Belgian GP 2020 Race

[jgonzalesm6]

Not hoping much for the Scuderia today.

[jgonzalesm6]

Carlos Sainz out of the race due to exhaust failure.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think we could get 6-10 points in race trim.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ok one spot gained for both already. Just need to get through Les Combes on the opening lap, then run long and see what happens.

[458 Italia]

Carlos Sainz out of the race due to exhaust failure.

Did they try and fix it/replace it?

[stefa]

Let the torture beging!

[jgonzalesm6]

Did they try and fix it/replace it?

Not enough time to fix and get Sainz back in the race.

[Redfive]

Not sure I can bear this but here we go.

[stefa]

Mr. B, when is that special bound to happen?

[nani_s23]

A good race & points is all needed...!!

[nani_s23]

Let the torture beging!

:-D

[killer]

:ferrarifl

Hope the race throws us some excitement at least.

[458 Italia]

I think Brembo is the only one excited for this one :-D

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc on softs, Vettel on mediums. :Hmm

[Hornet]

My favorite circuit of all time
Hopefully Ferrari can finish in the points today

[killer]

Split strategy?

[jgonzalesm6]

Split strategy?

most likely

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc P8

[458 Italia]

Oh dear...

[killer]

CHARLES LECLERC

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles up 4 places already....

[Tifoso Svedese]

:clap

[stefa]

In the end two mercedes and MV will be in the same lap

[Redfive]

Charles is a star. give him a car even close to the Mercedes and he'll blow Hamilton into the weeds.

[stefa]

Charles up 4 places already....

And lost one...

[jgonzalesm6]

Gasly is on fire..........

[stefa]

And lost one...
... and dropping like stone

[killer]

Oh well. ��

[stefa]

Ferrari is from 2.5 to 3 sec per lap slower than Mercedes

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes mid 1m49, Max mid 1m50, Ricciardo and the rest mid to high 1m51

[tifosi1993]

There's got to be problem with Charles's PU. He's dog slow in the sector 1

[stefa]

This is really something special!

[nani_s23]

There's got to be problem with Charles's PU. He's dog slow in the sector 1

Nothing problem. We are slower on straights...!! That’s it. It just masked Lec start.

[Tifoso Svedese]

FIA must be wetting their pants that their cheating has paid off.

[stefa]

There's got to be problem with Charles's PU. He's dog slow in the sector 1

Yes there is a problem. He has Ferrari PU

[nani_s23]

This is really something special!

Yup very much. Need to congratulate Binotto for the good of sport

[killer]

Something up with 16?

[jgonzalesm6]

Gasly will overtake Stroll.

[stefa]

Yup very much. Need to congratulate Binotto for the good of sport

It is really good for the sport, when in just 8 laps you are almost half a minute behind leader!

[stefa]

What a humiliation it will be next week in Monza! Than God it is driven without spectators!

[458 Italia]

If there's a problem might as well park it.

[drax]

Using Softs was a bad call also

[killer]

No one’s even pretending to stay within the track :lol

[stefa]

Someone said 6 to 10 point from this race?!?!

[PURE PASSION]

Is Lec the only one to use softs outside the top 10 o. The grid????

[Tifoso Svedese]

FIA are scum, I'm done for today. Utter garbage.

[SashAlex]

What a humiliation it will be next week in Monza! Than God it is driven without spectators!

Thank God?

I wish the stands were full so 100k of supporters would boo the hell out of Binotto and this amateur management. A huge shame it will be without fans. I would've gone myself to throw a stone or two at them.

[stefa]

That looks bad

[Tifoso Svedese]

Someone said 6 to 10 point from this race?!?!

Didn't think they'd be as stupid as choosing the red tyre for Leclerc. Baffling. Especially considering how fast Gasly is on the hards.

[stefa]

And they even messed the stop

[Ferrarichamp]

Someone said 6 to 10 point from this race?!?!

maybe with some DNFs :Hmm

[jgonzalesm6]

GIO and RUSSELL crash...yellow.

[stefa]

Didn't think they'd be as stupid as choosing the red tyre for Leclerc. Baffling. Especially considering how fast Gasly is on the hards.

They could have used what ever color....

[WS6TransAm01]

What happened with the stop for Charles?

[stefa]

maybe with some DNFs :Hmm

Plenty of DNF needed

[stefa]

What happened with the stop for Charles?

It seams the tires wasn't ready

[jgonzalesm6]

Pit stops on lap 12

[stefa]

Seven last cars, all 6 powered Ferrari + Williams

[nani_s23]

I expected we will be into the points. It looks very bad for now

[stefa]

I expected we will be into the points. It looks very bad for now

Impossible! Only large number of DNF can help it

[nani_s23]

Seven last cars, all 6 powered Ferrari + Williams

Williams thought they can leapfrog ferrari today :rotfl.
That team expectations were too high

[stefa]

Williams thought they can leapfrog ferrari today :rotfl.
That team expectations were too high

At least there is one team we can fight with and beat!

[tifosi1993]

Hmm..TP didn't pit Perez...;-)

[tifosi1993]

Here comes the plans....:lol

[drax]

We are looking into plan B, C, G, H, Y, Z

[Noquarter]

The Ferrari has an even weaker engine than in 2014, with only fast tracks by the end of the season. There is no chance for any good results.
I do not believe that Binnoto will be the boss of the Ferrari after Monza.

[stefa]

Drama queen again!

[tifosi1993]

Raikkonen ahead of Vettel

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis loss of power on lap 16.

