though.

[Lesky]

Remember that the top 3 waited one more lap to pit under the SC. If they had pitted on the same lap as the others? Would Mercs failures have happened earlier and what could have happened?

[Warp]

Car is really slow. I think our tyre wear is terrible too. Ricciardo almost caught Leclerc.

[ferrari1.8t]

So status quo I guess, no investigation on golden boy. Surprised Horner didn’t raise a stink...he could get Verstappen a win.

[KimiBot]

1 Mercedes 146
2 Red Bull Racing Honda 78
3 McLaren Renault 51
4 Ferrari 43
5 Racing Point BWT Mercedes 42
6 Renault 32
7 AlphaTauri Honda 13
8 Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
9 Haas Ferrari 1
10 Williams Mercedes 0

[F2008]

Great to see Leclerc scoring another podium, so glad that Ferrari gave him a try last year.

[JPZ]

Congratulations to Leclerc, another near miraculous podium.

[JPZ]

Like I have said before I do not rate Hamilton put him in another car that sook. Charles would wipe the floor with that guy in the same team.The best f1 driver on the grid currently is Charles fast good looks has it all.FIA will dump Hamilton f1 has it's poster boy, and he needs no chains around his neck.

Even my girlfriend said 'oh wow, he is handsome!' when I pointed out Leclerc as the new Ferrari driver. :lol

He has got it all, definitely great poster boy for the sport.

[Nick Singer]

Well, that was both predictable and boring.. until the wheels fell off both Mercs!

1) Sadly, as ever, Saint Lewis of Shamilton (PBUH) gets the rub of the green and wins.

2) Our car is pretty bl**dy awful and despite our £££ and resources we are now AT BEST the 4th best team behind Mercs, RBR and the McMowers. The pink Mercs are a flash in the pan, IMHO.

3) LEC is a top lad. SCs etc, blah, blah but he still finished 3rd in a clown car! Must be having second thoughts about that 5-year contract!

4) VET doesn't give a **** any more. Fact. The team did not behave professionally when getting rid of him so not that surprised.

I'll always support the Ferrari F1 team, as I have since 1979, but as an organisation, it could not currently, as we say, 'organise a ***-up in a brewery'..

Sad days.

[evo_spook]

Remember that the top 3 waited one more lap to pit under the SC. If they had pitted on the same lap as the others? Would Mercs failures have happened earlier and what could have happened?

It is not conclusive if it is tyre wear or debris from Kimi

[Liscia]

Charles did the very best that could be expected from the cards he was dealt (the car/team), the circumstances encountered during the race and the luck that came his way (if there is such a thing as luck?). Hamilton and Verstappen did better. We have an excellent driver but we need better cards!

[wisepie]

Well, that was both predictable and boring.. until the wheels fell off both Mercs!

1) Sadly, as ever, Saint Lewis of Shamilton (PBUH) gets the rub of the green and wins.

2) Our car is pretty bl**dy awful and despite our £££ and resources we are now AT BEST the 4th best team behind Mercs, RBR and the McMowers. The pink Mercs are a flash in the pan, IMHO.

3) LEC is a top lad. SCs etc, blah, blah but he still finished 3rd in a clown car! Must be having second thoughts about that 5-year contract!

4) VET doesn't give a **** any more. Fact. The team did not behave professionally when getting rid of him so not that surprised.

I'll always support the Ferrari F1 team, as I have since 1979, but as an organisation, it could not currently, as we say, 'organise a ***-up in a brewery'..

Sad days.

Couldn't have put it better myself, and I'd add that Charles is more than a top lad but also our saviour from total embarrassment so far this season.:roll

[Liscia]

Well, that was both predictable and boring.. until the wheels fell off both Mercs!

1) Sadly, as ever, Saint Lewis of Shamilton (PBUH) gets the rub of the green and wins.

2) Our car is pretty bl**dy awful and despite our £££ and resources we are now AT BEST the 4th best team behind Mercs, RBR and the McMowers. The pink Mercs are a flash in the pan, IMHO.

