Turkish GP 2021 Race

[jgonzalesm6]

Daniel Ricciardo moves to the back of the grid after taking his 4th PU and componets.




Weather update

There's still a light drizzle in the air. The track will never dry up before the race. We expect a standing start on inters. The rain is good news for Tsunoda, as he avoids running the soft tyre. It's bad news for Leclerc who opted for a low downforce setup.

The race should start under wet conditions and it will get dry as the race moves on. Good for the cars with higher downforce settings at the first part of the race, but they will struggle with dry conditions.

Low cloud is giving some very fine drizzle/general dampness. This phase should slowly clear & wind pick-up, but just how quickly the circuit improves before the race is uncertain. Currently, the drying rate is reportedly slow & the track is inters territory.

[Tifoso Svedese]

There's nothing on the radar so I believe they'll start on dry tyres. Still 1 h 20 mins and a slightly damp track will quickly turn into slicks territory in that timeframe.

[jgonzalesm6]

There's nothing on the radar so I believe they'll start on dry tyres. Still 1 h 20 mins and a slightly damp track will quickly turn into slicks territory in that timeframe.

A light drizzle does'nt show up on radar. Plus it's cold outside. The race could start on inter's.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I suppose that if it's borderline the team might as well stick mediums on Carlos' car and see what happens. If the field has to come in within a few laps he could be on for a strong points finish by doing the opposite.

[PURE PASSION]

It doesnt look a wet race at all,but it might be a bit damp at the start ,so it will be crucial how Lec will manage these 1st laps until the track will be completly dry !!!!

[patrese86]

Another wet race, sick of it! Plus we went with a dry setup and Hamilton went with much more downforce, typical!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Last year, it was a wet race as well and Lewis went 51 laps on the "slick-inters."

[Rob]

Is there any good reliable streams for the race please?

[nhiepka]

Hello,

Please share any link to watch online. Thank you

[jgonzalesm6]

Is there any good reliable streams for the race please?


Hello,

Please share any link to watch online. Thank you

www.streameast.live

[nhiepka]

www.streameast.live

Thank but it does not work

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[jgonzalesm6]

Thank but it does not work

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https://www.streameast.live/f1/formula-1-turkish-grand-prix-race/

[hakanabi]

http://cricfree.live/livetv/skyf1.php

[nhiepka]

http://cricfree.live/livetv/skyf1.php

It works. Thank you so much.

[hakanabi]

No problem :-)

[Redfive]

Forza Ferrari! and btw Lewis will win, his luck will ensure it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yuki doing a good job defending against Lewis.....go Yuki after 7 laps of defending.

[ferrari1.8t]

What a race, the Lewis Hamilton show. You wouldn’t know anyone else was racing. One name, one camera angle. I hope someone takes him out

[jgonzalesm6]

Gasly 5 sec. penalty???? What???

[DJTaurus]

Red bulls have stopped improving. Mercs again on another planet.

[jgonzalesm6]

Fred 5 sec. penalty as well????

[ntukza]

Inconsistency of the stewards once again! First lap incident and Gasly gets 5 secs for being caught up in a sandwich!

[Greig]

Fred 5 sec. penalty as well????

Deserved, he took Mick out.

[ntukza]

Looks like it's going to be a boring race.

[ntukza]

Deserved, he took Mick out.

I agree with Alonso's penalty.

[Greig]

Lewis 1 sec quicker than Max lol

[Greig]

Carlos up to 10th bit clumsy against Seb there.

[stefa]

Lewis 1 sec quicker than Max lol

Unfortunately he is going to win

[Greig]

Unfortunately he is going to win

Yep quite possible now.

[Riccardog]

what a farce, norris, vettel, stroll making way for ham...

[Greig]

Max is able to pick up the pace it seems

[DJTaurus]

Probably mercs are full wet settings. Cannot explain the 1 sec differences

[Greig]

P9 Carlos doing a good job

[elnano14]

Our engine is a rocket even without DRS. Impressive

[DJTaurus]

Lot of people are underestimating Carlos since his first day on f1. Probably because of his name/heritage. To me he is a true underdog. I haven’t seen another driver improving so much year by year in a very steady and consistent way.

[jgonzalesm6]

Hammy whines about tires and sets fastest lap…

[stefa]

Hammy whines about tires and sets fastest lap…

What is new about that?!

[ferrari1.8t]

Hammy whines about tires and sets fastest lap…

Trying to trick redbull into pitting…typical Merc-Hamilton behaviour. Surprised the mechanics didn’t come out in the pits and run back in.

[DJTaurus]

Hamilton no more tyre to push into Perez.

[ferrari1.8t]

Leclerc fastest lap and gaining on Ver! Great race for our boys!

[jgonzalesm6]

Both Ferrari's doing really well here.

[ntukza]

Let's see what Perez can do against Lewis.

[Greig]

Let's see what Perez can do against Lewis.

Nothing

[jgonzalesm6]

We're going into "inter-slicks" territory.

[stefa]

It seams that CS does not have tires left to take LC

[jgonzalesm6]

Let's see what Perez can do against Lewis.

He's gotta earn his paycheck.

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc now 2.7s behind Verstappen

[stefa]

He's gotta earn his paycheck.

