2021 Brazilian Grand Prix - Practice, Qualifying and Sprint Qualifying

[tifosi1993]

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[tifosi1993]

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[ntukza]

One second off the pace setter.

[Shadowfax84]

Cant wait for Bahrain 2022. The supposedly Ferrari rocketship will arrive by then, as per Binotto.

[PURE PASSION]

Ι think we didn't had a proper run on softs. We where slightly better on our medium run (Lec) On mediums we where pretty strong ,but let's see!!!

[patrese86]

Through to Q2. Charles having to take another set of softs to do it though...

[jgonzalesm6]

Q1 Results

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1459240547630161922/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

Q2 results

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1459245674189500422/photo/1

[Redfive]

The Merc is like a bullet in a straight line. if that was a Ferrari the FIA would be stripping the power unit down and checking it out.

[ferrari1.8t]

The Merc is like a bullet in a straight line. if that was a Ferrari the FIA would be stripping the power unit down and checking it out.

Does make you wonder where these improvements come from with frozen engines and development in general :Hmm this can’t just be due to the track characteristics…that Merc has been fishy since the start of the turbo era.

[PURE PASSION]

Again Gas in front of us ???!!! I quess that time delete on Q1 cost Lec a better try on Q3 !!

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/WgLrRR4.jpg

[patrese86]

I don't understand this car.

Anyhow we keep on getting ahead of the McLaren's so that will do. Hoping Sainz can get Gasly off the line and it's hard to pass round here.

[nani_s23]

Well done Sainz…!! he’s doing excellent job.
He would have Finished higher in previous races if not been messed up by pit crew.

Challenging Charles isn’t an easy job. But he excelled in terms of quali & race pace.

[alfaromeo]

I think it is quite normal for 4 races before the end that the difference between the Bull / Mercedes order against other teams has increased. Both teams are fighting for the title and obviously the development for this season is very open. Meanwhile, I think Ferrari is working 95% for the 2022 season, the goal of the 2021 season is to stay ahead of McLarn.

[jgonzalesm6]

Q3 results

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1459252381795897345/photo/1

[SS454]

Despite a pretty dominating qualifying, Hamilton fans still claim Red Bull has the faster car.

[Greig]

Lewis car under investigation for breaking the DRS rules or something, been referred to the stewards.

[Greig]

Despite a pretty dominating qualifying, Hamilton fans still claim Red Bull has the faster car.

Might well do on race day.

[Redfive]

Lewis car under investigation for breaking the DRS rules or something, been referred to the stewards.

Standard result would be a DNQ for anyone but Hammy. Most likely a warning and fine.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Mercedes in cheating mode to no-one's surprise, bunch of trash :lol

[ferrari1.8t]

Standard result would be a DNQ for anyone but Hammy. Most likely a warning and fine.

Lol, they will probably give him extra WCC points for the trouble. Wouldn’t want to hurt the poor babies feelings or get in the way of his gifted 8th.

[458 Italia]

Those DRS zones look like a joke.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Bit underwhelmed by Charles' performance in Q3, probably being limited to one lap, but Carlos did what I expected. I'd suggest Charles probably has more pace in the bag so if he finishes ahead in the sprint race he could have a good run at beating Gasly on Sunday.

If we get away with a P5/P7 and ahead of both McLarens the gap starts to become pretty big.

[ferrari1.8t]

Mercedes in cheating-mode to no-one's surprise, bunch of trash :lol

Then we have all Hamilton fans on Twitter and Instagram calling him the king and the goat lol. What a fraud.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis might have a problem.

Hamilton is under investigation for a DRS infringement during qualifying.

Lewis Hamilton faces a stewards' investigation over a DRS technical infringement following Formula 1 qualifying for the Brazilian Grand Prix on Friday.

Lewis Hamilton faces a stewards investigation over a DRS technical infringement following Formula 1 qualifying for the Brazilian Grand Prix on Friday.

Mercedes driver Hamilton topped Q3 ahead of title rival Max Verstappen at Interlagos, taking first place on the grid for Saturday’s 24-lap sprint race.

But in a bulletin sent out by the FIA following qualifying on Friday, technical delegate Jo Bauer revealed there had been an infringement with the DRS on Hamilton’s car in line with a technical directive.

“The uppermost rear wing element adjustable positions were checked on car number 44 for compliance with Article 3.6.3 of the 2021 Formula One Technical Regulations,” the bulletin reads.

“The requirement for the minimum distance was fulfilled. But the requirement for the maximum of 85mm, when the DRS system is deployed and tested in accordance with TD/011-19, was not fulfilled.

“I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration.”

Should Hamilton’s car be found to have incurred a technical breach, the seven-time world champion may be excluded from the qualifying results, leaving him at the back of the grid for the sprint race.

Hamilton is already facing a five-place grid penalty for Sunday’s race after Mercedes opted to change the engine on his car ahead of the race weekend.

It would come as another blow to Hamilton’s F1 title hopes, having slipped to 19 points behind Verstappen in the world championship following Sunday’s defeat in Mexico.

Hamilton said on Thursday that the challenge in Brazil would be “steep” given Red Bull’s pace advantage, but was encouraged by the 0.4 second gap to Verstappen in qualifying after feeling comfortable with the set-up on his Mercedes W12 car.

“The car was really nice to drive,” Hamilton said.

“It was everything I wanted, and that enabled me to just keep pushing. You saw purple, purple, purple, so I was just gaining each time.

“I don’t know how we can go from one track where they’re half a second ahead to then being behind, but anyways, they’ll be very strong in the race tomorrow.”

The 24-lap sprint race at Interlagos is due to begin at 7:30pm GMT (4:30pm local), with a second practice session scheduled for earlier in the day.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamilton-under-investigation-for-drs-infringement-in-brazil-f1-qualifying/6775002/

[WS6TransAm01]

No way FIA exclude the Affirmative Action champion.

Somehow they will find a way to justify it and let him keep his qualifying position.

[jgonzalesm6]

More on Lewis's DRS infringement from AMuS:

Red Bull now believes it has finally struck gold. According to Red Bull, the rear wing flap of the Mercedes folds backward from a speed of 260 km/h.

"They are doing the same thing that we were accused of until before the race in Baku," said Horner.

Red Bull and a few other teams had to back up at the time. The FIA ​​had tightened the rules for the flexibility of the wings at short notice.

One hour before qualifying began, Red Bull Technical Director Adrian Newey and Chief Engineer Paul Monaghan marched into the FIA ​​office with a mountain of papers and videos.

"We wanted to give Mercedes the chance to turn it off," Red Bull said

But also in the quali, according to the Mercedes, the rear wing flap flattened out with the DRS open in the last third of the straight. In any case, the TV pictures conveyed this impression.

[ferrari1.8t]

No way FIA exclude the Affirmative Action champion.

Somehow they will find a way to justify it and let him keep his qualifying position.

