2021 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, May 07 - 09

[tpe]

Let's start...

[tpe]

My main concerns this week
1. Will we use the new floor and if not why not.
2. Will they be able to grab 2 positions in the race between 3-6?

This race will reflect the true pace of Ferrari.

[FerrariF60]

according to motorsport.it, in Spain Ferrari will introduce a new diffuser and a different setup of the rear suspension to try to reduce the wear of the tyres, that was the big problem in Portimao race.

we'll see if it's actually true and if will help us with tire wear....as we're chewing through them like bubble gum......

[jgonzalesm6]

No sense in comparing last year's times or the year before times to this year's times......T10 has changed, so it makes for a faster turn.

[JacKy]

From ms it

Ferrari: no modified bottom, but a different diffuser

On the SF21 that will be seen in the Spanish GP there will be no bottom with six fins seen in free practice in Portugal. The solution is not suitable for the Catalan circuit and will be seen again on other tracks more similar to Portimao, but Ferrari will bring to Barcelona an update to the rear extractor and a different adjustment of the rear suspension in an attempt to safeguard the duration of the Pirelli tires that have gone into crisis. in the Algarve.

[Brembo]

If all cars are still in one piece after the 1st 3 laps; " Mainly Max " then all the updates; tires; pits and so on will count. Who wins in Spain has been a big deal WDC WCC wise. Pole is not a lock on the win anymore. I'm as anxious to see Mick finish ahead of Russell as much as who ever wins the race.

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "We have also improved significantly in aerodynamics, but we are not yet at the level of the two top teams. Here, our hands were partly tied because of the homologation. Most of the areas were closed."

Who agreed for Homologation :Hmm isn’t he part of it?

Binotto: "The majority of our team is already working on the 2022 car. But that doesn't mean that there are no more development steps on the 2021 car. But there is no fixed plan for the development. If we think of something, it will be done."

So next year will see the true reflection. Hmmm waiting

[FerrariF60]

Binotto: "We have also improved significantly in aerodynamics, but we are not yet at the level of the two top teams. Here, our hands were partly tied because of the homologation. Most of the areas were closed."

Who agreed for Homologation :Hmm isn’t he part of it?

Binotto: "The majority of our team is already working on the 2022 car. But that doesn't mean that there are no more development steps on the 2021 car. But there is no fixed plan for the development. If we think of something, it will be done."

So next year will see the true reflection. Hmmm waiting

We’ve all been waiting for Ferrari to build a rocket and dominate the grid since 2009....hasn’t happened yet...so I’m not gonna get too hyped yet for next years rules...someone will get it spot on....we’ll see

[jgonzalesm6]

Andreas Seidl confirmed to RTL that McLaren will test some new upgrades on Friday (they already brought upgrades in Portimão, which worked, now that‘s the next part).



Helmut Marko to RTL: "Where we still lag a bit behind Mercedes is on the engine side, not on the combustion engine but in the overall package. When Mercedes charges their battery and then releases all the power, they seem to have more horsepower than we do."




AMuS

Where do you still see weaknesses?

Binotto: "We still lack a bit of engine power, although we have made very good progress there. Both in qualifying and in the race. That can make us vulnerable in a battle in the race."

[330 p4]

So theres a news story saying the new floor tested last Friday will not be used in Spain. They will try a high of rear wing with a view to using it in the next race in Monaco plus they have some rear suspension set up changes to reduce the 3ccessive tyre wear they have suffered from this season.

[WS6TransAm01]

We all know how it will turn out, but I'm hoping for a repeat of 2016. Mercs take each other out, Fish-Lips wins, Lando and Charles on the podium.


We’ve all been waiting for Ferrari to build a rocket and dominate the grid since 2009....hasn’t happened yet...so I’m not gonna get too hyped yet for next years rules...someone will get it spot on....we’ll see

The chances of that someone being Ferrari are slim to none, unfortunately.

[FerrariF60]

We all know how it will turn out, but I'm hoping for a repeat of 2016. Mercs take each other out, Fish-Lips wins, Lando and Charles on the podium.



The chances of that someone being Ferrari are slim to none, unfortunately.

never know.....maybe the rumors are gonna start going around again that Rory Byrne is working relentelelsy on the new reg car.....then again so is Newey....and he gets things right more often then not

[paolo lalli]

Binotto should say we are not at the level of the top4 teams never mind the top2.Hard work binotto and be consistent with the work and the personel at ferrari this paves the way to success.As was once said perfect practice makes perfect.

[Silent Bob]

never know.....maybe the rumors are gonna start going around again that Rory Byrne is working relentelelsy on the new reg car.....then again so is Newey....and he gets things right more often then not

He didn't in 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019.

[tpe]

Do they have a new diffuser?

[Keyser Soze]

Not bad with M tyres on FP1.
Let's see our performance with Softs.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/jZ3r29Y.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXvFPTfBug&feature=youtu.be

[WS6TransAm01]

Remember when by the time FP1 ended there would have been like 7 pages of comments on this type of thread?

Sad.

[330 p4]

Remember when by the time FP1 ended there would have been like 7 pages of comments on this type of thread?

Sad.

Worse as most the world are working from home so traffic should be up.

FP1 was promising laptime wise on Mediums. Still Merc engines take a step up by Saturday so McLaren and Merc will be much faster tomorrow.

[tifosi1993]

Long run: Sainz very steady on softs, Leclerc's looking very quick.

[WS6TransAm01]

I feel so sorry for Charles... so much talent, such a waste.

[Aziz]

I feel so sorry for Charles... so much talent, such a waste.

He will be our and Ferraris champion

[JacKy]

Leclerc With Soft
1.22:953
1.23.508

Leclerc With Medium
1:23:532
1:23:626
1:23:057
1:23:330
1:23:574
1:24:317

[JacKy]

Both Mercedes with Mediums

1.22.700-1.23.000

Both Redbull with Softs

1.23.500~

[stefa]

I know it is only Friday, but it is nice to see CL on 3rd spot with only +0.165 :-D

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/8t240vz.jpg

[PURE PASSION]

are we good at S3 after SO many years ???!!!!! I'll wait for Q and the race to confirm it ,but if its true ,it will be like a small miracle for us !!!:-D

[JacKy]

https://i.imgur.com/PbeSXvf.png

Not sure about if we run on little bit lower fuel but pace look good.

[JacKy]

are we good at S3 after SO many years ???!!!!! I'll wait for Q and the race to confirm it ,but if its true ,it will be like a small miracle for us !!!:-D

Yeah Finally!!! We always lose time at Sector 3 of Spain and Hungary. :-(

[tifosi1993]

I don't think I've ever seen Ferrari setting fastest time in the sector 3 in Spain until today, whether it's practice or qualifying. I don't believe Ferrari to be the 2nd fastest car, but Lec's sector 3 time again underlining how good the SF21 is in corners.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/PbeSXvf.png

Not sure about if we run on little bit lower fuel but pace look good.

Leclerc's stint on mediums:

1:23.532
1:23.626
1:23.057
1:23.330
1:23.574
1:24.317
1:29.361
1:23.307

[tifosi1993]

Sainz's stint on softs:

1:24.536
1:24.319
1:24.225
1:24.195
1:24.135
1:24.356
1:24.141
1:24.019
1:27.127
1:24.182
1:24.167

Mediums:

1:23.133

[JacKy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0yofh8X0AA1oUl?format=png&name=medium

[tifosi1993]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0yofh8X0AA1oUl?format=png&name=medium

Few lap times are missing. Ex: Sainz pitted right at the end of FP2 and did one lap on mediums.

[PURE PASSION]

Τhe Alpines ,after Portimao ,here also looking quite good !!! Its like they solve their problems ???!!!

[nani_s23]

are we good at S3 after SO many years ???!!!!! I'll wait for Q and the race to confirm it ,but if its true ,it will be like a small miracle for us !!!:-D

Do you think everything is resolved :-)

Wait for the quali...!!