LH will sail beside Perez

[jgonzalesm6]

Way to go Perez

[stefa]

LH will sail beside Perez

:clap Bravo to Perez. That was some hard racing!

[458 Italia]

Perez was clearly pushed into the pit entrance there.

[stefa]

SV on Medium tires?!

[458 Italia]

Slow stop for CS.

[458 Italia]

SV on Medium tires?!

That doesn't make alot of sense in these conditions, big gamble.

[jgonzalesm6]

That doesn't make alot of sense in these conditions, big gamble.

Yep, stupid mistake.

[Greig]

Big mistake by Charles

[DJTaurus]

What is wrong in Ferrari for not pitting Lec. Seriously what’s wrong with them.

[458 Italia]

The lack of gravel traps makes it so sterile Vettel would've beached it by now.

[Greig]

What is wrong in Ferrari for not pitting Lec. Seriously what’s wrong with them.

Charles wants to go to the end by the sounds of it...

[jgonzalesm6]

Seb does a Lando. Seb the coal mine canary.....poooof.

[stefa]

CS stuck behind Ocon

[458 Italia]

He can't make it to the end surely!?!? Come on Charles!

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles in the lead. Can he go to the end???? BIG RISK.

[458 Italia]

Everyone else pitting.

[jgonzalesm6]

He can't make it to the end surely!?!? Come on Charles!

Ferrari need to order Charles in......box box box.

[Greig]

Lewis says no to stopping

[458 Italia]

hamilton doing his usual routine...

[drax]

Risky move … but … yeah let’s go

[stefa]

CL lap times are so slow

[ferrari1.8t]

Devil doing his thing for Hamilton again? Verstappen having steering issues?

[458 Italia]

Sky only care about hamilton not pitting :roll

[Greig]

Another lock up for Charles, doubt he can hold Bottas....

[ntukza]

Tense. Very tense.

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc struggling with the car.

[stefa]

Another lock up for Charles, doubt he can hold Bottas....

With this tires, I doubt he can

[458 Italia]

Oh shut up croft you dipstick.

[stefa]

Vamos Carlos!

[ferrari1.8t]

We are going to lose our podium. Frustrating

[458 Italia]

The merc just flew by there.

[stefa]

It was bad decision not to pit CL

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc's engineer is a bozo.

[DJTaurus]

Bravo lec another wise choice

[ferrari1.8t]

CL pits

[Greig]

Charles in, shame it never worked

[stefa]

As usual they make mistake

[Greig]

As usual they make mistake

What mistake? Lewis is taking a big risk...

[stefa]

CS two FL in a row

[tifosi1993]

Why take unnecessary gamble. Take gamble when it's time for the dry...not when it's wet.

[stefa]

What mistake? Lewis is taking a big risk...
I don't care a bout LH! It wa mistake not to pit CL earlier

[ntukza]

Another questionable pitstop call, but let's see what happens. All evidence suggests that new inters are not that much more faster than old ones.

[Greig]

Why take unnecessary gamble. Take gamble when it's time for the dry...not when it's wet.

What gamble?

[Greig]

Another questionable pitstop call, but let's see what happens. All evidence suggests that new inters are not that much more faster than old ones.

Charles is 1 sec quicker than Lewis....what evidence?

[DJTaurus]

We could have win this race. For example if lec pitted earlier than Ver and bottas. We have the pace. Also if the sainz pit stop wasn’t slow (they had time to release him) now he could have fought for 6th place. Bravo again to our pit crew.

[stefa]

CS FLYING!

[ferrari1.8t]

Another questionable pitstop call, but let's see what happens. All evidence suggests that new inters are not that much more faster than old ones.

Charles 1 second faster than ham.

[stefa]

Another questionable pitstop call, but let's see what happens. All evidence suggests that new inters are not that much more faster than old ones.

Are you watching the same race as we are?!?!

[Greig]

Lewis pitting....

[458 Italia]

I don't know how he manages it but david croft gets worse every race.

[ntukza]

Sainz is just flying out there. Fastest lap after fastest lap
Brilliant!

[458 Italia]

hamilton :rotfl

[ferrari1.8t]

Sainz is just flying out there. Fastest lap after fastest lap
Brilliant!

Potential driver of the race for sure

[ferrari1.8t]

I don't know how he manages it but david croft gets worse every race.

He is complete trash. I can’t stand him.

[ntukza]

Okay. Now it's all about keeping Perez behind Leclerc.

[Greig]

Damn

[ferrari1.8t]

Damn, lost our podium

[458 Italia]

Oh Charles...

[drax]

We risked it, well could have worked … it’s a risk … thing is we are improving race by race, that is the good thing

[tifosi1993]

This race is going away from Charles. He should be using his head more, no point overdoing with.

[ferrari1.8t]

Why we loosing so much time on new tires?

[stefa]

CL is so slow!

[elnano14]

What happened to Leclerc ? He was much faster than Perez in the first stint

[Kyss4k]

What the hell is Leclerc doing?!!! Sainz is posting fastest laps and Leclerc is 5 second per lap slower? What the actual hell? What a driver...

[jgonzalesm6]

Nice move Perez on Leclerc.

[stefa]

Last lap CL was 5 sec slower than CS?!?