If they penalize him he will say it’s because of his skin colour, and they they are trying to stop him from winning!

[ferrari1.8t]

More on Lewis's DRS infringement from AMuS:

Red Bull now believes it has finally struck gold. According to Red Bull, the rear wing flap of the Mercedes folds backward from a speed of 260 km/h.

"They are doing the same thing that we were accused of until before the race in Baku," said Horner.

Red Bull and a few other teams had to back up at the time. The FIA ​​had tightened the rules for the flexibility of the wings at short notice.

One hour before qualifying began, Red Bull Technical Director Adrian Newey and Chief Engineer Paul Monaghan marched into the FIA ​​office with a mountain of papers and videos.

"We wanted to give Mercedes the chance to turn it off," Red Bull said

But also in the quali, according to the Mercedes, the rear wing flap flattened out with the DRS open in the last third of the straight. In any case, the TV pictures conveyed this impression.

Got to give it to Red Bull for constantly pushing Merc and watching their every move. I can’t wait until the Merc-Hamilton era is over and we can have a fair shot at wining! Looks like it’s finally happening…hopefully.

[WS6TransAm01]

If they penalize him he will say it’s because of his skin colour, and they they are trying to stop him from winning!

100%. Everything is racist unless it helps him.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Black Wings Matter :wave

Let's hope Hammy gets to see the tail end of the field. Good night everybody!

[jgonzalesm6]

Black Rear Wings Matter :wave

:rotfl

[ferrari1.8t]

The longer this drags on, the more it proves that Toto and Merc run F1. If Hamilton is not disqualified it will prove that F1 is corrupt and that Toto is dirty. It’s a clear cut case imo, illegal part equals disqualification. If this were ferrari, Sky and all the hamilton lovers would be loosing their minds. Let’s see how this plays out…

[jgonzalesm6]

The longer this drags on, the more it proves that Toto and Merc run F1. If Hamilton is not disqualified it will prove that F1 is corrupt and that Toto is dirty. It’s a clear cut case imo, illegal part equals disqualification. If this were ferrari, Sky and all the hamilton lovers would be loosing their minds. Let’s see how this plays out…

If the DRS infringement sticks, Lewis will start in the pitlane on Sunday which will trump the 5 grid spot penalty.

[jgonzalesm6]

Update on Lewis's car:

Lewis's car is facing 2 unrelated issues:

1) the DRS infringement

2) rear flexing wing.

[ferrari1.8t]

If the DRS infringement sticks, Lewis will start in the pitlane on Sunday which will trump the 5 grid spot penalty.

Here’s hoping. Can’t wait to hear how the president of the Hamilton fan club crofty, and his Vice President brundle try to warp this one and make Hamilton the victim :rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

Here’s hoping. Can’t wait to hear how the president of the Hamilton fan club crofty, and his Vice President brundle try to warp this one and make Hamilton the victim :rotfl

If it ends this way for Lewis where he starts in the pitlane:

1) Sad to see this "Uber" team and a 7 WDC champion resort to cheating their way for pole position.

now that I got that outta-da-way

2) I could give a flying ______ what happens to Toto and Lewis. Hope Lewis starts at the back and Max wins the 2021 championship.

[jgonzalesm6]

Meeting finished with the FIA and Mercedes. Now we wait.

[WS6TransAm01]

Black Wings Matter :wave

Let's hope Hammy gets to see the tail end of the field. Good night everybody!

I’m dead LOL

[Lesky]

Keep in mind Toto is working with this, he managed to convince much of the public that the 2017 and 2018 seasons was an intense 3-way battle for the championship between Merc, Ferrari and Red Bull. If there is anyone you would want in a meeting to try and dupe the stewards with lies and deceipt, its Mr.Wolff. I am still expecting Toto to pull Hamilton & Merc out of this unscatched! Toto did not earn his "Master of deception" title without merit, he is a smooth operator!

[SS454]

Might well do on race day.

Since races are always tire management and fuel savings, it isn't uncommon to see the race pace become more competitive. In outright pace, Mercedes is faster at Brazil... in the dry.

[SS454]

Update on Lewis's car:

Lewis's car is facing 2 unrelated issues:

1) the DRS infringement

2) rear flexing wing.

I don't think that is correct. I think he will start last in the sprint race as the infringement took place in the qualification for the sprint race.

[jgonzalesm6]

I don't think that is correct. I think he will start last in the sprint race as the infringement took place in the qualification for the sprint race.

If the FIA finds Lewis's car with the DRS Infringement and to include the flexing rear wing, Lewis will start in the pitlane on Sunday.

[ferrari1.8t]

I don't think that is correct. I think he will start last in the sprint race as the infringement took place in the qualification for the sprint race.

From Autosport:

Should Hamilton’s car be found to have incurred a technical breach, the seven-time world champion may be excluded from the qualifying results, leaving him at the back of the grid for the sprint race.

That’s not enough of a punishment if you ask me. He can easily work his way through the field with that cheating rocket ship. If found guilty, he should start last on race day, and Merc should face WDC penalty points

[Lesky]

It should be clear for the stewards they have to order Hamilton to start from the pitlane since Mercedes need to alter his rear wing to be compliant to run the sprint qualifying race. The cars are in parc ferme.

If they allow Mercedes to fix their car and start from pole then they make a presedence other teams can exploit. Even worse is if they allow Mercedes to run with the wing not compliant with the rules.

[ferrari1.8t]

Funny, no mention of the investigation on any of F1’s official social accounts. They try to protect Hamilton at all costs…

[Brembo]

2021 HAMILTON Brazillian GP Thread !!!!! Not a post mentioned about our two drivers? Lewis took over!

[ferrari1.8t]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-investigation-drs-infringement/

Hamilton hearing adjourned, FIA await more evidence

Only Merc and Hamilton can get such treatment. Why adjourn? To give themselves more time to figure out how to get Hamilton out of this?

Rumours on Twitter are suggesting that Verstappen touching hams wing after qualifying is playing into Mercs case. Don’t know how reliable or true that is. If so, I would be completely shocked with the lengths that the FIA would go through to protect golden boy.

[Lesky]

What did I tell you? They will make something up to get Hamilton off this. It they cant free Hamilton by any means - they will give Max a 5 or 10 place grid penalty to try and even up the score a bit. I knew this would happen. Delaying the decision makes it possible for them to come up something creative. The fix is in, so predictable.

[Lesky]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-investigation-drs-infringement/

Hamilton hearing adjourned, FIA await more evidence

Only Merc and Hamilton can get such treatment. Why adjourn? To give themselves more time to figure out how to get Hamilton out of this?

Rumours on Twitter are suggesting that Verstappen touching hams wing after qualifying is playing into Mercs case. Don’t know how reliable or true that is. If so, I would be completely shocked with the lengths that the FIA would go through to protect golden boy.

