Dutch GP 2021 : Race

[jgonzalesm6]

Looks to be a procession race...with multiple safety cars I presume.

[wisepie]

Just hoping that we can avoid any contact and the boys will do their best, should be an interesting race the circuit looks great in the sunshine, unlike Spa last week. Forza to our ragazzi.:pray

[stefa]

Hope we can get most of todays race :ferrarifl

[stefa]

Hope CL and CS can clear Gasly ASAP

[stefa]

I cannot remember a race where stands ware that packed with people!?!?

[gump1480]

Poor race pace compared to Gasly

[stefa]

LH, already started his drama

[Rob]

Got gt world challenge endurance on. But, like to dind link to have f1 on. If anyone has good reliable link please

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton: These tyres are going to struggle to keep this pace."

English translation: I am going to slow the pace to keep more grip and attack later.

[ntukza]

Falling behind the AlphaTauri at a rate of knots.

[stefa]

Got gt world challenge endurance on. But, like to dind link to have f1 on. If anyone has good reliable link please

http://f1livegp.me/f1/live.php

[elnano14]

We're too far behind Gasly...

[stefa]

Hamilton: These tyres are going to struggle to keep this pace."

English translation: I am going to slow the pace to keep more grip and attack later.

Of course. He set FL

[stefa]

We're too far behind Gasly...

Relax. Long game

[gump1480]

I think we split the strategy...Lec 2 stop and Sainz 1 stop. Leclerc closing gap to Gasly

[elnano14]

Charles is closing to Gasly

[stefa]

CL is slowly eating PG lead away

[stefa]

SP is doing some serious overtaking

[stefa]

They need to pit CL NOW!

[gump1480]

What is the pitlane loss time here?

[stefa]

Now it is late. PG is lapping second faster than both Ferrari cars

[stefa]

Both Ferrari pitted for HARD

[drax]

Is Gasly on mediums ?

[ntukza]

We're put on hards when those around us put on mediums. We ran a longer first stint though so obviously going for a one stop. Worth a try.

[stefa]

Is Gasly on mediums ?

Yes

[elnano14]

Will Gasly go for the 2nd stop ?

[458 Italia]

:-ZZ:-ZZ :-ZZ

GT World Challenge much more interesting.

[gump1480]

Any comparison of laptimes for Sainz vs Per

[stefa]

Track is really nice, but there are not so many places for overtaking

[stefa]

six driver in same lap

[gump1480]

Ok never mind ..Per is dropping back

[patrese86]

Gasly will have to stop again or his tyres will be shot by the end. Either way we should get past.

[stefa]

Hopefully this race is going to be great haul of point against McLaren

[ntukza]

Ferrari doing reasonably well right now. Hopefully when PG pits we'll have enough tyres to keep him behind.

[ntukza]

Hopefully this race is going to be great haul of point against McLaren

True.

[KimiBot]

nice to hear ham crying

[stefa]

PG is on MEDIUM, and they are 10 laps older than Ferrari HARD

[stefa]

nice to hear ham crying

:-D

[stefa]

Unfortunately I don't think Ferrari has what is needed to pas PG

[elnano14]

Sainz is losing too much time, gap to Alonso now is only 9s

[gump1480]

PG is on MEDIUM, and they are 10 laps older than Ferrari HARD

And yet the gap is not coming down for last 3-4 laps...stuck at 4-5 s

[elnano14]

We're baited by Gasly's stragety

[stefa]

PG is faster than CL in S1 and S3

[stefa]

And yet the gap is not coming down for last 3-4 laps...stuck at 4-5 s

And I don't think it'll go down

[ntukza]

Turns out Gasly has been asked to make it a one-stopper. Leclerc will have to catch and pass him.

[gump1480]

Seems like not much difference in tire life between Hards and Meds....Alonso coming for Sainz

[patrese86]

Damn, might not get gasly after all. Sainz not close enough to Charles. Poor weekend for him. Hope he can hold on to sixth

[stefa]

FA will overtake CS

[elnano14]

*** happened to Carlos. His pace is dropping massively in the 2nd stint

[stefa]

CS race pace is AWFUL!!! 1:19

[gump1480]

For all the talks about Sainz being the driver who takes care of tires in race...he was absolutely **** today. He may not finish within points

[ntukza]

Sainz now 30s behind Leclerc.