[ferrari1.8t]

Nice move Perez on Leclerc.

??

[458 Italia]

How has hamilton got those tyres working so quickly.

[Hornet]

What happened to Leclerc ? He was much faster than Perez in the first stint

I'm wondering that too.
Seems our pace became worse?

[Greig]

??

He likes to cheer others passing a Ferrari...same as last race it's a bit strange.

[DJTaurus]

Probably the put on lec wrong rear tyres. Everything is possible with that pit crew.

[ferrari1.8t]

Cry baby Hamilton blaming his team…waaaaaa cry more you suck.

[Kyss4k]

How has hamilton got those tyres working so quickly.

Everyone did. Only Leclerc sucks on them.

[ferrari1.8t]

He likes to cheer others passing a Ferrari...same as last race it's a bit strange.

Very strange.

[jgonzalesm6]

He likes to cheer others passing a Ferrari...same as last race it's a bit strange.

Well, Charles and Ferrari made a mistake on pitting Leclerc.

[DJTaurus]

Did Hamilton told his crew to apology to him ???????

[stefa]

CL back to some decent lap times

[ferrari1.8t]

How has hamilton got those tyres working so quickly.

Seems like he’s lost them now…

[458 Italia]

hamilton says he told the team he wanted to come in. No he didn't the liar.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis throwing his team under the bus....typical.

[Greig]

Well, Charles and Ferrari made a mistake on pitting Leclerc.

So you cheer Red Bull passing???? are you even a Ferrari fan?

[ntukza]

Are you watching the same race as we are?!?!

Yes I am. The decision to not pit when others were pitting has come back to bite us. Why must we always try to be heroes with strategy? We were running P3 and only two seconds behind Max. We should have pitted just before or just after him. But no, we had to try and be heroes.

[drax]

Everyone did. Only Leclerc sucks on them.

Apparently Hamilton also sucks

[ntukza]

P2 was definitely on the cards. Max was within our grasp.

[Kyss4k]

CL back to some decent lap times

Nothing decent about being still 2 seconds slower than your teammate.

[tifosi1993]

I guess finally Charles's tyres are warmed up

[Kyss4k]

Apparently Hamilton also sucks

Well we know that

[458 Italia]

Cry baby Hamilton blaming his team…waaaaaa cry more you suck.

He's so full of it! He wanted to stay out but said he told the team he should've come in.

[Greig]

Nothing decent about being still 2 seconds slower than your teammate.

Charles is having to go through the graining stage right now...really?

[ferrari1.8t]

Nobody talking about Saniz epic drive, nobody talking about Bottas lead, all about where Hamilton is and how Merc made a mistake. Jesus Sky is hard to listen to.

[stefa]

CS was really brilliant today

[jgonzalesm6]

So you cheer Red Bull passing???? are you even a Ferrari fan?

Yes, but You can't blame tire strategy at this race.

[alfaromeo]

Ferrari did mistake with leclerk pri stop 10 laps to late :-??

[Kyss4k]

Charles is having to go through the graining stage right now...really?

Graining after 1 lap on the tyres while the other guy in the same overalls did not struggle with them? Well that's his own mistake, isn't it? He messed it up, lost himself a podium place all by his own doing.

[Greig]

Red Bull must be worried they have been smashed by Merc today and we now look pretty close to their pace.

[Warp]

Congrats to Pirelli for their tyres... Fresh tyres are much slower.

[Greig]

Graining after 1 lap on the tyres while the other guy in the same overalls did not struggle with them? Well that's his own mistake, isn't it? He messed it up, lost himself a podium place all by his own doing.

What? Carlos had to go through the same thing after his stop.

[drax]

In hindsight we should have pitted earlier… Incan live with trying to fight for a win

[ferrari1.8t]

Sky so somber when the other Merc wins lol

[Warp]

Graining after 1 lap on the tyres while the other guy in the same overalls did not struggle with them? Well that's his own mistake, isn't it? He messed it up, lost himself a podium place all by his own doing.

You can't be serious. Almost everyone had the issue with the graining.. Ferrari strategy and pitstops weren't on point today. Both CL and CS had a amazing race..

[458 Italia]

Really bad tyres Pirelli are responsible for.

[ntukza]

Kimi passes Ricciardo for 12th.

[elnano14]

What? Carlos had to go through the same thing after his stop.

Ignore that guy. He's only blaming our drivers

[stefa]

Nothing decent about being still 2 seconds slower than your teammate.

What are you saying?! Both of them are in 1:32!

[jgonzalesm6]

Credit to Bottas. very solid race for him.

[tifosi1993]

P4 and P8. Well done to both.

But it was an unnecessary gamble. Going for the win is nice, but sacrificing a given podium isn't the brightest thing to do.

[Greig]

Well done Charles and Carlos pretty good pace from both, maybe left Charles out a few laps too long in hindsight and his 2 big lockups prob cost p3. Sainz was awesome cutting though the field, points gained against McLaren.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Good points day but still a shame because things didn't really fall our way today. Hopefully a dry and clean weekend soon with the new engine to really be able to compare it in action.

[patrese86]

Good race that. Tough one for Charles but he couldn't of stayed out any longer.
Eventful for Sainz but we **** the stop. These new pit stop regs are rubbish
Max retakes the lead.