[JacKy]

Lol here comes raikkonen

[WS6TransAm01]

Hahahaha. Alfa passes the works Ferrari lol. Aaaaaaahahahaha

[Tifoso Svedese]

Lewis loss of power on lap 16.

He should just drive into the pits to check it out for a few laps.

[Hornet]

Whats up with our car, we are getting beaten by customer?

[Redfive]

Lewis loss of power on lap 16.

Mercedes fake drama, they do it all the time. I don't think most people believe it now.

[jgonzalesm6]

Nice move DR on Perez.

[jgonzalesm6]

Albon passes Perez on lap 18.

[DJTaurus]

Gasly continues to impress.

[jgonzalesm6]

Seb passes Charles on lap 19

[nani_s23]

We are fighting with each other for 13th & 14th position. Great

[Ferrarichamp]

We are fighting with each other for 13th & 14th position. Great

pretty much where they started.

[subfire91]

how much on top speed are we under. anyone with speedtraps ?

[458 Italia]

Reading this thread is making me think this race must be a thriller :rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

DR passes Gasly on lap 21

[chinmay]

We are fighting with each other for 13th & 14th position. Great

They can't fight anyone up front, only thing's left to fight with each other. Their little fun may not last long as the faster cars of Haas will be coming through from behind.

[Warp]

Reading this thread is making me think this race must be a thriller :rotfl

It's much worse than that :(

[doublesixes]

I turned it off. Not watching this pitiful spectacle.

[nani_s23]

Reading this thread is making me think this race must be a thriller :rotfl

Yeah with lot of twists & turns between 13th & 14th position

[drax]

And Vettel can’t even get close to Raikkonen this is really depressing

[330 p4]

Change the thread name to Spa 2020 DISGrace. Alfa overtaking Ferrari, it's not just the engine but nobody changed anything and all year Ferrari have been well ahead of Alfa and Haas. What the hell is going on?

[Ferrarichamp]

gassy hasn't pitted yet.

[JacKy]

I am wondering what will Binotto say after Race; “ we Need to understand the car ? “

[jgonzalesm6]

gassy hasn't pitted yet.

He's started on hards....40 laps minimum.

[Ferrarichamp]

I am wondering what will Binotto say after Race; “ we Need to understand the car ? “

''where am I? is this Indy500?'' :-D

[Schumiklub]

I am wondering what will Binotto say after Race; “ we Need to understand the car ? “

We need to understand why we couldn’t get tires to work (like that’s our only problem).


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[stefa]

For know Ferrari look safe from HAAS

[drax]

What are they doing ?

[Schumiklub]

Why the hell did we put Charles again?


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[20000rpm]

Whay are ferrari pit stops so slow!!

[Hornet]

Seem they top up something in Charles car

[Schumiklub]

Whay are ferrari pit stops so slow!!

To go in hand with the slow car. We have to lose time everywhere.


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[jgonzalesm6]

Why the hell did we put Charles again?


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Whay are ferrari pit stops so slow!!



Charles is losing pneumatic pressure.....hence the slow pit stop.

[Schumiklub]

Charles is losing pneumatic pressure.....hence the slow pit stop.

Nice. I’m just following live timing so I don’t have all the info.


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[JacKy]

how much on top speed are we under. anyone with speedtraps ?

I saw Renault reaches 345-346 with DRS , as we are down to 326-327

[Ferrarichamp]

and gasly pits

[Schumiklub]

FL from Charles, lol, nice


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[jgonzalesm6]

Seb being the strategist once again.

[Schumiklub]

I love how special our car is this race. It’s even leaking.


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[WS6TransAm01]

Just retire the cars. What’s the point?

[20000rpm]

It pains to see Charles at the last of the lot.. :(

[stefa]

It pains to see Charles at the last of the lot.. :(

Williams pitted. He is not last :-D

[patrese86]

Just retire the cars. What’s the point?

Collect "valuable data" and "understand the car"...

[20000rpm]

Williams pitted. He is not last :-D

Yeah... but now Vettel seems to get some challenge from Gasley.

[330 p4]

This is as bad as I have ever seen and watched nearly every race since 1990. Even 92 and 93 were better than this. Might as well retire both cars and save the engine.....in fact screw the engine, rev the hell out of it and blow it up.

[WS6TransAm01]

Carlos shaking his head, knowing he made a mistake going to Ferrari LOL

[stefa]

Yeah... but now Vettel seems to get some challenge from Gasley.

What do you mean challenge?!He blast past him!

[ss-89]

Nursing some pneumatic pressure issue with the engine.

[stefa]

Carlos shaking his head, knowing he made a mistake going to Ferrari LOL

Yeah, what for a wrong turn in career?!

[20000rpm]

Lol... Crofty rubbing in the wounds of Ferrari.
He never misses to criticise Ferrari!!!

[JacKy]

Hell yeah we pass a Car guys!!!!

[WS6TransAm01]

Woohoo! Charles passed a HAAS!

[20000rpm]

Well done Charles..

[330 p4]

When was the last time both Ferrari cars were beaten by a customer Ferrari team in a straight dry race?

[nani_s23]

When was the last time both Ferrari cars were beaten by a customer Ferrari team in a straight dry race?

Today, binotto wrote the history of Ferrari this season

[458 Italia]

Lol... Crofty rubbing in the wounds of Ferrari.
He never misses to criticise Ferrari!!!

Of course he is, wouldn't expect anything less.

[Schumiklub]

So, 0 points this race and not due to any issues, just plain lack of speed.