[stefa]

And CL pace went to worst, also

[drax]

Sainz is really slow, guess our tire ware problems are back

[patrese86]

Charles did alot laps on the softs. In hindsight we should of gone medium. Oh well. Think we went hard at portimao and it worked well for us. Not sure what compound the hard was there though

[gump1480]

Leclerc also dropping like a stone.

[ntukza]

Leclerc slowing down!

[stefa]

At appears that M on PG is working better than H on Ferrari

[ntukza]

Losing time rapidly to Gasly all of a sudden. Oh no.

[stefa]

What the hell is going on?!?!? CL dropped in pace like 3 seconds?!?!?!?

[patrese86]

Had leclerc got an issue..timings don't add up

[drax]

Maybe they should pit LEC just to be safe his pace is also dropping big time

[stefa]

RP got LN

[patrese86]

Even the hards haven't worked for Max really. Hamilton has been able to stay in touch.

[stefa]

CL is now back in 1:15

[stefa]

PG is now in 1:18

[ntukza]

These commentators are useless! Nothing at all on Leclerc.

[springfield]

Probably just being lapped by Max and Lewis. Calm down.

[gump1480]

At appears that M on PG is working better than H on Ferrari

I somehow have a feeling it maynot be completely tire related...could be fuel consumption too...remember Sainz in Hungary was fuel saving

[stefa]

Carlos!!!! Lost a place in last lap!?!!?

[Tifoso Svedese]

Well done by Charles but a disastrous performance by Carlos unless his car was broken at the end.

[stefa]

SC need to do better!

[tifosi1993]

Well done Charles, P5. Sainz P7, hefty amount of points for Ferrari.

In hindsight, Ferrari should've gone for the undercut with Charles.

[gump1480]

Carlos!!!! Lost a place in last lap!?!!?

Horrible race by Sainz

[Noquarter]

Carlos!!!! Lost a place in last lap!?!!?
Sainz is just mediocre. 30s behind Charles.

[patrese86]

Them tyres were shocking but Charles still performed much better than Carlos. Disappointing from the Spaniard

[stefa]

Great point haul but I am little disappointed we are not able to challenge Alpha Tauri

[20000rpm]

Congrts to Max.. Good drive.
Shame that Ferrari sux on Hards. Carlos could only do so much but we really need to improve our performance on the hards.
Charles, defended his position.
DRiver of the day- Perez.

[ntukza]

Probably just being lapped by Max and Lewis. Calm down.

Good point.

[Warp]

Please delete this track from the calendar, along with Monaco...

[gump1480]

Sainz is just mediocre. 30s behind Charles.

And people thought he had a real chance against Ves as teammate !! He is a good second driver

[ntukza]

Sainz is just mediocre. 30s behind Charles.

Strange.

[tifosi1993]

People always say Sainz is closer, but I guess they only watch the end results. Sainz never had any pace advantage over Charles, nor I expect him to. The reason why he's so close to Charles is because he bagged up 34 points when Leclerc had DNF's (one being a DNS).

Now I hope Ferrari will bring the power upgrade for Monza.

[20000rpm]

This technique used by Mercedes to close the points difference to Max by using Fastest lap is intriguing.

[ntukza]

Well done Ferrari. Pity we couldn't beat Gasly but great driving from Leclerc.

[stefa]

That engine upgrade for Ferrari could not come sooner! We need it desperatelly!

[ntukza]

Max is simply brilliant. Great drive by him. He should have gotten driver of the day in my opinion.

[Warp]

That engine upgrade for Ferrari could not come sooner! We need it desperatelly!

It will change nothing. We're so much behind.

[stefa]

Max is simply brilliant. Great drive by him. He should have gotten driver of the day in my opinion.

No! Driver like him in great machinery out in front, way to easy!

[stefa]

It will change nothing. We're so much behind.

I know. I am thinking of it in terms of helping us to be clearly 3rd team on the track

[Tifoso Svedese]

Sainz clearly needs to work on his general race pace on tyre-eating circuits to be a long-term Ferrari fixture. Both at Portimão and here the pace differential between the two and the late-stage drop off was very hard to explain away.

