Italian GP 2021 : Race

[jgonzalesm6]

Can Max win???

Can the Mclarens hold position??

Let's hope Leclerc and Sainz can hold position or move up the grid.

Looking for a clean race.

[ferrari1.8t]

Nothing like Monza! Forza Ferrari!

[nani_s23]

Can Max win???

Can the Mclarens hold position??

Let's hope Leclerc and Sainz can hold position or move up the grid.

Looking for a clean race.

I think 5th & 6th finish would be happy for us. Anything better than that is a bonus.
Both drivers are doing good job in main races so far.

Only worry is they are crashing the car in FP’s. Given budget cap, it’s a challenge.

On the other side. If max can hold his position at the start, victory is a cakewalk for him.

Honda engine is the benchmark & as I said earlier at the start of the season Max got the car to win championship.

[stefa]

YT willed of the starting grid

[ferrari1.8t]

@ Diek, get the DHL Crying award ready. Hamilton already crying that the RedBull had been updated and his Mercedes has nothing. According to Hamilton, it will be an easy win for Verstappen! Ham knows a few things about easy wins lol.

[stefa]

@ Diek, get the DHL Crying award ready. Hamilton already crying that the RedBull had been updated and his Mercedes has nothing. According to Hamilton, it will be an easy win for Verstappen! Ham knows a few things about easy wins lol.
:rotfl

[stefa]

Ferrari has won 19 times in Monza. This is the most win one time achieved on any track!

[stefa]

YT, brake problems

[jgonzalesm6]

@ Diek, get the DHL Crying award ready. Hamilton already crying that the RedBull had been updated and his Mercedes has nothing. According to Hamilton, it will be an easy win for Verstappen! Ham knows a few things about easy wins lol.

:-D

[jgonzalesm6]

GIO crashes.....oh dear.

[ferrari1.8t]

Hamilton crying again, that makes 3 times lol. “He pushed me off” hahah

[elnano14]

Perez is right behind..

[ferrari1.8t]

Clean start from Ferrari, Charles was worried about a puncture!

[Greig]

Well done Max :-D

[stefa]

SO glad Max showed muscles to LH

[stefa]

LH is on HARD tyres

[ferrari1.8t]

Saniz under pressure from Perez

[stefa]

McLaren will harwest great load of points today

[stefa]

Saniz under pressure from Perez

CS didn't last long

[ferrari1.8t]

CS didn't last long

Nope :-s

[Noquarter]

Sainz is just slow

[elnano14]

The gap from Lando/Lewis to Charles isn't bad at all. Charles is keeping it under 4s

[stefa]

CS lap times are dropping like stone in the water!

[stefa]

CS is 1 sec per lap slower than CL

[ferrari1.8t]

Charles gaining on Lewis!

[elnano14]

Is Carlos's car damaged from the incident with Gio ?

[DJTaurus]

Lec reaching Hamilton. Norris is slow.

[Noquarter]

Great pace for Charles. Keeping with McLaren

[KimiBot]

Charles is doing great job so far.

[elnano14]

Charles pace is now dropping

[DJTaurus]

Norris is building a free stop to Ver. Are we going for one stop ??

[stefa]

Such a shame MV lost pol, he would be now 10 sec in front of DR

[stefa]

LH lap times are now faster than the rest

[jgonzalesm6]

Bottas has a rocketship

[ferrari1.8t]

Devil at it again for Hamilton. What a joke.

[stefa]

Disaster for Red Bull

[Greig]

Super Red Bull.....

[stefa]

Devil at it again for Hamilton. What a joke.

Always :furious

[Warp]

Nice one Redbull...

[jgonzalesm6]

11sec. pit stop for Max. ffs!!!

[JChan]

hahaha

[Warp]

oh my god!

[Greig]

oooooh

[KimiBot]

LOL

[stefa]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stefa]

KARMA is a !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Hahaha…

Can Leclerc win this?

[JChan]

who is gonna get a penalty for next race? is it RB?

[stefa]

That one is for Silverstone!

[drax]

Ah, ah, ah ah

[DIEK]

:-E

[Greig]

Good job by Max :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Max and Lewis are out of the race.

[Rob]

Oh my :rotfl

[stefa]

Hahaha…

Can Leclerc win this?

McLarens are fast

[ferrari1.8t]

Wow. Brundle defending Verstappen?

[JChan]

racing incident it is

[Greig]

Halo to the rescue!

[ferrari1.8t]

Halo to the rescue!

100%

[Warp]

Halo saved Lewis' life by the way. Thanks god they introduced it.

