SpanishGP 2020: Practices and Qualifying

[jgonzalesm6]

All 3 days will be hot.

Pirelli brings the "hardest" tires.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari opens the engine covers in the rear for cooling.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/YW7zpQKY/s6/ferrari-sf1000-rear-detail-1.jpg



Racing Point with high downforce rear wing

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[PURE PASSION]

Aero rakes on Charles's car today

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[tifosi1993]

Early days but our sector 3 time is looking quite good.

Ricciardo on softs: 27.275

Hamilton on hards: 27.514

Verstappen on mediums: 27.365

Leclerc on hards: 27.600

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc 1:19.584 on hards right now

Sector 1: 22.476 (not PB)

Sector 2: 29.703 (PB)

Sector 3: 27.405 (PB)

[KimiBot]

All 3 days will be hot.

.

:thumb

[tifosi1993]

Top 10 (sector times)

Bottas 1:16.785 (21.804--28.616--26.309)

Hamilton 1:16.824 (21.792--28.597--26.355)

Verstappen 1:17.724 (22.055--28.881--26.687)

Leclerc 1:17.970 (22.209--28.923--26.718)

Vettel 1:17.981 (22.060--29.085--26.836)

Grosjean 1:18.291 (22.091--29.065--26.991)

Perez 1:18.471 (21.854--29.198--27.329)

Magnussen 1:18.620 (22.169--29.196--27.115)

Stroll 1:18.643 (21.824--29.417--27.398)

Sainz 1:18.733 (22.089--29.282--27.362)

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think we have a good shot at finishing P4 here. Corner speed is more important than anything else. Unlike in Austria or at Silverstone, qualifying is not flat "all the way round" so the grid position should also be better for both cars.

[KimiBot]

Hamilton was not happy with tyres, good start for weekend.

[patrese86]

Don't think there is much to read into with that FP1. Obviously one and two are a no brainer but hopefully we can be competitive outside those positions.

[Silent Bob]

We need Super Max to show up and give Hammy some nerves. Would be nice to see Leclerc hampering him too.

[Jax]

Imagine being slower then a HaaS :D

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc did personal best sector 3 on his second soft tyre lap, Vettel did personal best sector 2 and 3. Bit surprising tbh, because we are the only one doing personal best on the second flying lap.

[gump1480]

So we are now behind the Renault and Haas as well !! Are we again going for a different setup to others to execute one less pit stop ??? But at Spain track position is very very important.

[tifosi1993]

Both Lec and Vet having traffics to deal with.

[gump1480]

How is the pace now for Lec? I think he had a pitstop.

[tifosi1993]

How is the pace now for Lec? I think he had a pitstop.

He had a pitstop, but the live timing is showing him on old softs.

And he pits again. Now on mediums.

[PURE PASSION]

Any backup about our "pace" ??

[tifosi1993]

Any backup about our "pace" ??

Long run

Leclerc: average pace on softs, good pace on mediums.

Vettel: atrocious pace on mediums, respectable pace on softs.

[PURE PASSION]

Long run

Leclerc: average pace on softs, good pace on mediums.

Vettel: atrocious pace on mediums, respectable pace on softs.

Thanks!!

[tifosi1993]

FP2 Top 10 (Best sectors)

Hamilton: 21.832--28.513--26.529 (1:16.883)

Bottas: 21.858--28.675--26.599 (1:17.170)

Verstappen: 21.782--28.951--26.952 (1:17.704)

Ricciardo: 21.868--29.091--26.909 (1:17.868)

Grosjean: 21.936--29.126--27.032 (1:18.133)

Leclerc: 22.051--28.895--27.088 (1:18.147)

Sainz: 21.923--29.148--27.143 (1:18.214)

Perez: 21.900--29.177--27.216 (1:18.293)

Ocon: 22.009--29.165--27.129 (1:18.303)

Gasly: 22.024--29.229--27.059 (1:18.312)

[ntukza]

Any explanation for why Albon is consistently languishing way behind his teammate?

