Should Hamilton receive a race ban for sending Verstappen to the hospital?

[Tifoso Svedese]

YES!

Damn typo on the Brembo option can't edit it now :lol

[458 Italia]

YES!

Damn typo on the Brembo option can't edit it now :lol

The troll really doesn't have a leg to stand on now, although I wouldn't put it past them to call it "hard racing" and continue to talk b*****s about Michael Schumacher trying to kill other drivers.

[wisepie]

Of course I would say yes, as HAM ended up being able to continue and win, eventually. Enough.:furious

[Tifoso Svedese]

He needs to be retroactively DSQ and banned from Hungary. This is way worse than anything Michael did at Jerez, obviously.

[jgonzalesm6]

I voted NO.

The 10sec penalty IMO was'nt enough. Lewis should have recieved a stop-and-go penalty PLUS 3 points added to his super-license.

It was clearly Lewis's fault.

These racing stewards and penalties are so inconsitent.

[458 Italia]

I voted NO.

The 10sec penalty IMO was'nt enough. Lewis should have recieved a stop-and-go penalty PLUS 3 points added to his super-license.

It was clearly Lewis's fault.

These racing stewards and penalties are so inconsitent.

Who was the driver steward(s)?

I think being hamilton's home race there would've been pressure on whoever they were to not be too hard on him.

[jgonzalesm6]

Who was the driver steward(s)?

I think being hamilton's home race there would've been pressure on whoever they were to not be too hard on him.


The Stewards were for this race are as follows:

Nish Shetty
Loic Bacquelaine
Emmanuele Pirro
Eric Cowell

[aroutis]

While a black flag was actually my first reaction when I saw this (which btw puts to bed that other myth re: Lewis being such a clean driver, there you have it) today we learned that 10 sec is the penalty for eliminating your WDC opposition as well as we witnessed how Lewis cared bout his opponent after the race.
No further comment #disgusted.

[20000rpm]

I am waiting how this will pan out at the Holland GP... Max fans would be going really crazy.

[Cavallino]

I think it was a racing incident, but it was Hamilton's fault as he missed the apex. First lap incidents should be lenient, but how far do we extend that? All the way around the lap?

While it has always been the red flag rules that you can change whatever parts, I think since we are now much quicker to call red flags, so they will be more common, in a situation like this where Hamilton had a cracked wheel rim and would have to pit or risk DNF, the penalty should have been severe enough to negate that advantage. So atleast a stop and go.

[jgonzalesm6]

I am waiting how this will pan out at the Holland GP... Max fans would be going really crazy.

Imagine of Jos was at the race!!!!!............it would have been a Sxhumacher and Hill scenario all over again.

[tifosi1993]

No. I just want both Mercedes and Red Bull camp to implode. You could argue that Max had it coming, ever since he has entered F1, he has always been ruthless.

Hamilton on the other been enjoying a dominant car for 8 years. It has masked his shortcomings but now it's getting reveled again because of Max-Red Bull challenge.

I just want both of them to not give each other any room from now on. It will make things spicy and funny, to me atleast, and it will improve our prospect of bagging up some healthy amounts of points.

[TTRSMAD]

I was looking at Hamilton onboard when he hit Verstappen there is no way that was not intentional. Being on the inside like he was and the speed he was going, there is no way he was making the corner without lifting and kissing the apex.

There should be an investigation with the telemetry and a race ban if guilty of purposively endangering another driver life.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis post race interviews mentioned nothing of Max's well being.

It was the usual scripted messages from Lewis that we have all come to hear.....:roll

[Cavallino]

No. I just want both Mercedes and Red Bull camp to implode. You could argue that Max had it coming, ever since he has entered F1, he has always been ruthless.

Hamilton on the other been enjoying a dominant car for 8 years. It has masked his shortcomings but now it's getting reveled again because of Max-Red Bull challenge.

I just want both of them to not give each other any room from now on. It will make things spicy and funny, to me atleast, and it will improve our prospect of bagging up some healthy amounts of points.

Obviously i don't want people to get hurt but that's why Max doesn't get a lot of sympathy from me.He dishes it out, he has to be able to take it too.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hammy is seriously deranged, man...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-doesnt-feel-he-needs-to-apologise-for-verstappen-clash/6633354/

[Lesky]

How to win a race by Lewis Hamilton and get universally praised:

Step 1 - Crash into your championship rival at 300km/h.

Step 2 - Repair your car under Red Flag.

Step 3 - Take a mickey mouse 10s penalty.

Step 4 - Benefit from team orders.

Step 5 - Overtake a midfield Ferrari with DRS and a massive engine advantage.

And people call this an amazing drive etc. Whats going on?

[jgonzalesm6]

How to win a race by Lewis Hamilton and get universally praised:

Step 1 - Crash into your championship rival at 300km/h.

Step 2 - Repair your car under Red Flag.

Step 3 - Take a mickey mouse 10s penalty.

Step 4 - Benefit from team orders.

Step 5 - Overtake a midfield Ferrari with DRS and a massive engine advantage.

And people call this an amazing drive etc. Whats going on?

:thumb

[458 Italia]

How to win a race by Lewis Hamilton and get universally praised:

Step 1 - Crash into your championship rival at 300km/h.

Step 2 - Repair your car under Red Flag.

Step 3 - Take a mickey mouse 10s penalty.

Step 4 - Benefit from team orders.

Step 5 - Overtake a midfield Ferrari with DRS and a massive engine advantage.

And people call this an amazing drive etc. Whats going on?

Sounds bang on.

[stefa]

Hammy is seriously deranged, man...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-doesnt-feel-he-needs-to-apologise-for-verstappen-clash/6633354/

It is way past overdue karma to hit him hard! I really hope it will be sooner than later!

[stefa]

How to win a race by Lewis Hamilton and get universally praised:

Step 1 - Crash into your championship rival at 300km/h.

Step 2 - Repair your car under Red Flag.

Step 3 - Take a mickey mouse 10s penalty.

Step 4 - Benefit from team orders.

Step 5 - Overtake a midfield Ferrari with DRS and a massive engine advantage.

And people call this an amazing drive etc. Whats going on?

Joke once called F1

[Lesky]

Joke once called F1

Yes, its utterly sad. The rules need correction as well. A stop and go penalty on the first lap after the incident would have been sufficient to calm things down a bit. As of now you can ruin someones race and only get a slap on the wrist. And Saint.Lewis more than anyone!

[SS454]

No he does not deserve a race ban. It was close to being a racing incident, even though it was Lewis' fault. It wasn't a clear cut dirty move, it was very aggressive driving by both drivers. Drivers have been injuried for smaller crashes in the past, just as drivers have had no injuries at all with bigger crashes... it is what it is.

[Liscia]

I voted Yes but it's very hard to choose between Ham and Ver - the older one who is so full of himself and the younger one who is brash and rather crude. Neither one cares much how they win as long as they do - the mark of the truly unsportsmanlike (losers in the final analysis). I am thankful that our team progresses and is made up of gentlemanly sorts who will eventually have their day. Great drive by Our guys, Leclerc in particular- probably the most decent guy on the grid.

[Cavallino]

Yes, its utterly sad. The rules need correction as well. A stop and go penalty on the first lap after the incident would have been sufficient to calm things down a bit. As of now you can ruin someones race and only get a slap on the wrist. And Saint.Lewis more than anyone!

A better penalty would have helped. Lewis had a cracked wheel rim. He would have had to make an extra pit stop anyway, all be it under yellow.

[20000rpm]

While it might seem like a racing incident in the heat of the moment, the fact that stewards did nothing but just a rap on the knuckle of Merc/Ham goes to show their biasness. While a ban on Ham would be considered a bit harsh, he should have been given a 15 sec stop-go penalty. Massi's role as race director has come more under cloud with Baku and Silverstone.
It won't be wrong to assume that you could almost kill your competitor, put the safety of others at risk(Baku) and still get away with it.
It seems the stewards were more under pressure to not penalise Ham harshly given the presence of Tom Cruise, influential investors and home gp. Wonder if it was just a show instead of actual race.