[Aziz]

Wow. Brundle defending Verstappen?

Halo is an excellent safety tool

[jgonzalesm6]

Racing Incident

[330 p4]

AWESOME. That wheel was on Hamiltons head. Fantastic. Ferrari into 2nd come on LeClerc.

[458 Italia]

Oh my :rotfl

Damn! It looks like I missed something fun! :-D :rotfl

[ntukza]

Racing incident.

[Tifoso Svedese]

That was... something.

At least on this instance it was the halo for sure that did its job.

Come on Charles on the restart now :pray

The trackside device messed up there.

[ntukza]

AWESOME. That wheel was on Hamiltons head. Fantastic. Ferrari into 2nd come on LeClerc.

That was scary.

[TonyRizza]

Hamilton is **** awful at wheel to wheel racing unless his car is 2s a lap faster

[stefa]

This is LH first DNF in 63 races!!!!!!!! Well overdue!!!!

[Greig]

Lewis should get a grid drop next race for causing that collision tbh

[KimiBot]

Lewis should get a grid drop next race for causing that collision tbh

Well, I think so too.

[330 p4]

That was scary.

I'm still cheering it was brilliant. Nice to have a different winner and Ferrari are not that far off.

[stefa]

Lewis should get a grid drop next race for causing that collision tbh

I would be surprised that he got penalty

[killer]

That was... something.

At least on this instance it was the halo for sure that did its job.

Come on Charles on the restart now :pray

The trackside device messed up there.

Thin tyre age advantage for Charles; but if anyone can pull this off it is him.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I think it was 50-50 due to the track device launching Max into space and everyone knows what I think of Hammy :Hmm

At least both are okay.

[JChan]

LH is lucky because of the halo, if no halo I think is LH is equals -neck, a man without a neck

[jgonzalesm6]

Prost/Senna 1990 all over again.

[ferrari1.8t]

AWESOME. That wheel was on Hamiltons head. Fantastic. Ferrari into 2nd come on LeClerc.

I don’t like Ham, but that was scary dangerous. That halo saved his life….

[stefa]

It didnt last long

[Hornet]

We simply have no power:-(

[killer]

McLarens just ignoring track limits. Crofty and Brundle creaming their pants.

[Kyss4k]

Leclerc messed up EVERY race restart since his career in Ferrari. What is this guy doing? Sleeping or what?... Useless.

[Greig]

Noris should be made to give that back

[elnano14]

Our cars are getting eaten alive...

[killer]

Carlos needs a meaner rep.

[Greig]

Leclerc messed up EVERY race restart since his career in Ferrari. What is this guy doing? Sleeping or what?... Useless.

We are not great at getting tyres up to temp...yeah Leclerc is useless though.....

[stefa]

That engine is just too week

[killer]

OH SHUT IT SERGIO

[Greig]

Perez due a penalty for that one....

[jgonzalesm6]

Norris has balls of steel on that pass on Leclerc.....WOOOOW

[drax]

We need the extra HP

[Kyss4k]

We are not great at getting tyres up to temp...yeah Leclerc is useless though.....

You don't need tyres to react... right when everyone goes, he always starts with a huge gap on the guy infront. That's not tyres.

[killer]

Leclerc messed up EVERY race restart since his career in Ferrari. What is this guy doing? Sleeping or what?... Useless.

Leave it out.

[stefa]

5th and 6th max

[Tifoso Svedese]

Dammit dammit dammit.

However, Checo should have a +5 sec for that.

[stefa]

This 1-2 for McLaren will cement them in front of Ferrari in CWC

[ferrari1.8t]

Racing is so much better when Hamilton is not on track. To bad Bottas has pace, otherwise this would be a stellar race. I wish ferrari had more pace though

[Greig]

You don't need tyres to react... right when everyone goes, he always starts with a huge gap on the guy infront. That's not tyres.

:rotflnot true though.

[killer]

This 1-2 for McLaren will cement them in front of Ferrari in CWC

Bottas may have a say in that.

[Rob]

Haven't been following this year much. But, did we switch to the harder tyres? Looks like struggling on those.

[Rob]

How come lerez haven't had to give that place back.

[stefa]

Bottas may have a say in that.

Yeap. He is flying!

[killer]

Norris and Ricciardo will have a wreck… a controversy at a minimum.

[patrese86]

This is our maximum here. Those horses can't come soon enough

[killer]

Perez still due a sanction. That was a clear cut penalty.

[Kyss4k]

:rotflnot true though.

Yeah right. Why did Carlos not have the issue then? If tyres would have been so important on ROLLING start, then Bottas would on mediums would just flew past everyone else right when they would restart, even before the first turn. He just sleeps on the restarts and I have noticed that even in 2019.