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[WS6TransAm01]

Spa is my favorite track ever and I can’t even enjoy watching the race. That’s Ferrari for ruining the racing event I look forward to all year.

[stefa]

Spa is my favorite track ever and I can’t even enjoy watching the race. That’s Ferrari for ruining the racing event I look forward to all year.

What can I say. Next Sunday 6th of September is my 47th birthday, and also a race at Monza....

[Schumiklub]

What can I say. Next Sunday 6th of September is my 47th birthday, and also a race at Monza....

Ouch.


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[Schumiklub]

On a different note. Gasly is really impressive.


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[Ferrarichamp]

What can I say. Next Sunday 6th of September is my 47th birthday, and also a race at Monza....

well there's always the US open, with Djokovic in action.

[stefa]

Ouch.


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Yeap... Before pandemic, last year I was planning to go there and celebrate my birthday with Ferrari win at Monza....

[jgonzalesm6]

On a different note. Gasly is really impressive.


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yep, overtook his team-mate and Perez.

[stefa]

well there's always the US open, with Djokovic in action.

:thumb

[stefa]

CL cannot pass RG even with fresh tires?!?!

[WS6TransAm01]

What can I say. Next Sunday 6th of September is my 47th birthday, and also a race at Monza....

Ouch. Okay. That’s bad.

[20000rpm]

Ouch, difficult to get pass Grosjean.

[JacKy]

We cant pass grosjean with newer tyre

[Schumiklub]

yep, overtook his team-mate and Perez.

He may even get Stroll


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[drax]

It’s not just the PU obviously the SF1000 is a horrible car

[tifosi1993]

Monza is going to be equally painful. All of us are here are frustrated and angry...but there's nothing we can do about it.

Ferrari needs to copy Mercedes, and forget about understanding.

[jgonzalesm6]

Gasly overtakes Stroll.

[Noquarter]

Binotto ****ing clown.

[20000rpm]

13th and 15th... the best we could manage.

[stefa]

13th and 15th... the best we could manage.

13 and 14 :-D

[tifosi1993]

It’s not just the PU obviously the SF1000 is a horrible car

It's mainly the PU. To compensate for the lack of power, we have to trim down the downforce at an extreme extent. Just look at Renault and the overall improvement they have made by designing a good PU. Now they can run with more wings.

[Nick Singer]

13th and 15th - a new low.

Next year will be the same. I have no confidence WHATSOEVER Ferrari will sort things for the new regs in '22.

Absolute clowns. I am so, so fed up.

[stefa]

:-s

[20000rpm]

yeah.. my bad.
:D

[Nick Singer]

13th and 15th - a new low.

Next year will be the same. I have no confidence WHATSOEVER Ferrari will sort things for the new regs in '22.

Absolute clowns. I am so, so fed up.

Phew! The day is saved - 13th and 14th. Branleurs!

[drax]

It's mainly the PU. To compensate for the lack of power, we have to trim down the downforce at an extreme extent. Just look at Renault and the overall improvement they have made by designing a good PU. Now they can run with more wings.

Alfa managed to trim down their downforce better this race, we got beat by a customer team fair and square. Yes it’s mainly the PU but the car is not at all good.

[WS6TransAm01]

Kimi ahead of the works Ferraris. Hahaha

Tell me again why Binotto deserves to stay? I’m all ears.

Ahahahah

[tifosi1993]

13th and 15th - a new low.

Next year will be the same. I have no confidence WHATSOEVER Ferrari will sort things for the new regs in '22.

Absolute clowns. I am so, so fed up.

Did you really expected Ferrari to be at their current positions 8 months ago? No I don't think you did.

Next year is next year. Next year, at least, we'll have a brand new PU. And if Ferrari can go back to the 2018/2019 power level, then it will change almost everything.

[nani_s23]

Glad that This humiliation is not front of the Italian crowd at Monza.

[FFFerrari]

Well that sure was a race to forget.

The car is dog awful, the power unit is a disaster. Monza will be a pain to watch.

[jgonzalesm6]

We cant pass grosjean with newer tyre

Charles passes Grosjean.

[JacKy]

Kimi ahead of the works Ferraris. Hahaha

Tell me again why Binotto deserves to stay? I’m all ears.

Ahahahah

Apparently To keep his mouth shut for what was going on with the engine last year

[nani_s23]

Did you really expected Ferrari to be at their current positions 8 months ago? No I don't think you did.

Next year is next year. Next year, at least, we'll have a brand new PU. And if Ferrari can go back to the 2018/2019 power level, then it will change almost everything.

My point is if 2019 PU is deemed illegal. They should have gone to 2018 PU for this season?

[Nick Singer]

Kimi ahead of the works Ferraris. Hahaha

Tell me again why Binotto deserves to stay? I’m all ears.

Ahahahah

Hate to say it, but in the modern world, Italians have no clue whatsoever. My son has a number of Italian lecturers (chemical engineering) and he says that, while they know their stuff, they couldn't organise a 'few bevvies' in a brewery.

[tifosi1993]

Alfa managed to trim down their downforce better this race, we got beat by a customer team fair and square. Yes it’s mainly the PU but the car is not at all good.

Alfa is pretty much like their last year's car. An extremely slippery car on the straights. But this years Ferrari is completely different. This years car has inherently more downforce, so more drag. Which is why we have struggled so much here, and similar struggle is awaiting us at Monza.

[nani_s23]

Charles forgot to switch of his team radio and cursed in Italian quite loud after a quite messy pit stop by Ferrari.

