Italian GP 2020 : Practice and Qualifying

[jgonzalesm6]

Weather looks good all 3 days.

Let's see how the quali ban affects [cough] [cough]...........Mecedes.

[stefa]

Weather looks good all 3 days.

Let's see how the quali ban affects [cough] [cough]...........Mecedes.

I bet it will not at all!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Harder to pass here than at Spa, so as long as we're in Q3 we should be good for points. Power is arguably more important there than here, just look at last year for reference and also remember how Vettel won in 2011 and 2013 with a below-power car with a dominant chassis. So long as the car is working on the brakes and is tolerable in Parabolica it should be better than last time. Q3 is hard but I don't think it's impossible to accomplish here.

[SilverSpeed]

www.crashstappen.com needs an update :-D.

[tifosi1993]

Weather looks good all 3 days.

Let's see how the quali ban affects [cough] [cough]...........Mecedes.

Something tells me it will affect Red Bull and other Mercedes powered cars more than Mercedes themselves.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The reason btw for me saying power means less than Spa is the sheer length of the straights there. It's 2 km to Les Combes through Eau Rouge and 1.8 km-ish past Blanchimont. That means there's plenty of time to roll right past ya if the car ain't fast enough. The longest Monza straight is about 1.2 km and in turn is entered through a high speed corner, resulting in acceleration being less important on that spot. The other three straights are more like thereabouts with the main straight of a standard track. That means you need to have a corner speed advantage to actually attack at Monza.

[ss-89]

Something tells me it will affect Red Bull and other Mercedes powered cars more than Mercedes themselves.

Merc still had plenty in the bag, they're not even remotely phased. Looking at practice times so far it looks like the rest of the field has bunched up a bit and possibly RB have dropped back. Bit too early to say really. We'll maybe have a slightly better picture in P2.

[KimiBot]

Weather looks good all 3 days.



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[ferrari1.8t]

Merc still had plenty in the bag, they're not even remotely phased. Looking at practice times so far it looks like the rest of the field has bunched up a bit and possibly RB have dropped back. Bit too early to say really. We'll maybe have a slightly better picture in P2.

Merc have had extra pace in their back pocket since the hybrid era started. Nothing will change.

Still curious as to what “something special” is. Binotto, we are waiting.

[nani_s23]

www.crashstappen.com needs an update :-D.

:rotfl should be noted ..!!

[ss-89]

I was following live timing, hard to gather a lot of info but the longer stint pace looked reasonable low 1:25s on the mediums.

[nani_s23]

I was following live timing, hard to gather a lot of info but the longer stint pace looked reasonable low 1:25s on the mediums.

I saw vettel 19th position & Leclerc 11th in FP1 ?
Both are on different programmes?

[tifosi1993]

Bottas: 27.088--26.754--26.686--1:20.703

Hamilton: 27.254--27.037--26.611--1:20.948

Albon: 27.294--27.268--26.938--1:21.500

Kvyat: 27.363--27.223--26.969--1:21.555

Verstappen: 27.204--27.335--27.019--1:21.641

Gasly: 21.285--27.287--27.095--1:21.667

Perez: 21.358--27.272--27.052--1:21.747

Norris: 21.378--27.375--26.994--1:21.747

Ricciardo: 27.250--27.197--27.291--1:21.789

Sainz: 27.087--27.481--27.128--1:21.821

Leclerc: 27.445--27.285--27.094--1:21.904



Vettel: 27.513--27.606--27.354--1:22.988

[tifosi1993]

FP1 (Max speed):

Norris 345

Hamilton 343

Sainz 342

Kvyat 340

Ricciardo 340

Latifi 340

Verstappen 339

Gasly 339

Leclerc 339

Grosjean 339

Nissany 339

Bottas 338

Ocon 338

Stroll 338

Albon 337

Perez 337

Giovinazzi 337

Raikkonen 334

Magnussen 333

Vettel 328

[tifosi1993]

I was following live timing, hard to gather a lot of info but the longer stint pace looked reasonable low 1:25s on the mediums.

Leclerc's long run was reasonable. But Renault is looing to be 2nd/3rd fastest car, Ricciardo did 1:24.667 during his long run, which was faster than Red Bull.

[MSC Fan]

It just looks very bad for us. I reckon we'd be much better in Mugello, Portimao, Nurburgring and Imola, maybe Silverstone tier.

[Alonsomaniac]

Question, I read something on a Dutch site.......: Binotto said: "Next years car will be an evolution of this years car, but we have chances. At this moment we are testing a brand new engine for 2021 and we are counting on that one".
And I thought: ????????? Is that true? Is that allowed? And then I thought: you are not allowed to change much on this years engine for next year, but what about a completely new one? Is that a loophole? It could be, and it would then be created by McLaren who are changing to Mercedes engines next year.

Now, what does everyone think.....could this be true?

[Schumiklub]

The car is very special this weekend.


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[paolo lalli]

Do not expect anything .

[ss-89]

Leclerc's long run was reasonable. But Renault is looing to be 2nd/3rd fastest car, Ricciardo did 1:24.667 during his long run, which was faster than Red Bull.

was one lap and otherwise Ric was doing very similar times, may have got a tow on that lap. Nobody had a clean race sim as there was traffic so laps were all over the place.

[nani_s23]

Question, I read something on a Dutch site.......: Binotto said: "Next years car will be an evolution of this years car, but we have chances. At this moment we are testing a brand new engine for 2021 and we are counting on that one".
And I thought: ????????? Is that true? Is that allowed? And then I thought: you are not allowed to change much on this years engine for next year, but what about a completely new one? Is that a loophole? It could be, and it would then be created by McLaren who are changing to Mercedes engines next year.

Now, what does everyone think.....could this be true?

New engine is fine, no problem with that.
It’s just they can’t upgrade the current engine as per the regulations they have only 2 tokens.

Whether it’s old or new engine the allocation of components is the same. They have to deal with token system till next year.

[Tifoso Svedese]

It just looks very bad for us. I reckon we'd be much better in Mugello, Portimao, Nurburgring and Imola, maybe Silverstone tier.

Bahrain 1 and Abu Dhabi should also be alright tracks for us, due to the high track temps and the twisty hairpin sections being on those tracks. Especially in Bahrain I think the likes of Renault and the Copypaste will suffer on race pace because of the combination of temps and traction. In Bahrain 2 we'll be better than Spa due to the frequent braking and lack of an individual monster straight. Istanbul will be very weather dependent instead. Late season warm spell there and we have a chance at a good result due to excessive graining through Turn 8 for the others.

[killer]

I saw vettel 19th position & Leclerc 11th in FP1 ?
Both are on different programmes?

Or set up. Top speeds say so, IMO. Thing is, there’s no reason to run downforce in Monza so I don’t really know.

[Silent Bob]

Maybe party mode ban hurt us

[JChan]

Question, I read something on a Dutch site.......: Binotto said: "Next years car will be an evolution of this years car, but we have chances. At this moment we are testing a brand new engine for 2021 and we are counting on that one".
And I thought: ????????? Is that true? Is that allowed? And then I thought: you are not allowed to change much on this years engine for next year, but what about a completely new one? Is that a loophole? It could be, and it would then be created by McLaren who are changing to Mercedes engines next year.

Now, what does everyone think.....could this be true?

Don't believed the word that coming out of their mouth like EVOLUTION! It was use before from Stefano time (can't remember what year it is, he use the word it's the EVOLUTION of last year car. perhaps) EVOLUTION is Mitsubishi! hehe...

[JPMFerrari]

Maybe party mode ban hurt us

Car is just weak, party mode or not, Ferrari is regulated to a mid-pack team until next season.

[Warp]

New engine is fine, no problem with that.
It’s just they can’t upgrade the current engine as per the regulations they have only 2 tokens.

Whether it’s old or new engine the allocation of components is the same. They have to deal with token system till next year.

We can introduce a brand new spec next year but we cannot upgrade our engine during this or during the next season. Obviously Ferrari is working on a new engine which is tested on the dyno.

[tifosi1993]

There he goes, spinning again. No damage I think.

[SilverSpeed]

Ballerina Seb practising again...

[Alonsomaniac]

Ballerina Seb practising again...

Yup , and so did Charles wiggling the tail.......it,s the car in this case, not the drivers making mistakes.

[SilverSpeed]

Yup , and so did Charles wiggling the tail.......it,s the car in this case, not the drivers making mistakes.

True, but Charles kept it straight, Seb spun again.

[nani_s23]

Even with the good car few drivers are crashing into the wall :rotfl. So there’s no much difference

[tifosi1993]

Even with the good car few drivers are crashing into the wall :rotfl. So there’s no much difference

Maybe not to you. But since he's driving the Ferrari, and "few drivers" are not, it makes a lot of difference.

[paolo lalli]

If ferrari did nothing at all about there car I doubt very much weather f1 would survive at all.There is a lot to play for the fia know this and so do the liberty group.Another year of wolf and mercedes dominate should just about do the trick the sport is not in good health.Ferrari is crashing the party.

