2021 Brazilian Grand Prix - Race Thread

[tifosi1993]

Starting Grid:

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[tifosi1993]

Two stopper is the way to go. Hopefully our geniuses at the pitwall won't do anything stupid, like going for a one stopper. If both Ferrari's survive the first lap and reliability issues, then we're in for a good race.

[KimiBot]

1 MERCEDES 481.5
2 RED BULL RACING HONDA 479.5
3 FERRARI 269.5
4 MCLAREN MERCEDES 255

[jgonzalesm6]

Love the Glock and Massa interview. 2008 revisited.

[jgonzalesm6]

Track temp is 20 degrees hotter than yesterday.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ugh don't mention 2008, 2010 or 2012 please :-??

I hope Hammy gets collected in turn 1 would serve the cheats right.

[jgonzalesm6]

Fascinating to see the Mercedes drivers sending Hamilton out on softs and Bottas on mediums.

[ferrari1.8t]

Toto already talking with the FIA on the grid making sure Hamilton gets all the help he needs. Whining to brundle about Red Bull, not taking any accountability for their mistakes.

[jgonzalesm6]

How can Toto compare Redbulls rear wing in Mexico under parc ferme and Lewis's rear wing in Brazil......crazy!!!!:roll

[Greig]

Imagine most in the top 10 will start on mediums, 2 stop with this heat certainly.

[ferrari1.8t]

Getting close to lights out, hoping for a strong, clean race from our drivers. Finishing in front of both McLaren’s is the ultimate goal. Forza Ferrari! Good luck Charles and Carlos

[Greig]

How can Toto compare Redbulls rear wing in Mexico under parc ferme and Lewis's rear wing in Brazil......crazy!!!!:roll

3rd race in a row they have been allowed to change it under parc ferme conditions, if it was Merc doing it then most in here would be foaming at the mouth :-D

[Tifoso Svedese]

Tyre eater race should benefit both our cars over Norris.

[stefa]

Only YT on SOFT

[tifosi1993]

Parts changed during Parc Ferme:

Car 33 (Verstappen):

1. Brake Master Cylinders
2. Rear Wing Upper Flap
3. Rear Wing Flap Snubber
4. LHS Front Trackrod Anti-rotation Device
5. ICE Auxiliary Oil Return Pipe
6. Parameters Changes Associated with the Replacement of the Brake Master Cylinders

So Red Bull are allowed changed a large number of parts under Parc Ferme. Frankly, what's even the point of Parc Ferme if so many parts can be changed so easily and without any repercussion.

[stefa]

:ferrarifl

[Greig]

:ferrarifl

[ferrari1.8t]

Ya that Merc is legal :roll

[patrese86]

At least try and fight it Carlos!

[stefa]

This is laughable!!! LH is flying past other like they are in go karts

[Greig]

This is laughable!!! LH is flying past other like they are in go karts

Not new is it? why are so many acting surprised....

[ferrari1.8t]

The butler already moved over…poor bottas, poor fans

[Ferrari312T4]

Indeed the penalties are laughable. And the Mercedes is passing cars as if they are reliant robins

[stefa]

If stays like this, for Ferrari, it will be again great haul of points against McLaren :-D

[Greig]

The butler already moved over…poor bottas, poor fans

Yeah Red Bull would not do the same....

[stefa]

Not new is it? why are so many acting surprised....

I am not surprised at all. It was clear to me back in 2014! I am just saying :lou

[stefa]

SC

[ferrari1.8t]

Cue the safety car, bring Hamilton right into contention for the win. Farce

[DJTaurus]

Someone should explain to us how Hamilton is such faster even than bottas.

[RicRac]

This is ridiculous... That Merc is illegal

[Tifoso Svedese]

maFIA helping out with no VSC for that one *shakes head*

[Greig]

Cue the safety car, bring Hamilton right into contention for the win. Farce

He was already in contention.

[WS6TransAm01]

I’m sorry, I understand driver skill and better engineering but there is no way the Affirmative Action Champion is sailing past the other cars like they are glued to the track without cheating.

[Lesky]

At least try and fight it Carlos!

Sainz is the driver that has made it most easy for Lewis the last years, he has waved him past everytime as fast as he can!