[wisepie]

It shows how Merc's domination has wrecked F1 by the low number of posts on this thread, even a tifoso has trouble getting excited about the current state of affairs. All is not lost, though, we have Charles and probably expect him to deliver the impossible, he'll give it his best but P6 in FP2 doesn't inspire confidence.:roll

[chinmay]

Spanish GP could be Vettel's last race with Ferrari. Kimi Raikkonen or Nico Hulkenberg will replace Vettel in Belgian Grand Prix if these rumors are true.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc on mediums: 22.274--29.392--27.269 (1:18.950)

Bottas on softs: 22.053--28.777--27.141 (1:17.971)

Hamilton on softs: 21.963--29.118--27.094 (1:18.077)

Verstappen on softs: 22.136--29.118--26.906 (1:18.160)

[tifosi1993]

Spanish GP could be Vettel's last race with Ferrari. Kimi Raikkonen or Nico Hulkenberg will replace Vettel in Belgian Grand Prix if these rumors are true.

It won't do any harm to Ferrari. I'd say put Hulk in that car, and get the same or even better results, while paying him 10 times the less than Vettel.

[PURE PASSION]

Results and feedback???!!
I'm on the beach !!!!:-D

[tifosi1993]

FP3 (Top 10)

Hamilton: 21.830--28.505--26.887 (1:17.222)

Bottas: 21.954--28.589--26.830 (1:17.373)

Verstappen: 21.969--28.669--26.906 (1:17.737)

Sainz: 21.786--29.049--27.211 (1:18.046)

Perez: 21.790--29.042--27.264 (1:18.096)

Leclerc: 22.123--28.981--27.089 (1:18.193)

Gasly: 21.893--29.124--27.194 (1:18.211)

Stroll: 21.789--28.902--27.319 (1:18.309)

Albon: 21.904--28.926--27.210 (1:18.371)

Ricciardo: 21.936--29.242--27.206 (1:18.384)

Lack of power is really hammering us in sector 1.

[PURE PASSION]

Lets see but find it difficult to take 4th place on the grid. Its really close but.....

[Peter De La Mar]

At least Seb has reduced the gap to Charles from .6 to .5 with his new chassis.

[stefa]

Results and feedback???!!
I'm on the beach !!!!:-D

Bad as usual. Enjoy your tine at the beach!

[ferrari1.8t]

New chassis for Vettel, same results. Nearly 6 tenths back from Charles.

[458 Italia]

Get yourselves on a stream of the WEC at Spa, great early racing from the Ferrari cars in wet conditions.

[KimiBot]

---BREAKING NEWS---
Hamilton is not going to get new contract, Mercs will hire Seb for next year, and after that they will quit. Hamilton made big mistakes with this BLM thing and also Mercs want to show that it is not the driver, it is the car.

[Schumiklub]

---BREAKING NEWS---
Hamilton is not going to get new contract, Mercs will hire Seb for next year, and after that they will quit. Hamilton made big mistakes with this BLM thing and also Mercs want to show that it is not the driver, it is the car.

LOL, like that’s ever going to happen.


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[KimiBot]

Ocon did not look good in FP3, can not understand that.

[tifosi1993]

Old man Raikkonen still got it.

[nani_s23]

---BREAKING NEWS---
Hamilton is not going to get new contract, Mercs will hire Seb for next year, and after that they will quit. Hamilton made big mistakes with this BLM thing and also Mercs want to show that it is not the driver, it is the car.

:rotfl never gonna happen

[tifosi1993]

First time Ferrari has gone below 22.0 in the sector 1. Leclerc 21.807, Vettel 21.734

[nani_s23]

First time Ferrari has gone below 22.0 in the sector 1. Leclerc 21.807, Vettel 21.734

So it seems ferrari holding back in FP’s?

[nani_s23]

#AMuS The Ferrari engine case was a warning to the FIA. The FIA only found out about the trick when a competitor provided information about it. Now there are apparently again doubts about at least one of the four power units!

[nani_s23]

#AMuS The FIA has asked engine manufacturers to provide detailed information on the ERS architecture, as well as drawings and 3D-CAD views of all auxiliary circuits not belonging to the high-voltage circuit, by 21 August. In case of doubt, physical checks would be carried out.

[tifosi1993]

#AMuS The FIA has asked engine manufacturers to provide detailed information on the ERS architecture, as well as drawings and 3D-CAD views of all auxiliary circuits not belonging to the high-voltage circuit, by 21 August. In case of doubt, physical checks would be carried out.

Well.... Mercedes have made a huge step forward with their engine. Lets see....:Hmm

[Schumiklub]

#AMuS The Ferrari engine case was a warning to the FIA. The FIA only found out about the trick when a competitor provided information about it. Now there are apparently again doubts about at least one of the four power units!

So, somebody leaked the information from within Ferrari to a competitor. Wonderful. Not a surprise then that we can’t make any headway in the challenge for the championship. Competition already knows our next move.