Here is Sebastian Vettel touching Red Bull and Mercedes cars without punishment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWlZqq3fWJs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=IxPmEq8d5FE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPs8odrk44M&t=3s

[jgonzalesm6]

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Rumours on Twitter are suggesting that Verstappen touching hams wing after qualifying is playing into Mercs case. Don’t know how reliable or true that is. If so, I would be completely shocked with the lengths that the FIA would go through to protect golden boy.

1) I've seen the video of Max "touching" the rear wing of Lewis's car.

2) Max has been summoned by the stewards for touching the rear wing of Lewis's car.

3) Laxt I checked, this DRS device si made of carbon fiber, the whole rear wing is made of carbon fiber.....able to withstand aero loads of 100's to 1000's of pounds of downforce given the cars speed. Obviously, as the car goes faster, more force is exerted on the rear wing.

4) I don't think Max is capable enough or strong enough to alter the DRS infringement (above 85mm when the DRS is open) rule and then the DRS STAYS ABOVE THE DRS INFRINGEMENT (over the 85mm mandatted rule). The video does'nt show Max trying to alter the DRS device.

[Lesky]

1) I've seen the video of Max "touching" the rear wing of Lewis's car.

2) Max has been summoned by the stewards for touching the rear wing of Lewis's car.

3) Laxt I checked, this DRS device si made of carbon fiber, the whold rear wing is made of carbon fiber.....able to withstand aero loads of 100's to 1000's of pounds of downforce given the cars speed. Obviously, as the car goes faster, more force is exerted on the rear wing.

4) I don't think Max is capable enough or strong enough to alter the DRS infringement (above 85mm when the DRS is open) rule and then the DRS STAYS ABOVE THE DRS INFRINGEMENT (over the 85mm mandatted rule). The video does'nt show Max trying to alter the DRS device.

Correct.

The key should not be whether Verstappen touched the Merc or not, but whether his possible light touch had any possbility to alter the wing.

Additionally, insinuating that Max Verstappen could have affected Lewis Hamilton's DRS measurements to exceed the mandatory 85mm is pure lunacy. There is no way in hell that he could have achieved something like that. If the speed of air when the car reaches +300 km/h cannot alter the structure of the DRS system, how on earth can Verstappen be able to do that? Is he superman now?

Mercedes breached the regulations and now the FIA and Toto are working together to bail Mercedes out for the sake of the show, what a joke.

[jgonzalesm6]

Correct.

The key should not be whether Verstappen touched the Merc or not, but whether his possible light touch had any possbility to alter the wing.

Additionally, insinuating that Max Verstappen could have affected Lewis Hamilton's DRS measurements to exceed the mandatory 85mm is pure lunacy. There is no way in hell that he could have achieved something like that. If the speed of air when the car reaches +300 km/h cannot alter the structure of the DRS system, how on earth can Verstappen be able to do that? Is he superman now?

Mercedes breached the regulations and now the FIA and Toto are working together to bail Mercedes out for the sake of the show, what a joke.

agreed.

[Lesky]

More on Lewis's DRS infringement from AMuS:

Red Bull now believes it has finally struck gold. According to Red Bull, the rear wing flap of the Mercedes folds backward from a speed of 260 km/h.

"They are doing the same thing that we were accused of until before the race in Baku," said Horner.

Red Bull and a few other teams had to back up at the time. The FIA ​​had tightened the rules for the flexibility of the wings at short notice.

One hour before qualifying began, Red Bull Technical Director Adrian Newey and Chief Engineer Paul Monaghan marched into the FIA ​​office with a mountain of papers and videos.

"We wanted to give Mercedes the chance to turn it off," Red Bull said

But also in the quali, according to the Mercedes, the rear wing flap flattened out with the DRS open in the last third of the straight. In any case, the TV pictures conveyed this impression.

Was this Mercedes silverstone "upgrade" that was so massive? It just has not been detected yet?

[jgonzalesm6]

Was this Mercedes silverstone "upgrade" that was so massive? It just has not been detected yet?

No. This was brought by RedBull in Brazil.

[Toothlessrage*]

This slugfest between Max and Lewis is just SO entertaining!

If Hamilton starts from the back somehow, will the M-FIA part the sea of competition so that Lewis has a straight line to the podium?

[Tifoso Svedese]

If Hammy gets bailed out by the maFIA I guess some will still deny that the fix was in during 2017 and 2018 before they hammered the legal engine when Charles started looking like a threat :lol

Then again, Ferrari never stood up for themselves and have played along with the Liberty/Netflix/NASCAR route, so they also deserve shade for it. The maFIA are really desperately trying to find an excuse to acquit him now. It's ridiculous.

[Toothlessrage*]

URL: https://es.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-citado-los-comisarios-brasil-monoplaza-hamilton/6775594/

Verstappen may be penalized for "checking" Hamilton's car

Max Verstappen is due to go to the stewards on Saturday morning in Brazil for a possible infraction of the regulations for going to check the wing of the car of his rival for the title, Lewis Hamilton, in the parc fermé.

[jgonzalesm6]

URL: https://es.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-citado-los-comisarios-brasil-monoplaza-hamilton/6775594/

Verstappen may be penalized for "checking" Hamilton's car

Max Verstappen is due to go to the stewards on Saturday morning in Brazil for a possible infraction of the regulations for going to check the wing of the car of his rival for the title, Lewis Hamilton, in the parc fermé.

Max should get a reprimand for touching Lewis's car in parc ferme....if anything. Max did'nt force the DRS Infringement on Lewis's car...Mercedes did.

[Greig]

Send them both to the back for Sunday's race :-)

[jgonzalesm6]

AMuS

Even Red Bull admits that the Hamilton DRS case was probably a manufacturing fault or done by accident. This is supported by the fact that the rear wing on Bottas' complied with the rules. This explains why the BOT was 5.5 km/h slower than his teammate on the straight.


not AMuS

A technical infringement is a technical infringement, I can’t think of a time the FIA has ever been forgiving in that respect, even if it’s a manufacturing fault.

Max touching a car is a sporting code infringement, they’re usually less severe in their punishment.

Expect Max to get a formal reprimand and Lewis to get a pit lane start with a new rear wing assembly.

The delay in the hearing is probably so Mercedes can present evidence it was a manufacturing defect or set up issue.

I don’t believe they purposely broke the rules, I also dont believe the FIA will be lenient, technical regulations are usually pretty black and white.

[SS454]

Failing scrutineering is a simple case of black and white and anything less than a DQ puts any credibility for F1, that is already on thin ice, completely out the window.

Vettel has been poking around other teams cars for years and hasn't once been reprimanded. In fact, F1's own IG channel shows him doing it as a skill set of his. For Max to get even a reprimand is already breaking the precedent that F1 has set with other drivers. This supports Alonso's statements about favoritism.

[ferrari1.8t]

Failing scrutineering is a simple case of black and white and anything less than a DQ puts any credibility for F1, that is already on thin ice, completely out the window.