[nani_s23]

Maybe not to you. But since he's driving the Ferrari, and "few drivers" are not, it makes a lot of difference.

Oh for you it’s only vettel. Not ferrari. :rotfl
More 13 races to go?? So 13 spins from vettel & 13 posts from you on him again & again.

I want to see your posts when vettel is out & binotto still leading the team with no performance.

Oh you would say “let’s give him more time & as I don’t want to see him at merc/RB?”.....:rotfl

[Alonsomaniac]

We can introduce a brand new spec next year but we cannot upgrade our engine during this or during the next season. Obviously Ferrari is working on a new engine which is tested on the dyno.

Which could also mean that this new 2021 engine will be far better than what we have now and get Ferrari somewhat out of trouble?

[Warp]

Which could also mean that this new 2021 engine will be far better than what we have now and get Ferrari somewhat out of trouble?

It should be better, yes.. I guess it cannot get worse of what it is right now. Also, don't forget that we developed the current spec in 3-4 months only.

On the hand Toto just said their goal for 2021 is to run the quali mode in races..

[nani_s23]

It should be better, yes.. I guess it cannot get worse of what it is right now. Also, don't forget that we developed the current spec in 3-4 months only.

On the hand Toto just said their goal for 2021 is to run the quali mode in races..

Yes it our engine will be good next season. Hopefully that 2 token will be wisely used for the betterment.
But I feel Honda & Renault will also get stronger, McLaren with Mercs engine too. So ferrari needs to get it right with aero package too. Hopefully this year will give some good data on aero stuff.

[Warp]

Yes it our engine will be good next season. Hopefully that 2 token will be wisely used for the betterment.
But I feel Honda & Renault will also get stronger, McLaren with Mercs engine too. So ferrari needs to get it right with aero package too. Hopefully this year will give some good data on aero stuff.

There are rumors both tokens will be used for the gearbox. McLaren will use both tokens to install the Mercedes engine. RP and Alpha Tauri are getting free upgrades for the suspension and gearbox...

[FerrariF60]

There are rumors both tokens will be used for the gearbox. McLaren will use both tokens to install the Mercedes engine. RP and Alpha Tauri are getting free upgrades for the suspension and gearbox...

yeah, but if Ferrari are working on a BRAND NEW ENGINE......and NOT upgrading anything in this year's DONKEY.....it don't matter how many tokens we use right????? because a brand new engine is totally different then the one we currenlty use.....or am i missing something???

[tifosi1993]

Oh for you it’s only vettel. Not ferrari. :rotfl
More 13 races to go?? So 13 spins from vettel & 13 posts from you on him again & again.

I want to see your posts when vettel is out & binotto still leading the team with no performance.

Oh you would say “let’s give him more time & as I don’t want to see him at merc/RB?”.....:rotfl

Vettel has been at Ferrari for 6 years now and had atleast 26 costly race incidents. Binotto has only been TP for 2 years, and hasn't made 26 or more mistakes that made Ferrari lost points in races. And before you jump on to your "but whatabout" and fill the post with similes, remember Ferrari is not just one entity. Bad car is the result of bad wind tunnel correlations and design mistakes from the aero guys. So if you want the blame Binotto for that, you'd also have to blame rest of the design team as well.

Vettel's job is to drive the car. Not worry about design process or anything else. And he failed. Current Ferrari is bad, last years Ferrari was below average, but the cars of 2017 and 2018 weren't bad or below average. They were great cars and Vettel wasted them with his rookie like mistakes and crashes. From 2017-2018, Vettel had 11 race incidents, when he either crashed or spun, and that's excluding practice and qualifying mistakes. That's why he's no longer be driving for us, and no other team has offered him any contract.

"Binotto still leading the team with no performance"...yeah well I can't see the future, unlike you of course. And unlike you, I'm not wishing any ill fates on Binotto or Ferrari. That's the difference between a driver-fan and team-fan. You're bitter.

For a guy who's always lecturing others about 'supporting' the team, you sure seem to bash every other member apart from Vettel, the most mistake-prone and expensive member of the team. But that's not that surprising tbh.

[nani_s23]

Vettel has been at Ferrari for 6 years now and had atleast 26 costly race incidents. Binotto has only been TP for 2 years, and hasn't made 26 or more mistakes that made Ferrari lost points in races. And before you jump on to your "but whatabout" and fill the post with similes, remember Ferrari is not just one entity. Bad car is the result of bad wind tunnel correlations and design mistakes from the aero guys. So if you want the blame Binotto for that, you'd also have to blame rest of the design team as well.

Vettel's job is to drive the car. Not worry about design process or anything else. And he failed. Current Ferrari is bad, last years Ferrari was below average, but the cars of 2017 and 2018 weren't bad or below average. They were great cars and Vettel wasted them with his rookie like mistakes and crashes. From 2017-2018, Vettel had 11 race incidents, when he either crashed or spun, and that's excluding practice and qualifying mistakes. That's why he's no longer be driving for us, and no other team has offered him any contract.

"Binotto still leading the team with no performance"...yeah well I can't see the future, unlike you of course. And unlike you, I'm not wishing any ill fates on Binotto or Ferrari. That's the difference between a driver-fan and team-fan. You're bitter.

For a guy who's always lecturing others about 'supporting' the team, you sure seem to bash every other member apart from Vettel, the most mistake-prone and expensive member of the team. But that's not that surprising tbh.

I expected this reply from you :rotfl
So you want binotto to make 26 mistakes :lol...!! How funny.
That’s Wt i said right, when vettel spins immediately one post from you. But when binotto is responsible for such performance defend like a crazy :-) shows your thought process.

Most interesting thing what you say is “I’m not happy with the performance, I’m not a binotto fan” ....

Turning on to the costs, yes vettel is heavy to the team. What about binotto, is he drawing 1$? :-)
Your driver sack logic should is applicable to engineers too who don’t give much performance.

Another Interesting Point you gave me is, where are 2014/2015/2016 Ferrari cars?
When you are giving 2017/2018 cars credit to Binotto, wt about previous/past & the current cars?

Don’t say that he was not involved in those designs...!! Playing cheap politics for the sake of TP role & getting rid of MA Two faced.

First try to give the credit where it is due. Vettel will leave at the end of the year.

Fact is I never rated Vettel above Schumi/Alonso & I’m not his fan too. But your baseless points are making me to drop these lectures. After this season who is vettel for me?

It’s just I want to see a competitive car to Leclerc or Max or Alonso who is back to F1 can take on Merc/Ham.

For me drivers/engineers whoever it is, they come & go. Ferrari will be forever.
We can have a star driver in our car, but ferrari is above all.

I defend/yell/question my team drivers, engineers etc.... at the end of the day as a Ferrari racing fan & being a member in this forum, I have every right to do that.

Whatever I do, I will always be ferrari fan.

[nani_s23]

https://f1i.com/news/382786-vettel-says-balloon-tyre-pressures-not-helping-sf1000-balance.html

So front tyre pressure are increased for this weekend. That’s causing More trouble in balance.

Don’t know what Pirelli does everytime.

[Brembo]

https://f1i.com/news/382786-vettel-says-balloon-tyre-pressures-not-helping-sf1000-balance.html

So front tyre pressure are increased for this weekend. That’s causing More trouble in balance.

Don’t know what Pirelli does everytime.

I believe the increase tire pressure was requested by Merc to reduce tire wear up front. And OKd by Pirelli.

[wisepie]

I believe the increase tire pressure was requested by Merc to reduce tire wear up front. And OKd by Pirelli.

What Mercedes wants, Mercedes gets. Quelle surprise!:-E

[tifosi1993]

I expected this reply from you :rotfl
So you want binotto to make 26 mistakes :lol...!! How funny.
That’s Wt i said right, when vettel spins immediately one post from you. But when binotto is responsible for such performance defend like a crazy :-) shows your thought process.

Most interesting thing what you say is “I’m not happy with the performance, I’m not a binotto fan” ....

Turning on to the costs, yes vettel is heavy to the team. What about binotto, is he drawing 1$? :-)
Your driver sack logic should is applicable to engineers too who don’t give much performance.

Another Interesting Point you gave me is, where are 2014/2015/2016 Ferrari cars?
When you are giving 2017/2018 cars credit to Binotto, wt about previous/past & the current cars?

Don’t say that he was not involved in those designs...!! Playing cheap politics for the sake of TP role & getting rid of MA Two faced.

First try to give the credit where it is due. Vettel will leave at the end of the year.

Fact is I never rated Vettel above Schumi/Alonso & I’m not his fan too. But your baseless points are making me to drop these lectures. After this season who is vettel for me?

It’s just I want to see a competitive car to Leclerc or Max or Alonso who is back to F1 can take on Merc/Ham.

For me drivers/engineers whoever it is, they come & go. Ferrari will be forever.
We can have a star driver in our car, but ferrari is above all.

I defend/yell/question my team drivers, engineers etc.... at the end of the day as a Ferrari racing fan & being a member in this forum, I have every right to do that.

