Somebody else cheating ?

[Declan]

Just seen this article :


#AMuS
The FIA has asked engine manufacturers to provide detailed information on the ERS architecture, as well as drawings and 3D-CAD views of all auxiliary circuits not belonging to the high-voltage circuit, by 21 August. In case of doubt, physical checks would be carried out.

So either the FIA has a suspicion or they are just groping in the dark.

I’ve also read they think there is another team cheating hence the checks.


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[Silent Bob]

Not surprising if true. Bet every team looking for advantages. Only engine we know.100 % legal now is Ferrari. Time to start putting sensors everywhere on all engines.

[SS454]

It's about time.

[paolo lalli]

We need an f1 scandal to really spice things up.Would be out of this world if other teams are identified as cheats.

[nani_s23]

Rumour around the paddock is “Merc & Honda are deploying more energy” couple of teams will be submitting the settings of their PU. Two teams tried to manipulate electrical measurements.

[330 p4]

Interesting. Nobody will be punished any drop in performance will be put under the ban on quali modes so everyone saves face. Is the quali mode ban just a front to cover for the drop we may see in performance on some engines. Which team is helping the FIA look for these tricks and stopping them? Is all this why Wolf seems to very much dislike Binotto?

[JPZ]

Interesting. Nobody will be punished any drop in performance will be put under the ban on quali modes so everyone saves face. Is the quali mode ban just a front to cover for the drop we may see in performance on some engines. Which team is helping the FIA look for these tricks and stopping them? Is all this why Wolf seems to very much dislike Binotto?

A way for Ferrari or Binotto to get back at Mercedes for the engine investigation?

[chinmay]

Interesting. Nobody will be punished any drop in performance will be put under the ban on quali modes so everyone saves face. Is the quali mode ban just a front to cover for the drop we may see in performance on some engines. Which team is helping the FIA look for these tricks and stopping them? Is all this why Wolf seems to very much dislike Binotto?

What is the FIA doing then? Literally every time they need to be told that so and so team is running "tricks". It's their job to ensure that no one is running any tricks. If no team told, they won't know till eternity.

[330 p4]

What is the FIA doing then? Literally every time they need to be told that so and so team is running "tricks". It's their job to ensure that no one is running any tricks. If no team told, they won't know till eternity.

True but FIA had no idea what Ferrari may or may not have done, now they have this deal and Ferrari can use it to help themselves some what. Ferrari had things taken maybe the others will and there will be a form of status quo on the engine front. May lead to a somewhat interesting 2021. Engines pulled in line and DAS removed. Engines are clearly so complex all manner of dodgy things can, have and are still going on.

[jgonzalesm6]

The technical directive 036-20 deals mainly with the auxiliary circuits of the energy recovery system.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfsOQkjXsAEPJKC?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfsOQkmWsAAxEnk?format=jpg&name=medium


https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/fia-ers-hybridsystem-untersuchung-f1/

[JPZ]

True but FIA had no idea what Ferrari may or may not have done, now they have this deal and Ferrari can use it to help themselves some what. Ferrari had things taken maybe the others will and there will be a form of status quo on the engine front. May lead to a somewhat interesting 2021. Engines pulled in line and DAS removed. Engines are clearly so complex all manner of dodgy things can, have and are still going on.

Good points. Things could get very interesting.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari working with the fia .This could be the secret settlement.

[SS454]

Rumour around the paddock is “Merc & Honda are deploying more energy” couple of teams will be submitting the settings of their PU. Two teams tried to manipulate electrical measurements.

Seems like one of the easiest things to hide. Mercedes would be smart enough to not record the data of how many KJ's their system uses on a quali lap.

[KimiBot]

The technical directive 036-20 deals mainly with the auxiliary circuits of the energy recovery system.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfsOQkjXsAEPJKC?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfsOQkmWsAAxEnk?format=jpg&name=medium


https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/fia-ers-hybridsystem-untersuchung-f1/

Thanks

[Silent Bob]

Trickery on the ERS system might be the reason Merc dropped their appeal on Ferrari so suddenly. If they forced FIA to disclose Ferrari trick then FIA would have no choice but to make all tricks exposed.

[Liscia]

We can count on the FIA stepping in and muddling the situation further?