[Greig]

maFIA helping out with no VSC for that one *shakes head*

Field spread out so can't clear the track under VSC

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hopefully Checo wrecks the cheating scum on the restart.

[ferrari1.8t]

He was already in contention.

Should have been VSC and you know it, stop defending Hamilton, it’s embarrassing. You’d think the owner of a ferrari site would care about keeping Schumacher’s record intact.

[Greig]

I’m sorry, I understand driver skill and better engineering but there is no way the Affirmative Action Champion is sailing past the other cars like they are glued to the track without cheating.

You sound like a McLaren fan in 2002 :-D

[Lesky]

This is laughable!!! LH is flying past other like they are in go karts

The problem is they built an engine that is mega quick but breaks down, and we have only 5 place grid drop, so they can use that to their advantage. If it was start from last they would be done.

But still Lewis just needs to put his pedal down and cruise past the others, its a farce, not a sport.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Only two cars were adrift. Just have the delta at 20 mph through that section.

[Greig]

Should have been VSC and you know it, stop defending Hamilton, it’s embarrassing.

No it needed full SC to clear the track, stop being stupid.

[Ferrari312T4]

Someone should explain to us how Hamilton is such faster even than bottas. Everytime the Mercedes are in a pickle they seem to be miraculously lightning fast.

[Lesky]

Perez should crash Hamilton out as payback for Hungary!

[ferrari1.8t]

Everytime the Mercedes are in a pickle they seem to be miraculously lightning fast.

Open the tap when needed.

[stefa]

Everytime the Mercedes are in a pickle they seem to be miraculously lightning fast.

Very strange coincidence....

[Tifoso Svedese]

Game over. Scumbags with an illegal car and engine. Ben Johnson juice.

[jgonzalesm6]

Nice battle Perez and Lewis.

[stefa]

Perez should crash Hamilton out as payback for Hungary!
:thumb

[tifosi1993]

Pace is not bad. keeping up with Bottas and Perez.

[DJTaurus]

Look at the stands. Everyone hates Hamilton. That never happened with Schumacher era.

[gump1480]

Why did Sainz go out on Mediums and not the Hards !!

[ferrari1.8t]

Look at the stands. Everyone hates Hamilton. That never happened with Schumacher era.

That’s because everyone knows about his shallow championships, unlimited help from the fia, and are tired of Merc dominance.

[458 Italia]

Oh.

[ferrari1.8t]

Pace is not bad. keeping up with Bottas and Perez.

Ya, definitely showing decent pace.

[stefa]

Why did Sainz go out on Mediums and not the Hards !!

Both cars are on M tires

[DJTaurus]

Drama incoming. Hamilton is gonna overtake inside track and he has to do it now before tyres go away.

[458 Italia]

I switched this race on for about a minute and that was enough for me. :rotfl Following the forum is enough for me.

[ferrari1.8t]

Drama incoming. Hamilton is gonna overtake inside track and he has to do it now before tyres go away.

Incoming crofty freak out…

[DJTaurus]

Guys are they gonna take a second pit stop ? It’s on the limit.

[ferrari1.8t]

Guys are they gonna take a second pit stop ? It’s on the limit.

Not sure, thats plenty laps to complete on that set

[gump1480]

Both cars are on M tires

Why have we committed to 2 stop so early !! Are we so bullish on our overtaking skills !! We are hardly able to match Gasly and Ric on Hards behind.

[patrese86]

Guys are they gonna take a second pit stop ? It’s on the limit.
Yeah the softs toward the end I imagine. Sainz did 24 laps on them yesterday

[458 Italia]

Over a second slower on Mediums compared to those in front on Hards lol.

[DJTaurus]

Yeah the softs toward the end I imagine. Sainz did 24 laps on them yesterday

The one who does first the undercut wins this it seems.

[tifosi1993]

Over a second slower on Mediums compared to those in front on Hards lol.

And faster than everyone else.

[Greig]

Guys are they gonna take a second pit stop ? It’s on the limit.

Yes both will need to stop again.

[458 Italia]

And faster than everyone else.

Yes, 2-8ths quicker. CL 1:13:989 CS 1:14:163

[DJTaurus]

Is Hamilton going till the end ?????

[ferrari1.8t]

Is Hamilton going till the end ?????

I think so. That whole message about new tires was fake…they pulled a dummy.

[ferrari1.8t]

Nevermind, he pitted.

