US GP 2021 - Race

[Redfive]

Not sure if I'm allowed to make a race thread so mods feel free to delete it if I'm not!

Just over an hour and half to the race now, what lies in store for us? I honestly feel we can get a podium today.
as for the top two, personally I hope Max wins (purely because I'm sick of Ham winning titles)

Forza Ferrari!!
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[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis has the inside line at the start. IF Lewis has a better start than Max, Lewis will run Max wide into T1.

[Rob]

Going ask, is there good reliable stream please?

[jgonzalesm6]

Going ask, is there good reliable stream please?

steameast.live.com

Pre-Race already started. Less than an hour for race start.

[Redfive]

Lewis has the inside line at the start. IF Lewis has a better start than Max, Lewis will run Max wide into T1.

Nothing he likes better than shoving people off the track.

[Rob]

steameast.live.com

Pre-Race already started. Less than an hour for race start.

Not sure if put that it right as came up Microsoft something

[jgonzalesm6]

Not sure if put that it right as came up Microsoft something

https://www.streameast.io/live-f1-stream/

[stefa]

Not sure if put that it right as came up Microsoft something

I am using this one

http://f1livegp.me/f1/live.php

[Rob]

https://www.streameast.io/live-f1-stream/

:thumb

[Rob]

Why is Danica part of the sky team?

[Redfive]

Why is Danica part of the sky team?

Maybe to try and get F1 to appeal to americans?

[jgonzalesm6]

Why is Danica part of the sky team?

It's the USGP. She adds very little to the commentary. She knows nothing of F1. Oh well.

[Rob]

It's the USGP. She adds very little to the commentary. She knows nothing of F1. Oh well.

Exactly, my thoughts.

[jgonzalesm6]

OMG Brundle, really on the rapper girl!!!!! She's obviously clueless.

What the heck was she wearing!!!! Really???

[stefa]

OMG Brundle, really on the rapper girl!!!!! She's obviously clueless.

What the heck was she wearing!!!! Really???

How rude and uncultured those guys around her ware?!?! :-E

[Rob]

How rude and uncultured those guys around her ware?!?! :-E

Its the, we better than you, how dare you talk to us attitude. No respect for others at all. No need for that. Sort crowd lewis attracts so must good and cool.

[SS454]

Why is Danica part of the sky team?

Danica is painful to listen to.

[jgonzalesm6]

How rude and uncultured those guys around her ware?!?! :-E


Its the, we better than you, how dare you talk to us attitude. No respect for others at all. No need for that. Sort crowd lewis attracts so must good and cool.

+1

[Redfive]

Love these "so called" Celebs, who have literally ZERO interest in the sport but are there to be "seen" or because it's a freebie from a team.
Proper F1 fans would really appreciate and love the access they get, it's wasted on those clowns.

[stefa]

Love these "so called" Celebs, who have literally ZERO interest in the sport but are there to be "seen" or because it's a freebie from a team.
Proper F1 fans would really appreciate and love the access they get, it's wasted on those clowns.

Agree!

[stefa]

Problems for PG already

[stefa]

CS said he would like to change tires already :lol
Softs are going to melt in couple of corners

[stefa]

Problems for PG already

PG engine started. Everything OK now

[jgonzalesm6]

Gasly''s car is fired up.

[Greig]

Carlos is very good on the tyres, he will be fine :-)

[Rob]

They really hyping this up.

[stefa]

Carlos is very good on the tyres, he will be fine :-)

:pray

[tifosi1993]

:ferrarifl

[tifosi1993]

Everyone bar Sainz and Tsunoda are on mediums.

[stefa]

:furious

[stefa]

Those softs on CS car are not working!?!?!?

[JPMFerrari]

Car looks slow.

[stefa]

So far, nothing special about that new engine...

[stefa]

CL in 5 laps 10 seconds behind 1st

[JPMFerrari]

CL in 5 laps 10 seconds behind 1st

Grip or engine, take your pick. The McLaren's may overtake the Ferraris.

[stefa]

Grip or engine, take your pick. The McLaren's may overtake the Ferraris.

It seams this track does not suit Ferrari

[tifosi1993]

Car looks slow.

