Hungarian GP 2021 : Race

[stefa]

So out of the podium

[JPMFerrari]

So out of the podium

Yep

[stefa]

Unbelievable how much that Mercedes is ahead of everyone!

[tifosi1993]

And the podium is gone.....

[458 Italia]

Disgusting.

[stefa]

There goes podium

[458 Italia]

Fizzle this shizzle.

[JPMFerrari]

Foregone conclusion.

[tifosi1993]

Alonso is way too close....

[ferrari1.8t]

“Red Bull is the faster car”:roll

[Greig]

Sainz too easy

[stefa]

Thank God there are just 4 laps

[JPMFerrari]

Unbelievable how much that Mercedes is ahead of everyone!

Been that way for years.

[Tifoso Svedese]

************************************************** ************************************************** *************** TOTO :furious:furious:furious:furious:furious:furious

[PURE PASSION]

Because Sainz didn't have clean air 60% of the race. And Leclerc got taken out by useless Stroll, otherwise he would've been P2 after lap 1.

On mediums, although then we where on dirty air behind Tsu,when he had clean air he was fast and gaining every lap from Ocon and Vet.When we put hands, we end up just 5 secs behind Vet with just 7-8 laps older tires.End then we started being slower !!!???!!!

[458 Italia]

Sainz did nothing.

[Lesky]

Why is everyone racing lewis cleanly? Its amazing nobody ever gives him a slight touch. ****sake.

[JPMFerrari]

Sainz too easy


His tires are going away compared to Hamilton.

[JPMFerrari]

Sainz did nothing.


No tires left.

[stefa]

Why is everyone racing lewis cleanly? Its amazing nobody ever gives him a slight touch. ****sake.

Don't have a clue

[Schumiklub]

Hard tyres on a Ferrari just don't work at all.

[458 Italia]

No tires left.

Had DRS so could've moved out earlier.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Tsunoda had an epic chance to perform the 'no regrets' move and send Hammy to the medical centre you know...

[Lesky]

Don't have a clue

And now Lewis are racing with a 3 seconds faster car with much fresher tires and people are talking like he is walking on water...unreal.

[gump1480]

No tires left.

Sainz has the oldest tire of the entire group. Alonso was our only defense.

[stefa]

Nice drive from CS
Shame he and CL doesn't have better tool to work with

[JPMFerrari]

Hard tyres on a Ferrari just don't work at all.

They haven't figured out the tire situation for how many years now?

[Ferrarichamp]

a great day for Alpine.

[stefa]

And now Lewis are racing with a 3 seconds faster car with much fresher tires and people are talking like he is walking on water...unreal.

Joke

[Lesky]

5 place grid drop for taking out 3 cars. ***? Mercedes Assistance out again. Bottas should get a race ban or at least 10 place grid drop. Whats a 5 place grid drop for the fastest car? Nothing. He will finish 3rd easily.

[KimiBot]

Well done Carlos

[Greig]

Tsunoda had an epic chance to perform the 'no regrets' move and send Hammy to the medical centre you know...

give it a rest with your garbage posts, no more asking.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Yeah it's a rigged championship and ridiculous.

Happy for Ocon but otherwise mostly a pretty dire day.

Greig come on :rotfl chill now. Hammy said that he thought he did a clean move last time out so.

[Greig]

Well done Ocon and Vettel, unlucky Carlos but a good drive :-)

[Lesky]

Joke

I am so sick of seeing HAM racing inferior Ferrari cars at the end of races, give him LEC in a proper Ferrari and he would be beaten.

[Ferrarichamp]

so Alpine get a race win in the bag, and we might not get any this year.

[stefa]

5 place grid drop for taking out 3 cars. ***? Mercedes Assistance out again. Bottas should get a race ban or at least 10 place grid drop. Whats a 5 place grid drop for the fastest car? Nothing. He will finish 3rd easily.

It is circus

[tifosi1993]

Congrats to Ocon and Alpine.

[stefa]

I am so sick of seeing HAM racing inferior Ferrari cars at the end of races, give him LEC in a proper Ferrari and he would be beaten.

Agree. We all saw it with MV, until he crashed him two weeks ago

[20000rpm]

Ocon.. well he deserved it. Good for the Alpine team and his new contract.
Well done Carlos... that was one hell of a race.
Incidents like today's made the race more interesting. Max seems to never cope from the crash.
Ham, well as usual, lucky man.
Merc- shameless as usual. No action against Bot' @rse!!!

[stefa]

Well done Carlos... that was one hell of a race.
Incidents like today's made the race more interesting. Max seems to never cope from the crash.
Ham, well as usual, lucky man.

There is huge damage to the car

[tifosi1993]

so Alpine get a race win in the bag, and we might not get any this year.

We need luck, Leclerc got taken out by Stroll. Still 12 races left. And we've won over 200 races, so it's not like we're desperate.

[gump1480]

so Alpine get a race win in the bag, and we might not get any this year.

Exactly...we are never there to win when the top two teams screw up.

[Greig]

Exactly...we are never there to win when the top two teams screw up.

We were there till Stroll appeared....

[330 p4]

Really enjoyed that, like Silverstone though the hard tyre was no friend of Ferrari. Loved Alonso defense that thing in the Merc had a slam dunk win at 3 seconds a lap faster but drove appallingly to only come 3rd. Great stuff.