[DJTaurus]

So they will fight inside the track.

[paolo lalli]

Any other car would have been passed by now by that steroid induced mercedes,that red bull is mighty.Ferrari doing a good job.

[DJTaurus]

I believe what we saw it was a brilliant strategy decision from red bull. They forced everyone else to follow and escaped the undercut.

[458 Italia]

1:12:135 that's just ridiculous.

[458 Italia]

Sorry 1:11:982 that's ridiculous.

[ferrari1.8t]

1:12:135 that's just ridiculous.

Completely legal :roll

[458 Italia]

Completely legal :roll

Nothing to see hear people!

[stefa]

Show him teeth MV!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Crofty crying for a Verstappen penalty. Hey crofty, your supposed to be unbiased. Idiot

[458 Italia]

They're gonna give a penalty

[tifosi1993]

Clear cut penalty.

[Ferrari312T4]

Ah the FIA eager to assist Hamilton again?

[tifosi1993]

Crofty crying for a Verstappen penalty. Hey crofty, your supposed to be unbiased. Idiot

And you're showing a quite a bit support for Red Bull. Strange.

[458 Italia]

Crofty crying for a Verstappen penalty. Hey crofty, your supposed to be unbiased. Idiot

Wouldn't expect anything else from him.

[stefa]

Do you think guys Ferrari will stop again?

[458 Italia]

Do you think guys Ferrari will stop again?

They have to.

[stefa]

They're gonna give a penalty

What for??!?!?

[tifosi1993]

Time for us to pit.

[458 Italia]

What for??!?!?

I dunno, upsetting hamilton?

[ntukza]

Completely legal :roll


Nothing to see hear people!

Of course. Only LH should ever be investigated according to our very own scuderia.net stewards.

I reckon Max is in trouble for that one, and he really shouldn't be taking such risks in the context of the championship.

[stefa]

DR DNF

[stefa]

I dunno, upsetting hamilton?

:lol

[ntukza]

Clear cut penalty.

I fear the same as well.

[ferrari1.8t]

And you're showing a quite a bit support for Red Bull. Strange.

Do I have to say this again? I’m a Ferrari fan, but we have no shot of beating RedBull or Merc this year. Anyone who can keep my hero Schumacher’s record safe is good by me. So yes, for this season in want RedBull to end this Merc dominance.

[458 Italia]

Of course. Only LH should ever be investigated according to our very own scuderia.net stewards.

I reckon Max is in trouble for that one, and he really shouldn't be taking such risks in the context of the championship.

Yeah ok we get it you like hamilton and mercedes. :roll I don't know if you've noticed but this forum is called "The Scuderia Net" and is a Ferrari supporting board.

[tifosi1993]

Pretty sure we can do 20 laps on hards. Ferrari again needlessly leaving out both Charles and Carlos.

[stefa]

Do I have to say this again? I’m a Ferrari fan, but we have no shot of beating RedBull or Merc this year. Anyone who can keep my hero Schumacher’s record safe is good by me. So yes, for this season in want RedBull to end this Merc dominance.

:clap:thumb

[tifosi1993]

And FINALLY Charles pits.

[elnano14]

18 laps for the Hard ?

[ntukza]

Wow! No investigation necessary. Thank goodness for that! I was wrong.

[jgonzalesm6]

Do I have to say this again? I’m a Ferrari fan, but we have no shot of beating RedBull or Merc this year. Anyone who can keep my hero Schumacher’s record safe is good by me. So yes, for this season in want RedBull to end this Merc dominance.

+1

[Greig]

Do I have to say this again? I’m a Ferrari fan, but we have no shot of beating RedBull or Merc this year. Anyone who can keep my hero Schumacher’s record safe is good by me. So yes, for this season in want RedBull to end this Merc dominance.

So you are a Schumacher fan then?

[paolo lalli]

Max has made the mistake he should not have.

[tifosi1993]

Do I have to say this again? I’m a Ferrari fan, but we have no shot of beating RedBull or Merc this year. Anyone who can keep my hero Schumacher’s record safe is good by me. So yes, for this season in want RedBull to end this Merc dominance.

It was a clear cut penalty. Doesn't matter whom you support.

[tifosi1993]

So you are a Schumacher fan then?

More than a Ferrari fan, certainly.

