Hungarian GP 2021 : Practices and Qualifying

[jgonzalesm6]

Let's see how Max's crashed ICE does in FP1.

[330 p4]

Let's see how Max's crashed ICE does in FP1.

I'd rather focus on how Ferrari are doing. Leclerc has said he is not great against his teammates here and so far Sainz looks to have a few tenths on him. Of course RB and Merc are expected to be faster so as usual this year I am looking at all the cars behind those two and how Ferrari fit in. Seems good so far.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/ZLkIfQs.jpg

[Tifoso Svedese]

With Bottas on it already a podium looks unlikely then, meh...

I guess there's a lot of focus on tyre durability right now though considering Budapest will be blazingly hot this weekend so there might be some more pace at hand.

[PURE PASSION]

The 1st picture doesnt look so good!!! both on the fast lap and on race pace. our times mirrors our place on the timeshit . Around 10th for both our drivers. i was expecting a better picture on this track. On the other hand ,on the last races, more or less we kind of hiding our true pace. we will see !!

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/JKJ9Dtw.jpg

[Tifoso Svedese]

There's no way in hell the car that took pole in Monaco would be 0.7 s off (Sainz) in S3 which basically is a carbon copy of that track. Looks like they were just trying race setups more than anything.

[Warp]

There's no way in hell the car that took pole in Monaco would be 0.7 s off (Sainz) in S3 which basically is a carbon copy of that track. Looks like they were just trying race setups more than anything.

Ferrari said they dont expect a Monaco performance. The heat didn't help us either.

Layout is similar to Monaco but current cars carry so much downforce and they can go really fast around Hungarian track.

[ntukza]

I hope these times are due to focusing on race pace again.

[tpe]

I don't expect anything better than 7-8 on quali. For the race, we will see.

[jgonzalesm6]

I don't expect anything better than 7-8 on quali. For the race, we will see.

What IF mother nature throws a kink into qualifying and the race?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Strong thunderstorms forecast for southern Slovakia on Sunday so that might play a role considering Budapest is close to the border.

[JPMFerrari]

I hope these times are due to focusing on race pace again.

I doubt it. We just aren't that fast.

[Brembo]

I hope these times are due to focusing on race pace again.

I believe that's what Ferrari is focusing on; the race; esp our two drivers. Just look where focusing on quali has gotten Williams drivers and team come race time !

[jgonzalesm6]

Forecast says 80% of rain this morning and 40% for tomorrow. Max temp 28C today but over 30C tomorrow.

[gmpe23]

https://scuderiafans.com/carlos-sainz-takes-final-penalty-free-power-unit-change-as-ferrari-break-curfew/

[PURE PASSION]

much better (us we expected) . lets see in 2 hours!!!

[Tifoso Svedese]

P4-P5 looks to clearly be within reach providing Pérez can't figure S2 out. Then again, I think Leclerc will find some extra tenths when it matters to put himself well within half a second - he did a rather good time on old mediums mid-session.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Still, rather disappointing that just turns 4, 5 and 11 can screw up so much for the car. Seems like they have to deliberately set the car up for that - negating mechanical grip in S3 which should be the car's strong sector.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/t3ZsEZs.jpg

[Alonsomaniac]

Allways stay positive: Charles will qualify in 4th place and at the start he will pass Bottas. Podium.:-)

[patrese86]

Looks more positive than yesterday. Thought we'd be a bit quicker through S3

[gump1480]

Looks more positive than yesterday. Thought we'd be a bit quicker through S3

Looks like we are preserving our tires through S3....could be a compromise for race. Hope we can qualify ahead of Perez and Norris come Q3.

[Lesky]

So have HAM,VER, BOT in top 3 in varying orders in 95% of all sessions this season, with Perez alternating between 4th and 12th. It just is not a coincidence anymore, right? How good are Verstappen or how immensly bad are Perez? This years Red Bull is much better than previous cars but still Perez is struggling mightily. Red Bull must be so frustrated their 2nd driver cant even see the back of Hamiltons car outside of street races all seasong long. Perez is literally useless to them.

[20000rpm]

So have HAM,VER, BOT in top 3 in varying orders in 95% of all sessions this season, with Perez alternating between 4th and 12th. It just is not a coincidence anymore, right? How good are Verstappen or how immensly bad are Perez? This years Red Bull is much better than previous cars but still Perez is struggling mightily. Red Bull must be so frustrated their 2nd driver cant even see the back of Hamiltons car outside of street races all seasong long. Perez is literally useless to them.

I know right.. The same can also be said about the MCL drivers. While Norris is usually ahead in the pack, Ric somehow is behind, atleast in the race. But yeah, Kudos to both the Merc drivers for staying in close proximity to each other though it may not work at times.(Baku)

[ntukza]

I believe that's what Ferrari is focusing on; the race; esp our two drivers. Just look where focusing on quali has gotten Williams drivers and team come race time !

Fairly close to the top 10 on numerous ocassions. Not bad at all.

[ntukza]

So have HAM,VER, BOT in top 3 in varying orders in 95% of all sessions this season, with Perez alternating between 4th and 12th. It just is not a coincidence anymore, right? How good are Verstappen or how immensly bad are Perez? This years Red Bull is much better than previous cars but still Perez is struggling mightily. Red Bull must be so frustrated their 2nd driver cant even see the back of Hamiltons car outside of street races all seasong long. Perez is literally useless to them.

True. Perez's performance should be very worrying.

[stefa]

CS nice lap

[stefa]

CL 1st lap was really bad

[stefa]

Perez really sucks today

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well, I think the refusal to promote Sainz to the main team has come back to haunt Red Bull big-time.