Whatever I do, I will always be ferrari fan.

Another long post, but without any meaning. As expected. And yes, Binotto wasn't responsible for the 2014-15-16 Ferrari cars. Binotto replaced Allison in 2016 for the TD role. Do try to keep up.
"Give credit where it is due", and what credit you think Vettel deserves? Has he done anything in his entire Ferrari career that deserves credit?

You always say you are not his fan blah blah. Your posts say otherwise. You always put the blame on Ferrari and ignore Vettel's mistakes.

[Brembo]

I do blame Ferrari for taking Seb on thinking he was with 4 WDCs and needed just 3 more to make the team stand even greater. Why did Ferrari not realize his R Bull car was his rocket and not his driving skills? Just stop and think how little Lewis' accomplishments stand for. It's all the car as far as most everyone believes. And I'd rather not even mention the pay they gave him. Ferrari has a driver now that has mid field and up front expertise with Charles. Hopefully a good car is on the way soon.

[20000rpm]

I hope people can take some humour is this awefull painful season for us...

https://twitter.com/ElkezzaMayof/status/1301834433272705024?s=20

[nani_s23]

Another long post, but without any meaning. As expected. And yes, Binotto wasn't responsible for the 2014-15-16 Ferrari cars. Binotto replaced Allison in 2016 for the TD role. Do try to keep up.
"Give credit where it is due", and what credit you think Vettel deserves? Has he done anything in his entire Ferrari career that deserves credit?

You always say you are not his fan blah blah. Your posts say otherwise. You always put the blame on Ferrari and ignore Vettel's mistakes.

Another baseless post, as expected from you again.
Binotto replaced Alison, so binotto was sitting idle in maranello? :rotfl

Where did I say give credit to vettel.... :rotfl

You can say many things & be a fan of binotto. I don’t care.
He’s not at all suitable for TP by no means.

[nani_s23]

I hope people can take some humour is this awefull painful season for us...

https://twitter.com/ElkezzaMayof/status/1301834433272705024?s=20

Ohhh don’t post this...!! Here few binotto fans will go crazy on you & come back with baseless arguments. Saying you are a vettel fan.

[tifosi1993]

Another baseless post, as expected from you again.
Binotto replaced Alison, so binotto was sitting idle in maranello? :rotfl

Where did I say give credit to vettel.... :rotfl

You can say many things & be a fan of binotto. I don’t care.
He’s not at all suitable for TP by no means.

No Binotto was responsible for engines, and Allison was responsible for every thing else. So blaming Binotto for 2014-2016 Ferraris is nothing but hilarious. But that's expected from you.

And you are always here worshipping Vettel and defending him like crazy. You can support him, you are allowed to. But don't bash other team members while turning a blind eye when your favorite spins and crashes. that's simply not gonna cut it.

[nani_s23]

No Binotto was responsible for engines, and Allison was responsible for every thing else. So blaming Binotto for 2014-2016 Ferraris is nothing but hilarious. But that's expected from you.

And you are always here worshipping Vettel and defending him like crazy. You can support him, you are allowed to. But don't bash other team members while turning a blind eye when your favorite spins and crashes. that's simply not gonna cut it.

It’s the same for you worship binotto & don’t blame others if they post anything against him. All the best

[Ferrarichamp]

I'm dreaming of a Leclerc podium. :pray

[tifosi1993]

It’s the same for you worship binotto & don’t blame others if they post anything against him. All the best

Not blaming him for cars he wasn't responsible for, doesn't mean worshipping him. Blaming a non TD personal, and the head of the engine department for average cars/bad aero performance is nothing but hilarious.

But always blaming and glorifying others mistakes, while not attributing any criticism to the driver who's been making mistakes after mistakes is nothing but blind support.

[nani_s23]

Not blaming him for cars he wasn't responsible for, doesn't mean worshipping him. Blaming a non TD personal, and the head of the engine department for average cars/bad aero performance is nothing but hilarious.

But always blaming and glorifying others mistakes, while not attributing any criticism to the driver who's been making mistakes after mistakes is nothing but blind support.

Criticism to the driver :rotfl.... I wanted him to exit. It happened.
But the criticism on binotto you are not able to take that..... :rotfl who is accountable for cheap politics for TP role & not giving the performance.

When did both cars didn’t score points on pure performance? Do you remember?

That’s y I called come with actual facts. Not with silly crying stuff.

[tifosi1993]

Criticism to the driver :rotfl.... I wanted him to exit. It happened.
But the criticism on binotto you are not able to take that..... :rotfl who is accountable for cheap politics for TP role & not giving the performance.

When did both cars didn’t score points on pure performance? Do you remember?

That’s y I called come with actual facts. Not with silly crying stuff.

OH yeah, you and your non-existent desire of Vettel's exit. Stop pretending buddy. There was never any criticism of Vettel's crashes or spins from you, and never will be.

And again, let me simplify, so that you can understand, the whole technical department, from design-aero-windtunnel/CFD is responsible for the bad car, Not just the TP. And drivers job is to drive the car and extract the maximum. Leclerc is doing it, with his already 2 podiums with a car like this, Vettel on the other hand blaming everyone but himself. And likewise, you his die hard fan, doing the same. Blaming everyone but your favorite driver.

[KimiBot]

I hope people can take some humour is this awefull painful season for us...

https://twitter.com/ElkezzaMayof/status/1301834433272705024?s=20



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg1PhvyXsAANaUq?format=jpg&name=large

[nani_s23]

OH yeah, you and your non-existent desire of Vettel's exit. Stop pretending buddy. There was never any criticism of Vettel's crashes or spins from you, and never will be.

And again, let me simplify, so that you can understand, the whole technical department, from design-aero-windtunnel/CFD is responsible for the bad car, Not just the TP. And drivers job is to drive the car and extract the maximum. Leclerc is doing it, with his already 2 podiums with a car like this, Vettel on the other hand blaming everyone but himself. And likewise, you his die hard fan, doing the same. Blaming everyone but your favorite driver.

Crazy :rotfl TP is not responsible...... post of the month. What does TP do? Just sit & watch :rotfl

Who’s vettel ? :rotfl I’m talking about binotto. I think mad max fury is running in your mind. :rotfl

For your better understanding, TP will foresee the functions of engine dept/Aero etc... whether everything is aligned or not. All of them report to TP.

[nani_s23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg1PhvyXsAANaUq?format=jpg&name=large

:rotfl

[MSC Fan]

I do blame Ferrari for taking Seb on thinking he was with 4 WDCs and needed just 3 more to make the team stand even greater. Why did Ferrari not realize his R Bull car was his rocket and not his driving skills? Just stop and think how little Lewis' accomplishments stand for. It's all the car as far as most everyone believes. And I'd rather not even mention the pay they gave him. Ferrari has a driver now that has mid field and up front expertise with Charles. Hopefully a good car is on the way soon.

Given the circumstances then, who else would you have picked up? Fernando was offerred a contract till 2019 and still decided to leave despite James Allison saying that at least 10 other high profiled team members (himself included) trying to convince him. Jules was just in a situation where Russell is now and until Verstappen was hired at such a young age, it was unheard of in this era to be promoted that young (and considering that it was a very competitive era, one would be even more hesitant). Hamilton had a beast of a car and wouldn't leave no matter what. Button had become clumsy and just lost some of his speed by 2014.

Seb is a really great driver. It is just that the SF71H, SF90 and the SF1000 were harder to drive. He tried to overdrive the car and made a load of mistakes along the way (Kimi on the other hand was a driver who would play safe and not risk anything). Believe me, he is still a top 5 driver on the grid. It is just that Charles is even better and once he matures up a bit more, he would easily be the best driver on the grid by a long shot. Many would realise this once Carlos gets destroyed even worse than Seb is getting destroyed (quite possibly a whitewash).

[nani_s23]

Given the circumstances then, who else would you have picked up? Fernando was offerred a contract till 2019 and still decided to leave despite James Allison saying that at least 10 other high profiled team members (himself included) trying to convince him. Jules was just in a situation where Russell is now and until Verstappen was hired at such a young age, it was unheard of in this era to be promoted that young (and considering that it was a very competitive era, one would be even more hesitant). Hamilton had a beast of a car and wouldn't leave no matter what. Button had become clumsy and just lost some of his speed by 2014.

Seb is a really great driver. It is just that the SF71H, SF90 and the SF1000 were harder to drive. He tried to overdrive the car and made a load of mistakes along the way (Kimi on the other hand was a driver who would play safe and not risk anything). Believe me, he is still a top 5 driver on the grid. It is just that Charles is even better and once he matures up a bit more, he would easily be the best driver on the grid by a long shot. Many would realise this once Carlos gets destroyed even worse than Seb is getting destroyed (quite possibly a whitewash).

Perfectly said :clap

[tifosi1993]

Crazy :rotfl TP is not responsible...... post of the month. What does TP do? Just sit & watch :rotfl

Who’s vettel ? :rotfl I’m talking about binotto. I think mad max fury is running in your mind. :rotfl

For your better understanding, TP will foresee the functions of engine dept/Aero etc... whether everything is aligned or not. All of them report to TP.