[SilverSpeed]

Taxis's whining against Masi haha.

[458 Italia]

So you are a Schumacher fan then?

And pray tell what would be wrong with that?

[jgonzalesm6]

It was a clear cut penalty. Doesn't matter whom you support.

No it was'nt.

[stefa]

5th and 6th, and only McLaren is in 11th place :-D

[Greig]

And pray tell what would be wrong with that?

??

[tifosi1993]

I hope both crash and take each other out. So Charles can finish on the podium.

[F2003GA]

La Ferrari is a Burn-Rubber car but without grip.

[tifosi1993]

No it was'nt.

For you, it wasn't, unsurprising.

[Greig]

I hope both crash and take each other out. So Charles can finish on the podium.

Mad Max has made it clear he will crash them out rather than lose the place :-D

[WS6TransAm01]

Sky is big mad about lack of penalty

[WS6TransAm01]

Mad Max has made it clear he will crash them out rather than lose the place :-D

Good.

[tifosi1993]

And Max got his Karma.

[stefa]

Mercedes is so damn fast

[Tifoso Svedese]

Protest that car immediately.

[ferrari1.8t]

So you are a Schumacher fan then?

lol keep grasping at straws Greig. Ferrari fan through and through. Schumacher got his records with us, call me selfish for wanting to keep them intact.

You don’t get it do you? With every race win, with every WCC Merc take, Ferrari lose more and more importance with F1. And what’s worse, it wasn’t done with honesty or merit, it was all scripted and forced.

[Greig]

lol keep grasping at straws Greig. Ferrari fan through and through. Schumacher got his records with us, call me selfish for wanting to keep them intact.

You don’t get it do you? With every race win, with every WCC Merc take, Ferrari lose more and more importance with F1. And what’s worse, it wasn’t done with honesty or merit, it was all scripted and forced.

Maybe you forget his 2 titles with Benetton?

[ntukza]

Inevitable. That was a mighty attempt by Max who was always not the favourite against the Merc this weekend.

[stefa]

lol keep grasping at straws Greig. Ferrari fan through and through. Schumacher got his records with us, call me selfish for wanting to keep them intact.

You don’t get it do you? With every race win, with every WCC Merc take, Ferrari lose more and more importance with F1. And what’s worse, it wasn’t done with honesty or merit, it was all scripted and forced.

Well said

[tifosi1993]

Oh well...I wanted both to take each other out.

[458 Italia]

lol keep grasping at straws Greig. Ferrari fan through and through. Schumacher got his records with us, call me selfish for wanting to keep them intact.

You don’t get it do you? With every race win, with every WCC Merc take, Ferrari lose more and more importance with F1. And what’s worse, it wasn’t done with honesty or merit, it was all scripted and forced.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, I think you're wasting your time trying to justify your position. Probably best to ignore it and move on.

[Ferrari312T4]

Go get him Valterri, we just secretly changed your engine mode

[Tifoso Svedese]

I just don't get why no driver ever has enough and just drives into the cheat. Maybe they're scared of being called a wingcist. After all, black wings matter.

[tifosi1993]

lol keep grasping at straws Greig. Ferrari fan through and through. Schumacher got his records with us, call me selfish for wanting to keep them intact.

You don’t get it do you? With every race win, with every WCC Merc take, Ferrari lose more and more importance with F1. And what’s worse, it wasn’t done with honesty or merit, it was all scripted and forced.

So much love for a ex-Mercedes driver. Atleast Schu had no problem driving for the silver team. But his fans seem to think Ferrari owns him some kind of eternal loyalty.

[DJTaurus]

Who favors the last 3 races ?

[Greig]

So much love for a ex-Mercedes driver. Atleast Schu had no problem driving for the silver team. But his fans seem to think Ferrari owns him some kind of eternal loyalty.

Toto etc say Michael created this dominance with the work he done at Mercedes.

[ferrari1.8t]

I mean this in the nicest possible way, I think you're wasting your time trying to justify your position. Probably best to ignore it and move on.

Thank you, I’m done. I’ve learned my lesson arguing with him in the past. Funny that I need to prove my love for Ferrari. Anyway, what can you do.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Führer Toto of course now that they've turned up the illegal engine.

[stefa]

I really thought that this track would suit Red Bell better than Mercedes....