[SS454]

I think during the Red Flag the Stewarts were writing a script to ensure their home town hero would shine in the end with the illusion of a miracle drive. How on earth it took them like 45 mins to figure out a penalty is crazy.

[Lesky]

The reasons people are raging against Hamilton:

1. The lack of consequence for eliminating your rival from the race and gaining 32 points in the standings by doing so. A complete farce penalty that had no bearing on the offenders race.

2. Free repairs after causing a collision enabling the offender to keep his position when he should have been in the pits and last.

3. The celebration like he had won the WDC when he won because of an incident he was deemed guilty of causing

4. The actual incident.

If the FIA had given Lewis a proper penalty he would have finished like 7th to 10th or so and still gained a few points on Max, but the real outrage would have been avoided since FIA had signaled its NOT OK and you cant benefit greatly from taking out your main rival!

So basicly 4 things that are clearly wrong, the incident, the red flag saving repairs, the lack of sufficient penalty and the celebration.

Had the FIA sanctioned Hamilton properly, the repair issue and celebration issue would have been eleminated. I could have lived with the incident, if the proper penatly had been assessed, had he finished 11th the championship would not have been affected in such a dramatic fashion!

Hamilton basicly erased Max excellent driving this year by making a mistake running into Max, I dont see how anybody can argue that is good for the sport.

Red Bull will have change engine and gearbox etc as well which could further decide the championship.

Final note: Its possible that Lewis is getting more abuse than he should have because of the insanity of the regulations.

[stefa]

The reasons people are raging against Hamilton:

1. The lack of consequence for eliminating your rival from the race and gaining 32 points in the standings by doing so. A complete farce penalty that had no bearing on the offenders race.

2. Free repairs after causing a collision enabling the offender to keep his position when he should have been in the pits and last.

3. The celebration like he had won the WDC when he won because of an incident he was deemed guilty of causing

4. The actual incident.

If the FIA had given Lewis a proper penalty he would have finished like 7th to 10th or so and still gained a few points on Max, but the real outrage would have been avoided since FIA had signaled its NOT OK and you cant benefit greatly from taking out your main rival!

So basicly 4 things that are clearly wrong, the incident, the red flag saving repairs, the lack of sufficient penalty and the celebration.

Had the FIA sanctioned Hamilton properly, the repair issue and celebration issue would have been eleminated. I could have lived with the incident, if the proper penatly had been assessed, had he finished 11th the championship would not have been affected in such a dramatic fashion!

Hamilton basicly erased Max excellent driving this year by making a mistake running into Max, I dont see how anybody can argue that is good for the sport.

Red Bull will have change engine and gearbox etc as well which could further decide the championship.

Final note: Its possible that Lewis is getting more abuse than he should have because of the insanity of the regulations.

Agree with every word! :clap
This is becoming private Mercedes & LH sport! It is a joke!!!

[SS454]

The reasons people are raging against Hamilton:

1. The lack of consequence for eliminating your rival from the race and gaining 32 points in the standings by doing so. A complete farce penalty that had no bearing on the offenders race.

2. Free repairs after causing a collision enabling the offender to keep his position when he should have been in the pits and last.

3. The celebration like he had won the WDC when he won because of an incident he was deemed guilty of causing

4. The actual incident.

If the FIA had given Lewis a proper penalty he would have finished like 7th to 10th or so and still gained a few points on Max, but the real outrage would have been avoided since FIA had signaled its NOT OK and you cant benefit greatly from taking out your main rival!

So basicly 4 things that are clearly wrong, the incident, the red flag saving repairs, the lack of sufficient penalty and the celebration.

Had the FIA sanctioned Hamilton properly, the repair issue and celebration issue would have been eleminated. I could have lived with the incident, if the proper penatly had been assessed, had he finished 11th the championship would not have been affected in such a dramatic fashion!

Hamilton basicly erased Max excellent driving this year by making a mistake running into Max, I dont see how anybody can argue that is good for the sport.

Red Bull will have change engine and gearbox etc as well which could further decide the championship.

Final note: Its possible that Lewis is getting more abuse than he should have because of the insanity of the regulations.

Well said!

[tifosi1993]

Obviously i don't want people to get hurt but that's why Max doesn't get a lot of sympathy from me.He dishes it out, he has to be able to take it too.

This is why I don't get some people's outrage here. Verstappen would've done the same thing, he doesn't care one bit about another driver's safety. He has always been rash and dangerous. TBH, we can call tomorrow's incident "Karma".

I hope both Ham and Ver will implode from now on and take each other out more often.

[Ferrarichamp]

We all know that if either Ferrari driver had done this to Lewis, the penalty would have been more severe, especially at Silverstone, and there would have been outrage from both Sky and the local fans.

[wisepie]

I voted Yes but it's very hard to choose between Ham and Ver - the older one who is so full of himself and the younger one who is brash and rather crude. Neither one cares much how they win as long as they do - the mark of the truly unsportsmanlike (losers in the final analysis). I am thankful that our team progresses and is made up of gentlemanly sorts who will eventually have their day. Great drive by Our guys, Leclerc in particular- probably the most decent guy on the grid.

Perfect summary and all very true!;-)

[WS6TransAm01]

I know what RoGro did in Spa looked way worse, but it was also at a much slower speed and no one went to the hospital.

He got a race ban, didn't he?

But because it's TwoChains TakeAKnee the FIA will do nothing about it.

[20000rpm]

The reasons people are raging against Hamilton:

1. The lack of consequence for eliminating your rival from the race and gaining 32 points in the standings by doing so. A complete farce penalty that had no bearing on the offenders race.

2. Free repairs after causing a collision enabling the offender to keep his position when he should have been in the pits and last.

3. The celebration like he had won the WDC when he won because of an incident he was deemed guilty of causing

4. The actual incident.

If the FIA had given Lewis a proper penalty he would have finished like 7th to 10th or so and still gained a few points on Max, but the real outrage would have been avoided since FIA had signaled its NOT OK and you cant benefit greatly from taking out your main rival!

So basicly 4 things that are clearly wrong, the incident, the red flag saving repairs, the lack of sufficient penalty and the celebration.

Had the FIA sanctioned Hamilton properly, the repair issue and celebration issue would have been eleminated. I could have lived with the incident, if the proper penatly had been assessed, had he finished 11th the championship would not have been affected in such a dramatic fashion!

Hamilton basicly erased Max excellent driving this year by making a mistake running into Max, I dont see how anybody can argue that is good for the sport.

Red Bull will have change engine and gearbox etc as well which could further decide the championship.

Final note: Its possible that Lewis is getting more abuse than he should have because of the insanity of the regulations.

Well said.. :thumb
This happened between Ham and Max. Tomorrow it could happen between Max and Charles. FiA, as usual, given the trend, would look the other way. What would you do?

[Tony]

Man some of you guys are losing it. Can we stop with the politics and the wishes of death on people, it's just a sport.

[Hornet]

I don't think a race ban is appropriate.

But what we was given was certainly very lenient.
The 5sec/10sec penalty was introduce as a more lenient alternative for minor transgressions, but what happened wasn't minor in any way.

May not be intentional, but it was certainly a very bad decision by Lewis to stick to his guns despite not being ahead of Max, and already ran wide.
He should have backed off, but he didn't. Instead, he sent Max into the barriers at high speed.

He should have been given a 10 sec stop go penalty, at the very least.
We all knew Merc could easily recover that 10 sec with the performance advantage they have. Hell Lewis even had the chance to fix his car up nicely.

Pretty sure even Toto himself was expecting something worse when he decided to send emails out with diagrams all, that was really desperate :lol

[20000rpm]

This is why I don't get some people's outrage here. Verstappen would've done the same thing, he doesn't care one bit about another driver's safety. He has always been rash and dangerous. TBH, we can call tomorrow's incident "Karma".