Later he apologised to the team.

[Nick Singer]

Glad that This humiliation is not front of the Italian crowd at Monza.

Don't worry - we've got that to look forward to next week. As you say, no fans - God be praised!

[nani_s23]

I saw a footage of sainz shaking his head When Gasly passed vettel in the 2nd stint.

Hmmm, atm he pray’s ferrari to get their act for next year

[tifosi1993]

My point is if 2019 PU is deemed illegal. They should have gone to 2018 PU for this season?

But it hasn't been deemed illegal. There is no words from the FIA about the 2019 engine being "illegal".

I think Ferrari can recover the lost power. They've made a huge step forward in 2018 without any "tricks", they can do it again. And they would've done it this year as well, if they were allowed to work on the PU and if they haven't had to shut down the factory for 2 months.

[doublesixes]

#axbinotto

enough's enough

[SashAlex]

Binotto fuori testa di cazzo!

[nani_s23]

Renault Ric did fastest lap on 43rd lap. Which is 23rd lap on his medium tyres.

[jgonzalesm6]

I saw a footage of sainz shaking his head When Gasly passed vettel in the 2nd stint.

Hmmm, atm he pray’s ferrari to get their act for next year

Sainz should get out of the Ferrari contract.....like now.

[Warp]

Hate to say it, but in the modern world, Italians have no clue whatsoever. My son has a number of Italian lecturers (chemical engineering) and he says that, while they know their stuff, they couldn't organise a 'few bevvies' in a brewery.

That's too harsh. Italians has nothing to do with that. And the random teachers of your son have nothing to do with top engineers aswell. The team was very competitive in 2017 and 2018. No idea what has gone wrong since then.



I saw a footage of sainz shaking his head When Gasly passed vettel in the 2nd stint.

Hmmm, atm he pray’s ferrari to get their act for next year

It could be montage, not sure what he was watching in that monitor. Also he had a great race in his McLaren. Oh wait!

[tifosi1993]

Renault Ric did fastest lap on 43rd lap. Which is 23rd lap on his medium tyres.

Yup, Ricciardo closed down 13 seconds gap to Max within 7 laps. Impressive pace.

[ntukza]

Boring race.

[nani_s23]

But it hasn't been deemed illegal. There is no words from the FIA about the 2019 engine being "illegal".

I think Ferrari can recover the lost power. They've made a huge step forward in 2018 without any "tricks", they can do it again. And they would've done it this year as well, if they were allowed to work on the PU and if they haven't had to shut down the factory for 2 months.

Because I see Ferrari 2019 Spec2 was powerful. That’s where the actual problem started from rivals.
So I think we can just go back & work on 2018 PU which was good & use those 2 tokens on that for next year. I see this as the only chance.

Using 2 tokens on the current PU doesn’t reap good benefits, we still be fighting with Pink Mercs at max.

[TTRSMAD]

My point is if 2019 PU is deemed illegal. They should have gone to 2018 PU for this season?

The Ferrari engine started being dominant in 2018 spec 2 in Montreal. The engine in the Ferrari is propably spec 1 2018 or 2017 engine.

[tifosi1993]

Because I see Ferrari 2019 Spec2 was powerful. That’s where the actual problem started from rivals.
So I think we can just go back & work on 2018 PU which was good & use those 2 tokens on that for next year. I see this as the only chance.

Using 2 tokens on the current PU doesn’t reap good benefits, we still be fighting with Pink Mercs at max.

Whatever helps. But they need to recover the lost power, I think they can do it, whether they can actually do it or be competent enough...I don't know.

And if you ask me, I think Ferrari should've fought harder last year. "Prove us that we are cheating or shut up"...that should've been their moto. But they just gave up too easily. Man...I'm really missing Sergio Marchionne. Ferrari lost heaps of political powers with SM's untimely death.

[alfa84]

400 million budget gets burned from 150 million budget teams.

[nani_s23]

Whatever helps. But they need to recover the lost power, I think they can do it, whether they can actually do it or be competent enough...I don't know.

And if you ask me, I think Ferrari should've fought harder last year. "Prove us that we are cheating or shut up"...that should've been their moto. But they just gave up too easily. Man...I'm really missing Sergio Marchionne. Ferrari lost heaps of political powers with SM's untimely death.

This was point which made me angry on binotto. I didn’t really get the statement “for the good of sport”.
When ferrari exploited loophole, which might be grey area & also isn’t illegal. Then why to give up so easily.

[doublesixes]

I'm not for picking on a guy by just appearance but someone wanting to look like a mix of Waldo and Kramer (from Seinfeld) tells me there's something wacky in that head.

[chinmay]

The Ferrari engine started being dominant in 2018 spec 2 in Montreal. The engine in the Ferrari is propably spec 1 2018 or 2017 engine.

Yes, the engine with "tricks" was introduced in 2018 with Spec 2. The current engine is indeed Spec 1 from 2018.

[TTRSMAD]

The problem is that the car was conceived with all that extra power in hand. They need a b spec chassis or they are not going anywhere.

Hopefully they are going to do something for Monza and the new engine rules is going to make a difference.

[Kyss4k]

We are the worst team in the F1 as of now. It really takes something (someone) special to pull this off. Thanks Ferrari, really proud of you.

[FerrariF60]

The problem is that the car was conceived with all that extra power in hand. They need a b spec chassis or they are not going anywhere.

Hopefully they are going to do something for Monza and the new engine rules is going to make a difference.

