Turkish Grand Prix 2020 - Practices and Qualifying

[jgonzalesm6]

Over 1 hour and 10min. at time of post.

Rani likely on Saturday and possibly Sunday

[KimiBot]

Early start, did not know that, glad i came here to see what is going on.

[wisepie]

Over 1 hour and 10min. at time of post.

Rani likely on Saturday and possibly Sunday

Track looks incredibly green and slippery, harder tyres for this race will take even longer to heat up, and another new track for most of them, it'll be a lottery for sure! Forza ragazzi.

[KimiBot]

Is track slippery because it is wet or new tarmac

[springfield]

Both, also the hard tyre is way too hard for these conditions. They can't get the temperature into them.

[KimiBot]

Thanks, I thought that must be new tarmac because so smooth ride

[jgonzalesm6]

Is track slippery because it is wet or new tarmac

They watered down the track early in the morning. Also, the track has been re-paved a couple of months ago. Add the hard tire plus getting temp in the tire....yeah, like driving on ice.

[KimiBot]

Yeah, very careful driving this session, hopefully better FP2

[KimiBot]

and thanks for that watering track info too, because...sun is shining, but track looks wet here and there,...so mystery explained :-)

[stefa]

Why was track watered?!?!

[Brembo]

Just further proof that 3 practices are so important, if anything for safety reasons with knowing the track. Charles is right calling for 3 practices.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why was track watered?!?!

I have no iidea.

[tifosi1993]

FP1 is done. Rather futile practice session. The organizers thought it was a good idea to wash the track before the practice session, and with 22C temperature it's pretty much remain damp throughout the FP1.

[Ferrarichamp]

Why was track watered?!?!

to wash away the greece.

[stefa]

to wash away the greece.

Thank you :thumb

[tifosi1993]

Verstappen: --- 35.446 --- 33.390 --- 26.241 --- 1:35.077 --- 296

Albon: --- 35.294 --- 33.684 --- 25.992 --- 1:35.318 --- 317

Leclerc: --- 35.339 --- 33.779 --- 26.125 --- 1:35.507 --- 312

Gasly: --- 35.442 --- 33.645 --- 26.008 --- 1:35.543 --- 305

Vettel --- 35.888 --- 33.790 --- 25.880 --- 1:35.620 --- 309

Kvyat: --- 35.740 --- 33.857 --- 26.245 --- 1:36.738 --- 304

Norris: --- 36.504 --- 34.079 --- 26.532 --- 1:37.216 --- 292

Giovinazzi: --- 36.558 --- 34.859 --- 26.086 --- 1:37.503 --- 314

Bottas: --- 36.527 --- 34.388 --- 26.403 --- 1:37.629 --- 311

Ocon: --- 36.846 --- 34.902 --- 26.541 --- 1:38.428 --- 292

Latifi: --- 36.770 --- 35.131 --- 26.514 --- 1:38.508 --- 307

Perez: --- 36.858 --- 35.338 --- 26.361 --- 1:38.612 --- 310

Stroll: --- 36.717 --- 35.549 --- 26.514 --- 1:39.484 --- 301

Grosjean: --- 37.007 --- 35.269 --- 26.918 --- 1:40.025 --- 301

Hamilton: --- 37.455 --- 35.620 --- 26.540 --- 1:40.225 --- 309

Raikkonen: --- 37.924 --- 36.135 --- 26.855 --- 1:41.035 --- 288

Magnussen: --- 37.861 --- 35.756 --- 27.426 --- 1:41.854 --- 295

Ricciardo: --- 39.481 --- 37.733 --- 27.796 --- 1:45.156 --- 285

Sainz: --- 40.639 --- 37.870 --- 27.953 --- 1:46.462 --- 285

Russell: --- 40.680 --- 40.267 --- 28.309 --- 1:49.256 --- 260

[jgonzalesm6]

@Rob

Could you please explain to me why the title of this thread got changed. Originally it was "Formula 1 DHL Turkish Grand Prix 2020 - Practices and Qualifying" to "Turkish Grand Prix 2020 - Practices and Qualifyng:???

The previous thread before this race has the sponsor included and that did'nt get changed--->Formula 1 Heineken Grande Prémio De Portugal 2020

[Brembo]

to wash away the greece.

And Seb's traction !!:rotfl

[Ferrarichamp]

any reason why Mercs are off the pace today?

[nani_s23]

any reason why Mercs are off the pace today?

Every car is not at their full potential + low grip. It’s just understanding the tyres- Phase. FP3 might give some idea.

[ferrari1.8t]

any reason why Mercs are off the pace today?