That being said, it's obvious Mercedes is the fastest package because there's no way Bottas is that much faster than Pérez.

[KimiBot]

Perez really sucks today

It is called "Max effect"...always his team mates looks really bad.

[stefa]

CS crashed at final corner

[Tifoso Svedese]

Might as well take engine four already tomorrow and start from the pits then.

[patrese86]

Christ!

Ruined his weekend. Again

[stefa]

Great :furious

[tifosi1993]

First major qualifying mistake from Sainz this year. It happens.

But we need to maximize our potential at tracks like Hungary. Now he's in for a pretty tough race tomorrow.

[gump1480]

Every qualifying we have one of our driver screwing up the entire weekend.

[KimiBot]

Christ!

Ruined his weekend. Again

Does it really matter..waiting next year and or 2025

[stefa]

Starting 14th tomorrow on this track he just might set it back, as it is impossible to overtake

[patrese86]

Does it really matter..waiting next year and or 2025

What are you still doing here then?

[tifosi1993]

Every qualifying we have one of our driver screwing up the entire weekend.

Is it? Leclerc crashed in Monaco but got pole, and today is Sainz's first major mistake. But according to you, both of them messing up their qualifying. May be you can show us the data, just to prove than you are not living in an alternate reality.

[KimiBot]

What are you still doing here then?

waiting next year and or 2025

[20000rpm]

I think Carlos had understeer from what I see from the video.

[tifosi1993]

What are you still doing here then?

Guy is a troll. He showed up when Raikkonen was announced back in 2014 but hasn't left yet, unlike his idol. Just put him on ignore list, trust me, you wouldn't be missing on anything, unless you enjoy reading Ferrari bashing.

[PURE PASSION]

On 2nd tries ,Lec wasn't so good.
Is it the rise of temperatures???!!!!!

[20000rpm]

Will Carlos be under any penalty? I think the car will be repaired under Parc Ferme which entitles to some penalty, right?

[tifosi1993]

On 2nd tries ,Lec wasn't so good.
Is it the rise of temperatures???!!!!!

Track evaluation. He and Bottas were the first two set time, those who set their time toward the end have improved massively.

[stefa]

It seams Mercedes front row lock up!

[stefa]

CL 5th

[stefa]

Shame CS crashed, we could use this track where we are clearly better than McLaren to gain some points on them

[stefa]

Shame CS crashed, we could use this track where we are clearly better than McLaren to gain some points on them

I take back what I have said! We suck!

[tifosi1993]

P7 for Charles. Only 0.013 behind Gasly and 0.075 behind Perez in P4.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Complete disaster.

Also please give the scum a grid penalty for his antics.

[ferrari1.8t]

Incoming Hamilton “red Bull is the faster car, I had to work so hard for that pole, poor me”

Merc was never slower. Just like the year Vettel was ahead of Hamilton…then after the summer break, Hamilton won all the races.

[330 p4]

Disappointing for Ferrari but rather they have a great Sunday if you can only have one. So close from 4th to 7th.

[tpe]

Will Carlos be under any penalty? I think the car will be repaired under Parc Ferme which entitles to some penalty, right?

N.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/S8hajkb.jpg

[tpe]

So:
Leclerc did a relatively good job, provided that he doesn't like Hungaroring.
Sainz did an awful job and the good thing is that he is OK. (I start to get the feeling that he is loosing a lot of ground from CL).

Hamilton proved how dirty he is. If it was Schumacher doing this, the British press would scream to DSQ him.
It's not only that he ensured that Perez could not start his lap, but (as his times proves) he went just that fast so as to ensure that MV could not go faster! Yes, a brilliant execution, still completely unsportsmanlike.

I can't wait until the time the fanboys will scream racism for the booing.

[ntukza]

Disappointing in the end but we hope for a better day tomorrow.

[tifosi1993]

So:
Leclerc did a relatively good job, provided that he doesn't like Hungaroring.
Sainz did an awful job and the good thing is that he is OK. (I start to get the feeling that he is loosing a lot of ground from CL).

Hamilton proved how dirty he is. If it was Schumacher doing this, the British press would scream to DSQ him.
It's not only that he ensured that Perez could not start his lap, but (as his times proves) he went just that fast so as to ensure that MV could not go faster! Yes, a brilliant execution, still completely unsportsmanlike.

I can't wait until the time the fanboys will scream racism for the booing.

But it's good. Just think, Hamilton's behavior today must have made mad Max angry. So he will be extra pumped for tomorrow, especially at the start. But Hamilton is not going to give him any room at start and will do everything to stay ahead.

I can see either one of them or both of them not surviving the first lap. Which is a fantastic thing, the drama after that will be even more spicy than Silverstone.

TBH, I just want to see both Merc and Red Bull to implode. Can't stand either of them.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I can't wait until the time the fanboys will scream racism for the booing.

Don't worry the maFIA, the capita$$list L-media boys and der Toto führer already have a statement ready about that :rotfl

[hakanabi]

Ham should be penalised for almost stopping so max and perez can't do a second run but unlikely, if it was any other driver, the whole paddock would be screaming.
Very dirty and unsportmanlike.

[Warp]

He didn't do anything wrong. It's within the rules. Full blame on Redbull for that terrible strategy.

[stefa]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7824&stc=1
We are in for one long, hot, boring 1-2 Mercedes win race tomorrow

[Lesky]

We are in for one long, hot, boring 1-2 Mercedes win race tomorrow

Feck that. Hope Max wipes out Lewis at the start and both retire, that would be the best outcome. Sadly Bottas will take out Max once before the season is over to get a new contract.