[elnano14]

Yeah Finally!!! We always lose time at Sector 3 of Spain and Hungary. :-(

And Sochi. I remember during 2018-2019 we were always on par (or even faster) than the Mercs throughout the first 2 sectors, yet we lost about 4 or 5 tenth in the last sector alone lol

[PURE PASSION]

Do you think everything is resolved :-)

Wait for the quali...!!
I said it myself . I'll wait for Q and the race to confirm it. This year we have very good Fridays but use to struggle later on especialy on the race pace. In Q we usually confirm our pace but only with a good lap from one of our drivers!!!

[330 p4]

I said it myself . I'll wait for Q and the race to confirm it. This year we have very good Fridays but use to struggle later on especialy on the race pace. In Q we usually confirm our pace but only with a good lap from one of our drivers!!!

That's due to tyre wear. This weekend they apparently have a set up change on the rear suspension so maybe they can be best of the rest at the end of the race after the 2 fastest teams.

[FerrariF60]

I don't think I've ever seen Ferrari setting fastest time in the sector 3 in Spain until today, whether it's practice or qualifying. I don't believe Ferrari to be the 2nd fastest car, but Lec's sector 3 time again underlining how good the SF21 is in corners.

ONLY if we had another 15-20HP more in that donkey of the engine.....hopefully it will come next year before the FULL FREEZE comes into effect

[stefa]

ONLY if we had another 15-20HP more in that donkey.....hopefully it will come next year before the FULL FREEZE comes into effect

How stupid that sounds, FULL FREEZE, in a pinnacle of motor sport! :crazy

[FerrariF60]

How stupid that sounds, FULL FREEZE, in a pinnacle of motor sport! :crazy

yeah, it sounds totally stupid.....but hey, if HOnda was able to do it....Honda, common....then Ferrari with all its DEEP pockets can do it....and all this money invested to desigin a split turbo like Merc and Honda for another 4 years?????? as from 2025 the FIA suposedly wants to simplify these hybrid power units adn only have some sort of KERS (like in 2009) but more powerful and get rid of the MGUH....which the merc have pioneered it from the beginning.

[FerrariF60]

I don't think I've ever seen Ferrari setting fastest time in the sector 3 in Spain until today, whether it's practice or qualifying. I don't believe Ferrari to be the 2nd fastest car, but Lec's sector 3 time again underlining how good the SF21 is in corners.

Don’t forget that T11 or was it T10 that was modified this year , so it’s more of a mid speed corner compared to what it us3d to be, so maybe we’re gaining time there compared to in the past.....but yeah we’re looking more promising all in all in S3 regardless as to previous years....

Only if we had an extra 15-20 more ponies....oh well, next year I’m sure we’ll have a strong engine

[Keyser Soze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D36FYGsB8k

[WS6TransAm01]

are we good at S3 after SO many years ???!!!!! I'll wait for Q and the race to confirm it ,but if its true ,it will be like a small miracle for us !!!:-D

Not sure we can say the improvement in S3 is car because they reprofiled T10 so may it no longer effects Ferrari's weaknesses as much? Not sure.

[darkchild]

Not sure we can say the improvement in S3 is car because they reprofiled T10 so may it no longer effects Ferrari's weaknesses as much? Not sure.
Actually we lost most time in chicane, not T10.

[Jax]

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-impresses-in-speed-trap-in-spain-after-first-practice-sessions/

[paolo lalli]

Full freeze was to stop ferrari engine.looks like another pork knuckle meal again yuk.

[tpe]

I try to see how I feel about Merc.
My gut feeling is that Toto laugh out loud. They played the whole field again, They have the right people and the right tools to build fast cars. They only problem is how to tune them. Sometimes they get it right from the very beginning, some others they need some more time.

As for us, I hold my horses. Based on the previous 3 races.I would be very happy with a 5th and 6th on the grid, but I cannot see that. So, 6-7 is the best I hope for.

[FerrariF60]

Full freeze was to stop ferrari engine.looks like another pork knuckle meal again yuk.

Stop Ferrari engine????? We had a bad engine last year, what you talking about??
If yiu mean 2019 engine, then yes, they stopped us because we cheated....or more politically correct, we use grey areas, pushed the envelope too much and Merc and red bull did not like the idea....

Let’s hope next year Ferrari builds a beast of an engine before the full freeze

[Keyser Soze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzxc6iXhncQ

[paolo lalli]

That's right ferrari had grey areas to advanced for the stonzi so stop them.Mercedes have light grey areas so it's alright.What a load of crap.

[gump1480]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzxc6iXhncQ

Looks planted !! Hopefully we are not running too light. It looks very close again with the Mclaren, Alpine and AlphaTauri. Even Vettel looking good this weekend. Hopefully we lock out row 3.

[Cavallino]

Does anyone else notice how little air time the Ferraris get? I barely saw Leclerc and he did that amazing lap.

[paolo lalli]

Puppet show will end 2021RIP

[JacKy]

Looking good!! 14 Drivers in 1.0 Sec...

https://i.imgur.com/W1CKfRx.gif

[patrese86]

In terms of cornering we are right up there.

[gump1480]

Did Lando use Medium or Softs for his laptime ?

[JacKy]

Damn! add this car +20-25hp . we would've fight for win for sure on some circuit

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/wOME73X.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Field is very congested. A tenth or two will make all the difference. Leclerc 3 tenths slower in the sector 3 today compared to his yesterday FP2 time. Expect more from him and Ferrari in qualifying. Sainz is impressive as always.

[tifosi1993]

Did Lando use Medium or Softs for his laptime ?

Softs. Everyone did their best time on softs.

[gump1480]

https://i.imgur.com/wOME73X.jpg

Did we lose our S3 pace from yesterday ? I just hope grid position stays the same...come Q3 :)

[JacKy]

Did we lose our S3 pace from yesterday ? I just hope grid position stays the same...come Q3 :)

In my opinion NO! It is a bit tricky to get best time of Sector 3 . You can get 0.2 sec better time or lose 0.2 by little touches..

[Tifoso Svedese]

I hope that P3 is possible. Depends on whether the Bottler screws up or not I suppose.

[Keyser Soze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaFZ-40zHHU

[jgonzalesm6]

Turn the modes up and trim the gas levels.

Let's see who's got what???

[KimiBot]

Home race for Carlos, maybe he can get some extra boost.

[ferrari1.8t]

10 minute delay in Q, they need to repair the barrier.

[jgonzalesm6]

Home race for Carlos, maybe he can get some extra boost.

and for Alonso as well.

[KimiBot]

Lots of talk in media about kicking out Bottas, so I guess Mercedes lets him win this weekend. :-D

[ferrari1.8t]

Lots of talk in media about kicking out Bottas, so I guess Mercedes lets him win this weekend. :-D

Lol never happen. Didn’t he have a “sensor issue” last weekend, and a slow pit the weekend before? lol he’s useless in that second Mercedes, but Merc doesn’t do him any favours....

[Keyser Soze]

Only one second difference from P1 to P17 !!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Q1 - NOR, BOT, LEC!

[patrese86]

I didn't mind Tsunoda at first but gradually starting to dislike his behaviour over the radio so happy to see him miss out on Q2

[PURE PASSION]

Αgain Norris is faster!!!
Why we run so aggressive on FPs!!!!!!!??????

[nani_s23]

Αgain Norris is faster!!!
Why we run so aggressive on FPs!!!!!!!??????

Even Gasly looks faster...!! Interesting q2 & Q3 ahead

[Keyser Soze]

Leclerc just used a fresh set of softs. Hope we do not loose performance in Q3.

[patrese86]

Αgain Norris is faster!!!
Why we run so aggressive on FPs!!!!!!!??????
We don't.

McLaren just run with less wing with Norris, hence why he is so much quicker than Riccardo in a straight line and then he's still able to find the performance in the corners.

[jgonzalesm6]

Αgain Norris is faster!!!
Why we run so aggressive on FPs!!!!!!!??????

Your shocked??? This has been the business with FP's and Qualifying.

[Ferrarichamp]

and for Alonso as well.

and Ocon too in a way, being of Spanish descent.

[PURE PASSION]

Your shocked??? This has been the business with FP's and Qualifying.
I know. Just wondering we they keep doing it???!!!