For 2023 there's Gasly available for example and Norris probably has a performance-related exit clause at McLaren as I sort of expect them to fall off next year so he needs to be on his toes. Incumbency didn't save Vettel's seat although I think he'll probably also be given 2023 for now.

[hakanabi]

No! Driver like him in great machinery out in front, way to easy!

You see where has team mates has been over the past a few years and look at perez in this year also. If it was another driver in that redbull, Hamilton possibly would have been way ahead in terms of points in championship. Max is over driving that car pretty much in every race really so no, I don't think it is easy as you put said.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think only Leclerc would stand a chance against Max as a team mate. No-one else. Hammy clearly has a superior car also this year but can't make it work.

[20000rpm]

I seriously wonder why Gasly has not been considered for Red Bull instead of Perez. He has shown lot of potential who could utilise the RB's car to its fullest.

[KimiBot]

1 Max Verstappen NED RED BULL RACING HONDA 224.5
2 Lewis Hamilton GBR MERCEDES 221.5
3 Valtteri Bottas FIN MERCEDES 123
4 Lando Norris GBR MCLAREN MERCEDES 114
5 Sergio Perez MEX RED BULL RACING HONDA 108
6 Charles Leclerc MON FERRARI 92
7 Carlos Sainz ESP FERRARI 89.5
8 Pierre Gasly FRA ALPHATAURI HONDA 66
9 Daniel Ricciardo AUS MCLAREN MERCEDES 56
10 Fernando Alonso ESP ALPINE RENAULT 46
11 Esteban Ocon FRA ALPINE RENAULT 44
12 Sebastian Vettel GER ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 35
13 Yuki Tsunoda JPN ALPHATAURI HONDA 18
14 Lance Stroll CAN ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 18
15 George Russell GBR WILLIAMS MERCEDES 13
16 Nicholas Latifi CAN WILLIAMS MERCEDES 7
17 Kimi Räikkönen FIN ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 2
18 Antonio Giovinazzi ITA ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 1
19 Mick Schumacher GER HAAS FERRARI 0
20 Nikita Mazepin RAF HAAS FERRARI 0
21 Robert Kubica POL ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 0

[330 p4]

I seriously wonder why Gasly has not been considered for Red Bull instead of Perez. He has shown lot of potential who could utilise the RB's car to its fullest.

Perez has been amazing in midfield for years every bit as good as Gasly this year, Gasly was thrashed at Red Bull same as Perez so it would just be change for change sake. Also Perez won a race in a Red Bull, Gasly never came close.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Gasly has improved somewhat and it's also the case that the Red Bull cars he drove had a lot worse engines than the 2021 machines so he's going to look worse than Pérez by default in that sense. Checo has been the actual embarassment of this season to be honest. He's regularly almost a second slower than Max over one lap. That's bad.

[330 p4]

Gasly has improved somewhat and it's also the case that the Red Bull cars he drove had a lot worse engines than the 2021 machines so he's going to look worse than Pérez by default in that sense. Checo has been the actual embarassment of this season to be honest. He's regularly almost a second slower than Max over one lap. That's bad.

Red Bull have all the data, own both drivers and pick Perez so it is what it is. Red Bull know best and believe Perez is better than Gasly.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Red Bull have all the data, own both drivers and pick Perez so it is what it is. Red Bull know best and believe Perez is better than Gasly.

If so then the AT must be a rocketship and Tsunoda really must be the second coming of Taki Inoue :lol

[330 p4]

If so then the AT must be a rocketship and Tsunoda really must be the second coming of Taki Inoue :lol

Maybe. Or we should let Red Bull know as they may have missed something.

[elnano14]

I think only Leclerc would stand a chance against Max as a team mate. No-one else. Hammy clearly has a superior car also this year but can't make it work.

Alonso

[Tifoso Svedese]

Alonso

Ain't 2018 no more. Hardly better than Ocon nowadays.

[20000rpm]

These commentators are useless! Nothing at all on Leclerc.