[KimiBot]

Ham should be penalised for almost stopping so max and perez can't do a second run but unlikely, if it was any other driver, the whole paddock would be screaming.
Very dirty and unsportmanlike.

That was the reason when crowd was booing?

[Lesky]

"I don't make any tactical plays. We have the fastest car. Those who give comments like that have no idea what's going on. Which also explains why they are not here." - Hamilton.

Said after running 2 seconds of pace to ruin Max lap and standing still in the pits, what a douche.

[WS6TransAm01]

Remember when Alonso delayed Two Chains McDouche Canoe in quali at this very track and got a 5 grid spot penalty? Remember McLaren we’re barred from scoring any Constructors points?

We remember, but I’m sure the FIA forgot.

So delaying your teammate is a 5 grid spot penalty, delaying another competitor is totally cool. Obviously as long as Mrs Take-A-Knee comes out on top, anything is legal.

F Hamilton.

[jgonzalesm6]

Remember when Alonso delayed Two Chains McDouche Canoe in quali at this very track and got a 5 grid spot penalty? Remember McLaren we’re barred from scoring any Constructors points?

We remember, but I’m sure the FIA forgot.

So delaying your teammate is a 5 grid spot penalty, delaying another competitor is totally cool. Obviously as long as Mrs Take-A-Knee comes out on top, anything is legal.

F Hamilton.

I thnk you're confusing with what happened in 2007 in Hungary with Lewis-Alonso and what happened today with Lewis driving slow.

2007 Hungary--> There were 2 nicidents wth Lewis and Alonso during qualifying. The first incident was Lewis slowing down Alonso on the track even though Mclaren orderd Lewis to let Alonso by. The 2nd incident was n the pits, when Mclaren double stacked the pair....Alonso was first and then Lewis came next....BUT the pit crew released Alonso but Alonso did'nt move and waited an extra 10sec causing valuable time against Lewis who was waiting. Lewis missed qualiyng by 3sec.. Ron was furious at the stunt in the pits.

That's where the 5 grid spot penalty to Alonso came from.....the pit incident.

[DIEK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw0MG2hmFSo

[wisepie]

Disappointing quali for sure, and silly games being played by certain drivers, don't really understand what happened at the end of Q3 as Charles slipped down to P7 late on, was he affected by HAM's mucking about? No word on any additional penalty for Carlos after impeding Vettel's lap in Q1? Bad enough he will start way back unless they start him from the pitlane, depending on the damage found. Not a good day but our race pace may be OK if both drivers survive the start, everyone on softs except those damn Mercs. Are you there stefa?:roll

[stefa]

Disappointing quali for sure, and silly games being played by certain drivers, don't really understand what happened at the end of Q3 as Charles slipped down to P7 late on, was he affected by HAM's mucking about? No word on any additional penalty for Carlos after impeding Vettel's lap in Q1? Bad enough he will start way back unless they start him from the pitlane, depending on the damage found. Not a good day but our race pace may be OK if both drivers survive the start, everyone on softs except those damn Mercs. Are you there stefa?:roll

Hi. Thanx for asking. No. I choose not to go this year. With Covid and everything that this F1 is now, and Ferrari really not competitive, I've choose not to throw a way money to see LH win.

[20000rpm]

Good decision @stefa..

[WS6TransAm01]

I thnk you're confusing with what happened in 2007 in Hungary with Lewis-Alonso and what happened today with Lewis driving slow.

2007 Hungary--> There were 2 nicidents wth Lewis and Alonso during qualifying. The first incident was Lewis slowing down Alonso on the track even though Mclaren orderd Lewis to let Alonso by. The 2nd incident was n the pits, when Mclaren double stacked the pair....Alonso was first and then Lewis came next....BUT the pit crew released Alonso but Alonso did'nt move and waited an extra 10sec causing valuable time against Lewis who was waiting. Lewis missed qualiyng by 3sec.. Ron was furious at the stunt in the pits.

That's where the 5 grid spot penalty to Alonso came from.....the pit incident.

Not confusing it one bit. I’m specifically talking about Alonso delaying Mrs Take-a-Knee, and getting a penalty. Alonso did this for the same reason Pander Burn-ish-down delayed Max today. To ensure he would keep his pole position.

He did the same thing Alonso did and is not sitting on the pole. Alonso got a penalty, it won’t.

[SS454]

So impeding drivers in qualifying isn't worth penalties anymore? I haven't heard anything on Sainz impeding the AlphaTauri, but if the Alpha was on a flying lap, that 100% deserves a penalty.

Then of course Lewis deliberately impeding the Red Bulls. It appears Bottas was super slow on his outlap, so maybe it was a Mercedes thing and both deserve penalties. I am disgusted with the British biased media talking about how it was just good tactics. It was terrible sportsmanship, to me I can't see how that isn't considered illegal, it ruins what fans pay money to watch, and damages the sport. Then when the crowd rightfully boo's Hamilton, Herbert has the nerve to tell them to shut up and appreciate Lewis? Come on!

Rosberg says the rules state the drivers are supposed to 1:30 or faster between a given section, and Lewis did 1:50. Maybe every driver went slower than that so the penalties would be moot, who knows.

It's funny that the same track (Hungary) that the FIA penalized Alonso - Mclaren for impeding Lewis, and Lewis gets away with doing something very similar. Biased Sky Sports are praising Lewis instead. What a joke.

At this point, I would start using Perez to run straight into Lewis each race.