But you were talking about 2014-2016 cars dear, don't backtrack now. You are blaming the guy and not Allison, who was the TD. And you are also not blaming Arrivabene for those bad cars. Funny. :lol

And my mind is fine though so don't worry, but I'm afraid if your brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose or mess your hair.

[nani_s23]

But you were talking about 2014-2016 cars dear, don't backtrack now. You are blaming the guy and not Allison, who was the TD.

And my mind is fine though so don't worry, but I'm afraid if your brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose or mess your hair.

Or did it happen to you? Thanks for informing me In prior:rotfl

Dear, Binotto was a part of TD too 2014-2016. I’m comparing two streams here TP & TD. Use your brain properly.
My simple question wt is binotto doing as a TP? Just sit in garage?

[tifosi1993]

Or did it happen to you? Thanks for informing me In prior:rotfl

Dear, Binotto was a part of TD too 2014-2016. I’m comparing two streams here TP & TD. Use your brain properly.
My simple question wt is binotto doing as a TP? Just sit in garage?

You are welcome. Now don't go blow it up. :rotfl
Again, Binotto was responsible for the PU, Allison for everything else. And why you are not blaming Arrivabene too I wonder, since he was the TP.

I'm pretty sure Binotto and the rest of team is busy doing hard works at the factory.

[20000rpm]

Let it go guys... We know this year is painfully slow. Let's try to somehow get the most from the car and pray that hopefully we can make some improvements in the engines to be somewhat competitive next year.

[MSC Fan]

I'm dreaming of a Leclerc podium. :pray

It would be quite possible in Mugello or Imola but a podium in Monza with this year's engine is impossible.

[nani_s23]

You are welcome. Now don't go blow it up. :rotfl
Again, Binotto was responsible for the PU, Allison for everything else. And why you are not blaming Arrivabene too I wonder, since he was the TP.

I'm pretty sure Binotto and the rest of team is busy doing hard works at the factory.

Your tobacco man did excellent job in 2018 than your guru binotto. Who did threaten the team to leave if not for TP

[nani_s23]

Let it go guys... We know this year is painfully slow. Let's try to somehow get the most from the car and pray that hopefully we can make some improvements in the engines to be somewhat competitive next year.

It’s just for fun ... between us. :-)

After all we both are ferrari fans. :thumb

[tifosi1993]

Your tobacco man did excellent job in 2018 than your guru binotto. Who did threaten the team to leave if not for TP

Not interested in conspiracy theories.
Again, if you are blaming Binotto for everything, then you should blame Arrivabene as well. And the tobacco guy hardly did an excellent job. It's Binotto and his technical department did all the excellent job. But Arrivabene and the pit wall made a mess, like not giving Vettel the toe in Monza.

[Warp]

Every Ferrari-powered car is struggling so much. We're hopeless on this track.

Max faster with Medium tires (Both Mercedes set the time with Soft tires). Hopefully they will get a big hit by quali mode ban. I cannot even hear Toto bragging about their engine anymore.

[Kyss4k]

Every Ferrari-powered car is struggling so much. We're hopeless on this track.

Expected with the least powerfull engine.

[KimiBot]

Every Ferrari-powered car is struggling so much. We're hopeless on this track.

I am not surprised, just continuation from last race.

[Warp]

I didn't expect to be fast around here but this is disheartening.

7738

[nani_s23]

Not interested in conspiracy theories.
Again, if you are blaming Binotto for everything, then you should blame Arrivabene as well. And the tobacco guy hardly did an excellent job. It's Binotto and his technical department did all the excellent job. But Arrivabene and the pit wall made a mess, like not giving Vettel the toe in Monza.

Now you call it’s binotto’s excellence in 2018. :rotfl other time around you said it’s SM.
Conspiracy theories ? Will post it. :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Binotto said spa is one off. But it seems other way in moza.

[Warp]

Binotto said spa is one off. But it seems other way in moza.

One off being slower than Haas and Alfa..

[tifosi1993]

Every Ferrari-powered car is struggling so much. We're hopeless on this track.

Max faster with Medium tires (Both Mercedes set the time with Soft tires). Hopefully they will get a big hit by quali mode ban. I cannot even hear Toto bragging about their engine anymore.

I mean that's to be expected. The engine is the least powerful PU out of all. And we can't do anything about it this year.

[nani_s23]

One off being slower than Haas and Alfa..

Ferrari’s are practising tow...!! Q1 will be tight.

[Warp]

Ricciardo's engine or gearbox is dead.

Renault engine seems very fast. Norris is behind Bottas on lap time.

[nani_s23]

Ricciardo's engine or gearbox is dead.

Renault engine seems very fast. Norris is behind Bottas on lap time.

Renault with new engine this weekend.

[nani_s23]

Can Ferrari get into Q3?

Binotto : “I think we have more chance than we did in Belgium, but that's not the best thing. It needs to be a perfect day today."

#Skyspirts F1

[458 Italia]

Is it true that merc wasn't happy with the tyre pressures again so Pirelli have increased the psi for everyone again?

[Warp]

Why there's no investigation for Mercedes engines? Last year everyone complained that it's impossible to find that performance within the rules.

This year, Mercedes is matching the Ferrari 2019 PU and they got alooooot of high downforce aswell.

Edit: McLaren is really really fast.




Renault with new engine this weekend.

Yes. I think its the gearbox.


Is it true that merc wasn't happy with the tyre pressures again so Pirelli have increased the psi for everyone again?

Mercedes usually prefers lower tyre pressures.

[nani_s23]

I wonder if we had a good engine, 2nd row lock out would have been possible.

Loosing everything in S2 & S3 1sec.

[Kyss4k]

Wow... the queueing before the end of the lap is so stupid it hurts. It will kill someone one day.

[tifosi1993]

Mclaren and Renault are looking really good. Tracing point P9 and P10. As expected, Mercedes powered customer teams are not looking anything special. Red Bull got a fight in their hand. Easy pole for Mercedes.

Bottas: 27.035--26.652--26.389--1:20.089

Sainz: 26.954--26.933--26.431--1:20.318

Norris: 26.918--26.817--26.677--1:20.412

Ricciardo: 26.789--26.867--26.751--1:20.419

Hamilton: 27.004--26.828--26.417--1:20.439

Verstappen: 26.836--26.782--26.594--1:20.456

Albon: 26.848--26.986--26.612--1:20.563

Ocon: 26.912--26.914--26.770--1:20.693

Stroll: 27.093--27.031--26.601--1:20.804

Perez: 27.072--27.139--26.623--1:20.897

Leclerc: 27.106--27.031--26.780--1:20.917

[tifosi1993]

Max speed:

Gorsjean 351

Perez 344

Stroll 343

Gasly 342

Kvyat 342

Russell 342

Latifi 342

Albon 341

Raikkonen 341

Verstappen 340

Giovinazzi 340

Ricciardo 339

Ocon 337

Bottas 336

Hamilton 336

Magnussen 336

Sainz 335

Norris 334

Leclerc 333

Vettel 332

[KimiBot]

Max speed:

Gorsjean 351

Perez 344

Stroll 343

Gasly 342

Kvyat 342

Russell 342

Latifi 342

Albon 341

Raikkonen 341

Verstappen 340

Giovinazzi 340

Ricciardo 339

Ocon 337

Bottas 336

Hamilton 336

Magnussen 336

Sainz 335

Norris 334

Leclerc 333

Vettel 332

So everything is wrong with our car, look Sainz and Norris

[paolo lalli]

Che sera sera what will be will be.Iam at peace with the ongoing and current ferrari failures finally its just not worth the grief as a ferrari fan now going on for over 20 years. The way I see it the situation can only get better.Ferrari has hit rock bottom now the only way left is up.ENJOY.

[nani_s23]

So everything is wrong with our car, look Sainz and Norris

That McLaren :-E

[330 p4]

The fixed modes come into effect from quali? They can still run softer in practices? It's just even though positions are in line roughly with the season gaps are close for FP3. Merc will be 1 and 2 in quali but will be very interesting on gaps. Everyone running skinny rear wings Ferrari more than anyone but Grosjean the highest top speed with Ferrari engine? Guess it's a tow, if so the speed increase is enormous.

[MSC Fan]

Che sera sera what will be will be.Iam at peace with the ongoing and current ferrari failures finally its just not worth the grief as a ferrari fan now going on for over 20 years. The way I see it the situation can only get better.Ferrari has hit rock bottom now the only way left is up.ENJOY.

That's a good mindset. The only hope I have left now is that the aero department lead by Rory Bryne completely focusing on the 2022 car and the PU guys working to rebuild the engine. They can forget about 2021 for all I care, I might even stop watching for a year looking at the state of F1 right now.

[MSC Fan]

The fixed modes come into effect from quali? They can still run softer in practices? It's just even though positions are in line roughly with the season gaps are close for FP3. Merc will be 1 and 2 in quali but will be very interesting on gaps. Everyone running skinny rear wings Ferrari more than anyone but Grosjean the highest top speed with Ferrari engine? Guess it's a tow, if so the speed increase is enormous.