[Tifoso Svedese]

Bashing our five-time WDC who's bed-ridden as a vegetable is a pretty low blow.

[Greig]

Thank you, I’m done. I’ve learned my lesson arguing with him in the past. Funny that I need to prove my love for Ferrari. Anyway, what can you do.

Who asked for proof? You don't want MS records beaten, nothing about Ferrari records being beaten says a lot to me though :-)

[Greig]

Bashing our five-time WDC who's bed-ridden as a vegetable is a pretty low blow.

Who bashed him? and your words are hardly very nice have some respect.

[DJTaurus]

Red bull should pit Perez for the fastest lap.

[tifosi1993]

Bashing our five-time WDC who's bed-ridden as a vegetable is a pretty low blow.

Get a dictionary and look up the word bash. I think your brain is a battered from all the tin foil theories you're spouting here.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Of course I'm having respect for Michael which is why I don't take Ferrari fans claiming 'he's a Merc plant' very kindly :-)

[Greig]

Of course I'm having respect for Michael which is why I don't take Ferrari fans claiming 'he's a Merc plant' very kindly :-)

Merc paid for him to get to F1? not sure what your having a problem with.

[458 Italia]

Who asked for proof? You don't want MS records beaten, nothing about Ferrari records being beaten says a lot to me though :-)

Come on Greig there's really no need for the continued goading of other posters because they don't share your opinion.

[458 Italia]

Oh sod it I'm just gonna stick to the Endurance racing section from now on.

[PURE PASSION]

Ι can't believe I came to a point ,supporting Max !!!!!
But in the end I'm pretty happy with our performance!!!!!!20+ secs to Gas and counting!!!!

[stefa]

Maybe too early but this 5th and 6th should cement Ferrari 3rd in CWC

[Greig]

Come on Greig there's really no need for the continued goading of other posters because they don't share your opinion.

Just pointing out that MS seems to come first....

[tifosi1993]

Of course I'm having respect for Michael which is why I don't take Ferrari fans claiming 'he's a Merc plant' very kindly :-)

Well it's a fact. He is an ex-Mercedes driver and had no problem moving out of the way of Vettel in Brazil 2012.

[stefa]

Just a thought... Every driver when comes to new teams is someones ex driver....

[Greig]

Good points haul for us today while McLaren had a poor race.

[Riccardog]

So Mercedes is smarting about the penalty because of being caught cheating on the rear wing, I can believe that, considering Merc, audi and VW cheated the european union for years on their road car emissions......

[Lesky]

Perez yet again to no help for Max. Holy heck how tough must it be for Max to do the impossible for so long only to lose out in the end.

[tifosi1993]

Very good pace. Absolutely smoked rest of the midfield. :thumb

[Lesky]

With hindsight Mclarens and Hondas struggles have given Merc another title, because of the only 5 grid place penalty for additional engine parts that Merc needs, Honda killing Honda! If that had not been changed Merc would have been toast!

[ntukza]

Perez yet again to no help for Max. Holy heck how tough must it be for Max to do the impossible for so long only to lose out in the end.

It was impossible for Max as well. It was just asking too much from them here.

[ntukza]

5 and 6 is the best we could possibly hope for. Well done Charles and Carlos.

[jgonzalesm6]

Well done Charles and Carlos.

[tifosi1993]

Overall, pretty good weekend.

Strategy was good. Pit stop was good. Pace was good.

As I've said before, we're lacking that extra 2-3 tenths. But the team made some great improvements this year.

[DJTaurus]

Even bottas was faster than Max. Maybe red bull should have also changed engine on that track where overtaking is so easy.

[Lesky]

Even bottas was faster than Max. Maybe red bull should have also changed engine on that track where overtaking is so easy.

They were 15 laps from winning, and the Honda engine does not drop off in performance like the Merc engine does, so before the spring that would have made no sense to do thinking Max would still win the race.

Now when they lost out you could make an argument. But Red Bull is saying they wont gain much performance at all from changing the engine, an absolutely nowhere near what Mercedes gains from it.

Had Red Bull changed engines Merc would have taken a 1-2 in the full race for sure.


The speed of Hamiltons car today, I have never seen anything like it.

[jgonzalesm6]

With Mercedes power advantage, they might as well take a new ICE unit every race from here on out.

