Sakhir GP 2020 - Race

[tifosi1993]

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Forza Ferrari

[Rob]

Is there any live links?

[20000rpm]

She looks such a beauty under the lights...:love:love
Thank you for sharing...

[jgonzalesm6]

Is there any live links?

Sportsurge.net

1. click on the motorsport icon

2. click on the F1 icon

3. choose the stream bets fits your platform. (it's tricky so alot of spam and pop-ups but just keep trying)

[Tifoso Svedese]

I assume if Charles stays in the top six until it's time to change to the hards we're set for some points today. However, I'm prepared for that sinking Mugello and Nürburgring feeling. If that happens I'm turning off :lol

It's so tragic that the FIA and Mercedes cheated and banned our engine because with it, Charles could've nearly lapped the field today or at least won by half a minute.

[tifosi1993]

OT:

The F2 Champion. :thumb

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[nani_s23]

Congrats Mick Schumi...!! Your father MS would be proud of you.

[nani_s23]

All the best for Charles & Vettel...!! Hope both have a good race.

[ferrari1.8t]

Congratulations Mick!

Hopefully Leclerc can make something happen today, short track could be a DRS procession. Forza Ferrari!

[nani_s23]

BREAKING: a new engine and turbo for Lando Norris will send him to the back of the grid for today's race

[FerrariF60]

7763

[Stormsearcher]

An hour to go. Just hoping Charles has a clean first lap. The boy can do wonders if he is still in the fight.
I have a feeling this is going to be a race of attrition. Keeping fingers crossed our cars can escape whatever melee that is likely to unfold. :pray

[Redfive]

Today I'll be cheering on Charles, Seb and uhmm George. (in that order) Would love to see GR beat Bottas, but Charles on the podium would be so much better!

[MSC Fan]

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Forza Ferrari

As horrible as the SF1000 is, I must admit, it is very beautiful.

[FerrariF60]

As horrible as the SF1000 is, I must admit, it is very beautiful.

The only horrible thing about the SF1000 is the engine....if the engine was just as good as the aero on it....it would have been a different 2020 season....roll on 2021 when we’ll have a brand new more powerful engine

[Brembo]

Today I'll be cheering on Charles, Seb and uhmm George. (in that order) Would love to see GR beat Bottas, but Charles on the podium would be so much better!

Why George? He's the enemy.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why George? He's the enemy.

No he's not IF you really think about it.

Russell is ammunition for the Lewis pundits

[stefa]

CL needs to learn that race is not just the start :furious

[jgonzalesm6]

ugh....Max and Leclerc are out.

[nani_s23]

CL needs to learn that race is not just the start :furious

Yup.... he’s been very aggressive...!!

Go-kart clash is back Max vs leclerc

[tifosi1993]

Our race is over.

[JHAMMER]

What LeClerc out?

[stefa]

very stupid!

[Greig]

Perez to blame

[nani_s23]

Perez was the main culprit & then leclerc. Max no mistake

[patrese86]

Perez doesn't deserve to have a drive next year after pulling those kind of reckless stunts

[JHAMMER]

LeClerc blameless???

[stefa]

Really don't see why is this Perez mistake?!

[tifosi1993]

LeClerc blameless???

I don't think so. He locked up his front right.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Nominally it's Charles but Pérez must give more room than that so it's definitely not penalty-worthy. Dust storms and dirt off line to blame. It's a shame but at least it's better this happens now than with the new engine next year. Mainly, the FIA and Mercedes are to blame for banning our legal engine or Charles would've had an easy pole anyway.

[nani_s23]

Sainz into 3rd very good

[jgonzalesm6]

I don't think so. He locked up his front right.

yep....agreed.

[chinmay]

LeClerc blameless???

Sky blaming Leclerc more than Perez. They are saying Perez didn't leave enough room but Leclerc was desperate to overtake Max and locked up.

[tifosi1993]

yep....agreed.

He wouldn't have made that corner. He was too late on the brake.

[MSC Fan]

Yep. All that hardwork in yesterday's quali is ruined.

[tifosi1993]

Let's see what Russell is made of. Leading with the best car, it's his race to lose.

[Greig]

He wouldn't have made that corner. He was too late on the brake.

He was making it, Perez needed to be more aware.

[stefa]

SV dropping like a stone

[jgonzalesm6]

He wouldn't have made that corner. He was too late on the brake.

yep

[Greig]

yep

Bottas locked up and made it...but whatever lol

[tifosi1993]

He was making it, Perez needed to be more aware.

Sure, Perez needed to be more aware, but Leclerc needed to be more patience.

[ntukza]

Such a shame about Leclerc. I really think he needs to be more controlled on lap one. Well, that's one less point of interest in the race. Now for George Russell.

[Greig]

Sure, Perez needed to be more aware, but Leclerc needed to be more patience.

In what way? he was passed Max and not even trying to pass Perez when he was chopped off.

[Brembo]

No he's not IF you really think about it.

Russell is ammunition for the Lewis pundits

Oh ! So fans here want Lewis' car to win without him driving. I have a lot to learn.

[MSC Fan]

It wouldn't matter much this year but Leclerc should definitely learn to keep a cooler head. He definitely can't let it happen when he would be fighting for championships.

[Greig]

Such a shame about Leclerc. I really think he needs to be more controlled on lap one. Well, that's one less point of interest in the race. Now for George Russell.

