Tuscan GP 2020 Free practice & qualy

[Ferrarichamp]

FP1 due to start at 11am local time.
What can we expect from this race?

[nani_s23]

FP1 due to start at 11am local time.
What can we expect from this race?

A good show from ferrari, not a repeat of last 2 races

[MSC Fan]

This track, much like Silverstone is fast and flowy and is more notorious for killing tyres. I predict that we start P7-P8, one stop our way (thanks to our superior tyre efficient car) to P4-P5. But if the Mercedes kills its tyres fast enough, we can expect a podium.

[Vettel165]

I expect nothing, probably p11, p10 in Q3, and than being p9, p8 max in the race. Chassis is pretty bad, engine even worse. This track has way to many high speed corners, and also is a track with a lot of time being on full throttle. Being in the points will feel like a win.

I am feeling a Max win this time.

[Rob]

High temps, High track temps too.

What tyres been bought?

[Alonsomaniac]

I expect a beautiful looking car. That's what I'll be focusing on this weekend, not the race.

[Rob]

I expect a beautiful looking car. That's what I'll be focusing on this weekend, not the race.

The car look beautiful in the burgundy, same as the 125.

No way moving up field this year. Mattio has said, this year is gone. People got sit back and enjky watching race.

[Ferrarichamp]

High temps, High track temps too.

What tyres been bought?

isn't it set allocations this year?

[Rob]

isn't it set allocations this year?

I have no idea. Have not really followed to close.

Just saw the temps and thought could be in for another good ine if the softer compounds been bought again.

[458 Italia]

I have no idea. Have not really followed to close.

Just saw the temps and thought could be in for another good ine if the softer compounds been bought again.

Come on Rob you know that's unlikely given how the mercs struggled a little bit last time. ;-)

[paolo lalli]

The sad fiddle about the current ferrari is well worn, same old rhetoric we all know just how bad it is.Try and look on the brite side like 1000gp no team will repeat this, charles the best young talent on the grid no doubt, ferrari itself for evolving and pushing limits even though it has not worked out and of course the stunning Tuscany just to name a few.

[MSC Fan]

Crofty is such a hater.

[killer]

Such a beautiful track. Hope they keep it.

Driver should make more of a pronounced difference here.

[KimiBot]

Such a beautiful track. Hope they keep it.

Driver should make more of a pronounced difference here.

Yeah, and it looks like Charles is shining all ready.

[Warp]

isn't it set allocations this year?

Hardest compound if i remember correctly. This track is similar to Silverstone when it comes to the tyres. Pirelli doesn't want to risk it.

[458 Italia]

Crofty is such a hater.

So very true. What crap is spewing out of his mouth today?

[458 Italia]

Hardest compound if i remember correctly. This track is similar to Silverstone when it comes to the tyres. Pirelli doesn't want to risk it.

Like I said they won't want to face the wrath of merc again so soon.

[MSC Fan]

So very true. What crap is spewing out of his mouth today?

Just going on about how Ferrari might be using very low level of fuel to get on top of the time sheets despite doing a stint that is comparable to the others. I really can't understand if he is sarcastic or genuinely clueless.

[Tifoso Svedese]

P3 in the first, not bad!

Might be a chance of second row on the grid here with race modes in? *whispers*

Hard to tell what the pink cheats will be up to yet, but at least it appears as though Charles will have a chance to go quite deep in Q3 considering what S2 on this track is like.

[paolo lalli]

Clueless

[458 Italia]

Just going on about how Ferrari might be using very low level of fuel to get on top of the time sheets despite doing a stint that is comparable to the others. I really can't understand if he is sarcastic or genuinely clueless.

I've never heard the man say a sincere word about Ferrari whatsoever, it's always snide remarks or little patronising digs here and there, the same goes for kravitz.

[paolo lalli]

True ferrari passion from Charles with seb who knows.One thing is crystal clear charles is very FAST.

[MSC Fan]

I've never heard the man say a sincere word about Ferrari whatsoever, it's always snide remarks or little patronising digs here and there, the same goes for kravitz.

The man must have been crying himself to sleep back when Michael was destroying the whole grid and now just taking guilty pleasure with the current state of the team. I hope the boys and girls at Maranello work extremely hard to show this man his place.

[MSC Fan]

True ferrari passion from Charles with seb who knows.One thing is crystal clear charles is very FAST.

I'm sure Seb is doing his best too (or else he risks crashing his stock to an even lower level). It's just that Charles is probably the best driver on the grid when it comes to raw pace and adaptability. Maybe this period in his career could be his best lesson in fine tuning his skill and would one day look back to acknowledge it.

[Warp]

Probably glory runs but FPs is good indicator of our performance so far (Spa, Monza etc).

[Warp]

Like I said they won't want to face the wrath of merc again so soon.

To be honest i dont think its about Mercedes. There's massive stress on tyres, especially at turn 4 and 5. Mercedes looks so planted, they're going flatout. I dont think they have competition here, no matter what.

[MSC Fan]

Probably glory runs but FPs is good indicator of our performance so far (Spa, Monza etc).

Charles was quite confident in the press conference yesterday and so far, he has been quite a reliable source on the car. So, I don't think it exactly is a glory run but I am not fully convinced otherwise either. We will only know tomorrow.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Charles was quite confident in the press conference yesterday and so far, he has been quite a reliable source on the car. So, I don't think it exactly is a glory run but I am not fully convinced otherwise either. We will only know tomorrow.

Given Charles would've finished P4 in Spain with a lowly starting position on a track where overtaking is even worse than here, I'm confident that can be repeated this weekend. Especially since I do expect us to qualify better now that cars with the other engines have been castrated in qualifying trim.

[KimiBot]

Here we have one massive overtake/zone, so no problems with overtaking, but do we have power to overtake, maybe not

[Tifoso Svedese]

Here we have one massive overtake/zone, so no problems with overtaking, but do we have power to overtake, maybe not

If we get within the first three rows we won't need to, because we have better tyre wear than those around us. I fully expect one stop for us and two for the direct competitors.

[KimiBot]

If we get within the first three rows we won't need to, because we have better tyre wear than those around us. I fully expect one stop for us and two for the direct competitors.

Cool, if so, then it does not look so bad, but I do not have much optimism left...yeah, we will see

[KimiBot]

I am not sure but it looks like quali could be dangerous here too, chances for heavy crashes

[PURE PASSION]

Lec did a 3 tenth slower lap then FP1 ????!!!!

[nani_s23]

Lec did a 3 tenth slower lap then FP1 ????!!!!