Sadly mate it won’t much of a difference for us...the mercs will still have HUGE advantage weather be quali or race pace compared to US.....it may bring red bull closer to Merc.....but we’ll still be slow as SNAILS

[TTRSMAD]

Embarassed for this team. I still have confidence but this would not have happened with Marchione or Di Montezemolo in charge.

[paolo lalli]

Yes we have something special for spa ZERO points now thats a special you moron Binotto.Iam glad the wolf is having a field day with that banana.

[Jax]

Lol alfa romeo did better :D

[Kyss4k]

If we won't get Andy Cowell, there is no hope for us.

[paolo lalli]

cant wait for Monza blood bath.I hope ferrari get smashed to pieces they deserve all of this pain.I have no sympathy for a team that has made themselves the laughing stock of the sport.All has been self inflicted.Ferrari are lazy non productive and backward with thought and principles and this is exactly what they deserve.

[TTRSMAD]

Will see what changes the next race with the new engine rules. Plus Ferrari as a full year and more to work on the next engine so i expect Ferrari to come back in the hunt next year.

Did you guys see during the race Carlos Sainz disappointment when Leclerc or Vettel was getting destroyed in the straight? That said everything.

[Honzus]

Lol alfa romeo did better :D

Actually they develop the car, you can se a lot on new details and TBH Alfa is beatiful car. Ferrari is real opposite, development rate is close to zero, they just sit and wait. You can see the results now. The car looks like a fridge and sadly it runs similarly.... The car lacks everything, even with slight power defficit you can make decent car, but SimpleFail1000 is not the case...

On the other hand I watch races without nerves or any expectation and I am not surprised in the end. :lol

P.S.
Probably most, I dont like this team for total lack of information, communication with fans and explanation of the situtation. They behave like everything is OK....

[patrese86]

cant wait for Monza blood bath.I hope ferrari get smashed to pieces they deserve all of this pain.I have no sympathy for a team that has made themselves the laughing stock of the sport.All has been self inflicted.Ferrari are lazy non productive and backward with thought and principles and this is exactly what they deserve.


why would you take joy in that?

Sorry but that's strange behaviour actively wanting Ferrari to fail. You can criticise Ferrari all you want (and we all are) but with that mentality thank god you don't have any influence back at maranello

[Kyss4k]

Will see what changes the next race with the new engine rules. Plus Ferrari as a full year and more to work on the next engine so i expect Ferrari to come back in the hunt next year.

Did you guys see during the race Carlos Sainz disappointment when Leclerc or Vettel was getting destroyed in the straight? That said everything.

It will not change the race pace mate. If we would be decent in race pace, then I would say it will help us, but we are nowhere no matter the situation. We may be closer in a quali mode, but the races will be about the same.

By the way I just remembered... didn't someone from Ferrari say before the season that they increased their budget to make this years car as good as possible? Where did these money go?

[JPZ]

But it hasn't been deemed illegal. There is no words from the FIA about the 2019 engine being "illegal".

I think Ferrari can recover the lost power. They've made a huge step forward in 2018 without any "tricks", they can do it again. And they would've done it this year as well, if they were allowed to work on the PU and if they haven't had to shut down the factory for 2 months.

Agreed.

[FerrariF60]

It will not change the race pace mate. If we would be decent in race pace, then I would say it will help us, but we are nowhere no matter the situation. We may be closer in a quali mode, but the races will be about the same.

By the way I just remembered... didn't someone from Ferrari say before the season that they increased their budget to make this years car as good as possible? Where did these money go?

Money went to Harry potters pockets....lol

[aroutis]

I now realize what Binotto meant when he said that it was all about the tyres.
Everyone that saw what happened at the pit-stop now understands.

The team is in disarray, we cannot make a pit-stop, we cannot find the root cause and start fixing things, we cannot bring worthy upgrades like say Renault, basically if things go on like this by the end of the season, Williams will be ahead.

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "We are not in crisis, we are just going through a storm. Each of us is taking responsibility. We lack power and load. Last season the PU partially covered the defects of the car

[aroutis]

cant wait for Monza blood bath.I hope ferrari get smashed to pieces they deserve all of this pain.I have no sympathy for a team that has made themselves the laughing stock of the sport.All has been self inflicted.Ferrari are lazy non productive and backward with thought and principles and this is exactly what they deserve.

Same. I want us to go as bad as possible, no DNF for neither cars, we need to cross the line.
Team needs to be slaughtered by the italian press, it is the only way.

[aroutis]

https://www.pitpass.com/67826/Ferrari-must-question-decisions-says-Wolff
Hey , do we have a new TP ?

[paolo lalli]

When camelleri and Binotto admit publicly that the sf1000 has failed only then can the road to greener pastures begin.To date these words elude there mouths.There global brand will take a big hit i expect.Ferrari fans are pouring there anger and frustrations out in buckets.How they express this is entirely up to them if it brings them relief well great keep doing it what ever works.The ball of failure sits at the very top at maranello and it all starts and ends there full stop.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Probably time to fake that the whole team got the China virus as an excuse to miss Monza.

[tifosi1993]

Binotto: "We are not in crisis, we are just going through a storm. Each of us is taking responsibility. We lack power and load. Last season the PU partially covered the defects of the car

Does he have some kind of obligation? Why does he have to give interview and speak after every single race? Just shut the hell up already....

Keep quite and focus on the job. Stop with the friendly face nonsense...no body cares about your statements Binotto.

[Stingray]

Glad that This humiliation is not front of the Italian crowd at Monza.

Wait, that is still coming .......!