[gump1480]

We don't.

McLaren just run with less wing with Norris, hence why he is so much quicker than Riccardo in a straight line and then he's still able to find the performance in the corners.

Whatever it is ...come Saturday Norris is always faster than us :(

[Keyser Soze]

Verst did a 1:16.922 !!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Wow, VER half a second a head of BOT!

[ferrari1.8t]

Sky digging for excuses why Ham is 7 tenths back from VER. “saving tires” for the race. These fanboys make me sick.

[Keyser Soze]

Now we see the true performance of Reds and Mercs....

[nani_s23]

False alarm by yesterday Sector 3 times :-P from Ferrari.

I’ve said wait for the quali when other teams turn up their engines.

[gump1480]

False alarm by yesterday Sector 3 times :-P from Ferrari.

I’ve said wait for the quali when other teams turn up their engines.

Exactly...what I don't understand is what do we gain by this false sense of pace by running light/higher engine modes during FPs.

[patrese86]

We know how it is when Mercedes and Red Bull turn it up anyway so we know the fight is just with McLaren for us and not further up than that. In the medium speed corners we are right there though we just don't have th power but we know that from day one.

[elnano14]

We're losing to Lando again aren't we ? ..

[jgonzalesm6]

Exactly...what I don't understand is what do we gain by this false sense of pace by running light/higher engine modes during FPs.

I'm not false-sified by it. I never look at FP times. Qualifying is where it's at regardless of the team.

[Ferrarichamp]

it's as if Lando's engine is equipped with the Merc party mode, but they forgot to install it on Daniel's car.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Suddenly dreadful again... MEH.

[patrese86]

A good Q2. Very close between us, McLaren, Alpine and AM

[jgonzalesm6]

it's as if Lando's engine is equipped with the Merc party mode, but they forgot to install it on Daniel's car.

Ricciardo is still acclimating to the new car.....he's coming around.

[nani_s23]

A good Q2. Very close between us, McLaren, Alpine and AM

Mclaren in the hands of Lando who is pulling off good finishes ahead of Ferrari.

[Nick Singer]

A good Q2. Very close between us, McLaren, Alpine and AM

How depressing is that?

[PURE PASSION]

I see it 6 to 8 in Q3

[Rishu]

Ricciardo is still acclimating to the new car.....he's coming around.

I dread say Ricciardo has fight in his hands, Lando looks like an A lister

[nani_s23]

I see it 6 to 8 in Q3

5,6,7 any of these is possible.

[nani_s23]

I dread say Ricciardo has fight in his hands, Lando looks like an A lister

Yup it’s not easy for DR.

[jgonzalesm6]

I dread say Ricciardo has fight in his hands, Lando looks like an A lister

agreed. Ricciardo better up his A-game the rest of the year against Norris.

[patrese86]

How depressing is that?

Why? The only two teams above us are Mercedes and Red Bull and we knew that would be the case before the season started. We don't have a God given right to be first or second or best of the rest, McLaren and Alpine are working hard just like us to find the performance required to be that third best team. I don't even acknowledge RBR and Mercedes because we aren't even in the same league. I'm more concentrated on this mini battle outside of that, that's the only way to measure our performance this season and we know after today and tomorrow we won't be bringing much more to the car, still this season is better than last and the noises from the drivers are positive.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Why? The only two teams above us are Mercedes and Red Bull and we knew that would be the case before the season started. We don't have a God given right to be first or second or best of the rest, McLaren and Alpine are working hard just like us to find the performance required to be that third best team. I don't even acknowledge RBR and Mercedes because we aren't even in the same league. I'm more concentrated on this mini battle outside of that, that's the only way to measure our performance this season and we know after today and tomorrow we won't be bringing much more to the car, still this season is better than last and the noises from the drivers are positive.

Losing to Alpine is unacceptable. No ifs or buts about it.

[nani_s23]

Now Ocon is ahead of us.

[PURE PASSION]

As I said 6-8
Norris didn't do a good lap so he's gonna be ahead on the 2nd run. The 17,7s looks the top foe us

[jgonzalesm6]

, still this season is better than last and the noises from the drivers are positive.

Of course this season is better than last season......think about it.

[patrese86]

Losing to Alpine is unacceptable. No ifs or buts about it.

We haven't even completed qualifying or had the race yet.

[patrese86]

Of course this season is better than last season......think about it.

You think about it. Quite honestly not alot of thinking goes on round here, that's becoming evident. You just want to stick the knife in at every opportunity. Your completely irrational and want things to magically fix themselves overnight.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Merci Charles.

[Keyser Soze]

P4 and P6!!!!

[JChan]

Am I right P4 for LEC 3 out of 4 races?

[nani_s23]

Only leclerc improved in the final shoot out. He was on used set of softs earlier part of Q3.

[Tifoso Svedese]

You think about it. Quite honestly not alot of thinking goes on round here, that's becoming evident. You just want to stick the knife in at every opportunity. Your completely irrational and want things to magically fix themselves overnight.

They would if the maFIA gave us the 2019 engine back. Too scary for the führer and the primadonna to handle that though.

[patrese86]

Good performance from Charles when many of the other drivers couldn't improve on there final runs.

[nani_s23]

Good that we got 1 car ahead of Alphine & other car ahead of Norris.

Now we bank on race pace. Last time Alphine had a strong race pace over us.

[jgonzalesm6]

You think about it. Quite honestly not alot of thinking goes on round here, that's becoming evident. You just want to stick the knife in at every opportunity. Your completely irrational and want things to magically fix themselves overnight.

huh??? Last season(2020) Ferrari was "penalized" for cheating and ended the season in 6th place.

[KimiBot]

Well done Charles and congrats to Sir Lewis 100 poles.

[PURE PASSION]

So 4th. Good result not a very good performance!!! To need a perfect lap to be ahead of Ocon ,we'll I don't like it.

[Ferrarichamp]

good job Leclerc 2nd row. I hope the wingman doesn't hold him up.

[JChan]

4th 4th 8th 4th for LEC for 4 Quali, 6th 4th 6th for Race..

[Keyser Soze]

Mon petit Charles est toujours là!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Good that we got 1 car ahead of Alphine & other car ahead of Norris.

Now we bank on race pace. Last time Alphine had a strong race pace over us.

yep, now comes race pace.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well done Charles and congrats to Sir Lewis 100 poles.

:-E

[nani_s23]

So 4th. Good result not a very good performance!!! To need a perfect lap to be ahead of Ocon ,we'll I don't like it.

It’s just leclerc who is keeping Ferrari in the quali game that’s it.

[patrese86]

We're losing to Lando again aren't we ? ..


Suddenly dreadful again... MEH.


I see it 6 to 8 in Q3


Losing to Alpine is unacceptable. No ifs or buts about it.


Now Ocon is ahead of us.


As I said 6-8
Norris didn't do a good lap so he's gonna be ahead on the 2nd run. The 17,7s looks the top foe us


So 4th. Good result not a very good performance!!! To need a perfect lap to be ahead of Ocon ,we'll I don't like it.

Wow.

[elnano14]

Good that we got 1 car ahead of Alphine & other car ahead of Norris.

Now we bank on race pace. Last time Alphine had a strong race pace over us.

Only Alonso had strong pace at the very end of the race, Leclerc's pace was the same as Lando and faster than Ocon, who was only faster than Sainz due to tyre difference

[RicRac]

Something is up with that Mercedes engine... They have pulled the wool over everyone's eyes

[nani_s23]

Max do have the car this season to compete against Mercs. Given his talent, he should nail this season with a title, else I would be surprised.

On the other side, if Lewis wins this season against a fast Max then I definitely acknowledge him as one of best but not a legend.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/jYgMZo2.jpg

[Ferrarichamp]

I hope that if by some small miracle Charles wins the race, they won't play the French national anthem instead of the Monegasque, which has happened before :lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Something is up with that Mercedes engine... They have pulled the wool over everyone's eyes

Where have you been? It's been like this with Mercedes since 2014.