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[Schumiklub]

Well.... Mercedes have made a huge step forward with their engine. Lets see....:Hmm

I assume it would be Mercedes, they’re the only ones who really stand out.


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[tifosi1993]

I assume it would be Mercedes, they’re the only ones who really stand out.


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Yup...in power sensitive sectors, they are at least 4-5 tenths quicker than last year.

[tifosi1993]

Sector one is again turning out to be a problem. Car is pretty quick in sector 2 and 3, but we are giving away 3-5 tenths in the sector 1.

But that is to be expected, since the engine is down on power.

[Vettel165]

Seb out of q2 surely. His fan but he is just slow. Shame.

How the mighty have fallen. Charles is young and just faster at this stage.

[Schumiklub]

Sector one is again turning out to be a problem. Car is pretty quick in sector 2 and 3, but we are giving away 3-5 tenths in the sector 1.

But that is to be expected, since the engine is down on power.

Charles screwed up in S1, he was 4 tenths slower than Seb. He could have been right up there with Max.


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[tifosi1993]

Seb out of q2 surely. His fan but he is just slow. Shame.

Well its not over yet. But yeah....

It's not about pace, it's about adaptability. Anyone can win titles with an absolute rocket ship, only handful can drag a poor car to good positions. To me, adaptability separates the great from the good.

That's why, I would never consider Vettel to be one of the greatest, even if he had won 10 world titles.

[tifosi1993]

Charles screwed up in S1, he was 4 tenths slower than Seb. He could have been right up there with Max.


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Nope, Leclerc did 21.911, Vettel did 21.824

[Schumiklub]

Nope, Leclerc did 21.911, Vettel did 21.824

Hm, live timing shows Seb with 21.6 and Charles with 21.8 in S1 for Q2


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[tifosi1993]

Leclerc P8. Vettel P11

[nani_s23]

Good job Mattia by producing super car this season.

[tifosi1993]

Good job Mattia by producing super car this season.

Car is competitive in sector 2 and 3. Lets compare TP with Charles: 28.383 (Stroll) vs 28.366 in the sector 2, 26.722 (Perez) vs 26.676 in the sector 3.

But Stroll is doing 21.398 in the first sector, where Charles could only manage 21.803. The main problem is the PU.

[nani_s23]

Car is competitive in sector 2 and 3. Lets compare TP with Charles: 28.383 (Stroll) vs 28.366 in the sector 2, 26.722 (Perez) vs 26.676 in the sector 3.

But Stroll is doing 21.398 in the first sector, where Charles could only manage 21.803. The main problem is the PU.

I think we went with high DF set up, which is the way on this track to protect tyres in race. That’s the reason I see .4ths deficit S1 alone.

[tifosi1993]

I think we went with high DF set up, which is the way on this track to protect tyres in race. That’s the reason I see .4ths deficit S1 alone.

Nobody will run low DF setup here. Look at everyone's RW, none of them are running skinny RW wings.

Sector 1 is all about engine power.

[nani_s23]

Great job by sainz, new PU & chassis to him.

[tifosi1993]

The Merc PU unleashed. That party mode ban can't come soon enough.

[Schumiklub]

1.7 seconds slower then Mercedes, wow. Their party mode is really powerful. I can’t wait for it to get banned.


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[nani_s23]

Oh my god full ferrari 1.7sec down on Mercs :-E

[PURE PASSION]

It's not just that we are 1,7 behind Merc.we are 1s behind MAX!!!!!! And 7th so really bad !!!!!

[Noquarter]

Leclerc on old tires in first run

[Warp]

Leclerc on old tires in first run

Source ?

[Silent Bob]

---BREAKING NEWS---
Hamilton is not going to get new contract, Mercs will hire Seb for next year, and after that they will quit. Hamilton made big mistakes with this BLM thing and also Mercs want to show that it is not the driver, it is the car.

Cool. Ham and wolf to RP then. Vettel retires or goes to Merc.

[Schumiklub]

Crap, only P9 for Charles. Hoping for good tire management tomorrow!


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[tifosi1993]

Charles P9. that was our maximum.

But I'm confident of Charles's race pace, it's better than the likes of Albon and Mclarens, maybe TP as well.

[killer]

Crap, only P9 for Charles. Hoping for good tire management tomorrow!

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Did he get a second run in?

[WS6TransAm01]

Ferrari doing their best to drop down the order over the year. Like clockwork.


The Merc PU unleashed. That party mode ban can't come soon enough.