Vettel has been poking around other teams cars for years and hasn't once been reprimanded. In fact, F1's own IG channel shows him doing it as a skill set of his. For Max to get even a reprimand is already breaking the precedent that F1 has set with other drivers. This supports Alonso's statements about favoritism.

You are 100% correct.. remember Vettel getting disqualified instantly in Hungary for not being able to provide 1 L of fuel? How fast the FIA made their decision then. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this sport is a joke. It’s only goal is to gift Hamilton 8 titles at any cost.

[patrese86]

There is no chance this was an accident. So essentially Red Bull spotted the "accidental" issue an hour earlier and reported it to the stewards with documentation yet Mercedes own engineers didn't spot the "malfunction" of the DRS. Absolute rubbish. They've been cheating and they've been caught. Now we will see conclusively once and for all whether Mercedes have the FIA in their pocket.

[stefa]

There is no chance this was an accident. So essentially Red Bull spotted the "accidental" issue an hour earlier and reported it to the stewards with documentation yet Mercedes own engineers didn't spot the "malfunction" of the DRS. Absolute rubbish. They've been cheating and they've been caught. Now we will see conclusively once and for all whether Mercedes have the FIA in their pocket.

For me it is very clear. Rules are written as someone said here, it is black and white. And they have been caught cheating. So, punishment and justice is served! Because all this is lasting very long I tend to believe that FIA is trying to find ways how to come out of this situation with clean face and of course Mercedes and their golden boy not to be pushed!

[Lesky]

For me it is very clear. Rules are written as someone said here, it is black and white. And they have been caught cheating. So, punishment and justice is served! Because all this is lasting very long I tend to believe that FIA is trying to find ways how to come out of this situation with clean face and of course Mercedes and their golden boy not to be pushed!

The key is either to free Hamilton because of Max touching the car, or to also punish Max with a like 10 place grid drop, that would be sufficient to negate Lewis loss. Or give Lewis a slap 5 place drop instead of starting from pitlane. They will get creative if needed. if higher powers within F1 gets involved, I suspect the rulebook goes out the window for other interest, thats what I have been suspecting all along since the delays started mounting.

[Decoded]

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Brazilian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Summons%20-%20Mercedes.pdf

From The Stewards
To The Team Manager,
Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team
Document 24
Date 13 November 2021
Time 09:01
2021 BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX
11 - 14 November 2021
A team representative is required to report to the Stewards at 10:30 in relation to the incident below.
The Stewards
No / Driver 44 - Lewis Hamilton
Reason Alleged breach of Article 3.6.3 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations.
Tim Mayer Matteo Perini
Vitantonio Liuzzi Roberto Pupo Moreno

[20000rpm]

Why is Ham not starting at the back of the grid? He is going for a new ICE, similar to Sainz or Charles, both of which got back of the grid penalty.

[springfield]

Leclerc and Sainz changed whole PU and Hamilton only ICE

[Lesky]

Why is Ham not starting at the back of the grid? He is going for a new ICE, similar to Sainz or Charles, both of which got back of the grid penalty.

If you change only 1 part of the engine, its a 10 place grid drop, and the 2nd time you change only 1 part, its a 5 place grid drop. Thats why Lewis only get 5 places drop on sunday. Its a farce tbh, losing like 1 or 2 places as the race result only.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why is Ham not starting at the back of the grid? He is going for a new ICE, similar to Sainz or Charles, both of which got back of the grid penalty.

It's just an ICE unit change.

You get penalized or sent back to the grid IF you change everything which consists of the ICE, TC, MGU-H, MGU-K, ES, CE, and EX.

[Toothlessrage*]

Could someone explain where we lack with regards to Gasly/Alpha Tauri?

Is it because of the driver/PU/aero/track characteristics/combination of multiple factors?

[jgonzalesm6]

Could someone explain where we lack with regards to Gasly/Alpha Tauri?

Is it because of the driver/PU/aero/track characteristics/combination of multiple factors?

Great driver to include the Honda PU.

[jgonzalesm6]

Every team has this DRS probe.

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1459491240215465994

[Lesky]

What happens with the ton of papers Newey handed over to the FIA 60 minutes before Q about Mercs wing? Will that issue be adressed after the weekend because of this ongoing saga?

[Greig]

The FIA probe goes through the Merc wing so it's a slam dunk penalty, I imagine pit lane start for the sprint.

Max will get a reprimand at most.

[jgonzalesm6]

What happens with the ton of papers Newey handed over to the FIA 60 minutes before Q about Mercs wing? Will that issue be adressed after the weekend because of this ongoing saga?

Mercedes will meet with the stewards in about 15 minutes at time of post.


Max looks happy in the RedBull camp eating with his entourage.

[Lesky]

Mercedes will meet with the stewards in about 15 minutes at time of post.



Yes, but isnt that meeting about the DRS only and not the wing flexing at over 260km/h? Those are two separate issues?

[Greig]

Yes, but isnt that meeting about the DRS only and not the wing flexing at over 260km/h? Those are two separate issues?

DRS only as there has been no investigation into anything else.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yes, but isnt that meeting about the DRS only and not the wing flexing at over 260km/h? Those are two separate issues?

That is what I'm seeing. 2 seperate issues. One is the DRS Infringement and the other is the flexing of the rear wing under load.


DRS only as there has been no investigation into anything else.

RedBull presented the FIA with the rear wing flexing under load which is a seperate issue. We'll see what happens after the meeting.

[Greig]

That is what I'm seeing. 2 seperate issues. One is the DRS Infringement and the other is the flexing of the rear wing under load.



RedBull presented the FIA with the rear wing flexing under load which is a seperate issue. We'll see what happens after the meeting.

It's not being investigated though, just the DRS issue is under investigation ATM.

[Lesky]

It's not being investigated though, just the DRS issue is under investigation ATM.

Have not Ferrari been seen frequently discussing with Red Bulls top brass about Mercs sudden explotion of power on the straights? I believe Ferrari are keen to stop this as well if possible!

[Greig]

Have not Ferrari been seen frequently discussing with Red Bulls top brass about Mercs sudden explotion of power on the straights? I believe Ferrari are keen to stop this as well if possible!

Binotto said he talked with Red Bull about it but went no further, not sure it was related to the rear wing though.

[Toothlessrage*]

Marko: Mercedes claiming Verstappen damaged Hamilton's wing

Helmut Marko says Mercedes are now claiming that Max Verstappen damaged Lewis Hamilton's rear wing in parc ferme conditions.

URL: https://racingnews365.com/marko-mercedes-claiming-verstappen-damaged-hamiltons-wing

[Decoded]

Marko: Mercedes claiming Verstappen damaged Hamilton's wing

Helmut Marko says Mercedes are now claiming that Max Verstappen damaged Lewis Hamilton's rear wing in parc ferme conditions.