[20000rpm]

so Alpine get a race win in the bag, and we might not get any this year.

We had Silverstone. Sure it was a second, but keeping high expectations from Ferrari this year would leave you disappointed.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I assume Toto is already drawing up 2012 Grosjean videos to go over team talks with Bottas ahead of Spa now :-E

It's possible to take out cars a long way ahead so Max is definitely not out of the woods yet.

[Greig]

I assume Toto is already drawing up 2012 Grosjean videos to go over team talks with Bottas ahead of Spa now :-E

It's possible to take out cars a long way ahead so Max is definitely not out of the woods yet.

Poor Max such a shame for him to be taken out, maybe he will understand how so many others felt when he took them out now :-)

[stefa]

Poor Max such a shame for him to be taken out, maybe he will understand how so many others felt when he took them out now :-)

Karma always bite back... except LH :Hmm

[stefa]

off the topic, but what is whit all the face mask wearing in pit lane, and there are 100.000 spectators without it?!

[Tifoso Svedese]

off the topic, but what is whit all the face mask wearing in pit lane, and there are 100.000 spectators without it?!

Virtue signalling :lol Time to end the garbage covid response fearmongering immediately. Human beings outdoors are not walking bioweapons. It's time for the FIA to get over it.

[Greig]

off the topic, but what is whit all the face mask wearing in pit lane, and there are 100.000 spectators without it?!

Why would it bother you?

[stefa]

Why would it bother you?

It's not! Just asking! :-D

[alfaromeo]

Agin problems with hard tires, then from 4 to 7 at first pit stops. A lot of mistakes from Ferrari today at sainz. If they did today every thing alright sainz can be on podium easy…

[stefa]

Simpatico guy Ocon

[20000rpm]

Why no action against Bottas?

[stefa]

Why no action against Bottas?

5 places penalty in next race

[Tifoso Svedese]

Agin problems with hard tires, then from 4 to 7 at first pit stops. A lot of mistakes from Ferrari today at sainz. If they did today every thing alright sainz can be on podium easy…

Thought they nailed the strategy but Carlos somehow couldn't drive the hards fast enough. Hammy being stuck a couple more laps behind Tsunoda could've made the difference.

[JacKy]

Pace with hard tyres was horrible. Carlos reduced 19 sec gap to 5 sec at some Point. But then it faded.

There is alots of Race at second half of the season. Hope we can improve

[Warp]

Agin problems with hard tires, then from 4 to 7 at first pit stops. A lot of mistakes from Ferrari today at sainz. If they did today every thing alright sainz can be on podium easy…

It was Sainz call to go with that strategy. Also no pace with hards.

[alfaromeo]

They must fixed problems with hard tires because in the races are the most important tires… forza Ferrari

[330 p4]

Poor Max such a shame for him to be taken out, maybe he will understand how so many others felt when he took them out now :-)

Yeah but these things balance out, 2012 we were all happy that Vettel at Red Bull had awful luck 1st half of the year and Alonso was 50 points up in the Ferrari but 2nd half of the season it all balanced out sadly. Could well be that things swing 2nd half of season. Was this the 10th or 11th race? Verstappen is what 10 points down after 1 point from 3 of these races. He has the speed and the advantage but more importantly Ferrari have had chances for a win 1st half but seems when its Ferraris chance we get Merc at full power with a free shot at us but can all flip 2nd half of the year. I think Ferrari could get a win 2nd half of the season with some better circumstance.

[tifosi1993]

What about Stroll? Surely the rich boy deserves a grid penalty and penalty points in his license. Man, its so frustrating, Leclerc would've been P2 after the first lap, and would've won the race easily.

[Warp]

What about Stroll? Surely the rich boy deserves a grid penalty and penalty points in his license. Man, its so frustrating, Leclerc would've been P2 after the first lap, and would've won the race easily.

He got the same penalty with Bottas.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1421853213607841793?s=1

[Ferrarichamp]

5 place penalty is a small price to pay to take out the competition.

[tifosi1993]

He got the same penalty with Bottas.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1421853213607841793?s=1

The ramification for taking out multiple cars should be severe. We have budget cap in place. Mercedes, Aston Marin and their drivers should pay heavy penalties.

[JacKy]

5 place penalty is a small price to pay to take out the competition.

He must get 5 places grid penalty for every car he had been take out separately. Like +5 places grid postion for next 3 races.

[20000rpm]

I don't know if anyone observed but those Mclaren look difficult to overtake in traffic. Max had to spend lot of time behind Ric, while Carlos also did the same in Silverstone.
I think we should have brought some updates, even if minor. Mclaren by bringing updates are at a better position than us.

[Warp]

I don't know if anyone observed but those Mclaren look difficult to overtake in traffic. Max had to spend lot of time behind Ric, while Carlos also did the same in Silverstone.
I think we should have brought some updates, even if minor. Mclaren by bringing updates are at a better position than us.

Max's car was damaged..

McLaren also got the best straight line speed of all teams. Plus our power unit and fuel efficiency is not the strongest.

[tpe]

During the race, I was hoping that Ferrari will either keep CS out for a few more laps and then bolt the medium tires to the end, or go fast for a medium-soft combination.
But, obviously they don't dare to think alternative strategies.
Anyway, it was a... hmmmm... OKish results for Ferrari, excellent for Ocon. Because of Alonso. What a drive!