Hamilton needs to make a show out of his easy 7th WDC. He will give everyone the stories of how bad the track is, how poor the grip is and how he had to struggle all weekend. Then he will pull FL after FL and cruise to victory, all while crying over the radio.

[Ferrarichamp]

Hamilton needs to make a show out of his easy 7th WDC. He will give everyone the stories of how bad the track is, how poor the grip is and how he had to struggle all weekend. Then he will pull FL after FL and cruise to victory, all while crying over the radio.

I hadn't thought of that :lol

[tifosi1993]

Charles's long run pace is very strong.

[tifosi1993]

Very strong long run pace from Ferrari.

[tifosi1993]

Verstappen: --- 32.743 --- 31.116 --- 24.471 --- 1:28.330 --- 325

Leclerc: --- 32.776 --- 31.244 --- 24.668 --- 1:28.731 --- 321

Bottas: --- 33.030 --- 31.323 --- 24.552 --- 1:28.905 --- 322

Hamilton: --- 32.976 --- 31.416 --- 24.548 --- 1:29.180 --- 329

Albon: --- 33.117 --- 31.379 --- 24.867 --- 1:29.363 --- 324

Kvyat: --- 33.232 --- 31.568 --- 24.889 --- 1:29.689 --- 322

Gasly: --- 33.378 --- 31.579 --- 24.987 --- 1:29.944 --- 317

Vettel: --- 33.238 --- 31.616 --- 25.002 --- 1:30.022 --- 320

Stoll: --- 33.382 --- 31.903 --- 25.012 --- 1:30.297 --- 328

Norris: --- 33.408 --- 31.538 --- 24.865 --- 1:30.907 --- 321

Perez: --- 33.822 --- 32.092 --- 25.190 --- 1:31.104 --- 323

Ocon: --- 33.700 --- 32.214 --- 25.225 --- 1:31.380 --- 316

Giovinazzi: --- 34.039 --- 32.420 --- 25.034 --- 1:31.493 --- 316

Sainz: --- 33.938 --- 32.003 --- 25.257 --- 1:31.498 --- 317

Ricciardo: --- 34.126 --- 32.390 --- 25.036 --- 1:31.660 --- 315

Raikkonen: --- 34.119 --- 32.076 --- 25.242 --- 1:31.932 --- 316

Russell: --- 32.247 --- 32.393 --- 25.662 --- 1:32.302 --- 316

Grosjean: --- 34.297 --- 32.513 --- 25.365 --- 1:32.570 --- 317

Magnussen: --- 34.333 --- 32.757 --- 25.615 --- 1:32.807 --- 313

Latifi: --- 34.919 --- 32.839 --- 25.570 --- 1:33.488 --- 319

[PURE PASSION]

Do we have the race pace ??

[stefa]

Hamilton needs to make a show out of his easy 7th WDC. He will give everyone the stories of how bad the track is, how poor the grip is and how he had to struggle all weekend. Then he will pull FL after FL and cruise to victory, all while crying over the radio.

Absolutely

[Tifoso Svedese]

Wouldn't surprise me if Charles drove away from P5 in this race given the track conditions make the cars spend more times in the corners than expected.

[MSC Fan]

We're a second a lap slower than Mercedes but 0.3 seconds a lap faster than Racing Point and about 0.5 seconds faster than McLaren.

[FerrariF60]

We're a second a lap slower than Mercedes but 0.3 seconds a lap faster than Racing Point and about 0.5 seconds faster than McLaren.

on race pace????

[MSC Fan]

on race pace????

Yes. From some ~20 laps they ran while testing race pace, that is an average I could find.

[FerrariF60]

Yes. From some ~20 laps they ran while testing race pace, that is an average I could find.

well essentially is pretty much the same car as couple of weeks ago me thinks...coupled that with new asphalt and low grip, what is everyone else expecting miracles from OUR team???????? it's more or less where we've been for the past few reaces....at least we're better then where we were at the beginning of this year

[PURE PASSION]

Yes. From some ~20 laps they ran while testing race pace, that is an average I could find.

Well I just read in it.motosport that we where the 2nd force o bit behind Ves in qualy mode BUT also in race pace. And that on the last part emptier on fuel and with mediums,Lec was the fastest !!!! On my tv live broadcast they also said the same thing ,that according to their live timing, Lec was on the same pace as Ves and faster then the Mercs!!!!

[FerrariF60]

Well I just read in it.motosport that we where the 2nd force o bit behind Ves in qualy mode BUT also in race pace. And that on the last part emptier on fuel and with mediums,Lec was the fastest !!!! On my tv live broadcast they also said the same thing ,that according to their live timing, Lec was on the same pace as Ves and faster then the Mercs!!!!

dont' get your hopes up, Mercedes prolly turned their engines down for practice....