[JacKy]

Toto Said “It's maybe the decisions that have been made within the team, from certain members of the team,"

What i believe he is saying that “ certain member choose to cheat on Engine instead of improving the car last year. And this is the outcome of it

[WS6TransAm01]

Apparently To keep his mouth shut for what was going on with the engine last year

You know, I never thought about that but it's easy to fix it. Demote him, make him sign an NDA or he doesn't get paid. If he talked, call the Cosa Nostra, they have ways of dealing with such things. "Snitches get stitches" and all that.


Hate to say it, but in the modern world, Italians have no clue whatsoever. My son has a number of Italian lecturers (chemical engineering) and he says that, while they know their stuff, they couldn't organise a 'few bevvies' in a brewery.

Oh, how dare you say that! LOL. Greig's gonna have a fit! LOL


Whatever helps. But they need to recover the lost power, I think they can do it, whether they can actually do it or be competent enough...I don't know.

They could have, but the weak and spinless team leaders signed an agreement not to develop the engine. You know, "for the good of the sport"


And if you ask me, I think Ferrari should've fought harder last year. "Prove us that we are cheating or shut up"...that should've been their moto. But they just gave up too easily. Man...I'm really missing Sergio Marchionne. Ferrari lost heaps of political powers with SM's untimely death.

BINGO!

The leadership is completely inept and incompetent. There could very well be countless talented engineers at the team, [I don't think so, but could be] but we will never know because the leaders are idiots.

[wisepie]

I've given up expecting Ferrari to get its act together any time soon, having to watch our cars being overtaken with no power to respond is gutting and what makes it worse is that nothing can be done to improve things. Even the pit crew and pitwall don't seem able to function clearly and decisively as seen today with both drivers, the whole thing is a shambles. Charles and Seb deserve a medal for not telling Binotto where to park the SF1000, we may be tifosi but sometimes it just isn't worth the pain. There would be a riot at Monza if we had to witness a similar fate and were allowed to be there, small mercy that we can't.:-E:-s

[nani_s23]

I've given up expecting Ferrari to get its act together any time soon, having to watch our cars being overtaken with no power to respond is gutting and what makes it worse is that nothing can be done to improve things. Even the pit crew and pitwall don't seem able to function clearly and decisively as seen today with both drivers, the whole thing is a shambles. Charles and Seb deserve a medal for not telling Binotto where to park the SF1000, we may be tifosi but sometimes it just isn't worth the pain. There would be a riot at Monza if we had to witness a similar fate and were allowed to be there, small mercy that we can't.:-E:-s

Well said :clap

[SilverSpeed]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/ij4nq1/2020_grosjean_grand_prix/

[nani_s23]

Charles expects tough race at Monza...!!

[The Architect]

Agree with others in this thread that I think the real problem is a failure of leadership. The team is spineless and being destroyed from outside without resistance.

When do we hit rock bottom? The engine freeze in the next few years is going to lock in another generation of Merc domination.

[Honzus]

Charles expects tough race at Monza...!!

Oh really, I expected straightforward win :-D #joke

[nani_s23]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/ij4nq1/2020_grosjean_grand_prix/

Funny with Hamilton one :rotfl
Vettel’s too :rotfl

[PURE PASSION]

Binotto: "We are not in crisis, we are just going through a storm. Each of us is taking responsibility. We lack power and load. Last season the PU partially covered the defects of the car

NEWS FLASH!!!
The storm has just upgraded to a category 5 hurricane!!!!!!!!

[Warp]

Agree with others in this thread that I think the real problem is a failure of leadership. The team is spineless and being destroyed from outside without resistance.

When do we hit rock bottom? The engine freeze in the next few years is going to lock in another generation of Merc domination.

Every team can introduce a new spec at the start of the season

[Greig]

Does he have some kind of obligation? Why does he have to give interview and speak after every single race? Just shut the hell up already....

Keep quite and focus on the job. Stop with the friendly face nonsense...no body cares about your statements Binotto.

Nobody forces you to read or watch them. So some fans would like to hear from the team even if you don't.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hopefully for 2022 there's a way to re-work the 2019 engine into whatever the jibberish FIA decided and bring it back. This surely is the 2016 one or thereabouts and it shows.

[ntukza]

I've given up expecting Ferrari to get its act together any time soon, having to watch our cars being overtaken with no power to respond is gutting and what makes it worse is that nothing can be done to improve things. Even the pit crew and pitwall don't seem able to function clearly and decisively as seen today with both drivers, the whole thing is a shambles. Charles and Seb deserve a medal for not telling Binotto where to park the SF1000, we may be tifosi but sometimes it just isn't worth the pain. There would be a riot at Monza if we had to witness a similar fate and were allowed to be there, small mercy that we can't.:-E:-s

Spot on!

[ntukza]

Regarding engines and in-season development bans. How is it a competitive sport if you're not allowed to continuously improve your offering?

[nani_s23]

Driver of the Day : Gasly...:thumb

For me move of the race would be Gasly & Charles over Perez.

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc: "We are working very hard to try and get better. I am pushing quite a lot. I have never been as much as I am now in Maranello, to work with the team closely and understand what we can do better, trying to push everyone, to extract the best out of the team. It's the first time in my career where I have a long-term contract with the same team, where I stay in the team for two years in a row. It's new but very exciting and I couldn't hope for any better team than Ferrari to be that."

[Warp]

Not only we're slow but everyone is calling us cheaters. This is much worse than 2014.