URL: https://racingnews365.com/marko-mercedes-claiming-verstappen-damaged-hamiltons-wing

There is live feed here with the DRS wing also:
https://racingnews365.com/live-f1-2021-brazilian-grand-prix-free-practice-2

[Lesky]

Marko: Mercedes claiming Verstappen damaged Hamilton's wing

Helmut Marko says Mercedes are now claiming that Max Verstappen damaged Lewis Hamilton's rear wing in parc ferme conditions.

URL: https://racingnews365.com/marko-mercedes-claiming-verstappen-damaged-hamiltons-wing

Chandok has been posting on twitter that the wing can withstand the huge forces at high speed and Max can't change the position of a wing/flap.

"For those asking if Max could have manipulated the wing, let’s all be clear that the wings are designed to sustain hundreds of kilos of load without breaking.

Andre the giant could sit on it! As fit and strong as Max is, I doubt he managed to bend the wing…."

[Greig]

Marko: Mercedes claiming Verstappen damaged Hamilton's wing

Helmut Marko says Mercedes are now claiming that Max Verstappen damaged Lewis Hamilton's rear wing in parc ferme conditions.

URL: https://racingnews365.com/marko-mercedes-claiming-verstappen-damaged-hamiltons-wing

:rotfl

[Lesky]

:rotfl

This should mean Lewis goes free and that Max should perhaps be banned from the race and championship for sabotaging Lewis car? Oh wow, cool story!

[Greig]

Merc have just left the stewards office, so nearly 1 hour in there.

[ferrari1.8t]

Merc have just left the stewards office, so nearly 1 hour in there.

Toto must have been signing a lot of cheques :-D

[Lesky]

Alonsos car camera in favour of Verstappen:

"While waiting for the decision of the commissioners Motorsport has learned, from a direct source, that there was a key element in the resolution of the case: the on-board camera of Fernando Alonso's car , parked in the pitlane near the Mercedes de Hamilton , collected that Verstappen, according to those involved, really barely touched the investigated car.

If it is found that Verstappen's contact with the rear of the Mercedes was not strong enough to alter anything, the argument that the German team was clinging to would collapse."


https://es.motorsport.com/f1/news/camara-alonso-prueba-verstappen-hamilton/6777353/

[Lesky]

Well Sky italy spoke to Mercedes insider and they said a s a tried and tested wing design which has passed numerous tests and the construction has not changed. They even provided wing batch, date of production etc etc The same wing batch was tested in advance of this event was identical to Valtteri Bottas' rear wing. So to say merc cheated is not correct hence the delay. They cannot prove why it got wider or not. The identical wing is on VB. So only other reason is naturally got wider?? due to failure or something or manually manipulated (hence the Max thing)

[Tifoso Svedese]

https://i.ibb.co/K09YKKY/FEFA5nf-Vg-AAenn-O.png

Toto probably did something like this. Saw it on the Autosport board.

[Toothlessrage*]

Stewards grant Mercedes permission to replace rear wing

The race stewards at Interlagos have given Mercedes permission to change their rear wing ahead of second practice in Brazil.

URL: https://racingnews365.com/stewards-grant-permission-to-mercedes-to-replace-rear-wing

[JChan]

THis is what it is FIA favoring Merc when it is obvious... put that 86mm to other team maybe right away there's a verdict for place drop or DQ.

[Toothlessrage*]

Stewards grant Mercedes permission to replace rear wing

The race stewards at Interlagos have given Mercedes permission to change their rear wing ahead of second practice in Brazil.

URL: https://racingnews365.com/stewards-grant-permission-to-mercedes-to-replace-rear-wing

I would like to clarify:

"Incidentally, Hamilton is running a different rear wing in this session than the one he used in qualifying yesterday - that original version is still with the FIA. Hamilton does have permission to run the different version, which is needed since we are now after qualifying and therefore in a variation of parc ferme regulations."

Therefore, both Lewis and Max are still under investigation.

[ferrari1.8t]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-claim-max-damaged-hamiltons-rear-wing/

‘Mercedes claim Max damaged Hamilton’s rear wing’

This is a new low for Mercedes. If the FIA actually let Merc off because of this, they will loose all credibility that they have left. The non-Merc powered cars should protest and not take part in the weekend. Better yet, Park on track and demand that the lid be blown of this merc-ham-Pirelli-fia. What a complete disaster.

[stefa]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-claim-max-damaged-hamiltons-rear-wing/

‘Mercedes claim Max damaged Hamilton’s rear wing’

This is a new low for Mercedes. If the FIA actually let Merc off because of this, they will loose all credibility that they have left. The non-Merc powered cars should protest and not take part in the weekend. Better yet, Park on track and demand that the lid be blown of this merc-ham-Pirelli-fia. What a complete disaster.

I agree with you. This is so low, like why don't they gave LH trophy imedeately and spare all of us from this sharade! Discusting!

[Lesky]

I agree with you. This is so low, like why don't they gave LH trophy imedeately and spare all of us from this sharade! Discusting!

Yes, this is the final straw, if they dont DQ Lewis, its clear as day that its rigged! Just like the lack of Silverstone penalty.

[stefa]

And still no decision?! That tells me only one thing and that is that now FIA is working hard on how to blame MV and let off the hook their golden boy LH.

[stefa]

Yes, this is the final straw, if they dont DQ Lewis, its clear as day that its rigged! Just like the lack of Silverstone penalty.

Exactly!

[Greig]

Yes, this is the final straw, if they dont DQ Lewis, its clear as day that its rigged! Just like the lack of Silverstone penalty.

He got a penalty at Silverstone though.

[paolo lalli]

Well you can't go lower than a snakes belly.Mercedes are in panic mode and a clinging on by a thread,and now they have started eye gouging in the arm wrestle,with red bull.

[Lesky]

He got a penalty at Silverstone though.

Slap on the wrist. Should have been 10 second stop and go to be served in 2 laps after the restart or a drive through to be served within 2 laps of the restart. The penalty did nothing and he made up 36 points in the standings for an incident he was deemed guilty for and got free repairs under a red flag Lewis himself caused. It was in UK, so they gave him a penalty to make it look like he was punished, but they knew it was not going to affect the results.

[stefa]

Slap on the wrist. Should have been 10 second stop and go to be served in 2 laps after the restart or a drive through to be served within 2 laps of the restart. The penalty did nothing and he made up 36 points in the standings for an incident he was deemed guilty for and got free repairs under a red flag Lewis himself caused. It was in UK, so they gave him a penalty to make it look like he was punished, but they knew it was not going to affect the results.
:thumb

[Lesky]

"Sky said there will be a decision on Max in the next 30-45 mins but the decision on Lewis's car will take longer."

[stefa]

He got a penalty at Silverstone though.

Penalty he got was sharade

[stefa]

"Sky said there will be a decision on Max in the next 30-45 mins but the decision on Lewis's car will take longer."