[PURE PASSION]

dont' get your hopes up, Mercedes prolly turned their engines down for practice....

It's not that. Thay don't turn their engines down just for this race. Its probably because they might run with lesser wing because they calculate that this is how they will run on the race. Everybody estimates that when the track will evolve ,they will set up the cars with less wing.Us and RedBull run more charged today. I think this is the explanation for today's results and tomorrow from FP3 we will see the usual order. At least we could end up 3d force!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Hamilton already starting the Hamilton show.

Friday grip conditions were 'terrifying' in Turkey - Lewis Hamilton

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/30309726/friday-grip-conditions-were-terrifying-turkey-lewis-hamilton

Meanwhile, Charles posted on his insta that the “poor grip made the track better in his opinion”.

In my opinion, poor grip levels out the playing field a bit - the true drivers will shine. That is what you had Verstappen and Charles P1-P2. Hamilton should stop with his acting and stories, f1 is tired of it.

[wisepie]

Charles seemed to enjoy the slippery track once he was dialled in, the track was washed this morning and recently resurfaced, the temps are low and also the possibility of some rain over the weekend.....so it's all to play for, and even Seb was in the top10 today. Good to see our cars near the top end even though it's only FP sessions, tomorrow and Sunday will be very interesting.:pray

[MSC Fan]

well essentially is pretty much the same car as couple of weeks ago me thinks...coupled that with new asphalt and low grip, what is everyone else expecting miracles from OUR team???????? it's more or less where we've been for the past few reaces....at least we're better then where we were at the beginning of this year

Under Binotto, the upgrades have always been promising. Look at those upgrades from Singapore 2019, for example. McLaren have no choice but to essentially bring in next year's cars in this year itself since they have to use up tokens for the Mercedes engine. Racing Point just copied Mercedes design without understanding how they work and as a result they have a very varied pace. It is just a case of us staying where we are (after the upgrades) and everyone else going backwards.

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton already starting the Hamilton show.

Friday grip conditions were 'terrifying' in Turkey - Lewis Hamilton

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/30309726/friday-grip-conditions-were-terrifying-turkey-lewis-hamilton

Meanwhile, Charles posted on his insta that the “poor grip made the track better in his opinion”.

In my opinion, poor grip levels out the playing field a bit - the true drivers will shine. That is what you had Verstappen and Charles P1-P2. Hamilton should stop with his acting and stories, f1 is tired of it.


Everyone, except Leclerc. has complained about the track being too slippery......resurfacing, temps, watering the track.

Tack organisers are running public transportation on the track to get it rubbered in.

[FerrariF60]

Everyone, except Leclerc. has complained about the track being too slippery......resurfacing, temps, watering the track.

Tack organisers are running public transportation on the track to get it rubbered in.

well pirelli know they &^^%$%$# UP by bringing harder compound tires and now Shamilton whines and cries me a river that there is no grip out there....so what do the do now???? they run public transportation so the track will somewhat get rubbered in a bit so that Shmilton cry baby will get POLE, WIN AND HIS 7th WDC....bunch of $%%$#$% hypocrites the FIA and Merc are

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc vs Verstappen (long run + including track limit penalty times)

Leclerc: 9 laps on softs, average 1:33.586 (Best lap 1:32.620)

Verstappen: 9 laps on softs, average 1:33.311 (Best lap 1:31.988 with DRS)

Leclerc: 4 laps on mediums, average 1:33.701 (Best lap 1:31.272)

Verstappen: 3 laps on mediums, average 1:33.134 (Best lap 1:31.676)

[tifosi1993]

We're a second a lap slower than Mercedes but 0.3 seconds a lap faster than Racing Point and about 0.5 seconds faster than McLaren.

Bottas on softs, excluding slow cool down laps, 6 laps with an average lap time of 1:32.828 (Best lap 1:32.218)
Bottas on mediums, 3 laps with an average 1:35.455 (Best lap 1:33.239)

Hamilton 5 laps on softs with an average 1:32.755 (Best lap 1:31.807)
On mediums, excluding one cool down lap, 3 laps with an average 1:33.117 (Best lap 1:32.142)

[FerrariF60]

So we are gonna challenge for a WIN on Sunday??

[jgonzalesm6]

So we are gonna challenge for a WIN on Sunday??

Weather permitting...I doubt it.

Lewis wins the WDC title at this race.....expect it.

[Silent Bob]

So we are gonna challenge for a WIN on Sunday??

Hopefully they decide the track is too dirty Sunday morning and decide to rewash it. Leclerc seems to like it, Hammy hates it.