Track conditions

[PURE PASSION]

Track conditions

The others are 1+ sec down ????!!
Was it a glory run on FP1 ???!!!

[MSC Fan]

Setup must have been different.

[Ferrarichamp]

I hope we get a top 6 finish at least.

[KimiBot]

I think Charles had to panic brake and went wide, because Kimi or Gio was starting fast lap and went very slow, yeah did look dangerous, and I am sure that will happen in quali too, hopefully nothing bad happens

[KimiBot]

Come on Perez, what was that

[nani_s23]

Come on Perez, what was that

Perez should look into his mirrors. It was too casual from him.

[nani_s23]

FP3 will give better picture of where do we stand.
Hopefully some decent points. But at the moment looks car looks very twitchy.

[MSC Fan]

Perez is still shaken from the news yesterday.

[nani_s23]

Perez is still shaken from the news yesterday.

It happens ...there will be a element where you no longer care whatever the result you achieve or loose from now on.
That’s how it goes.

[KimiBot]

Perez is still shaken from the news yesterday.

Seb takes his seat or what, did not read news

[MSC Fan]

Seb takes his seat or what, did not read news

Yep.

[KimiBot]

Yep.

great for Seb, hopefully Perez gets seat, Haas would be perfect for him

[jgonzalesm6]

Seb stops dead on the track.

[Vettel165]

Not a single chance to fight in this inferior machinery.

Gp2 car. Here we go again. What a disgrace by Ferrari! But its nearly always Seb who gets the bad parts and a car. Leclerc had a single problem the entire season.

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[nani_s23]

Binotto on whether Vettel will be good at Aston Martin:

"Will he be good? I think yes he will. But I hope we will be infront of him."

Binotto is hyping the next season for us :-D

[stefa]

Binotto on whether Vettel will be good at Aston Martin:

"Will he be good? I think yes he will. But I hope we will be infront of him."

Binotto is hyping the next season for us :-D


...as we are also... since 2008...

[paolo lalli]

So what if ferrari give vetal inferior parts the remaining races are for information gathering and testing for next year.Charles has the priority seb is doing his part as a highly paid test mule he can take it or leave it.shumacher can take his place for the remaining races.seb can then start hanging out of racing points garage warming up to his new team i wish set luck.

[nani_s23]

...as we are also... since 2008...

:-D

[nani_s23]

Sebastian’s car stopped at the side of the track because of a trivial electrical fault that has already been fixed."

[Brembo]

The electrical fault was with his radio. It went on and said Let Charles pass!

[Rob]

Scarperia, 11 September 2020 – This morning, shortly after 11, the two SF1000s took to the track in their special Burgundy livery, the deep red originally seen on the 125 S, the very first Ferrari ever built, to complete their installation lap to kick off the Maranello marque’s 1000th Grand Prix in Formula 1. At this historic moment, fans in the grandstand applauded as Charles Leclerc and Sebastian Vettel drove out of the garage. It was a very symbolic and important moment, combining the legend and tradition of the Prancing Horse with the much awaited presence of fans in the grandstands for the first time this season, their absence down to the current pandemic.

Two GPs. The Prancing Horse has owned the Mugello circuit since 1988, so this was very much a home race for the team, whose two SF1000s completed a total of 120 laps of the 5.245 kilometre long track, almost the equivalent of two race distances in Sunday’s Toscana-Ferrari 1000 Grand Prix. The team worked through its usual programme, focused on fine tuning the car and evaluating the tyres, Pirelli having supplied their three hardest compounds for this weekend.

FP1. Charles and Seb did 27 laps each, while working on different programmes at first. For the first 40 minutes Charles ran the Medium tyres and Sebastian used Hard. Leclerc set a time of 1’19”468 and his team-mate posted a 1’21”333. Work then switched to qualifying mode running Soft tyres with which Charles did a 1’18”186, third fastest in the session and Seb was 13th with a 1’19”267.

FP2. The afternoon session was red flagged twice: the first after Lando Norris went off in the McLaren and the second after Sergio Perez and Kimi Raikkonen collided at turn 1. The stops slightly affected the Scuderia’s programme as its drivers only managed one qualifying-type lap with Leclerc doing a 1’18”400, which was slower than his morning time and Vettel a 1’18”498. The drivers had switched programmes with Charles this time starting on the Hard tyres and Sebastian evaluated the Mediums. Towards the end, both drivers ran in race configuration with various tyre compounds and fuel loads. On his last lap, Sebastian’s car stopped at the side of the track because of a trivial electrical fault that has already been fixed.

Programme. The cars are back on track tomorrow at 12 for the final hour of practice prior to qualifying, which starts at 3pm. The Toscana-Ferrari 1000 Grand Prix will start at 15.10 on Sunday 13 September.

Charles Leclerc #16
“Driving an F1 car around this circuit is unbelievable. In all the fast sections it’s pretty impressive. I think it’s going to be quite a tough race, physically, as already in the long run we’ve done in FP2 the neck starts to feel it! The lack of run-off areas will also make it difficult, but I guess this is what we like as well. The first session went well but maybe where we ended up in the second one is a more realistic picture, when we struggled a bit on the hard tyre.
We also need to work on the balance, as we are not really there yet. It’s all very close but I think we can make a positive step tomorrow. I am optimistic.”

Sebastian Vettel #5
“It was an interesting day. Mugello is a very nice track which is very enjoyable for the driver, even if it is quite brutal on tyres. I’m still not happy with the balance of the car.
We are working on it and there’s still plenty to do, but it is Friday, and this is what Fridays are for. I think that there’s the potential to find a better set-up on the car and that we will find some small things. I’m confident we can improve it for qualifying.”

[Ferrarichamp]

Charles sounds quite positive. Feels like there's a real chance of a top 5 finish here, maybe even better?

[Brembo]

I can't stop laughing at the names of curves 8 & 9 !! Arrabbiata 1 & Arrabbiata 2 . Tremendous rage, anger , to blow up !

[wisepie]

I can't stop laughing at the names of curves 8 & 9 !! Arrabbiata 1 & Arrabbiata 2 . Tremendous rage, anger , to blow up !

We've got used to being molto arrabbiato this season, with some luck maybe we can have a clean race for a change.:Hmm:pray

[KimiBot]

and weather is nice too

[nani_s23]

Not able to understand why vettel is so far off Leclerc.
Last year avg quali gap between Lec & vettel = 0.15

[KimiBot]

Not able to understand why vettel is so far off Leclerc.
Last year avg quali gap between Lec & vettel = 0.15

Charles is so much better driver, and this track shows who is who, I think so

[nani_s23]

Charles is so much better driver, and this track shows who is who, I think so

Agree but last year too these drivers were team mates right? Gap was never in this range which we are seeing now.