[20000rpm]

Max's car was damaged..

McLaren also got the best straight line speed of all teams. Plus our power unit and fuel efficiency is not the strongest.

:thumb

[Warp]

During the race, I was hoping that Ferrari will either keep CS out for a few more laps and then bolt the medium tires to the end, or go fast for a medium-soft combination.
But, obviously they don't dare to think alternative strategies.
Anyway, it was a... hmmmm... OKish results for Ferrari, excellent for Ocon. Because of Alonso. What a drive!

I think the intention was to follow Lewi's strategy, but CS said he wants to stay out. That's what I thought aswell, Medium and Soft would have been the best option but probably Ferrari wasn't aware of the hard tires pace.

[JacKy]

I don't know if anyone observed but those Mclaren look difficult to overtake in traffic. Max had to spend lot of time behind Ric, while Carlos also did the same in Silverstone.
I think we should have brought some updates, even if minor. Mclaren by bringing updates are at a better position than us.

Mclaren’s car is one best at mid-end of the corners. Telemetry confirms that they can goes on throttle early than other cars. Which gives them a edge to defend against DRS. Plus Mercedes PU. = very hard car to overtake

[330 p4]

In any other year this season would be very bad fo Ferrari but with the limited changes allowed from last year their current competitiveness is amazing, seems like they really know what they are doing now, bodes well for next year. I fancy a Hamilton / Rosberg dynamic next year between Sainz and LeClerc. Really feel Ferrari are going to be awesome next year. Dont think this would happen without 2019 engine controversy, although we are suffering for this it may have been the best thing to happen.

[gump1480]

CS called in to see the stewards for race start proceedings infringement. Even Vet called in for that. Hopefully Lewis doesn't get a free position with penalty to Vet.

[Warp]

In any other year this season would be very bad fo Ferrari but with the limited changes allowed from last year their current competitiveness is amazing, seems like they really know what they are doing now, bodes well for next year. I fancy a Hamilton / Rosberg dynamic next year between Sainz and LeClerc. Really feel Ferrari are going to be awesome next year. Dont think this would happen without 2019 engine controversy, although we are suffering for this it may have been the best thing to happen.

I hope so. It's hard to be optimistic nowadays. If we don't get the power unit right we're locked until 2025.

[Warp]

CS called in to see the stewards for race start proceedings infringement. Even Vet called in for that. Hopefully Lewis doesn't get a free position with penalty to Vet.

I dont think it's a sporting regulation breach. Something about "We race as one".

[Tifoso Svedese]

I dont think it's a sporting regulation breach. Something about "We race as one".

"Except when we race in China and Saudi Arabia" :rotfl

[Warp]

I dont think it's a sporting regulation breach. Something about "We race as one".


"Except when we race in China and Saudi Arabia" :rotfl

Update: "We race as one" incident was probably for Vettel's tshirt. CS was called because of formation lap incident :-E

[Tifoso Svedese]

Apparently they've called in Ocon over parking at the wrong place after the race, I mean if Hammy wins this race Europol should raid the FIA and Mercedes offices man :rotfl

[330 p4]

I hope so. It's hard to be optimistic nowadays. If we don't get the power unit right we're locked until 2025.

We went in 1 direction on engine, after analysis and time I think Ferrari will be right on it for the engine next year. Without whatever happened in 2019 Ferrari fare and square had the best engine in 2018. With limitations in place due to Covid I doubt enough time was available to maximise a different direction. I think theres a good chance Ferrari will have as good if not better engine than the others.

[330 p4]

Apparently they've called in Ocon over parking at the wrong place after the race, I mean if Hammy wins this race Europol should raid the FIA and Mercedes offices man :rotfl

He should have retrospective penalties for this year and last year for those crap BLM shirts.

[Hornet]

Well done to Ocon and Vettel.
Driver of the day for me has to be Alonso though, the way he held off Lewis, was really great to watch.

Shame that Bottas and Stroll took out several cars including Charles at the beginning :doh

[nani_s23]

I think the intention was to follow Lewi's strategy, but CS said he wants to stay out. That's what I thought aswell, Medium and Soft would have been the best option but probably Ferrari wasn't aware of the hard tires pace.

Issue with hard & wet tyres been long for Ferrari. They don’t light them up quickly & also pace drops drastically.

For them only soft & medium tyres work.

[gump1480]

Update: "We race as one" incident was probably for Vettel's tshirt. CS was called because of formation lap incident :-E

I think something to do with radio silence during the formation lap being infringed. Maybe it was during the restart after red-flag.

[wisepie]

OMG these incidents and summons to the stewards are getting ridiculous, Kimi gets a 10sec stop and go for unsafe release, GIO gets a 10sec stop and go for speeding in the pitlane, BOT and STR only get a 5 place grid drop for taking out several competitors on the first corner, including Charles. Carlos also summoned along with various others, the racing is supposed to be on track, not after the race, and the penalties don't match the crimes. Apart from that, an entertaining race with a different P1/2 (P3 should have been Carlos), the usual HAM luck kicked in and RB had a rubbish weekend once again, none of us want another HAM WDC. Carlos drove well to hold off Fernando at the end and at least we gained points to Mclaren, but the hard tyres don't work well or last long enough on the SF21. Gutted for Charles, he has lost too many points this year through DNS/DNF results.:roll

[DJTaurus]

So the guy that doesn’t use social media is finally an LGTBQ supporter. Wt.f seb.