Just refreshing the memories of how Max is a wonderful driver..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAoSghdD6Y

[tifosi1993]

Man some of you guys are losing it. Can we stop with the politics and the wishes of death on people, it's just a sport.

There are always rotten apples among fresh ones. Two posters here are wishing death of a driver, not most. Maybe you should do your job and kick these people out.

Passionate debate is one thing, but wishing death of a driver is abhorrent. This forum will be better without them.

[Tifoso Svedese]

There are always rotten apples among fresh ones. Two posters here are wishing death of a driver, not most. Maybe you should do your job and kick these people out.

Passionate debate is one thing, but wishing death of a driver is abhorrent. This forum will be better without them.

Some members kick it gangsta sometimes doubt you should take that person's comment too literally my guess is he was just mad as a hatter :-P

[stefa]

Just refreshing the memories of how Max is a wonderful driver..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAoSghdD6Y

No one is saying he is! On the contrary he is one of the dirty! And he was waiting for karma to hit him in the face, and it happened yesterday! Unfortunately, that also reflected on Ferrari...

[tpe]

1. I voted yes, but only because I strongly believe that the penalty was a farce.
2. This is not world championship. Its British formula. I wonder when people will realise this. If it was Schumacher , MV, CS, anyone else instead of a British driver, the "press" would ask for a ban for life, not a race.
3.I don't care about our performance. Championship is not clean.

[20000rpm]

No one is saying he is! On the contrary he is one of the dirty! And he was waiting for karma to hit him in the face, and it happened yesterday! Unfortunately, that also reflected on Ferrari...

Mate... It was a sarcastic comment. We know from start how Ferrari, especially Vettel had been at the receiving end when racing against Max.

[stefa]

Mate... It was a sarcastic comment. We know from start how Ferrari, especially Vettel had been at the receiving end when racing against Max.

I know! I am just saying that karma hits and never forget....

[jgonzalesm6]

I know! I am just saying that karma hits and never forget....

Max will return the favor in kind in the upcoming GP's. I wonder how Crofty, Brundle and all the rest in SKY media will handle that one???

[Liscia]

Max will return the favor in kind in the upcoming GP's. I wonder how Crofty, Brundle and all the rest in SKY media will handle that one???

Indeed! If those two selfish brats keep at it we might reap some benefits;)

[tpe]

I have the impression that most accidents with LH involvement results to the retirement of the other driver. And the other driver looks to be hit at the back wheel, again most of the times.
It's just my impression though...

Or...

[Brembo]

Indeed! If those two selfish brats keep at it we might reap some benefits;)

For sure Charles was right there to go around the fight. So far Ferrari is 17 points ahead of this time lat season.

[tifosi1993]

Max will return the favor in kind in the upcoming GP's. I wonder how Crofty, Brundle and all the rest in SKY media will handle that one???

Then he should brace for few more high speed crashes because Hamilton is not gonna back down any longer. Leclerc already gave Max his own medicine after Austria 2019 and continuous to do so when he's in a genuine fight with Max, Hamilton is a bit late to that party but at last he has arrived and not gonna leave that party wagon any more.

[tifosi1993]

Indeed! If those two selfish brats keep at it we might reap some benefits;)

And their respective teams as well. So lets hope they will keep on imploding from now on and provide some nice popcorn worthy dramas for us Ferrari fans.

[aroutis]

No. I just want both Mercedes and Red Bull camp to implode. You could argue that Max had it coming, ever since he has entered F1, he has always been ruthless.

Hamilton on the other been enjoying a dominant car for 8 years. It has masked his shortcomings but now it's getting reveled again because of Max-Red Bull challenge.

I just want both of them to not give each other any room from now on. It will make things spicy and funny, to me atleast, and it will improve our prospect of bagging up some healthy amounts of points.

No I don't agree that max had it coming nor do I agree with the so called 1st lap thing.
51 G impact. And it was lewis fault. Even if he did not do it on purpose he did eliminate his wdc competition while he was able to go on and win.
So if we want to see things we had complains about red flag and qualify right? Why not limiting what can be rectified under red flag with no consequences then? If you go past that you go to the end of the grid.
I am pretty sure this would limit this kind of accidents.

[Silent Bob]

I'm curious when being able to fix cars under red has been allowed. Didnt Ferrari get penalised for working on Kimis car one race ( I think after he was hit by Bottas in 2017 or 2018).

But dont think Hamilton needs a race ban. But definitely stewards need to work on proper penalties for such an error. Whether it was an accident or not, I think Hamilton has enough experience to know that corner was never going to be taken the way he went into it.

[aroutis]

Also another thing, this whole conversation is about this incident , all this chat about what Max has done in the past is moot. Honestly.

[Brembo]

Also another thing, this whole conversation is about this incident , all this chat about what Max has done in the past is moot. Honestly.

What has been done in the past should definitely be moot both ways. It's about this race. Good point!

[dfunk257]

I voted NO.

The 10sec penalty IMO was'nt enough. Lewis should have recieved a stop-and-go penalty PLUS 3 points added to his super-license.

It was clearly Lewis's fault.

These racing stewards and penalties are so inconsitent.

100% agree with this.
Every driver when given a penalty should get either a drive through which must be taken within 3 laps, or disqualified full stop from the race, depending on the accident. The current penalty laws are an absolute joke as was proven the last grand prix and many more recently.

[SS454]

F1 needs to change the Red Flag rules. What kind of peanut brain thought it was a good idea to allow the cars to get fixed during a red flag and effectively reset the race? If the teams were prohibited to do so, then Lewis would have been forced to pit or retire with his front wheel issue

[Brembo]

Back in the day F-1 had the " T Cars! " set up basically for the team's #1 driver.

[stefa]

Back in the day F-1 had the " T Cars! " set up basically for the team's #1 driver.

Unfortunately, those back in the days are long gone and this new so called Formula 1 is here to, once again unfortunately, stay!

[20000rpm]

F1 needs to change the Red Flag rules. What kind of peanut brain thought it was a good idea to allow the cars to get fixed during a red flag and effectively reset the race? If the teams were prohibited to do so, then Lewis would have been forced to pit or retire with his front wheel issue

Maybe to ensure there is no debris flying all around due to damaged components and endangering the safety of others.
Something like this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq95z3Pbjs0

[Silent Bob]

Maybe to ensure there is no debris flying all around due to damaged components and endangering the safety of others.
Something like this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq95z3Pbjs0


There is nothing that says they couldn't have fixed the car while the race was being run. Just not during the red flag. Cars should be in parc ferme. If it cost them 3-4 laps, then that right there would be a deterrent to not hit someone next time.

[Silent Bob]

100% agree with this.
Every driver when given a penalty should get either a drive through which must be taken within 3 laps, or disqualified full stop from the race, depending on the accident. The current penalty laws are an absolute joke as was proven the last grand prix and many more recently.

I agree. The 5 sec time penalty is useless. Minimum penalty in the race should be the 10 sec time penalty reserved for stuff like speeding in pitlane etc. Contact penalties should be minimum drive through or stop & go's taken within 3 laps of getting penalty. Time penalty equivalents can be issued if the infraction happens later in the race and there aren't enough laps for the penalty to be served. Of course if it's a racing incident then just keep racing.

[458 Italia]

F1 needs to change the Red Flag rules. What kind of peanut brain thought it was a good idea to allow the cars to get fixed during a red flag and effectively reset the race? If the teams were prohibited to do so, then Lewis would have been forced to pit or retire with his front wheel issue

When was it changed? I remember the race (can't remember where though) where Raikkonen's car was badly damaged and the pit crew managed to fix it Audi Le Mans style, but then got a penalty for the work done when the race restarted.

[Greig]

Looks like Red Bull might be taking things further.

7821

[jgonzalesm6]

Looks like Red Bull might be taking things further.