Comfortably faster than the Mclaren

[tifosi1993]

Carlos the tyre whisperer is doing a great job

[tifosi1993]

Both Mclaren pits...we need to respond.

[jgonzalesm6]

Mighty fine undercut by RedBull to Mercedes.

[stefa]

Mighty fine undercut by RedBull to Mercedes.

:-D

[DJTaurus]

Mercedes messed with Hamiltons strategy by pitting Perez on mediums.

[tifosi1993]

Neither Mclaren have any answers to our pace. Carlos needs to put pressure on Ricciardo.

[stefa]

It would be nice if CS could match CL times

[stefa]

Vamos Carlos!!!!!

[tifosi1993]

Charles is now matching the pace of the top 3. Lapping a second faster than Ricciardo.

[stefa]

CS is slowly eating DR lead :-D

[tifosi1993]

That Mercedes engine is not going to save you anymore Mclaren, the ONLY advantage you had over Ferrari.

Enjoy watching us disappear.

[tifosi1993]

Come on Carlos!!! Get that Mclaren!!!

[stefa]

CS is dropping down on DR

[stefa]

CL is driving some astonishing laps

[tifosi1993]

Charles is now lapping 6 tenths/lap faster than Perez. The gap gone down from 11.2 to 9.9 seconds within 4 laps.

[stefa]

LH took couple of seconds from MV lead. Now it is only 3.3 sec

[458 Italia]

I swear croft says "this is a great race" every weekend.

[patrese86]

Charles is now lapping 6 tenths/lap faster than Perez. The gap gone down from 11.2 to 9.9 seconds within 4 laps.
Yeah Perez is on the mediums, used ones at that.

[jgonzalesm6]

slow pit stop for Sainz....

[tifosi1993]

I think Mercedes are going for the correct strategy. Still 26 laps to go.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yeah Perez is on the mediums, used ones at that.

used yes....by only 1 lap.

[DIEK]

https://hips.hearstapps.com/es.h-cdn.co/cades/contenidos/Ferrari_facepalm.jpg

[stefa]

slow stop for CS

[stefa]

Wasn't that early stop for MV?

[Greig]

Think Red Bull have messed up here, Lewis is going to be coming at them in the closing laps.

[stefa]

Think Red Bull have messed up here, Lewis is going to be coming at them in the closing laps.

:-(

[jgonzalesm6]

This new Ferrari PU seems to have stepped up its game from the looks of it.

[stefa]

This new Ferrari PU seems to have stepped up its game from the looks of it.

Yes. But it has to have more power!

[jgonzalesm6]

Yes. But it has to have more power!

yes, to fight with RedBull and Mercedes. It is progress though.

[DJTaurus]

Ok let them crush now.

[stefa]

Vamos Caflos! We need to take that Mclaren!

[stefa]

yes, to fight with RedBull and Mercedes. It is progress though.

I know! It can not come fast enough!

[stefa]

VB will catch CS

[tifosi1993]

This is going to be spicy. Ver vs Ham incoming.

[stefa]

LH FL, very fast one

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc 1:39.303

Great Lap.

[stefa]

My God that Mercedes has tons of power in reserve!!!

[tifosi1993]

Come on Carlos

[stefa]

It was way early stop for MV

[stefa]

It seams CS has some damage on FW

[JPMFerrari]

Martin Brundle is such a Hamilton fanboy and anti-Ferrari it's nauseating to listen to.

[stefa]

That fight with DR is over

[stefa]

Red Bull made mistake, with that early stop for MV. Unfortunately, LH is going to win this...

[stefa]

In the meantime CL is chipping away some time from Perez

[tifosi1993]

Charles is coming towards Perez. Again outlying his great pace.

[stefa]

CS lost place to VB

[Greig]

Well done Max, good race for our boys shame about Carlos getting that damage or he would have Riccardo.

[JPMFerrari]

What a talent Max is as a driver.

[DJTaurus]

I was correct in my prediction. When Perez was pushing and making fastest times after the second pit stop, Max was managing his tyres.

[stefa]

Great drive from both Ferrari drivers

[jgonzalesm6]

Job well Max and Redbull. Good race.

[tifosi1993]

Well done Max. Well deserved.