Oh yeah, that way Ferrari will only be down 1.2 seconds to Pole instead of 1.7. World of difference!

[Schumiklub]

Did he get a second run in?

Yeah, but still 1.5 behind Mercedes. And it was really close. Norris only 0.003 in front of Charles in P8.


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[PURE PASSION]

Oohhh god !!!! How is this year gonna pass???!!!!!
Can't see every single race to be middlefield !!!!!
Its SO HARD !!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari doing their best to drop down the order over the year. Like clockwork.



Oh yeah, that way Ferrari will only be down 1.2 seconds to Pole instead of 1.7. World of difference!

Certainly not to you, and it's not that surprising either.

[chinmay]

Cool. Ham and wolf to RP then. Vettel retires or goes to Merc.

You do realize he is joking, right? If they signed Bottas, why wouldn't they sign Hamilton? Why would Wolff want to leave Mercedes? And why would Mercedes want to leave? They are the best team and is winning titles, they are proving that they are the king of motorsports and of engine and chassis. Winner never leaves unless your name is Rosberg.

[killer]

Yeah, but still 1.5 behind Mercedes. And it was really close. Norris only 0.003 in front of Charles in P8.

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OK. I thought I saw him pit in front of Lewis. He was also complaining about “some weird behavior” of the car as he came out for the second run.

[Warp]

Leclerc: Some weird behavior with the engine..

[patrese86]

At this point i can only hope we went with the worst possible quali setup in order to have good race pace

[458 Italia]

Oh dear...

[tifosi1993]

Last year Vettel did 21.284 in the sector 1, this year Leclerc 21.778. And unlike the aero, the engine power is important in every sector. So Ferrari is giving away at least 4-5 tenths every where. Which does explain the gap and our current position.

They can improve the aero with new parts, but no amount of new aero parts will make up for that power deficit.

[patrese86]

Last year Vettel did 21.284 in the sector 1, this year Leclerc 21.771. And unlike the aero, the engine power is important in every sector. So Ferrari is giving away at least 4-5 tenths every where. Which does explain the gap and our current position.

They can improve the aero with new parts, but no amount of new aero parts will make up for that power deficit.

Do you have the numbers for last year sector's?

We have certainly gone backwards, we all know that but the fact Mercedes have taken another step forwards really hurts. I'd rather measure our performance relative to last year than what we see this year with our opponents. Because before we beat them we have to find at least parity with last year first.

[tifosi1993]

Do you have the numbers for last year sector's?

We have certainly gone backwards, we all know that but the fact Mercedes have taken another step forwards really hurts. I'd rather measure our performance relative to last year than what we see this year with our opponents. Because before we beat them we have to find at least parity with last year first.

SF90:
Sector 1: 21.284 (Vettel)
Sector 2: 28.357 (Vettel)
Sector 3: 26.513 (Leclerc)

SF1000 (Leclerc):
Sector 1: 21.778
Sector 2: 28.366
Sector 3: 26.676

[tifosi1993]

Qualifying (Top 10):

Hamilton: 21.393--27.959--26.232 (1:15.584)

Bottas: 21.303--27.910--26.372 (1:15.643)

Verstappen: 21.565--28.295--26.414 (1:16.292)

Perez: 21.387--28.334--26.712 (1:16.482)

Stroll: 21.398--28.341--26.703 (1:16.589)

Albon: 21.675--28.485--26.822 (1:17.059)

Sainz: 21.442--28.505--28.856 (1:17.044)

Norris: 21.582--28.578--26.802 (1:17.084)

Leclerc: 21.778--28.366--26.676 (1:17.087)

Gasly: 21.557--28.500--26.743 (1:17.136)

[Warp]

I think Leclerc didn't complete his 2nd FL. He reported some engine issues..

[patrese86]

SF90:
Sector 1: 21.284 (Vettel)
Sector 2: 28.357 (Vettel)
Sector 3: 26.513 (Leclerc)

SF1000 (Leclerc):
Sector 1: 21.778
Sector 2: 28.366
Sector 3: 26.676

Thank you! Mercedes weren't lying when they said we were half a second faster down the straights huh lol

Honestly though i don't know whether i feel better or worse looking at those times...the real kicker here is no matter what we try we aren't going to get that kind of performance back over the next 18 months and that really hurts

[patrese86]

Qualifying (Top 10):

Hamilton: 21.393--27.959--26.232 (1:15.584)

Bottas: 21.303--27.910--26.372 (1:15.643)