7821

I don't know what new "evidence" RedBull will provide but nothing will happen. It's a great pressure tactic. Ferrari did the same thing at the CanadianGP in 2019 regarding Seb's penalty and nothing was changed so the 2019 Ferrari request was rejected. The same will happen to the RedBull request as it will get rejected.

[ferrari1.8t]

I don't know what new "evidence" RedBull will provide but nothing will happen. It's a great pressure tactic. Ferrari did the same thing at the CanadianGP in 2019 regarding Seb's penalty and nothing was changed so the 2019 Ferrari request was rejected. The same will happen to the RedBull request as it will get rejected.

Red Bull could show evidence of Hamilton with a gun in his hand shooting out Max’s tires and they still wouldn’t penalize Ham. lol but I am curious to see what new evidence they have. However, I agree with you that the request will get rejected. Huge waste of time and resources on RB’s part.

[Greig]

I read they have data that shows Lewis would not have made the corner if he had not hit Max.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I hope we'll get handed the win and that Hammy is retroactively DSQ for dangerous driving but knowing how deep the maFIA is in the tank for Toto's fraudsters that's not going to happen :-!

[aroutis]

I don't know what new "evidence" RedBull will provide but nothing will happen. It's a great pressure tactic. Ferrari did the same thing at the CanadianGP in 2019 regarding Seb's penalty and nothing was changed so the 2019 Ferrari request was rejected. The same will happen to the RedBull request as it will get rejected.

It is a per case examination.
Noone can be certain about what happens until the examination.


I read they have data that shows Lewis would not have made the corner if he had not hit Max.
That's also my understanding.
I would not rule out anything at this point , even punishing Lewis.

[stefa]

Looks like Red Bull might be taking things further.

7821

This is what I like about Red Bull. They are always putting pressure! :thumb

[aroutis]

This is what I like about Red Bull. They are always putting pressure! :thumb

Honestly I 'll quite enjoy it if they succeed. If only for the sour face of both Lewis and Toto, and just to go read all the comments in PF1 :D
(and of course to see Charles getting what he deserves !)

[SS454]

I read they have data that shows Lewis would not have made the corner if he had not hit Max.

I observed that during the crash. Hamilton's entry angle was nearly at the absolute inside with no arc to the apex, yet his entry speed was as fast as Max's, who likely wasn't going to stay inbounds on the exit due to his speed and entry angle. Frankly, it was a very poor judgement by Lewis.

[stefa]

Honestly I 'll quite enjoy it if they succeed. If only for the sour face of both Lewis and Toto, and just to go read all the comments in PF1 :D
(and of course to see Charles getting what he deserves !)

Agree! That would be so nice, especially for Ferrari and CL. Win is a win, but I've rather saw it on track, than like this on table... I don't say it is not deserved, it is well deserved.

[jgonzalesm6]

It is a per case examination.
Noone can be certain about what happens until the examination.




Alfa Romeo did a request with Kimi at Imola as well and it too got rejected. Masi {FIA} stick to their original FIA statement at time served rather than overturn an appeal by a team request. Again, it's a nice pressure tactc but it does'nt yield any results.

[alfa84]

Red bull new evidence:
https://youtu.be/2QJTAVnaLRI
:clap

Max have been driving like a bull since forever and now he is complaining about other aggressive drive.
You will never be a champion with this drive, it's just a russian roulette. + the two old mans moaning around dont help either :-(:furious...

[aroutis]

Alfa Romeo did a request with Kimi at Imola as well and it too got rejected. Masi {FIA} stick to their original FIA statement at time served rather than overturn an appeal by a team request. Again, it's a nice pressure tactc but it does'nt yield any results.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/has-f1-increased-penalty-after-appeal/6637803/

Not really. Rare? sure. Does not yield results? Inaccurate.

[jgonzalesm6]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/has-f1-increased-penalty-after-appeal/6637803/

Not really. Rare? sure. Does not yield results? Inaccurate.

Nice history lesson but let's stay current. In this turbo-hybrid era and under Masi's "rule", he won't cave to the teams appeal. Maxi sticks to his guns regarding the FIA's original decision and given his history n the turbo-hybrid era all appeals have been rejected.

[aroutis]

Nice history lesson but let's stay current. In this turbo-hybrid era and under Masi's "rule", he won't cave to the teams appeal. Maxi sticks to his guns regarding the FIA's original decision and given his history n the turbo-hybrid era all appeals have been rejected.

For you , history lesson. For me just stating fact.
Ah ,also, I did nothing different than what you did. You start stating cases where the results did not change. Was that also "history lesson"?
Learn when you are making errors and admit to it.

And unless you're a seer, you can't possibly know what will happen. So let's see what happens.

[jgonzalesm6]

For you , history lesson. For me just stating fact.
Ah ,also, I did nothing different than what you did. You start stating cases where the results did not change. Was that also "history lesson"?
Learn when you are making errors and admit to it.

And unless you're a seer, you can't possibly know what will happen. So let's see what happens.

The article you provided does show the FIA reversing their original decision or decisions........but those decisions were from different era's in F1. Currently, we are not living in the "Prost-Balestre" era.

Masi shows no allegiance to any team or any driver nationality. Once the FIA, and Masi, make a decision and said team makes an appeal to said decision....Masi or the FIA will stick to their guns.

Rest assured, IF, and thats a huge IF, Masi reverses course of the original decision of Lewis's peanalty and goes with RedBull's appeal, then I will concede of being wrong and admit at making a mistake........................................... ...but the probablity of that happening goes in my favor.

[ferrari1.8t]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQULuXWqjE

In this video it seems to prove that ham was at fault.....he was able to follow a different line and leave space when passing Leclerc. However, I think it was clear that Ham was at fault and deliberately hit Max. With that said, I still cant see the FIA reversing their decision. That would mean they would be admitting they may a mistake, and that would also put a dent in handing golden boy his 8th gifted championship. Time will tell. Who knows, maybe Leclerc will get the win he deserved lol.

[stefa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQULuXWqjE

In this video it seems to prove that ham was at fault.....he was able to follow a different line and leave space when passing Leclerc. However, I think it was clear that Ham was at fault and deliberately hit Max. With that said, I still cant see the FIA reversing their decision. That would mean they would be admitting they may a mistake, and that would also put a dent in handing golden boy his 8th gifted championship. Time will tell. Who knows, maybe Leclerc will get the win he deserved lol.

Great video!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hammy the psychopath is clearly off the rails man...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-id-repeat-verstappen-attack-in-exact-same-way/6638514/

[stefa]

Hammy the psychopath is clearly off the rails man...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-id-repeat-verstappen-attack-in-exact-same-way/6638514/

I really do hope karma will bite him very soon! He is way overdue!!!

[tifosi1993]

No I don't agree that max had it coming nor do I agree with the so called 1st lap thing.
51 G impact. And it was lewis fault. Even if he did not do it on purpose he did eliminate his wdc competition while he was able to go on and win.
So if we want to see things we had complains about red flag and qualify right? Why not limiting what can be rectified under red flag with no consequences then? If you go past that you go to the end of the grid.
I am pretty sure this would limit this kind of accidents.

Ok man. Everyone bar the Red Bull camp saying it was racing incident, to me it was racing incident, to majority it was racing incident. Even if it was a 100G crash it would still be a racing incident.

And Hamilton has been pretty fair with Max, even in Silverstone. He made the same move on Leclerc and he followed the same trajectory, Leclerc left him enough space but Max didn't. Max can't expect the other guy to back down forever. So yeah, he had his comeuppance and if he doesn't change his antics, which I don't think he will, he's going to have more crashes. Hamilton is a willy old fox with 7 titles and 14 years of experience, he can play the same game and can be more ruthless than Max.

And I also like how Leclerc changed his aggression after Austria 2019. Funny isn't, how it's always Max.

And unlike some people here, who seem to be as professionally outraged as Max, Horner and Marko, I don't have any preference here. I hope both of them crashes more often and both of them take each other frequently, so that Ferrari can bag up some healthy points. And the drama between Merc and Red Bull is always going to be popcorn worthy, another plus point.