I Always watch the race with their commentary muted. Trust me, the one who said "silence is golden" was not kidding. Applies more when crofty and his minions get an orgasm whenever there is something concerning with hamilton.

[tifosi1993]

I Always watch the race with their commentary muted. Trust me, the one who said "silence is golden" was not kidding. Applies more when crofty and his minions get an orgasm whenever there is something concerning with hamilton.

That's the way to go. Mute SkyF1 and enjoy the race.

[ntukza]

Alonso

Lando
George
And yes, Lewis

[ntukza]

No! Driver like him in great machinery out in front, way to easy!

Nah it's more than that. The boy is talented, mature, focused, and near-perfect. That was a rather stressful race but handled it very well.

[ntukza]

I know. I am thinking of it in terms of helping us to be clearly 3rd team on the track

Agreed. It could help us avoid being beaten by the likes of Gasly and Norris. That's mega.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Assuming the upgrade would mean 0.3 s/lap on a track like Zandvoort and 0.5 s/lap at Silverstone it would be a gamechanger.

Silverstone:

HAM 1:26.134
VER 1:26.209
BOT 1:26.238
LEC 1:26.328
SAI 1:26.507
PER 1:26.844
NOR 1:26.897

Zandvoort:

VER: 1:08.885
HAM: 1:08.923
BOT: 1:09.222
LEC: 1:09.227 (going slower on Q3 lap than in Q2 presumably due to overdriving the weak-engined car with lower wing than competition).
SAI: 1:09.237
GIO: 1:09.290
GAS: 1:09.478

In effect, we wouldn't even have to think about Gasly and Norris anymore for the rest of the season.

In race trim it would almost universally be worth half a minute and sometimes more with ease due to different DF configurations.

[KimiBot]

1 MERCEDES 344.5
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 332.5
3 FERRARI 181.5
4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 170
5 ALPINE RENAULT 90
6 ALPHATAURI HONDA 84
7 ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES 53
8 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 20
9 ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 3
10 HAAS FERRARI 0

[Jax]

Assuming the upgrade would mean 0.3 s/lap on a track like Zandvoort and 0.5 s/lap at Silverstone it would be a gamechanger.

Silverstone:

HAM 1:26.134
VER 1:26.209
BOT 1:26.238
LEC 1:26.328
SAI 1:26.507
PER 1:26.844
NOR 1:26.897

Zandvoort:

VER: 1:08.885
HAM: 1:08.923
BOT: 1:09.222
LEC: 1:09.227 (going slower on Q3 lap than in Q2 presumably due to overdriving the weak-engined car with lower wing than competition).
SAI: 1:09.237
GIO: 1:09.290
GAS: 1:09.478

In effect, we wouldn't even have to think about Gasly and Norris anymore for the rest of the season.

In race trim it would almost universally be worth half a minute and sometimes more with ease due to different DF configurations.

Unfortunatly it does nto work this way !!!

[wisepie]

Disappointing but not unexpected result, I didn't see any interviews with Charles or Carlos as to why their races turned out to be so mediocre as it was all about Max and HAM. Not sure the hards did us any favours but the mediums probably wouldn't have lasted, and sad to see Nando passing Carlos on the last lap. Charles just kept his head and brought it home, but performance wasn't enough to get close enough to Gasly, he did try but presumably had to back off, fuel or tyre-related? I wish we were bringing our upgrade to Monza because the way things stand, we just won't be able to defend and the sprint race and actual GP will be hard to watch. At least today we gained on Mclaren, but it was all a bit frustrating for us and our drivers.

[paolo lalli]

It a long way back to third best,in many aspects ferrari need more power,and Monza will expose them big time at a power hungry circuit they will be sitting ducks,I expect a very difficult weekend coming up.

[330 p4]

It a long way back to third best,in many aspects ferrari need more power,and Monza will expose them big time at a power hungry circuit they will be sitting ducks,I expect a very difficult weekend coming up.

Sad but true. Think McLaren performance this week relevant to Ferrari and Monza will be a role reversal maybe worse. Expect Alpha Tauri, Aston and McLaren to have a pace advantage. Getting into Q3 with 1 car would be good.