[paolo lalli]

Fi engines have more tricks than the great Moscow circus the faster the big top is taken down in f1 the better the sport will become.No tricks no bull ****.

[S1000RR]

Interesting. It is well known Merc deploys the best electrical power. Horner questioned the fastest lap of Bottas in the Spanish GP, although I wouldn't be surprised if Honda could also be involved in this.

I sure hope it is karma for Merc and RBR, working with the FIA over our '19 engine

[Warp]

Interesting. It is well known Merc deploys the best electrical power. Horner questioned the fastest lap of Bottas in the Spanish GP, although I wouldn't be surprised if Honda could also be involved in this.

I sure hope it is karma for Merc and Honda, working with the FIA over our '19 engine

Source please

[S1000RR]

Wednesday 19 August at 10:35 : Aug.19 (GMM) Formula 1 is looking into the legality of the engine manufacturers' 2020-spec energy recovery systems, according to Auto Motor und Sport.

The development follows the shock news in Barcelona last week that 'party mode' engine settings will be banned from Spa-Francorchamps, even though the precise wording of the technical directive is not yet known.

"What is certain is that all four engine manufacturers will have to upload detailed information about their ERS systems to the FIA server by August 21," said correspondent Michael Schmidt.

It is widely believed that Mercedes will lose the most because of the 'party mode' ban, but another manufacturer with strong engine usage settings in 2020 is Renault.

"There are several things connected with this ban," Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul admitted to Canal Plus.

"The FIA has more and more difficulties in this game of cat and mouse between the Federation and the teams. Anyone who enforces the rules must have enough data to be sure that everything is in compliance with the regulations," he added.

[S1000RR]

Source please

About the Horner statement? Tried to look it up but can't find it. It was Horner questioning Wolff publicly on track right after the GP

[Tifoso Svedese]

Mercedes 100 % do the exact thing we did last year and have gotten away with it because of corruption. They were worried Ferrari would start winning again with a great engine and had to slap it down. Hopefully now Toto has bitten off more than he could chew and this could render the trash being caught with their pants down, then selling the team.

[aroutis]

Ferrari working with the fia .This could be the secret settlement.

There is nothing secret about this, this is common knowledge about this deal,that Ferrari would work WITH FIA in order to help them in such cases.
HOWEVER,when Binotto hinted that Mercedes has somehow gained a really big advantage during the break,Toto went ballistic. Gee,I wonder why. Hmm...

[aroutis]

Wednesday 19 August at 10:35 : Aug.19 (GMM) Formula 1 is looking into the legality of the engine manufacturers' 2020-spec energy recovery systems, according to Auto Motor und Sport.

The development follows the shock news in Barcelona last week that 'party mode' engine settings will be banned from Spa-Francorchamps, even though the precise wording of the technical directive is not yet known.

"What is certain is that all four engine manufacturers will have to upload detailed information about their ERS systems to the FIA server by August 21," said correspondent Michael Schmidt.

It is widely believed that Mercedes will lose the most because of the 'party mode' ban, but another manufacturer with strong engine usage settings in 2020 is Renault.

"There are several things connected with this ban," Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul admitted to Canal Plus.

"The FIA has more and more difficulties in this game of cat and mouse between the Federation and the teams. Anyone who enforces the rules must have enough data to be sure that everything is in compliance with the regulations," he added.

That is one thing (the party mode) but the examining of the engine, quite another.
It may be that well, I don't know, someone is..cheating:D

[Silent Bob]

Looks like all teams have signed teh concorde agreement. I hope the FIA doesn't fold and move the party mode ban to next year. Be nice to see it banned in Spa.

[JPZ]

Ferrari working with the fia .This could be the secret settlement.

That could be a possibility.

And if the FIA found something irregular with the Mercedes engine, would they expose it, considering how it would discredit the past few seasons and the sport?

[Declan]

About the Horner statement? Tried to look it up but can't find it. It was Horner questioning Wolff publicly on track right after the GP

Yeahh I remeber after the race they were talking and he asked about bottas


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[S1000RR]

Yeahh I remeber after the race they were talking and he asked about bottas


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Yes, Wolff rubbed the victory in Horners face and Horner asked how it's possible that Bottas shaved 1sec. in 1 sector (as seen by RBR on their data) without DRS in his fastest lap. Wolff backed off instantly. :roll

[FerrariF60]

Yes, Wolff rubbed the victory in Horners face and Horner asked how it's possible that Bottas shaved 1sec. in 1 sector (as seen by RBR on their data) without DRS in his fastest lap. Wolff backed off instantly. :roll

I smell something fishy with that Merc....let’s hope the FIA will do something about it

[330 p4]

That could be a possibility.