What should he do? not pass Max?

[nani_s23]

SV dropping like a stone

On top shot, he’s struggling a lot with front end....!! Don’t know how he’s driving

[darkchild]

Stupid stupid move by Leclerc.

[Tifoso Svedese]

F1 needs to make suspensions more durable to contact.

[jgonzalesm6]

In what way? he was passed Max and not even trying to pass Perez when he was chopped off.


What should he do? not pass Max?

Lecclerc locked up going into the turn....carrying too much speed.....Leclerc would have over shot the corner.

[stefa]

In the meantime, VB is such a waste of driver.... Kid comes, sit in the car and is beating him comfortable.

[ntukza]

What should he do? not pass Max?

No he did well to pass Max but it looks like he went miles ahead and battled to control the car around the apex. He could have tamed his launch a little bit and controlled the cornering a bit better. Do you not think so?

[superwonderboy]

Crofty has no shame�� kicking us while we down. All i can say is keep talking crofty, keep talking����

[Greig]

No he did well to pass Max but it looks like he went miles ahead and battled to control the car around the apex. He could have tamed his launch a little bit and controlled the cornering a bit better. Do you not think so?

Just racing it happens, small lock up into the corner on cold tyres and a dusty track should be no real issue if Perez does not sweep across and smash into him.

[tifosi1993]

Bottas looks quite comfortable behind Russell. Has more pace.

[stefa]

Any way CL needs to learn patience....

[nani_s23]

In the meantime, VB is such a waste of driver.... Kid comes, sit in the car and is beating him comfortable.

Bottas managing the pace

[stefa]

Such a boring race...

[MSC Fan]

Any way CL needs to learn patience....

This. He was going into the corner as if he was hotlapping.

[MSC Fan]

Russell isn't even using the kerbs and is saying that he could go 2 tenths quicker per lap. This really is a disaster for Bottas.

[Greig]

Any way CL needs to learn patience....

Hardly like it happens every race mate.

[Warp]

Leclerc should be more patient. Eventually he will learn like Max did.. Vettel no pace. Russell is showing how far ahead Mercedes

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell 3secs ahead of Bottas on lap 32.

[stefa]

4.5 sec stop in a lap of 58 sec!!!!! Great :furious

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ragazzi spaghetti at it again in the pitlane :-??

[nani_s23]

Our pit stops....:rotfl wonderful nothing will change

[chinmay]

4.5 sec stop in a lap of 58 sec!!!!! Great :furious

That's called consistency. Every race, same pit stop.

[stefa]

Hardly like it happens every race mate.

I am just saying... Anyway it is good as he is throwing away races like this, driving very bad car, so it is not a big waste

[stefa]

Will this be THE most boring race?!

[Peter De La Mar]

Max very much of the opinion that Charles messed up.

[MSC Fan]

I hope Leclerc learns something out of today, we know he always does. But to be fair, looking at the current scene, he would've fallen outside the points by lap 10.

[MSC Fan]

Max very much of the opinion that Charles messed up.

Even Leclerc thinks that he messed up.

[Warp]

CL said it was his fault.

[Greig]

Even Leclerc thinks that he messed up.

No he did not really...he said he did not expect Perez to come back over the track like that.....

[jgonzalesm6]

No he did not really...he said he did not expect Perez to come back over the track like that.....

Leclerc accepted blame for the incident. He does'nt blame Perez for the incident.

[Tifoso Svedese]

It's Hammy's car, George don't worry :rotfl

[stefa]

It's Hammy's car, George don't worry :rotfl

But it has to be some kind of drama, no matter who is driving :rotfl

[Greig]

Leclerc accepted blame for the incident. He does'nt blame Perez for the incident.

He said there was no blame.....maybe he said something different to you though.

[Tifoso Svedese]

For me that's no grid penalty anyway, Max crashed on his own because he got reckless on the marbles whereas Pérez virtually didn't lose all that much. Charles was the one who lost the most anyway.

[jgonzalesm6]

He said there was no blame.....maybe he said something different to you though.

Leclerc: Basically I was in fifth I think and I was side by side behind Max and I tried to overtake him. I expected Sergio to go around the outside of Valtteri and he decided not to. I am not putting the blame on Checo, it's my mistake.

[Greig]

Leclerc: Basically I was in fifth I think and I was side by side behind Max and I tried to overtake him. I expected Sergio to go around the outside of Valtteri and he decided not to. I am not putting the blame on Checo, it's my mistake.

Not what he said on the feed then....

[ntukza]

Just racing it happens, small lock up into the corner on cold tyres and a dusty track should be no real issue if Perez does not sweep across and smash into him.

I suppose. It would help if he was just a tad more cautious though, but like you say, hopefully no real issue.

[ferrari1.8t]

Just tuning in. Shame that Leclerc is out. I’ll have to watch the replays to see what happened.

Great that Russell is proving that Hamilton is average at best. Hope he takes it home - finally put and end to the Hamilton-Goat debate.

Looking forward to this dismal season ending.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Isn't it amazing that the car winning all the time is like a horse with carriage in every race according to the driver? :lol

[nani_s23]

6.5 dec pit stop... wowwww simply wowwww

[Tifoso Svedese]

Barilla and Espresso time in the pits again what the hell guys? :rotfl

[Warp]

What's wrong with our pit stops this year?