[nani_s23]

Only Alonso had strong pace at the very end of the race, Leclerc's pace was the same as Lando and faster than Ocon, who was only faster than Sainz due to tyre difference

Lando was managing his tyres as he’s on the same set of tyres where Sainz was too. But the offset happened quickly on Sainz tyres compared to Lando. On the other hand, leclerc was on more durable tyres which is for long game but still it didn’t yield any position which we were looking for.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc....I don't know what else I can say. This guy just pulls out the magic lap race after race. Leclerc is a generational talent, come on Ferrari, give this kid the car he deserves. He'll obliterate the field.

Well done to Sainz. Having two young and reliable drivers is Ferrari's biggest strength.

[nani_s23]

We badly need couple of podiums to finish or have some buffer over mclaren. As the next coming races it’s more about Engine performance.

[RicRac]

Where have you been? It's been like this with Mercedes since 2014.

Yeah, no **** Sherlock! :rotfl

[KimiBot]

Difficult track to overtake? Maybe Charles can keep 4th place.

[jgonzalesm6]

Difficult track to overtake? Maybe Charles can keep 4th place.

The only place to overtake will be on the straight. Race pace will be Ferrari's downfall IF they cannot keep the race pace.

[Ferrarichamp]

hopefully Charles gets ahead of Bot at the start.

[20000rpm]

Well, I was hoping for 5th and 6th but 4th is a gift for us.
Anyone still thinking Merc are at a disadvantage due to low rake and crap.. you can seeing Toto laughing his @ss off behind that mask!! It was a mere ********.

[tifosi1993]

Las year we were 1.5 seconds off the pace. This year it's 0.7 seconds. And if we compare ultimate pace, only 5 tenths away. Huge improvement, while still lacking that extra engine horse power.

[458 Italia]

100? yuck. 7807

[jgonzalesm6]

Las year we were 1.5 seconds off the pace. This year it's 0.7 seconds. And if we compare ultimate pace, only 5 tenths away. Huge improvement, while still lacking that extra engine horse power.

I don't get why some are comparing last year(2020) to this year. Now 2019, or 2018 and maybe 2017 would be a good comparison.

[Keyser Soze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNIEp2pYO9o

[tifosi1993]

I don't get why some are comparing last year(2020) to this year. Now 2019, or 2018 and maybe 2017 would be a good comparison.

Why not go way backward and include year 2000 as well?

[nani_s23]

I don't get why some are comparing last year(2020) to this year. Now 2019, or 2018 and maybe 2017 would be a good comparison.

Yes :thumb

[nani_s23]

The only place to overtake will be on the straight. Race pace will be Ferrari's downfall IF they cannot keep the race pace.

Yup if cars behind have a good race pace over Leclerc then possibility of over or undercut during pit stops.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why not go way backward and include year 2000 as well?

please....now your being facetious.

[PURE PASSION]

Leclerc....I don't know what else I can say. This guy just pulls out the magic lap race after race. Leclerc is a generational talent, come on Ferrari, give this kid the car he deserves. He'll obliterate the field.

Well done to Sainz. Having two young and reliable drivers is Ferrari's biggest strength.
The only thing that I agree 110% with Binotto. It's the 1st time after SO many years that we have 2 drivers to rely on!!!!

[tifosi1993]

please....now your being facetious.

Am I? I'm comparing last year's car with this year because this year's car is based on last year's car.....like every other 2021 F1 cars. So it's a sensible comparison.

[jgonzalesm6]

Am I? I'm comparing last year's car with this year because this year's car is based on last year's car.....like every other 2021 F1 cars. So it's a sensible comparison.

OMG!!!! Really!!!! Even after the pandemic and the FIA putting a 2nd fuel flow sensor hampering Ferrari's performance. If that's your basis, then go right ahead but the results are going to be "overwhelming." One can even say," What great performance we've had this year over last year!!!!"....which is true but undermining the real truth as to why that is.

Give me a break.

Try comparing the overall race pace of 2019, 2018, and 2017 to 2021 against Mercedes. How did Ferrari do in those years compared to Mercedes?? Was Ferrari a minute behind during the race?? IF NOT, then why is'nt Ferrari using that engine???

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles Leclerc: Yeah.. happy with today. I don't think there was much more we could do in terms of position. In terms of time maybe a bit more in the last sector I didn't manage to put everything together but apart from that very satisfied today.

Leclerc: Anything is possible, but realistically it's going to be very difficult. In normal conditions I don't think we can keep that third place in case we get there at one point.

Leclerc: The goal is to extract the maximum from the car and if that is third is the best we can do then it's third. We need to try and take as much points as possible.

[tifosi1993]

OMG!!!! Really!!!! Even after the pandemic and the FIA putting a 2nd fuel flow sensor hampering Ferrari's performance. If that's your basis, then go right ahead but the results are going to be "overwhelming." One can even say," What great performance we've had this year over last year!!!!"....which is true but undermining the real truth as to why that is.

Give me a break.

Try comparing the overall race pace of 2019, 2018, and 2017 to 2021 against Mercedes. How did Ferrari do in those years compared to Mercedes?? Was Ferrari a minute behind during the race?? IF NOT, then why is'nt Ferrari using that engine???

Calm down and got outside to cool your head off.

I will repeat again, this year's car is based on last year's car. And it's not just Ferrari, everyone else designed their current car based on their last year's car. The token system and 2022 rules meant that designing a brand new car and pour resource into it simply not going to worth it.

2017-2018 cars are aerodynamically different. Have you already forgotten the FW rule of 2019 and this year's rule regarding the floor? And in case if you're still hellbent on comparing this year's car with cars from 17 or 18, then why not compare it with the F2004 as well when you're at it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Calm down and got outside to cool your head off.

I will repeat again, this year's car is based on last year's car. And it's not just Ferrari, everyone else designed their current car based on their last year's car. The token system and 2022 rules meant that designing a brand new car and pour resource into it simply not going to worth it. .

Yes, but the other teams were'nt hampered like Ferrari due to the pandemic in Italy and an FIA regulation sensor that hampered the other teams performance.


2017-2018 cars are aerodynamically different. Have you already forgotten the FW rule of 2019 and this year's rule regarding the floor? And in case if you're still hellbent on comparing this year's car with cars from 17 or 18, then why not compare it with the F2004 as well when you're at it.

Mclaren and Redbull have move forward due to the engine....regardless of the floor rule. Alpine, aka Renault, have look to move forward as well regardless of the floor rule. So to me, when comparing 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021, Mclaren, Redbull and possibly Renault have made advances in the PU dept......except for Ferrari.

[tifosi1993]

Yes, but the other teams were'nt hampered like Ferrari due to the pandemic in Italy and an FIA regulation sensor that hampered the other teams performance.

I don't get your arguments. I know what happened in Italy and how it affected Ferrari. All I said that Ferrari made a huge improvement this year. In case it's still not clear, I was praising Ferrari's effort.


Mclaren and Redbull have move forward due to the engine....regardless of the floor rule. Alpine, aka Renault, have look to move forward as well regardless of the floor rule. So to me, when comparing 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021, Mclaren, Redbull and possibly Renault have made advances in the PU dept......except for Ferrari.

Mclaren and Red Bull don't make engines. And this year's Ferrari engine is at worst, 15 HP less than the Merc and Honda. Which is another huge improvement from Ferrari. And speaking of moving forward, Ferrari made the biggest jump interms of performance.

This year's car SF21 and last year's SF1000 both share the same monocoque. So when comparing performance, I'm always going to compare current car with last year's car. Comparing it with 2017-2018 cars or comparing this year's engine with 2018-2019 Ferrari engine is entirely meaningless and akin to comparing RTX 3080 with GTX 1660.

[tpe]

What I know is that we are 0.8 behind pole.
Which sounds more reasonable than the previous 3 races.
Let's hope for a podium, nor possible, but you never know

[jgonzalesm6]

I don't get your arguments. I know what happened in Italy and how it affected Ferrari. All I said that Ferrari made a huge improvement this year. In case it's still not clear, I was praising Ferrari's effort.



Mclaren and Red Bull don't make engines. And this year's Ferrari engine is at worst, 15 HP less than the Merc and Honda. Which is another huge improvement from Ferrari. And speaking of moving forward, Ferrari made the biggest jump interms of performance.