And if the FIA found something irregular with the Mercedes engine, would they expose it, considering how it would discredit the past few seasons and the sport?

They will not expose it, like with Ferrari but they have a brilliant alibi, they will say the banning of quali modes has dropped Merc performance after they make them remove it.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari powered engines are the only engines that are fully compliant with the current regulations after the fia inquiry.which leaves question marks on the others.As I have said in previous post ferrari are helping the fia as part of the settlement.Ferrari would have had the best trick with sensors catching the others will be easy.Ferrari has access to racing data on race day all teams have on screens for sure this is being interpreted back at maranello and information supplied back to the fia.Interesting times ahead.Could well be Ferraris 2nd victory for the f1 season the first being the Concorde agreement.Any team or individual who thought that ferrari would take the fia findings standing on there engine laying down are very much mistaken big time.

[SS454]

They will not expose it, like with Ferrari but they have a brilliant alibi, they will say the banning of quali modes has dropped Merc performance after they make them remove it.

That's my thinking. If they release that Mercedes was cheating it could tarnish the Lewis Hamilton being so amazing. The Lewis Hamilton ball lickers in the FIA will not want that. So they would implement a rule change that stops their cheating without any formal punishment or exposure.

[Warp]

Mercedes is very confident though. Toto said they may lose a few tenths in Quali but other teams will lose too. Also they will be able to use higher modes in race after the quali-mode ban..

[paolo lalli]

Toto can say all he likes iam sure the tires will love the greater power modes during the race he is full of crap.

[330 p4]

Mercedes is very confident though. Toto said they may lose a few tenths in Quali but other teams will lose too. Also they will be able to use higher modes in race after the quali-mode ban..

That was before the ERS investigation. He probably thought they could still use that, the quali mode may have impacted on combustion but still could use the ERS trick.

[jgonzalesm6]

AMuS

F1: new technical directive on engine settings will apply from Monza. Teams are allowed to change engine mappings from race to race. The overtaking button may be used in the race.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef7VfTLXsAALtTj?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef7VfTNXgAA3Q56?format=jpg&name=medium


So you can use a different engine mode:

• Laps behind the Safety Car or at VSC speed (virtual SafetyCar)
• The lap after the chequered flag
• Laps before and after a flying qualifying lap
• Any other lap that is 20 % above the fastest lap of the qualifying session

You can also use a special engine mode if its because of a reliability issues but the FIA has to be informed about it beforehand and there has to be a significant loss of power (you are not allowed to switch back to a higher engine mode again)

When a team notices issues with the engine during the race (risk of a possible engine failure), you are allowed to run a lower engine mode but you will be stuck with that mode for the rest of the race.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-quali-modus-verbot-ab-monza-ueberholknopf-erlaubt-alle-details-technische-direktive/

[S1000RR]

https://thejudge13.com/2020/08/21/ferrari-tips-off-fia-on-pu-investigations/ :roll

[JPZ]

https://thejudge13.com/2020/08/21/ferrari-tips-off-fia-on-pu-investigations/ :roll

Ferrari would have given the FIA a series of indications on how to get different mappings. This led the Federation itself to ask Mercedes, Honda and Renault for clarifications and decided to ban different mappings between qualifying and race.

A similar procedure was also followed for the “investigations” on the functioning of the ERS. Ferrari would have advanced tests to FIA technicians to show how it is possible to increase the electric power in qualifying, masking the measurements of the FIA sensors.

Party mode would mainly affect the Mercedes powered teams while the anomalous use of the ERS could see the two Honda teams among the most penalised.

...it appears that the FIA are beginning to suspect that all teams, not just Ferrari, are possibly guilty of cheating via trickery involving electronics.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, hopefully it can bring us ahead of Ctrl + V and Renault in qualifying trim and thus lock Charles (or Seb) into the first three rows again, which needless to say is a positive when it comes to collecting P4:s.

[Tony]

Why would the FIA, knowing that other teams are using tricks, as became readily apparent from the first race, wait this long to implement changes? They've already gifted the 2020 season to Mercedes at this point...