Verstappen: 21.565--28.295--26.414 (1:16.292)

Perez: 21.387--28.334--26.712 (1:16.482)

Stroll: 21.398--28.341--26.703 (1:16.589)

Albon: 21.675--28.485--26.822 (1:17.059)

Sainz: 21.442--28.505--28.856 (1:17.044)

Norris: 21.582--28.578--26.802 (1:17.084)

Leclerc: 21.778--28.366--26.676 (1:17.087)

Gasly: 21.557--28.500--26.743 (1:17.136)

How can we be two tenths slower than the ****ing alpha tauri in sector one! (and the renaults!)

this goes far beyond fuel flow regs

[Warp]

How can we be two tenths slower than the ****ing alpha tauri in sector one! (and the renaults!)

this goes far beyond fuel flow regs

No party mode

[stefa]

Ferrari doing their best to drop down the order over the year. Like clockwork.



Oh yeah, that way Ferrari will only be down 1.2 seconds to Pole instead of 1.7. World of difference!

Exacrly! I allready feel better :lol

[stefa]

Oohhh god !!!! How is this year gonna pass???!!!!!
Can't see every single race to be middlefield !!!!!
Its SO HARD !!!!!!

80's

[killer]

At this point i can only hope we went with the worst possible quali setup in order to have good race pace

Worth trying from this point forward, IMO. Forget Q and focus on race pace, tyre selection, and strategy. We will be likely missing out on data collection, though.

[Stormsearcher]

Winner never leaves unless your name is Rosberg.
:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

[killer]

Why would Wolff want to leave Mercedes?

He literally has said Lewis will be fine without him around.

[Stormsearcher]

Charles P9. that was our maximum.

But I'm confident of Charles's race pace, it's better than the likes of Albon and Mclarens, maybe TP as well.

Better than the Mclarens for sure. Maybe even TP. But not Albon. He is much better in the race than at quali.

[Stormsearcher]

---BREAKING NEWS---
Hamilton is not going to get new contract, Mercs will hire Seb for next year, and after that they will quit. Hamilton made big mistakes with this BLM thing and also Mercs want to show that it is not the driver, it is the car.

Is this your wishful thinking? :lol
And what has BLM got to do with this?
Seb is getting hammered by his teammate. I doubt Merc want to hire him in place of LH.

[aroutis]

He literally has said Lewis will be fine without him around.

The thing that Mercedes was pushing to put in the new Concorde agreement was that they want to avoid a fine if they leave before the 5 years.
In short they don't wanna commit.

So Toto apparently feels it's time to go elsewhere (ie. Trashing Point)

[WS6TransAm01]

Certainly not to you, and it's not that surprising either.

So you are going to be happy to see Ferrari “only” 1.2 seconds behind instead of 1.7 seconds? Not because Ferrari gained performance but because others were artificially handicapped? That’s considered an achievement for you? That will make you celebrate? Celebrate mediocrity?

[Stormsearcher]

Spanish GP could be Vettel's last race with Ferrari. Kimi Raikkonen or Nico Hulkenberg will replace Vettel in Belgian Grand Prix if these rumors are true.

That would be a relief. Maybe we will start getting points from the second car then.
BTW- source of rumour?

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari are now at rock bottom. The only way now is up a little at a time the pain and dissapoinment of now must act as the motivation for tomorrow.

[WS6TransAm01]

Ferrari are now at rock bottom. The only way now is up a little at a time the pain and dissapoinment of now must act as the motivation for tomorrow.

Maybe, but there is still a lot of cliff for them to fall down. Remember, they agreed to an engine freeze which effectively kneecaps them for the next year and a half.

The true bottom is 15th and 16th, just ahead of the other two teams with Ferrari engines.

[tifosi1993]

So you are going to be happy to see Ferrari “only” 1.2 seconds behind instead of 1.7 seconds? Not because Ferrari gained performance but because others were artificially handicapped? That’s considered an achievement for you? That will make you celebrate? Celebrate mediocrity?

Who said anything about 1.2 seconds? I don't really know how much Mercedes would lose or how much Ferrari would gain.
According to Vettel, we don't have any party mode, and according to Binotto, we are giving away 7 tenths because of the PU. So an improvement of at least 5-7 tenths is huge without adding anything on the car. But not to you of course.