3) LEC is a top lad. SCs etc, blah, blah but he still finished 3rd in a clown car! Must be having second thoughts about that 5-year contract!

4) VET doesn't give a **** any more. Fact. The team did not behave professionally when getting rid of him so not that surprised.

I'll always support the Ferrari F1 team, as I have since 1979, but as an organisation, it could not currently, as we say, 'organise a ***-up in a brewery'..

Sad days.

Well put and I agree on all points though I've been a Ferrari fan since 1953 - I was 8 years old when Ascari had his stellar year!

[Peter De La Mar]

Well, that was both predictable and boring.. until the wheels fell off both Mercs!

1) Sadly, as ever, Saint Lewis of Shamilton (PBUH) gets the rub of the green and wins.

2) Our car is pretty bl**dy awful and despite our £££ and resources we are now AT BEST the 4th best team behind Mercs, RBR and the McMowers. The pink Mercs are a flash in the pan, IMHO.

3) LEC is a top lad. SCs etc, blah, blah but he still finished 3rd in a clown car! Must be having second thoughts about that 5-year contract!

4) VET doesn't give a **** any more. Fact. The team did not behave professionally when getting rid of him so not that surprised.

I'll always support the Ferrari F1 team, as I have since 1979, but as an organisation, it could not currently, as we say, 'organise a ***-up in a brewery'..

Sad days.

Agree with all this.

[Peter De La Mar]

No mention of tyres in the post-race scruntineer report.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2020%20British%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Race%20scrutineering.pdf

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc was very competitive in sector 1 and average in sector 3, but he lost an awful amount of time in sector 2. Even the Mclarens and Renaults were faster cars than Ferrari in sector 2. And looking at Ferrari's RW (and all Ferrari powered cars) compared to other cars, it wasn't surprising.

I think aero wise, Ferrari made a step forward. But the engine is so much down on power, they can't do anything but to shed downforce from the car, which is also reducing tyre performance during the race.

[SS454]

I have never liked the point for fastest lap. Not only does it manufacture a super fast lap time that is unrepresentative to actual race pace, it takes away from potential on track racing. I couldn't believe Red Bull pitted Max with 2 laps to go when they knew Hamilton had tire issues and Bottas just had a failure. Even if Max had his own issues, they should have kept him out and gone for the win.

Leclerc is probably driver of the day. Unfortunately completely low key, and in a car that is abysmal, but somehow held 4th for most of the race, and lucked into a podium.

What a shame for Nico Hulkemburg. I was looking forward to seeing him race. Very strange that an F1 team can't start their own car on race day.

Should Lewis have driven the car on a flat tire? 100% yes. I've always seen cars drive to the pits even with tires shooting bits of rubber and carbon all of the track. It's shocking the tire didn't do any damage to the Merc. Even Carlos' tire deflation looked to be damaging.

[paolo lalli]

Seb the easiest 40 million he will ever earn no pressure no care no stress just easy cash basically to have fun and report problems how good is that.Ferrari could have raffles his seat off.He should have been paid out not a good look.

[KimiBot]

Seb the easiest 40 million he will ever earn no pressure no care no stress just easy cash basically to have fun and report problems how good is that.Ferrari could have raffles his seat off.He should have been paid out not a good look.

like I said, bosses are doing bad business, also Binotto did try to make some kind of joke when Seb was fired, not a gentleman either this Binotto I have to say

[Brembo]

Lewis wins driving home on 3 tires! He for sure wanted those points to get safely ahead of the other Merc . Ferrari gets a podium!! Charles got every ounce of good out of his car! Max has to be in shock that Lewis won on 3 tires!