[KimiBot]

Charles seemed to enjoy the slippery track once he was dialled in, the track was washed this morning and recently resurfaced, the temps are low and also the possibility of some rain over the weekend.....so it's all to play for, and even Seb was in the top10 today. Good to see our cars near the top end even though it's only FP sessions, tomorrow and Sunday will be very interesting.:pray

I did enjoy when Ferrari was P1, just for a few minutes, but that gave me some good memories. :-)

[Tifoso]

Let’s win

[MSC Fan]

Charles seemed to enjoy the slippery track once he was dialled in, the track was washed this morning and recently resurfaced, the temps are low and also the possibility of some rain over the weekend.....so it's all to play for, and even Seb was in the top10 today. Good to see our cars near the top end even though it's only FP sessions, tomorrow and Sunday will be very interesting.:pray

Vettel talked about Leclerc having an unique sense of grip than the conventional drivers which allowed him to keep the car under control in the Silverstone races where we ran with barely any downforce. Albon said the same thing in his Beyond the Grid. Maybe that is playing a factor here.

[ntukza]

Everyone, except Leclerc. has complained about the track being too slippery......resurfacing, temps, watering the track.

Tack organisers are running public transportation on the track to get it rubbered in.

They should have done this ages ago to be honest, and Pirelli should have done their homework and brought better tyres. I'm not sure why nobody checked all this to make sure that the track is ready for the race weekend.

[ntukza]

Should we even be making anything of these lap times? The first two sessions seem like a write-off to me.

[MSC Fan]

Should we even be making anything of these lap times? The first two sessions seem like a write-off to me.

Apparently it rained in Istanbul and the track is slippery again. I think we can only know the true pace tomorrow in the race and that is assuming it doesn't rain tonight.

[jgonzalesm6]

Apparently it rained in Istanbul and the track is slippery again. I think we can only know the true pace tomorrow in the race and that is assuming it doesn't rain tonight.

Yep, it rained last night. Any rubber left on the track has been washed away.

Forecast for rain in quali is 40% chance.

Forecast for rain during the race is 60% chance.

This will be interesting. Who's got the skills??? Expect some safety cars during the race.

[KimiBot]

LOL, Ocon trying to blame Charles for that

[jgonzalesm6]

LOL, Ocon trying to blame Charles for that

Charles did "tap" Ocon from the rear.

Car's went from inters to full wets...

[KimiBot]

What could Charles do when Ocon put his car front of him, it was Ocons fault, nothing happened, but childish to try blame other driver when you are making something stupid

[KimiBot]

Interesting quali and race ahead, for sure, and Hamilton is not getting pole or win.

[ntukza]

How's FP3 looking? What's happening?

[Ferrarichamp]

what does Ham need to take the title? P3 i think.

[jgonzalesm6]

What could Charles do when Ocon put his car front of him, it was Ocons fault, nothing happened, but childish to try blame other driver when you are making something stupid

Ocon was the lead car, Charles was behind and Charles entered the turn a bit later as Ocon cut the apex.....then the tap from Charles from behind....racing incident.

No harm no foul.

[KimiBot]

started heavy rain minute ago, session over I guess

[KimiBot]

what does Ham need to take the title? P3 i think.

7 points missing, if I remember right

[jgonzalesm6]

How's FP3 looking? What's happening?

It's wet. Drivers finding the threshold of balance given the track conditions and tire compounds (full wets).

[jgonzalesm6]

22 minutes left in FP3 and no cars on the track.

[ntukza]

Oh dear.

[jgonzalesm6]

9 minutes left and some cars on the track. ALOT of spray coming from the back of the cars.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I'd take this grid :lol

[tifosi1993]