This is really insult to our inteligency....

[Lesky]

This is really insult to our inteligency....

They will wait until 10 minutes before the sprint, and say we checked everything and we took fingerprints on the Merc wing, and Max prints were there. Lewis is free to race"

Merc probably have threatened to sue FIA and with Wolff throwing it all he will win! An absolute farce. See my signature by Alonso, its more true than ever!

[458 Italia]

I'm not following this, only reading what is being said here but it sounds like a massive farce! :rotfl

[20000rpm]

Leclerc and Sainz changed whole PU and Hamilton only ICE


If you change only 1 part of the engine, its a 10 place grid drop, and the 2nd time you change only 1 part, its a 5 place grid drop. Thats why Lewis only get 5 places drop on sunday. Its a farce tbh, losing like 1 or 2 places as the race result only.


It's just an ICE unit change.

You get penalized or sent back to the grid IF you change everything which consists of the ICE, TC, MGU-H, MGU-K, ES, CE, and EX.

Thank you guys...:thumb

[Lesky]

Wow, wonder if Merc is the odd team from the rule?



In fairness, race director Michael Masi understandably took the opposite view.

"When it comes to technical infringements, I think Martin Brundle put it best when I bumped into him down on the grid, he said: 'You're either pregnant or you're not,'" Masi said.

"Those were his words, but it's one of those that when it comes down to a technical infringement of that nature the outcome is that you either are or you aren't. While I can feel for Daniel, it was an error and, sadly, it is what it is.
[B]"We would be stepping in dangerous territory, with technical infringements in particular, if we start building margins in upon margins, upon margins. There was a margin there and the margin was exceeded -- the margin that applies to everyone."

[Greig]

Reminding me of when Ferrari got away with the bargeboards being 5mm too short :-D

[Greig]

Max got a 50k fine for touching the Merc LOL

Be afraid Seb.....

[Greig]

In the Max statement it says they have HD video from the Merc showing his touching does not change the wing at all, which will negate Merc trying to blame him.

Now to DQ Lewis.

[Lesky]

In the Max statement it says they have HD video from the Merc showing his touching does not change the wing at all, which will negate Merc trying to blame him.

Now to DQ Lewis.

Excellent. Why did they wait 20 hours to come to this conclusion for Max? Was it really that difficult?

[paolo lalli]

Max 50.000 euro fine.wow for putting a finger on the wing,his finger print caused excessive damage.LOL.

[Lesky]

Biggest fine ever for a driver?

So with 24 hours to play with, what have the FIA come up with to possible not DQ Hamilton and start him from the pits? They have to have come up with something, I cant imagine they will just DQ him now. Start from the back of the grid? 10 place penalty? 5 place grid drop?

[hakanabi]

Ham disqualified

[Greig]

Lewis DQ

[hakanabi]

Lewis DQ

Only from qualifying as far as my understanding which I don't believe enough for the crime. Should start from back of the grid or from pit lane for the race too.

[ferrari1.8t]

Only from qualifying as far as my understanding which I don't believe enough for the crime. Should start from back of the grid or from pit lane for the race too.

I agree, the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. He’s getting off lightly because of the sprint weekend format.

[ferrari1.8t]

Max got a 50k fine for touching the Merc LOL

Be afraid Seb.....

So will the FIA go back and retroactively fine every driver who has touched a competitors car? What a joke, just don’t want to hurt Ham’s feelings so they need to give max a penalty along with Hams. I hope vettel and other drivers make some comments on how dumb this fine is.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis will start last in the sprint race.

[Greig]

I agree, the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. He’s getting off lightly because of the sprint weekend format.

Not that lightly considering he still has 5 place drop to come for Sunday, making him start from back on Sunday would be more light. Max should gain 3 points on him today. Not much the FIA could do, DQ from qualifying is what everyone expected.

[Forza Rosso]

[QUOTE=jgonzalesm6;1050045]AMuS

Even Red Bull admits that the Hamilton DRS case was probably a manufacturing fault or done by accident. This is supported by the fact that the rear wing on Bottas' complied with the rules. This explains why the BOT was 5.5 km/h slower than his teammate on the straight.

Of course if it's Merc then it's only a "manufacturing" fault .
If, on the other hand , it would be a Ferrari , they would be shouting "those cheaters , see now , they are doing it again :-! "

[Shadowfax84]

Toto needs to go - he has created a toxic environment and win-at-all costs mentality but in a bad way. He and his bride Lewis are sore losers and are trying everything to win even if it is violating the rules.

[SS454]

The fact it took nearly a full day to come up with a decision that a 30 second test determined the car was illegal is an absolute joke.

Mercedes trying to claim Max's fingers damaged their rear wing and the Stewards not immediately dismissing it is an absolute joke.

Giving Max a fine for touching another car when Vettel has done it and was praised by F1 for doing so many many times, not to mention Hamilton himself touching other cars and no action was taken is an absolutely joke.

The fine being 50K during the budget cap, another absolute joke.

[20000rpm]

The fact it took nearly a full day to come up with a decision that a 30 second test determined the car was illegal is an absolute joke.

Mercedes trying to claim Max's fingers damaged their rear wing and the Stewards not immediately dismissing it is an absolute joke.

Giving Max a fine for touching another car when Vettel has done it and was praised by F1 for doing so many many times, not to mention Hamilton himself touching other cars and no action was taken is an absolutely joke.

The fine being 50K during the budget cap, another absolute joke.

F-1 has been reduced to a joke in Ham-Toto era.

[tifosi1993]

Should've been a DSQ from this race. Allowing him to take part in the sprint qualifying as well as the race itself, this so called "punishment" doesn't suit the infringement.

[stefa]

This so called F1 is just a Mercedes circus with everyone else as clowns

[ferrari1.8t]

This so called F1 is just a Mercedes circus with everyone else as clowns

100%. Makes you wonder why the other teams waste millions competing with their hands tied. Must be frustrating for them not to be able to do anything about it.

[ferrari1.8t]

I’m sure the powers that be will orchestrate an engine failure or something with Verstappen to keep the title fight close. Let’s hope I’m wrong

[stefa]

100%. Makes you wonder why the other teams waste millions competing with their hands tied. Must be frustrating for them not to be able to do anything about it.

This is really 1.000.000 $ question?! I am really puzzled we other are playing in this charade?!

[elnano14]

Sainz on softs

[stefa]

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[ntukza]

The moaning and crying on this forum is really pathetic. People here won't be satisfied with anything less than a death penalty for Hamilton and the rest of the Merc team. How I wish there was a better forum than the people on here. It's so tiring

[ferrari1.8t]

The moaning and crying on this forum is really pathetic. People here won't be satisfied with anything less than a death penalty for Hamilton and the rest of the Merc team. How I wish there was a better forum than the people on here. It's so tiring

8 years of the same crap, what do you expect? We enjoy racing, not this corrupt garbage formula that has been designed for 1 team and 1 driver. It’s time for a change.