This year's car SF21 and last year's SF1000 both share the same monocoque. So when comparing performance, I'm always going to compare current car with last year's car. Comparing it with 2017-2018 cars or comparing this year's engine with 2018-2019 Ferrari engine is entirely meaningless and akin to comparing RTX 3080 with GTX 1660.

Unbelievable. I don't get this logic at all.

Ferrari is ending this era worse than they started. I mean, you go from being 2nd place in the WCC rankings for so many years to dropping 6th place in 2020 and possibly 3rd but a more comfortable 4th in 2021.....provided Alpine does'nt up their game.

Mclaren and RedBull don't make their own engines, that we all know but Mclaren is currently beating Ferrari in the WCC rankings with less staff and a far less budget than Ferrari. RedBull and Mclaren have stepped their game and ending the era higher than Ferrari.

[Tifoso Svedese]

There is a chance to stay in fourth and actually maybe even pull away considering I believe Ocon overachieved today. Then, both Norris and Pérez will be stuck in traffic in a sense. The latter could definitely be a threat later on but with a clean start and a decent journey to the flag I believe keeping P4/P6 or maybe P7 for Carlos should be quite realistic. Hopefully something happens ahead (please make it #44) so a gift podium could be had.

What I'm disappointed with is that we should be within 0.5 s of pole on this very track. Hugely discouraging.

[wisepie]

100? yuck. 7807

Quite so, but Charles will one day replace him as the leader of the pack, if there's any justice. Ferrari had better get their finger out. P4 and P6 for our boys is a good showing but our lack of straight-line speed and tyre wear are worrying, we'll see. A podium isn't impossible.:pray

[nani_s23]

Unbelievable. I don't get this logic at all.

Ferrari is ending this era worse than they started. I mean, you go from being 2nd place in the WCC rankings for so many years to dropping 6th place in 2020 and possibly 3rd but a more comfortable 4th in 2021.....provided Alpine does'nt up their game.

Mclaren and RedBull don't make their own engines, that we all know but Mclaren is currently beating Ferrari in the WCC rankings with less staff and a far less budget than Ferrari. RedBull and Mclaren have stepped their game and ending the era higher than Ferrari.

My suggestion leave the discussion because we don’t get his logics & even if we do so he calls us as an Anti-Ferrari etc based on my experience & couple of others as well.

Let’s see how the race shapes up tomorrow. :thumb

[tifosi1993]

Unbelievable. I don't get this logic at all.

Ferrari is ending this era worse than they started. I mean, you go from being 2nd place in the WCC rankings for so many years to dropping 6th place in 2020 and possibly 3rd but a more comfortable 4th in 2021.....provided Alpine does'nt up their game.

Mclaren and RedBull don't make their own engines, that we all know but Mclaren is currently beating Ferrari in the WCC rankings with less staff and a far less budget than Ferrari. RedBull and Mclaren have stepped their game and ending the era higher than Ferrari.

Logic??? I was talking about today's Spanish GP qualifying and how big of an improvement Ferrari made this year compared to last year.
Bringing up 2017 or whatever is entirely pointless.
Everyone apart Mercedes are losers in this era. But Ferrari got real close. Too bad our then lineup and our "star" driver was absolutely mediocre against someone like Hamilton.

If you're not happy Ferrari's improvement this year then don't be. But bringing up 2017 or whatever year in Spain 2021 qualifying discussion is meaningless. You're better than the likes of Chinmay or the Nani guy so don't derail this thread with off-topic discussion.

[paneristi]

This is what called mismanagement

Unbelievable. I don't get this logic at all.

Ferrari is ending this era worse than they started. I mean, you go from being 2nd place in the WCC rankings for so many years to dropping 6th place in 2020 and possibly 3rd but a more comfortable 4th in 2021.....provided Alpine does'nt up their game.

Mclaren and RedBull don't make their own engines, that we all know but Mclaren is currently beating Ferrari in the WCC rankings with less staff and a far less budget than Ferrari. RedBull and Mclaren have stepped their game and ending the era higher than Ferrari.

[nani_s23]

This is what called mismanagement

I would also call politics

[tifosi1993]

There is a chance to stay in fourth and actually maybe even pull away considering I believe Ocon overachieved today. Then, both Norris and Pérez will be stuck in traffic in a sense. The latter could definitely be a threat later on but with a clean start and a decent journey to the flag I believe keeping P4/P6 or maybe P7 for Carlos should be quite realistic. Hopefully something happens ahead (please make it #44) so a gift podium could be had.

What I'm disappointed with is that we should be within 0.5 s of pole on this very track. Hugely discouraging.

We're 5 tenths away though, our absolute best lap is 1:17.282. On his final Q3 lap, Leclerc didn't do personal best final sector. In team radio he also admitted the mistake. The fact is, we're lot closer here than last year (Leclerc was 1.5 seconds away from pole). Just compare our previous years sector 3 times with this year's.

Strategy will be the key tomorrow. Undercut is way stronger here than overcut. Going long is quite meaningless if either Lec/Sai gets stuck behind traffic with new tyres. Ferrari shouldn't allow Alpine/Mclaren to undercut during the pitstops and gain track position.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari have done a mighty job considering all the set backs that they have had its been a real hybrid roller-coaster.From viruses, fia sanction, internal espionage,Internal politics, and other top teams meddling in Ferrari affairs its a miricle they are on the grid.Only a mighty organisation can take ridicule.I would love to see mercedes and redbull handed the same ridicule to see just how well they would cope and where there performance would be .Keep up the good work Ferrari for the German porknuccle era is closing fast time for a new menu.

[paneristi]

If this is not alarming to Binotto, then what is?
Wow.

[Aziz]

I kind see some positives in Ferrari, they look more and more like a great team, correlation form wind tunel is on point, pit stops are without mistakes, the engine is better, and aerodynamically they have made a miracle if you take in the restrictions they had

[tifosi1993]

Of course it's positive. P4 and P6 on a track that punishes a bad car, which was one of the worst track for Ferrari last year. Made huge improvements even with all the restrictions in place. But still some people can't help themselves. They have to bring up Binotto, 2017, Ferrari engine and what not even after a positive qualifying session.

[Greig]

Unbelievable. I don't get this logic at all.

Ferrari is ending this era worse than they started. I mean, you go from being 2nd place in the WCC rankings for so many years to dropping 6th place in 2020 and possibly 3rd but a more comfortable 4th in 2021.....provided Alpine does'nt up their game.

Mclaren and RedBull don't make their own engines, that we all know but Mclaren is currently beating Ferrari in the WCC rankings with less staff and a far less budget than Ferrari. RedBull and Mclaren have stepped their game and ending the era higher than Ferrari.

Maybe McLaren have less staff and budget as they don't need to make and develop an engine? If Ferrari bought a Merc engine then we too could have less staff and budget, so not sure your point is really well thought out as usual.

[Cavallino]

OMG!!!! Really!!!! Even after the pandemic and the FIA putting a 2nd fuel flow sensor hampering Ferrari's performance. If that's your basis, then go right ahead but the results are going to be "overwhelming." One can even say," What great performance we've had this year over last year!!!!"....which is true but undermining the real truth as to why that is.

Give me a break.

Try comparing the overall race pace of 2019, 2018, and 2017 to 2021 against Mercedes. How did Ferrari do in those years compared to Mercedes?? Was Ferrari a minute behind during the race?? IF NOT, then why is'nt Ferrari using that engine???

I think the point is, if we made such improvement since last year while only being able to make small changes, imagine what we can do next year. Next year the top spots will definitely be within reach. Just continue the chassis developments (get the rule change right) and bring about 40-50bhp.

[Cavallino]

Ferrari have done a mighty job considering all the set backs that they have had its been a real hybrid roller-coaster.From viruses, fia sanction, internal espionage,Internal politics, and other top teams meddling in Ferrari affairs its a miricle they are on the grid.Only a mighty organisation can take ridicule.I would love to see mercedes and redbull handed the same ridicule to see just how well they would cope and where there performance would be .Keep up the good work Ferrari for the German porknuccle era is closing fast time for a new menu.

i hope you're right and this puppet show ends. What a great face for the sport would it be to have Charles consistently winning in a Ferrari. A good looking boy in a good looking car.