[SS454]

Why would the FIA, knowing that other teams are using tricks, as became readily apparent from the first race, wait this long to implement changes? They've already gifted the 2020 season to Mercedes at this point...

It could come out that Mercedes was using more ERS than allowed since 2014.

[ferrari1.8t]

It could come out that Mercedes was using more ERS than allowed since 2014.

Lol. Keep dreaming!

[ferrari1.8t]

Why would the FIA, knowing that other teams are using tricks, as became readily apparent from the first race, wait this long to implement changes? They've already gifted the 2020 season to Mercedes at this point...

Maybe that’s exactly why. Clip their wings, but only after Hamilton has enough of a gap in the WCC. It was supposed to take effect in Belgium, now Monza. Why they delay?

[SS454]

Lol. Keep dreaming!

Let me rephrase. If all of a sudden Mercedes loses a dramatic amount of power, it would suggest they have been cheating. Just as Ferrari lost their power advantage against the rules.

It would be reasonable to assume the reason Mercedes had such a great engine was because of the "cheating" since 2014.

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes engine modes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef77-huXsAAZu4w?format=jpg&name=small

[paolo lalli]

Cant wait for all this to come out mercedes will be exposed as will others there is no way that all has been above board since 2014.Where is Andy cowel I'm sure he can answer a few questions .That's right he has left the building like a cockroach.This will be a game changer.Mercedes victories have big question marks on them and reflects on Hamilton's titles.Put him in another car without trickery and tampering and we will see just how good he really is well guess what its coming fast with the car he currently drives.

[FerrariF60]

W
Let me rephrase. If all of a sudden Mercedes loses a dramatic amount of power, it would suggest they have been cheating. Just as Ferrari lost their power advantage against the rules.

It would be reasonable to assume the reason Mercedes had such a great engine was because of the "cheating" since 2014.

Again as mentioned above by another forum fella, keep dreaming...they would never strip Merc of their championships

[Tony]

It's sad that the most interesting aspect of F1 these days is the politics... that says a lot about the series....

[458 Italia]

It's sad that the most interesting aspect of F1 these days is the politics... that says a lot about the series....

Even that's not really interesting which makes this shower of (something I'm not allowed to say :-D) even more tragic.

[SS454]

W

Again as mentioned above by another forum fella, keep dreaming...they would never strip Merc of their championships

They never would. They wouldn't even report that they found Mercedes using illegal ERS systems. Mercedes were caught in the middle of the Racing Point saga and the FIA/F1 haven't said one word negatively about Mercedes.

[paolo lalli]

Not yet any way.A world with no politics is a dead world long live politics and may the rave continue longer and louder f1 lives matter.

[Brembo]

All the complaining about F-1 & politics etc. are just diversions away from the fact that Lewis will win and break all records, until someone else comes along to drive great along with a great car to drive. The fighting up front for the podium is still great to watch ! The biggest result will be for F-1 to make it without fans in the stands. I'm grateful for the races to be held , 17 in all I read.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Obviously Mercedes have pulled a Lance Armstrong ever since 2014 in one way or the other, too high of an engine advantage for too long to be realistic, but they're too big to fail. Hopefully at least they can be driven out of F1 either way. I'm sure sugardaddy would buy their engine department anyway.

[JPZ]

Obviously Mercedes have pulled a Lance Armstrong ever since 2014 in one way or the other, too high of an engine advantage for too long to be realistic, but they're too big to fail. Hopefully at least they can be driven out of F1 either way. I'm sure sugardaddy would buy their engine department anyway.

Agreed.

Ferrari will not forget what Mercedes did to them. If there is anything irregular, they will probably do whatever they can to expose Mercedes and hit them as hard as possible.

Perhaps this is why Toto have such a blatant dislike for Binotto and also why there are rumours of him possibly leaving?

[Tony]

All the complaining about F-1 & politics etc. are just diversions away from the fact that Lewis will win and break all records, until someone else comes along to drive great along with a great car to drive. The fighting up front for the podium is still great to watch ! The biggest result will be for F-1 to make it without fans in the stands. I'm grateful for the races to be held , 17 in all I read.

You don't win in F1 unless you win the political game...