[SS454]

Hammy the psychopath is clearly off the rails man...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-id-repeat-verstappen-attack-in-exact-same-way/6638514/

Of course he will say he'd do it again, he won the race and his rival DNF'd. And he can't admit fault to an incident that is being reviewed or appealed.

[Silent Bob]

Of course he will say he'd do it again, he won the race and his rival DNF'd. And he can't admit fault to an incident that is being reviewed or appealed.


Love the part where he says we wouldn't understand if he tried to explain his reason for taking that line. Nothing that F1 fans need to know. Should get a stop & go just for that.

[330 p4]

After cooling off for a few weeks I can now say I hope he does it again. In most circumstances would put them both out and if Ferrari can somewhat replicate last races competivnes Ferrarivwould win and in F1 that's most important. Nothing else matters.

[Tifoso Svedese]

After cooling off for a few weeks I can now say I hope he does it again. In most circumstances would put them both out and if Ferrari can somewhat replicate last races competivnes Ferrarivwould win and in F1 that's most important. Nothing else matters.

I reckon you've been cooling in the messed up county blues? :lol

(line from a rap lyric lol as in being suspended)

[330 p4]

I reckon you've been cooling in the messed up county blues? :lol

(line from a rap lyric lol as in being suspended)

Only suspended for 3 days.

I will add however that that thing in the Merc has been bleating about Hungary and LGBQfhhfdgghjb stuff today, wonder if he'll show his support for this by going into Max's rear?

[Silent Bob]

Ok man. Everyone bar the Red Bull camp saying it was racing incident, to me it was racing incident, to majority it was racing incident. Even if it was a 100G crash it would still be a racing incident.

And Hamilton has been pretty fair with Max, even in Silverstone. He made the same move on Leclerc and he followed the same trajectory, Leclerc left him enough space but Max didn't. Max can't expect the other guy to back down forever. So yeah, he had his comeuppance and if he doesn't change his antics, which I don't think he will, he's going to have more crashes. Hamilton is a willy old fox with 7 titles and 14 years of experience, he can play the same game and can be more ruthless than Max.

And I also like how Leclerc changed his aggression after Austria 2019. Funny isn't, how it's always Max.

And unlike some people here, who seem to be as professionally outraged as Max, Horner and Marko, I don't have any preference here. I hope both of them crashes more often and both of them take each other frequently, so that Ferrari can bag up some healthy points. And the drama between Merc and Red Bull is always going to be popcorn worthy, another plus point.


If it was a racing incident then no penalties would be given. But the FIA have been very clear that Hamilton was at fault. Leclerc pretty much went off the road to give Lewis room through that corner. I don't think it's a corner you go through 2 cars wide and expect nothing to happen. After the sprint race, there was no way Hamilton was backing out of that move, regardless of how it turned out.

[SS454]

Love the part where he says we wouldn't understand if he tried to explain his reason for taking that line. Nothing that F1 fans need to know. Should get a stop & go just for that.

haha so true.

[SS454]

If it was a racing incident then no penalties would be given. But the FIA have been very clear that Hamilton was at fault. Leclerc pretty much went off the road to give Lewis room through that corner. I don't think it's a corner you go through 2 cars wide and expect nothing to happen. After the sprint race, there was no way Hamilton was backing out of that move, regardless of how it turned out.

I completely agree. Lewis has been losing to Max's very aggressive, but still fair battles all season. Lewis was trying to make a point. And one could make an argument that with all his experience and so many labeling the greatest driver ever, he would have known that Max would spin out, while he would likely just lose a front wing. No matter how it goes down, it was a bad decision by Hamilton that was extremely dangerous.

[tifosi1993]

If it was a racing incident then no penalties would be given. But the FIA have been very clear that Hamilton was at fault. Leclerc pretty much went off the road to give Lewis room through that corner. I don't think it's a corner you go through 2 cars wide and expect nothing to happen. After the sprint race, there was no way Hamilton was backing out of that move, regardless of how it turned out.

It was already deemed a racing incident and still is, hence no additional penalty is given today. And from what I've seen and read, Red Bull tried really hard to make the case seem like Hamilton deliberately took out Max. Which is totally expected from a team like Red Bull.

And Leclerc went offtrack because he braked quite late in his effort to keep Hamilton behind and carried more speed than normal, he did not went off track to give Hamilton space....come on, it's just a lousy suggestion.

And as @jgonzalesm6 said, crashes have had happened at the corner in the past, and it will happen again in the future.

And I've already said Hamilton is not going to back out anymore. Max always have been aggressive and pretty much have always gone over the boundary, his moto has always been "back out or we're gonna collide". In the past Ham/Vet/Rai, the 3 who suffered the most of Max's shenanigans have always backed out because they were fighting for the title. But things have changed this year. No one is going to back down against Max. Leclerc already gave Max his own medicine after Austria 2019 and continues to do so, others are now simply joining that party.

[tifosi1993]

I completely agree. Lewis has been losing to Max's very aggressive, but still fair battles all season. Lewis was trying to make a point. And one could make an argument that with all his experience and so many labeling the greatest driver ever, he would have known that Max would spin out, while he would likely just lose a front wing. No matter how it goes down, it was a bad decision by Hamilton that was extremely dangerous.

Or had Verstappen simply followed Charles's example and gave Hamilton enough room, not crashes would've happened. I mean...Hamilton had fought some hard battles against Vettel and Raikkonen both 2017 and 2018, and fought hard against Charles and Vettel for victories in 2019. And how many times you've saw him taking out either Charles/Vet/Rai?

Max on the other hand taking people out ever since he has joined F1. One is borderline aggressive and refuses to back down even when he should, the other pretty much always kept it clean on track, most of the times. You can't expect Hamilton to always back out because Max refuses to.

[Greig]

The stewards have dismissed Red Bull's request to review Hamilton's British Grand Prix penalty

[Greig]

Jon Noble

@NobleF1


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Fascinating that part of the evidence was a re-enactment of Hamilton's line through Copse that Red Bull got Alex Albon to do at a filming day at Silverstone last week




Red Bull lol really...:rotfl

[tifosi1993]

Awww....some here must be heartbroken with the verdict. Never knew Karen Horner and his hypocrite plus dumb star driver have so many fans here.

I thought as a Ferrari fan, we'll be enjoying the drama and hoping for more crashes between the dumb and the #blessed. But nah, some here had a bleeding heart for poor lil Max Verstappen.

[jgonzalesm6]

The stewards have dismissed Red Bull's request to review Hamilton's British Grand Prix penalty

:thumb......called it.

[SS454]

Or had Verstappen simply followed Charles's example and gave Hamilton enough room, not crashes would've happened. I mean...Hamilton had fought some hard battles against Vettel and Raikkonen both 2017 and 2018, and fought hard against Charles and Vettel for victories in 2019. And how many times you've saw him taking out either Charles/Vet/Rai?

Max on the other hand taking people out ever since he has joined F1. One is borderline aggressive and refuses to back down even when he should, the other pretty much always kept it clean on track, most of the times. You can't expect Hamilton to always back out because Max refuses to.

Max gave Lewis more than enough room. If Lewis wants to stuff his nose down the inside of a corner, it is his responsibility to stick to the apex. Instead he was a full car width off curb and was sliding out.

Where is this history of Max taking other drivers out? He has a history of being very aggressive, but he hasn't drove his car into someone else by his own stupid mistakes. Lewis on the other hand has done it many times.

By your standards, you should be calling this an attempted murder.

[SS454]

Awww....some here must be heartbroken with the verdict. Never knew Karen Horner and his hypocrite plus dumb star driver have so many fans here.

I thought as a Ferrari fan, we'll be enjoying the drama and hoping for more crashes between the dumb and the #blessed. But nah, some here had a bleeding heart for poor lil Max Verstappen.