[KimiBot]

Agree but last year too these drivers were team mates right? Gap was never in this range which we are seeing now.

Charles getting more confident and Seb losing confidence and motivation

[nani_s23]

Charles getting more confident and Seb losing confidence and motivation

Latifi- Williams is faster than vettel.

[Ferrarichamp]

Latifi- Williams is faster than vettel.

I'm faster than Vettel on my bicycle :-D

[KimiBot]

we will see if this is real picture in quali too, should be, because no party mode
I mean Max and Mercs hamburger

[nani_s23]

I'm faster than Vettel on my bicycle :-D

It’s F1 not any bi-cycle show :-D

[paolo lalli]

Will alpha tauri finish in front of ferrari and upstage them again in italy.?

[nani_s23]

we will see if this is real picture in quali too, should be, because no party mode

I have a feeling that
1. Vettel doing it purposely. (He doesn’t care anymore?)
2. Car is different (certainly new parts will not be given to out going driver, correct me if I’m wrong)

No conspiracy...:-D

[KimiBot]

I have a feeling that
1. Vettel doing it purposely. (He doesn’t care anymore?)
2. Car is different (certainly new parts will not be given to out going driver, correct me if I’m wrong)

No conspiracy...:-D

why would he work hard, they fired him, of course he has no motivation, stupid move by Binotto, should have waited to the end of the year

[KimiBot]

but anyways, this track IMO shows difference with drivers, race in Spa did show difference with cars

[nani_s23]

why would he work hard, they fired him, of course he has no motivation, stupid move by Binotto, should have waited to the end of the year

Hmmm might be combination of both and yes he should handled at the end of the year.

[Alonsomaniac]

I have a feeling that
1. Vettel doing it purposely. (He doesn’t care anymore?)
2. Car is different (certainly new parts will not be given to out going driver, correct me if I’m wrong)

No conspiracy...:-D

No, there is no conspiracy, you are very right.
But Vettel not caring........he is a racingdriver, they always care.
Car different, could be.
But for me, the car is very difficult. Vettel fights the car, but Leclerc is a dancer. He is one of those rare talents who can do that with a car but he is always in the lead. They let the car do what it can do, and by doing that he gets everything out of it.

[MSC Fan]

Vettel is simply not as good as Leclerc when both are in a mediocre car with that being said I can bet my money that he is still a top 5 driver and would drive circles around anyone who is not named Leclerc, Verstappen, Hamilton and Ricciardo. The SF1000 looks like a pain to drive.

[MSC Fan]

Agree but last year too these drivers were team mates right? Gap was never in this range which we are seeing now.

It is a combination of Leclerc getting better and Vettel not adapting. If both were driving a Mercedes, the gap would be -0.2 seconds in favour of Leclerc. The same thing happened with Kimi and Nando in 2014. Alonso was better of course, but the gap was greatly exaggerated by the car being hard to drive.

[xlr8]

Charles has already beaten Vettel in every category possible last year, and he will keep on improving. So, him beating Vettel is not surprising.

But the focus shouldn't be on Leclerc vs Vettel, the focus should be on Ferrari. How can a team like Ferrari, with their perpetual money and resources performing like the way they are now? I think we all know the answer.

TBH, I don't want Leclerc and Sainz to suffer same fate as Alonso, and by some lesser extent, Vettel has suffered. But I'm also can't see any light at the end of the tunnel either. It's a team that lacks diverse workforce, 99.9% of Ferrari's entire workforce is Italian, and it seems keeping the team "Italian" is more important than on-track performance.

[PURE PASSION]

Vet wants a specific type of car with great rear end.
When the car is perfect for his linens he is one of the fastest drivers out there if not THE fastest!!!!!
The problem begins when the car is not perfect and worse. Then he start losing speed/confidence compare to the other top drivers like Lec,Ham,Ves,Alo.

[xlr8]

Vettel is simply not as good as Leclerc when both are in a mediocre car with that being said I can bet my money that he is still a top 5 driver and would drive circles around anyone who is not named Leclerc, Verstappen, Hamilton and Ricciardo. The SF1000 looks like a pain to drive.

And the same group of people who have designed the current car and cheated with last years engine are going to anchor Ferrari towards a new "winning cycle" starting from 2022? LOL.

And no, it's not a dig towards your post, it's a dig towards Ferrari's current top brass.

[nani_s23]

Yup vettel can’t adapt worse car, that’s the difference.

[chinmay]

Yup vettel can’t adapt worse car, that’s the difference.

Vettel's performance is also swinging very wildly. In Styrian and Hungarian Grand Prix, he was faster than Leclerc. Then suddenly in the next race (Silverstone), he was almost a second slower than Leclerc.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Optimistic about third-row chances provided Charles can nail S2 in Q2 and Q3. Hopefully he can beat Pérez, Sainz, Gasly, Albon and Ocon at least. Sadly don't think Stroll is within reach here. From P6 I think he's favourite to finish in the top four.

[MSC Fan]

Vettel's performance is also swinging very wildly. In Styrian and Hungarian Grand Prix, he was faster than Leclerc. Then suddenly in the next race (Silverstone), he was almost a second slower than Leclerc.

Both in Styria and Hungary, he outqualified Leclerc by less than a tenth (in Hungary in particular Leclerc had a bit of snap oversteer right at the final corner before the main straight). In Vettel's defence, Silverstone was always a weak track for him and the fact that he couldn't fully take part in FP sessions didn't help either.

When Vettel outqualified Leclerc, it was usually by less than a tenth while when Leclerc outqualifies Vettel, it is an average of 2-3 tenths.

[JPZ]

Charles has already beaten Vettel in every category possible last year, and he will keep on improving. So, him beating Vettel is not surprising.

But the focus shouldn't be on Leclerc vs Vettel, the focus should be on Ferrari. How can a team like Ferrari, with their perpetual money and resources performing like the way they are now? I think we all know the answer.

TBH, I don't want Leclerc and Sainz to suffer same fate as Alonso, and by some lesser extent, Vettel has suffered. But I'm also can't see any light at the end of the tunnel either. It's a team that lacks diverse workforce, 99.9% of Ferrari's entire workforce is Italian, and it seems keeping the team "Italian" is more important than on-track performance.

I don't believe it's an official policy, they are clearly trying to recruit people from other countries.

[jgonzalesm6]

It's a team that lacks diverse workforce, 99.9% of Ferrari's entire workforce is Italian, and it seems keeping the team "Italian" is more important than on-track performance.