[ntukza]

Disappointing but not unexpected result, I didn't see any interviews with Charles or Carlos as to why their races turned out to be so mediocre as it was all about Max and HAM. Not sure the hards did us any favours but the mediums probably wouldn't have lasted, and sad to see Nando passing Carlos on the last lap. Charles just kept his head and brought it home, but performance wasn't enough to get close enough to Gasly, he did try but presumably had to back off, fuel or tyre-related? I wish we were bringing our upgrade to Monza because the way things stand, we just won't be able to defend and the sprint race and actual GP will be hard to watch. At least today we gained on Mclaren, but it was all a bit frustrating for us and our drivers.

+1

I was also surprised not to see interviews with our drivers. I waited and waited.

[Rob]

Charles Leclerc #16

I’m pretty happy with our overall performance of this weekend. Finishing with both cars in the points today is a good result.
The start was good, but then I didn’t want to take too many risks. I think the main surprise for everyone was how long the Mediums could last. Still, I think that the Soft–Hard combination was the right choice for us. We were very close in pace to the car ahead, but it was just not enough today.
The atmosphere was amazing, and it was really great to see so many people cheering in the grandstands. I can’t wait to see the same, just in red, in Monza next week.



Carlos Sainz #55

Overall it’s been a positive weekend for the team, although it hasn’t been the best for me, despite the good recovery from yesterday. My race today was very far from what I was looking for. I could not match the pace I had on Friday, as I completely lost the good feeling I’d had with the car up until then. I just couldn’t find the right balance, sliding too much and I had a lot of degradation. I was planning to attack and fight for positions, but I ended up having to defend. We need to analyse what happened today and move on. On the positive side, we scored some good points for the team, which puts us in a stronger position in the Constructors’. Now I am looking forward to Monza. It will be my first Italian GP as a Ferrari driver and I am sure it’ll be a weekend I will remember forever.



Mattia Binotto Team Principal

A solid race from the whole team, which allowed us to bring home a significant points haul for the Constructors’ classification. We knew that, on a track that is very demanding in terms of tyre management, we could have found ourselves in a situation similar to the one we experienced at the French Grand Prix, but the team and drivers have worked a lot on this aspect and the results of our efforts were clear to see.
Of course, it’s not a result to get really excited about and we are perfectly aware that there is still a lot to do to get back to the same level as those currently fighting for the wins.
Now our focus shifts immediately to the next race at Monza.After a great show from the Dutch fans this weekend, we can’t wait to be racing in front of our own tifosi and we hope we can give them something to smile about.

[Cavallino]

Unfortunatly it does nto work this way !!!

It's actually not that far fetched.

[Cavallino]

And people thought he had a real chance against Ves as teammate !! He is a good second driver

Actually he was right there with Max when they were teammates. They were split in qualifying results if I recall. Sainz just got shafted on reliablity though.

[Cavallino]

Lando
George
And yes, Lewis

What really made me crazy is when they blamed the lack of Qualifying performance from George and Lando on the wind.

that wind, it only effects British drivers. :roll

[aroutis]

Perez has been amazing in midfield for years every bit as good as Gasly this year, Gasly was thrashed at Red Bull same as Perez so it would just be change for change sake. Also Perez won a race in a Red Bull, Gasly never came close.

Gasly never had the chance to drive this RBR. If he can be this good with this Alfa Tauri, I am pretty certain he could have a chance to make P1 at one race at least.

My opinion is that RBR wants a very strong #1 at Max and a supportive #2. Perez could be that #2, but if he wants to keep his place, he needs to deliver further.

[Warp]

Considering Bottas' team radios i'm pretty sure he has signed with Alfa Romeo already.

[Brembo]

Imagine Russell finished 17th behind his team mate no less, and Bottas on the podium in 3rd. Quali is where it counts! :rotfl

[stefa]

Considering Bottas' team radios i'm pretty sure he has signed with Alfa Romeo already.