FP3

Verstappen: 40.178 --- 39.991 --- 26.869 --- 1:48.485 --- 290

Leclerc: 40.460 --- 40.426 --- 26.951 --- 1:49.430 --- 273

Albon: 41.058 --- 39.797 --- 26.851 --- 1:50.059 --- 289

Ocon: 41.934 --- 42.026 --- 27.606 --- 1:53.897 --- 264

Norris: 42.465 --- 42.299 -- 28.201 --- 1:53.995 --- 267

Vettel: 42.538 --- 43.021 --- 28.546 --- 1:54.490 --- 258

Perez: 41.947 --- 42.277 --- 27.937 --- 1:55.577 --- 275

Bottas: 42.220 --- 43.955 --- 28.567 --- 1:55.666 --- 252

Magnussen: 42.775 --- 42.271 --- 29.715 --- 1:55.878 --- 257

Stroll: 42.882 --- 42.241 --- 29.967 --- 1:56.824 --- 240

Ricciardo: 43.505 --- 42.857 --- 31.132 --- 1:58.475 --- 251

Sainz: 43.297 --- 44.069 --- 28.565 --- 1:59.548 --- 283

Giovinazzi: 44.883 --- 45.689 --- 29.834 --- 2:02.325 --- 259

Gasly: 45.198 --- 44.787 --- 31.679 --- 2:02.473 --- 258

Grosjean: 45.881 --- 46.556 --- 31.441 --- 2:02.748 --- 240

Raikkonen: 45.793 --- 48.119 --- 30.216 --- 2:04.748 --- 236

Kvyat: 46.276 --- 47.985 --- 31.939 --- 2:09.368 --- 241

Russell

Latifi

Hamilton

[gump1480]

I want the Quali to be wet. Will probably put to rest the "myth" that in rain it's the driver who can outshine the car and Lewis is the goat in rain.

[jgonzalesm6]

It has'nt rained. We still have a moist track.

Drivers are going to use the end of the qualifying sessions times due to track evolution.

[KimiBot]

funny quali

[jgonzalesm6]

funny quali

Rallye quali LOL...

[Greig]

Red flag incoming.....

[jgonzalesm6]

RED FLAG due to the rain.

[Greig]

Will be dark soon, qual prob have to be finished tomorrow if red flag lasts a while.

[KimiBot]

Will be dark soon, qual prob have to be finished tomorrow if red flag lasts a while.

yes, someone said that it is going to rain to 5 pm tomorrow, lol

[Tifoso Svedese]

Sunset is in 2 h 30 mins so I think it'll be alright. If it'd be dry tomorrow, it'd be a bit nuts to freeze the qualifying - I think they'd just declare the session null and void and restart from 18 mins if it has to be delayed.

That being said, I think Charles will be able to easily go through because they won't green-flag until the track is much better. That they tried to race in Istanbul this late in the year shows a basic lack of climatological knowledge inside Liberty Media. Istanbul is very unpredictable and much chillier than people think. It's not exactly Alanya :lol That those running the circuit gave resurfacing a go four weeks ahead of the race is just priceless.

[chinmay]

START THE COUNT!

[nani_s23]

Our strategy team :rotfl they never disappoint us.

[chinmay]

Nicely done. Resumed qualifying so late that it's almost dry and one team can continue with their pole streak.

[Greig]

Nicely done. Resumed qualifying so late that it's almost dry and one team can continue with their pole streak.

Yeah almost dry :rotfl

Red flag again

[330 p4]

One chance for LeClerc, anyone spins off that's it. Hope everyone keeps the car on the track. Need some luck.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Better hope Masi isn't trigger-happy on the red-flag button again...

Given the SC-geddon lately I'm very pessimistic.

[Tifoso Svedese]

That was one long lap, especially since Kvyat spun right in front of Leclerc. Anyway, both cars through and hopefully a clean Q2 session ahead.

[nani_s23]

Damn.... ham got lucky again...!! With Perez didn’t complete lap & kvyat spin.

[Greig]

Better hope Masi isn't trigger-happy on the red-flag button again...

Given the SC-geddon lately I'm very pessimistic.

You can surely understand the red flag in these conditions, or do you forget Jules so quickly?

[330 p4]

Amazing if someone beats Merc to pole. This seems like the only chance this year.

[Tifoso Svedese]

You can surely understand the red flag in these conditions, or do you forget Jules so quickly?

Suzuka and Istanbul are two completely different circuits and the particular corners in question aren't even compatible.

[jgonzalesm6]

Max the rain-miester.

[KimiBot]

nice lap by Max

[Greig]

Suzuka and Istanbul are two completely different circuits and the particular corners in question aren't even compatible.

Wow

[Tifoso Svedese]

Wow

Ok Sturgeon.

Anyway, starting the session with yellow in S2? :rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

Suzuka and Istanbul are two completely different circuits and the particular corners in question aren't even compatible.

Not to mention, Jules was driving very fast under raining conditions and under VSC.

[Greig]

Not to mention, Jules was driving very fast under raining conditions and under VSC.

Wow

[Tifoso Svedese]

Not to mention, Jules was driving very fast under raining conditions and under VSC.

Blind corner, elevation differences and no run-offs. You don't need a red flag/SC when a car is 30 metres off the circuit to be honest. Sutil's car was within ten.

[Greig]

Ok Sturgeon.



What? Oh is that meant to be some insult or something?

[Greig]

Blind corner, elevation differences and no run-offs. You don't need a red flag/SC when a car is 30 metres off the circuit to be honest. Sutil's car was within ten.

Shut up already.