[Lesky]

Summer break.

Well done to Red Bull for their performance.

Well done to Merc for quickly negating Red Bulls advantage & creating their own by swiftly taking Red Bulls out. If you cant beat them on track, just run them off track! A shame as it was looking like a decent season.

Mercs have taken out 5 Red Bulls during the last 1.5 seasons.

Horner will have nightmares during the break about it. Good on Horner though for trying to change the rules about incidents like today counting towards the cap, if it brings change it will actually do some good and prevent other teams from losing out the same way in the future.

(Btw, the comment above got deleted and I got warned for it on a british F1 forum)


Better times ahead for the Prancing Horse hopefully with the next engine, still decent results thus far.

[Warp]

I think something to do with radio silence during the formation lap being infringed. Maybe it was during the restart after red-flag.

All ok.

The FIA has given a reprimand to Vettel, Sainz, Stroll and Bottas for not removing their t-shirts before the national anthem

Update:

BREAKING: Vettel likely to lose second place as one litre of fuel was not available in his car at the end of the race. Link (https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1421894837306015745)

[Tifoso Svedese]

That's definitely not the funniest way to get a podium. Not sure how clumsy AM can be though to not see this at the early end of the in-lap???

[ferrari1.8t]

All ok.

The FIA has given a reprimand to Vettel, Sainz, Stroll and Bottas for not removing their t-shirts before the national anthem

Update:

BREAKING: Vettel likely to lose second place as one litre of fuel was not available in his car at the end of the race. Link (https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1421894837306015745)

Any way possible to gift Hamilton more points. Joke.

[hakanabi]

Vettel podium in doubt over lack of fuel sample. Possible p2 for Ham. This guy has all the luck in the world. Unbelievable!

[KimiBot]

So these will change a bit, because it looks like Aston Martin and Williams losing points because breaking rules.

1 MERCEDES 300
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 290
3 MCLAREN MERCEDES 163
4 FERRARI 160
5 ALPINE RENAULT 75
6 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 66
7 ALPHATAURI HONDA 64
8 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 6
9 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 2
10 HAAS FERRARI 0


1 Lewis Hamilton GBR MERCEDES 192
2 Max Verstappen NED RED BULL RACING HONDA 186
3 Lando Norris GBR MCLAREN MERCEDES 113
4 Valtteri Bottas FIN MERCEDES 108
5 Sergio Perez MEX RED BULL RACING HONDA 104
6 Charles Leclerc MON FERRARI 80
7 Carlos Sainz ESP FERRARI 80
8 Daniel Ricciardo AUS MCLAREN MERCEDES 50
9 Sebastian Vettel GER ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 48
10 Pierre Gasly FRA ALPHATAURI HONDA 48
11 Esteban Ocon FRA ALPINE RENAULT 39
12 Fernando Alonso ESP ALPINE RENAULT 36
13 Lance Stroll CAN ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 18
14 Yuki Tsunoda JPN ALPHATAURI HONDA 16
15 Nicholas Latifi CAN WILLIAMS MERCEDES 4
16 George Russell GBR WILLIAMS MERCEDES 2
17 Kimi Räikkönen FIN ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 1
18 Antonio Giovinazzi ITA ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 1
19 Mick Schumacher GER HAAS FERRARI 0
20 Nikita Mazepin RAF HAAS FERRARI 0

[458 Italia]

Rules are rules, but come on well will it end!!?? When hamilton retires at 50?

[Warp]

Official : Vettel disqualified.

https://twitter.com/chrismedlandf1/status/1421924997942190084?s=21

[Ferrarichamp]

so more points for Ham, I'm surprised they haven't found anything illegal on Ocon's car.

[jgonzalesm6]

Official : Vettel disqualified.

https://twitter.com/chrismedlandf1/status/1421924997942190084?s=21

Yep, confirmed. Seb only had 0.3ltr of fuel in the car. FIA requires 1ltr of fuel.

Lewis moves up to 2nd place and Sainz to 3rd place.

[tifosi1993]

Podium for Sainz and he deserves it.

Today could've been even better, but oh well. On to SPA.

[Redfive]

What a terrible race, utterly shocked by Bottas with his experience taking out three cars. I'm sure Toto will offer him an extension now. and Seb disqualifed, I guess it's only a matter of time until Ocon is disqualified too for going up the steps too fast or farting on the podium and then Lew will get the win. FIA/F1 is more corrupt now that it's ever been. It's basically the Hamilton show, and will stay so until he retires. I wish Ferrari had made that threat come true a few years ago and pulled out of F1 to form a new series.

[jgonzalesm6]

What a terrible race, utterly shocked by Bottas with his experience taking out three cars. I'm sure Toto will offer him an extension now. and Seb disqualifed, I guess it's only a matter of time until Ocon is disqualified too for going up the steps too fast or farting on the podium and then Lew will get the win. FIA/F1 is more corrupt now that it's ever been. It's basically the Hamilton show, and will stay so until he retires. I wish Ferrari had made that threat come true a few years ago and pulled out of F1 to form a new series.

It was an interesting non-prediictable race.

Bottas does a Grosjean 2.0 (Spa 2012).

Lewis restarts the race all by himself......and is dead last.

Alonso defending Lewis for 4 laps. Man that was clean experienced defending by Alonso. He still has it.