[PURE PASSION]

Not only we're slow but everyone is calling us cheaters. This is much worse than 2014.

This!!!!
I'm angry with Binotto bacause he let the whole world to drag our name through the mud and he doesn't do ANYTHING!!!!! He let the team undefended and he very much accepted our quilty with his attitude!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!

[Schumiklub]

Leclerc: "The next race will be a difficult one for us, but hopefully from Mugello, it could get better. We have to stay united, react and work hard to come back to where we were before."

What does he mean I wonder?


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[MSC Fan]

Charles Leclerc: "We are working very hard to try and get better. I am pushing quite a lot. I have never been as much as I am now in Maranello, to work with the team closely and understand what we can do better, trying to push everyone, to extract the best out of the team. It's the first time in my career where I have a long-term contract with the same team, where I stay in the team for two years in a row. It's new but very exciting and I couldn't hope for any better team than Ferrari to be that."

That's a very great attitude. I really hope we can give him a championship worthy car. In my opinion, he is the best on the grid, up there with Max and he still has a lot of potential in him unlike Max who has matured to almost maximum. We would be absolutely nowhere this season if it wasn't for him.

[MSC Fan]

Leclerc: "The next race will be a difficult one for us, but hopefully from Mugello, it could get better. We have to stay united, react and work hard to come back to where we were before."

What does he mean I wonder?


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I think he is referring to returning to Silverstone level of performance. Either that or a development token is going to be used.

[nani_s23]

Binotto on Toto's comments: "I think there is nothing to reply to that. We know exactly what our fans think and I am a Ferrari fan myself and I know exactly what is going on, work at Ferrari since 35 years. We know what our priorities are.
The technical directive for the engines comes into force in Monza. This will affect some teams. I am very curious to see how much it affects which teams. The track demands a lot of power and this will affect the competitiveness in qualifying."

I think binotto should concentrate on ferrari car, rather than seeking answers from other teams drop off performance

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc: "The next race will be a difficult one for us, but hopefully from Mugello, it could get better. We have to stay united, react and work hard to come back to where we were before."

What does he mean I wonder?


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Track characteristics + some aero updates.

[Schumiklub]

Track characteristics + some aero updates.

Probably. But Mugello is a fast track, so maybe some engine upgrade? I hope so at least:


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[tifosi1993]

That's a very great attitude. I really hope we can give him a championship worthy car. In my opinion, he is the best on the grid, up there with Max and he still has a lot of potential in him unlike Max who has matured to almost maximum. We would be absolutely nowhere this season if it wasn't for him.

In terms of absolute raw speed, nobody is up there with Leclerc. He had a few problems with tyre wear on some tracks last year, but this year he has already rectified those problems.
Our current struggles will make Leclerc a complete package like Max. He has already shown Alonso-level adaptability, now he needs to improve his wet weather driving a bit.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari can not blame covit nor the Italian government.The lockdown in Italy exposed just how much ferrari is behind the development curve.A well run team regardless of lock down would have experienced minimal to no change because they are advanced ferrari has been caught sleeping at the wheel from top to bottom.Ferrari failure is imminent with a management and working environment that ferrari currently has.

[tifosi1993]

Probably. But Mugello is a fast track, so maybe some engine upgrade? I hope so at least:


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From what I've seen, Mugello is a high downforce track. Mugello is a combination of fast-medium speed and long-flowing high speed corners. And with variable engine modes ban, Ferrari should be a bit closer.

I hope there will be some new aero parts for this track, don't expect any engine upgrade.

[nani_s23]

I think he is referring to returning to Silverstone level of performance. Either that or a development token is going to be used.

I don’t think they will use it. As they are left with only two. May be they are thinking for 2021 engine upgrade.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari can not blame covit nor the Italian government.The lockdown in Italy exposed just how much ferrari is behind the development curve.A well run team regardless of lock down would have experienced minimal to no change because they are advanced ferrari has been caught sleeping at the wheel from top to bottom.Ferrari failure is imminent with a management and working environment that ferrari currently has.

Get yourself a map. Or better yet, open up google/whatever online map you can find. Then observe where Maranello is located. And when you have done that, you'd know why Ferrari can actually blame the Covid-19.

[nani_s23]

In terms of absolute raw speed, nobody is up there with Leclerc. He had a few problems with tyre wear on some tracks last year, but this year he has already rectified those problems.
Our current struggles will make Leclerc a complete package like Max. He has already shown Alonso-level adaptability, now he needs to improve his wet weather driving a bit.

He’s more mature than max, I would say. Initially looking at max he has the raw speed + uncontrollable too.
Now that he had time In his hands, he’s the next best. But for me Leclerc has good speed over max & adaptability too. Although there are couple of mistakes, I don’t see any repetitive mistakes.
Give him a better package, he will run the show.

[nani_s23]

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/08/30/horner-says-illegal-ferrari-cost-them-2019-wins/

Horner says illegal Ferrari cost RB 2019 wins.

[JPZ]

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/08/30/horner-says-illegal-ferrari-cost-them-2019-wins/

Horner says illegal Ferrari cost RB 2019 wins.

All the knives are coming out now towards Ferrari.

[Timpolidori]

Leclerc: "The next race will be a difficult one for us, but hopefully from Mugello, it could get better. We have to stay united, react and work hard to come back to where we were before."

What does he mean I wonder?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe probably means that we can lay a few nails around our track and win by attrition. It'll be like wakey races!