[jgonzalesm6]

Perez overtakes his team mate....LOL

and Ocon......

[jgonzalesm6]

What's wrong with our pit stops this year?

It's been an on going problem with Ferrari....if that's what you mean.

[nani_s23]

Pit crew giving great send off to vettel :rotfl

[h3ro]

What on earth are these pit stops... what a joke. Brundle is basically laughing at the footage.

What a shambles.

[stefa]

Ferrari pit crew made it again! 6.5s this time

[nani_s23]

It's been an on going problem with Ferrari....if that's what you mean.

Wts not the problem at ferrari. Except drivers.
Pit calls strategies / pit stop / worst car...!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Wts not the problem at ferrari. Except drivers.
Pit calls strategies / pit stop / worst car...!!

agreed.

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes double stack went wrong....for Bottas.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Mercedes collapse!

[Warp]

Lmao! That was disaster.

[nani_s23]

Mercs made harrakiri :rotfl

[stefa]

Mercedes pit crew messed up big time. Such a shame for young Russel

[Warp]

And I thought it was bad. That's even worse!

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes screwed Russell on the pit stop...had to come in again under the safety car.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Did Hammy text Toto telling them "I do not accept this"? :rotfl

[h3ro]

Mercedes saving us the shame of keeping focus on our trash stops.

[stefa]

Did Hammy text Toto telling them "I do not accept this"? :rotfl

:rotflNot to be just a car, but UBERMENSCH LH :rotfl

[h3ro]

Also... PEREZ P1!!

VAMOS CHECO!

[Peter De La Mar]

Lol Mercedes do a Ferrari and choke badly.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Not understanding the need for a real SC there.

Anyway, I hope Pérez self-destructs. Would serve him right for going to McLaren in 2013 instead of waiting one year for us.

[nani_s23]

Perezzzz he’s having a wonderful season..

[Lesky]

Russell has endured more screw ups from Mercedes in 1 race than Hamilton has endured in 7 years - THE FIX IS IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Merc should swap Bottas and Russell now, it they have some sense of decency in them!

[h3ro]

Not understanding the need for a real SC there.

Wing was sitting on the exit of a tremendously fast turn on a sub 1 minute lap. No gaps for marshalls to come out safely. After everything we've seen last week, it's the right call.

[jgonzalesm6]

Perezzzz he’s having a wonderful season..

agreed....

[Tifoso Svedese]

Wing was sitting on the exit of a tremendously fast turn on a sub 1 minute lap. No gaps for marshalls to come out safely. After everything we've seen last week, it's the right call.

VSC.

[h3ro]

VSC.

They called one out and still couldn't get a gap so they called a full SC.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Defund the Bottler :rotfl

[h3ro]

Bottas is trash.

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell is the MAAAAAAAANNNN!!!! He just past his team mate.

[Greig]

VSC.

No gaps to make it safe, what part of that do you miss? You do seem to hate anything done safely in F1 though, strange.

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell passes Stroll...now P3

edit....Russell passes Ocon...now P2

[h3ro]

George has some gusto. Going to be fun seeing him fight Charles and Max someday.

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes screwed Bottas on the last pit stop...they put on old tires on Bottas.

[stefa]

From win to 15th

[Warp]

Perez win!

[Greig]

So Russell back to racing the Williams hahaha

[h3ro]

Gutted for Russell. What a shame.

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell puncture on lap 79.......ugggghhh.

[Lesky]

Russell has endured TWICE AS many problems from Mercedes in 1 race than Hamilton has endured in 7 years...

[stefa]

As I am watching races on German RTL television, and I cannot understand German 100% they are saying something that both Mercedes could be disqualified because of mess up with tires in the box?!?!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Nah I'm tuning out. Like I said before I don't like Pérez anyway...

Anyway hope Toto sees sense and just sacks the Bottler after this weekend. F1 needs Hammy to have a challenger next season.

[Greig]

Great for Perez...

[ferrari1.8t]

Russell has endured TWICE AS many problems from Mercedes in 1 race than Hamilton has endured in 7 years...

This. Gutted for the guy.

[stefa]

As I am saying....

[stefa]

Race will be won by the guy who is not driving next year?!

[Greig]

This. Gutted for the guy.

Who cares really, Merc is the enemy not Lewis.

[stefa]

When was the last time Ferrari finished season in CWC at 6th place?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Not to mention an illegal car will win. Great job FIA!

[stefa]

Who cares really, Merc is the enemy not Lewis.

:thumb

[stefa]

@BREMBO,

It is THE CAR! Not YOUR goat LH!

[Greig]

Well done Perez

[h3ro]

Congratulations to Checo. Red Bull are idiots if they don't get the contract ready.

[jgonzalesm6]

Get in there Checo....from last to first.

[Lesky]

@BREMBO,

It is THE CAR! Not YOUR goat LH!

Definitely!

[nani_s23]

Congrats Perez.... bottas waste hence proved.

[330 p4]

Russel was at least as good as Hamilton, wrong sized shoes as Hamilton as small pedals for his girly feet, seat that's not optimised etc, thrashed Bottas. Shows it's all the car. Contract is easy for Merc just ask Russel and Hamilton who will drive for 1 million gets the seat and will be 2021 champion.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Yeah they should low-ball Lulu like crazy now to see the meltdown.