[tifosi1993]

Thank you! Mercedes weren't lying when they said we were half a second faster down the straights huh lol

Honestly though i don't know whether i feel better or worse looking at those times...the real kicker here is no matter what we try we aren't going to get that kind of performance back over the next 18 months and that really hurts

I wouldn't write off next years engine just yet. Look at the jump Ferrari had made from 2017 to 2018, or Mercedes have made from last year to this year. And look at where Honda and Renault are right now, compared to where they were last year.

[nani_s23]

That would be a relief. Maybe we will start getting points from the second car then.
BTW- source of rumour?

Don’t know why you are so much negative of vettel ...!! He’s still with Ferrari

Below are 2019 stats:

Sebs Quali Stats 2019

Average gap to team mate:
Seb +0.07s

Average place qualified in 2019:
Seb 4.29
Charles 4.43

Yes he can be overrated driver, but not where the gap to his team mate is over .4-7ths. :-)

Something fundamentally wrong on both sides. Anyways my opinion doesn’t change your thinking too :-P
Just a note.

[wisepie]

Charles P9. that was our maximum.

But I'm confident of Charles's race pace, it's better than the likes of Albon and Mclarens, maybe TP as well.

I'd like to think that's true regarding race pace, but what always worries me more is what happens on the opening lap, especially with Seb lining up behind Charles and just being in the middle of the pack is a recipe for things to go wrong, and if it happens the race pace is immaterial. The others all around us have more power, even the Alpha Tauri has been quicker than us in recent races, this is becoming a nightmare for a tifoso.:-E:-s

[stefa]

Who said anything about 1.2 seconds? I don't really know how much Mercedes would lose or how much Ferrari would gain.
According to Vettel, we don't have any party mode, and according to Binotto, we are giving away 7 tenths because of the PU. So an improvement of at least 5-7 tenths is huge without adding anything on the car. But not to you of course.

Actually it is not upgrade, to be fair it is forced downgrade on Mercedes!

[wisepie]

Actually it is not upgrade, to be fair it is forced downgrade on Mercedes!

Can we expect the Merc engine to now get the same sort of treatment as last year's Ferrari? If I have to watch Hamilton stroll to another pole/win, I swear I will smash the TV in frustration, so let's hope their party mode will be banned forthwith for my own sanity!:roll

[nani_s23]

Can we expect the Merc engine to now get the same sort of treatment as last year's Ferrari? If I have to watch Hamilton stroll to another pole/win, I swear I will smash the TV in frustration, so let's hope their party mode will be banned forthwith for my own sanity!:roll

:rotfl but I still feel .... party mode ban will not stop Lewis taking the pole.
Mercs has far superior car.... it’s only the team which has Top DF + Engine.
It’s surprising to me that year by year they are producing huge performance...!!

May be this party mode ban, should bring bottas into play. Somewhere I feel Lewis has some extra mode settings above Bottas :-D wild thought but not sure.

[KimiBot]

Maybe, but there is still a lot of cliff for them to fall down. Remember, they agreed to an engine freeze which effectively kneecaps them for the next year and a half.

The true bottom is 15th and 16th, just ahead of the other two teams with Ferrari engines.

:thumb

[Stormsearcher]

Don’t know why you are so much negative of vettel ...!! He’s still with Ferrari

Below are 2019 stats:

Sebs Quali Stats 2019

Average gap to team mate:
Seb +0.07s

Average place qualified in 2019:
Seb 4.29
Charles 4.43

Yes he can be overrated driver, but not where the gap to his team mate is over .4-7ths. :-)

Something fundamentally wrong on both sides. Anyways my opinion doesn’t change your thinking too :-P
Just a note.

Sorry. Dont care about the stats. The stats also say he is a 4 time champion. blaaah.
He ruined Ferrari for me. I had even stopped coming to the forum almost and didnt care too much about the team during races either.
Always thought he was highly overrated. The last few years have proved it.

Only with coming of Charles, that i can fully support Ferrari again. (yeah i know this wont be a popular opinion, but i am driver first and then team kinda supporter :-D)

[tifosi1993]

I'd like to think that's true regarding race pace, but what always worries me more is what happens on the opening lap, especially with Seb lining up behind Charles and just being in the middle of the pack is a recipe for things to go wrong, and if it happens the race pace is immaterial. The others all around us have more power, even the Alpha Tauri has been quicker than us in recent races, this is becoming a nightmare for a tifoso.:-E:-s

Of course, there is a big chance of Leclerc not surviving turn 1. But unfortunately, there's nothing he can do about it right now. He can be extra cautious, as he was the previous two occasions. But if Leclerc survives turn 1 and remain unscathed after the first lap, then P4 is on the card here.