Ocon won the race.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Seems like instead of finding wally, Aston Martin will be going on "finding fuelly" tomorrow :lol Congratulations to Carlos but I guess he'll have mixed feelings on this one considering he didn't get to see the podium in person.

[jgonzalesm6]

Aston Marting F1 will appeal the disqualification.

The FIA has impounded the entire Vettel car and will transport it to its technical facility in France, pending an appeal. Can't remember a team losing a whole car, PU et al like that. Luckily we have the summer break coming up

[Red Empire]

7826

:roll

[SS454]

Aston Marting F1 will appeal the disqualification.

The FIA has impounded the entire Vettel car and will transport it to its technical facility in France, pending an appeal. Can't remember a team losing a whole car, PU et al like that. Luckily we have the summer break coming up

What can they appeal? It's a pretty black and white rule. Must have 1L of fuel in the tank at the end of the race.

[jgonzalesm6]

Final race classification is in. Vettel is P2. "The classification is provisional, subject to the outcome of the notice of appeal lodged by Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team against Stewards decision 59." So for now, he gets the point

[jgonzalesm6]

What can they appeal? It's a pretty black and white rule. Must have 1L of fuel in the tank at the end of the race.

Well, the FIA have impounded the car so they migtt extract the 1ltr of fuel.

[330 p4]

so more points for Ham, I'm surprised they haven't found anything illegal on Ocon's car.

Screw that piece of poo it's more points for Ferrari that's what's most important.

[tpe]

No.
If they cannot find the 1.4 it, then Ferrari has a smoking gun in their hands.How on earth the mighty FIA fuel sensors missed that?
I still have the feeling that the Merc engine is not 100% legal. I cannot believe that there is car that is 3 SECONDS per lap faster than anyone else and still follow the same strict rules...

BTW: Renault definitely cheat on the engine. Mighty Lewis and mighty Mercedes couldn't pass Alonso even with DRS?
/sarcasm off

Those were the arguments of the anti-Ferrari in 2019...

[SS454]

No.
If they cannot find the 1.4 it, then Ferrari has a smoking gun in their hands.How on earth the mighty FIA fuel sensors missed that?
I still have the feeling that the Merc engine is not 100% legal. I cannot believe that there is car that is 3 SECONDS per lap faster than anyone else and still follow the same strict rules...

BTW: Renault definitely cheat on the engine. Mighty Lewis and mighty Mercedes couldn't pass Alonso even with DRS?
/sarcasm off

Those were the arguments of the anti-Ferrari in 2019...

I don't think Renault are cheating. You could see Lewis was saving battery power around the twisty section and then deploying it around the straights and up to turn 4. Hamilton had a huge straight line advantage but was too far back out of the last corner, and then through turn 1 and turn 2 Alonso just did a brilliant job defending.

[330 p4]

Appaling race for that piece of poo in the Merc. Had an open goal that a few years ago it would have taken but could not do it despite 3 second a lap advantage. Such a shame he took a Ferrari for 2nd race running but times are changing.

[ferrari1.8t]

so more points for Ham, I'm surprised they haven't found anything illegal on Ocon's car.

I’m sure there is a whole team at the FIA whose sole job is making sure Hamilton has it easy. I am happy that Saniz got the podium as he had a great race today and deserved it. However, it is a bad look for F1. Bottas and Stoll destroy 4-5 other drivers race and only get a slap on the wrist. AM can’t get 1L of fuel out of the car and Seb gets disqualified after a flawless race? The penalties don’t fit the crime.

What’s worse is now AM is appealing the ruling. Highly unlikely that they will succeed, however how stupid will F1 and the FIA look if they have to reverse the results again? There has to be a better way, they look like amateurs.

[jgonzalesm6]

I’m sure there is a whole team at the FIA whose sole job is making sure Hamilton has it easy. I am happy that Saniz got the podium as he had a great race today and deserved it. However, it is a bad look for F1. Bottas and Stoll destroy 4-5 other drivers race and only get a slap on the wrist. AM can’t get 1L of fuel out of the car and Seb gets disqualified after a flawless race? The penalties don’t fit the crime.

What’s worse is now AM is appealing the ruling. Highly unlikely that they will succeed, however how stupid will F1 and the FIA look if they have to reverse the results again? There has to be a better way, they look like amateurs.

Bottas and Stroll will serve a 5 place grid penalty at Spa.

Seb's car has been impoiunded by the FIA for further scrutineering while AMF1 appeals the disqualification.

[WS6TransAm01]

Stick a fork in it. F1 is done.

RoGro got a race ban for taking out a few cars at the start in Spa. Bottas does it and only a 5 spot drop. FIA doing everything they can to help the guy who likes to get on his knees.

[tifosi1993]

Grosjean was repeatedly crashing into people and SPA was bonedry compared to yesterday. Hence the one race ban.

But yes, in the current age of budget cap, there should be some big ramification for both the driver and the team for causing multicar pileup at the start. It was a genuine mistake from both Bottas and Stroll in a wet track surface, but the people they took out will pay even bigger price than 5-place grid drop.

[stefa]

It was called the fastest circus, but now it just a CIRCUS!!!

[Brembo]

That 100th win is not coming easy. One month rest should get all drivers back strong. Saintz podium gives us Ferrari fans strength and hope for more this season.