We are running a setup with so much low downforce that we are losing times in the corners at Monza of all the places. Maybe that's the only way we can hope to be semi competitive here. The aero itself isn't bad considering how well it did in Hungary qualifying (the Pink Mercs lose their advantage because they don't know how to develop a car they didn't build and hence the upgrades are useless).

[nani_s23]

That's a good mindset. The only hope I have left now is that the aero department lead by Rory Bryne completely focusing on the 2022 car and the PU guys working to rebuild the engine. They can forget about 2021 for all I care, I might even stop watching for a year looking at the state of F1 right now.

Giving away 2 years for title or strong car in 2022 does make sense. If ferrari doesn’t get it strong, then next cycle would be difficult to assume.

I feel next year should be good in terms of comparison with current year.

We always live in a hope.

[MSC Fan]

Giving away 2 years for title or strong car in 2022 does make sense. If ferrari doesn’t get it strong, then next cycle would be difficult to assume.

I feel next year should be good in terms of comparison with current year.

We always live in a hope.

I hope Charles does not become to us what Kimi was to McLaren because that would be an utter shame.

[nani_s23]

I hope Charles does not become to us what Kimi was to McLaren because that would be an utter shame.

That’s my concern too, we got the best driver on the grid. If we don’t give him right machine, it’s like wasting his talent.

[Farid757]

Hello everybody. Do statistics really matter now the sport is an FIA/Mercedes rule regulated sport to its core. And Hamster racing alone. What a garbage sports this has become. If someone tells me that Ferrari dominated 2000 to 2004, they did it on merit, everybody had a free hand to develop their cars. Today rules decide who wins, and it has become a farce. The FIA that lacks any honesty or decency, changed the rules in 2005 to stop Ferrari. How come they are putting regulations to keep this circus going on. What a load of rubbish the FIA is, lost all respect to Brawn and Todt.

[MSC Fan]

Hello everybody. Do statistics really matter now the sport is an FIA/Mercedes rule regulated sport to its core. And Hamster racing alone. What a garbage sports this has become. If someone tells me that Ferrari dominated 2000 to 2004, they did it on merit, everybody had a free hand to develop their cars. Today rules decide who wins, and it has become a farce. The FIA that lacks any honesty or decency, changed the rules in 2005 to stop Ferrari. How come they are putting regulations to keep this circus going on. What a load of rubbish the FIA is, lost all respect to Brawn and Todt.

Statistics don't matter. Anyone who has actually watched F1 back in the day only call Michael as the GOAT because of his epic seasons in 1995, 1997, 1998 and 2000. He has taken championships to the last race (1997, 1998) and also won 2 of them (1995 and 2000) in inferior cars. He also won a championship while the FIA was actively trying to sabotage Ferrari in 2003 with all the point system changes. Anyone who ever thought that he has his name cemented in history just because of the records has just read some Wikipedia page without actually having seen him race. In fact, Michael himself has said that records are only meant to be broken.

Now, Hamilton is a great driver and definitely deserves to be in the top 10 of all time but he is far from being a GOAT because all his championships are either in dominant machinery with no real competition or a car that had been proven to be illegal (2008) modified copies of the F2007. He has never lead the sport while not being the champion like Michael did in 1996-2000 and Alonso did in 2010-2013.

[stefa]

Finally in the temple of speed, with car that has no speed at all!

[458 Italia]

Finally in the temple of speed, with car that has no speed at all!

The Ferrari 488s look to have speed at the Nurburgring though :-D

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc's lap time deleted

[stefa]

CL lap time deleted - TL

[tifosi1993]

First time Mercedes under 27.0 in the sector 1

[stefa]

Mercedes on a harder tire more than a second faster!

[stefa]

Q2 max today

[tifosi1993]

Max 9 tenths behind Hamilton.

[458 Italia]

Will croft mess himself when hamilton gets pole?

[Rishu]

Midfield so so close. Imagine if Mercedes didn’t exist, this season would’ve been fun

[stefa]

BTW, that "special" thing Mr. B was talking about, when will it come? :-D

[tifosi1993]

Midfield so so close. Imagine if Mercedes didn’t exist, this season would’ve been fun

Imagine this years Ferrari with last years engine. Ferrari would easily be the second fastest car, at least.

[Rishu]

Imagine this years Ferrari with last years engine. Ferrari would easily be the second fastest car, at least.

Only a matter of time, engine has been Ferrari’s weakness very rarely

[stefa]

Imagine this years Ferrari with last years engine. Ferrari would easily be the second fastest car, at least.

Still second. Not first!

[Warp]

This is so painful..

[Rishu]

Still second. Not first!

Mate, I hope you aren’t a school teacher, kids would’ve had a miserable life :D

[tifosi1993]

Vettel out of Q1

[stefa]

SV out

[jgonzalesm6]

Man....the traffic sucks.

[stefa]

Mate, I hope you aren’t a school teacher, kids would’ve had a miserable life :D

No. I am not a teacher, I am just not satisfying with the crumbs! Always aim for the best and more!

[jgonzalesm6]

Seb is out.

Leclerc hits P9.

Gasly P5.

[Rishu]

This whole tow thing, second year in a row at this track

[Alonsomaniac]

Why was Vettel there on that moment?? Leclerc was a little later and improved his time!

[nani_s23]

Traffic :rotfl F1 show

[Tifoso Svedese]

Vettel :rotfl Best by date July 2018.

[Alakshendra]

****ed up startegy again

[458 Italia]

Sounds like a bit of farce!

[nani_s23]

Why was Vettel there on that moment?? Leclerc was a little later and improved his time!

Infront 2 Williams 2 Alfa’s... who are battling for position

[tifosi1993]

I think those group cars got greedy. Leclerc had clear track ahead of him, Vettel should've waited and let others go, rather than hoping for a toe

[ntukza]

What a mess!!! :lol:lol:lol:lol

[stefa]

Vettel :rotfl Best by date July 2018.

Yeah, for sure it is his mistake that super minds from pit wall sent him in that group!

[Vettel165]

Crazy ferrari to sent Seb out so late.

[stefa]

What a mess!!! :lol:lol:lol:lol

Isn't it always when you have a dog of a car?

[tifosi1993]

Yeah, for sure it is his mistake that super minds from pit wall sent him in that group!

Yeah well...Leclerc, Gasly and Magnussen made a clean track for themselves. Maybe Vettel should've let others go, rather than hoping for a toe.

[KimiBot]

Yeah, for sure it is his mistake that super minds from pit wall sent him in that group!

:thumb

[Alonsomaniac]

Crazy ferrari to sent Seb out so late.

So late? He was too early! Leclerc was behind him.

[Vettel165]

Does is matter if you are 11. Or 17. You dont get a single point. Out tyre wear is bad, our car is bad, our strategy is a nightmare. A disaster.

[nani_s23]

This is not race, why cars are fighting around the first corners I don’t get it.

[stefa]

Yeah well...Leclerc, Gasly and Magnussen made a clean track for themselves. Maybe Vettel should've let others go, rather than hoping for a toe.

How come it is always Vettel?! You can read minds, so you know that he was hoping for a tow? Is it was a TEAM mistake for not sent him earlier or later?

[stefa]

Does is matter if you are 11. Or 17. You dont get a single point. Out tyre wear is bad our car is bad our strategy is a nightmare. A disaster.
:clap

[nani_s23]

So late? He was too early! Leclerc was behind him.

There were 7-8 cars between vettel & Leclerc.
Ferrari should have sent vettel out just like Leclerc who did it 3 times. Of course first timed lap was deleted. Nevertheless it did good for Leclerc.

[nani_s23]

It was in 1984 where ferrari started outside top 10 & now again failed to reach both cars in Q3

[tifosi1993]

How come it is always Vettel?! You can read minds, so you know that he was hoping for a tow? Is it was a TEAM mistake for not sent him earlier or later?

Leclerc was behind Vettel, and he had clear track ahead of him. All of them came out of the pits at the same time. Maybe stop blaming Ferrari every ******* time and use your head for a bit?

[KimiBot]

who really cares if it is P19 or P15

[tifosi1993]

Why was Vettel there on that moment?? Leclerc was a little later and improved his time!

Exactly. Leclerc was 1.8 sec behind Vettel at the first chicane. But Leclerc dropped back and Vettel kept on following the train ahead of him.

[Alonsomaniac]

Leclerc was behind Vettel, and he had clear track ahead of him. All of them came out of the pits at the same time. Maybe stop blaming Ferrari every ******* time and use your head for a bit?

Leclerc dropped speed and made room for himself. Vettel did not.

[nani_s23]

who really cares if it is P19 or P15

:thumb I don’t know what these guys will blame next time when vettel leave. :-D

[tifosi1993]

who really cares if it is P19 or P15

If you really don't care, then why are you blaming Ferrari?