GR to Mercedes and VB to Alfa Romeo

[Warp]

GR to Mercedes and VB to Alfa Romeo

Yes. It's already confirmed for Bottas. Multi-year deal.

https://twitter.com/alfaromeoracing/status/1434841578254835713?s=19

[FerrariF60]

Yes. It's already confirmed for Bottas. Multi-year deal.

https://twitter.com/alfaromeoracing/status/1434841578254835713?s=19

Good for him, at least he won’t play second fiddle to anyone anymore....he won’t be wining races in an Alfa, but at least he’ll have fun

[stefa]

Good for him, at least he won’t play second fiddle to anyone anymore....he won’t be wining races in an Alfa, but at least he’ll have fun

And maybe wisper some Mercedes secrets to Ferrari engeeniers...

[Cavallino]

And maybe wisper some Mercedes secrets to Ferrari engeeniers...

After the way he was treated, he should.

But it doesn't matter anyway because Red Bull got what they wanted and the freeze was moved forward.

[wisepie]

GR to Mercedes and VB to Alfa Romeo

Much as I dislike Hamilton, I'm getting pretty fed up with the adulation being heaped on RUS, so Merc are welcome to both of them!:roll

[Shadowfax84]

That was a painful race to watch. Are we getting the engine upgrade in Monza or we going to get eaten alive by Honda and Mercs??

[Liscia]

As I said there is a nice flow to the track but it's WAAAAAY too narrow engendering a processional race - unfortunate:(
Congratulations to Ver for the win - as I'd hoped, anybody but Ham! Our guys did well in collecting some valuable points to get
us ahead of McLaren into 3rd where we will hopefully stay though Monza'll be a tough one unless our hopes/thirst for more power
materializes.

[FerrariF60]

That was a painful race to watch. Are we getting the engine upgrade in Monza or we going to get eaten alive by Honda and Mercs??

From my understanding Ferrari said it will be after Monza....but maybe us fans will get a nice surprise this weekend....although I’m not banking anything on it

[Liscia]

Ferrari usually makes a special effort for Monza so I hope they DO surprise us - fingers crossed!

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think they'll run the engine a bit harder as standard setting at Monza because if goes pop no-one cares and if it works that's potentially a top six considering how good the car will be in the chicanes at that place. Charles wasn't too far off Q3 there last year with a lot worse engine than this time.

[WS6TransAm01]

That was a painful race to watch. Are we getting the engine upgrade in Monza or we going to get eaten alive by Honda and Mercs??

both.

Even if/when Ferrari introduce their new engine they will still get eaten alive by Honda and Merc.

[FerrariF60]

both.

Even if/when Ferrari introduce their new engine they will still get eaten alive by Honda and Merc.

Yeah, but not as bad of a blood bath....supposedly it’s a 20 hp upgrade....in F1 terms that is quite significant

[Brembo]

Much as I dislike Hamilton, I'm getting pretty fed up with the adulation being heaped on RUS, so Merc are welcome to both of them!:roll

Wisepie! I couldn't agree more.

[Cavallino]

Wisepie! I couldn't agree more.

yep.

just hope Charles is quicker.

and that Sainz and Leclerc are the quickest team.

[Brembo]

yep.

just hope Charles is quicker.

and that Sainz and Leclerc are the quickest team.

Given the car "They Are!"

[Alonsomaniac]

Ferrari usually makes a special effort for Monza so I hope they DO surprise us - fingers crossed!

Binotto on Dutch tv: Not for Monza, not for Sochi, but later in the season...........

[WS6TransAm01]

Yeah, but not as bad of a blood bath....supposedly it’s a 20 hp upgrade....in F1 terms that is quite significant

the problem is "supposedly" coupled with the many broken promises of the past.

[stisum]

Binotto on Dutch tv: Not for Monza, not for Sochi, but later in the season...........

Yeah, later in the skiing season :)

[ntukza]

Binotto on Dutch tv: Not for Monza, not for Sochi, but later in the season...........

Why bother.

[20000rpm]

That was a painful race to watch. Are we getting the engine upgrade in Monza or we going to get eaten alive by Honda and Mercs??

We are getting it at Turkish GP. That's the timeline given by Binotto. Can't recall gbe source, maybe Google can help.

[aroutis]

both.

Even if/when Ferrari introduce their new engine they will still get eaten alive by Honda and Merc.

If we were to get the new engine, 20 HP is not bad considering that we do have a really good aero.