Or as an F1 fan we want a fair championship. Not one where Mercedes gets any advantage Red Bull has banned by the FIA and when Lewis wrecks his rival without fair punishment. Twice Lewis has made major mistakes this season, both times he was able to fix his car under red flag conditions, and of course went on to win the race at Silverstone. Is it fair that his mistakes go without consequence while his competitors suffer the most?

[tifosi1993]

Max gave Lewis more than enough room. If Lewis wants to stuff his nose down the inside of a corner, it is his responsibility to stick to the apex. Instead he was a full car width off curb and was sliding out.

Where is this history of Max taking other drivers out? He has a history of being very aggressive, but he hasn't drove his car into someone else by his own stupid mistakes. Lewis on the other hand has done it many times.

By your standards, you should be calling this an attempted murder.

LOL. I can remember China 2018 quite instantly. And there are other examples, but I can't be bothered to post them here and fill up the entire thread.

It was a racing incident. Pure and simple. But I'm hoping for more. Dumb vs #Blessed fighting hard and taking each other out more often on track, and Karen Horner vs underdog Wolff throwing **** at each other off track.

[jgonzalesm6]

Where is this history of Max taking other drivers out? He has a history of being very aggressive, but he hasn't drove his car into someone else by his own stupid mistakes. .

ummmmm, Max took out Ricciardo in Hungary 2017. Look at the Youtube video.

[tifosi1993]

ummmmm, Max took out Ricciardo in Hungary 2017. Look at the Youtube video.

And almost killed Raikkonen in Spa 2019.

[SS454]

LOL. I can remember China 2018 quite instantly. And there are other examples, but I can't be bothered to post them here and fill up the entire thread.

It was a racing incident. Pure and simple. But I'm hoping for more. Dumb vs #Blessed fighting hard and taking each other out more often on track, and Karen Horner vs underdog Wolff throwing **** at each other off track.

Close to a racing incident, but 100% Lewis' fault. Max was ahead, gave room, and got clipped at 175 mph by a driver missing his corner. Verstappen makes a trip to the hospital, and Lewis makes a trip to victory lane.

Now F1 has set a president to wreck your rivals, as long as it is bad enough to induce a Red Flag so you can fix and improve your car, keep your position, and just suffer a 10 second penalty that can be served much later in the race.

[SS454]

ummmmm, Max took out Ricciardo in Hungary 2017. Look at the Youtube video.

That's a good example. 100% Verstappen's fault

One of the examples he got so much hate in his early career. I too did not like Max's driving style as he took things too far. His nonsense against Kimi at Spa, cutting the track in Mexico against Vettel. I don't think his "pass" on Leclerc at Austria 2019 was fair. He will bump and rub anyone that is for sure, but he doesn't have a long history of completely ruining the other guys race.

Call the incidents as they are and appoint fault where it is deserved. At Silverstone it was Lewis' fault.

[Greig]

Max gave Lewis more than enough room. If Lewis wants to stuff his nose down the inside of a corner, it is his responsibility to stick to the apex. Instead he was a full car width off curb and was sliding out.

Where is this history of Max taking other drivers out? He has a history of being very aggressive, but he hasn't drove his car into someone else by his own stupid mistakes. Lewis on the other hand has done it many times.

By your standards, you should be calling this an attempted murder.

Try his attack on Seb in China for a start....

[Greig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAoSghdD6Y

[Tifoso Svedese]

maFIA scum giving the entity a free title as usual, nothing to see here :-ZZ The most mind-boggling thing is that there are online retards on Autosport etc defending the lunatic's driving.

[jgonzalesm6]

maFIA scum giving the entity a free title as usual, nothing to see here :-ZZ The most mind-boggling thing is that there are online retards on Autosport etc defending the lunatic's driving.

Try taking some valium or xanax to calm yourself down. Don't get so worked up with the vitriol and myopic mindest of yours.

btw, I have worked with mentally challenged or physically challenged people or both. The word you used is somewhat outdated.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Try taking some valium or xanax to calm yourself down. Don't get so worked up with the vitriol and myopic mindest of yours.

btw, I have worked with mentally challenged or physically challenged people or both. The word you used is somewhat outdated.

:rotfl

Aw ok.

It fits better for people who appear to be normal but have developed Merceditis blocking neurons from working properly by drinking the Toto kool aid for too long...

Hammy wrecked another driver at 170 mph straight into the barrier and then claims he did nothing wrong. He's the guy who needs some pills to cool down.

[jgonzalesm6]

:rotfl

Aw ok.

It fits better for people who appear to be normal but have developed Merceditis blocking neurons from working properly by drinking the Toto kool aid for too long...

Hammy wrecked another driver at 170 mph straight into the barrier and then claims he did nothing wrong. He's the guy who needs some pills to cool down.

I get it okay. You think Lewis is the only F1 driver to knock some one out of the race in the corner in the history of F1????

The only thing I did'nt like about the situation was the penatly......10sec....pffft. It should have been a stop-and-go penalty and possibly, quite possibly Leclerc would have won the race. Leclerc would not have won on merit but I would have taken it anyway.

[SS454]

I get it okay. You think Lewis is the only F1 driver to knock some one out of the race in the corner in the history of F1????

The only thing I did'nt like about the situation was the penatly......10sec....pffft. It should have been a stop-and-go penalty and possibly, quite possibly Leclerc would have won the race. Leclerc would not have won on merit but I would have taken it anyway.

Once the 10 second penalty was given, it was the end of the situation for the most part. It was deemed Lewis' fault by the Stewarts, and a penalty was awarded. Yes it was the second weakest penalty they could have given, and that may leave a bitter taste in some of our mouths, but we move on from here.

Until F1 comes to their senses and changes the Red Flag rules, or the penalty system which will NEVER make everyone happy, we just have to live with it.

The good news is it gives some drama for future races. Will Lewis continue to make mistakes? Will Max be even more aggressive against Lewis? Will the teams use their second drivers as pawns to destroy their competitors races?

I honestly think a team could deliberately wreck a competitor and then openly accept a 10 second penalty. The word deliberately will be very grey too. It could just be the idea of putting the car in a dicey situation and make the driver in the right have to choose avoidance or wreck.

[Silent Bob]

It was already deemed a racing incident and still is, hence no additional penalty is given today. And from what I've seen and read, Red Bull tried really hard to make the case seem like Hamilton deliberately took out Max. Which is totally expected from a team like Red Bull.

And Leclerc went offtrack because he braked quite late in his effort to keep Hamilton behind and carried more speed than normal, he did not went off track to give Hamilton space....come on, it's just a lousy suggestion.

And as @jgonzalesm6 said, crashes have had happened at the corner in the past, and it will happen again in the future.

And I've already said Hamilton is not going to back out anymore. Max always have been aggressive and pretty much have always gone over the boundary, his moto has always been "back out or we're gonna collide". In the past Ham/Vet/Rai, the 3 who suffered the most of Max's shenanigans have always backed out because they were fighting for the title. But things have changed this year. No one is going to back down against Max. Leclerc already gave Max his own medicine after Austria 2019 and continues to do so, others are now simply joining that party.


Awww....some here must be heartbroken with the verdict. Never knew Karen Horner and his hypocrite plus dumb star driver have so many fans here.

I thought as a Ferrari fan, we'll be enjoying the drama and hoping for more crashes between the dumb and the #blessed. But nah, some here had a bleeding heart for poor lil Max Verstappen.




Regardless of Max's history, I am looking at and discussing, this incident. Hamilton was forcing a line through that corner that was never going to work. Max had the corner, left room, and Hamilton hit him. Simple. Everyone agrees Hamilton was at fault or he wouldn't have gotten the penalty.