They laugh at the 5 spot grid penalty......even 25 spots if you throw in a sprint race weekend.

I'm getting flashbacks of 2014 thru 2016. Man, Lewis's car was mega fast at Brazil.

[jgonzalesm6]

Race results of 71 laps

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1459954577059553283/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

I once said that Sainz should have re-thought his move to Ferrari......I take back what I said. Sainz made the right move given Ferrari's resurgence.

[nani_s23]

I once said that Sainz should have re-thought his move to Ferrari......I take back what I said. Sainz made the right move given Ferrari's resurgence.

I always thought he’s good at race craft. This year he’s showing quali pace too.
Hence I don’t rule him out next season if we have a good strong car.

On the other hand looking at Mercs engine, Ferrari should produce mega upgrade/jump in their engine performance.

[jgonzalesm6]

On the other hand looking at Mercs engine, Ferrari should produce mega upgrade/jump in their engine performance.

agreed. Merc's never show their cards......always with a sense of humility.....but when they need to turn it up.....BOOOOOOOM. Honda needs to go back to the drawing board too.

[paolo lalli]

It was ferrari who pushed mercedes,the ferrari 2019 engine was so good they they scared the **** out of mercedes the fia and any other ding bat associated with the f1 circus so they had it declared illegal .Well the rebirth of that engine I suspect is hidden in the DNA of next years engine stay tuned.

[jgonzalesm6]

It was ferrari who pushed mercedes,the ferrari 2019 engine was so good they they scared the **** out of mercedes .

yep, I read that too.

[Greig]

Lewis summoned to stewards for taking his seat belt off when getting the flag.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis summoned to stewards for taking his seat belt off when getting the flag.

He's done that before......nothing will happen.

[jgonzalesm6]

Updated Constructors' standings:

1. Mercedes - 521.5 pts
2. Red Bull - 510.5 pts
3. Ferrari - 287.5 pts
4. McLaren - 256 pts
5. Alpine - 112 pts
6. AlphaTauri - 112 pts
7. Aston Martin - 68 pts
8. Williams - 23 pts
9. Alfa Romeo - 11 pts
10. Haas - 0 pts



Updated drivers standings


1. Verstappen - 332.5 pts
2. Hamilton - 318.5 pts
3. Bottas - 203 pts
4. Perez - 178 pts
5. Norris - 151 pts
6. Leclerc - 148 pts
7. Sainz - 139.5 pts
8. Ricciardo - 105 pts
9. Gasly - 92 pts
10. Alonso - 62 pts

[WS6TransAm01]

It’s sad to see how much of a farce this sport has become.

It no better than WWE.

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis hit with a $5000 fine....big deal.

[PURE PASSION]

I gutted of how people try to praise Hams drive!!!!! I mean, he made EVERY pass by DRS on the fastest car by far with that new engine, on a track where so many overtakes where made!!!!!! I mean these guys don't think that in that car (Hams Merc) Max and Lec couldn't do the same????!!!!
What I'm saying is that ,truly and sincerely I haven't really see Lewis delivering a masterclass of a drive (like so many people claiming about today) with non dominant / hard to drive car. I didn't see that masterclass drive from him last race where RedBull where clearly faster. He end up more then 15s behind!!!!.WHAT I want to say is that for me today's race was NOT something special from him!!! He just took advantage of the most powerful and fastest car of the grid on a track that you can use it easily. We saw many other drivers making overtakes on others if their car was a dirt faster or on better tires,they could easily pass.

[Redfive]

You'll never convince me that Merc engine is legit. I mean the way he cruised passed people even without DRS was astounding.
The last tracks will suit Merc and with that engine, the titles are both gone now.

I think I'll go into hibernation for the next 6-7 months to avoid the imminent flood of "GOAT" nonsense.

I am hoping with my whole being that Ferrari can challenge for the titles in 2022. if after testing next year, the things seem the same.. well, I might just walk from the sport. it's getting harder and harder to be a fan with all the Merc bias.