[jgonzalesm6]

Well, both Ferrari drivers in the points. Solid drive by Sainz. Not so much for Leclerc.

[Greig]

Well, both Ferrari drivers in the points. Solid drive by Sainz. Not so much for Leclerc.

:rotfl

[Kyss4k]

What? Carlos had to go through the same thing after his stop.

He was never as slow as Leclerc mate. He was posting fastest laps almost right away.

[ferrari1.8t]

Definitely a great day for Ferrari, showing our engine updates have promise. Looking forward to a dry proper race to see how we make out. Shame for Leclerc, but still a great drive nevertheless. Saniz is definitely driver of the day; clean race and made it from p19 to p8.

[stefa]

Well, both Ferrari drivers in the points. Solid drive by Sainz. Not so much for Leclerc.

Seriously?!?!?

[tifosi1993]

Ignore that guy. He's only blaming our drivers

Even Hamilton had to go through the graining phase. He was less than a second behind Charles after the pitstop but finished the race 4 seconds behind.

But according to @jgonzalesm6, Max is the best thing ever and Charles sucks. So yeah...

[nani_s23]

Good race that. Tough one for Charles but he couldn't of stayed out any longer.
Eventful for Sainz but we **** the stop. These new pit stop regs are rubbish
Max retakes the lead.

It’s became a regular thing now from our pit crew.
Sainz would have been 5th without that pit stop error. His pace was strong.

We also messed up Leclerc’s podium chance, although it was his call to stay out. Can’t blame much on crew.


Good to see we have strong pace on inters after a long time. Somehow this track suits to our, last year too lec & vet had good race.

[Kyss4k]

:rotfl

He lost himself a podium so... yeah, Sainz was better.

[Warp]

He was never as slow as Leclerc mate. He was posting fastest laps almost right away.

Please stop it. You have no idea what you're talking about. Pirelli tyres required some laps before they get on the working window. Leclerc had the same pace with Max and 15 seconds ahead of Perez before Ferrari gambles with the pit stop.

[Greig]

He lost himself a podium so... yeah, Sainz was better.

Did he? seems like it was a decent enough gamble to take...perhaps we should always settle for p3 rather than going for more.....yawn.

[ferrari1.8t]

Let’s see how many times Hamilton is mentioned on the podium ahaha

[jgonzalesm6]

:rotfl


Seriously?!?!?

Tire strategy messed up Leclerc. Leclerc should have pitted earlier.

[Kyss4k]

What are you saying?! Both of them are in 1:32!

When you were posting your message Leclerc was still in 1:34s. Leclerc was able to do 1:32s just in few final laps. Sainz almost for the whole way since he pitted.

[tifosi1993]

Well, both Ferrari drivers in the points. Solid drive by Sainz. Not so much for Leclerc.

Get off your Verstappen high horse. What Max did today with arguably the fastest car...oh that's right, couldn't beat Bottas.

Charles deserves some criticism for his unnecessary gamble, but criticizing his driving is nothing but trolling.

Carlos was deservingly the DOTD.

[Greig]

When you were posting your message Leclerc was still in 1:34s. Leclerc was able to do 1:32s just in few final laps. Sainz almost for the whole way since he pitted.

Did you even watch the race before attacking?

[drax]

He lost himself a podium so... yeah, Sainz was better.

Guess we where watching different races then, pull up the lap times from the race after the stops, you will be surprised.

[Kyss4k]

Please stop it. You have no idea what you're talking about. Pirelli tyres required some laps before they get on the working window. Leclerc had the same pace with Max and 15 seconds ahead of Perez before Ferrari gambles with the pit stop.

Just go and watch the timings... In any moment was Sainz as slow, as Charles. So sure, it took some time, but others have done better job than Leclerc.

[drax]

Oh an yes Carlos Sainz was driver of the day… amazing race

[jgonzalesm6]

Get off your Verstappen high horse. What Max did today with arguably the fastest car...oh that's right, couldn't beat Bottas.

Charles deserves some criticism for his unnecessary gamble, but criticizing his driving is nothing but trolling.

Carlos was deservingly the DOTD.

I want Max to beat Lewis. Verstappen high horse??? Really??

I'm not criticising Leclerc's driving. I am criticising Leclerc and Ferrari for not pitting Leclerc earlier.

Sainz had a solid race....from the back to finish in the points.

[tifosi1993]

Please stop it. You have no idea what you're talking about. Pirelli tyres required some laps before they get on the working window. Leclerc had the same pace with Max and 15 seconds ahead of Perez before Ferrari gambles with the pit stop.

Sainz was doing 1m35's after the pitstop when Charles was doing 1m33-1m34's with pretty much worn out tyres. After the graining phase, like everybody else, he was doing fast laps.

That guy probably thinks that people here don't have access to live-timing.

[DJTaurus]

Also we must not forget that today Hamilton was schooled by Perez :P

[Kyss4k]

Did you even watch the race before attacking?

Looks like I was the only one who actually watched the timings. Well whatever, Even comparing Hamilton, on which Leclerc had 14 seconds before pitting had cought him up after his pitstop. I don't really understand what is going on here on this forum, but yeah, keep your ignorance guys.