[nani_s23]

One more race left.... disastrous Ferrari Season.

[ferrari1.8t]

Who cares really, Merc is the enemy not Lewis.

You are right. But I’m tired and can’t stand the consent barrage of comments from sky, F1 fans who have only watched F1 for the last 8 years and Hamilton fanboys. He is not the Goat, he is not a God. Anyway, you know how I feel. Lol

Like I said earlier, looking forward to the end of this dismal season. Hoping for a positive 2021...

[nani_s23]

Congrats Ocon... you too deserved it

[Greig]

So they have still to investigate Perez v Charles.....

[tifosi1993]

Well done Checo, well ******* done. This man deserves to be in F1. Come on Liberty and FIA, it will be an absolute travesty if Checo is out of F1.

Russell made his mark today. Bottas is nothing but a Barrichello 2.0, he's only there to make his teammate look good.

[ntukza]

Who gets bumped in the first lap, spins around, drops to the back of the grid, and then comes back to win the race? Sergio Perez!

[Warp]

How can they copy a entire car in less than a year and make sure every piece works in harmony. No way they didn't do it without Mercedes help.

[Tifoso Svedese]

How can they copy a entire car in less than a year and make sure every piece works in harmony. No way they didn't do it without Mercedes help.

Yeah it's an illegal car. Baffles me why people on here are happy for a driver in a team with an illegal car beating us this season.

[ntukza]

Who cares really, Merc is the enemy not Lewis.

+1

[jgonzalesm6]

So gutted for Russell....but it is nice to see no Mercedes on the podium.

[ntukza]

@BREMBO,

It is THE CAR! Not YOUR goat LH!

It's both.

[alfa84]

Great drive from Toto Wolf.
Merc prove that thay can win without Ham, and Toto managed to bring the money to FI - Aston Martin, in which he owns 30%. No more sport here:furious

[alfa84]

It looks like he has the upper hand on the races, can controll everything. Bottas didn't need this win given that Ver is out, but FI yes. Rusell proved what Toto needed but this was all, he was just a degustator, that is all he ever wanted.

[jgonzalesm6]

I have'nt seen so much pink since I got lost in the lingerie department....:-D

[wisepie]

Could it get any worse for our team, Charles too ambitious maybe, but no more guilty than Perez, IMO. Our pit stops were shocking again for Seb who managed to do absolutely nothing except finish. Embarrassing doesn't cover it but what could we expect even if Charles had still been in the race, we'd have been sitting ducks. Russell shone but I don't support Mercedes or any other team except Alfa, the race was entertaining on that short track. This season has been so painful and it can't end soon enough.:-s

[Schumiklub]

I wouldn’t put it past Mercedes to have done this on purpose to protect Lewis. XD

[MSC Fan]

Well done Checo, well ******* done. This man deserves to be in F1. Come on Liberty and FIA, it will be an absolute travesty if Checo is out of F1.

Russell made his mark today. Bottas is nothing but a Barrichello 2.0, he's only there to make his teammate look good.

Don't insult Rubens. Maybe he didn't keep up with Michael in qualifying but he definitely had the gall to make a move. Bottas is somewhat close to Hamilton in qualifying but I have never seen any driver fall apart that easily in race and he doesn't have the gall to do anything.

[Warp]

I wouldn’t put it past Mercedes to have done this on purpose to protect Lewis. XD

They care more about their brand than Hamilton.

[h3ro]

Don't insult Rubens. Maybe he didn't keep up with Michael in qualifying but he definitely had the gall to make a move. Bottas is somewhat close to Hamilton in qualifying but I have never seen any driver fall apart that easily in race and he doesn't have the gall to do anything.

Oh please, let's not be revisionist here. The only move that Rubens ever made was moving off line so Michael could over take.

[MSC Fan]

The fight for P4 OR P4 in the championship is over. It likely wouldn't have been in our favour anyway coming into this race and would've been an out of points finish anyway but I hope Leclerc matures his racecraft with today. As for the battle for P6, Leclerc needs a minimum P4 which I don't think is far fetched in Abu Dhabi.

[MSC Fan]

Oh please, let's not be revisionist here. The only move that Rubens ever made was moving off line so Michael could over take.

Not revisionist. Just look up his moves in Donnington 1993, he went from P12 to P4 in 1 single lap in a bloody Jordan. You can definitely call him out for the lack of pace but it will be an insult to not mention his overtaking skills.

[MSC Fan]

Absolutely gutted for Russell. I feel almost just as bad for him as I did for Leclerc in Bahrain 2019. I hope Mercedes has learnt that Bottas is absolutely garbage.

[nani_s23]

I have'nt seen so much pink since I got lost in the lingerie department....:-D

:rotfl next Year it’s green.

[FerrariF60]

CL needs to learn that race is not just the start :furious

yup.....he did the same to Seb last race where vettel complained that he should have crashed into him....

Charles is good, but he needs to be a bit less aggressive in first corner incidents.....he pushed his luck again and this time he came out the sore loser

[FerrariF60]

Perez to blame

don't think so....he went for a gap that was always gonna close....why would perez yeld to a ferrari torpedo....the kid is good, but he needs to learn that a race is not won (well not this year cause we aint got the car) in the first corner

[Greig]

yup.....he did the same to Seb last race where vettel complained that he should have crashed into him....