Italian car manufacturers also are NOT into hybridization.

Germany is.....Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, and BMW. Especially in motorsports with Porsche and Audi in LMP1 and Mercedes in F1.


I don't believe it's an official policy, they are clearly trying to recruit people from other countries.

Yes, Ferrari is trying to recruit and have recruited from outside Italy.....but they are not the best or lack the expertise in hybridizaton, engineering, aerodynamacists, strategists, etc.

Porsche and Audi(Team Joest) are out of LMP1 at WEC......Ferrari should recruit from those outfits. They were powerhouses in WEC in the LMP1.

IF Ferrari has recruited from those outfits, then the problem is the move to Italy....which will be on on-going problem or dilemma.

Just because your Ferrari, does'nt mean the best are going to up-and-move to live in Italy.

[KimiBot]

Here we go, good luck to our guys

:ferrarifl

[jgonzalesm6]

Camilleri is in the Ferrari garage.

[jgonzalesm6]

Both drivers into Q2..

[Tifoso Svedese]

Albon's speed is not good for us for tomorrow, sigh.

[Alonsomaniac]

Pffffff........Vettel............

[Tifoso Svedese]

Leclerc is where we need him to be, but Vettel was atrocious.

Still disappointed though because I had taken into account that we'd be faster than Albon over one lap and that we're not is going to cost best of the rest tomorrow, even if we make the third row.

[Vettel165]

Vettel's performance is also swinging very wildly. In Styrian and Hungarian Grand Prix, he was faster than Leclerc. Then suddenly in the next race (Silverstone), he was almost a second slower than Leclerc.

Well Seb missed practice 1 and 2 for mechanical failure.
The same story again this week had engine problem and the car is a joke.

[jgonzalesm6]

So Gasly, a win at Monza, is out of Q1.

[jgonzalesm6]

Seb out of Q2.

Leclerc into Q3.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The sudden Renault surge in Q2 is no good for us. Major obstacle towards third row. We absolutely need to be right on Albon's heels to even stand a chance tomorrow.

[Alonsomaniac]

Leclerc will be 7 or 8..........prove me wrong Charles by doing better!

[Vettel165]

You can see they are using Seb car as a mule car for next year. So they are testing thing on his car if
things felt apart engine or chassis is not good they just dont do similar than to Charles. A big big joke. Seb probably dont get a single Update in this car. Ferrari will get a curse karma for this. You will not win the wdc for 10 years from now on. The way the are handling a 4 time world champion is a big joke.

[jgonzalesm6]

Albon hanging in there.....right behind Max.

[Rishu]

You can see they are using Seb car as a mule car for next year. So they are testing thing on his car if
things felt apart engine or chassis is not good they just dont do similar than to Charles. A big big joke. Seb probably dont get a single Update in this car. Ferrari will get a curse karma for this. You will not win the wdc for 10 years from now on. The way the are handling a 4 time world champion is a big joke.

The joke is your made up allegations

[patrese86]

Brilliant Charles!

[Rishu]

P5. Well done Charles

[Tifoso Svedese]

YES!!! Game on tomorrow when the faster engines can't stay flat through the mid as easy :ferrarifl

[Alonsomaniac]

Thanks Charles!!

[Vettel165]

Lucky Charles strikes again.

[Ferrarichamp]

Charles beats both Racing Point, nice.

[jgonzalesm6]

Good job Charles.

Perez outqualifies Stroll.....even though Stroll had updates on his car....Perez did not.

Perez to drop 1 grid position due to the Kimi incident yesterday.

[jgonzalesm6]

The joke is your made up allegations

+1

[MSC Fan]

Let's hope Charles gets the same kind of start that he did at Spa.

[Ferrarichamp]

Lucky Charles strikes again.

i have a feeling you like him :-D

[TonyRizza]

Looks like stroll will be astons #1 next year

[KimiBot]

I am almost happy about P5, Charles did much better than expected. Hopefully GREAT START tomorrow and podium finish.

[Vettel165]

I'm looking at q2 onboard cam and... AM i biased or vettel's car has absolutely no power on the highest gears?

Want to see the on board Charles vs Seb in q2 comparision. I am sure he will lost most of the time on the straights. I saw the on board and the car looked stable in corners. Hope the proof comes out. I am 100% sure of it why because there is not a single chance to lose that much time in a circuit that is all about full throttle and Quick corners. You will see. If i am wrong I will accept it.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Lucky Charles strikes again.

Delivered to Slovenia with love :-D

https://www.falksalt.se/sites/default/files/styles/full_x2/public/2019-03/falksalt-fin-m-jod.jpg?itok=-YvQSy7F

[TonyRizza]

I'm looking at q2 onboard cam and... AM i biased or vettel's car has absolutely no power on the highest gears?

Want to see the on board Charles vs Seb in q2 comparision. I am sure he will lost most of the time on the straights. I saw the on board and the car looked stable in corners. Hope the proof comes out.

Probably reduced power to stop him facing the wrong way

[Vettel165]

Probably reduced power to stop him facing the wrong way

Just waiting for le crash crash again tomorrow.

[jgonzalesm6]

Looks like stroll will be astons #1 next year

I doubt it.

Seb brings alot of tech. and experience to the team.

Stroll lacks in that dept.

[Warp]

@Vettel165

- Vettel slow in high speed tracks such as Tuscan and Silverstone. Nope.
- Vettel slow and uncomfortable with unstable rear end. Nope.
- Vettel unable to adapt to a car. Nope

-Ferrari sabotaging Vettel's car meanwhile both cars running the same spec. Yes!

PS: Perez's car was running without the latest upgrades from tracing point and still outqualified Stroll.. Haas or Alfa should really consider him.

[Rishu]

Just waiting for le crash crash again tomorrow.

True colors of a certain Ferrari fan

[elnano14]

Just waiting for le crash crash again tomorrow.

Wow mate, then why do you bother in here, a FERRARI forum, just switch to AM flair and forum, no need to say like that here :roll

[PURE PASSION]

I doubt it.

Seb brings alot of tech. and experience to the team.

Stroll lacks in that dept.

Yeh I will be very surprised if he managed to outperform Vet. But for sure daddy want let him be No2!!!!:-D

[MSC Fan]

Just waiting for le crash crash again tomorrow.

Don't wish ill on someone just because he beat a guy you like

[TTRSMAD]

What a great lap from Charles Leclerc, can you imagine what he would do with a car equal to the guys out front.

Hopefully Ferrari is going to give him the car he deserves next year.

[Vettel165]

Who cares...

Season is lost.