And I wouldn't worry too much about engine power during the race trim, Q3 mode is only for quaiy. Looking after tyres is more important. In today's F2, Mick started on hards, but by lap 16, his tyres were pretty much gone. And last year with 21 degree Celsius temperature, we had 2 pit stops. And tomorrow is going to be warmer than last year.

[tifosi1993]

Charles isn't happy with his P9, he says the car gained more understeer as the qualy session progressed. Of course, it's naive to predict the setup of a F1 car without the proper tools and data. But I'd say, Ferrari have gone pretty stiff at the front.

A stiffer front will induce understeer at low fuel, but on high fuel load it will protect the rear tyres, which will improve the race pace. Our cornering speed is certainly better than the likes of Mclarens, TPs. And Albon isn't anything special, so Charles can get P4 tomorrow. But it will require luck and good strategy from Ferrari, and knowing our pit wall, I'm not that confident about tomorrow.

[Alonsomaniac]

Hi Stormsearcher.....and other old members of course. My thoughts were the same as yours......stopped posting the moment Vettel came. Visisted the forum from time to time to read something and always kept an eye at Ferrari, but Vettel......no no no.
And indeed, Leclerc is a different kind of driver. A Ferrari hearted passionate but also clever driver. Feel sorry for him Ferrari is not where it belongs now, but if there is a driver who can even keep the passion alive in bad times, it's Charles.
So, I have started following Ferrari much closer again and also decided to come back to the forum.
Hope the old guys here will still have me...........

[JHAMMER]

You do realize he is joking, right? If they signed Bottas, why wouldn't they sign Hamilton? Why would Wolff want to leave Mercedes? And why would Mercedes want to leave? They are the best team and is winning titles, they are proving that they are the king of motorsports and of engine and chassis. Winner never leaves unless your name is Rosberg.

Or you sell team like BRAWN

[Greig]

Hi Stormsearcher.....and other old members of course. My thoughts were the same as yours......stopped posting the moment Vettel came. Visisted the forum from time to time to read something and always kept an eye at Ferrari, but Vettel......no no no.
And indeed, Leclerc is a different kind of driver. A Ferrari hearted passionate but also clever driver. Feel sorry for him Ferrari is not where it belongs now, but if there is a driver who can even keep the passion alive in bad times, it's Charles.
So, I have started following Ferrari much closer again and also decided to come back to the forum.
Hope the old guys here will still have me...........

:thumb

[JHAMMER]

:thumb
How many people you think would quit posting if Hamilton came to FERRRARI?

On second thought probably be more posts because of the dislike for Hamilton.

[WS6TransAm01]

Who said anything about 1.2 seconds? I don't really know how much Mercedes would lose or how much Ferrari would gain.
According to Vettel, we don't have any party mode, and according to Binotto, we are giving away 7 tenths because of the PU. So an improvement of at least 5-7 tenths is huge without adding anything on the car. But not to you of course.

It’s not an improvement on Ferrari’s part. Artificially slowing someone else down isn’t Ferrari improving its performance.its dumbing someone else down. Ferrari gains nothing, they gain no performance, they just don’t look as bad against Merc.

Even Is Merc is slowed down by .7 today it would still leave Ferrari nearly 1 Second down. That is nothing to celebrate.

It’s a losers mentality.

Looks, we aren’t terrible anymore, we’re just bad. Woo hoo!

No it’s not huge to me. Second best is first loser. Mediocrity is nothing to be celebrated. It’s to be punished and looked down upon.

[WS6TransAm01]

Actually it is not upgrade, to be fair it is forced downgrade on Mercedes!


Imagine if you’re playing hockey and your team suck something awful. Then the NHL says okay, the players on the other teams are only allowed to wear one skate.

That doesn’t make you better.

[JPMFerrari]

Oh enjoy, another F1 race to watch dominated by Mercedes where the only question is watch Merc driver finishes #1....boring!

[FerrariF60]

Oh enjoy, another F1 race to watch dominated by Mercedes where the only question is watch Merc driver finishes #1....boring!

just thought of something....WE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET LAPPED TOMORROW.....now tha would be bad...

[paolo lalli]

Max for the victory he will keep Mercedes honest, well some body has to.

[Silent Bob]

It’s not an improvement on Ferrari’s part. Artificially slowing someone else down isn’t Ferrari improving its performance.its dumbing someone else down. Ferrari gains nothing, they gain no performance, they just don’t look as bad against Merc.