[ntukza]

I gutted of how people try to praise Hams drive!!!!! I mean, he made EVERY pass by DRS on the fastest car by far with that new engine, on a track where so many overtakes where made!!!!!! I mean these guys don't think that in that car (Hams Merc) Max and Lec couldn't do the same????!!!!
What I'm saying is that ,truly and sincerely I haven't really see Lewis delivering a masterclass of a drive (like so many people claiming about today) with non dominant / hard to drive car. I didn't see that masterclass drive from him last race where RedBull where clearly faster. He end up more then 15s behind!!!!.WHAT I want to say is that for me today's race was NOT something special from him!!! He just took advantage of the most powerful and fastest car of the grid on a track that you can use it easily. We saw many other drivers making overtakes on others if their car was a dirt faster or on better tires,they could easily pass.

Well we can expect that from the Merc, but what strikes me the most is how bad Bottas looks alongside LH. They have the same car yet Bottas is caught and left in the dust by LH starting in 10th!

[stefa]

It’s sad to see how much of a farce this sport has become.

It no better than WWE.

:clap

[PURE PASSION]

Well we can expect that from the Merc, but what strikes me the most is how bad Bottas looks alongside LH. They have the same car yet Bottas is caught and left in the dust by LH starting in 10th!

Same car NOT the same engine !!!!!!

[Brembo]

Same car NOT the same engine !!!!!!

Same car NOT the same driver !!!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Norris 151
Leclerc 148
Sainz 139.5

With some luck, we could actually get both drivers inside the top six unless McLaren have a major resurgence in the Arabian races. I'd say we're likely to at least grab P5 in the drivers' championship.

[JacKy]

Hamilton’s car is pure ********. It was like %25 AI difficulty in a F1 game.

If engine matters that much , max wouldnt win back in 2019 with much powerless engine. So what ever they’ve done with car is not just a New engine. That car is not legal

[FerrariF60]

did we ever stop and think about this Merc rocket for a second???
maybe they've had this power advantage since the beginnign of the season, and for the goof of the sport, make it more interesting, they've let red bull win races and think they actually have the upper hand...

all this reliability issues Merc were claiming were prolly just utter ****, and they know they have a rocket on their hands, hence taking engine penalties, run the engine to the MAX and carve through the field with a lot of ease....

i'm willing to bet that Hamster will prolly win the next 3 races......win the WDC and make it look that he and Merc team had to work so hard day and night to turn things around....

when all along they had the upper hand and just wanted for us viewers ( and red bull) to think that red bull is actually much better then them....when in fact....well we know what the truth is....

2022 cannot come fast enough....but if Ferrari nor red bull honda can't build a better engine then Merc....we're gonna look at another 4-5 years of Merc dominance....and FRANKLY I'VE HAD IT.....

[20000rpm]

Didn't bother watching the entire race once it become evident Ham was going to have it easy with the upgraded ICE. Seems like they have brought back the "party mode" to the race which was, hitherto, used only in qualifying. I don't know how Valteri fared yesterday but I am only guessing he was not given the same spec engine as Ham. Seems like this will go to the wire.
While no fan of RB, I believe they had their best shot towards WCC and WDC with Honda package this year. Too bad, Honda will be leaving F1 and RB won't be having access to same resources as they have now, unlike Mercedes.

[Toothlessrage*]

As with Vettel, I don't like Hamilton but I respect him.

Though Hamilton is quick, I've NEVER seen a car go that fast through the competition this weekend.

After watching the sprint Quali, I had a feeling Hamilton and Mercedes would probably have it easy this weekend.

But, I'm sure that speed wasn't natural.

[Toothlessrage*]

Same car NOT the same driver !!!

"Same car NOT the same engine!!!!!!"

I second this. That speed during the sprint quali and the race wasn't natural.

I know you're a troll, but still, it was quite evident.

[Toothlessrage*]

Well we can expect that from the Merc, but what strikes me the most is how bad Bottas looks alongside LH. They have the same car yet Bottas is caught and left in the dust by LH starting in 10th!

Usually, the No. 2 driver's car is a bit different from the No. 1.
It's always been this way.

