TurkishGP 2021 Practices and Qualifying

[jgonzalesm6]

Weather lloks nice today.

[RicRac]

Mercs on another level

[stefa]

Not bad, not bad at all...
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7837&stc=1

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/tFFKRhq.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Hamilton and Sainz are with the new PU. Sainz with all new components, Hamilton only the PU.

Max and Charles are on older spec. (For Friday practice. Charles will use his upgraded PU tomorrow.)

It will be interesting to see what Charles can do with the upgraded PU starting from the Top 10.

[patrese86]

Promising FP1, though I didn't see it live.

[RicRac]

If Hamilton qualifies P1, gets the 10 place grid penalty and starts in 11th, does he still have to use his Q2 quali tyres or does he get a free selection of tyres? Also what happens then to the guy that qualifies 11th but gets knocked up a place to the top 10? Does that driver then need to start on Q2 tyres?

[gump1480]

With HAM penalty, a good opportunity to score a podium for LEC.

[gump1480]

If Hamilton qualifies P1, gets the 10 place grid penalty and starts in 11th, does he still have to use his Q2 quali tyres or does he get a free selection of tyres? Also what happens then to the guy that qualifies 11th but gets knocked up a place to the top 10? Does that driver then need to start on Q2 tyres?

HAM will have to use the Q2 Tires and the guy in 11th will have free choice even after getting promoted to 10th.

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton and Sainz are with the new PU. Sainz with all new components, Hamilton only the PU.



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Hamilton also gets a new EXHAUST hence the 10 place grid penalty.

[RicRac]

HAM will have to use the Q2 Tires and the guy in 11th will have free choice even after getting promoted to 10th.

Interesting, thanks!

[springfield]

Hamilton also gets a new EXHAUST hence the 10 place grid penalty.

He is getting a new exhaust but it's only his 4th, so no additional penalty (8 are permitted per season). He changed ICE and got 10 places.

[jgonzalesm6]

He is getting a new exhaust but it's only his 4th, so no additional penalty (8 are permitted per season). He changed ICE and got 10 places.

correct

[aroutis]

If Charles is not using his new engine and is fast as it is, it will be interesting to see if there is a difference tomorrow and what kind of difference. Yes, it is practice but assuming this is qualy run setup and tomorrow (FP3) they will be trying full speed setups at one point, ya, it'll be interesting.

[tifosi1993]

Very strong pace from Charles. Both on the short and long runs. Lost a bit of time by overtaking Giovinazzi, but still very strong pace.

And this is Friday practice, so he isn't using the new upgraded PU.

[springfield]

Why did Leclerc improve so little on soft tires? I know he abondoned first attempt, but he should still improve by more in my opinion.

[RicRac]

Why did Leclerc improve so little on soft tires? I know he abondoned first attempt, but he should still improve by more in my opinion.

Harder compounds seem to be faster

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/EDuVkra.jpg

[stefa]

Why is CS so far down the timing sheet?

[Kyss4k]

Why is CS so far down the timing sheet?

He was concentrating on race pace. Did not do proper quali sim at all as it would be a waste of time.

[stefa]

He was concentrating on race pace. Did not do proper quali sim at all as it would be a waste of time.

Thank you! I forgot that he is to take grid penalty

[gump1480]

If Charles is not using his new engine and is fast as it is, it will be interesting to see if there is a difference tomorrow and what kind of difference. Yes, it is practice but assuming this is qualy run setup and tomorrow (FP3) they will be trying full speed setups at one point, ya, it'll be interesting.

Seems unlikely that he is using old PU as the new electrical system required massive change in engine layout/config. Should be using the new one only.

[tifosi1993]

Seems unlikely that he is using old PU as the new electrical system required massive change in engine layout/config. Should be using the new one only.

That's a false information.

The new electrical system only requires major changes for Haas. Haas haven't made any changes to their 2021 chassis, it's basically last year's so to incorporate new engine parts, they've to make major changes. They're also a customer, not the manufacturer.

Same goes for Alfa. They are a customer, so they would also require chassis modification.

But since Ferrari are the manufacturer, they don't have to make any major internal changes to incorporate the new PU. Also it would require spending a token and taking a crash test to do so. The plan for the introduction of upgraded PU in-season has been taken way earlier, probably in the January. The SF21 has been developed to incorporate the new PU, the chassis doesn't require any major changes.

[paolo lalli]

Hamilton's fix for a 10 place penalty is only a minor fix, with exhaust change and electrical unit, the engine itself is in question and its reliability.An engine change will be inevitable then it will mean the back of the grid .Damage limitation starts now for mercedes and Hamilton.

[tifosi1993]

If Charles is not using his new engine and is fast as it is, it will be interesting to see if there is a difference tomorrow and what kind of difference. Yes, it is practice but assuming this is qualy run setup and tomorrow (FP3) they will be trying full speed setups at one point, ya, it'll be interesting.

If the track condition stays the same, then we'll definitely see the difference, notably in the final sector.