[Greig]

Yeah right. Why did Carlos not have the issue then? If tyres would have been so important on ROLLING start, then Bottas would on mediums would just flew past everyone else right when they would restart, even before the first turn. He just sleeps on the restarts and I have noticed that even in 2019.

No

[ferrari1.8t]

5 second time penalty for Perez

[Greig]

Perez 5s penalty

[killer]

Yeah right. Why did Carlos not have the issue then? If tyres would have been so important on ROLLING start, then Bottas would on mediums would just flew past everyone else right when they would restart, even before the first turn. He just sleeps on the restarts and I have noticed that even in 2019.

You noticing doesn’t make it true.

[330 p4]

Dammit dammit dammit.

However, Checo should have a +5 sec for that.

Yeah but by the end he'll be more than 5 seconds ahead so no incentive nowadays to give it back. Remember 2010 British GP Alonso had to let Kubica back past but as Kubica had pitted he had to give up 30 seconds. That was a fire rule though.

[Warp]

Yeah right. Why did Carlos not have the issue then? If tyres would have been so important on ROLLING start, then Bottas would on mediums would just flew past everyone else right when they would restart, even before the first turn. He just sleeps on the restarts and I have noticed that even in 2019.

Because Norris kinda cheated there. First he exploited the track limits on Parabolica and then bumped a little on Leclerc.

[stefa]

At least it is interesting

[Noquarter]

McLaren not have the pace

[Rob]

Why after the race, do it at next stop.

[Greig]

Because Norris kinda cheated there. First he exploited the track limits on Parabolica and then bumped a little on Leclerc.

Indeed, but we can just blame Charles....

[Kyss4k]

Because Norris kinda cheated there. First he exploited the track limits on Parabolica and then bumped a little on Leclerc.

So everyone who is infront of Charles cheats on restarts? He does that every time. But whatever...

[Greig]

Charles coming back at em now.

[Kyss4k]

No

Yes

[stefa]

6 cars in 5 seconds

[Greig]

So everyone who is infront of Charles cheats on restarts? He does that every time. But whatever...

:rotfl

[Greig]

Yes

You are making things up

[killer]

Let’s see Lando’s balls of steel now.

[killer]

Charles coming back at em now.

Shhh… he is sleeping.

[ferrari1.8t]

Let’s see Lando’s balls of steel now.

He was told not to pass Ric.

[killer]

He was told not to pass Ric.

Exactly.

[Kyss4k]

You are making things up

Oh really? Well then find me a good restart from him please. I just don't remember any.

[killer]

It’s the same for everyone but that ability to take a time penalty after the race is bonkers.

[330 p4]

Both Ferrari's suffered in 1st few laps after safety car restart but now as quick as anyone. Must have been tyre warm up on hard tyres. Very impressive with this engine.

[Kyss4k]

Finally

[killer]

Well. Sadly we lose ground to McLaren but it is what it is. Ciao tutti.

[elnano14]

We need Bottas jumpping Perez and both McLarens to minimize the damage

[gump1480]

Sainz needs to stay within the 5 s of Perez...he is now 3.4 s adrift...come on Lec and Sainz close the gap.

[stefa]

CS is slow...Perez 5 second wont be enough to put him behind CS

[DJTaurus]

The only car to pull ways in this race was mercs.

[jgonzalesm6]

Shoey coming up....

[stefa]

CS is outside that 5 sec :furious

[gump1480]

CS is slow...Perez 5 second wont be enough to put him behind CS

Both are slow

[stefa]

CS is almost a second slower than CL

[elnano14]

Carlos is now outside of 5s from Perez...

[jgonzalesm6]

Ricciardo DoD.....

Great to see Mclaren win 1-2. Been a long time since we've seen Mclaren win 1-2

[stefa]

Best what can be achieved

[stefa]

Ricciardo DoD.....

Great to see Mclaren win 1-2. Been a long time since we've seen Mclaren win 1-2

Really I am not glad

[stefa]

As I said this McLaren 1-2 will cement them in front of Ferrari in CWC

[KimiBot]

Ricciardo DoD.....

Great to see Mclaren win 1-2. Been a long time since we've seen Mclaren win 1-2

:thumb

[Greig]

Really I am not glad

Indeed, shame they both never blew the engine on the last lap :rotfl

[Cavallino]

we don't heat up the harder tyres well especially, remember Silverstone how much Leclerc's pace dropped off when he went to the harder tyre. Not all his fault, but i think he can learn to tuck right behind the leader on restarts a little better.