[Tifoso Svedese]

What? Oh is that meant to be some insult or something?

A ringing endorsement of Scotland :-D Enjoy your lockdown!

[chinmay]

People are already on inters, soon they will be on Softs and the pole will be gifted again. What a farce.

[Greig]

A ringing endorsement of Scotland :-D

Not quite sure of your point? but probably best you leave it now.

[jgonzalesm6]

Wow

yeah WOW.....it's true.

[Greig]

yeah WOW.....it's true.

Wow

[chinmay]

So the car is super slow in rain too. Faster cars in dry are faster in rain. Slower cars in dry are slower. If only they started a bit earlier, there would be actual change in grid.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Have the nutcases gambled on a dry set-up?????

[Greig]

Have the nutcases gambled on a dry set-up?????

There is no wet setup these days.

[jgonzalesm6]

So the ALFA's are faster than the Ferrari's in the wet.....geeeez.

[Greig]

Poor from both our boys.

[Tifoso Svedese]

This is the most disgraceful qualifying performance ever. Hardly even within 107 % on the same tyres. They BETTER have gone for a full-dry set-up and it BETTER be bone dry tomorrow.

[nani_s23]

Kimi & Gio :clap.... both are great drivers than Leclerc & vettel.

[chinmay]

So the ALFA's are faster than the Ferrari's in the wet.....geeeez.

Alfa is a better car in the dry too. Leclerc was simply outperforming them. The current car is one of the worst car ever. It is bad in both dry and wet.

[gump1480]

And Albon better than Lewis !!

[gump1480]

This is the most disgraceful qualifying performance ever. Hardly even within 107 % on the same tyres. They BETTER have gone for a full-dry set-up and it BETTER be bone dry tomorrow.

Heard that its gonna rain tomorrow too

[KimiBot]

So the ALFA's are faster than the Ferrari's in the wet.....geeeez.

...

[ntukza]

Disappointing.

[KimiBot]

Alfa is a better car in the dry too. Leclerc was simply outperforming them. The current car is one of the worst car ever. It is bad in both dry and wet.

:thumb

[Redfive]

Well that wasn't so good was it. damn

[Ferrarichamp]

really poor.

[tifosi1993]

Stroll on Pole!

[Greig]

Nicely done. Resumed qualifying so late that it's almost dry and one team can continue with their pole streak.

:rotfl

[Peter De La Mar]

Well done Stroll!! Haha

[Greig]

Well done Stroll lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Nice drive by Stroll. WOW

[tifosi1993]

Max is really something else. Outqualiying Albon by more than 2 seconds and always there when it rains.

And wet track is yet again Leclerc's weakness. He needs to improve his wet weather driving.

[KimiBot]

that was exciting, congrats to Stroll P1

[jgonzalesm6]

It would seem last year's Merc is better than this year's Merc in the wet.

[KimiBot]

It would seem last year's Merc is better than this year's Merc in the wet.

Alfa beats Ferrari and Racing Point beats Mercs, we are living weird times :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Alfa beats Ferrari and Racing Point beats Mercs, we are living weird times :-D

In the wet....yes.

[tifosi1993]

Qualifying:

Stroll: 40.723 --- 37.594 --- 29.448 --- 1:47.765 --- 253

Verstappen: 40.721 --- 37.736 --- 29.598 --- 1:48.055 --- 260

Perez: 40.685 --- 38.805 --- 29.831 --- 1:49.321 --- 248

Albon: 40.994 --- 38.696 --- 29.519 --- 1:50.448 --- 268

Ricciardo: 41.519 --- 39.885 --- 30.191 --- 1:51.595 --- 250

Hamilton: 42.281 --- 39.943 --- 30.191 --- 1:52.560 --- 246

Ocon: 42.436 --- 39.902 --- 30.284 --- 1:52.622 --- 243

Raikkonen: 42.262 --- 39.703 --- 30.545 --- 1:52.745 --- 248

Bottas: 42.544 --- 40.311 --- 29.880 --- 1:53.258 --- 251

Giovinazzi: 42.816 --- 40.105 --- 30.510 --- 1:57.226

Norris: 43.193 --- 40.848 --- 30.727 --- 1:54.945 --- 244

Vettel: 43.692 --- 40.764 --- 30.713 --- 1:55.169 --- 240

Sainz: 43.234 --- 40.707 --- 31.445 --- 1:55.410 --- 256

Leclerc: 44.667 --- 41.023 --- 30.826 --- 1:56.696 --- 247

Gasly: 44.670 --- 42.104 --- 31.380 --- 1:58.556 --- 234

Magnussen: 46.061 --- 46.833 --- 33.302 --- 2:08.007 --- 234

Kvyat: 47.536 --- 46.710 --- 33.349 --- 2:09.070 --- 225

Russell: 47.655 --- 47.367 --- 33.286 --- 2:10.017 --- 236

Grosjean: 49.016 --- 46.826 --- 34.003 --- 2:12.909 --- 242

Latifi: 48.875 --- 49.702 --- 35.328 --- 2:21.611 --- 207

[tifosi1993]

I don't know why all of sudden both drivers struggled with front tyre temperature. It looked OK during the FP1, 2 and 3.