[Toothlessrage*]

Charles Leclerc (Post Practice - 2 Interview):

"The feeling was good all day but we mustn't get too carried away because the top teams will be strong and have cards to play"; Charles said at the end of the day. "We did very well even with a lot of fuel but we have to stay focused, it's only Friday, to think about how to improve the set-up for tomorrow in view of qualifying".

"I am quite happy with the current set-up. I have the rear that moves but I like it a lot. For now, we are very competitive. For this reason, I don't think we're going to change the set-up much from this point of view, even if there is something still to be optimized".


*1:23:970 was just 166 thousandths slower against the leader of the standings, Lewis Hamilton.

Tomorrow the weather forecasts indicate the possibility of rain equal to 70%, therefore very likely. This could upset what we saw today on dry asphalt. Yet Leclerc is pretty sure he can do well if the Intermediates should be the correct choice to tackle the wet track.

"If it rains, we'll see. In some places we were very competitive with the Intermediates, with the wet tires instead we struggle more, so we'll have to see how it goes tomorrow."

[wisepie]

Encouraging times from Charles, especially if he's using the old-spec power unit, hoping it's not wet for FP3/quali and race, we've had enough of that in recent races and he needs a clean weekend. Carlos doing the development work, makes sense with a grid penalty.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I hope Charles can be in the game this weekend, particularly with Hammy starting down in midfield. Hard to say though but if he did these times with the old engine I assume there's a lot up his sleeve.

[Kyss4k]

Encouraging times from Charles, especially if he's using the old-spec power unit, hoping it's not wet for FP3/quali and race, we've had enough of that in recent races and he needs a clean weekend. Carlos doing the development work, makes sense with a grid penalty.

I keep reading this here, but... was it confirmed that he was running with old PU? Do you have a link or something? I would love to read that.

[PURE PASSION]

I keep reading this here, but... was it confirmed that he was running with old PU? Do you have a link or something? I would love to read that.
I assume just the normal engine rotation. They use to use older engines on Fridays. But none really knows if he usually using an older one or the new.
Nevertheless I think it's not that the point, but how did we run today conpare to Mercs and RBRs,fuel load and engine modes wise???!!! IF we run similar settings with them ,we are in good condition, if we where lower on fuel and higher modes then just unother weekend fighting for 3d best!!!

[gump1480]

I keep reading this here, but... was it confirmed that he was running with old PU? Do you have a link or something? I would love to read that.

I still doubt it that they are doing normal PU rotation.

[wisepie]

I keep reading this here, but... was it confirmed that he was running with old PU? Do you have a link or something? I would love to read that.

I only saw that he may have been using the old power unit so I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. I'm sure we'll find out come quali but IF it was the old PU, it's a pretty good effort from Charles.

[PURE PASSION]

It looks like Lec doesn't feel too comfortable in these wet conditions!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Chance of rain increased to 60% for quali.

[PURE PASSION]

I keep reading this here, but... was it confirmed that he was running with old PU? Do you have a link or something? I would love to read that.

Found something from it.motorsport!!!

It must make us think that Lewis has mounted the 4 engine on the W12 (only the 6-cylinder turbo and not the rest of the power unit) and, therefore, capable of expressing a fresh unit at the first kilometers of life, while on the Red of the Monegasque there is it was a rotating power unit that did not even have the new hybrid system that we will see in action this morning from FP3.

[stefa]

Rain expected any minute

[stefa]

CS off the track. Cold tires

[stefa]

Plenty of spins due to the cold tires

[stefa]

Both Ferrari drives are getting their times deleted due to the track limits

[stefa]

Finally CL with a clean lap

[stefa]

CL for the moment fastest

[nhiepka]

Hello, is there any link to watch online cause in Viet Nam we have no way to watch any more because of removing FOX sport. Thank you

[jgonzalesm6]

Hello, is there any link to watch online cause in Viet Nam we have no way to watch any more because of removing FOX sport. Thank you

streameast.live.com

[nhiepka]

streameast.live.com

Thank you I will try.

[KimiBot]

That was fun, lottery.

[jgonzalesm6]

Were still dry into Q2.

[patrese86]

Charles said he liked a twitchy rear. Ohhhh

[PURE PASSION]

So from being into content for pole, to struggle to enter Q3!!!!!!!

[KimiBot]

Charles said he liked a twitchy rear. Ohhhh

That looked a bit weird spin.

[PURE PASSION]

Unfortunately till now, nothing special from the new engine!!!

[patrese86]

Unfortunately till now, nothing special from the new engine!!!
All teams struggling to get the tyres working bar mercedes.

[DIEK]

Sainz exits to the track only to give slipstream to Leclerc.

[KimiBot]

Sainz exits track only to give slipstream to Leclerc.

That was cool. Team work.

[elnano14]

Our car is struggling under this condition

[PURE PASSION]

I was expecting A LOT more from this !!!!!
On the other hand I read this :

Charles said he is struggling on the mediums with the kind of downforce he has on his car..

#TurkishGP #Q2
Have they done something else with the set up ????

[stefa]

All teams struggling to get the tyres working bar mercedes.

I know these are changeable conditions, but Mercedes is always up to task!