I remember when Montoya was in F1, he was hailed at being great at restarts, it used to be a lot rarer in F1.

[tifosi1993]

P4 and P6. Oh well....add another 15-20HP and Charles wins this race. As I've said before, Ferrari should've brought that engine upgrade at SPA.

Sainz again had no answer to Charles's pace, as expected, and lost P5 to Perez. Disappointing race from him.

[stefa]

Indeed, shame they both never blew the engine on the last lap :rotfl

Agree :clap

[Cavallino]

I'd rather see Riccairdo win than Norris.

[ntukza]

Incredible from the McLaren boys!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ignoring the orange rocket one-off, 20 points is an excellent yield for the whole team at a circuit like this.

[Cavallino]

This engine penalty Ferrari has suffered these last 2 seasons, which was a lot of damage over a nothing infringement, is an absolute farce.

"Your penalty is you won't be able to overtake another car for 2 seasons."

[Schumiklub]

I hope that engine upgrade will come soon.

[tifosi1993]

Indeed, shame they both never blew the engine on the last lap :rotfl

There's always the next race...hopefully those two will again take each other out. :pray

[Warp]

Finally

There you go. Check the full replay. https://streamja.com/MymJ7

First you can see where Norris is in Parabolica. He's really really out of the track limits. And on the T1 he slightly bumped into Leclerc.

[stefa]

CS needs to raise his game

[ferrari1.8t]

I hope that engine upgrade will come soon.

If it will even be enough…

[Cavallino]

P4 and P6. Oh well....add another 15-20HP and Charles wins this race. As I've said before, Ferrari should've brought that engine upgrade at SPA.

Sainz again had no answer to Charles's pace, as expected, and lost P5 to Perez. Disappointing race from him.

Sainz is fine, he is still coming to grips with the car. And Leclerc is an absolute ace. Which is what we should hope for, because if Leclerc isn't an ace, we aren't going to win any champsionships with Norris, Verstappen, and Russell in top cars.

[Warp]

CS needs to raise his game

We need to raise our game basically. We were sitting ducks on those straights.

[stefa]

There you go. Check the full replay. https://streamja.com/MymJ7

First you can see where Norris is in Parabolica. He's really really out of the track limits. And on the first turn he slightly bumped into Leclerc.

LN was all four wheels of the track...

[Cavallino]

There you go. Check the full replay. https://streamja.com/MymJ7

First you can see where Norris is in Parabolica. He's really really out of the track limits. And on the first turn he slightly bumped into Leclerc.

i saw it, but no one will say anything. I'm surprised Sky F1 even mentioned it.

[tifosi1993]

If it will even be enough…

It will easily put us ahead of Mclaren. If Ferrari had extra two tenths in both sector 1 and 2 today, Charles would've won the race easily. The SF21 is very good in corners.

[Hornet]

Well done to Ric, certainly drove a perfect race today.

Too bad for our WCC, but we have more important object in the future

[ferrari1.8t]

Sky can’t even give Bottas his podium, have to show Hamilton and talk about the crash. You can see how annoyed Bottas is.

[Warp]

Sky can’t even give Bottas his podium, have to show Hamilton and talk about the crash. You can see how annoyed Bottas is.

That was awkward

[ferrari1.8t]

That was awkward

Very awkward, the guy goes from P20 to P3 and they ask him about Hamilton’s race. Lol epic fail.

[stefa]

That was awkward

VB won't be winning races with Alfa, but at least he will be relaxed!

[ferrari1.8t]

Danny Ric speaking Italian! Nice!

[stefa]

DR is such a loveby person!

[stefa]

Any one with champion table standings?

[stefa]

So, about that engine upgrade, when it is scheduled to come?

[Warp]

So, about that engine upgrade, when it is scheduled to come?

Turkey i believe

[tifosi1993]

I hope people will finally give Ferrari some credit. The developments or upgrades aren't un-restricted, Ferrari couldn't do what they wanted with the car, it's still pretty much last year's chassis, only more refined. But here we are, battling with Mercedes and Honda powered cars with our current power deficit.

We also have a generational talent who's pushing and getting everything out of the car. Next year can't come soon enough.

[stefa]

Turkey i believe

Couldn't come soon enough

[springfield]

Any one with champion table standings?

I think Ferrari is 13,5 behind McLaren. Nothing decided yet. Let's hope for a good engine upgrade.

[ntukza]

We need Bottas jumpping Perez and both McLarens to minimize the damage

Sounds like you're on the wrong forum.

[stefa]

Sounds like you're on the wrong forum.