[stefa]

8 years of the same crap, what do you expect? We enjoy racing, not this corrupt garbage formula that has been designed for 1 team and 1 driver. It’s time for a change.
:thumb

[stefa]

CL lost place to Noris

[ferrari1.8t]

Jesus crofty, shut up already.

[stefa]

We are slow

[ferrari1.8t]

CL lost place to Noris

He put up a good fight at least

[PURE PASSION]

We doesn't have any pace at all !!!!

[elnano14]

What's up with Leclerc this weekend (at last weekend) ?

[stefa]

What's up with Leclerc this weekend (at last weekend) ?

Has a garbage of a car!

[elnano14]

Has a garbage of a car!

Sainz's still doing acceptable job

[stefa]

Sainz's still doing acceptable job

He is better in managing garbage of a car :-D

[stefa]

LH will finish 4th or 3rd

[ferrari1.8t]

This is a formula? The way ham blew past gasly…2022 can’t come fast enough.

[stefa]

And CL lost a place to LH

[ferrari1.8t]

And CL lost a place to LH

Crofty and brundle are gushing hard over him.

[stefa]

MV is doing nothing to take VB?!

[stefa]

As in previous cases this sprint race is just... boring...

[ferrari1.8t]

As in previous cases this sprint race is just... boring...

Crofty seemed to enjoy it :furious

[patrese86]

Good drive from Carlos.

That Mercedes is so illegal it's unreal lol.

[stefa]

Congratulations to CS on great drive. CL was bleak

[Tifoso Svedese]

Nice bonus point :wave

Either way, how the hell was the cheating scum crew allowed to start on the grid??? DSQ from qualifying means DSQ.

Red Bull might snatch defeat from the jaws of victory dammit.

[ferrari1.8t]

Did Toto just say “**** them all” on Hamilton’s radio?

[stefa]

I am amazed MV couldn't even try to overtake VB

[stefa]

Did Toto just say “**** them all” on Hamilton’s radio?

He did!!!! :-E

[nani_s23]

Stellar job by Sainz ….!! Keeping faster car behind….!!

Super drive from him. If Ferrari gets that engine sorted out… oh boy. We have strong drivers to give Mercs/RB run for their money.

[ferrari1.8t]

I hate Mercedes Merc team radio - “Hamilton, don’t touch any other cars” disgusting team, F1 would be better if they weren’t here.

[patrese86]

Haha Toto. Grow up you piece of scum

[Tifoso Svedese]

Charles got caught up when Carlos had some graining (?) by the looks of things. Then he knew he couldn't overtake the dragster so dropped back and just finished.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The sooner Toto goes down for money laundering or bribery the better.

[nani_s23]

This is a formula? The way ham blew past gasly…2022 can’t come fast enough.

Silverstone upgrade from Mercs is massive. They’ve got super strong engine.
But RB got over all strong package.

I would both cars are almost evenly matched.

[hakanabi]

I am amazed MV couldn't even try to overtake VB

Merc is almost half a second faster, he did not have the pace to challenge

[Tifoso Svedese]

Max will win quite easy through tyre strategy tomorrow. He's quite a lot faster, especially on higher fuel, than the Bottler.

[TonyRizza]

Tinfoil hat time.

Merc got caught with the drs in purpose to hide some other illegal upgrade to the car.

That pace is insane compared to last few races, surely not all from 1 engine.

[nani_s23]

Merc is almost half a second faster, he did not have the pace to challenge

It’s faster only in the hands of Ham.
Bottas didn’t have the pace as similar to Ham. Although both are different tyres. Tmrw Ham got new ICE which means even more power. So it will be interesting to see.

[hakanabi]

Bottas was on red and verstappen was on harder compound. The question is which tyre are they starting the race tomorrow?

[nani_s23]

Max will win quite easy through tyre strategy tomorrow. He's quite a lot faster, especially on higher fuel, than the Bottler.

Yup… it’s RB & Max to loose championship from here.
Mercs play catch up.

[JacKy]

As always Leclerc faded away as the race proceed. Idk what is going on with him but seems like he didnt try to do anything.

[nani_s23]

As always Leclerc faded away as the race proceed. Idk what is going on with him but seems ilke he didnt try to do anything.

Rear end of the car is sliding for him. There’s absolutely no grip, May be he went with wrong setup.

[DJTaurus]

I keep telling you guys about the sainz underdog….

[stefa]

The moaning and crying on this forum is really pathetic. People here won't be satisfied with anything less than a death penalty for Hamilton and the rest of the Merc team. How I wish there was a better forum than the people on here. It's so tiring

And you must be enjoying all Mercedes wins and titles....?

[ferrari1.8t]

Yup… it’s RB & Max to loose championship from here.
Mercs play catch up.

I don’t think so, Hamilton made up 14 places in 24 laps. That car is a monster. He will easily have a chance to battle Verstappen tomorrow. Bottas will move over for him. Ham still has a shot this year, and it only takes 1 DNF to swing the table.

[nani_s23]

I keep telling you guys about the sainz underdog….

He’s strong at race pace. But this year I’m seeing his quali pace too.

[458 Italia]

Just had an alert on my phone saying "hamilton charges through sprint field" Sounds like a real punishment :roll

[nani_s23]

I don’t think so, Hamilton made up 14 places in 24 laps. That car is a monster. He will easily have a chance to battle Verstappen tomorrow. Bottas will move over for him. Ham still has a shot this year, and it only takes 1 DNF to swing the table.

It’s simple max played it safe. Mercs with bottas can do anything (aggressive)
If max takes the lead tomorrow it’s easy win for him. Else Ham will come up fast & play strategy with pit stop. That’s the only chance for him.

[SS454]

All the passes Hamilton made had nothing to do with talent. His Mercedes had so much more power than anyone else it was disgusting.

Seriously it looked like a video game when you put the AI on easy mode. Again, that has ZERO to do with driver skill. He pushes the pedal down to the floor and his car just drives around anyone, regardless if they had DRS or not.

[nani_s23]

If bottas holds up max for 15-20 Laps tomorrow. Then it will bring Lewis into P1 contention, not saying he’s gonna win but there’s a probability. Such is the pace of Ham’s car. Also bringing in new ICE will give him more power.

So it’s crucial for max to get pass bottas tmrw as early as possible.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The moaning and crying on this forum is really pathetic. People here won't be satisfied with anything less than a death penalty for Hamilton and the rest of the Merc team. How I wish there was a better forum than the people on here. It's so tiring

Once again:

Black wings matter :wave

[458 Italia]

Once again:

Black wings matter :wave

I don't know of anyone that has actually called for hamilton's death let alone the merc team, but still if the OP has ever seen that they should report it to the mods.