[TTRSMAD]

Mercedes engine modes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef77-huXsAAZu4w?format=jpg&name=small

This little bit of rumor might be the light at the end of the tunnel. This might take out the engine variable out of the equation and bring the teams closer together.

In the Ferrari engine saga, maybe Ferrari argued with the FIA that the engine of other manufacturer were also cheating because being at the maximum of what was possible in the hybrid development. Ferrari had no choice to find the fuel

sensor loophole to compete with the likes of Mercedes. Ferrari made the deal with the FiA to help them find the loophole around different ways of circumventing the sensors to unleash more power without raising suspicion.

If we see the same scenario of what happened to Ferrari last year at the US grand prix then will know that Mercedes was also using illegal loopholes. Mercedes are probably going to use reliability as an excuse.

[Brembo]

You don't win in F1 unless you win the political game...

Tony, I have to agree. I love the races no matter what. ESPN has been doing terrific camera work. I feel like I'm in the car !!! There's just tooo much money involved to go clean @ F-1 . NY City = F-1 politically speaking! :rotfl

[aroutis]

It's sad that the most interesting aspect of F1 these days is the politics... that says a lot about the series....

Um... Politics is an integral part of F1 since dawn of time :p :D

[aroutis]

All the complaining about F-1 & politics etc. are just diversions away from the fact that Lewis will win and break all records, until someone else comes along to drive great along with a great car to drive. The fighting up front for the podium is still great to watch ! The biggest result will be for F-1 to make it without fans in the stands. I'm grateful for the races to be held , 17 in all I read.

More like, if there's foul playing in Mercedes engines as suspected, Lulu will keep winning until things are remediated.
Simple as that.

[Brembo]

More like, if there's foul playing in Mercedes engines as suspected, Lulu will keep winning until things are remediated.
Simple as that.

" If there's foul play! " If it's true Todt should be put in jail. At least kicked out of F-1 . He worked for Michael not Ferrari. It shows now! It's hard to accept Ferrari not in the top 3 every race. Not any SCs lately ?

[Tifoso Svedese]

More than anything if they've ran an illegal engine since 2014 they've stolen three WDC from Vettel (2015, 2017 and 2018) and four WCC (2015, 2017, 2018, 2019) from us. Not to mention Leclerc could've won in 2019 if there were proper team orders and no Merc cars to take care of in Mexico and Brazil. So, all in all, it would be horrendous.

[JPZ]

More than anything if they've ran an illegal engine since 2014 they've stolen three WDC from Vettel (2015, 2017 and 2018) and four WCC (2015, 2017, 2018, 2019) from us. Not to mention Leclerc could've won in 2019 if there were proper team orders and no Merc cars to take care of in Mexico and Brazil. So, all in all, it would be horrendous.

This could be why Ferrari reached a 'deal' with the FIA.

If there are any changes or aspects banned, then it might not be a complete write-off for Ferrari next year at least.

[aroutis]

" If there's foul play! " If it's true Todt should be put in jail. At least kicked out of F-1 . He worked for Michael not Ferrari. It shows now! It's hard to accept Ferrari not in the top 3 every race. Not any SCs lately ?Michael worked for Ferrari and got his titles thru his work. As for what you said, you need therapy and I cannot help you.

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[aroutis]

More than anything if they've ran an illegal engine since 2014 they've stolen three WDC from Vettel (2015, 2017 and 2018) and four WCC (2015, 2017, 2018, 2019) from us. Not to mention Leclerc could've won in 2019 if there were proper team orders and no Merc cars to take care of in Mexico and Brazil. So, all in all, it would be horrendous.Agreed but it goes further as it damages the sport in whole, its reputation.

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[nani_s23]

Michael worked for Ferrari and got his titles thru his work. As for what you said, you need therapy and I cannot help you.

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Leave him... he wants to mark Michael as different. For him Lewis & max are saviour/warriors of F1 :rotfl

[330 p4]

Agreed but it goes further as it damages the sport in whole, its reputation.

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Thing is everyone is running illegal engines some more than others. There will not be any retrospective action. Ferrari pushed these loopholes so much and now are running a fully legal engine, everyone was involved just Ferrari are clean this year.

[TTRSMAD]

Thing is everyone is running illegal engines some more than others. There will not be any retrospective action. Ferrari pushed these loopholes so much and now are running a fully legal engine, everyone was involved just Ferrari are clean this year.