[elnano14]

As I said, ignore that Kyss4k guy. All he does is blaming Leclerc

[jgonzalesm6]

Also we must not forget that today Hamilton was schooled by Perez :P

Yep, others did'nt think Perez would hold off Lewis.

[Kyss4k]

Sainz was doing 1m35's after the pitstop when Charles was doing 1m33-1m34's with pretty much worn out tyres. After the graining phase, like everybody else, he was doing fast laps.

That guy probably thinks that people here don't have access to live-timing.

Leclerc was doing 1:37s jesus christ! See that difference? O_o

[Warp]

Sainz was doing 1m35's after the pitstop when Charles was doing 1m33-1m34's with pretty much worn out tyres. After the graining phase, like everybody else, he was doing fast laps.

That guy probably thinks that people here don't have access to live-timing.

Yeah i dont even understand the hate towards Leclerc. Both of our drivers did a amazing job.

Our car was 3rd fastest by a big margin and closer to Mercedes/Redbull pace.

The only negative thing on this race is CS slow pitstop. I'm fine with the strategy gamble, Ferrari is doing everything for a win this year.

[Hornet]

Good race by Carlos, well deserved driver of the day
Almost forgot he started way at the back of the grid

[tifosi1993]

I want Max to beat Lewis. Verstappen high horse??? Really??

I'm not criticising Leclerc's driving. I am criticising Leclerc and Ferrari for not pitting Leclerc earlier.

Sainz had a solid race....from the back to finish in the points.

I am not backing either Ham or Max, whoever wins deserves it but I don't care one bit, since it's not Ferrari winning.

You were criticizing Leclerc's driving. If you were criticizing for that unnecessary gamble, then sure, I would've agreed as well. But that wasn't the case.

[Greig]

Looks like I was the only one who actually watched the timings. Well whatever, Even comparing Hamilton, on which Leclerc had 14 seconds before pitting had cought him up after his pitstop. I don't really understand what is going on here on this forum, but yeah, keep your ignorance guys.

You clearly never watched the timing after Sainz stop when he had to go through the tyre graining....but you call others ignorant.....

[DJTaurus]

Hamilton is wrong. He was loosing more than one second to lec. If he didn’t pit he would lost his place also to Gasly and Norris. Instead he is moaning like a baby as always.

[jgonzalesm6]

I am not backing either Ham or Max, whoever wins deserves it but I don't care one bit, since it's not Ferrari winning.

You were criticizing Leclerc's driving. If you were criticizing for that unnecessary gamble, then sure, I would've agreed as well. But that wasn't the case.


You honestly think Ferrari has a chance of winning 2021????

I was criticising Leclerc's tire strategy.

[Greig]

I am not backing either Ham or Max, whoever wins deserves it but I don't care one bit, since it's not Ferrari winning.

You were criticizing Leclerc's driving. If you were criticizing for that unnecessary gamble, then sure, I would've agreed as well. But that wasn't the case.

He also cheers when Red Bull overtakes Ferrari on track....

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc was doing 1:37s jesus christ! See that difference? O_o

So was Hamilton, because both him and Hamilton were the last one to pit.

The track was drying but still wasn't good enough for slicks. And new inters were overheating and graining. After the graining phase, both Lec and Ham were lapping faster.

So yeah, it's not rocket science.

[Kyss4k]

You clearly never watched the timing after Sainz stop when he had to go through the tyre graining....but you call others ignorant.....

Did really Carlos at any point did 1:37 and 1:38 like Charles? If he did, then I missed that and it's my bad. If not... well my point stands.

[Greig]

So was Hamilton, because both him and Hamilton were the last one to pit.

The track was drying but still wasn't good enough for slicks. And new inters were overheating and graining. After the graining phase, both Lec and Ham were lapping faster.

So yeah, it's not rocket science.

Yep, but it's easier just to attack Charles for some reason....

[Greig]

Did really Carlos at any point did 1:37 and 1:38 like Charles? If he did, then I missed that and it's my bad. If not... well my point stands.

No it does not, they did not pit at the same time and same track conditions.....

[Kyss4k]

So was Hamilton, because both him and Hamilton were the last one to pit.

The track was drying but still wasn't good enough for slicks. And new inters were overheating and graining. After the graining phase, both Lec and Ham were lapping faster.

So yeah, it's not rocket science.

Hamilton, as far as I know, managed to catch Leclerc and only then he started to struggle after being behind him. Charles was slow right from the pits. And even so all in all he gained on Charles.

[RicRac]

Hamilton should have been given a penalty for forcing Perez off the track... Seriously that was ridiculous

[jgonzalesm6]

He also cheers when Red Bull overtakes Ferrari on track....

Checo had a solid race.....defending Lewis was a good tire to tire duel and took advantage of Leclec's tire strategy.

Sainz had a solid race.

Give it a rest already.

[tifosi1993]

You honestly think Ferrari has a chance of winning 2021????

I was criticising Leclerc's tire strategy.

I said I don't care about either Ham or Max, who ever wins doesn't matter to me.

And if you really were criticizing the strategy, then my bad. Yes, it was totally unnecessary.

[Kyss4k]

No it does not, they did not pit at the same time and same track conditions.....