Charles is good, but he needs to be a bit less aggressive in first corner incidents.....he pushed his luck again and this time he came out the sore loser

He was not even close to Seb last week.....

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc gets a 3 place grid penatly for next week........that sucks.

[ntukza]

Charles Leclerc 3 place grid penalty for next race.

[FerrariF60]

He was not even close to Seb last week.....

mate, re watch the start of last week's race.....seb had to back off into first corner from the aggressive Charles again....as he was saying that on the radio....."maybe i should have cashed into him"....that's what he said

[Greig]

mate, re watch the start of last week's race.....seb had to back off into first corner from the aggressive Charles again....as he was saying that on the radio....."maybe i should have cashed into him"....that's what he said

I watched it already, Seb had nothing to be crying about.

[FerrariF60]

Leclerc gets a 3 place grid penatly for next week........that sucks.

as much as i like this kid, and think that he's absolutely brilliant....but he deserves this grid drop to "cool him OFF" a bit....and stop being too aggressive.....i mean a racer will always try to be aggressive....but within the limits of course....

[FerrariF60]

I watched it already, Seb had nothing to be crying about.

whatever mate....

[ntukza]

Just racing it happens, small lock up into the corner on cold tyres and a dusty track should be no real issue if Perez does not sweep across and smash into him.

After watching more replays and on-boards I'm more convinced than before that Leclerc should be more controlled on lap 1.

[ntukza]

as much as i like this kid, and think that he's absolutely brilliant....but he deserves this grid drop to "cool him OFF" a bit....and stop being too aggressive.....i mean a racer will always try to be aggressive....but within the limits of course....

+1

[FerrariF60]

After watching more replays and on-boards I'm more convinced than before that Leclerc should be more controlled on lap 1.

Totally agree too.....but Greig seems to thing otherwise....hard to get that through his head....LOLOLOL....no wonder Charles will get 3 place grid drop for next race....WELL DESERVED....

[ntukza]

A doubly disappointing race in the end then. First, Leclerc's exit. Then, Russell's misfortune. Oh well. Such is life.

[Greig]

whatever mate....

Maybe YOU need to watch it again?

[FerrariF60]

A doubly disappointing race in the end then. First, Leclerc's exit. Then, Russell's misfortune. Oh well. Such is life.

Onwards and upwards as they say.....

[FerrariF60]

Maybe YOU need to watch it again?

sadly i did....i have it PVR'ed....and all i see is Charles being aggressive on the brakes into first corner hoping his teammate will ease off, which he HAD to, otherwise he would have crashed into Charles...

but like i said, WHATEVER MATE!!!!

[Greig]

sadly i did....i have it PVR'ed....and all i see is Charles being aggressive on the brakes into first corner hoping his teammate will ease off, which he HAD to, otherwise he would have crashed into Charles...

but like i said, WHATEVER MATE!!!!

:rotfl he was not even close to the sleeping Seb....

[F2008]

Leclerc is probably taking more risk in the first lap because he has nothing to lose anyway. I presume his approach would be different if he has a realistic chance of winning races. Nothing wrong with his move on Vettel imo.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc needs media training. Being honest is one thing, but being indiscreet is another thing. Saying infront of the whole F1 media that the blame is entirely his, which will always work against him, is a dumb thing to do.

The fault was Leclerc's. But if he kept quite, he wouldn't have received 3 place grid penalty, probably.

[darkchild]

Leclerc needs media training. Being honest is one thing, but being indiscreet is another thing. Saying infront of the whole F1 media that the blame is entirely his, which will always work against him, is a dumb thing to do.

The fault was Leclerc's. But if he kept quite, he wouldn't have received 3 place grid penalty, probably.
Nah, he would. He had it coming whole season long IMO.

Overly agressive, but only way to get some points with this car anyway.

[JHAMMER]

If it would have been Vettel instead of LeClerc some here would be all over Vettel's arshe.

[paolo lalli]

Looks like mercedes caught the spaghetti disease with pit stop scew up big time for Russell.They are human after all.Charles will learn from his mistake the young bull will learn how to harness his racing energy and risk factors.

[JPMFerrari]

Leclerc needs media training. Being honest is one thing, but being indiscreet is another thing. Saying infront of the whole F1 media that the blame is entirely his, which will always work against him, is a dumb thing to do.

The fault was Leclerc's. But if he kept quite, he wouldn't have received 3 place grid penalty, probably.

It's not like Ferrari has a car that score any points easily this year anyway.

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Cant help but think Merc gave away the lead wanting no one to think anybody could win in a Merc

[Redfive]

I told you Toto would not allow George to win. lol

[ferrari1.8t]

Cant help but think Merc gave away the lead wanting no one to think anybody could win in a Merc

Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorist in me would say yes! Anything to protect princess Hamilton’s ego. Yet, is it really plausible? Would Merc throw away points like that? Probably not.

[FerrariF60]

Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorist in me would say yes! Anything to protect princess Hamilton’s ego. Yet, is it really plausible? Would Merc throw away points like that? Probably not.

why would it matter a 1-2 for Merc anyways at this stage of the season??? i mean, sure we're talking about 43 points.....but they already wrapped WCC and WDC anyways.....NO????