I agree with you, Ferrari milked the hell out of this fuel loophole and that raised suspicion. You saw it in 2018 at hockenheim on the back straight in qualifying, it openened the eyes of everybody the advantage of Ferrari engine.

Soon i hope, this new technical directive will pack everybody closer together.

[TTRSMAD]

It would really make my year if in Monza, Leclerc gets better qualifing position than Verstappen and after he says thats what happens when you stop cheating.:wave

[nani_s23]

It would really make my year if in Monza, Leclerc gets better qualifing position than Verstappen and after he says thats what happens when you stop cheating.:wave

:clap

[aroutis]

I agree with you, Ferrari milked the hell out of this fuel loophole and that raised suspicion. You saw it in 2018 at hockenheim on the back straight in qualifying, it openened the eyes of everybody the advantage of Ferrari engine.

Soon i hope, this new technical directive will pack everybody closer together.And you know this how ? I mean how do you know it was not Ferrari that did not find out that someone else was using this loophole and exploited it (ergo how they closed the performance gap and went in front) only to have eventually the investigation and all saga and mercedes getting too greedy for their own good, but let's not forget honda and rbr in the process ?
Answer, we can't possibly know.

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[TTRSMAD]

And you know this how ? I mean how do you know it was not Ferrari that did not find out that someone else was using this loophole and exploited it (ergo how they closed the performance gap and went in front) only to have eventually the investigation and all saga and mercedes getting too greedy for their own good, but let's not forget honda and rbr in the process ?
Answer, we can't possibly know.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCcDOl10jO0

[SilverSpeed]

Ferrari engine 2020 version = legal

Rest engine's : illegal

Case closed.

[330 p4]

I agree with you, Ferrari milked the hell out of this fuel loophole and that raised suspicion. You saw it in 2018 at hockenheim on the back straight in qualifying, it openened the eyes of everybody the advantage of Ferrari engine.

Soon i hope, this new technical directive will pack everybody closer together.

Would u say Merc have done things on the engine since 2014? Clever marketing said they would be dominant so mo suspicions raised. Ferrari knew what they did and just did more of the same, maybe too much. Merc screwed them so Ferrari are now screwing the lot of them after half a season of extreme pain.

[TTRSMAD]

Would u say Merc have done things on the engine since 2014? Clever marketing said they would be dominant so mo suspicions raised. Ferrari knew what they did and just did more of the same, maybe too much. Merc screwed them so Ferrari are now screwing the lot of them after half a season of extreme pain.

What i'm trying to say is that Mercedes was good in not displaying their full hand, only when they really need it. Ferrari on the other hand was very flagrant in their use that's the reason of the suspicion in the first place.

[paolo lalli]

Regardless who did what and when the sport needs cleaning up it has gotten ridiculously out of hand the culprits who allowed this farce to flourish should be banned from f1 permanently.Any titles gained under false pretence should be null and void because they are tinted and covered with dishonesty.We know who the major offender is and they now have plenty to lose .

[TTRSMAD]

I agree but Ferrari and Vettel had tons of chances to win the championship in the last couple of years but they dropped the ball.

Hopefully this technical directive is going to level the playing field.:pray

[Tony]

Um... Politics is an integral part of F1 since dawn of time :p :D

I know, but at least the racing was better in the past...

[aroutis]

I know, but at least the racing was better in the past...To that I wholeheartedly agree !

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[JPZ]

I agree with you, Ferrari milked the hell out of this fuel loophole and that raised suspicion. You saw it in 2018 at hockenheim on the back straight in qualifying, it openened the eyes of everybody the advantage of Ferrari engine.

Soon i hope, this new technical directive will pack everybody closer together.

This is probably what Mercedes are currently doing or some other aspect of the PU, which would explain the similar ridiculous power advantage over rivals.

[ferrari1.8t]

Just a thought, we should change this name of the thread. Saying "someone else" implies that we were cheating. We were never caught cheating, we exploited a loophole that that could not be proven or replicated. :-D

I really do hope that this TD tightens the pack and somehow salvages the season, and next.

[crbassassin]

I really do hope that this TD tightens the pack and somehow salvages the season, and next.

It's not a TD, its a rule change.

[Cavallino]

good post, this is the only story i'm following in F1 right now.