:rotfl

[stefa]

I think Ferrari is 13,5 behind McLaren. Nothing decided yet. Let's hope for a good engine upgrade.

Well that doesn't sound that much terrible at all!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Assuming my calculations worked:

VER 226.5
HAM 221.5
BOT 141
NOR 132
PER 118
LEC 104
SAI 97.5
RIC 83

MER 362.5
RBR 344.5
MCL 215
FER 201.5

Definitely not out of it.

[stefa]

That champagne is called FERRARI :lol

[elnano14]

Sounds like you're on the wrong forum.

What, do you really think a McLaren 1-2 is better for us instead of them being 2-3 ???

[Warp]

I think Ferrari doesn't even care for that 3rd place anymore. The only reason they push this engine update is because they want to test it for 2022.

[ntukza]

Sainz is fine, he is still coming to grips with the car. And Leclerc is an absolute ace. Which is what we should hope for, because if Leclerc isn't an ace, we aren't going to win any champsionships with Norris, Verstappen, and Russell in top cars.

Sobering thought, that.

[gump1480]

We need to raise our game basically. We were sitting ducks on those straights.

And we didn't maximize our points on tracks we were supposed to.

[Warp]

And we didn't maximize our points on tracks we were supposed to.

That's part of the game. Indeed McLaren was luckier than us so far.

[TonyRizza]

Can't believe that Damon Hill is accusing max of taking Lewis out on purpose

[jgonzalesm6]

Can't believe that Damon Hill is accusing max of taking Lewis out on purpose

Racing Incident.

[tifosi1993]

Dutch media is blaming Ham, British media is blaming Max, hardly surprising.

To me, it was a "avoidable" incident with 60% of the fault falls on Ham. Comes out of pitstop, cuts across the track and goes left in order to block Max and doesn't left him any room whatsoever. If Ham expected Max to back out, then he's a even bigger fool. Max will never back out, especially after the episodes at Silverstone.

[patrese86]

Looking at that objectively we had the fourth fastest car and we finished 4th and 6th when you'd of said without incident we'd be 7th and 8th so we have to take what we can. Looking to Russia we will struggle in S1 and S2 but I wouldn't be surprised to see us right there in S3. Then we should enjoy some better results after Russia.

[TonyRizza]

Dutch media is blaming Ham, British media is blaming Max, hardly surprising.

To me, it was a "avoidable" incident with 60% of the fault falls on Ham. Comes out of pitstop, cuts across the track and goes left in order to block Max and doesn't left him any room whatsoever. If Ham expected Max to back out, then he's a even bigger fool. Max will never back out, especially after the episodes at Silverstone.

Blaming for a racing incident is expected.
But Toto Wolf saying its a "professional foul"
and Damon Hill saying he thinks Max took Lewis out.

its too far imo

[Shadowfax84]

Is there any benefit of finishing P4 in constructors this year - like more CFD time, wind tunnel, $$ to spend next year? Because from the look of things from outside, seems we are not going to fight for P3 this year.

[tifosi1993]

Looking at that objectively we had the fourth fastest car and we finished 4th and 6th when you'd of said without incident we'd be 7th and 8th so we have to take what we can. Looking to Russia we will struggle in S1 and S2 but I wouldn't be surprised to see us right there in S3. Then we should enjoy some better results after Russia.

You'll be pleasantly surprised with Ferrari's performance at Sochi. Sochi is full of 90 degree corners and require good low speed balance and traction, especially the final sector.

Charles, as always, will be mighty and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he qualifies on the 2nd row. Hopefully Sainz will be able to stay close to him.

[patrese86]

Is there any benefit of finishing P4 in constructors this year - like more CFD time, wind tunnel, $$ to spend next year? Because from the look of things from outside, seems we are not going to fight for P3 this year.

I think Binotto said the extra time in the wind tunnel only resulted in like an extra session ultimately..I think it's probably a bit over rated. Anyhow we are still in the hunt for 3rd in the constructors..this weekend and Russia are not our circuits but I don't think it's fair to dismiss us off the back of them either.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Why not give both 5-place penalties? :lol

At Sochi that might even give Charles a front row, who knows?

[nani_s23]

Blaming for a racing incident is expected.
But Toto Wolf saying its a "professional foul"
and Damon Hill saying he thinks Max took Lewis out.

its too far imo

For me it looks like…. Ham is defending as hard as he can & Max is aggressive by not giving it up.
Ham left enough space, but max hit the chicane & got bumped into Lewis rear end of the car.

Max might get penalty for next race.