[Schumiklub]

Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorist in me would say yes! Anything to protect princess Hamilton’s ego. Yet, is it really plausible? Would Merc throw away points like that? Probably not.

Maybe they wanted to ensure Racing Point takes the 3rd place in the WCC? I mean Toto would certainly like that. More money for Aston Martin next year.

[MSC Fan]

Cant help but think Merc gave away the lead wanting no one to think anybody could win in a Merc

Then, they're doing a pretty horrible job, mate. If that was their point, they could've easily asked Russell to go to a lower engine mode and pretend that the PU is on the edge of blowing up. What most people are thinking now is that Russell would've definitely won in the Mercedes if not for those blunders. As much as I dislike Mercedes, it doesn't make sense for them to make their drivers push like crazy in the beginning, have them cut through traffic (Russell was especially like a hot knife through butter) and then deliberately put the wrong tyres on just to prove that not everyone can win in the Mercedes. If that was what they wanted they would've made them look slow from the very beginning.

[Rishu]

Surprised to see Leclerc getting the penalty, my first instinct was it was Perez's fault. However, great win for the Mexican, Redbull need to replace Albon with Perez. Albon is down i confidence, 2021 could easily get worse for him.

Russel, as expected did show some character. He has good future, and what about Lord Bottas? Waste of a seat, absolute trash, and pls don't compare him with Rubens. Webber, Rubens at least had backbones and showed occasional fights, Bottas has zero character

[stefa]

If it would have been Vettel instead of LeClerc some here would be all over Vettel's arshe.

:thumb

[Riccardog]

so for me the awesome thing to take away from this terrible result for Ferrari is.... irrefutable proof that Bottas is nothing but a second rate racing driver, and that Russell's performance in the merc, shows without a shadow of a doubt that Hamilton is really nothing special, and ANYONE who is half decent can and will win in THAT car, the driver is nothing exceptional in it.....

[ntukza]

If it would have been Vettel instead of LeClerc some here would be all over Vettel's arshe.

Objectivity is a rare commodity around here.

[ntukza]

Looks like mercedes caught the spaghetti disease with pit stop scew up big time for Russell.They are human after all.Charles will learn from his mistake the young bull will learn how to harness his racing energy and risk factors.

How many times have we said this? At some point it starts becoming a concern.

[stefa]

so for me the awesome thing to take away from this terrible result for Ferrari is.... irrefutable proof that Bottas is nothing but a second rate racing driver, and that Russell's performance in the merc, shows without a shadow of a doubt that Hamilton is really nothing special, and ANYONE who is half decent can and will win in THAT car, the driver is nothing exceptional in it.....

:clap

[MSC Fan]

How many times have we said this? At some point it starts becoming a concern.

If he doesn't improve by the end of next year, maybe then it will be a concern. Verstappen took a comparable amount of time to calm himself down. We took this risk the moment we signed up a sophomore. Alonso made a tonne of mistakes and was beaten by Trulli in 2004 and Vettel made a tonne of errors in 2009 and 2010 too. If we needed a complete package, we should've waited till 2021 before promoting him but if we did that, we would have barely crossed 50 points in the standings this year with Kimi in the second seat. Unless we can get Hamilton or Verstappen or maybe even Alonso, who are currently more mature drivers (but IMO Leclerc has more pace), everyone else is a massive downgrade which will be evident next year.

[Brembo]

Great race by Russell finishing 9th just behind the butler, Bottas. No Merc 1,2 or even on the podium! What happened to " The Car?" Perez from last to 1st! I'm happy as hell for him. No Lewis no Merc. That's how it wound up. All the talk about areo, HP, and any other car tech, it's the pit stop that can and will make or break a drivers chances. No records in the 100s until next season!

[jgonzalesm6]

Great race by Russell finishing 9th just behind the butler, Bottas. No Merc 1,2 or even on the podium! What happened to " The Car?" Perez from last to 1st! I'm happy as hell for him. No Lewis no Merc. That's how it wound up. All the talk about areo, HP, and any other car tech, it's the pit stop that can and will make or break a drivers chances. No records in the 100s until next season!

THE CAR performed liked it should have these past 7 years. Russell's driving in the W11 prior to the double stack pit stop ***-up(Toto's words) was extraordinary WHICH debunks his Lewis-ness "all-time great driver" synopsis. Russell also made Bottas look ljust as he is.....clearly a number 2 driver who will not pressure his Lewis-ness.

[Brembo]

THE CAR performed liked it should have these past 7 years. Russell's driving in the W11 prior to the double stack pit stop ***-up(Toto's words) was extraordinary WHICH debunks his Lewis-ness "all-time great driver" synopsis. Russell also made Bottas look ljust as he is.....clearly a number 2 driver who will not pressure his Lewis-ness.

Don't forget Lewis won one with 3 tires.

[jgonzalesm6]

Don't forget Lewis won one with 3 tires.

Yes....I'm sure Russell given the same situation would have won the race as well.....as well as other drivers (Max, Leclerc, Norris, Ricciardo).

[stefa]

Just thinking... No conspiracy theory...
How come the best team in last 7 season, performing every race like well oiled machine, almost like robots, mess up big time in a race when there was no pressure at all?! Their driver comfortable won WDC, they as a team did the same with CWC, only competition they possibly had in this race was out in the first half of first lap, conditions ware perfect, lead over second best car was more than comfortable, their drivers ware literally cruising to the victory and than they made such mistake!?!
To me it is suspicious, at least....