What a brilliant drive from Charles once again. Close to Perez and absolutely dusted the Mclaren.

Carlos struggled with the damage, otherwise he would've finished ahead of Ric, who was busy playing bumper car.

[stefa]

Shame for that damage on CS FW

[JPMFerrari]

Great drive from both Ferrari drivers

Yes, for sure. Red Bull and Mercedes are just at an unreachable level this season.

[jgonzalesm6]

Alonso Schu memories.

[patrese86]

Great drive from Max, I think we maximised what we could to be honest. Sainz took some damage which cost him the overtake on Danny ric

[tifosi1993]

Yes, for sure. Red Bull and Mercedes are just at an unreachable level this season.

One Red Bull was only ahead by 7.7 seconds on the last lap and another Mercedes finished 28 seconds behind. Yeah....absolutely unreachable. :rotfl

It seems you lot can never be happy with Ferrari's performance.

[JPMFerrari]

One Red Bull was only ahead by 7.7 seconds on the last lap and another Mercedes finished 28 seconds behind. Yeah....absolutely unreachable. :rotfl

It seems you lot can never be happy with Ferrari's performance.

Where are they in the constructors championship points? Mercedes 433.5, Red Bull 397.5 and Ferrari 232.5. :rotfl

[Cavallino]

Yes, and if people want to rave about how far ahead Ham/Ver were from Perez, Leclerc similarly destroyed the rest of the Ferraris and McMercs. He's on the same level for sure.

[tifosi1993]

Where are they in the constructors championship points? Mercedes 433.5, Red Bull 397.5 and Ferrari 232.5. :rotfl

Guess you were living under rock and only got out just now. :rotfl

A lot happened after 2019. But being butthurt and ranting over it is not gonna help you I'm afraid. Some us are happy with Ferrari's progress this season and there are plenty of reasons for our optimism.

But I guess you're keep on crying, rather than accepting the present.

[Cavallino]

This is a track that should have slightly favoured McMercs, yet we still took it, and part of that is down to our drivers. And weekend team work.

[JPMFerrari]

Guess you were living under rock and only got out just now. :rotfl

A lot happened after 2019. But being butthurt and ranting over it is not gonna help you I'm afraid. Some us are happy with Ferrari's progress this season and there are plenty of reasons for our optimism.

But I guess you're keep on crying, rather than accepting the present.

Fascinating.

[tifosi1993]

Fascinating.

As a Ferrari fan, just happy with the progress we're making. But you seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

[alfaromeo]

Good preform for both drivers Ferrari, good progress with this new engine I think that Ferrari will be 3 in the end 2021. For 2022 I believe fighting for championship ��:clap

[tifosi1993]

This is a track that should have slightly favoured McMercs, yet we still took it, and part of that is down to our drivers. And weekend team work.

Charles was on another level. He only struggled at the beginning, from Lap 1-6 when the gap was over 10 seconds between him and Perez. But after settling down, he was on Perez's pace.

[330 p4]

Great drive from Max, I think we maximised what we could to be honest. Sainz took some damage which cost him the overtake on Danny ric

That stupid slow pit stop cost Sainz, hexwould have jumped Ricciardo and was much faster. Instead got damage in an overtake attempt he shouldnt have had to take. Thereafter the damage led to him losing a place. Next year they maybe in a title battle and silly pit stop errorsxwont go under the radar. Feel 2 places and 4 points lost.

[Cavallino]

Charles was on another level. He only struggled at the beginning, from Lap 1-6 when the gap was over 10 seconds between him and Perez. But after settling down, he was on Perez's pace.

He absolutely was on another level and you're right after that openining couple laps he was on Perez's pace.

So, like i was saying, if others want to rave about the level of Hamilton and Verstappen are on because of the gap they pulled, the same has to be said for Leclerc.

[Cavallino]

Also, talking about those opening laps, that was a bit of a weak spot, McMercs seemed a bit racier than us, Leclerc just managed it very well.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Charles was fantastic.

Disgraceful job by the stewards to not give Ricciardo five seconds.

Carlos let down by the mechanics but I doubt he had enough pace on his outlap for an undercut. Another quite mediocre race by him.