[nani_s23]

Why not give both 5-place penalties? :lol

At Sochi that might even give Charles a front row, who knows?

Even with their penalty they will eat us quickly. Our engine is weak. Need to wait for next year, I hope we can give nightmares to Mercs & RB again.

[nani_s23]

I think Ferrari doesn't even care for that 3rd place anymore. The only reason they push this engine update is because they want to test it for 2022.

Yup there’s no point finishing 3rd or 4th. If it Is about prize money, Ferrari do have enough.

Next year ferrari should be on top. Give these guys (leclerc & sainz) a car capable of Fighting championship. Rest they will take care.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Even with their penalty they will eat us quickly. Our engine is weak. Need to wait for next year, I hope we can give nightmares to Mercs & RB again.

Sochi's S3 suits our car perfectly and the final two turns disturb aero a lot while tyres are easy to keep in shape. If we somehow manage to get okay track position there it'll be alright.

[Noquarter]

Ferrari race pace was very good on most power hungry track. Very close to McLaren.

[nani_s23]

Point 1. Ferrari struggles to get tyre temp on when they switch to Hards.

Point 2. On mediums they have great pace. As the season went on I noticed one thing, there is improvement in Tyre deg. Atleast on sainz car, they were able to extend the stints on this mediums for long.

Point 3. We improved our Power unit, not the best yet. Only 3rd fastest compared to Merc & RB.

Point 4. Our aero looks good.

Point 5. We still struggle on Full Wet/ Intermediate tyres.

Hopefully next season, we see a Ferrari car 1-2 finish in Monza.

[330 p4]

3 place penalty for rat face at the next race......but nothing to do with Ferrari so whatever.

[wisepie]

Never been a Mclaren supporter but it was their day today, it hurt us big-time in the constructors though. Hard to swallow at Monza of all places. Charles did his best as he always does but the hards don't work so well on the SF21. Could have been a lot worse, shame Carlos dropped back too much, he would have been P5 after Perez's penalty. Compared to last year, this was a decent result. As for Max and HAM, they put on a great show with thankfully no injuries. They deserve each other.

[nani_s23]

Told you earlier, it was max mistake & penalty was coming.

He receives 3 place penalty for next race. Lucky Max, got only 3 place i thought it’s a 5 place as similar to bottas taking away max last race.

[FFFerrari]

Charles and Carlos did the best they could, no fault in them this weekend. Bottas was strapped to an actual rocket ship it seemed and when the other Merc motored cards clipped at the end of the pit straight, his car seemed not to - that was the secret how he made most of those passes.

Max is extremely lucky to get only 3 place penalty, thought the norm was five places. But I still think there is fault in both drivers and it could have been deemed as racing incident.

[Greig]

Stewards say Max made his move too late and was therefore not entitled to have space left for him...seriously LOL I am struggling to understand that reasoning?

[stefa]

After this ridiculous penalty for Max, no one can not tell me that FIA and every one else are not biased towards Mercedes and LH?!?!??!

[paolo lalli]

Discipline will be Max's down fall the championship is his to loose.As for ferrari its a year that will be recognised as a year of consolidation at best.

[Redfive]

Can't believe that Damon Hill is accusing max of taking Lewis out on purpose

Hill is still bitter about 94.

Just read that Max has a 3 place drop next time. Personally I thought it was a racing incident, both drivers to blame, both could have avoided it but it seems the stewards just love sending out a message that people should not race goldenboy, just move aside and let him win. That's what the FIA wants.

[ferrari1.8t]

After this ridiculous penalty for Max, no one can not tell me that FIA and every one else are not biased towards Mercedes and LH?!?!??!

I have been saying it for years…complete joke this sport is. Max did not deserve a penalty for that incident. The FIA will do absolutely anything to gift Hamilton as many race wins and championships as possible. The sport is losing credibility by the day. How much longer do we need to put up with this Ham-FIA-Merc-Pirelli show? What a sham.

[ferrari1.8t]

Stewards say Max made his move too late and was therefore not entitled to have space left for him...seriously LOL I am struggling to understand that reasoning?

No reasoning other than Hamilton must win at all costs. No one is allowed to race him, everyone must move over for golden boy. Reminds me of when Hamilton was gifted the Canadian GP win. Joke.

[tifosi1993]

Hopefully the engine upgrade is set for Turkey. The tracks that are coming should suit our car nicely, and with the extra power we should be fighting for the wins.

[ferrari1.8t]

Hopefully the engine upgrade is set for Turkey. The tracks that are coming should suit our car nicely, and with the extra power we should be fighting for the wins.