[tifosi1993]

Nice drive by Stroll. WOW

Pirelli lottery. TP could switch on the tyres but Mercedes couldn't.

[stefa]

Why I am not surprised we got the uglier end of the stick with these conditions?!

[jgonzalesm6]

Pirelli lottery. TP could switch on the tyres but Mercedes couldn't.

It was purely on merit. Mercedes "effed" up this time. It's not many, but Mercedes got caught with their pants down.

[nani_s23]

This is Ferrari’s problem from ages. Only MS & Alonso drove the wheels off Ferrari car under wet conditions. From then it was struggle for Ferrari to match or lit up their tyres under these conditions. Combined with worst car this season, doesn’t get better than this.

[chinmay]

The last good car in the wet was back in 2015, since then it's been a disgrace. Same problem every year, regardless of how car works in dry, it turns out to be an absolute dud in wet.

[nani_s23]

Leclerc needs to improve his wet racing skills. It seems he struggles a lot in wet track conditions.

[F2008]

It reminds me of Monza 2017, where Stroll was also quite handy in wet conditions, eventually starting P2 in a Williams.

[jgonzalesm6]

It reminds me of Monza 2017, where Stroll was also quite handy in wet conditions, eventually starting P2 in a Williams.

That was a dry(free practice), wet(qualifying), dry(race) weekend. Not the same. On race day, Stroll lost his place in T1 to Ocon on the first lap. Stroll ended up P7 and Massa P8.

[jgonzalesm6]

Stroll and Norris under investigation for not respecting yellow flags. Stroll could loose his P1 position.

[tifosi1993]

I've said it after Wet Austrian qualifying and I will say it again, wet weather driving is the only chink in Leclerc's armor. He needs to improve his wet weather driving to become the complete package like Max.

But he also needs a more predictable car. I don't believe Giovinazzi or Albon are better at handling wet conditions than Leclerc.

[tifosi1993]

It reminds me of Monza 2017, where Stroll was also quite handy in wet conditions, eventually starting P2 in a Williams.

Stroll was P13 in Austria, today he's on pole. Sainz was P3 in Austria, today he's P13. I think its all down to the Pirelli lottery.

But I'm also not downplaying wet weather skills. Take Max for an example, always there when it rains, regardless the circuit.

[maxc1]

What about Brazil quali for Charles in the Alfa? He did well then! It’s just the car

[tifosi1993]

What about Brazil quali for Charles in the Alfa? He did well then! It’s just the car

He was also quite competitive in today's FP3. But still, I can't remember any eye catching wet weather performance from Leclerc. He needs to improve his wet driving, because getting outqualified by Vettel on both occasions this year when it rained, not a good thing.

[FerrariF60]

He was also quite competitive in today's FP3. But still, I can't remember any eye catching wet weather performance from Leclerc. He needs to improve his wet driving, because getting outqualified by Vettel on both occasions this year when it rained, not a good thing.

maybe he's doesnt' have that WET weather craft like others do.....but i'm sure he can work on that

[tifosi1993]

maybe he's doesnt' have that WET weather craft like others do.....but i'm sure he can work on that

I am sure he WILL improve, he doesn't require much to hone his wet weather skills, he's raw speed is above everyone else.

Just need to cut out the mistakes and find a way to heat up the front tyres. But the current Ferrari is unpredictable, so he can't do much with his years car.

[F2008]

Stroll was P13 in Austria, today he's on pole. Sainz was P3 in Austria, today he's P13. I think its all down to the Pirelli lottery.

But I'm also not downplaying wet weather skills. Take Max for an example, always there when it rains, regardless the circuit.

Stroll's qualifying times in the wet in Austria were still much better than Perez who was already out in Q1, so you are actually proving my point there.
In 2017, Stroll was outqualified by Massa almost everywhere (17-2) and by large margins (0.6s on average), but in Monza he beat Massa by 1.2s (also in the wet).

[nani_s23]

Charles: "We are not speaking of a few tenths, we are speaking of six seconds which is huge. We really need to understand what we are doing wrong in the rain. Because this is not the first time, it‘s been a few times in the rain that we are struggling more than the others."