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis a 1:19:02 in Q2....new track record. with 5 minutes to go in the session.

Party mode ban......yeeeeeeeaaaaah right!:roll

[Vettel165]

Embarassing very Embarassing.

The car feels good, much slower than before. Amazing.

[stefa]

Leclerc was behind Vettel, and he had clear track ahead of him. All of them came out of the pits at the same time. Maybe stop blaming Ferrari every ******* time and use your head for a bit?

You know I am reading what you have been posting here, and your attitude and language is out of line! Judging by your nick, you should have learned how to behave with years you have!

And I DO BLAME Ferrari for making such a HUGE DISASTER with this year championship, as with last 10! Still understanding cars, they are building?! Still having correlation problems with wind tunnel?!?!? Great job guys!

[patrese86]

Leclerc got through without a tow. We didn't need to take the risk like that. It's on the team and the driver.

I'm just fed up now though. This party mode ban hasn't done a single thing by the looks of it. Mercedes could qualify first on the hards probably. There is no way that engine is legal. There is so much downforce on the car still compared to everyone else. Even Red Bull with Newey can't match that

[stefa]

Lewis a 1:19:02 in Q2....new track record. with 5 minutes to go in the session.

Party mode ban......yeeeeeeeaaaaah right!:roll

As I said, it will not change a thing for them!

[458 Italia]

Oh...

[nani_s23]

Leclerc dropped speed and made room for himself. Vettel did not.

Behind Leclerc there are 5 cars (merc/Alfa) Behind vettel there are 8 cars between him & Lec.
The difference is if vettel slows down, there are cars who are fighting for the same Q2 slot. If vettel gives track position to them where would he fall?

I don’t blame ferrari nor vettel in this ... as like someone who always blame vettel :-D
Issue is with F1 track procedures, when last year we had the same issue & it repeated again. FIA didn’t address this, that’s the problem.

[JPMFerrari]

2020 will go down as one of Ferrari's worst season, it can't end soon enough.

[tifosi1993]

You know I am reading what you have been posting here, and your attitude and language is out of line! Judging by your nick, you should have learned how to behave with years you have!

And I DO BLAME Ferrari for making such a HUGE DISASTER with this year championship, as with last 10! Still understanding cars, they are building?! Still having correlation problems with wind tunnel?!?!? Great job guys!

And all you do is complaining. Leclerc was less than 2 seconds behind at the first chicane, but he made a clean track for himself by not follwing the train ahead of him. Maybe put the blame, for once, on Vettel and maybe, for once, stop blaming Ferrari for every single of Vettel's mistake.

[jgonzalesm6]

Bottas a 1:18:95 in Q2...new track record.

Leclerc is out of Q2.

[tifosi1993]

Charles P13. Only 0.159 seconds behind Albon on P10. Well done. That's the driver Ferrari needs, who always delivers regardless who bad the car is.

[stefa]

And all you do is complaining. Leclerc was less than 2 seconds behind at the first chicane, but he made a clean track for himself by not follwing the train ahead of him. Maybe put the blame, for once, on Vettel and maybe, for once, stop blaming Ferrari for every single of Vettel's mistake.

Once again I AM BLAMING Ferrari for making year after year from bad to mediocre back to bad cars! Did ever occurred to you that bad car is maybe very hard to drive?!

[Alonsomaniac]

Hmm........with Ocon getting penalized it will be 12 and 16.........

[patrese86]

We've took so much wing off the car we can't even get it round the corners :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Somebody is happy with P13??? Oh this is crazy...!! :rotfl

[stefa]

Hmm........with Ocon getting penalized it will be 12 and 16.........

That is so great! :lol

[stefa]

Somebody is happy with P13??? Oh this is crazy...!! :rotfl

:clap

[Vettel165]

No point arguing over p13 and p17. A joke.

Red Bull confirmed Albon the second driver has the slower car as max. The same can be said for Seb he gets worse parts and mechanics dont even give a thing about him anymore. Its always like this when you play the second fidle. It happened to Massa and Kimi and many more.

Ferrari getting their karma for sacking Seb. In a way I love it.

[KimiBot]

If you really don't care, then why are you blaming Ferrari?

because IMO team did know that this would happen, they could have send cars out 1 minute earlier, and no problems

[nani_s23]

Even if we got into Q3 with some luck...!! Looking at others pace & our race pace. We stand no chance into the points tmrw.
Hope there’s some luck for us.

[tifosi1993]

Once again I AM BLAMING Ferrari for making year after year from bad to mediocre back to bad cars! Did ever occurred to you that bad car is maybe very hard to drive?!

What a nice way to shift the goalpost. First blame the team for Vettel's own mistake, and now blame the car everything else. Have you been living under a rock the past 4-5 months? You have already said previously that you don't care about this year, then you are so vigorously bashing the team here.

[FFFerrari]

With tifosi there, the track would be burning.

This is the true pace of the car and it is absolutely awful. Leclerc did all he could.

[stefa]

What a nice way to shift the goalpost. First blame the team for Vettel's own mistake, and now blame the car everything else. Have you been living under a rock the past 4-5 months? You have already said previously that you don't care about this year, then you are so vigorously bashing the team here.

As you are saying, yes I am bashing the team, because it is not just this year! It seams you are been living under rock since 2008!

[Rishu]

No point arguing over p13 and p17. A joke.

Red Bull confirmed Albon the second driver has the slower car as max. The same can be said for Seb he gets worse parts and mechanics dont even a thing about him anymore. Its always like this when you play the second fidle. It happened to Massa and Kimi and many more.

Ferrari getting their karma for sacking Seb. In a way I love it.

Well done, I remember your initial days here calling yourself Ferrari fan

[killer]

So have we actually lost performance since Austria?

[Vettel165]

Alonso would win In this car...

[nani_s23]

No point arguing over p13 and p17. A joke.

Red Bull confirmed Albon the second driver has the slower čas as max. The same can be said for Seb he gets worse parts and mechanics dont even a thing about him anymore.

Ferrari getting their karma for sacking Seb. In a way I love it.

It’s totally wrong ... wt you are commenting. Car is worse I agree. But there’s no difference in setting up the cars on both drivers. It’s just Leclerc has the edge over vettel that’s it. End of the story. Don’t keep blind fanism.

There will be a phase or cycle which every driver will undergo at sometime, a better team mate will come against Leclerc too. It’s just we didn’t see what Hamilton can do against strong team mate as we saw in the case of vettel.

[Rishu]

Alonso would win In this car...

Why would you care? 3-4 months more and you can break free from this team who sacked Seb for no reason

[tifosi1993]

Hmm........with Ocon getting penalized it will be 12 and 16.........

Monza is always going to be struggle. Only trolls here having a field day of Ferrari's struggle, trolls that have joined this forum when Vettel was announced, and post nothing but Ferrari bashing memes and what not. The forum that we used have, its long gone.

Hopefully next year will get better, when they will follow their idols footstep and leave this forum once and for all.

[Alonsomaniac]

Once again I AM BLAMING Ferrari for making year after year from bad to mediocre back to bad cars! Did ever occurred to you that bad car is maybe very hard to drive?!

The car is bad. That's a fact and nothing can be done about it this moment. Fact is also that with a bad car you can do two things: 1 : do nothing and drown in the mess (Vettel) or 2: keep your head clear and get anything that can be possibly be in that car out of it: Leclerc.

[jgonzalesm6]

So have we actually lost performance since Austria?

Further than that.....after the FIA put in that 2nd fuel flow sensor.:-)

[Vettel165]

Well done, I remember your initial days here calling yourself Ferrari fan

Yeah I am still but because od members as tifosi who just live in their world nd are thinking both ferrari cars are equal its just hard.

I already give up on this season 3 races ago. I accepted the fact that alfa Romeo is faster than us.

But the fact remains thats the worse season for Ferrari in at least 30 years.

[nani_s23]

As you are saying, yes I am bashing the team, because it is not just this year! It seams you are been living under rock since 2008!

We have every right to praise/defend & yell at the team. We are fans. :thumb

[Rishu]

Yeah I am still but because od members as tifosi who just live in their Word and are thinking both ferrari cars are equal its just hard.

I already give up on this season 3 races ago. I accepted the fact that alfa Romeo is faster than us.

Did you complain when Webber was not getting equal equipment?

[tifosi1993]

Well done, I remember your initial days here calling yourself Ferrari fan

Only 3 months left, I guess we have to tolerate this Vettel fangirl brigade until then.

[jgonzalesm6]

All 6 Ferrari powered cars out of Q2.

No Ferrari cars in Q3 at the temple of speed.....crazy.

[stefa]

Alonso would win In this car...

You must be joking! This car can only win against Williams

[MSC Fan]

You must be joking! This car can only win against Williams

He was joking indeed.

[nani_s23]

Where would binotto fans would go when he leaves ferrari. Forum used to be good without biased or driver Hate’ism.
But few of them made up their minds to single out one particular driver. Don’t know what they will talk after vettel leaves.

Weird thing is they themselves call as Ferrari fan:rotfl.