I've said this before but I think we have the best looking two drivers in history.

[nani_s23]

I think the point is, if we made such improvement since last year while only being able to make small changes, imagine what we can do next year. Next year the top spots will definitely be within reach. Just continue the chassis developments (get the rule change right) and bring about 40-50bhp.

We were in reach to Merc during 2017 & 2018, DNFs/ in season development/driver inconsistency/strategy errors cost us. Ferrari didn’t carry the same momentum in 2019 & from there graph is coming down.

Yes I agree next year we have a good shot if merc vs RB continues like this till this end of the season.
It’s just a hope.

[jgonzalesm6]

I think the point is, if we made such improvement since last year while only being able to make small changes, imagine what we can do next year. Next year the top spots will definitely be within reach. Just continue the chassis developments (get the rule change right) and bring about 40-50bhp.

LOL......Ferrari have had years to develop the PU and has yet to catch up to Mercedes.

That's the "hope rule"--> let's HOPE next year...........and next year.......and next year. Just keep on hoping I guess.

[nani_s23]

considering where are we in 2015/2017/2018 we were the one who consistently fought against Mercs to now being at 4th/5th/6th or finishing out of points seems to be a good improvement for them. Seriously :-)
When a driver makes a mistake oh man remove him, when the team principal isn’t able to deliver the team results giving disaster results year by year oh no it’s not his mistake. Good logics :rotfl

[PURE PASSION]

7808
So, both our drivers had more !!!! Starting to look more descent !!!:-)

[FerrariF60]

Las year we were 1.5 seconds off the pace. This year it's 0.7 seconds. And if we compare ultimate pace, only 5 tenths away. Huge improvement, while still lacking that extra engine horse power.

Only if we had 15-20 extra ponies....we’d be up there fighting for pole with Merc and red bull......ONLY IF

[jgonzalesm6]

Maybe McLaren have less staff and budget as they don't need to make and develop an engine? If Ferrari bought a Merc engine then we too could have less staff and budget, so not sure your point is really well thought out as usual.

WOW.....that's an eye-opening statement!!!!! It never dawned on me...............No kidding Sherlock.

[Greig]

WOW.....that's an eye-opening statement!!!!! It never dawned on me...............No kidding Sherlock.

You are the one using it as something against Ferrari though, maybe think before you post your next attack on the team.

[Greig]

considering where are we in 2015/2017/2018 we were the one who consistently fought against Mercs to now being at 4th/5th/6th or finishing out of points seems to be a good improvement for them. Seriously :-)
When a driver makes a mistake oh man remove him, when the team principal isn’t able to deliver the team results giving disaster results year by year oh no it’s not his mistake. Good logics :rotfl

So you would have replaced Todt well before 1999 then?

[jgonzalesm6]

We're 5 tenths away though, our absolute best lap is 1:17.282. On his final Q3 lap, Leclerc didn't do personal best final sector. In team radio he also admitted the mistake. The fact is, we're lot closer here than last year (Leclerc was 1.5 seconds away from pole). Just compare our previous years sector 3 times with this year's.

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Here we go again. T10 has been re-done for this year 2021 so it's a faster swooping turn than previous years. Of course ANYONE'S time in Sector 3 will be better than last year.......jeeeez.

[Greig]

Here we go again. T10 has been re-done for this year 2021 so it's a faster swooping turn than previous years. Of course ANYONE'S time in Sector 3 will be better than last year.......jeeeez.

Duh but we are still closer to pole than last year, we are not the only car using the new T10.

[jgonzalesm6]

You are the one using it as something against Ferrari though, maybe think before you post your next attack on the team.

So why is Mclaren beating Ferrari n the WCC standing for 2021 with less staff and budget???

[Greig]

So why is Mclaren beating Ferrari n the WCC standing for 2021 with less staff and budget???

Better engine that they don't need to staff and budget for. And also a red flag at Imola.....

[jgonzalesm6]

Duh but we are still closer to pole than last year, we are not the only car using the new T10.

Of course Ferrari is closer to pole than last year!!!!! DUUUUUHHHHH, maybe because Ferrari got a double whammy in 2020 and both instances hampered performance.

[jgonzalesm6]

Better engine that they don't need to staff and budget for. .

hammer-nail-head.

[Greig]

Of course Ferrari is closer to pole than last year!!!!! DUUUUUHHHHH, maybe because Ferrari got a double whammy in 2020 and both instances hampered performance.

You just attacked a guy for saying we were closer to pole? now you agree we are closer to pole, so why did you challenge his post and make out T10 was something special?

Do different people share your login?

[KimiBot]

Come on now Greig, I am sure you understand that fans are not happy. Everything was fine, Arrivabenes team made progress every year, and there was a real fight with Mercs, and then comes Binotto with ultimatum, and gives worst car at least in 40 years. Now we are happy when we get P4 in quali. I am sure you understand.

[Greig]

hammer-nail-head.

So why are you using that as some kind of way to attack Ferrari?

You actually make no sense.

[Greig]

Come on now Greig, I am sure you understand that fans are not happy. Everything was fine, Arrivabenes team made progress every year, and there was a real fight with Mercs, and then comes Binotto with ultimatum, and gives worst car at least in 40 years. Now we are happy when we get P4 in quali. I am sure you understand.

Least they are not hanging around forums trolling when their driver is long gone I suppose :-)

[jgonzalesm6]

So why are you using that as some kind of way to attack Ferrari?

You actually make no sense.

Mclaren is attacking Ferrari....not me.

[Greig]

Mclaren is attacking Ferrari....not me.

LOL you were the one posting about them beating us with less budget and staff....maybe you forgot?

[KimiBot]

Least they are not hanging around forums trolling when their driver is long gone I suppose :-)

Come on now Greig, I am trying speak with you like an adult to another adult.

[jgonzalesm6]

LOL you were the one posting about them beating us with less budget and staff....maybe you forgot?

Just stating the facts as they are currently.

[jgonzalesm6]

Come on now Greig, I am trying speak with you like an adult to another adult.

He is going to twist your reason for being here.

[WS6TransAm01]

Charles! You magnificent *******.

That kid is the real deal. Sad that we are celebrating a 4th place in quali, but it is what it is.


Quite so, but Charles will one day replace him as the leader of the pack, if there's any justice. Ferrari had better get their finger out. P4 and P6 for our boys is a good showing but our lack of straight-line speed and tyre wear are worrying, we'll see. A podium isn't impossible.:pray

Only if Charles goes to Merc or maybe BRB

[Williams F1 Fan]

We had another familiar Qualifying result. George does well in Qualifying, come race day, may just miss out on a top 10 finish and the elusive Points. Latifi around the back row of the Grid. Then race day, might finish low down, or may crash out.
Having lower expectations from this year's car. Getting use to low expectations after the previous seasons that we have had. The Quest for Points could roll on.
This season could see an interesting tussle between Ferrari and McLaren in the Constructors. Couldn't say who could finish on top in this battle.
Like to see Fernando Alonso do well in his home race. Nice guy. Won Drivers Title for Renault, drove for Ferrari and McLaren. Started at Minardi? I believe he has his own Karting School?

[Cavallino]

LOL......Ferrari have had years to develop the PU and has yet to catch up to Mercedes.

That's the "hope rule"--> let's HOPE next year...........and next year.......and next year. Just keep on hoping I guess.

We did beat them!
And how many of those years were engine freeze years?

[jgonzalesm6]

We did beat them!
And how many of those years were engine freeze years?

Really!!!.....When did Ferrari beat them?? Who's them??

How many of those years were engine freeze years??? Tell that to Honda as they were 1 year later into the turbo hybrid era with no help YET here we are in 2021 and Honda has made advances to their PU along with RedBull.

[aroutis]

Charles! You magnificent *******.

That kid is the real deal. Sad that we are celebrating a 4th place in quali, but it is what it is.