Let’s hope so. I saw a post today; Ferrari’s last win was 721 days ago. Red Bull, Mercedes, Racing Point, Alpha Tauri, Apine and McLaren have all won a race since. Sad.

[330 p4]

I have been saying it for years…complete joke this sport is. Max did not deserve a penalty for that incident. The FIA will do absolutely anything to gift Hamilton as many race wins and championships as possible. The sport is losing credibility by the day. How much longer do we need to put up with this Ham-FIA-Merc-Pirelli show? What a sham.

3 place penalty will not really help Ferrari, if he qualify 1st does he start 4th? With that start in Russia he may well be leading after turn 1. Good news is those 2 at the front may have a few more collisions, hopefully at a race where Ferrari are best of the rest so they could sneak a win.

[Warp]

Binotto said we have 20 HP deficit.

[ferrari1.8t]

3 place penalty will not really help Ferrari, if he qualify 1st does he start 4th? With that start in Russia he may well be leading after turn 1. Good news is those 2 at the front may have a few more collisions, hopefully at a race where Ferrari are best of the rest so they could sneak a win.

Nothing will help Ferrari if all the powers that be continue to want only 1 person to win. A new engine with 100+ Hp advantage couldn’t help us. The quicker Ham gets his 8th, breaks all the records possible and retires the better it will be for everyone who likes F1. Just get it over with so other teams finally have a fair chance.

[Bikus]

“For anyone who thought I left - I never left. I just moved aside for a while " DR

:-)

PS : :-bounce:dance

[330 p4]

Nothing will help Ferrari if all the powers that be continue to want only 1 person to win. A new engine with 100+ Hp advantage couldn’t help us. The quicker Ham gets his 8th, breaks all the records possible and retires the better it will be for everyone who likes F1. Just get it over with so other teams finally have a fair chance.

Does feel like that. Half expecting next year Ferrari will be quickest before Merc kick and scream and get half the stuff removed.

[DIEK]

@ Diek, get the DHL Crying award ready. Hamilton already crying that the RedBull had been updated and his Mercedes has nothing. According to Hamilton, it will be an easy win for Verstappen! Ham knows a few things about easy wins lol.

Ey, dint' read this! :D

https://i.imgur.com/m9HHgxy.jpg


:rotfl

[330 p4]

God damn that tyre mark hairstyle picture is pure comical genius.7833

[SS454]

I have been saying it for years…complete joke this sport is. Max did not deserve a penalty for that incident. The FIA will do absolutely anything to gift Hamilton as many race wins and championships as possible. The sport is losing credibility by the day. How much longer do we need to put up with this Ham-FIA-Merc-Pirelli show? What a sham.

When a collision can be argued equally from both sides and both drivers could have equally avoided the collisions just as much as they equally caused it, it's a clear cut racing incident. A penalty is joke to the sport and just more fuel to those that believe the FIA is corrupt and want Lewis Hamilton to win.

[20000rpm]

After this ridiculous penalty for Max, no one can not tell me that FIA and every one else are not biased towards Mercedes and LH?!?!??!

Agreed. If this incident qualified for penalty, then so did Silverstone. Clearly, it seems FiA seems to be a lot biased when deciding whom and how much a driver should be penalised. If it challenges Ham, max penalty.
So if today it's Max who is penalised, tomorrow it can be Charles or Sainz if they ever get close to Ham

[Brembo]

It appears the F I A is coming up absolutely short on gifting Lewis as many race wins as possible! Max now has 7 wins and is ahead on points in 1st place. The F-1 show is now great as far as the next races and who will win. Even Dan got a win! So as of now there's no more fans putting up with a Merc F I A show. Both drivers alive and well ! Meanwhile another 5 D N F s and Russell again gets in the points! Waiting 2 weeks is tooo long!!

[Brembo]

It appears the F I A is coming up absolutely short on gifting Lewis as many race wins as possible! Max now has 7 wins and is ahead on points in 1st place. The F-1 show is now great as far as the next races and who will win. Even Dan got a win! So as of now there's no more fans putting up with a Merc F I A show. Both drivers alive and well ! Meanwhile another 5 D N F s and Russell again gets in the points! Waiting 2 weeks is tooo long!!

[tifosi1993]

:rotfl

What a tasteless post. Would it be funny if someone posts "vegetable" memes regarding Schumacher's current condition? No it wouldn't be.

Racing drivers put their lives on the line every time. So show some damn respect.

[tifosi1993]

Binotto said we have 20 HP deficit.

We'll get a big jump in performance with the upcoming upgrade. Even if it's 15HP, it will make a huge difference.