[stefa]

Unfortunately till now, nothing special from the new engine!!!

indeed

[patrese86]

I was expecting A LOT more from this !!!!!
On the other hand I read this :

Charles said he is struggling on the mediums with the kind of downforce he has on his car..

#TurkishGP #Q2
Have they done something else with the set up ????

Maybe we have took too much wing off. Lewis running much more and seems to be able to get the tyres working much better

[elnano14]

We're slower than McLaren + AT + Alpine...

[stefa]

one second 8th after first round?!

[elnano14]

Leclerc was 0.6-0.7s slower than Bottas in sector 1 alone

[stefa]

4th
Almost matching MV!

[patrese86]

Good stuff Charles!!!!

[tifosi1993]

And out of nowhere Leclerc does that. That's why he's a special talent.

[PURE PASSION]

THATS MORE LIKE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PURE PASSION]

Did he was on old tires on his 1st run ????

[KimiBot]

Well done Charles.

[tifosi1993]

We're struggling with the front tyre temperature in this conditions. But Charles and the extra power mitigated out struggles a bit.

[jgonzalesm6]

Well done Leclerc!!! P4......actually P3.

Now let's see race pace tomorrow.

[tifosi1993]

THATS MORE LIKE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

That Merc is on another level here. But we're only 0.069 seconds behind Max.

[PURE PASSION]

Did he was on old tires on his 1st run ????

[jgonzalesm6]

4 Honda engine cars made it through Q3.

[Toothlessrage*]

Mick was pretty impressive today! :)

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/JKAJ81L.jpg

[alfaromeo]

I think with good strategy leclerk can win this race ..

[elnano14]

https://i.imgur.com/JKAJ81L.jpg

That speed trap was in Q2 when Sainz was towing Leclerc, right ?

[patrese86]

Charles confirming we went lower downforce today in order to benefit us tomorrow so all in all I think we can be super satisfied with the weekend so far.

[Nick Singer]

I think with good strategy leclerk can win this race ..

#ComedyGold!

'good strategy'? From Ferrari?

Much as I'd LOVE to see LEC win or on the podium, only if half the field wipes itself out, do we have a chance of a podium!

[stefa]

#ComedyGold!

'good strategy'? From Ferrari?

Much as I'd LOVE to see LEC win or on the podium, only if half the field wipes itself out, do we have a chance of a podium!

:lol

[PURE PASSION]

Charles confirming we went lower downforce today in order to benefit us tomorrow so all in all I think we can be super satisfied with the weekend so far.

And still he was so good in S3 with all those tight corners ??!!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

#ComedyGold!

'good strategy'? From Ferrari?

Much as I'd LOVE to see LEC win or on the podium, only if half the field wipes itself out, do we have a chance of a podium!

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Tifoso Svedese]

S3 is top speed and mechanical grip, very little to do with downforce. If you go lower on downforce you struggle through S1 instead. I just hope they didn't go too low to make the car struggle through Turn 8 in race trim since being able to stay flat on maximum fuel there is half the lap.

It's definitely very good to be within 0.4 seconds from pole on a pure engine track like Istanbul is once the grip isn't like an ice rink like last year. Great job on that final lap by Charles and I hope he can convert that into a P3 tomorrow.

[PURE PASSION]

@Charles_Leclerc:
"I knew it was going to be a tricky session for us because we decided to go for a low-downforce setup for this qualifying for tomorrow. Eventually I think it is the right choice, but for today it was tricky."

[wisepie]

I was getting worried in Q1/2 that our updates hadn't shown much improvement overall, but in those changing conditions Charles pulled one out of the hat and starts P3, just hope it can be converted into a podium. Thanks Carlos for helping him through Q2!

[Cavallino]

We're still running with lower downforce, hoping our slow corner advantage can gain some of that back. I think our race pace will be better because, that was the case on Friday, and because the slippery track made things more difficult with the lower downforce setup. Provided it doesn't rain for tomorrow of course.

Heck of a job from Charles to salvage this. I think, without the rain, he could have outqualified Verstappen atleast.

[tifosi1993]

I think lower downforce setup is the way to go. Current F1 cars have too much downforce and drag, even the lower downforce setup isn't true "low downforce".

As it has been this year, the car was very good in corners. Due to the track conditions, Charles suffered front front tyres temperature issues. The reason for his relatively slow Sector 1 time.

Hopefully tomorrow will be bone day, with both of our boys surviving the first lap and without having to deal with any reliability issues.

[SS454]

During Verstappen's last Q3 run, his top speed was only like 313 kph. He even mentioned they were slow on the straight for some reason. Typically he was hitting 321ish kph.

[Cavallino]

I think lower downforce setup is the way to go. Current F1 cars have too much downforce and drag, even the lower downforce setup isn't true "low downforce".

As it has been this year, the car was very good in corners. Due to the track conditions, Charles suffered front front tyres temperature issues. The reason for his relatively slow Sector 1 time.

Hopefully tomorrow will be bone day, with both of our boys surviving the first lap and without having to deal with any reliability issues.

With our car, for a dry race setup, i definitely agree.

[Gilles]

Qualif Telemetry Leclerc vs Verstapen :

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