Even Is Merc is slowed down by .7 today it would still leave Ferrari nearly 1 Second down. That is nothing to celebrate.

It’s a losers mentality.

Looks, we aren’t terrible anymore, we’re just bad. Woo hoo!

No it’s not huge to me. Second best is first loser. Mediocrity is nothing to be celebrated. It’s to be punished and looked down upon.

Unless the ruling body has a suspicion of trickery, then they are just closing a loophole. Merc did the same when we had an engine advantage. They whined and got it detuned. Did they get better by making us slower? Arguably yes because with another 70 hp ferrari could be right up there.

[tifosi1993]

It’s not an improvement on Ferrari’s part. Artificially slowing someone else down isn’t Ferrari improving its performance.its dumbing someone else down. Ferrari gains nothing, they gain no performance, they just don’t look as bad against Merc.

Even Is Merc is slowed down by .7 today it would still leave Ferrari nearly 1 Second down. That is nothing to celebrate.

It’s a losers mentality.

Looks, we aren’t terrible anymore, we’re just bad. Woo hoo!

No it’s not huge to me. Second best is first loser. Mediocrity is nothing to be celebrated. It’s to be punished and looked down upon.

Oh well, I'm not really obsessed with the whole "Winner vs Loser" thing, as yourself and some americans are. "Oooh look at me, Ima a Winner baby"...."Look that guy, he's a complete loser LOL".....that's just silly and nonsense, and more suited to school yards or Hollywood movies, not real world.

And I still don't get why you're so upset about it. If it helps Ferrari somehow, then fine, there's no harm in it.

And the reason is quite simple. Mercedes and Red Bull have opened up a pendulum by consistently complaining about Ferrari's engine mode. And after the NDA, the FIA did say that Ferrari will be helping them on closing other loopholes. The current engine mode ban is part of that deal, and I think more to come in the near future.

But I also don't expect Mercedes to lose all of their performance. It will trim their advantage a bit, but that's about it. The one that will get hurt most are TP and Williams.

[tifosi1993]

Actually it is not upgrade, to be fair it is forced downgrade on Mercedes!

Whatever you call it. But it is good for Ferrari, and I'm all for it.

[DJTaurus]

Are the tyres same with silverstone ?

[Vettel165]

Yeah its Charles who could keep the passion alive. Pathetic post wait for 2 years until they sack him and bring the new guy. Its just the newer ending circle. And the team will blame him as the factor if he doesnt win. Same crap with kimi Seb alonso. Seb a hero in 2015-2018 now a villian. Ferrari wont win for years to come. Mark my words.

[jgonzalesm6]

Are the tyres same with silverstone ?

Which race.....the 1st or 2nd one??

Looking at FP and Quali at Barcelona, I would say these tires are like the 1st Silverstone.....or harder tires.

[DJTaurus]

Which race.....the 1st or 2nd one??

Looking at FP and Quali at Barcelona, I would say these tires are like the 1st Silverstone.....or harder tires.

My point is if the tyres are the same with SS last weeks race and as a result mercs had degradation issues....?

[ntukza]

The thing that Mercedes was pushing to put in the new Concorde agreement was that they want to avoid a fine if they leave before the 5 years.
In short they don't wanna commit.

So Toto apparently feels it's time to go elsewhere (ie. Trashing Point)

I believe one of the major sticking points is the prize money distribution. I read somewhere recently that Ferrari will receive a "legacy" payment every year, and that Mercedes will receive less than it did previously. Curious, what are your thoughts (everyone) on Ferrari earning a bonus for competing while other top team like Mercedes don't. As much as I'm a Ferrari fan, I find this somewhat unfair and problematic.
(I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this discussion either, but here we are.)

[aroutis]

I believe one of the major sticking points is the prize money distribution. I read somewhere recently that Ferrari will receive a "legacy" payment every year, and that Mercedes will receive less than it did previously. Curious, what are your thoughts (everyone) on Ferrari earning a bonus for competing while other top team like Mercedes don't. As much as I'm a Ferrari fan, I find this somewhat unfair and problematic.
(I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this discussion either, but here we are.)You should know that along with Ferrari , Mclaren , Williams , RBR and Renault (?) and Mercedes also get this bonus. Having said that, yes Ferrari is getting a bigger cut because simply they have a bigger legacy and specifically as far as Mercedes goes, they are not long enough in the game after leaving it as a race team to want to get same money to Ferrari.

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