[Hornet]

I feel like the spirt race made Lewis' penalty just a small price to pay for breaching technical rules.
In the sprint race, Merc could easily use their advantage to minimize the impact as there is no consequence to Lewis pushing hard all the way.
Unlike in an actual race where they would have to consider their race strategy etc

It should have been applied like the engine penalty, on the actual race starting position.

[paolo lalli]

Max just needs to keep his head and stay well clear of any on track squabbling merc are baiting him and will try everything to make him the ham in the sandwich.Now more than ever no mad max.A Dnf is what merc are praying for.The pressure is on hamilton and mercedes.I do not expect bottas giving in to hamilton easily, he has nothing to loose and has a new team.A naughty buttler would be perfect.

[20000rpm]

So I just saw the highlights of the sprint race, and boy was it a total farce. It's no rocket science that Mercedes has some additional horse power hiding under its hood to be used in tricky situations. That can only explain how Mercedes/Hamilton can easily pass those cars like they were nothing. I am only assuming that Ferrari has taken note about this and are doing something to be used as a reserve under new engines rules, around 40hp.

Good job by Carlos, managed to hold off Perez for 24 laps. Charles was struggling the whole week with the car so it was expected. Car is unstable at the rear.

[Toothlessrage*]

Carlos is really impressive this season!
I hope Charles can overcome whatever difficulty he's facing.
We need the Scuderia to overhaul Norris and the McMercs in the standings!

I pray Ferrari has a competitive package for next season.
They should do justice to the talent and speed both Carlos and Charles present.

FROZA FERRARI!
WE CAN DO IT!

[SS454]

I can't believe I didnt see this until now, but I watched Verstappen and Horner's post sprint race interviews and Max said RBR suspected something has been going on with Mercedes (Lewis') rear wing, and he said he clearly saw something. This coincides with Adrian Newey going to the stewards regarding Mercedes' rear wing. Horner then said roughly the same thing, and said that specifically on Lewis Hamilton's car that his straight line performance is in a different league. He was 27 kph faster than Lando Norris when he passed him which is unheard of. He said for Mercedes to attain these speeds through horsepower alone would require a power delta to every other engine that is off the scale. The 100 horsepower different I randomly through out there would be realistic, which is highly doubtful is in fact the case without some sort of cheating of fuel flow. Very interesting he said did say specifically Hamilton's car, which may suggest poor Bottas doesn't even get to use their "cheat" wing.

[wisepie]

Great effort from Carlos in the sprint race but something wasn't right with Charles, even Norris sailed past him with little effort. Has Lando got a HAM engine stuck in the back? Still, let's see what the proper race brings, Merc have so much power it's a joke and Crofty & Co are getting right up my nose with their biased HAM love-in, it's sickening.:roll

[stefa]

Since 2014 when Mercedes has hijacked F1 and put FIA in their pocket everything about F1 is rigged. Mercedes has to win at all cost everything and set all the recorda that can be set! I am not that guy that believes in conspiracy theories, but after watching yesterday sprint race and how LH was able to fly by other cars!!!! Isn't it obvious that they have somoething others don't?! It is same when I am driving GT sport with my car tunned to to max with and have like 100bhp advantage! I am sick of all this Mercedes circus!

[Greig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4nktO6xpk

[ntukza]

Since 2014 when Mercedes has hijacked F1 and put FIA in their pocket everything about F1 is rigged. Mercedes has to win at all cost everything and set all the recorda that can be set! I am not that guy that believes in conspiracy theories, but after watching yesterday sprint race and how LH was able to fly by other cars!!!! Isn't it obvious that they have somoething others don't?!

Yes it is. It's been obvious for a number of seasons now.


It is same when I am driving GT sport with my car tunned to to max with and have like 100bhp advantage! I am sick of all this Mercedes circus!

Is this goodbye then?

[ntukza]

Great effort from Carlos in the sprint race but something wasn't right with Charles, even Norris sailed past him with little effort. Has Lando got a HAM engine stuck in the back? Still, let's see what the proper race brings, Merc have so much power it's a joke and Crofty & Co are getting right up my nose with their biased HAM love-in, it's sickening.:roll

Yeah quite disappointing from Charles. He seemed to be getting back at Lando though towards the end until LH sailed past him, so perhaps there's hope for the race. Good job by Carlos.

[Redfive]

Ham will win today, that Merc straight line speed is immense and the RBR isn't even close. (and no one defends from him, they just let him sail past)
as for 2nd/3rd? probably Bottas/Max unless something happens.

Hoping Ferrari can take a solid 5th-6th or maybe even 4th if Perez's pace is poor.

Forza Ferrari!

[stefa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4nktO6xpk

:lol

Straight to the point

[stefa]

Yes it is. It's been obvious for a number of seasons now.



Is this goodbye then?

Unfortunately for you, No! I will torture myself more :lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Toto cussing on team readio to Lewis after Lewis's sprint race.

Classy guy. :roll

[patrese86]

Lewis was 27kph faster than Lando when he overtook him. That's not even possible without cheating. Especially part way through a season where manufacturers are looking to 2022 and this level of homologation exists.

[ferrari1.8t]

Lewis was 27kph faster than Lando when he overtook him. That's not even possible without cheating. Especially part way through a season where manufacturers are looking to 2022 and this level of homologation exists.

When Ferrari found some speed the witch-hunt began quickly. Everyone and their mother called them cheats and FIA clipped their wings.

Mercedes finds 27kpa of speed, and no one bats an eye. The prophecy must be fulfilled at all costs, Hamilton must dethrone Schumacher. (Side note, Horner said he still will be watching that Merc because he doesn’t know where that speed comes from)

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis was 27kph faster than Lando when he overtook him. That's not even possible without cheating. Especially part way through a season where manufacturers are looking to 2022 and this level of homologation exists.


When Ferrari found some speed the witch-hunt began quickly. Everyone and their mother called them cheats and FIA clipped their wings.

Mercedes finds 27kpa of speed, and no one bats an eye. The prophecy must be fulfilled at all costs, Hamilton must dethrone Schumacher. (Side note, Horner said he still will be watching that Merc because he doesn’t know where that speed comes from)

Horner and team are looking into Mercedes (Lewis's) monster speed during the sprint race. They have an idea of what it is but it is left to the engineers.

Let's see Lewis's speed today with a full tank of gas and tires to conserve during the race.

Max HAS to pass Bottas on the opening lap otherwise Bottas will slow the field down so Lewis can catch up to everyone and overtake.

[stefa]

What is the weather forecast?

[jgonzalesm6]

What is the weather forecast?

Sunny, hot, and no rain.

[Lesky]

Prediction: Sainz to collide with either Max or Perez at the start and hand Hamilton 2 positions for free!

[stefa]

Sunny, hot, and no rain.

Thank you

[Lesky]

55c track temperature today.

Yesterday it was 25c.

[Lesky]

Toto removing his mask to whine about Red Bull, he is angry today!