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[Stormsearcher]

This!!!!
I'm angry with Binotto bacause he let the whole world to drag our name through the mud and he doesn't do ANYTHING!!!!! He let the team undefended and he very much accepted our quilty with his attitude!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!

Am pretty sure the top brass at Ferrari are pulling his strings. He cannot be singled out for the state of affairs.

[Stormsearcher]

Charles Leclerc: "We are working very hard to try and get better. I am pushing quite a lot. I have never been as much as I am now in Maranello, to work with the team closely and understand what we can do better, trying to push everyone, to extract the best out of the team. It's the first time in my career where I have a long-term contract with the same team, where I stay in the team for two years in a row. It's new but very exciting and I couldn't hope for any better team than Ferrari to be that."

At least the kids got spirit! :-)
I really really hope his 5 years with Ferrari arent spent hoping the next years car will be better, like it has for 10 years now.

[Stormsearcher]

Regarding engines and in-season development bans. How is it a competitive sport if you're not allowed to continuously improve your offering?

Everyone has the same rules. So if they can, logically we should too.

[Stormsearcher]

why would you take joy in that?

Sorry but that's strange behaviour actively wanting Ferrari to fail. You can criticise Ferrari all you want (and we all are) but with that mentality thank god you don't have any influence back at maranello

+1 :thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/08/30/horner-says-illegal-ferrari-cost-them-2019-wins/

Horner says illegal Ferrari cost RB 2019 wins.

The car was'nt illegal. Sour grapes.

[Stormsearcher]

Renault Ric did fastest lap on 43rd lap. Which is 23rd lap on his medium tyres.

Alonso is licking his lips! :-D

[Stormsearcher]

On a different note. Gasly is really impressive.


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Yes. And it still surprises me how he under-performed when he was in RBR.

[Tifoso Svedese]

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/08/30/horner-says-illegal-ferrari-cost-them-2019-wins/

Horner says illegal Ferrari cost RB 2019 wins.

It's the FIA that cheated not us.

Then, all three races we won last year would've been won by Hammy if Charles didn't have the track position. If anything, Red Bull stole a win from us last year through Max' reckless driving in Austria. I know Max finished third in Singapore but it's a complete garbage take to suggest Hammy wouldn't have had him covered in clean air.

[KimiBot]

1 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 157
2 Verstappen NED Red Bull Racing Honda 110
3 Bottas FIN Mercedes 107
4 Albon THA Red Bull Racing Honda 48
5 Leclerc MON Ferrari 45
6 Norris GBR McLaren Renault 45
7 Stroll CAN Racing Point BWT Mercedes 42
8 Ricciardo AUS Renault 33
9 Perez MEX Racing Point BWT Mercedes 33
10 Ocon FRA Renault 26
11 Sainz ESP McLaren Renault 23
12 Gasly FRA AlphaTauri Honda 18
13 Vettel GER Ferrari 16
14 Hulkenberg GER Racing Point BWT Mercedes 6
15 Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
16 Kvyat RUS AlphaTauri Honda 2
17 Magnussen DEN Haas Ferrari 1
18 Räikkönen FIN Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 0
19 Latifi CAN Williams Mercedes 0
20 Russell GBR Williams Mercedes 0
21 Grosjean FRA Haas Ferrari 0

[KimiBot]

1 Mercedes 264
2 Red Bull Racing Honda 158
3 McLaren Renault 68
4 Racing Point BWT Mercedes 66
5 Ferrari 61
6 Renault 59
7 AlphaTauri Honda 20
8 Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
9 Haas Ferrari 1
10 Williams Mercedes 0

[nani_s23]

Alonso is licking his lips! :-D

Yup I’m excited to see him back in a strong car...:-)
Those McLarens will also be strong...!! It will be tight fight between TP/McLaren/Renault might be with RB too...!!
Don’t know where would we stand against this ...

[SS454]

It's the FIA that cheated not us.

Then, all three races we won last year would've been won by Hammy if Charles didn't have the track position. If anything, Red Bull stole a win from us last year through Max' reckless driving in Austria. I know Max finished third in Singapore but it's a complete garbage take to suggest Hammy wouldn't have had him covered in clean air.

If it was Mercedes that got found to have been running more fuel allowed than the permitted 100 kg/hr we would all be outraged and calling them cheaters.

[MSC Fan]

[QUOTE=Tifoso Svedese;1032660 It's the FIA that cheated not us.

Then, all three races we won last year would've been won by Hammy if Charles didn't have the track position. If anything, Red Bull stole a win from us last year through Max' reckless driving in Austria. I know Max finished third in Singapore but it's a complete garbage take to suggest Hammy wouldn't have had him covered in clean air.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Nico Rosberg was handed a 5 second penalty for the same move in Germany 2016. I don't know how some people can talk about the "Ferrari International Assistance" with all the injustice done to us last year (we lost at least 2 wins because of it, Austria and Canada).

[Tifoso Svedese]

If it was Mercedes that got found to have been running more fuel allowed than the permitted 100 kg/hr we would all be outraged and calling them cheaters.

Well they do :rotfl

[paolo lalli]

Thank God there will be no fans at monza, other wise I can see lots and lots of tomatoes thrown at the ferrari cars.Fair dinkum they are copping it left right and centre and the italian media are absolutely roasting them they have missed nothing incompetent clueless lacking imagination poor management etc etc just to name a few the pressure is on big time.

[Alonsomaniac]

At least it won't be a season without a single podiumfinish. Thank you Charles.

[ntukza]

Was anyone else impressed by Vettel's post-race comments? I watched his comments live and I thought they were very mature and pleasant.