Hamilton wins again at the end. Never ending circle.

Of course I am angry if i am seeing how bad ferrari is treating seb. You can be eather blind or stupid in reality to not see this. They are sabotaging him to make Charles look good.

Well Charles is good but at least they should give both an equal chance to the end. So at least both can fight. This is all I am saying.

After qualy my emotions are running high this is why i said some bad things. Dont take it all serious. I could explode now but not because of Charles but ferrari as a team.

[elnano14]

I defended Vettel against people like Tifosi93 - a true anti-Seb, but @Vettel165 you're not different than him :roll

[TTRSMAD]

Leclerc is a faster driver than Vettel. He has been proving it since last year. Vettel needs a car with the back end glued to the track while Leclerc adapts better to what he has to work with.

[KimiBot]

What a great lap from Charles Leclerc, can you imagine what he would do with a car equal to the guys out front.

Hopefully Ferrari is going to give him the car he deserves next year.

maybe some kind of fight with Max, but others he would beat easily

[chinmay]

What a great lap from Charles Leclerc, can you imagine what he would do with a car equal to the guys out front.

Hopefully Ferrari is going to give him the car he deserves next year.

Next year's car won't be much better. They are now focusing on 2022 car.

[jgonzalesm6]

Who cares...

Season is lost.

Hamilton wins again at the end. Never ending circle.

Of course I am angry if i am seeing how bad ferrari is treating seb. You can be eather blind or stupid in reality to not see this. They are sabotaging him to make Charles look good.

Well Charles is good but at least they should give both an equal chance to the end. So at least both can fight. This is all I am saying.

After qualy my emotions are running high this is why i said some bad things. Dont take it all serious. I could explode now but not because of Charles but ferrari as a team.

Okay, maybe the handling of Seb being ousted by Ferrari was "unfair" coontract wise.

But this is all Seb's doing performance wise when compared to Leclerc the past 2 years. Leclerc is the better driver....by a long shot and can handle a crappy car to its upmost postential.

[Noquarter]

Who cares...

Season is lost.

Hamilton wins again at the end. Never ending circle.

Of course I am angry if i am seeing how bad ferrari is treating seb. You can be eather blind or stupid in reality to not see this. They are sabotaging him to make Charles look good.

Well Charles is good but at least they should give both an equal chance to the end. So at least both can fight. This is all I am saying.

After qualy my emotions are running high this is why i said some bad things. Dont take it all serious. I could explode now but not because of Charles but ferrari as a team.

Vettel is simply weak and burnt out. A year ago he was number one driver and could not match the pace of Leclerc. All these conspiracy theories are ridiculous. The Ferrari lost two titles in 2017 and 2018 not because it had a weaker car but because the Vettlel is too weak vs Hamilton.

[Schumiklub]

You can see they are using Seb car as a mule car for next year. So they are testing thing on his car if
things felt apart engine or chassis is not good they just dont do similar than to Charles. A big big joke. Seb probably dont get a single Update in this car. Ferrari will get a curse karma for this. You will not win the wdc for 10 years from now on. The way the are handling a 4 time world champion is a big joke.

I think it’s time for you to leave and look for an Aston Martin forum. They would never let Seb test parts for next season, as he’s leaving. He’s not going to be involved in any development for next season.


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[PURE PASSION]

Who cares...

Season is lost.

Hamilton wins again at the end. Never ending circle.

Of course I am angry if i am seeing how bad ferrari is treating seb. You can be eather blind or stupid in reality to not see this. They are sabotaging him to make Charles look good.

Well Charles is good but at least they should give both an equal chance to the end. So at least both can fight. This is all I am saying.

After qualy my emotions are running high this is why i said some bad things. Dont take it all serious. I could explode now but not because of Charles but ferrari as a team.

You realize that in the team he is heading, his teammate is the son of the owner??????
It will be fun to be in a Aston Martin forum next year, to see comments like yours and others Vet fans !!!!!!!!!!

[Warp]

You realize that in the team he is heading, his teammate is the son of the owner??????
It will be fun to be in a Aston Martin forum next year, to see comments like yours and others Vet fans !!!!!!!!!!

Stroll is the only RP car that got updates this race..

[TTRSMAD]

Next year's car won't be much better. They are now focusing on 2022 car.

I doubt Ferrari are giving up next year. This would be unacceptable for anybody associated with Ferrari and the fan base.

[jgonzalesm6]

I doubt Ferrari are giving up next year. This would be unacceptable for anybody associated with Ferrari and the fan base.

Ferrari will try and race next year....but they won't win the season next year.

[Kyss4k]

Lucky Charles strikes again.

You are really annoying. The car is crap, but there is no sense in Ferrari making Seb's car worse to lose points in WCC. You are delusional and a fanboy troll.

[Alonsomaniac]

Just waiting for le crash crash again tomorrow.

I don't really understand you. You know, it's the fate of every champion: one day some young guy arrives and he will beat him. It happens to every champion (except Rosberg...). That's sports, that's life. It happened to Schumacher, it happened to Alonso and now it happens to Vettel. An done day it will be Hamilton.
And if Charles wins one or more championships and he gets older, it will happen to him too.

[TTRSMAD]

Ferrari will try and race next year....but they won't win the season next year.

Maybe they won t be the fastest but they need to give their drivers a car able to compete with Mercedes and Red Bull.

If they do so they have a chance. The seasons are long and anything can happen.

[chinmay]

I doubt Ferrari are giving up next year. This would be unacceptable for anybody associated with Ferrari and the fan base.

Well the CEO did write off the 2021 season. It is unacceptable for a team like Ferrari to be racing in midfield but you must sacrifice short term for long term goals. It's not like the car will miraculously improve next year and the drivers will be able to win. It makes sense to put most of your resources towards the 2022 car when the new rules are introduced.

[chinmay]

Maybe they won t be the fastest but they need to give their drivers a car able to compete with Mercedes and Red Bull.

If they do so they have a chance. The seasons are long and anything can happen.

That's a Vettel line - "the race is long, anything can happen". But nothing happens in the end. To fight the top 2, car must be fast from race 1 and not from race 7 or 9.

[jgonzalesm6]

Maybe they won t be the fastest but they need to give their drivers a car able to compete with Mercedes and Red Bull.

If they do so they have a chance. The seasons are long and anything can happen.

You're forgetting Mclaren with a Mercedes PU.

I'm not hold my breath for next year. IMO, it will be a rinse and repeat of this year.

[TTRSMAD]

Next year car is going to be faster than this year. It s all i need to believe in.

You guys are pessimistic but i'm not.