[ntukza]

I hope people will finally give Ferrari some credit. The developments or upgrades aren't un-restricted, Ferrari couldn't do what they wanted with the car, it's still pretty much last year's chassis, only more refined. But here we are, battling with Mercedes and Honda powered cars with our current power deficit.

We also have a generational talent who's pushing and getting everything out of the car. Next year can't come soon enough.

+1

[ntukza]

What, do you really think a McLaren 1-2 is better for us instead of them being 2-3 ???

No, my apologies, I misunderstood the original point but I get it now.

[ntukza]

Can't believe that Damon Hill is accusing max of taking Lewis out on purpose

Yeah that was appalling. And none of his colleagues called him out on it, which was also disappointing.

[ntukza]

Stewards say Max made his move too late and was therefore not entitled to have space left for him...seriously LOL I am struggling to understand that reasoning?

I'm not sure about that either but looking at the footage I believe Max was going for "a space that was always going to close" so I must agree that he's at fault. He should have backed out.

[killer]

I'm not sure about that either but looking at the footage I believe Max was going for "a space that was always going to close" so I must agree that he's at fault. He should have backed out.

Switchback was available to Lewis. His move to the left right after the pit exit line I think shows Max had made his move by then and Lewis saw this—no reason to take the defensive (blocking?) line otherwise.

[jgonzalesm6]

I'm not sure about that either but looking at the footage I believe Max was going for "a space that was always going to close" so I must agree that he's at fault. He should have backed out.

So at Silverstone2021 Copse corner between Lewis and Max, Max had the lead and driving line and Lewis went for the inside line or space...both doing well over 180mph. Lewis left front tire clips Max's right rear tire sending Max into the barriers at 51g's.

Who's at fault? All I'm asking for is consistency. The stewards ruled Lewis at fault but the penalties between Silverstone2021 and Monza 2021 are entirely different and LOOKS biased towards Lewis IMO.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yeah that was appalling. And none of his colleagues called him out on it, which was also disappointing.

Agreed. Unbecoming of Damon Hill.

[Greig]

Max and Lewis will probably take engine penalties at Russia anyway :-D

[ntukza]

So at Silverstone2021 Copse corner between Lewis and Max, Max had the lead and driving line and Lewis went for the inside line or space...both doing well over 180mph. Lewis left front tire clips Max's right rear tire sending Max into the barriers at 51g's.

Who's at fault? All I'm asking for is consistency. The stewards ruled Lewis at fault but the penalties between Silverstone2021 and Monza 2021 are entirely different and LOOKS biased towards Lewis IMO.

To answer your question, Lewis was at fault at Silverstone.

[SS454]

So at Silverstone2021 Copse corner between Lewis and Max, Max had the lead and driving line and Lewis went for the inside line or space...both doing well over 180mph. Lewis left front tire clips Max's right rear tire sending Max into the barriers at 51g's.

Who's at fault? All I'm asking for is consistency. The stewards ruled Lewis at fault but the penalties between Silverstone2021 and Monza 2021 are entirely different and LOOKS biased towards Lewis IMO.

Silverstone was different. Lewis went for a pass and Max gave him room, yet Lewis still slid up the track and crashed into Max. It was Lewis' fault and he got a penalty for it. Too bad a 10 second penalty and a red flag to fix his car and change tires was nothing more than a slap on the wrist. A 3 second grid penalty could be worth a hell of a lot more than 10 seconds and Max should never been handed a penalty. The way the Stewards have it, a 10 second penalty is the 2nd most lenient penalty that can be given in the race. Since Max was out of the race, they gave a 3 place grid penalty which is the most lenient penalty they could give him. Compare that to Bottas getting a 5 place grid penalty for taking out a bunch of cars in Hungary.

The penalty system itself is wrong, but there is for sure major inconsistencies in how they are handed out.

[ntukza]

Silverstone was different. Lewis went for a pass and Max gave him room, yet Lewis still slid up the track and crashed into Max. It was Lewis' fault and he got a penalty for it. Too bad a 10 second penalty and a red flag to fix his car and change tires was nothing more than a slap on the wrist. A 3 second grid penalty could be worth a hell of a lot more than 10 seconds and Max should never been handed a penalty. The way the Stewards have it, a 10 second penalty is the 2nd most lenient penalty that can be given in the race. Since Max was out of the race, they gave a 3 place grid penalty which is the most lenient penalty they could give him. Compare that to Bottas getting a 5 place grid penalty for taking out a bunch of cars in Hungary.

The penalty system itself is wrong, but there is for sure major inconsistencies in how they are handed out.

Thanks for this. Quite helpful.