[jgonzalesm6]

Just thinking... No conspiracy theory...
How come the best team in last 7 season, performing every race like well oiled machine, almost like robots, mess up big time in a race when there was no pressure at all?! Their driver comfortable won WDC, they as a team did the same with CWC, only competition they possibly had in this race was out in the first half of first lap, conditions ware perfect, lead over second best car was more than comfortable, their drivers ware literally cruising to the victory and than they made such mistake!?!
To me it is suspicious, at least....


Mercedes claims there was a communication error between Bono and the pit crew.......so take it for what its worth. Toto swore on national TV that it was a "complete f***-up"

[Brembo]

Just thinking... No conspiracy theory...
How come the best team in last 7 season, performing every race like well oiled machine, almost like robots, mess up big time in a race when there was no pressure at all?! Their driver comfortable won WDC, they as a team did the same with CWC, only competition they possibly had in this race was out in the first half of first lap, conditions ware perfect, lead over second best car was more than comfortable, their drivers ware literally cruising to the victory and than they made such mistake!?!
To me it is suspicious, at least....

Were any of the Merc pit crew guys wearing red uniforms? :rotfl Suspicious indeed. 87 laps flew by! I like the 200+ MPH straightaways! Perez deserves a ride next year.

[Silent Bob]

Surprised to see Leclerc getting the penalty, my first instinct was it was Perez's fault. However, great win for the Mexican, Redbull need to replace Albon with Perez. Albon is down i confidence, 2021 could easily get worse for him.

Russel, as expected did show some character. He has good future, and what about Lord Bottas? Waste of a seat, absolute trash, and pls don't compare him with Rubens. Webber, Rubens at least had backbones and showed occasional fights, Bottas has zero character

Same here. Thought Perez had left the opening and Leclerc went for it. Usually driver's won't close the door like that on starts. Even though Leclerc was a little eager I felt Perez' move was pretty harsh considering how many cars were fighting for spots.








How many times have we said this? At some point it starts becoming a concern.


Not sure. How many accidents has he caused off the line in his 40+ F1 starts?

[jgonzalesm6]

Not sure. How many accidents has he caused off the line in his 40+ F1 starts?

2 so far in 2020. Leclerc hit Stroll in 1 race. Leclerc hit Perez this last race. Both incidents were corner incidents and in both times Leclerc apologised.

[tpe]

Just thinking... No conspiracy theory...
How come the best team in last 7 season, performing every race like well oiled machine, almost like robots, mess up big time in a race when there was no pressure at all?! Their driver comfortable won WDC, they as a team did the same with CWC, only competition they possibly had in this race was out in the first half of first lap, conditions ware perfect, lead over second best car was more than comfortable, their drivers ware literally cruising to the victory and than they made such mistake!?!
To me it is suspicious, at least....

Like how a certain Italian driver went to Ferrari after a very strange Q in Spa?
Or how a certain team's garage went on fire under mysterious circumstances after a race win, coincided with the birthday of their founder?
Or how...

I stopped believing that F1 is a "sport" ages ago...

[JPZ]

Like how a certain Italian driver went to Ferrari after a very strange Q in Spa?
Or how a certain team's garage went on fire under mysterious circumstances after a race win, coincided with the birthday of their founder?
Or how...

I stopped believing that F1 is a "sport" ages ago...

Any other examples?

[Alonsomaniac]

Charles is making my life difficult.......I am a Ferrari fan living in Verstappen country........don't do it again Charlie! (but still, that qualifying lap....ooohh)

[FerrariF60]

Charles is making my life difficult.......I am a Ferrari fan living in Verstappen country........don't do it again Charlie! (but still, that qualifying lap....ooohh)

I like your comment about Charles...he made a dumb mistake....kind of like what Max used to do years back....lol

Anyways, about your signature....there’s no way this years prancing horse can outrun anyone that runs like the wind....this year our car has got a donkey in the back of it....

Hopefully next yers engine will be more powerful

[Silent Bob]

2 so far in 2020. Leclerc hit Stroll in 1 race. Leclerc hit Perez this last race. Both incidents were corner incidents and in both times Leclerc apologised.

Yup. And we used to call MAx Crashtappen. He turned out pretty good. Russel spun behind the safety car and once on the way to the grid if I remember correctly and he's OK. So point is, these young guys will makes mistakes. It sucks when it's one of our cars, but at least he has the speed to back up his mistakes and the humility to accept blame. I'm pretty sure he can overcome a few mistakes.

[paolo lalli]

Move on all ferrari fans the pros and cons of this dreadful season have been flogged beyond recognition rest in peace season 2020.

[MSC Fan]

Charles is making my life difficult.......I am a Ferrari fan living in Verstappen country........don't do it again Charlie! (but still, that qualifying lap....ooohh)

I rewatched the onboards on every start this year by Leclerc and it turns out that he was aggressive in every one of them bar, Silverstone and Turkey. It also turns out that he gained about 60 points all thanks to these moves he made on the opening lap. I think he understands the risks but still continued to do it because that's what earned him so many points. This year, Vettel has been a somewhat clean starter and had a very few incidents on lap 1 (except in Imola where he ruined Magnussen's race). If we hadn't taken the risk to promote him to Ferrari and retained Kimi, who is also a really clean driver, we likely wouldn't have crossed 50 points in the constructor's standings this year.