Only if Charles goes to Merc or maybe BRB

No. We 're celebrating our performance compared to last year.
We've made quite a jump and that's a reason to celebrate it.

[tifosi1993]

The bandwagon hoppers have derailed this thread with their consistent Ferrari bashing. They should open another thread and scream at each other like ducks.

Now on topic, P4 and P6 are solid starting positions. But strategy is more important. Both Lec/Sai should try to hold on to their grid positions after lap 1, gaining places at the start is fine, but losing places at the start will not be ideal.

Track position is key here. If Leclerc manages to hold on to his P4 and not let Ocon overtake him at the start, he doesn't need to worry about too much. Our race pace is much stronger than both Alpine or Mclaren. Sainz should attack Ocon and watch out for Ricciardo. We should be aggressive with our strategy and go for the undercut.

[Toothlessrage*]

I can safely say that Leclerc is better than Verstappen in Quali.
In race-trim, I think we need to see Leclerc in a machine with the same credentials as the '17 & '18 Ferraris.

[jgonzalesm6]

No. We 're celebrating our performance compared to last year.
We've made quite a jump and that's a reason to celebrate it.

BREAKING NEWS: Anything Ferrari does in 2021 is an improvement over 2020 because in 2020 Italy along with Ferrari were handicapped due to COVID-19 along with the FIA handicapping Ferrari with a 2nd fuel flow sensor.

:ouch


I can safely say that Leclerc is better than Verstappen in Quali.
.

:ouch

[Toothlessrage*]

BREAKING NEWS: Anything Ferrari does in 2021 is an improvement over 2020 because in 2020 Italy along with Ferrari were handicapped due to COVID-19 along with the FIA handicapping Ferrari with a 2nd fuel flow sensor.

:ouch



:ouch

Yes, it's obvious.
But, my statement considers Lecler's and Verstappen JR's overall record. Not just this Quali.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yes, it's obvious.
But, my statement considers Lecler's and Verstappen JR's overall record. Not just this Quali.

Hey, whatever floats your boat. If that makes you feel better in the morning, so be it.

[nani_s23]

So you would have replaced Todt well before 1999 then?

At least Todt had the call over What’s needed for Ferrari.
But here, it’s simple just politics to gain that position from Mr. Binotto.

[nani_s23]

Least they are not hanging around forums trolling when their driver is long gone I suppose :-)

So you mean we should not criticise ferrari team at all. Where we do with our drivers. :Hmm

[nani_s23]

Come on now Greig, I am trying speak with you like an adult to another adult.

:thumb

[nani_s23]

Charles leclerc: he did perform exceptionally in Alfa team & he earned Ferrari seat. No doubt about that.
In 2019, he was giving consistent poles. 2020 too because of him Ferrari at least had something in the points. He over performed in quali given the disaster car.
2021: he’s doing the same, is there any change?

All here we are talking about Ferrari performance & we are comparing it with 2020. Glory runs in FP’s & they are happy for that with indeterminate logics.
2017/2018 we were closer & look at those sector times. Seems like somebody missed those years :lol

Current management of Mercs & RB is way stronger than Ferrari.

This is because Mr. Binotto is weak not that Toto or Horner are powerful.

Under his leadership 2019/2020 & now 2021. Only good thing what he did is picking up Leclerc & removing vettel. Apart from that nothing.

[nhiepka]

Charles leclerc: he did perform exceptionally in Alfa team & he earned Ferrari seat. No doubt about that.
In 2019, he was giving consistent poles. 2020 too because of him Ferrari at least had something in the points. He over performed in quali given the disaster car.
2021: he’s doing the same, is there any change?

All here we are talking about Ferrari performance & we are comparing it with 2020. Glory runs in FP’s & they are happy for that with indeterminate logics.
2017/2018 we were closer & look at those sector times. Seems like somebody missed those years :lol

Current management of Mercs & RB is way stronger than Ferrari.

This is because Mr. Binotto is weak not that Toto or Horner are powerful.

Under his leadership 2019/2020 & now 2021. Only good thing what he did is picking up Leclerc & removing vettel. Apart from that nothing.

Totally agree with you, Mr.Binoto should get out, he is not good enough to lead Ferrari team. He works for Ferrari for many years which doesnt mean he will be a good leader isnt it? our top leaders have made a wrong choice.

[Aziz]

So much defeatism on this forum, relax enjoy the show, our time will come

[Greig]

Charles leclerc: he did perform exceptionally in Alfa team & he earned Ferrari seat. No doubt about that.
In 2019, he was giving consistent poles. 2020 too because of him Ferrari at least had something in the points. He over performed in quali given the disaster car.
2021: he’s doing the same, is there any change?

All here we are talking about Ferrari performance & we are comparing it with 2020. Glory runs in FP’s & they are happy for that with indeterminate logics.
2017/2018 we were closer & look at those sector times. Seems like somebody missed those years :lol

Current management of Mercs & RB is way stronger than Ferrari.

This is because Mr. Binotto is weak not that Toto or Horner are powerful.

Under his leadership 2019/2020 & now 2021. Only good thing what he did is picking up Leclerc & removing vettel. Apart from that nothing.

:rotfljust support the winning team will be less painful for you.

Must have missed the super duper RB management winning against Merc.....

[Aziz]

:rotfljust support the winning team will be less painful for you.

Must have missed the super duper RB management winning against Merc.....

Merc is the most dominant team in F1 history, is quite normal they all love them, including some of the so called Ferrari supporters

[tifosi1993]

Merc is the most dominant team in F1 history, is quite normal they all love them, including some of the so called Ferrari supporters

And most of them are upset with Binotto because he got rid of Vettel. :lol

[Tifoso Svedese]

So much defeatism on this forum, relax enjoy the show, our time will come

The point is that we're not allowed to win because if we do, the maFIA and the cheating trash team that shall not be named will ban the car instantly.

[Greig]

The point is that we're not allowed to win because if we do, the maFIA and the cheating trash team that shall not be named will ban the car instantly.

You sound like a McLaren or Williams fan when MS was winning.....:rotfl

[Toothlessrage*]

Hey, whatever floats your boat. If that makes you feel better in the morning, so be it.

Sure, whatever you say Dr. Phil

[Tifoso Svedese]

You sound like a McLaren or Williams fan when MS was winning.....:rotfl

:rotfl

Forgotten 2018 and 2019 already???

[Greig]

:rotfl

Forgotten 2018 and 2019 already???

Hence why I said when MS was winning......

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hence why I said when MS was winning......

Obviously you have forgotten two certain teams actually whinging to the maFIA until the car got banned for no reason. It has happened. You're in denial :lol

[PURE PASSION]

In all sports sometimes you win much more times you lose!!!!
We all want our team to win all the times and just to be some years to be very close 2nd ,but unfortunately thats not the case. What bothers me with some people is that the only thing they look is the numbers and they like to highlight and exaggerated on the bad things of our team and then praise all our opponents. Personally I dislike those kind of people, the bad lovers. They confuse making
constructive criticism to the team and totally eliminate the team!!!!! The worse thing is that raising kind of people (not talking specifically for someone here ,because I have many also in my country and also some friend of mine) is that they now eliminate everything everything and everyone and when the time comes and we start winning, with the same peaple they are bashing, they start celebrating again like nothing happened before and they just say "I'm happy to be wrong ". Well to me this isn't fair. If you don't support your team in the bad year's why you can have the right to celebrate their winnings!!!!!
Again this is just how i see things in my life.I also have made some criticism to the team and have disappointed so many times, but this is life and this is sports.
I read this somewhere and I agree a lot with it

“Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday.”

[Greig]

Obviously you have forgotten two certain teams actually whinging to the maFIA until the car got banned for no reason. It has happened. You're in denial :lol

What car got banned?

[Tifoso Svedese]

What car got banned?

The 2019 engine? :rotfl

I don't know why I'm even explaining this mate... you just pretend to not know :lol

[Greig]

The 2019 engine? :rotfl

I don't know why I'm even explaining this mate... you just pretend to not know :lol

Ah so you just forgot that I said when MS was winning.....