Oh come on... the track did not evovled in such a hige way in those 10 laps. Don't go there.

[Warp]

Hamilton's intermediate tyres. He went to check them as soon as he finished the race

Source : https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1447196945395720192

[Greig]

Oh come on... the track did not evovled in such a hige way in those 10 laps. Don't go there.

Off course it did, look at Lewis times when his tyres grained....LOL

[jgonzalesm6]

And if you really were criticizing the strategy, then my bad. Yes, it was totally unnecessary.

:thumb

[tifosi1993]

Hamilton, as far as I know, managed to catch Leclerc and only then he started to struggle after being behind him. Charles was slow right from the pits. And even so all in all he gained on Charles.

Hamilton had gone from 0.8 seconds to 4.5 seconds within 5 laps, and he had the fastest car unlike Charles. Both Charles and Ham were suffering from overheating, and as a result, graining due to both of them being last ones to pit.

And guess what, Charles did manage the graining phase way better than Ham even with a slower car.

Again, your theories and criticisms for Charles don't hold any waters.

[Kyss4k]

Off course it did, look at Lewis times when his tyres grained....LOL

Look at Lewis times before he cought Charles! Jesus he was much much much faster than Charles when they pitted. He gained 5 seconds on him from the pits, while Leclerc was not able to make the tyres work. Then, after catching him he started to struggle,. That's the difference. AND Hamilton NEVER did 1:38.. ir 1:37... or 1:36. So where did the track evolution go? It got wetter suddenly for Hamilton or what?

[Kyss4k]

Hamilton had gone from 0.8 seconds to 4.5 seconds within 5 laps, and he had the fastest car unlike Charles. Both Charles and Ham were suffering from overheating, and as a result, graining due to both of them being last ones to pit.

And guess what, Charles did manage the graining phase way better than Ham even with a slower car.

Again, your theories and criticisms for Charles don't hold any waters.

Just replay the live timing please. What you are saying is correct, but you are totally ignoring my point. I don't care anymore.

[Greig]

Look at Lewis times before he cought Charles! Jesus he was much much much faster than Charles when they pitted. He gained 5 seconds on him from the pits, while Leclerc was not able to make the tyres work. Then, after catching him he started to struggle,. That's the difference. AND Hamilton NEVER did 1:38.. ir 1:37... or 1:36. So where did the track evolution go? It got wetter suddenly for Hamilton or what?

You have no clue, no point responding further, Ant Davidson just said the same on Sky, when Lewis pitted track was dryer so hurts the inters more...but what does a former F1 driver know about these things.....:rotfl

[Warp]

Fastest laps. Mercedes was 2s faster than anybody else..

[tifosi1993]

Just replay the live timing please. What you are saying is correct, but you are totally ignoring my point. I don't care anymore.

And what exactly is your point? You wanted Charles to defy the laws of physics and lap faster with this graining tyres over those who already had their tyres under control? Laughable.

[Kyss4k]

You have no clue, no point responding further, Ant Davidson just said the same on Sky, when Lewis pitted track was dryer so hurts the inters more...but what does a former F1 driver know about these things.....:rotfl

Wow... lol, well obviously. And that's why I ask why was Lewis faster in his slowest moments by 3 seconds a lap than Charles in his slower moments? More so when he stopped later. This is going nowhere.

[tifosi1993]

You have no clue, no point responding further, Ant Davidson just said the same on Sky, when Lewis pitted track was dryer so hurts the inters more...but what does a former F1 driver know about these things.....:rotfl

Nah Charles just sucks....:rotfl

It's quite funny actually. The people who're hating on Charles today are the same people, who were blaming Ferrari for Vettel's spins. :lol

[tifosi1993]

Wow... lol, well obviously. And that's why I ask why was Lewis faster in his slowest moments by 3 seconds a lap than Charles in his slower moments? More so when he stopped later. This is going nowhere.

Yeah...Lew was so much faster that he eventually finished the race 4 seconds behind Charles. :rotfl

This is really isn't going anywhere.

[Kyss4k]

And what exactly is your point? You wanted Charles to defy the laws of physics and lap faster with this graining tyres over those who already had their tyres under control? Laughable.

No... I am saying that even though EVERYONE struggled with the inters after the pits, he did struggle the most (more than Hamilton, more than anyone and lost the most). That!s my point. Nobody else was driving in 1:37s and 1:38s, not even Hamilton who pitted later. And thanks to that he lost the podium.

[Kyss4k]

Yeah...Lew was so much faster that he eventually finished the race 4 seconds behind Charles. :rotfl

This is really isn't going anywhere.

He was behind Charles the whole time, pitted later, cought him, them started to struggle when Charles had his tyres ok, but never was as slow, as Leclerc... It's all I am saying. You are just twisting it all. Have a nice day everyone,

[RicRac]

Ham should have gotten a penalty for forcing Perez off the track like that... Atleast a 5second penalty!

[jgonzalesm6]

Just an fyi but Ocon went to the end of the race on the same tires.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ham should have gotten a penalty for forcing Perez off the track like that... Atleast a 5second penalty!

Lol ahah like the FIA/Stewards would ever penalize ham.