[Vettel165]

Did you complain when Webber was not getting equal equipment?

Nope.

[NasI]

It is not Ferrari fault, it is a political game to see F1 with a bad Ferrari, imagine F1 without it. It is just a show of force but in a reverse direction.

[jgonzalesm6]

Last time Ferrari failed to start with a car inside the top 10 at Monza was 1984.

[stefa]

The car is bad. That's a fact and nothing can be done about it this moment. Fact is also that with a bad car you can do two things: 1 : do nothing and drown in the mess (Vettel) or 2: keep your head clear and get anything that can be possibly be in that car out of it: Leclerc.

And it will be just the matter of time, when CL sink into same as SV, with Ferrari keep on building dog of a cars!

[Rishu]

Nope.

Haha
At least you’re honest

[tifosi1993]

As you are saying, yes I am bashing the team, because it is not just this year! It seams you are been living under rock since 2008!

Well I'm not a bandwagon hopper like you. Support another team rather than bashing Ferrari. Ferrari has no moral obligation to make you or anyone else here happy.

[nani_s23]

Alonso would win In this car...

Yes Alonso can make a fight at least with this car. Not win.

[Vettel165]

It is what It is. But in this matter their is no excuses for Ferrari as a car being so bad. They should sack most od the leaders and enginners Binotto and so on and bring the new guys for a fresh start.

Both Seb and Charles are good drivers. Charles better in qualy but he is young. Seb getting older lost some pure pace in years but still can deliver if he had a better car.

The team should be ashamed not the drivers thats my point.

[nani_s23]

The car is bad. That's a fact and nothing can be done about it this moment. Fact is also that with a bad car you can do two things: 1 : do nothing and drown in the mess (Vettel) or 2: keep your head clear and get anything that can be possibly be in that car out of it: Leclerc.

Without those 2 podiums finish.... what answer you would have expect from binotto?
Fact is he expected we get into Q3 during FP3. I don’t know how did he expect that.

[tifosi1993]

And it will be just the matter of time, when CL sink into same as SV, with Ferrari keep on building dog of a cars!

Keep on trolling. The cars of 2017 and 2018 was more than enough to win WDC's in a capable hand. Last years car was "bad", but still fought for poles and wins. Just because this years car is bad for obvious reasons, doesn't mean everyone should bash this team left-right.

They don't owe you anything, support another team and take your Ferrari bash fest there.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis a 1:18:87....polej and fastest lap.

so much for the quali mode ban.

[killer]

Further than that.....after the FIA put in that 2nd fuel flow sensor.:-)

I did not know about that 2nd sensor. Correlating that with Rob’s intel that our engine can’t get any cleaner than this, the entirety of what Ferrari appears to have agreed to is deeply concerning. There HAS to be something else—either Ferrari have in reserve or a big sword the FIA holds over Ferrari’s head. You don’t get a top calibre team to just fold like that.

[tifosi1993]

As expected, Mercedes 1-2. Red Bull P5, and Marko was saying that the qualifying mode will benefit them. Utter tool. :lol

[nani_s23]

Keep on trolling. The cars of 2017 and 2018 was more than enough to WDC's in a capable hand. Last years car was "bad", but still fought for poles and wins. Just because this years car is bad for obvious reasons, doesn't mean everyone should bash this team left-right.

They don't owe you anything, support another team and take your Ferrari bash fest there.

2017 ??? Crazy :rotfl don’t your remember our car had reliability issues?
Famous Spark Plug issue? Where we didn’t even start?
Another race, engine issue.

[stefa]

Well I'm not a bandwagon hopper like you. Support another team rather than bashing Ferrari. Ferrari has no moral obligation to make you or anyone else here happy.

Always same narrative!!! :clapSupport another team... Son, when I was watching Ferrari and was on tracks, you ware in diapers... From this moment you can write, I'll not even bother reading nor replying to you! Have a nice life!

[nani_s23]

As expected, Mercedes 1-2. Red Bull P5, and Marko was saying that the qualifying mode will benefit them. Utter tool. :lol

You said it will effect Merc to some extent & Honda not much :-D

[nani_s23]

Always same narrative!!! :clapSupport another team... Son, when I was watching Ferrari and was on tracks, you ware in diapers... From this moment you can write, I'll not even bother reading nor replying to you! Have a nice life!

:rotfl he keeps up the same post “you are vettel fan & keep support other team”.

[stefa]

:rotfl he keeps up the same post “you are vettel fan & keep support other team”.

For the volks around here I have declared long time ago, as a Ferrari, not driver supporter. My first goal is CWC for Ferrari than WDC for its driver!

[Kyss4k]

Keep on trolling. The cars of 2017 and 2018 was more than enough to win WDC's in a capable hand. Last years car was "bad", but still fought for poles and wins. Just because this years car is bad for obvious reasons, doesn't mean everyone should bash this team left-right.

They don't owe you anything, support another team and take your Ferrari bash fest there.

You are the one trolling. These cars were good, but not enough to win WDC. Or do you wanna say Kimi is the worst driver in F1 as he was so far behind that crap driver you are saying Vettel is? Stop with this nonsense, there are some Vettel fanboys of course, but you are the other extreme, whoch makes you even worse in my eyes. Stop it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis broke Kimi's lap record at Monza.......and without a tow.......and without a party mode.:roll

[nani_s23]

You are the one trolling. These cars were good, but not enough to win WDC. Or do you wanna say Kimi is the worst driver in F1 as he was so far behind that crap driver you are saying Vettel is? Stop with this nonsense, there are some Vettel fanboys of course, but you are the other extreme, whoch makes you even worse in my eyes. Stop it.

Excellent.:clap
Now he will come up & say.
You are vettel fan & not ferrari.

[nani_s23]

Lewis broke Kimi's lap record at Monza.......and without a tow.......and without a party mode.:roll

:-E hybrid era belongs to Mercs. They have everything in reserve.

[KimiBot]

Lewis broke Kimi's lap record at Monza.......and without a tow.......and without a party mode.:roll

yeah, that is sad, another Ferrari record to Mercs, Mercs will be on the top all the tables soon

[MSC Fan]

Lewis broke Kimi's lap record at Monza.......and without a tow.......and without a party mode.:roll

I only hope this motivates the boys at the factory to work even harder just to spite those Mercs. That would be the best way to direct the anger.

[nani_s23]

For the volks around here I have declared long time ago, as a Ferrari, not driver supporter. My first goal is CWC for Ferrari than WDC for its driver!

Perfectly said. For me too... WCC.
I want to see Ferrari 1-2 finish irrespective of drivers.

[nani_s23]

By the way good job by Sainz :clap our future Ferrari driver

[nani_s23]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1302246053467611137?s=21
:roll

[PURE PASSION]

As I said before, our only hope is that we are focused on 22 and that the "arrangement " with the FIA might has something to do with that. So we might be good in 22, BUT the problem is that it will be nice if we start winning again and fight for the champooship, BUT till then Merc/Ham will (they already) have made such a legacy that will put a shadow on our performance.
Remember for years after 2004 we use to say that "we dominate for 5 years so unother can win again".
Now Merc and Merc fans will say the same thing and more!!!!! They will have every single record in F1.
Unless we start dominating too,I'm afraid that it wont be too sweet anything else!!!

[tifosi1993]

Always same narrative!!! :clapSupport another team... Son, when I was watching Ferrari and was on tracks, you ware in diapers... From this moment you can write, I'll not even bother reading nor replying to you! Have a nice life!

So you have numbers under your belt? What an achievement. :lol
Goes to show why age and wisdom don't go hand-hand sometimes.

And don't worry, whether you read my post or not doesn't worth anything.

[Vettel165]

Some good posters now with sense.

[KimiBot]

By the way good job by Sainz :clap our future Ferrari driver

hopefully one tifosi likes Sainz, so we dont have to read those hate posts every effing race weekend

[458 Italia]

Everyone knows merc are only operating at 80-90% they really have no need to stress their components, they know the outcome even before a wheel as been rotated.

The only time when a little chink in the armour appeared was then Pirelli brought tyres that they found too soft, which merc thoroughly reprimanded Pirelli for and not something they've done since.

[TTRSMAD]

Ferrari have more than enough time to work on next year engine and chassis. They should pay Andy Cowell what he want so they can stick it to Mercedes.

[nani_s23]

hopefully one tifosi likes Sainz, so we dont have to read those hate posts every effing race weekend

:thumb

[Brembo]

Perfectly said. For me too... WCC.
I want to see Ferrari 1-2 finish irrespective of drivers.

Well said. WCC is Ferrari the team. No need for Driver's contracts to have who's #1 written in and enforced. Charles is a great example. No let him pass!!

[nani_s23]

Ferrari have more than enough time to work on next year engine and chassis. They should pay Andy Cowell what he want so they can stick it to Mercedes.

James Key is also available next year I think so. We can pitch him in.