:-)

Charles needs to understand, ferrari in the wet it’s always the same struggle year & year. Irrespective of who the driver is ... only Alonso & MS are exceptions.

[jgonzalesm6]

Stroll and Norris under investigation for not respecting yellow flags. Stroll could loose his P1 position.

Stroll is cleared and keeps his P1 position.

[nani_s23]

Sainz - 3 place grid penalty
Norris - 5 place grid penalty

For blocking Perez & not slowing down under yellow flag.
Motorsport.com

Vettel P11 & Leclerc P12....hope it’s a lottery race tomorrow.

[nani_s23]

Drivers under investigation for yellow flag infringements during Q1. Sainz, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll, Perez, Norris, Hamilton, Bottas, Magnussen & Russell.

Of which Sainz/Norris received penalties. Stroll was cleared.

Rest of the drivers are still under investigation.

Correction : Ham, bottas, KMag, Russell didn’t improve their times. So cleared.

[SilverSpeed]

Knowing Charles he will dig into this matter and improve I'm sure.

He's done it before and will do it again it's just his nature so give him time.

[nani_s23]

It was Max Vers-RB opportunity to loose the pole & he did. All through the weekend, RB-Albon/Max were strong under these conditions. They couldn’t capitalise.

Hopefully there’s something up for tomorrow.

[Ferrarichamp]

Leclerc is obviously a very fast driver. But being fast in the wet, aren't those skills you are born with, like Senna and Michael? I'm not sure to what degree a driver can 'learn' to be fast in the wet?

[wisepie]

The team and drivers said it was all due to the inability to get the tyres into the correct window, how often have we heard that these past few seasons? I do believe that Charles can be competitive in the wet and both he and Seb had the same tyre issues, it doesn't bode well if it is a wet race tomorrow. It will all be a lottery if that happens, but well done Kimi and GIO for cheering me up.:roll

[Tifoso Svedese]

The team and drivers said it was all due to the inability to get the tyres into the correct window, how often have we heard that these past few seasons? I do believe that Charles can be competitive in the wet and both he and Seb had the same tyre issues, it doesn't bode well if it is a wet race tomorrow. It will all be a lottery if that happens, but well done Kimi and GIO for cheering me up.:roll

Charles can be. On intermediates in FP3 he was pretty fast. In Germany last year he was very fast until he slid over that line.

[458 Italia]

I really don't know if the cars of this period can have such a thing as a "wet set-up" It seems to me that that is a thing of the past.

*Also honestly didn't realise there was F1 on this weekend! It's pretty much dead to me now.

[T99]

He was also quite competitive in today's FP3. But still, I can't remember any eye catching wet weather performance from Leclerc. He needs to improve his wet driving, because getting outqualified by Vettel on both occasions this year when it rained, not a good thing.

It wasn’t only 2 wet qualifying sessions this year it was 3, Austria, Hungary, and now in Turkey all 3 sessions vettel who clearly is not comfortable with the car has outqualified leclerc, also last year in Germany he crashed the previous year in Germany as well in the sauber had a 360 spin nearly put it in the wall, driving in the wet is clearly not leclerc’s favourite thing

[gump1480]

I want the Quali to be wet. Will probably put to rest the "myth" that in rain it's the driver who can outshine the car and Lewis is the goat in rain.

So it doesn't really matter who is driving the car in rain... as long as the car is very good in such conditions. Lewis in this year's Merc is beaten pants down by Stroll in last year's Merc !!! Even though Ferraris disappointed.. But it was a fun quali to watch.

[nani_s23]

Stroll is proving he’s good at least in these conditions.
Merc - B team taken pole away from Merc - A team. :-)

Lewis reaction ... as usual. When he doesn’t like the track or on top of quali, he makes lot of excuses.

[Brembo]

Lewis did his quali. with extreme caution. He only needs to finish the race anywhere ahead of Bottas in the top 10 to win #7 WDC. Quali. conditions were so that any mistake could have put him out of the 10. Just look at Charles! I had him down for 3rd! One less pole or win will be worth it .

[nani_s23]

The FIA stewards are investigating an aborted engine change at AlphaTauri

Motorsport.com

[Brembo]

Lewis for the most part doesn't need excuses for mistakes . 98,95 ,7 are good mistakes!! He should at least say he's proud of making mistakes, not make excuses. No other driver makes as many mistakes as Lewis . It's the" Car!!!" Were all those Bottas spins team orders ?? Max needs just 12 pts. + to finish #2 WDC . That other Merc rocket not in Lewis' hands proves without a doubt his driving is also what wins the races. Even @ R Bull, Max has allot to do with the results.