[Nick Singer]

Reasonable from LEC as we were set up for dry conditions. If we ever build a fast car, he will blitz it; if we don't, another driver's career destroyed by Ferrari!

How was BOT 'Driver of the Day'? Donkey in fastest car and on pole.. SAI drove a blinder but hey, Ferrari are the bad guys!

#FormulaJ*

*J as in 'joke'.

[ferrari1.8t]

Reasonable from LEC as we were set up for dry conditions. If we ever build a fast car, he will blitz it; if we don't, another driver's career destroyed by Ferrari!

How was BOT 'Driver of the Day'? Donkey in fastest car and on pole.. SAI drove a blinder but hey, Ferrari are the bad guys!

#FormulaJ*

*J as in 'joke'.

Sainz was voted driver of the day.

[PURE PASSION]

No... I am saying that even though EVERYONE struggled with the inters after the pits, he did struggle the most (more than Hamilton, more than anyone and lost the most). That!s my point. Nobody else was driving in 1:37s and 1:38s, not even Hamilton who pitted later. And thanks to that he lost the podium.

How you compare absolute times from different cars with different downforce set up????!!!!!Lec struggled a bit more due his low dnf set up.But the thing is that more or less they ALL struggled for 3-4 laps or more but also on their 3d/4th lap on new inters. LEC also was quick on his 1st 2-3 laps but then the tires start grainning.Ham was also slow on his grainning laps.He was 2 secs slower then Gasly!!!!!
The point is ,why you (and some other guys here), what to yell how bad the team or the drivers are??? Especially when you clearly see that almost all teams/drivers making the same mistakes from time to time???!!!!I never understood people who like bitching all the time about everything and their excuse is :Why we can't have an opinion about the team???
The thing is that there is different thing to have an honest opinion and make constructive criticism ,from bitching miserable all the time !!!!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Just an fyi but Ocon went to the end of the race on the same tires.

I saw Ocon's right front tire......jeezus....there's a hole right down to the carcass. I don't think Lewis would have made it to the end since his car is set-up differently to Ocons and Ocon's car was 3 to 4 seconds off the pace.

Mercedes should have pitted Lewis earlier to take into account the "graining" effect.

[wisepie]

C'mon guys, can't we just acknowledge that both Charles and Carlos drove excellent races under the circumstances and we got closer to Mclaren, we lost a possible podium due to leaving Charles out too long and mucked up Carlos's stop. Not sure if it was the pit wall or Charles who ultimately decided to pit but it should have happened earlier. Hindsight is always best but it was a big gamble, we still got good points and things are looking up but the pit wall need to be more proactive and reliable.:roll

[Alonsomaniac]

Okay, maybe Charles' pitstopstrategy was killing his race - and that's a shame. BUT: From the start to the pitstop he never lost Bottas and Verstappen out of his sight. His pace was very much the same as Verstappen's.
Carlos came al the way from the back and had about the same pace.
Shame about the strategy, but I feel positive.

[alfaromeo]

Ok guys Istanbul is finished now we must look forward for USA ����. What’s very optimistic is this new power unit they work excellent.

[Tifoso Svedese]

We're major favourites to overhaul McLaren now either way. With this new engine we're simply faster than them at normal tracks. Hopefully we can deliver the knockout blow in Mexico and Brazil since the Mercedes engine will be a lot tamer at higher elevation.

[DJTaurus]

Today it seemed that we could actually challenge even the big guns on race pace.

[Warp]

Charles was within 2s from Max for the first stint. Also he had a very low down force setup for a dry race...

[patrese86]

I think looking back at the highlights now, if we pitted when Max did we would of got 3rd but we didn't know how quickly the inters would run out and we was caught between a slim chance of winning or settling for 3rd.

I echo the thoughts of others though in that we look like we have a good package now to go into these last 6 and we've made a step compared to McLaren. I think Austin will be similar to today but with Carlos qualifying higher up obviously. Maybe with some errors from those around us we can capitalise.

That mercedes doesn't have a weakness right now, so much faster in a straight line even with ridiculous levels of downforce. Was hoping Max might be favourite going into these last races, not sure now. Mexico with the altitude might be an equaliser but I don't see what part of a track Mercedes are weak at, even in slow corners if they exit onto a straight they just have this massive burst of speed in the initial acceleration.

[Nick Singer]

Sainz was voted driver of the day.

Yeah, I realise that now. But on Hamiltonvision, otherwise known as the BBC Sport website, it was BOT!

#LOLLOCKS

[Gilles]

Hi everybody,
Charles did a great drive, one more time i would say
In my opinion, the main question is why did he go for dry settings?
It made him struggling in quali as in race (more than others to get tires temp for example)
I can't understand the critics about his speed
Coming from people on this forum is disappointing me
We must be positive, we have the drivers, waiting for the car now

[wisepie]

Hi everybody,
Charles did a great drive, one more time i would say
In my opinion, the main question is why did he go for dry settings?
It made him struggling in quali as in race (more than others to get tires temp for example)
I can't understand the critics about his speed
Coming from people on this forum is disappointing me
We must be positive, we have the drivers, waiting for the car now

+1, that's the right attitude, mon ami!;-)

[Brembo]

Bien dit et a toi aussi Wisepie !