Happy that Max won and hopefully he can put on a one-race gap to the clown before long.

I'm also quite mystified by not taking an easy fastest lap on scrubbed softs for Charles at the end but whatever floats the stragetists' boat I suppose!

[Shadowfax84]

45 seconds behind Max - how are we even going to win next year?!!

[Cavallino]

45 seconds behind Max - how are we even going to win next year?!!

It's less than a second a lap, that's doable, especially with big regulation changes like this off season.

[jgonzalesm6]

45 seconds behind Max - how are we even going to win next year?!!

52.246 seconds to be exact.

[jgonzalesm6]

1. Verstappen - 287.5 pts
2. Hamilton - 275.5 pts
3. Bottas - 185 pts
4. Perez - 150 pts
5. Norris - 149 pts
6. Leclerc - 128 pts
7. Sainz - 122.5 pts
8. Ricciardo - 105 pts
9. Gasly - 74 pts
10. Alonso - 58 pts




1. Mercedes - 460.5 pts
2. Red Bull - 437.5 pts
3. McLaren - 254 pts
4. Ferrari - 250.5 pts
5. Alpine - 104 pts
6. AlphaTauri - 94 pts
7. Aston Martin - 62 pts
8. Williams - 23 pts
9. Alfa Romeo - 7 pts
10. Haas - 0 pts

[WS6TransAm01]

Happy to see Charles get Best-Of-The-Rest.

Even more happy to see Hamilton lose to Max.

[20000rpm]

Overall a bore, but happy that we could get some points. The race showed that apart from engine, we also need to stop ruining a driver's race by improving our pitstops. Seems Carlos was let down by his 3.9s pitstop.

[tifosi1993]

I think Charles was a bit conservative during the opening laps. As soon as Ricciardo pitted, Charles increased his pace by 7 tenths and was matching Perez.

And looking back at the lap time. The SF21 and the Mclaren were more-less matched each other in the sector 1. But the SF21 was faster by 3-4 tenths in the sector 2, the sector with the longest straight and had an advantage of 2-3 tenths in the sector 3 over the Mclaren, the most technically demanding sector of COTA.

Also Charles matched the pace of the top 3 on hard tyres. His best lap of 1:39.3, which he did on the second lap after his final pit stop, was only slower than Max and Ham, who were pushing to the absolute limit during the whole race.

The strategy and the pit-call was solid as well. So overall, a very positive race for Ferrari.

[wisepie]

Hardly saw Charles at all during the race, and he drove a good one, deserving more than his P4 finish. Carlos is certainly a fighter and again a poor pitstop and RIC's bumper car antics probably lost him a position or two. Encouraging for our team all the same, we should be proud of what they have achieved this year. Shame the USGP has to be such a circus, but that's the way things are, some ignorant celebs should be banned from the pitlane.:roll

[stefa]

Hardly saw Charles at all during the race, and he drove a good one, deserving more than his P4 finish. Carlos is certainly a fighter and again a poor pitstop and RIC's bumper car antics probably lost him a position or two. Encouraging for our team all the same, we should be proud of what they have achieved this year. Shame the USGP has to be such a circus, but that's the way things are, some ignorant celebs should be banned from the pitlane.:roll

Couldn't agree more! It would be much better if those VIP tickets teams give to real F1 fans in some kind of lottery or whatever.

[Greig]

Or Martin could speak to F1 team members etc rather than try and speak to celebrities who have no interest in F1.

[PURE PASSION]

#AMuS Ferrari was able to setup its car for maximum downforce without suffering on the straights. Unthinkable a few weeks ago, but now possible with the new hybrid upgrade. Ferrari was good in all types of corners in Austin - whether fast or slow!!!

[tifosi1993]

We're lacking that final 2-3 tenths. Right now, we're comfortably ahead of the midfield. At the right track, we can fight for the win.

Next up is Mexico, a track that requires Monaco level downforce. Barring any reliability issues, we are in for a very good race there.

[stefa]

Or Martin could speak to F1 team members etc rather than try and speak to celebrities who have no interest in F1.

Spot on! :thumb

[Gilles]

We're lacking that final 2-3 tenths. Right now, we're comfortably ahead of the midfield. At the right track, we can fight for the win.