You know it is possible to discuss or debate a topic without having to like either of the drivers. My opinion is that Max earned that corner and was fair with the amount of room he left. I'm not a huge Max fan, although I think he is one of the best on the grid and I'm not much of a Ham fan although I think he is one of the best on the grid. And I wasn't hoping for any further penalties to be given during this hearing. Although it would have given us a win, proper penalties should be given out as soon after the incident as possible.
And yes, I do hope that there will be more clashes between Max and Ham, and I would like to see Max come out on top because I'm getting tired of Merc winning all the time and I'm really tired of Toto and his sanctimonious attitude. He needs to be brought down a notch and unfortunately, it looks like Red Bull is the only team able to do it at the moment.

[Brembo]

it certainly should be possible to discuss or debate a topic without having to like either driver or a team. Acknowledging for example a 1st 2nd or 3rd place driver after a race doesn't mean he's your favorite over your teams drivers. Max coming out without injuries was the best news.

[Redfive]

Anyone else doing such a dangerous and reckless move at such a high speed corner would have a serious penalty. They gave Ham 10 seconds for two reasons:-
1 - They knew it would not stop him winning his home race
2 - They hoped it would appear like they punished him

Anyone with half a clue knows that Lewis is the FIA's goldenboy and will never be properly punished for anything. This "sport" is corrupt

[Tifoso Svedese]

Anyone else doing such a dangerous and reckless move at such a high speed corner would have a serious penalty. They gave Ham 10 seconds for two reasons:-
1 - They knew it would not stop him winning his home race
2 - They hoped it would appear like they punished him

Anyone with half a clue knows that Lewis is the FIA's goldenboy and will never be properly punished for anything. This "sport" is corrupt

Yes.

The most baffling thing is that people compare causing an incident at 170 mph leading to a 51G impact to just punting a driver off in a hairpin. They're not even in the same universe.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The cheating scumbag Toto just can't shut up can he?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/wolff-boos-against-hamilton-consequence-of-silverstone-fallout/6640004/

[SS454]

The cheating scumbag Toto just can't shut up can he?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/wolff-boos-against-hamilton-consequence-of-silverstone-fallout/6640004/

"cheating scumbag" has no relevance to his words about booing, though maybe Mercedes should send out a public statement about how people shouldn't dislike Lewis Hamilton.

Surely Toto can understand that mayyyybe people were booing because Mercedes ruined the exciting closing minute of qualifying on purpose? This coming 2 weeks after Lewis dangerously takes out Max to go on and win the race surely doesn't help.

[Tifoso Svedese]

:rotfl

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-hopes-red-bull-reflects-on-unacceptable-remarks/6640336/

Can't he just pull off what the gymnast did and take a year off to deal with his issues? People boo him because they despise his sick attitude it's been like that for ages now.

[SS454]

:rotfl

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-hopes-red-bull-reflects-on-unacceptable-remarks/6640336/

Can't he just pull off what the gymnast did and take a year off to deal with his issues? People boo him because they despise his sick attitude it's been like that for ages now.

So Lewis blames Red Bull for getting boo'd. No way it could be because he screwed over Red Bull in qualifying.

[Tifoso Svedese]

So Lewis blames Red Bull for getting boo'd. No way it could be because he screwed over Red Bull in qualifying.

Well now he blames covid for being tired after races too... he sure likes to be the hero and seeking the media's attention doesn't he? Let's be honest if he had actual long covid then he wouldn't be able to drive a full race at all. Especially at a track like Hungaroring which has constant high g-loads. No way. He probably is just getting older and that's fine. No-one stays 25 forever :-?? I assume most drivers feel more worn out when they hit their mid-30's after a long race on a demanding track.

Hell, even from age 30 to 20 I feel a lot of difference in my physical exercise. My peak is just as good if not better but recovery takes ages in comparison.

[Greig]

Well now he blames covid for being tired after races too... he sure likes to be the hero and seeking the media's attention doesn't he? Let's be honest if he had actual long covid then he wouldn't be able to drive a full race at all. Especially at a track like Hungaroring which has constant high g-loads. No way. He probably is just getting older and that's fine. No-one stays 25 forever :-?? I assume most drivers feel more worn out when they hit their mid-30's after a long race on a demanding track.

Hell, even from age 30 to 20 I feel a lot of difference in my physical exercise. My peak is just as good if not better but recovery takes ages in comparison.

Have you had covid? Do you have long covid to know how it makes a person feel? Or are you just lashing out still?

[SS454]

Have you had covid? Do you have long covid to know how it makes a person feel? Or are you just lashing out still?

I haven't heard of the athletes in the NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL, etc complain of covid effects nearly a year after being diagnosed. These athletes sports are a lot more taxing on the lungs than auto racing. Well maybe not baseball.

[Greig]

I haven't heard of the athletes in the NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL, etc complain of covid effects nearly a year after being diagnosed. These athletes sports are a lot more taxing on the lungs than auto racing. Well maybe not baseball.

Ah so like racism it does not exsist unless you see it?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Have you had covid? Do you have long covid to know how it makes a person feel? Or are you just lashing out still?

Hard to tell. Not confirmed. February 2020 was possible because of the incredible dry cough I had. I'll give it 50/50. I was a bit out of shape for a week or so afterwards. Then again since I don't know what it was it's hard to speculate.

[SS454]

Ah so like racism it does not exsist unless you see it?

I never said that, please do not claim that I did.

I think Tifoso Svedes is making a responsible assumption. Given the hundreds, if not thousands of pro athletes that have been diagnosed with Covid who play sports that actually stress the LUNGS which is what covid primarily attacks, IF Lewis had any actual symptoms. The reports said he was fine, but that's about it. Who knows how hard it hit him. This post covid symptom some 8 months later seems to resemble that of an unhealthy person that is much older, much more out of shape, or has an existing lung condition. Very unusual for a person of his physical conditioning.

What I did see or should I see didn't see is Lewis or any driver for that matter get out of the car huffing and puffing from a lack of oxygen like they ran a marathon. In fact I can't recall a situation that a driver ever got out of the car at the end of the race gasping for air. I did see that 21 minutes after the race ended, Lewis Hamilton appeared to struggle to step onto the podium. This would seem to fall more inline with dehydration than with a post covid symptom. It would be insulting to suggest any other F1 driver, or race car driver in general, that Lewis Hamilton drives harder than anyone else, and this particular race was more exhausting for him than anyone else, perhaps ever. How often do you see drivers physically unable to stand up or difficulty walking after a race?

I, like Tifoso Svedese can form an opinion from the information available. I would believe it was a physically difficult race. But I also think Lewis is milking it and I personally do not believe the covid story. Lewis has a history of trying to promote himself as an underdog or some sort of hero. Not unreasonable for some to question his authenticity.

[Greig]

I never said that, please do not claim that I did.

I think Tifoso Svedes is making a responsible assumption. Given the hundreds, if not thousands of pro athletes that have been diagnosed with Covid who play sports that actually stress the LUNGS which is what covid primarily attacks, IF Lewis had any actual symptoms. The reports said he was fine, but that's about it. Who knows how hard it hit him. This post covid symptom some 8 months later seems to resemble that of an unhealthy person that is much older, much more out of shape, or has an existing lung condition. Very unusual for a person of his physical conditioning.

What I did see or should I see didn't see is Lewis or any driver for that matter get out of the car huffing and puffing from a lack of oxygen like they ran a marathon. In fact I can't recall a situation that a driver ever got out of the car at the end of the race gasping for air. I did see that 21 minutes after the race ended, Lewis Hamilton appeared to struggle to step onto the podium. This would seem to fall more inline with dehydration than with a post covid symptom. It would be insulting to suggest any other F1 driver, or race car driver in general, that Lewis Hamilton drives harder than anyone else, and this particular race was more exhausting for him than anyone else, perhaps ever. How often do you see drivers physically unable to stand up or difficulty walking after a race?

I, like Tifoso Svedese can form an opinion from the information available. I would believe it was a physically difficult race. But I also think Lewis is milking it and I personally do not believe the covid story. Lewis has a history of trying to promote himself as an underdog or some sort of hero. Not unreasonable for some to question his authenticity.