[KimiBot]

I don't really understand you. You know, it's the fate of every champion: one day some young guy arrives and he will beat him. It happens to every champion (except Rosberg...). That's sports, that's life. It happened to Schumacher, it happened to Alonso and now it happens to Vettel. An done day it will be Hamilton.
And if Charles wins one or more championships and he gets older, it will happen to him too.

Wise words.

[nani_s23]

It seems I missed a lot. Had a good nap.

Charles P5??? ... he’s next level of driver. Reminding me of Schumi/Alonso.
Vettel P14? .... this shows he can’t adapt to a car which is weak.

So as earlier @kimibot said, this track shows difference between drivers.

With a good engine next year & good aero package. Leclerc will sure trouble RB-Max.

[chinmay]

Vettel on radio after Q1


Vettel: "Did we go through or not?"
Adami: "Yes."
Vettel: "Oh."

[F2008]

Qualifying battles after 9 rounds:

Hamilton 7-2 Bottas
Vettel 2-7 Leclerc
Verstappen 9-0 Albon
Sainz 5-4 Norris
Ricciardo 8-1 Ocon
Gasly 7-2 Kvyat
Perez 5-2 Stroll
Raikkonen 5-4 Giovinazzi
Grosjean 4-5 Magnussen
Russell 9-0 Latifi
Stroll 1-1 Hulkenberg

[jgonzalesm6]

I don't really understand you. You know, it's the fate of every champion: one day some young guy arrives and he will beat him. It happens to every champion (except Rosberg...). That's sports, that's life. It happened to Schumacher, it happened to Alonso and now it happens to Vettel. An done day it will be Hamilton.
And if Charles wins one or more championships and he gets older, it will happen to him too.

The Rise and Fall of champions. F1 is ever changing in formula's.

Maybe, just maybe, Hamilton quits on a high note with the Merc. domination. I honestly don't see him "building up" a team in F1 and added pressure.

[alfa84]

Vettel and his fans are becoming really annoying. Thay say anything to justify their failure. These four years have shown just that!!��
Vettel dont deserve the Ferrari seat anymore. He under delivered.
And all this victimization and gossip is all childish Vettel��
So dont you dare slander against Ferrari any more!!1����

[Ferrarichamp]

in this respect, Lauda was a legend. Winning again after a 7 year gap.

[MSC Fan]

Vettel and his fans are becoming really annoying. Thay say anything to justify their failure. These four years have shown just that!!��
Vettel dont deserve the Ferrari seat anymore. He under delivered.
And all this victimization and gossip is all childish Vettel��
So dont you dare slander against Ferrari any more!!1����

He is actually a great driver. Perhaps not as good as Charles but still great. He has done the best he could in all his years. But with that being said, his fans are just salty. They were pretty smug and uppity against Webber but when their idol is meeting the same fate, they cry out loud. I'm pretty sure that I have read that even Seb admits that Charles is the best he has driven against. But it is always his annoying fans that ruin his character perception.

[Vettel165]

I don't really understand you. You know, it's the fate of every champion: one day some young guy arrives and he will beat him. It happens to every champion (except Rosberg...). That's sports, that's life. It happened to Schumacher, it happened to Alonso and now it happens to Vettel. An done day it will be Hamilton.
And if Charles wins one or more championships and he gets older, it will happen to him too.

Dont believe that with Hamiltons luck he wont be never beaten by a team mate again. An overrated driver with a always dominant car. Verstappen would drive circles with him.

Shamilton is the luckiest driver alive. If Bottas is soo close to him in qualy imagine what max and maybe Charles would do in the same car. I see Charles as the qualy King also and usually his race pace is a little bit lacking.

You might not like me but my posts are direct and open what I am thinking in the moment. No Bulls..t.

[Liscia]

So very tired of watching Vettel's pathetic an debasing efforts (is he even trying?) in an admittedly weak car that Charles Leclerc can extract so much more from. Please Ferrari sideline him for the rest of the season somehow.

[nani_s23]

According to Movistar, Christian Horner himself contacted Checo last week to ask about his current situation (re: not having a seat) as they are in search for a driver because promoting Pierre to RB again isn't an option

[Silent Bob]

why would he work hard, they fired him, of course he has no motivation, stupid move by Binotto, should have waited to the end of the year


Except driver's contracts are almost never left to the end of the year. They are always negotiated during the year and usually we find out after the break where driver's are going. I see nothing wrong with the way Ferrari handled Vettle. they were straight with him, told him that they were going after another driver and gave him lots of time to look for another drive. if they did it at the end of the season, he would have probably not had a drive next year.

[nani_s23]

Horner also mentioned Nico Hülkenberg during his Sky Germany interview (when asked about potential available drivers) but tbh Checo and his sponsors could bring some money in, which of course you can argue that RB doesn't need but they still lose Aston Martin next year so.

[nani_s23]

Except driver's contracts are almost never left to the end of the year. They are always negotiated during the year and usually we find out after the break where driver's are going. I see nothing wrong with the way Ferrari handled Vettle. they were straight with him, told him that they were going after another driver and gave him lots of time to look for another drive. if they did it at the end of the season, he would have probably not had a drive next year.

It might be good with other normal drivers. But to a 4 time WDC, there’s other way to handle it.

[Silent Bob]

So very tired of watching Vettel's pathetic an debasing efforts (is he even trying?) in an admittedly weak car that Charles Leclerc can extract so much more from. Please Ferrari sideline him for the rest of the season somehow.


I agree. I'm starting to feel almost embarassed for him. Maybe before he ruins his reputation too much, he should step aside and Ferrari should bring in one of our reserves.

[Silent Bob]

It might be good with other normal drivers. But to a 4 time WDC, there’s other way to handle it.

Like how? Waiting to the last race to say..." oh by the way, you're not driving for us anymore. good luck next year."

[nani_s23]

Like how? Waiting to the last race to say..." oh by the way, you're not driving for us anymore. good luck next year."

:-D that would be better. Becoz results are important for the team irrespective of the driver.

[Cavallino]

I'm writing off next season too, just because we need to concentrate on 2022 because if you start on the back foot in a new formula, as you can see, it's so hard to catch up. That being said, it will be better than this year. It's worth developing the engine and that should be able to bring us up to consistently challenging the Tracing Point if not Red Fools.

If we could get some engine directives that hurt the others, that would REALLY make things interesting next year.

[MSC Fan]

I agree. I'm starting to feel almost embarassed for him. Maybe before he ruins his reputation too much, he should step aside and Ferrari should bring in one of our reserves.