[Nick Singer]

What a terrible race, utterly shocked by Bottas with his experience taking out three cars. I'm sure Toto will offer him an extension now. and Seb disqualifed, I guess it's only a matter of time until Ocon is disqualified too for going up the steps too fast or farting on the podium and then Lew will get the win. FIA/F1 is more corrupt now that it's ever been. It's basically the Hamilton show, and will stay so until he retires. I wish Ferrari had made that threat come true a few years ago and pulled out of F1 to form a new series.

Pleased for SAI, disappointed for LEC. BOT and STR are a pair of ***clowns.

Can't believe RUS won't get the number two Mercedes seat next term - but maybe Toto will want to retain HAM's boot cleaner..

What has VET done to upset the maFIA?

Utter ******* clown show!

[KimiBot]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.onboard-carlos-sainz-dodges-crashes-in-crash-strewn-start-to-hungarian-grand-prix.1706898166815525587.html

[hakanabi]

Hamilton was driving that merc in full power almost entire race, Sainz said that he had to safe fuel in last 10 laps or so. Vettel had to stop his car on track due to not having enough fuel left in his tank. The question here is how on earth that Merc is able to save all that fuel when Ham is almost running that cat in fuel power, it really baffles me and can't get my head around it.

[ferrari1.8t]

That 100th win is not coming easy. One month rest should get all drivers back strong. Saintz podium gives us Ferrari fans strength and hope for more this season.

I thought you learned your lesson, enough with the trolling. Are you going to celebrate when the FIA gift him his 100th?

[gump1480]

Did we lose the engine on Leclerc's car? Any news?
Reading reports that Verstappen will be on his 4th engine and hence will have to take grid penalty in the upcoming Belgium GP.

[ferrari1.8t]

Bottas and Stroll will serve a 5 place grid penalty at Spa.

Seb's car has been impoiunded by the FIA for further scrutineering while AMF1 appeals the disqualification.

I’m aware of the penalties and of the appeal. The whole thing looks bad, especially if they flip-flop again.

[stefa]

I thought you learned your lesson, enough with the trolling. Are you going to celebrate when the FIA gift him his 100th?

:thumb

[stefa]

Hamilton was driving that merc in full power almost entire race, Sainz said that he had to safe fuel in last 10 laps or so. Vettel had to stop his car on track due to not having enough fuel left in his tank. The question here is how on earth that Merc is able to save all that fuel when Ham is almost running that cat in fuel power, it really baffles me and can't get my head around it.

Yeap! Great question, will probably never know the answer!

[jgonzalesm6]

Did we lose the engine on Leclerc's car? Any news?
Reading reports that Verstappen will be on his 4th engine and hence will have to take grid penalty in the upcoming Belgium GP.

Nothing on Leclerc's car but it is possible he will need a new PU.

Max won't need a new PU BUT Perez looks like it is possible he might need one.

[jgonzalesm6]

Anyone remember when was the last time we heard the French Anthem played???

[Greig]

Anyone remember when was the last time we heard the French Anthem played???

Prob at the French GP :-)

[Tifoso Svedese]

Anyone remember when was the last time we heard the French Anthem played???

For a win, Gasly at Monza last year! Short memory? :-P

[jgonzalesm6]

For a win, Gasly at Monza last year! Short memory? :-P

yep......winner winner chicken dinner.

[wisepie]

Hamilton was driving that merc in full power almost entire race, Sainz said that he had to safe fuel in last 10 laps or so. Vettel had to stop his car on track due to not having enough fuel left in his tank. The question here is how on earth that Merc is able to save all that fuel when Ham is almost running that cat in fuel power, it really baffles me and can't get my head around it.

Just another way that Merc and HAM have the FIA in their pocket, probably. I smell several rats!:furious

[SS454]

Hamilton was driving that merc in full power almost entire race, Sainz said that he had to safe fuel in last 10 laps or so. Vettel had to stop his car on track due to not having enough fuel left in his tank. The question here is how on earth that Merc is able to save all that fuel when Ham is almost running that cat in fuel power, it really baffles me and can't get my head around it.

This is the Mercedes PU advantage they have had all season. The whole fight to ban RBR's flexy wing and Lewis crying about lack of power is all nonsense. Mercedes are able to crank up the juice when they want and I suspect the second half of the season may continue to be a Mercedes domination, if they don't make mistakes.

[Ferrari312T4]

Hamilton was driving that merc in full power almost entire race, Sainz said that he had to safe fuel in last 10 laps or so. Vettel had to stop his car on track due to not having enough fuel left in his tank. The question here is how on earth that Merc is able to save all that fuel when Ham is almost running that cat in fuel power, it really baffles me and can't get my head around it.

Indeed whenever Hamilton is in a pickle, they always seem to have more pace than others. Are other cars too draggy compared to Merc? Aston Martin has a similar PU. Who knows what grey areas Mercedes is exploiting with their engine. They probably never informed their clients about it

[Brembo]

I thought you learned your lesson, enough with the trolling. Are you going to celebrate when the FIA gift him his 100th?