[tifosi1993]

You are the one trolling. These cars were good, but not enough to win WDC. Or do you wanna say Kimi is the worst driver in F1 as he was so far behind that crap driver you are saying Vettel is? Stop with this nonsense, there are some Vettel fanboys of course, but you are the other extreme, whoch makes you even worse in my eyes. Stop it.

I was wondering where you are. All those Ferrari bashers out on force, and the best of them were missing, no longer that is.

There's nothing nonsense about facts. Vettel is the most mistake prone driver in F1, even other drivers have started to call his spins as "Seb-spin". Ferrari's of 2017-2018 were more than enough to win the WDC. That's not gonna change the fact, just like its not gonna change the numbers of crashes and spins Vette has had those years.

[TTRSMAD]

I agree on getting James Key.

[nani_s23]

Toto Wolff: "We didn't push the engine much today."

Mercs trolling with F1 fans ....

[PURE PASSION]

Toto Wolff: "We didn't push the engine much today."

[jgonzalesm6]

Everyone knows merc are only operating at 80-90% they really have no need to stress their components, they know the outcome even before a wheel as been rotated.



agreed

[tifosi1993]

I only hope this motivates the boys at the factory to work even harder just to spite those Mercs. That would be the best way to direct the anger.

It will. Ferrari all of a sudden, hasn't forgotten to design a great engine. They will have a answer to Mercedes next season.

[nani_s23]

Toto Wolff also about the mid-season engine rule change: "The change led by some teams backfired."

Is he talking about Ferrari ? :furious or might be binotto. As binotto said earlier, “you will see the difference after party mode ban”.

[458 Italia]

Toto Wolff: "We didn't push the engine much today."

Mercs trolling with F1 fans ....

ha! See my post above. wolf states the obvious.

[TTRSMAD]

Everyone knows merc are only operating at 80-90% they really have no need to stress their components, they know the outcome even before a wheel as been rotated.

The only time when a little chink in the armour appeared was then Pirelli brought tyres that they found too soft, which merc thoroughly reprimanded Pirelli for and not something they've done since.

That is exactly the reason why the FiA needs to investigate Mercedes to see if that advantage is legit.

[Kyss4k]

I was wondering where you are. All those Ferrari bashers out on force, and the best of them were missing, no longer that is.

There's nothing nonsense about facts. Vettel is the most mistake prone driver in F1, even other drivers have started to call his spins as "Seb-spin". Ferrari's of 2017-2018 were more than enough to win the WDC. That's not gonna change the fact, just like its not gonna change the numbers of crashes and spins Vette has had those years.

You are ridiculous. Good luck in being a retard who makes no sense. I always said that Vettel started to make mistakes after Germany 2018, but he was great before that and all that time he was way faster than Kimi. He sucks now for some reason, but so do you so.... I can see the picture very clearly. You are just a blinded hater and my time and time of all others here is way too precious to waste it on you anymore kid.

[nani_s23]

ha! See my post above. wolf states the obvious.

Yup. I’m sick of this merc show with no competition.
There are drivers out there with good talent who are getting lost with this.

[tifosi1993]

You are ridiculous. Good luck in being a retard who makes no sense. I always said that Vettel started to make mistakes after Germany 2018, but he was great before that and all that time he was way faster than Kimi. He sucks now for some reason, but so do you so.... I can see the picture very clearly. You are just a blinded hater and my time and time of all others here is way too precious to waste it on you anymore kid.

Oooh, you are angry. Can't do anything about the facts, so now had to resort to personal insults. Typical. :rotfl

(Before Germany 2018 :lol)

2018 Germany - Crash from lead
2018 France - Crashed with Bottas
2018 Baku - Lost lead due to lock up
2017 Mexico - Crashed with Verstappen and Hamilton
2017 Singapore - Crashed with Kimi and Verstappen
2017 Malaysia - Crashed with Stroll (after race)
2017 Baku - Crashed into Hamilton on purpose
2017 Canada - Crashed with Verstappen
2016 Brazil - Spin during rain
2016 Mexico - Crash with Ricciardo
2016 Malaysia - Crashed with Rosberg
2016 Belgium - Crashed with Kimi
2016 Britain- Multiple spins in rain
2016 China - Crashed with Kimi on lap 1 (the Kvyat Torpedo)
2015 Mexico - Spin on his own
2015 Bahrain - Broken front wing after running off-track

[458 Italia]

Toto Wolff also about the mid-season engine rule change: "The change led by some teams backfired."

Is he talking about Ferrari ? :furious

Probably. What we do know is (Thanks to Rob) our engine is the only legit engine; in that it has no tricks it's as clean as a whistle. The FIA felt they needed to appease Ferrari somewhat and agreed to ban quali modes which other teams were still using to try and reset the balance a bit. It was likely promised to Ferrari by the FIA that it would help, but clearly it's done nothing. Well not at Monza anyway.

[Stormsearcher]

By the way good job by Sainz :clap our future Ferrari driver

Yea. was surprised by the mclaren pace. good for them too. Wonder if mclaren have turned up their engines compared to renault.
Sainz might be a good pick by Ferrrari! :-)

[PURE PASSION]

Toto Wolff also about the mid-season engine rule change: "The change led by some teams backfired."

They make us look so little!!!!!!:-(
The thing is that whatever bad thing they accuse us (like last year with the engine), its end up bad for us and the changes/directives hurt us a lot so they lt looks like they rightly call us cheaters.And when we try to do the same with them and "force" FIA to made changes to stop them,we see that nothing changes so again they laugh with us!!!!!
This is so frustrating and it really hurts our image and our credibility as a team!!!!!

[Stormsearcher]

Yup. I’m sick of this merc show with no competition.
There are drivers out there with good talent who are getting lost with this.

Agreed! Not so much about drivers getting lost, but its a snooze-fest for us fans.

[458 Italia]

That is exactly the reason why the FiA needs to investigate Mercedes to see if that advantage is legit.

That would involve the FIA investigating themselves though wouldn't it? lol. It was them that helped merc by giving them a leg up on what the rules would be 2 years before anyone else. Can't get a bigger advantage than that!

[TTRSMAD]

Toto Wolff also about the mid-season engine rule change: "The change led by some teams backfired."

Is he talking about Ferrari ? :furious or might be binotto. As binotto said earlier, “you will see the difference after party mode ban”.

This from Toto can be a bluff. I can possibly be the opposite and they decided to run the engine more aggressive for the race, we will see if they get any problems in the coming weeks.

[Stormsearcher]

Only 3 months left, I guess we have to tolerate this Vettel fangirl brigade until then.

We should be so lucky!
Hes not going to go.

[Vettel165]

If we get a single point tomorrow it will feel like a win.
Seb should try to start on hards go long than wait for safety car and pit for mediums.

[tifosi1993]

Bottas: "I'm not sure how happy Red Bull is now with this engine change"

Helmut Marko is an idiot. Running his mouth about engine mode ban, and now his car is behind now only Mercedes, but Mclaren as well.

[nani_s23]

Toto Wolff also about the mid-season engine rule change: "The change led by some teams backfired."

They make us look so little!!!!!!:-(
The thing is that whatever bad thing they accuse us (like last year with the engine), its end up bad for us and the changes/directives hurt us a lot so they lt looks like they rightly call us cheaters.And when we try to do the same with them and "force" FIA to made changes to stop them,we see that nothing changes so again they laugh with us!!!!!
This is so frustrating and it really hurts our image and our credibility as a team!!!!!

Yup my point too

[tifosi1993]

We should be so lucky!
Hes not going to go.

It's not just him, there are few out there, All joined this forum at the same time frame.

Hopefully the mods will take care of the rest when herr Vettel leaves.

[nani_s23]

This from Toto can be a bluff. I can possibly be the opposite and they decided to run the engine more aggressive for the race, we will see if they get any problems in the coming weeks.

It’s just our wish. Nothing’s gonna change. Merc will continue to dominate till 2021.
I didn’t see any team do such domination with huge lead everytime. FIA used to stop such domination like it did with Ferrari & RB. But this is going beyond.

[Stormsearcher]

Yeah I am still but because od members as tifosi who just live in their world nd are thinking both ferrari cars are equal its just hard.

I already give up on this season 3 races ago. I accepted the fact that alfa Romeo is faster than us.

But the fact remains thats the worse season for Ferrari in at least 30 years.

Dude. Last season started out by Ferrari announcing SV gets top priority over CL. And he did. Then what happened? CL did out perform him with the worse car, didnt he?

[Stormsearcher]

This race is a goner for us. It will be a huge bonus if we even get points.
How is the next track? we must fare better there no?

[nani_s23]

This race is a goner for us. It will be a huge bonus if we even get points.
How is the next track? we must fare better there no?

Mugello should be good for us I think. But we don’t have strong aero package either

[nani_s23]

Helmut Marko said to Sky Germany that Monza is not a representative track to evaluate the party mode ban.

Marko :rotfl:rotfl

[nani_s23]

Leclerc admits Ferrari's struggles "hurt even more" at Monza

Binotto at the start of this race : Spa is a one off for Ferrari. He doesn’t know what he’s saying. Does he listen to his drivers ?