[wisepie]

The issue this year has been our lack of speed in the races, I understand Charles being aggressive at the start to try to make up the lack of power and get track position but it's always going to be futile when we are sitting ducks and the pit crew manage to screw up so often.:roll

[Brembo]

Russel as we all know was driving " The Car!!" The opinion here is the Merc car; not the driver is what did the record breaking. If Russel would have won the race and beat Bottas which looked like it could have happened but for the pit and puncture disaster; as so many fans here say any driver in that car would be a winner, I can't understand how Russel shot up to be among the top drivers possibly getting Bottas kicked out contract and all for next year. Claire for sure held on to him so as to make her deal to sell Williams secure. We all know what happened but ...he finished 9th behind Bottas, From 18th to1st! Perez won. Meanwhile Charles is doing all he can with his car and should and does get all my respect for his efforts. He could very well have been less aggressive these last races and just blame the car. We are lucky to have him!

[MSC Fan]

The issue this year has been our lack of speed in the races, I understand Charles being aggressive at the start to try to make up the lack of power and get track position but it's always going to be futile when we are sitting ducks and the pit crew manage to screw up so often.:roll

Those starts along with the qualifying helped him gain nearly 60 points he wouldn't have made otherwise. He isn't the type of driver to make the same mistake twice but this year's car is forcing him to. If he was calm and composed on the starting laps this year, Ferrari would've finished 7th in the constructor's with even Alpha Tauri being 50+ points ahead.

[JPZ]

Russel as we all know was driving " The Car!!" The opinion here is the Merc car; not the driver is what did the record breaking. If Russel would have won the race and beat Bottas which looked like it could have happened but for the pit and puncture disaster; as so many fans here say any driver in that car would be a winner, I can't understand how Russel shot up to be among the top drivers possibly getting Bottas kicked out contract and all for next year. Claire for sure held on to him so as to make her deal to sell Williams secure. We all know what happened but ...he finished 9th behind Bottas, From 18th to1st! Perez won. Meanwhile Charles is doing all he can with his car and should and does get all my respect for his efforts. He could very well have been less aggressive these last races and just blame the car. We are lucky to have him!

Yes, but everyone could see for themselves that his performance was superior to Bottas, his lower position was not due to any of his own actions. It's clear he would have won the race.

He was driving in a cockpit too small for him, had to wear a size smaller foot just to use the pedals and only had 2 days of testing to learn the new car and it's settings. Even in the race he was asking about buttons and settings on the steering wheel and was still faster.

The driver he was up against had a season of experience in the current car and several years in the team and the car was built for him.

[Brembo]

He was driving in a cockpit too small for him, had to wear a size smaller foot just to use the pedals and only had 2 days of testing to learn the new car and it's settings. Even in the race he was asking about buttons and settings on the steering wheel and was still faster.

The driver he was up against had a season of experience in the current car and several years in the team and the car was built for him.

Everything you mention here is true and as you say he was still faster and probably the winner if he didn't have the pit and puncture disaster; which only confirms what the majority of fans on this forum 100% believe any F-1 driver in that "Car" would have won that race and most every race they are in . With all that was against Russel not fitting in the cockpit, pushing wrong buttons, that car was still the fastest and up front ready to take him to the podium a winner.

[Alonsomaniac]

I like your comment about Charles...he made a dumb mistake....kind of like what Max used to do years back....lol

Anyways, about your signature....there’s no way this years prancing horse can outrun anyone that runs like the wind....this year our car has got a donkey in the back of it....

Hopefully next yers engine will be more powerful


The signature stays, just like my belief in Ferrari ;)

[Alonsomaniac]

I rewatched the onboards on every start this year by Leclerc and it turns out that he was aggressive in every one of them bar, Silverstone and Turkey. It also turns out that he gained about 60 points all thanks to these moves he made on the opening lap. I think he understands the risks but still continued to do it because that's what earned him so many points. This year, Vettel has been a somewhat clean starter and had a very few incidents on lap 1 (except in Imola where he ruined Magnussen's race). If we hadn't taken the risk to promote him to Ferrari and retained Kimi, who is also a really clean driver, we likely wouldn't have crossed 50 points in the constructor's standings this year.

I know very well how Charles got the points he has, I like him for his way of driving. He is a real old-fashioned racer and that's great. I said: "Don't do it again Charlie!" because I live in the Netherlands an d we have a lot of Verstappen hooligans....eh fans over here. They were not very amused......... It wasn't meant as a serious comment though, I hope he will be just as agressive as always this weekend.

[ntukza]

Same here. Thought Perez had left the opening and Leclerc went for it. Usually driver's won't close the door like that on starts. Even though Leclerc was a little eager I felt Perez' move was pretty harsh considering how many cars were fighting for spots.

Replays show that Perez left more than enough space.


Not sure. How many accidents has he caused off the line in his 40+ F1 starts?

Touché

[Brembo]

Charles is a clean legit driver. Aggressive when he has to be . He's no way as bad as the past unnecessary " Hard Racing" drivers.

[Yolanda Rays]

this scene looks like in dream