Who could we bring? Giovinazzi? Wehrlein? I am willing to bet my money that both of them would do worse than him and would get destroyed even worse by Leclerc.

[Liscia]

Who could we bring? Giovinazzi? Wehrlein? I am willing to bet my money that both of them would do worse than him and would get destroyed even worse by Leclerc.

They or others would be new to the car and it wouldn't be as embarrassing as it is watching Vettel throw everything away. Frankly I'm not expecting him to improve much next year either though he'll have the (another) excuse of saying he's new to the Aston-Mercedes half-breed team.

[wisepie]

P5 for Charles was a great effort, but I don't think he'll have the power to defend from those behind him. As for Seb, P14 is embarrassing and he seems incapable of getting the best out the car whereas Charles manages to extract what little performance and balance there is. Mugello have done a great job to get the circuit ready. Just hoping for a clean start/race and some points would be a big boost for us all.:pray

[chinmay]

P5 for Charles was a great effort, but I don't think he'll have the power to defend from those behind him. As for Seb, P14 is embarrassing and he seems incapable of getting the best out the car whereas Charles manages to extract what little performance and balance there is. Mugello have done a great job to get the circuit ready. Just hoping for a clean start/race and some points would be a big boost for us all.:pray

No one knows why he is so slow, even Kimi in his Alfa Romeo is faster than him.

[Vettel165]

No one knows why he is so slow, even Kimi in his Alfa Romeo is faster than him.

Its the car not the driver. You see Seb has no motivation to even fight for whatever. The way they destroyed his confidence is mindblowing.

The same will be the case for Charles if he dont deliver the title in 4 years. Mark my words and then the new guy will come. With this thinking ferrari wont win anything in a least 3 or more years. Maybe a odd win or two I am calling it now. With Seb they lost an amazing driver with a lot of experience.

Seb in 2015-2018 was like a new guy, very fast gave Mercedes the run for money. And now ferrari is nowhere.

If i was there I wouldnt even drive anymore.

Thank god the suffering is nearly over.

[PURE PASSION]

Its the car not the driver. You see Seb has no motivation to even fight for whatever. The way they destroyed his confidence is mindblowing.

The same will be the case for Charles if he dont Deliver the title in 4 years. Mark my words and then the new guy will come. With this thinking ferrari wont anything in a least 3 or more years. Maybe a odd win or two I am calling it now. With Seb they lost an amazing driver with a lot of experience.

Seb in 2015-2018 was like a new guy, very fast give Mercedes the run for money. And now ferrari is nowhere.

If i was there I wouldnt even drive anymore.

Thank god the suffering is nearly over.
We say the same about you !!!

[tifosi1993]

I defended Vettel against people like Tifosi93 - a true anti-Seb, but @Vettel165 you're not different than him :roll

There are plenty of reasons of me being "anti-Seb". He has already pulled a sleazy stunt with his contract announcement with TP on Ferrari's 1000 GP weekend. And his performance today is another big reason of why Ferrari decided to get rid of him.

But, I have never ever insulted or made derogatory comments about another person because of their skin color, unlike Vettel165. Vettel165 is a racist who deserved to get a permanent ban after his comment about Hamilton. But he only got a suspension.

You'd do better to remember that next time, before lumping me with a racist like Vettel165.

[Alonsomaniac]

Dont believe that with Hamiltons luck he wont be never beaten by a team mate again. An overrated driver with a always dominant car. Verstappen would drive circles with him.

Shamilton is the luckiest driver alive. If Bottas is soo close to him in qualy imagine what max and maybe Charles would do in the same car. I see Charles as the qualy King also and usually his race pace is a little bit lacking.

You might not like me but my posts are direct and open what I am thinking in the moment. No Bulls..t.

You know, I am a Ferrarifan. Hamilton is Mercedesdriver. But I will never underestimate him, nor will Ferrari do that. Like him or not, he is a terrific racingdriver and not just a lucky guy. He is one of the very best, and he always delivers.
Verstappen would not drive circles around him and neither would Charles. Could they beat him? Maybe, time will tell.
But one thing is certain: Sebastian Vettel could not beat him, even when he had the car to do it.
So I suggest you be careful before you call a driver overrated again, because where would that put your beloved Vettel?

[tifosi1993]

On topic, today's qualifying again showed that Ferrari has made a big step forward in aero performance. With last years engine, and with a driver like Charles, this car would've fought for the WDC this year.

Mercedes: Bottas 26.881 in the sector 1, Hamilton 20.649 in the sector 2, Bottas 27.584 in the sector 3.

Red Bull: Max 27.037 in the sector 1, 20.843 in the sector 2 and 27.562 in the sector 3.

Ferrari: Charles 27.343 in the sector 1, 20.931 in the sector 2 and 27.858 in the sector 3.

So overall Ferrari's worst sector is the sector 1 where Charles lost nearly 5 tenths to Hamilton and more than 3 tenths to Max.

[Tony]

You can see they are using Seb car as a mule car for next year. So they are testing thing on his car if
things felt apart engine or chassis is not good they just dont do similar than to Charles. A big big joke. Seb probably dont get a single Update in this car. Ferrari will get a curse karma for this. You will not win the wdc for 10 years from now on. The way the are handling a 4 time world champion is a big joke.

Why do you still post here?

[Alonsomaniac]

Why do you still post here?

One word: frustration.

[paolo lalli]

Seb is just embarrassing himself beyond ridiculous. It is seb that is embarrising and not ferrari.He does not even seriously try.charles is miles ahead and next year will also be hard yards for seb he is done and dusted.

[paolo lalli]

what are you Tony some sort of male witch.What a load of crap curse my ass.

[tifosi1993]

I'm writing off next season too, just because we need to concentrate on 2022 because if you start on the back foot in a new formula, as you can see, it's so hard to catch up. That being said, it will be better than this year. It's worth developing the engine and that should be able to bring us up to consistently challenging the Tracing Point if not Red Fools.

If we could get some engine directives that hurt the others, that would REALLY make things interesting next year.

Next year will be complete 180 degree if the engine turns out to be great again. Ferrari has already made a big step forward with the aero this year. And now we need another big step next year.

[tifosi1993]

what are you Tony some sort of male witch.What a load of crap curse my ass.

Why would you curse your donkey? :-)

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari are improving week by week it will take time but its happening.Ferrari are using seb as a test mule the difference is he does not even know it. Ferrari are under no obligation of telling him anything unless it is of a safey concern.The highest paid test driver in history.