[tifosi1993]

I don't know why some are fussing about today and making a mountain out of a molehill. Had Hamilton stopped in the pitlane on Max's path and blocked both him and Perez, it would've been a slam-dunk penalty. But that's not what had happened today.

And if the usual suspects here had followed the driver tracker, they would've known that the gap stayed consistent between all the drivers. Hamilton wasn't too close to Bottas nor he was far behind. The delta between him and Bottas was the same as the delta between Charles-Alonso, Alonso-Norris and Norris-Ocon.

https://i.imgur.com/UdaBZar.jpg

Facts don't care about your emotion.

Hamilton's last out lap was faster than his pole lap-outlap. Mercedes-Hamilton simply used their provisional pole position as an advantage and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[tifosi1993]

He didn't do anything wrong. It's within the rules. Full blame on Redbull for that terrible strategy.

Nah...that would mean using their brain cells.

Also Max-Red Bull can't do anything wrong, Hamilton-Mercedes is always wrong. :lol

That's why the usual suspects here always resort to conspiracy and anger rather than simple common sense. But fortunately, F1 is a data driven sport. So it always get hilarious when they get angry and post their nonsense theories and what not.

[tpe]

I don't know why some are fussing about today and making a mountain out of a molehill. Had Hamilton stopped in the pitlane on Max's path and blocked both him and Perez, it would've been a slam-dunk penalty. But that's not what had happened today.

And if the usual suspects here had followed the driver tracker, they would've known that the gap stayed consistent between all the drivers. Hamilton wasn't too close to Bottas nor he was far behind. The delta between him and Bottas was the same as the delta between Charles-Alonso, Alonso-Norris and Norris-Ocon.

https://i.imgur.com/UdaBZar.jpg

Facts don't care about your emotion.

Hamilton's last out lap was faster than his pole lap-outlap. Mercedes-Hamilton simply used their provisional pole position as an advantage and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

P620

I don't know about others, but personally I talk about his extremely slow exit from the pits.
He definitely did it on purpose and his target was to force MV to pass him by crossing the pit exit line. Max almost did it, but he realised the game and backed off.

[tifosi1993]

P620

I don't know about others, but personally I talk about his extremely slow exit from the pits.
He definitely did it on purpose and his target was to force MV to pass him by crossing the pit exit line. Max almost did it, but he realised the game and backed off.

It's a redundant argument, since they were still catching the cars ahead and all the drivers were driving as slow as Hamilton. Here's the driver tracker:

https://streamable.com/7jua27

During the qualifying, Nico said quite clearly that all the drivers were forced to nurse the tyres carefully because of the 60+ track temperature, even in the pitlane.

[SS454]

Let's talk facts:

Red Bull exited the pit and there was 6 cars ahead of them, so around the same time as everyone else.

Mercedes pulled the tire blankets off Lewis' car at 3:00 but held him in the pits waiting for Red Bull until 2:47

Lewis exited the pitlane at 2:16, Max at 2:13

Lewis sped up and slowed down to crawl on the pit exit road where it is illegal to cross the white line and held position until 2:01

So already for 46 seconds Lewis impeded Max and Red Bull where it was impossible to pass by deliberately slowing in the pit lane. This falls under the same category as Hungary 2007.

Then Lewis ran an outlap which Rosberg said was a 2:13 vs a 2:10 on his first outlap, in which he sped up in areas to prevent Max from passing, and then slowed right down again.

To top it off, Lewis ran 2 seconds slower on his last lap to ensure Max was in dirty air for his lap.


To blame Red Bull for giving themselves 2 mins and 45 seconds to get to the start finish line is ridiculous. It is a clear deliberate impeding of another driver. How it compares with Hungary 2007, there is a strong argument that it should result in a penalty. But since penalties in 2021 do not compare to that era, at the very least it is extremely unsportsmanlike.

@Tifosi1993 it just burns you up seeing Lewis coming out to be a dirty driver doesn't it?

[tifosi1993]

Where the hell you pulled up all those 2:13, 2:16, 3:00's from? :lol

Post your source man. And post the exact time delta of all the outlaps, plus the speed in the pitlane and the pit-exit.

And no, I'm just tired seeing nonsense conspiracy and the Verstappen-Red Bull lovefest in a Ferrari forum. I've already said I want both of them crash so Ferrari can benefit, unlike you of course, you seem to always getting your feelings hurt whenever Hamilton does something to Max.

[SS454]

Where the hell you pulled up all those 2:13, 2:16, 3:00's from? :lol

Post your source man. And post the exact time delta of all the outlaps, plus the speed in the pitlane and the pit-exit.

And no, I'm just tired seeing nonsense conspiracy and the Verstappen-Red Bull lovefest in a Ferrari forum. I've already said I want both of them crash so Ferrari can benefit, unlike you of course, you seem to always getting your feelings hurt whenever Hamilton does something to Max.

The live feed?

How fast was Lewis going? SLOW! Look at your own link to what he did on the pit exit road where you are supposed to speed UP. Listen to Rosberg say he was doing closer to 15 kph. Use your own eyes to see Lewis was crawling in the pitlane.

Don't try to pretend that Lewis didn't slow Max down significantly on purpose in the pits.

What everyone, that isn't a Lewis buttlicker, is mad at, is Hamilton is making tons of mistakes, driving like a jerk, dangerous and unsportsmanlike. Then has to gall to bitch and whine in the media like he's some victim. Yet this all goes without consequence. He has enjoyed a dominant car for 7 years which has made cost F1 tons and tons of fans because of how boring it got, and finally there is a car capable of challenging Mercedes, and the Stewarts and FIA are doing everything they can to keep Lewis in prime position. Can't we just get a fair fight?