You can just say you hate him and it would be a lot easier :-) Maybe covid is not real either like the racist comments....p.s we had to delete a racist comment today on the forum perhaps I should have left it for you to witness?

Lewis put today down to hydration also so no idea why your getting all worked up....he was only saying he has found training harder since he had covid and having more fatigue...but perhaps you can diagnose it better for him.

p.s a quick google can bring up a few articles about pro athletes talking about the effect even mild covid symptoms had on them and their training for months....but again perhaps they are just trying to big themselves up also....

[SS454]

You can just say you hate him and it would be a lot easier :-) Maybe covid is not real either like the racist comments....p.s we had to delete a racist comment today on the forum perhaps I should have left it for you to witness?

Lewis put today down to hydration also so no idea why your getting all worked up....he was only saying he has found training harder since he had covid and having more fatigue...but perhaps you can diagnose it better for him.

I was just saying Tifoso Svedes has good reason to not buy into Lewis blaming covid for his fatigue. You smashed down his opinion because he may or may not have had covid. I provided information that could give reasonable doubt to a covid excuse used by Lewis. Lewis has control of his actions and words, don't blame people from seeing him looking for a pity party.

You are right, I don't like Lewis Hamilton. It starts as simple as him being a rival. I didn't like Hakkinen, I didn't like Alonso, as they were both rivals to the Ferrari drivers. Even if I do not like Hamilton, it doesn't stop me from giving him credit and praises when he deserves it. In recent threads, I was one that said he did not deserve to be DQ'd from Silverstone, and I gave him praises for his driving today at Hungary. I also felt he earned pole position in Silverstone and felt he was robbed of it by the stupid Sprint Race. But I am not a sheep and I don't simply believe what he or the media says if there is evidence that supports something else. Obviously I am not afraid to go against the masses and challenge things.

As for the racist comments you delete. Maybe you should edit them respectfully, and let it be known who it was and ban them from the forum. People should be held accountable, but also have the right to appeal. Racism should not be tolerated. Having said that, what some consider as racism is getting extremely iffy. Now days you almost can't say you like a white shirt over a black shirt at risk of being called a racist... hence the right to appeal.

[Greig]

I was just saying Tifoso Svedes has good reason to not buy into Lewis blaming covid for his fatigue. You smashed down his opinion because he may or may not have had covid. I provided information that could give reasonable doubt to a covid excuse used by Lewis. Lewis has control of his actions and words, don't blame people from seeing him looking for a pity party.

You are right, I don't like Lewis Hamilton. It starts as simple as him being a rival. I didn't like Hakkinen, I didn't like Alonso, as they were both rivals to the Ferrari drivers. Even if I do not like Hamilton, it doesn't stop me from giving him credit and praises when he deserves it. In recent threads, I was one that said he did not deserve to be DQ'd from Silverstone, and I gave him praises for his driving today at Hungary. I also felt he earned pole position in Silverstone and felt he was robbed of it by the stupid Sprint Race. But I am not a sheep and I don't simply believe what he or the media says if there is evidence that supports something else. Obviously I am not afraid to go against the masses and challenge things.

So you and he have no idea if covid has affected his training and health or not. What evidence do you have that supports covid has not affected him just like the racist comments because you have not seen it or experienced it then it does not exist right.....

Why are you so worked up about him saying he still feels the effects of covid in his training? He is hardly getting a candle lit vigil for saying it is he lol nobody is taking pity on him for saying it.

[SS454]

So you and he have no idea if covid has affected his training and health or not. What evidence do you have that supports covid has not affected him just like the racist comments because you have not seen it or experienced it then it does not exist right.....

Why are you so worked up about him saying he still feels the effects of covid in his training? He is hardly getting a candle lit vigil for saying it is he lol nobody is taking pity on him for saying it.

You are giving him pity. Ocon gave him pity. Sky Sports is giving him pity. There are already 50 news stories on his fatigue and "post covid" comments.

Why would he even mention it? Could he have been more dramatic on the podium? Watch the athletes at he Olympics and they are less dramatic after running a triathlon. If you said he is saying his fatigue is from dehydration, what does that have to do with covid from 8 months ago, and why even mention it? Am I getting worked up about it? Well no more than you are defending the legitimacy of his "condition".

Kimi goes a race without a drink bottle, twice... doesn't fall over in dehydration. Fighters will cut 20 lbs by dehydrating and NOT act like they cant lift their legs. Lewis had the whole race to drink fluids, then 20 minutes to rehydrate afterwards. He then acts like he can barely stand up, can't get onto the podium without help, according to you says it was from hydration and then chooses to say its a side effect from "long covid". It reminds me of when Lebron James had his teammates carry him off the floor because of cramping. He's also known for flopping and calling for a pity party too. I don't deny Lewis was exhausted and fatigued, but I completely think he was milking it to try to come off as some warrior or hero. Why is that a big deal you ask? To say the least it isn't right to feed off the public's caring for your own personal benefit. Remember Lance Armstrong's pity campaign? He made millions of dollars and had millions of fans and became the face of the Tour de France and American cycling by using his cancer as a way to people's generosity.

[Greig]

You are giving him pity. Ocon gave him pity. Sky Sports is giving him pity. There are already 50 news stories on his fatigue and "post covid" comments.

Why would he even mention it? Could he have been more dramatic on the podium? Watch the athletes at he Olympics and they are less dramatic after running a triathlon. If you said he is saying his fatigue is from dehydration, what does that have to do with covid from 8 months ago, and why even mention it? Am I getting worked up about it? Well no more than you are defending the legitimacy of his "condition".

Kimi goes a race without a drink bottle, twice... doesn't fall over in dehydration. Fighters will cut 20 lbs by dehydrating and NOT act like they cant lift their legs. Lewis had the whole race to drink fluids, then 20 minutes to rehydrate afterwards. He then acts like he can barely stand up, can't get onto the podium without help, according to you says it was from hydration and then chooses to say its a side effect from "long covid". It reminds me of when Lebron James had his teammates carry him off the floor because of cramping. He's also known for flopping and calling for a pity party too. I don't deny Lewis was exhausted and fatigued, but I completely think he was milking it to try to come off as some warrior or hero. Why is that a big deal you ask? To say the least it isn't right to feed off the public's caring for your own personal benefit. Remember Lance Armstrong's pity campaign? He made millions of dollars and had millions of fans and became the face of the Tour de France and American cycling by using his cancer as a way to people's generosity.

When did I give him pity?

If you think it was all an act then so be it rather pointless posting any further.

[Warp]

I don't understand why there are so many anti-Hamilton comments.

Almost all drivers said it was a racing incident and in my opinion the penalty was fair enough. Nothing less, nothing more.

Do you remember what penalty Vettel got for crashing into Hamilton at Baku 2017?

[stefa]

I also don't buy this exortion after the race at all. It is a play. I bet if he won the race he would be jumping all over the place!

[Tony]

Personally Max has accrued some bad karma for some of his past antics and it's swinging back towards him this year. Couldn't care less about LH or MV either way. All I hope for is that Ferrari is competitive next year...

[Silent Bob]

Giovanzzi 10 sec stop and go for speeding in the pit lane. Hamilton 10 sec for taking a car out of a race. Bottas takes out 4 cars and gets 5 place grid drop. Something doesnt jive.

[aroutis]

Giovanzzi 10 sec stop and go for speeding in the pit lane. Hamilton 10 sec for taking a car out of a race. Bottas takes out 4 cars and gets 5 place grid drop. Something doesnt jive.

When are people going to understand that Merc is ruling the sport? :)
Toto said it best. It was an minor mistake with a huge impact. Honestly I was shocked that Bottas even got this much of a penalty at all.

[20000rpm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZUOGKTzxyE

Pretty interesting tactic, I would say!

[Nick Singer]

Never mind! Just keep 'taking the knee', you utter sheep!

[Brembo]

Never mind! Just keep 'taking the knee', you utter sheep!

Ithink you meant goat not sheep! :rotfl