Ferrari; our team has 16 WCCs, 15 WDCs; 237 race victories! Our team remains untouchable with the best F-1 records!! Him hitting 92 now maybe 100 wins has nothing to do with Ferrari our team here at our Ferrari F-1 Scuderia forum. We members will always be on top with our team's records. Nothing else counts. Enough with your trolling! :rotfl

[aroutis]

This is the Mercedes PU advantage they have had all season. The whole fight to ban RBR's flexy wing and Lewis crying about lack of power is all nonsense. Mercedes are able to crank up the juice when they want and I suspect the second half of the season may continue to be a Mercedes domination, if they don't make mistakes.

That does not answer the real question. How do they do this? Because the engines are supposed to have standard fuel consumption standards. So how is it they crank up the power and yet they don't run out of fuel?

[wisepie]

That does not answer the real question. How do they do this? Because the engines are supposed to have standard fuel consumption standards. So how is it they crank up the power and yet they don't run out of fuel?

It strikes me that we're seeing a few anomalies this season whereby there is not supposed to be any ICE upgrade but Merc and possibly now RB are seen to be able to raise their power output/deployment just when they need it most. Is that possible just through the MGU-K/MGU-H or is there something more akin to Ferrari's not quite illegal fuel flow system of 2019....will we ever know as Merc and Toto appear to run the FIA?!:-??

[Tifoso Svedese]

Now that it's confirmed that Leclerc will need a new PU wouldn't it be wise to take two new PU's for Spa for him and give Carlos his fourth since Spa is going to be a tall order to score any more than 4-5 points anyway? Just set the cars up for a wet race/long runs and gamble on starting from the back to avoid trouble. Sadly, I think Binotto is way too conservative to OK such a plan but we need to be able to run the engine aggressively towards the end of the year.

[Greig]

Now that it's confirmed that Leclerc will need a new PU wouldn't it be wise to take two new PU's for Spa for him and give Carlos his fourth since Spa is going to be a tall order to score any more than 4-5 points anyway? Just set the cars up for a wet race/long runs and gamble on starting from the back to avoid trouble. Sadly, I think Binotto is way too conservative to OK such a plan but we need to be able to run the engine aggressively towards the end of the year.

:rotfl

[wisepie]

I just saw that the engine on Charles' car is beyond repair after Stroll's assault and will need a new one for Spa. That could mean penalties later in the second half of the season and giving Carlos a new ICE so early after the break is counter-productive if it's not needed. And aren't they only allowed 3 ICE units for the whole season? We may well start nearer the mid-field/back at Spa anyway, but that's no guarantee of avoiding any melee at the start! A gamble whichever way you look at it, and not the driver's fault.:roll

[SS454]

That does not answer the real question. How do they do this? Because the engines are supposed to have standard fuel consumption standards. So how is it they crank up the power and yet they don't run out of fuel?

Teams always fuel their cars with less fuel than the car can actually hold. It is possible that Vettel's car had less fuel to start than Hamilton. DRS can play a significant role in fuel consumption as Vettel was set to start in traffic and likely have DRS, while Hamilton started at the front and likely would have very little DRS usage.

As for Sainz, well the Ferrari is said not be the most efficient engine on the grid, at least not compared to Mercedes.

[Nick Singer]

Perhaps Lawrence Stroll could reimburse us for LEC's new engine as it was his useless lump of a son who trashed it. I could get a car round a track faster than Daddy's boy, given a few lessons, and probably without taking out anyone else!

Angry? Just a tad..!

[Nick Singer]

I just saw that the engine on Charles' car is beyond repair after Stroll's assault and will need a new one for Spa. That could mean penalties later in the second half of the season and giving Carlos a new ICE so early after the break is counter-productive if it's not needed. And aren't they only allowed 3 ICE units for the whole season? We may well start nearer the mid-field/back at Spa anyway, but that's no guarantee of avoiding any melee at the start! A gamble whichever way you look at it, and not the driver's fault.:roll

Both Horner and Binotto floating the idea that those at fault should contribute to repair costs of others. Given the laughable 'budget cap' (death knell of F1) this is a serious matter. No way the teams and maFIA will ever agree but if a huge chunk of your CAPPED budget has to be spent on repairs caused by disciples of Onan such as BOT and STR something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark!

[tpe]

For me the most important element is the engine. Why should the Victims of a crash take 10 places penalty?

[jgonzalesm6]

Pirelli 18 inch tire test today at the Hungary track today.

Leclerc completed 91 laps(morning) while Sainz did 82 laps (afternoon) for a total of 173 laps.

Russell did 137 in the W12

Norris did 122 laps.

[Nick Singer]

Pirelli 18 inch tire test today at the Hungary track today.

Leclerc completed 91 laps(morning) while Sainz did 82 laps (afternoon) for a total of 173 laps.

Russell did 137 in the W12

Norris did 122 laps.

I'm sure the data gathered will be straight off to Mercedes so they can input their desired specs...

#NotReallyCynical

[wisepie]

I'm sure the data gathered will be straight off to Mercedes so they can input their desired specs...

#NotReallyCynical

You are definitely angry, always, Nick and there are many of us who feel the same!;-)

[Greig]

Aston Martin denied the right to appeal, they claimed a fuel leak, FIA say tough :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Aston Martin denied the right to appeal, they claimed a fuel leak, FIA say tough :-D

Well yes. AMF1 claimed a faulty fuel pump. FIA said tough cookies. However, the appeal against the penalty is a separate and ongoing matter.

[Greig]

Well yes. AMF1 claimed a faulty fuel pump. FIA said tough cookies. However, the appeal against the penalty is a separate and ongoing matter.