I'm with you on let them race hard and watch them wreck each other from time to time. Its exciting and opens the door for teams like Ferrari to scoop up a win. That will never be the case if the guy causing the crashes gets a slap on the wrist and goes on to win the race.

[Redfive]

I'll be honest, I've never been a fan of this track so I might be biased when I say I'm expecting a total borefest tomorrow. Ham will run away and his butler Bottas will do his best to hold everyone back. zzzZZZ

Can we get some good points? yep. can we get a podium? sadly I think not (but I live in hope!)

[tpe]

I don't see how we can get good points3from p7/14.
Jnless6the guys in front decide to take a closer look to each other (aka crash).
But in that case, I see Norris or Badly be take the win.
I will not watch the race.

[330 p4]

I don't see how we can get good points3from p7/14.
Jnless6the guys in front decide to take a closer look to each other (aka crash).
But in that case, I see Norris or Badly be take the win.
I will not watch the race.

I see LeClerc beating Gasly and and Norris and Sainz getting into the points. U can overtake here as tyres lose performance at different rates in different cars and that's key. I think 2 stops so timing of pit stops is key, either for undercut or fresher tyres that make overtaking far easier. This track is no longer like Monaco. All I am focusing on is Ferrari getting more points than any other team outside the RB/MERC stuff.

[Brembo]

Nothing like the old days!! Just park your car in front of max. Hard racing! :rotfl

[tifosi1993]

The live feed?

How fast was Lewis going? SLOW! Look at your own link to what he did on the pit exit road where you are supposed to speed UP. Listen to Rosberg say he was doing closer to 15 kph. Use your own eyes to see Lewis was crawling in the pitlane.

Don't try to pretend that Lewis didn't slow Max down significantly on purpose in the pits.

What everyone, that isn't a Lewis buttlicker, is mad at, is Hamilton is making tons of mistakes, driving like a jerk, dangerous and unsportsmanlike. Then has to gall to bitch and whine in the media like he's some victim. Yet this all goes without consequence. He has enjoyed a dominant car for 7 years which has made cost F1 tons and tons of fans because of how boring it got, and finally there is a car capable of challenging Mercedes, and the Stewarts and FIA are doing everything they can to keep Lewis in prime position. Can't we just get a fair fight?

I'm with you on let them race hard and watch them wreck each other from time to time. Its exciting and opens the door for teams like Ferrari to scoop up a win. That will never be the case if the guy causing the crashes gets a slap on the wrist and goes on to win the race.

Those were just arbitrary numbers. Live feed? then post the screenshots here. You need to back up your claim with either with visual evidence or lap time delta.

I've already posted the driver tracker here, and not some arbitrary numbers. And the tracker clearly showed that Hamilton did a normal out lap. He caught up with the Norris-Ocon-Bottas train in the sector 2. There was no deliberate slowing down. It was Verstappen-Red Bull who were desperate to pass Hamilton because they were behind. If they were so worried, the should've left the garage earlier. Probably when Gasly left. And it was Verstappne who screwed up Perez by going extremely slow in the last sector.

And there was no slowing down from Hamilton after the pit exit. But there was a deliberate slowing down from Verstappen in the last sector to keep Perez, which made Perez to miss out his final Q3 attempt. Live timing clearly showed it, driver tracker clearly showed it, stewards saw nothing wrong with Hamilton, other teams or drivers saw nothing wrong Hamilton. It's just Red Bull and the fringe minority here who always seem to have problem and look for controversy where there was none. And they fill up each thread with mindless conspiracy theories and TBH, it's getting quite boring to read all that garbage.

Like you for example, who felt the need to open up a thread questioning whether Hamilton actually received any racist abuses. And it says a lot.

So yeah, I'm quite enjoying the Ham-Ver dogfight. Unlike some people here ofcouse, who are seem to be getting angry rather than enjoying the Mercedes-Red Bull imploding.

[patrese86]

Hoping we might get a collision at the front. Sainz probably go long, could do with a SC.

[Ferrarichamp]

I think Ham will just cruise to another win, the chickenwingman will help him build an early lead, and that will be it.

[SS454]

Those were just arbitrary numbers. Live feed? then post the screenshots here. You need to back up your claim with either with visual evidence or lap time delta.

I've already posted the driver tracker here, and not some arbitrary numbers. And the tracker clearly showed that Hamilton did a normal out lap. He caught up with the Norris-Ocon-Bottas train in the sector 2. There was no deliberate slowing down. It was Verstappen-Red Bull who were desperate to pass Hamilton because they were behind. If they were so worried, the should've left the garage earlier. Probably when Gasly left. And it was Verstappne who screwed up Perez by going extremely slow in the last sector.

And there was no slowing down from Hamilton after the pit exit. But there was a deliberate slowing down from Verstappen in the last sector to keep Perez, which made Perez to miss out his final Q3 attempt. Live timing clearly showed it, driver tracker clearly showed it, stewards saw nothing wrong with Hamilton, other teams or drivers saw nothing wrong Hamilton. It's just Red Bull and the fringe minority here who always seem to have problem and look for controversy where there was none. And they fill up each thread with mindless conspiracy theories and TBH, it's getting quite boring to read all that garbage.

Like you for example, who felt the need to open up a thread questioning whether Hamilton actually received any racist abuses. And it says a lot.

So yeah, I'm quite enjoying the Ham-Ver dogfight. Unlike some people here ofcouse, who are seem to be getting angry rather than enjoying the Mercedes-Red Bull imploding.