[Gilles]

Thanks guys
If i can give you my feeling :
Charles is our best catalyst to improve the whole team, because of his talent, his hard work, his modesty and his involvement into a team he love
Last year i was pretty anxious, seeing him taking so many risks with that soap, for nuts
I believe the technical follows the right direction now, but i'm not convicted yet about the team management so far :
Why Charles this week seemed to be confident to have dry settings? Don't he have some engineers to tell him he had more to loose than to gain?
He his a young driver, and need someone as a Briatore or a Brawn to help him, as far i saw, i'm not certain he's got this kind of support
Also, i'm looking to CS declarations whit some fear, he seems not to have too much reserve (of course, it's a competitor)
When he is in front of Charles, he says that it is the maximum to extract from the car (even if Charles had troubles)
When he starts last for an engine change, he cry because he could be fighting for podium too instead of get last (that was not the same words with Charles two weeks before)
There is several examples..., as in Monaco, Charles came to see Carlos on the podium, but Carlos had no many empathy for his pain, none after the quali, not so much more after the race
He never support Charles when, due to safety cars, this one loose positions and an deserve advantage, but report how close he was to him at the end of the race...
Today we ear about pilots who are rich's sons, it's not Charles's case, that's Jules Bianqui helped him
As you have understand, i'm not so confident about SF's pilots management (remember SV, alone and without team support after his Germany mistake)
Also each of you saw my avatar. Today, few remember, but SF had some responsibility whit his death (Mauro saying again today that he couldn't be champion, in one way i like the engineer, but it's so bad management side, and a shame to not shut up today)
Charles is not that different, pure talent, so, i fear a little bit for him

[Gilles]

Here we can see all lap times & the drop in performance with fresh tires :
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[wisepie]

The driver management at Ferrari has always been questionable with usually one driver favoured over another, whether it's justified or not. Charles' arrival will have destabilised Seb Vettel, some of the media are now suggesting that Carlos is the more complete driver and favoured by the engineers for his feedback. I hope this won't in turn destabilise Charles, who seems to be increasingly frustrated with his engineer's unclear decisions/instructions. Gilles was always going to be a WDC given the car and with Enzo's support, he had the team eating out of his hands, just like Michael. I agree that we need a stronger and more driver-orientated leader than Mattia Binotto, if only to look after that side of things, I assume that's why Laurent Mekies has been given that kind of role, but is it working? I would like to think that it's part of the building of a new team being gathered together to mount the challenge that we all know we must have if we are to compete on level terms with Merc/RB and even Mclaren.

[Gilles]

Not sure about Gilles. He was very close with the mechanics for sure, but Mauro never like him. They told him to let Joddy win the championship, even if he was in the team before and also quicker on track. They promised to him that the year later would be his year, but the car wasn't able to win. The following year, they didn't do anything to prevent Pironi to stole his place even after team order. When he crashed, just the race after, he was angry and ran after Pironi lap time, without belts on him ... So i'm not sure they learned anything and i'm not so confident on this side, and when today i listen to Mauro, i'm sad

[tifosi1993]

He was behind Charles the whole time, pitted later, cought him, them started to struggle when Charles had his tyres ok, but never was as slow, as Leclerc... It's all I am saying. You are just twisting it all. Have a nice day everyone,

Well too bad for you, because none of your theories are backed up by any facts. And what's more, your own words don't make any sense. So according to you, Hamilton caught Charles but then started to struggle, but never as slow as Charley, so my question is, what exactly did you mean by that?

Leclerc pitted on lap 47, Hamilton on lap 50. The gap was 0.597 seconds on lap 52, but then Charles pulled away and the gap was 5.024 seconds on lap 57. See? Hamilton was much, much slower than Charles. There's nothing to twist here. It's you, who's doing all the twisting here with your logical fallacy.

[tifosi1993]

Here we can see all lap times & the drop in performance with fresh tires :
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The gap between Max and Charles was only 1.5 seconds when Max pitted for the new intermediates on lap 36. Had Ferrari pitted Charles on the same lap or the lap before, there's nothing suggest that he wouldn't able to keep up with Max or even overtake him.

But oh well, what's done is done. Both Charles and Ferrari gambled for the win, which shows the hunger and the determination.

[Gilles]

I agree, regarding the team building and its needs. I hope next year car to be closer to mercedes, not equal maybe, but close enought to allow both of our drivers to fight for wins. I trust Binottoto to be able to deliver that kind of car, even if i din't understood well what they did with the 2019 and 2020 ones. Ferrari used to be complex politicaly wise, and if not often mentioned, the death of SM hurt them a lot. Stability is not so easy at the scuderia. The great news for me is that they seems to be going in the right way with their tools, for the first time in yearS (one of the main reasons for their last years drop). People have to consider that they already made a great comeback from last year, whith calm and method, under Binotto leadership. This work already pay and we could expect good fights for the coming races, that's a big improvement. Hope this will give good time to everybody here, waiting for even better in...just 5 months from now

[Cavallino]

where do you guys get all this data?

I have F1TV and can look at live timing during events, but i'd like to be able to look at data after sessions. Specifically laptimes and speeds.

[Gilles]

I found these on a forum that usually never publishes them. Otherwise, I often find some data here:
https://scuderiafans.com/