[Stormsearcher]

Fairly entertaining race. Silverstone always has some sort of drama. Of course nothing compared to last years race, but the midfield fights were fun to watch and the last couple of laps was terrific.
Lewis is a seriously lucky man. Not to take away any credit from him, but that was a huge serving of luck of when and where he got his tyre failure. Max pitting before that. Anyways, looking like a record equaling 7 titles for LH by end of this season.
LEC once again making the most of our package. That kid is amazing. So glad we have him in our team.
Seb vettel should ideally sit it out rest of the season. Even a reserve driver can get the results he is getting right now. I dont blame him as such, i can imagine he has no motivation to fight anymore. not at Ferrari at least.

[Warp]

It wasn't entertaining for me. Only the latest few laps were interesting because of the punctures. Just a packed midfield because Grosjean slowed down everyone.

[stefa]

It wasn't entertaining for me. Only the latest few laps were interesting because of the punctures. Just a packed midfield because Grosjean slowed down everyone.

Absolutely

[Brembo]

Charles putting Ferrari back on the podium made the race great. So many fans didn't even expect Ferrari in the top 10. There's hope for the season! Forget Binotto's 2023 expectations.

[Greig]

What did everyone think of the penalty for Albon? to me it seemed rather harsh.

[stefa]

What did everyone think of the penalty for Albon? to me it seemed rather harsh.

Me also! On some occasions judges are pretty harsh. This is supposed to be racing. With penalties like this, there will be no racing...

[nani_s23]

Yeah it was K-Mag who lost his car over kerb & was going or not in control with car where albon found the opportunity to pass. Don’t think it’s a penalty, just a racing incident.

[JPZ]

What did everyone think of the penalty for Albon? to me it seemed rather harsh.

Seemed unnecessary.

[Stormsearcher]

What did everyone think of the penalty for Albon? to me it seemed rather harsh.

Not just harsh, think it was wrongly attributed to albon. It was Kmags fault. Hes done exactly this once before. Brazil 2019 i think. Hes quite a reckless driver, with no respect for his fellow pilots. A disaster waiting to happen.

[paolo lalli]

Albion is having a real good baptism into f1 he just needs to keep his head down and keep rolling along results will come.

[Submanf1]

With regulations standing still for next season, if it has 20 races or more I would fully expect to see Hamilton as an 8 time world champion and on at least 100 wins. He’ll equal Schumacher and break his 91 wins easily this year. Only unreliability and Bottas having major luck would stop that so unlikely.

[jgonzalesm6]

So it looks like Seb could be joining Aston Martin F1 in 2021.

Seb was seen bumping elbows with Lawrence Stroll as they walked by each other.

After the race, Seb got into Otmar Szafnauer's 488 Pista....passenger side.

[KimiBot]

So it looks like Seb could be joining Aston Martin F1 in 2021.

Seb was seen bumping elbows with Lawrence Stroll as they walked by each other.

After the race, Seb got into Otmar Szafnauer's 488 Pista....passenger side.

and Kimi was angry all week end, maybe he did get news that Perez takes his seat, ...just guessing

[Stormsearcher]

With regulations standing still for next season, if it has 20 races or more I would fully expect to see Hamilton as an 8 time world champion and on at least 100 wins. He’ll equal Schumacher and break his 91 wins easily this year. Only unreliability and Bottas having major luck would stop that so unlikely.

This is a forgone conclusion! LH will own all records before he retires.

[Hornet]

With regulations standing still for next season, if it has 20 races or more I would fully expect to see Hamilton as an 8 time world champion and on at least 100 wins. He’ll equal Schumacher and break his 91 wins easily this year. Only unreliability and Bottas having major luck would stop that so unlikely.

I'm already prepared for the possibility that Merc will win all races next season. They are just way too far ahead, more than we've ever seen.
WDC is already a foregone conclusion, Lewis will take this year and next's title.

At this point, I'm just watching to cheer on Ferrari for whatever result we can get, and because I love watching fast cars.
I don't expect any WDC competition in these 2 years

[Brembo]

Great post; Hornet ! I also still look forward to the F-1 races. The fighting up front is still there until the very finish. Merc almost finished with no points ! Ferrari got a podium ! Lewis finishing 1st. on 3 tires was for sure something to watch for every second till the end.