Sky Sport live feed from the tv, anyone can watch it. I gave you the time stamps on the clock, go watch for yourself.

Your video doesn't show what happened in the pits, but it very clearly shows Hamilton speed out off once he exited the pit lane and then immediately slow down to a crawl while still with in the pit out exit lane. It also shows Hamilton clearly speeding up on areas that Max could get around, and then slamming on his brakes. This wasn't a warm up lap at all, it was 100% a deliberate spoiler lap. Compare his speeds during his out lap and it is very different than any other driver in front of him.

Just because you don't want to admit what happened doesnt mean it didn't. Anyone with half a brain can see what Lewis did.

[Brembo]

I think Ham will just cruise to another win, the chickenwingman will help him build an early lead, and that will be it.

So you feel Bottas is truly Rubenized !

[Lesky]

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/status/1421758584480804865?s=20

Unbelievable how punished VER has been for Hamiltons mistake:

- Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.
- Roundabout 1.5 million $
- Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results
- Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race
- A slam dunk engine penalty later on in the season, so Lewis will continue to reap benefits from his Silverstone error

A change of regulations are neeeded so that the guilty part in a collision does not gain massive advantages even when deemed guilty by stewards.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/status/1421758584480804865?s=20

Unbelievable how punished VER has been for Hamiltons mistake:

- Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.
- Roundabout 1.5 million $
- Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results
- Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race
- A slam dunk engine penalty later on in the season, so Lewis will continue to reap benefits from his Silverstone error

Yeap. Business as usual. LH needs to make all history books records! Well done to everyone who has ruined this once great sport! :furious
An one more THANK YOU for this, as it saved me money and time traveling to Hungaroring this year!

[Greig]

https://twitter.com/HondaRacingF1/status/1421758584480804865?s=20

Unbelievable how punished VER has been for Hamiltons mistake:

- Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.
- Roundabout 1.5 million $
- Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results
- Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race
- A slam dunk engine penalty later on in the season, so Lewis will continue to reap benefits from his Silverstone error

A change of regulations are neeeded so that the guilty part in a collision does not gain massive advantages even when deemed guilty by stewards.

Ah well poor Red Bull, they did not care when Mad Max was smashing off cars when he was not a title contender....

[tifosi1993]

Sky Sport live feed from the tv, anyone can watch it. I gave you the time stamps on the clock, go watch for yourself.

Your video doesn't show what happened in the pits, but it very clearly shows Hamilton speed out off once he exited the pit lane and then immediately slow down to a crawl while still with in the pit out exit lane. It also shows Hamilton clearly speeding up on areas that Max could get around, and then slamming on his brakes. This wasn't a warm up lap at all, it was 100% a deliberate spoiler lap. Compare his speeds during his out lap and it is very different than any other driver in front of him.

Just because you don't want to admit what happened doesnt mean it didn't. Anyone with half a brain can see what Lewis did.

Nothing has happened. Otherwise there would've been a cry from Red Fools and there would've been a investigation. Hell, even Perez said after Quali that Hamilton did nothing wrong. There was no evidence of any wrongdoings. Maybe, you can send your "timestamps" to Horner and Marko, clearly they and the rest of the F1 community missing some evidence. :lol

But yeah, you and the rest of the fringe minority here can stay outraged. Maybe open up another thread and post all your outrage and sympathy for Max and Red Bull there.

I and I'm sure the majority here are simply enjoying the drama that is unfolding and hoping for more.

[tifosi1993]

Ah well poor Red Bull, they did not care when Mad Max was smashing off cars when he was not a title contender....

How dare you say something bad about Max....he can't do anything wrong! :rotfl

Funny isn't. As if Ham is crashing into Leclerc or costing Ferrari championship points. This whole drama is funny for everyone bar the Mercedes and Red Bull fanbase.

[330 p4]

I think Ham will just cruise to another win, the chickenwingman will help him build an early lead, and that will be it.

Very likely but that's not important. It's going to be good to see where Sainz and LeClerc can finish and focus only on them, the rest don't matter.

[SS454]

Ah well poor Red Bull, they did not care when Mad Max was smashing off cars when he was not a title contender....

Isn't his post about changing the rules so the guy causing wrecks is held more accountable? Why try to deflect Lewis being guilty with some of Maxes incidents in the past which most people didn't agree with either?

[SS454]

Nothing has happened. Otherwise there would've been a cry from Red Fools and there would've been a investigation. Hell, even Perez said after Quali that Hamilton did nothing wrong. There was no evidence of any wrongdoings. Maybe, you can send your "timestamps" to Horner and Marko, clearly they and the rest of the F1 community missing some evidence. :lol

But yeah, you and the rest of the fringe minority here can stay outraged. Maybe open up another thread and post all your outrage and sympathy for Max and Red Bull there.

I and I'm sure the majority here are simply enjoying the drama that is unfolding and hoping for more.

Why did Alonso get a penalty in 2007? I don't recall McLaren calling for a penalty on themselves.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why did Alonso get a penalty in 2007? I don't recall McLaren calling for a penalty on themselves.

If you're referring to the Hungary 2007 penalty, it was for "impeding" Lewis at the pit stop during qualifying.

[SS454]

If you're referring to the Hungary 2007 penalty, it was for "impeding" Lewis at the pit stop during qualifying.

Alonso got a penalty for impeding another driver in the pits. I do not believe Mclaren lodged a protest against their own driver, but I am not 100% sure.