[nani_s23]

And one guy is supporting because he picked up leclerc ??? :rotfl what a logic this guy has:rotfl

[Toothlessrage*]

And one guy is supporting because he picked up leclerc ??? :rotfl what a logic this guy has:rotfl

Who are you referring to?

[Aziz]

The point is that we're not allowed to win because if we do, the maFIA and the cheating trash team that shall not be named will ban the car instantly.

That's still our fault, they have more power then us at the moment, just head down and work on all aspects of the sport

[nani_s23]

:rotfljust support the winning team will be less painful for you.

Must have missed the super duper RB management winning against Merc.....

I don’t know where you are getting it wrong :lol. Common Greig.

RB is not a super duper management team, never mentioned that. It’s just binotto is weak.
They are ahead of Ferrari in calling the shots, remember
This year or previous years aero changes were called by RB & FIA agreed to that. Which benefitted RB at least in the contention now.

Tell me what did Mr. Binotto do to help the Ferrari back in the fight against Mercs?

[nani_s23]

Who are you referring to?

Definitely not you & greig. But there is one :-D. On top you will his replies with some weird logics.

[nani_s23]

So much defeatism on this forum, relax enjoy the show, our time will come

It’s not defeatism. It’s about downfall.
We were in good shape 2017/2018 with very good cars. Didn’t see the TP change coming, when MA was leading it perfectly.
From there we all know where are we. This turn around was completely clueless & now we are playing again a catch up.

Next year is the only hope, if we don’t get it on top & then it’s like we are into same cycle again.

My main point is there should a strong person representing Ferrari & fight against FIA for the need of Ferrari. Now everything became political, it’s all about power.

[paolo lalli]

Hire Totti wolf problem solved i think he speaks some Italian so the process is easier.

[tifosi1993]

Hire Totti wolf problem solved i think he speaks some Italian so the process is easier.

Hiring him will give us +15% engine power and +15% downforce perks automatically? :lol

And what about Binotto? Should we sack him or send him somewhere else? I heard Red Bull is looking for engine people.

[nani_s23]

Hire Totti wolf problem solved i think he speaks some Italian so the process is easier.

We went for Ross Brawn :-)

[ntukza]

Totally agree with you, Mr.Binoto should get out, he is not good enough to lead Ferrari team. He works for Ferrari for many years which doesnt mean he will be a good leader isnt it? our top leaders have made a wrong choice.

With an apparent campaign to reduce Ferrari's on-screen time and a weak team leader who pales in comparison to his counterparts, Ferrari will fade into oblivion for sure.

[nani_s23]

100th race for Max : All the best for him :thumb

[ntukza]

The point is that we're not allowed to win because if we do, the maFIA and the cheating trash team that shall not be named will ban the car instantly.

No, the point is that we're soft. Aren't we the most successful and historic team in F1? Aren't we given veto rights and special payments because we are the most important team in F1? So why are we being subservient to the manipulations of the FIA and other teams? Why are we cowering away into a corner and allowing others to push us into oblivion? Why aren't w using our might and power to assert ourselves as the important team that we are? Why are we silent? Why do Toto and Horner walk and talk like they rule the paddock and our men are like school boys who don't belong? That's the problems. We've allowed them to take away our pride, our reputation and our onscreen time. Next they will take away our veto power and our legacy payment, and then we'll be like any other team on the paddock. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

[wisepie]

Come on guys, enough bickering, let's just concentrate on where we are and hope that our boys can do Ferrari justice this afternoon. Forza ragazzi.:pray

[Cavallino]

Really!!!.....When did Ferrari beat them?? Who's them??

How many of those years were engine freeze years??? Tell that to Honda as they were 1 year later into the turbo hybrid era with no help YET here we are in 2021 and Honda has made advances to their PU along with RedBull.

We were talking about PUs. One could argue in 2018/2019 the Ferrari PU was equal to if not exceeding the Merc PU.

[Cavallino]

No, the point is that we're soft. Aren't we the most successful and historic team in F1? Aren't we given veto rights and special payments because we are the most important team in F1? So why are we being subservient to the manipulations of the FIA and other teams? Why are we cowering away into a corner and allowing others to push us into oblivion? Why aren't w using our might and power to assert ourselves as the important team that we are? Why are we silent? Why do Toto and Horner walk and talk like they rule the paddock and our men are like school boys who don't belong? That's the problems. We've allowed them to take away our pride, our reputation and our onscreen time. Next they will take away our veto power and our legacy payment, and then we'll be like any other team on the paddock. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

This is absolutely part of the problem. We were starting to assert ourselves again under Macchione.

[Cavallino]

Ugh, F1TV is already gaslighting me and saying that Lewis never had a battle on his hands until their precious Max and Redbull this year. Did they not watch 2017-2018?

[nani_s23]

Come on guys, enough bickering, let's just concentrate on where we are and hope that our boys can do Ferrari justice this afternoon. Forza ragazzi.:pray

:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

We were talking about PUs. One could argue in 2018/2019 the Ferrari PU was equal to if not exceeding the Merc PU.

Answer me this....IF the PU's in 2018 and 2019 for Ferrari were equal to Mercedes or exceeded Mercedes PU, as you have quoted, WHY then are Ferrari not using that same PU for 2020 and 2021???

Why, for 2021, is the deficit to Mercedes at the end of the race at anywhere from .86sec to a minute depending on the track???

[Cavallino]

Answer me this....IF the PU's in 2018 and 2019 for Ferrari were equal to Mercedes or exceeded Mercedes PU, as you have quoted, WHY then are Ferrari not using that same PU for 2020 and 2021???

Because we aren't allowed to win lol. Burning extra fuel is illegal. Burning oil is okay. USing wheels as an aerodynamic device to cool your tyres is ok. DAS is okay.

[jgonzalesm6]

Burning extra fuel is illegal. .

Thank-you......FINALLY!!!!!!.....someone admits it.

[paneristi]

Well said. We were gaining momentum with the late Sergio Marchionne and Arrivebene. Now, we seem to be more of a listener than the main speaker. I believe many tifosi are upset because of this (decisions made by the governing body to give advantage to some team). We voice out opinions just in case it can be heard, far from bashing our beloved team.
No, the point is that we're soft. Aren't we the most successful and historic team in F1? Aren't we given veto rights and special payments because we are the most important team in F1? So why are we being subservient to the manipulations of the FIA and other teams? Why are we cowering away into a corner and allowing others to push us into oblivion? Why aren't w using our might and power to assert ourselves as the important team that we are? Why are we silent? Why do Toto and Horner walk and talk like they rule the paddock and our men are like school boys who don't belong? That's the problems. We've allowed them to take away our pride, our reputation and our onscreen time. Next they will take away our veto power and our legacy payment, and then we'll be like any other team on the paddock. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

[Cavallino]

what's the point. i thought we were past this.

[nani_s23]

Well said. We were gaining momentum with the late Sergio Marchionne and Arrivebene. Now, we seem to be more of a listener than the main speaker. I believe many tifosi are upset because of this (decisions made by the governing body to give advantage to some team). We voice out opinions just in case it can be heard, far from bashing our beloved team.

At least someone caught my point

[nani_s23]

Lando Norris reports small drops of rain that in Turn 4,5,6 but says it‘s very light

[ferrari1.8t]

Well said. We were gaining momentum with the late Sergio Marchionne and Arrivebene. Now, we seem to be more of a listener than the main speaker. I believe many tifosi are upset because of this (decisions made by the governing body to give advantage to some team). We voice out opinions just in case it can be heard, far from bashing our beloved team.

People still don’t seem to realize that no other team could get a sniff of Merc during the turbo era. Yes we got close, but let’s be realistic and understand that Merc always have more when needed. We are seeing that again this year with “Red Bull is the team to beat”, yet we all know that’s not the case. This year is mercs to win again.

With regards to Binotto, give him a chance. With the freeze on developments, engines, restrictions etc. his hands have been tied. Only so much that he could have done. Next year is our only chance to start fresh and be competitive from the start. If Binotto fails with the regulation changes then we can talk about replacements. I am optimistic that he has been working behind the scenes quietly to give us a good shot next year.

Forza Ferrari