[Liscia]

Ciao Paolo! If they are using Seb/his car for testing then nothing they've used seems successful so far? (With all due respects fellow tifoso:)

[Vettel165]

There are plenty of reasons of me being "anti-Seb". He has already pulled a sleazy stunt with his contract announcement with TP on Ferrari's 1000 GP weekend. And his performance today is another big reason of why Ferrari decided to get rid of him.

But, I have never ever insulted or made derogatory comments about another person because of their skin color, unlike Vettel165. Vettel165 is a racist who deserved to get a permanent ban after his comment about Hamilton. But he only got a suspension.

You'd do better to remember that next time, before lumping me with a racist like Vettel165.

Ob dear oh dear. Your posts are really silly.
Wont even react more in a detail. Its not worth it to argue over the internet. But maybe just one more thing to add about this.

I will stay here for at least some months. The moment when Seb will leave the team I will be gone.

Like Seb said everyone is a Ferrari fan if i quote him. Also I liked Ferrari much much better under Schumacher era and when Kimi and Massa were there. The team was more sympatic to like them.

I was also a Mclaren and Hakinnen fan in early 20s but respected both of drivers Michael and Hakinnen. They way they respected and treated each other was awesome. You should learn from them with this, so you can respect other people s opinion in the future.

[ntukza]

Oh no, next year's car has to be better. I don't mind if it's not the best due to the 2022 focus but it has to be up there. It has to win a few races. It's important for Ferrari, surely.

[Alonsomaniac]

@ Vettel165:
Maybe you have mistaken one thing being a Vettel fan: Ferrari is not about drivers, Ferrari is about Ferrari. And so is this forum. Ferrari is always more important than any driver. It's about the team, the passion, the hunger. And Ferrari is above all. No driver will ever be above the team. We respect them because they share our passion and give their all for the team. But the moment they can't deliver anymore, they have to go. They are there for the team, for the name Ferrari and for the win. They know that the moment they walk in. It's just the way it is.
And now you dislike Ferrari for firing your favorite driver. The team doesn't do that because they don't like the man Vettel, they have to do it because he does not bring Ferrari what he is hired for.
That's just the way it is.
It's Ferrari. Above anything or anyone else.

[ntukza]

I've seen a few posts here suggesting that Ferrari have taken a significant step forward with the aero this year and that they are gradually improving week by week. I hope that's true because that's good news. I wish next season was starting tomorrow already. I can't wait!

[PURE PASSION]

I've seen a few posts here suggesting that Ferrari have taken a significant step forward with the aero this year and that they are gradually improving week by week. I hope that's true because that's good news. I wish next season was starting tomorrow already. I can't wait!

It looks a pretty good car aero wise. We cant use it to its optimal set up ,bacause that will lead us being tragicaly slow in the straights ,so it will be useless. So we end up unloading the wings as much as we can to have a desent speed and thet causing us balance problems!!All this is the results of last years engine saga.
The other thing is that we still have some troubles in the slow sections of the tracks .We are not quite there on the machanical grip / chassis !!!!

[Vettel165]

@ Vettel165:
Maybe you have mistaken one thing being a Vettel fan: Ferrari is not about drivers, Ferrari is about Ferrari. And so is this forum. Ferrari is always more important than any driver. It's about the team, the passion, the hunger. And Ferrari is above all. No driver will ever be above the team. We respect them because they share our passion and give their all for the team. But the moment they can't deliver anymore, they have to go. They are there for the team, for the name Ferrari and for the win. They know that the moment they walk in. It's just the way it is.
And now you dislike Ferrari for firing your favorite driver. The team doesn't do that because they don't like the man Vettel, they have to do it because he does not bring Ferrari what he is hired for.
That's just the way it is.
It's Ferrari. Above anything or anyone else.

Good point. No more to add here. Have to agree its the ferrari thing. But hard to swallow,but will still try to move on hoping for a better future.

[PURE PASSION]

Good point. No more to add here. Have to agree its the ferrari thing. But hard to swallow,but will still try to move on hoping for a better future.

Man there is nothing wrong about supporting whoever you want. You are a Vet fan , fair enough!! The problem is that you are in a TEAM fan forum and you are trashing the team for every bad performance / mystake of Seb. THIS is unexceptable!!! Just think for a minute if it was the other way around. If you where in a Vet fan club and a ferreri fan showed up and start blaming the driver for all the results!!!!??!!! Would you and all the other Vet fans accept it ?????

[paolo lalli]

The current chassis is for a more powerful engine.Which will be next years.For know it is what it is besides I will enjoy watching the rebirth of ferrari its all part of the journey.

[chinmay]

The current chassis is for a more powerful engine.Which will be next years.For know it is what it is besides I will enjoy watching the rebirth of ferrari its all part of the journey.

Alfa Romeo is also built for a more powerful engine. And if there was a powerful engine this year then they would still be ahead of Ferrari. The truth is the current chassis is the worst chassis of this century.

[Infi24r]

Alfa Romeo is also built for a more powerful engine. And if there was a powerful engine this year then they would still be ahead of Ferrari. The truth is the current chassis is the worst chassis of this century.

Alfa are not ahead of Ferrari. They're just ahead of Vettel, who was over half a second off his team mate.

[BAT340]

The current chassis is for a more powerful engine.Which will be next years.For know it is what it is besides I will enjoy watching the rebirth of ferrari its all part of the journey.

Ha! Maybe in ten years....

[alfa84]

Lets give some faith to Binotto. He was chosen te pull Ferrari out of this dust. He is a great engineer that works for the team he loves. And dot tell me that Marlboro man can do best even if he dont understand what he is doing.
This is what real Ferrari fans can do now.

[nani_s23]

A late update from Michael Masi to the F1 teams: “The Drivers are reminded that the Safety Car has changed colour and is red at this event”... Better safe than sorry!

:rotfl

[Redfive]

I think Charles did brilliantly to get 5th, however I fear he'll drop down. also fully expecting a dullfest today with Bottas simpering and guarding his master.
it says a lot about the state of F1 when F2 is 100x more exciting right now.

F1 2022 can't come soon enough for me, but it seems like such a long long way away right now.

[330 p4]

Alfa Romeo is also built for a more powerful engine. And if there was a powerful engine this year then they would still be ahead of Ferrari. The truth is the current chassis is the worst chassis of this century.

Strongly disagree. At the start of the season Ferrari was well ahead of Alfa, reason its closed up is Ferrari cannot add to the chassis as the engine is an anchor, cannot add any downforce they have had to take downforce off. Over the races Alfa have been able to bring parts to catch up but the engine is a glass ceiling. They are both now at the optimum of what can bring to the chassis due to the engine.

[Ferrarichamp]

I'm hoping Charles gets a great start and passes Albon.