So let's assume the FIA took it upon themselves to investigate the matter which they found Alonso to be stationary in his pitstall without mechanical issue and without order from his team, and thus deliberately preventing another driver (his teammate) from entering his pitstall, but not preventing Hamilton from actually going out and doing a lap. Technically Hamilton had a choice to back up, and exit the pits and do another lap on the tires he had on. This resulted in a 5 place grid penalty for Alonso.

FFW to qualifying Hungary 2021, Lewis deliberately drove down the pit road at an unusually slow speed impeding Max Verstappen and Perez from getting by. Lewis then exited the pit lane under throttle to then slow down dramatically to again impeded the Red Bull drivers within the white lines of the pit road exit lane.

How is this different than 2007? If it is correct that McLaren did not protest themselves in 2007 and the FIA took it upon themselves to issue a penalty for unsportsmanlike impeding, then the FIA do not need a formal complaint from Red Bull to issue an investigation or penalty in this case. Yet as we know, nothing happened.

[Greig]

Isn't his post about changing the rules so the guy causing wrecks is held more accountable? Why try to deflect Lewis being guilty with some of Maxes incidents in the past which most people didn't agree with either?

If it hurts Red Bull then so be it, no idea why suddenly Red Bull and Max are the upstanding guardians of the sport....

[SS454]

If it hurts Red Bull then so be it, no idea why suddenly Red Bull and Max are the upstanding guardians of the sport....

Probably because people are so tired of Lewis winning, and Max is the only guy in a position to dethrone him.

When Max was driving very erratically early in his career, people were calling for his head. I believe the FIA clarified the rules when it came to changing directions on the straights.

It should be a unanimous vote to have the rules changed so that a driver that causes a race ending wreck receives a far more severe penalty. Right now what's to stop the team's #2 driver from taking out their rival's #1, even if it means risking driver safety if all it costs is a front wing that is repairable under red flags, and a 10 second time penalty?

[Greig]

Probably because people are so tired of Lewis winning, and Max is the only guy in a position to dethrone him.

When Max was driving very erratically early in his career, people were calling for his head. I believe the FIA clarified the rules when it came to changing directions on the straights.

It should be a unanimous vote to have the rules changed so that a driver that causes a race ending wreck receives a far more severe penalty. Right now what's to stop the team's #2 driver from taking out their rival's #1, even if it means risking driver safety if all it costs is a front wing that is repairable under red flags, and a 10 second time penalty?

There is nothing to ever stop a no2 driver doing what you say if they feel inclined to do so, but you do the drivers a great disrespect if you actually believe any of them would do so. Just because you are sick of Lewis winning does not mean we need to bend over for Red Bull. Who is paying for the damage we got today? It's racing...

[SS454]

There is nothing to ever stop a no2 driver doing what you say if they feel inclined to do so, but you do the drivers a great disrespect if you actually believe any of them would do so. Just because you are sick of Lewis winning does not mean we need to bend over for Red Bull. Who is paying for the damage we got today? It's racing...

It wouldn't be bending the rules for Red Bull,it would be changing the rules for everyone. Especially in the cost cap era we are now in, it is unfair to get collected in an accident by a stupid mistake. Racing incident is one thing, but when one driver is 100% at fault. Currently the punishment isn't enough, and the penalties are not fair.

Kimi should have received a harsher penalty for crashing into Mazepin, and it's unfair they get a DNF and have to cover those costs, while Kimi simply gets a 10 second penalty and gets to keep racing.
Sainz perhaps should have received a penalty for impeding the AlphaTauri in quali, though I am not sure if that driver was on a flying lap or not, but either way it shouldn't have happened.
A driver can get a stop/go penalty for speeding 1 kph over the limit, but a driver do something stupid and potentially severely injure a competitor and only get a 10 second time penalty.

There's a problem with the penalties, and right now its having a major impact on the WDC and WCC championships.

Sure it would be disrespectful and rotten for a driver to deliberately crash into a competitor.... Schumacher did it, Senna did it, others have done it.

[Greig]

It wouldn't be bending the rules for Red Bull,it would be changing the rules for everyone. Especially in the cost cap era we are now in, it is unfair to get collected in an accident by a stupid mistake. Racing incident is one thing, but when one driver is 100% at fault. Currently the punishment isn't enough, and the penalties are not fair.

Kimi should have received a harsher penalty for crashing into Mazepin, and it's unfair they get a DNF and have to cover those costs, while Kimi simply gets a 10 second penalty and gets to keep racing.
Sainz perhaps should have received a penalty for impeding the AlphaTauri in quali, though I am not sure if that driver was on a flying lap or not, but either way it shouldn't have happened.
A driver can get a stop/go penalty for speeding 1 kph over the limit, but a driver do something stupid and potentially severely injure a competitor and only get a 10 second time penalty.

There's a problem with the penalties, and right now its having a major impact on the WDC and WCC championships.

Sure it would be disrespectful and rotten for a driver to deliberately crash into a competitor.... Schumacher did it, Senna did it, others have done it.

You said a no2 driver taking out the no1....bit different.

Rules are the same for all. Speeding in the pits and under yellows etc is always been harshly dealt with and for good reason.

[SS454]

You said a no2 driver taking out the no1....bit different.

Rules are the same for all. Speeding in the pits and under yellows etc is always been harshly dealt with and for good reason.

It's not a bit different. Any driver has his own thoughts and self control to choose to deliberately crash another driver. Whether you are the #2 playing the team game, the champion against the rival, or the last place guy hitting someone faster. It has happened and so it could happen again because the consequences are practically zip.

You tell me what's worse, speeding 1 kph at pit lane entrance or making a bad driving decision that puts your competitor into the wall in a 51g impact?