No they have been refused the right to review it, so unless they take it further then the penalty will stand.

[jgonzalesm6]

No they have been refused the right to review it, so unless they take it further then the penalty will stand.

AMF1 is taking it further,hence why the appeal against the penalty is a separate and ongoing matter.

[Silent Bob]

Ya. I think this is a dead end for AM. FIA has given them a hard no.

[Greig]

AMF1 is taking it further,hence why the appeal against the penalty is a separate and ongoing matter.

They said they would consider their position, but as they have no new evidence that's the end of it really. As it stands they have no appeal it's been denied.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ya. I think this is a dead end for AM. FIA has given them a hard no.

Huge implications in the championship should it come down to 3 points at the end of the year.

[KimiBot]

1 Lewis Hamilton GBR MERCEDES 195
2 Max Verstappen NED RED BULL RACING HONDA 187
3 Lando Norris GBR MCLAREN MERCEDES 113
4 Valtteri Bottas FIN MERCEDES 108
5 Sergio Perez MEX RED BULL RACING HONDA 104
6 Carlos Sainz ESP FERRARI 83
7 Charles Leclerc MON FERRARI 80
8 Pierre Gasly FRA ALPHATAURI HONDA 50
9 Daniel Ricciardo AUS MCLAREN MERCEDES 50
10 Esteban Ocon FRA ALPINE RENAULT 39
11 Fernando Alonso ESP ALPINE RENAULT 38
12 Sebastian Vettel GER ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 30
13 Yuki Tsunoda JPN ALPHATAURI HONDA 18
14 Lance Stroll CAN ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 18
15 Nicholas Latifi CAN WILLIAMS MERCEDES 6
16 George Russell GBR WILLIAMS MERCEDES 4
17 Kimi Räikkönen FIN ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 2
18 Antonio Giovinazzi ITA ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 1
19 Mick Schumacher GER HAAS FERRARI 0
20 Nikita Mazepin RAF HAAS FERRARI 0



1 MERCEDES 303
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 291
3 FERRARI 163
4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 163
5 ALPINE RENAULT 77
6 ALPHATAURI HONDA 68
7 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 48
8 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 10
9 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 3
10 HAAS FERRARI 0

[ferrari1.8t]

1 Lewis Hamilton GBR MERCEDES 195
2 Max Verstappen NED RED BULL RACING HONDA 187
3 Lando Norris GBR MCLAREN MERCEDES 113
4 Valtteri Bottas FIN MERCEDES 108
5 Sergio Perez MEX RED BULL RACING HONDA 104
6 Carlos Sainz ESP FERRARI 83
7 Charles Leclerc MON FERRARI 80
8 Pierre Gasly FRA ALPHATAURI HONDA 50
9 Daniel Ricciardo AUS MCLAREN MERCEDES 50
10 Esteban Ocon FRA ALPINE RENAULT 39
11 Fernando Alonso ESP ALPINE RENAULT 38
12 Sebastian Vettel GER ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 30
13 Yuki Tsunoda JPN ALPHATAURI HONDA 18
14 Lance Stroll CAN ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 18
15 Nicholas Latifi CAN WILLIAMS MERCEDES 6
16 George Russell GBR WILLIAMS MERCEDES 4
17 Kimi Räikkönen FIN ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 2
18 Antonio Giovinazzi ITA ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 1
19 Mick Schumacher GER HAAS FERRARI 0
20 Nikita Mazepin RAF HAAS FERRARI 0



1 MERCEDES 303
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 291
3 FERRARI 163
4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 163
5 ALPINE RENAULT 77
6 ALPHATAURI HONDA 68
7 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 48
8 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 10
9 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 3
10 HAAS FERRARI 0

Ham now leads Verstappen 195-187 instead of 192-186. Mercedes leads RB 303-291 instead of 300-290. May seem insignificant, but every point counts in this tight season.

At least Carlos and Ferrari got a podium and additional points after all this mess!

[SS454]

Huge implications in the championship should it come down to 3 points at the end of the year.

Aston Martin should have controlled their fuel level better. Regardless if it was a DQ or 10 second penalty, Vettel deserved the punishment as the rule is very clear about 1L left in the tank.

[tpe]

This is fishy

[Silent Bob]

Huge implications in the championship should it come down to 3 points at the end of the year.


No kidding. Remember at the beginning of this season when people were saying AM would be the 3rd best team and Ferrari would be lucky to finish 6th.

[Greig]

Huge implications in the championship should it come down to 3 points at the end of the year.

Ferrari v McLaren?

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferrari v McLaren?

lol. No. Verstappen vs Hamilton. I’m not RB fan, but I’m a fan of Verstappen protecting one of the last records that our Schumacher holds.

But yes, our extra points will inevitably help us take P3 from McLaren, which is great!!

[jgonzalesm6]

AMF1 drops their appeal. Seb is officially disqualified due to a technicallity. No fault of his own..

[wisepie]

Although Seb's disqualification and many like it are unfair on the drivers when it's a team mistake, I'm grateful for the extra points it gives Carlos. Likewise, drivers being penalised when they lose an engine through no fault of their own (Charles, Hungary) is not fair, either. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.:Hmm

[Brembo]

Max had; has the right idea, go for the win at any cost. The penalties are there even when it's not the drivers fault. For the most part it worked for him. Charles, Hungary is a true example.