Next up is Mexico, a track that requires Monaco level downforce. Barring any reliability issues, we are in for a very good race there.

:thumb

Being so far ahead of McLaren (Charles of course) on a track that suits them better than us is the answer to how our PU upgrade works.
As expected, the additional load it now allows to carry corrects some of the weaknesses we had since last year
On more favorable tracks (like the following one), we should be able to beat Perez and Bottas, and blow up McLaren (Ham and Vers could be more difficult to catch up, but Monaco has proven that it is possible)
It doesn't seem like enough for some of us, but in real life it's really a huge payback, showing how relevant our work was and still is.

[SS454]

We're lacking that final 2-3 tenths. Right now, we're comfortably ahead of the midfield. At the right track, we can fight for the win.

Next up is Mexico, a track that requires Monaco level downforce. Barring any reliability issues, we are in for a very good race there.

2-3 tenths? Leclerc drove great and was 52 seconds behind Max in a 56 lap race.

[Tifoso Svedese]

2-3 tenths? Leclerc drove great and was 52 seconds behind Max in a 56 lap race.

Charles lifted off 5 seconds in the final few laps once the slim chance of catching Checo was done.

Also, Austin, just like Hungaroring, doesn't really play to this car's strength. Too many long and fast corners for the car to really thrive combined with a long lap and less energy stored similar to Paul Ricard. I guess if the next engine is making the adequate gains that are predicted, Leclerc could've at least been a close third in a car that hasn't been touched since May. As it was, he avoided having to fight Ricciardo for P4 by having the upgrade and instead could drive a solid race without taking too much out of the equipment.

[Warp]

There's a big improvement for sure. Bottas couldn't overtake Sainz on the straights and we could easily keep up with Ricciardo's fresh engine.

I think we only have an issue with getting the tyres on the working window. It takes about 1-2 laps..

[Cavallino]

There's a big improvement for sure. Bottas couldn't overtake Sainz on the straights and we could easily keep up with Ricciardo's fresh engine.

I think we only have an issue with getting the tyres on the working window. It takes about 1-2 laps..

Yes i noticed that too. That was huge for me, the Ferraris are no longer sitting ducks on the straights!

[PURE PASSION]

AND we had a good tire management!!!
Till before this race we where eating our tires after 7- 8 laps!!! Now Sai was able to drive the hole 1st stint competitively on the soft tire, like the McLarens on mediums. This is the aftermath of a better set up (with more wing) because of the new pu !!!!

[Cavallino]

Right we don't have to sacrifice our tyre wear with low downforce setups anymore. It's one of those "other benefits" Binotto was talking about.

[tifosi1993]

Right we don't have to sacrifice our tyre wear with low downforce setups anymore. It's one of those "other benefits" Binotto was talking about.

And it's enabling our drivers to have their preferred setup. Charles likes oversteer, he has that natural ability like Alonso to sense when the rear is stepping away and makes correction. It's enabling him to attack the corner and have a sharp turn in, and exit the corner with superior speed. That's why his corner entry speed is relatively low, but his mid-corner and exit speed is way higher than others.

Carlos on the other hand likes a stable rear end. He doesn't like either understeer or oversteer. So generally he bolts more downforce on the car than Charles. And thanks to the upgrade, he's no longer losing time on the straight with his preferred high downforce setup.

Up coming tracks will bring positive results, barring any reliability issues. I don't see any challenge from Mclaren or any other mid-field teams. They may get close to us in qualifying thanks to the DRS and Soft tyre, but on race pace, they have no answer.

[wisepie]

I feel the main problem will be getting clean races as those two Mclarens are pretty feisty and neither of our drivers will give an inch either, Mexico may suit our car but it's not all down to speed and reliability!:roll

[Gilles]

Ferrari vs Mclaren race pace:
7869

[Cavallino]

Ferrari vs Mclaren race pace :
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/image-99-1024x499.png7869

That implies Leclerc was outstanding at managing the wear on those medium tyres! :-E

[Gilles]

That implies Leclerc was outstanding at managing the wear on those medium tyres! :-E

While attacking (quali drive) !!!
And also on the hard ones