What about a crash in pit lane when the mechanics are doing their work?

[Greig]

Yeah it's different off course and I don't recall it ever happening in the sport so I guess we don't need to consider it at all.

Penalties for speeding in the pits under yellows etc are pretty clear cut based on data they are not based on what is worse. Can't just bend the rules because it was only 1kph at the start of the pitlane otherwise the rule is pointless.

[SS454]

Yeah it's different off course and I don't recall it ever happening in the sport so I guess we don't need to consider it at all.

Penalties for speeding in the pits under yellows etc are pretty clear cut based on data they are not based on what is worse. Can't just bend the rules because it was only 1kph at the start of the pitlane otherwise the rule is pointless.

You didn't answer my question.

[Greig]

You didn't answer my question.

As I said penalties are not based on what is worse so there is no question to answer.

[tifosi1993]

Why did Alonso get a penalty in 2007? I don't recall McLaren calling for a penalty on themselves.

What up with the deflections and whataboutism in your post? Are you going to bring from 1980's or something now? @jgonzalesm6 already explained the incident of 2007 Hungary to you, I don't think I've to add anything.

There's no point of having any discussions. Nothing happened in Qualifying Hungary 21.

But feel free to waste your time and energy on an irreverent and utterly pointless discussion. Bye.

[SS454]

@Greig and @tifosi1993 your lack of answers speak volumes. That's fine.

[Greig]

@Greig and @tifosi1993 your lack of answers speak volumes. That's fine.

LOL penalties are not decided by the outcome.

[SS454]

LOL penalties are not decided by the outcome.

You know what I asked

[Greig]

You know what I asked

So why are you struggling?

[aroutis]

Binotto (that is, Ferrari) has suggested that since we're now in a new era where budget cap is in effect, the party that causes collisions and so forth, should be the one that pays the bills to the affected teams. That would mean for instance that the "minor mistake" that Bottas made , would be quite an expensive one for Mercedes.

I find this quite interesting, also I 'd really like to see this put in effect.

[Greig]

RIP racing if that ever happens.....

[Nick Singer]

Dead anyway..

Liberty clown life.

[tifosi1993]

@Greig and @tifosi1993 your lack of answers speak volumes. That's fine.

Lack of what answer? and questions you have asked? Do you want people to post racist comments here so you can finally see that Hamilton had to endure racism, since you seem to believe that he hasn't received any because you haven't seen them?

Nothing happened in Qualifying, but you seem hellbent on proving otherwise. On the other hand you don't believe the racist abuses Ham had to endure after Silverstone, which actually happened.

You're hopeless dude. Go send your "evidence" to Red Bull, maybe they will reward you with money for your pointless effort and dedication. :lol

[aroutis]

RIP racing if that ever happens.....

I am sorry, I thought that racing is already dead.
I mean, in what universe someone crashes into someone and the victim team gets penalized?
I thought that racing should be about... racing and not about accounting, but what do I know?

Since F1 wants cost capping, you break it , you pay for it.
No , racing will be just fine if you ask me, since this is the racing they want. With accountants, counting the beans and all that.

[Silent Bob]

RIP racing if that ever happens.....



It might have to happen. If a scenario ever comes up where a team is handicapped from advancing their cars and lose a championship because of cost cap & budget restraints due to damages caused to their cars by others, that would be a farce. There has to be a way to balance that. As it stands now, Red Bull have been hit hard by their competitor's actions while their competitor benefits, not only in the races but in future development. Mercs can allocate funds to new parts and development, whereas RedBull and now Ferrari have to allocate funds to repairing cars. Maybe those repairs should not be tied to the budget cap if it's deemed the cause of the damage to be someone else's fault entirely.
Not sure but seems this budget cap just opens a can of worms.

[aroutis]

It might have to happen. If a scenario ever comes up where a team is handicapped from advancing their cars and lose a championship because of cost cap & budget restraints due to damages caused to their cars by others, that would be a farce. There has to be a way to balance that. As it stands now, Red Bull have been hit hard by their competitor's actions while their competitor benefits, not only in the races but in future development. Mercs can allocate funds to new parts and development, whereas RedBull and now Ferrari have to allocate funds to repairing cars. Maybe those repairs should not be tied to the budget cap if it's deemed the cause of the damage to be someone else's fault entirely.
Not sure but seems this budget cap just opens a can of worms.
It's a thing to be exploited.

Toto said it best.
A minor accident with huge implications.

Yeah ,I say racing is dead unless THIS changes to something else.

[Greig]

It might have to happen. If a scenario ever comes up where a team is handicapped from advancing their cars and lose a championship because of cost cap & budget restraints due to damages caused to their cars by others, that would be a farce. There has to be a way to balance that. As it stands now, Red Bull have been hit hard by their competitor's actions while their competitor benefits, not only in the races but in future development. Mercs can allocate funds to new parts and development, whereas RedBull and now Ferrari have to allocate funds to repairing cars. Maybe those repairs should not be tied to the budget cap if it's deemed the cause of the damage to be someone else's fault entirely.
Not sure but seems this budget cap just opens a can of worms.

They will just accept crash damage when caused by another driver is not included in the cap I imagine, even then it would need to be pretty clear cut like Bottas on Norris. Smaller teams are not going to be able to afford to pay for damages to another team really and defeats the whole purpose of the cap as it's designed to help those teams.

[Brembo]

F-1 should allow a T car for each team. Make rules to how they can be used . One car for each driver with a million rules as far as if their car needs work is really hurting our sport.