[RicRac]

Mercedes may as well take a new Engine at every track from here on. Qualify 1st, take the 5 place penalty, pass 2 F1.5 cars, Bottas let's Ham through, breeze past the 2 RBR's and win the championship all while improving the engine for next year. The Engine penalty format at the moment is an absolute farce and should be addressed at the soonest. 5 places for a change is a joke

[PURE PASSION]

did we ever stop and think about this Merc rocket for a second???
maybe they've had this power advantage since the beginnign of the season, and for the goof of the sport, make it more interesting, they've let red bull win races and think they actually have the upper hand...

all this reliability issues Merc were claiming were prolly just utter ****, and they know they have a rocket on their hands, hence taking engine penalties, run the engine to the MAX and carve through the field with a lot of ease....

i'm willing to bet that Hamster will prolly win the next 3 races......win the WDC and make it look that he and Merc team had to work so hard day and night to turn things around....

when all along they had the upper hand and just wanted for us viewers ( and red bull) to think that red bull is actually much better then them....when in fact....well we know what the truth is....

2022 cannot come fast enough....but if Ferrari nor red bull honda can't build a better engine then Merc....we're gonna look at another 4-5 years of Merc dominance....and FRANKLY I'VE HAD IT.....

And not just this. IF he managed this all his fans,/British media gonna crowd him the undisputed GOAT ,the absolute GOD of F1.And they will downside everything else happend till now and everything will happen in the near future at least!!!!!!:furious

[KimiBot]

did we ever stop and think about this Merc rocket for a second???
maybe they've had this power advantage since the beginnign of the season, and for the goof of the sport, make it more interesting, they've let red bull win races and think they actually have the upper hand...

all this reliability issues Merc were claiming were prolly just utter ****, and they know they have a rocket on their hands, hence taking engine penalties, run the engine to the MAX and carve through the field with a lot of ease....

i'm willing to bet that Hamster will prolly win the next 3 races......win the WDC and make it look that he and Merc team had to work so hard day and night to turn things around....

when all along they had the upper hand and just wanted for us viewers ( and red bull) to think that red bull is actually much better then them....when in fact....well we know what the truth is....

2022 cannot come fast enough....but if Ferrari nor red bull honda can't build a better engine then Merc....we're gonna look at another 4-5 years of Merc dominance....and FRANKLY I'VE HAD IT.....

Yes, 4-5 years watching this same what we have been watching 8 years all ready, maybe have to start to look Formula E, lol.
Maybe if I start betting, Hamilton wins only, so maybe he start to lose.:-D I dont know, this has just been extremely boring time to follow F1.

[PURE PASSION]

I think all this moaning about their reliability issues was a well planned trick.It simply allowed them to make some changes on their engines! Why we never have watched this kind and power/speed superiority from his excellence, this year in any other track with his previous new engines????!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes: what does Hamilton's super-engine have more?

Lewis unmarked a fresh 6-cylinder in Brazil: the fifth engine of the season, which cost him five positions on the starting grid in São Paulo, allowed him the best time in qualifying and an amazing comeback in Sprint Qualifying. It is a unit identical to the homologated ones, but configured to take some aspects to extremes such as the pressure in the combustion chamber, having a life of only four GPs.


What super-engine did Lewis Hamilton ride for the Sao Paulo GP? The question is
legitimate, given that the F1 regulation does not allow for any changes in the season, unless, as in the case of the Ferrari hybrid, some component of the power unit has not been evolved before the FIA was frozen at the start of the championship.

Furthermore, the International Federation gradually authorizes the Manufacturers to carry out modifications on the engines if these are functional not to increase performance, but reliability.

Taking the words of Toto Wolff right, according to which frequent engine replacements are decided not so much for breakdowns, but for premature aging: a greater loss of power than expected from one GP to another.

Valtteri Bottas has managed to unmark six thermal units (double compared to last year!), While Lewis Hamilton has come to count five in Brazil, in the extreme attempt to reopen the games of a world that seems very directed towards Max Verstappen and the Red Bull.

In qualifying, the hepta-champion trimmed 438 thousandths to the world leader, a huge gap in a season that is usually played on hundredths, if not thousandths.

The evil ones had thought that the gap was due to the more open rear wing, then sanctioned by the FIA, but Lewis' resounding comeback from the last position of the Sprint Qualifying grid to fifth place at the checkered flag, says a lot about the fact that the decisive resource was the engine, since the profiles with which the English raced were obviously very legal.

And, then, one wonders what more does Hamilton's super-engine have than Bottas's? The Finnish sixth 6-cylinder F1 M12 E Performance homologated it in Austin, just three GPs ago and has a five unit that is still useful in rotations.


The Sprint Qualifying gives us a figure that is impressive: Lewis Hamilton went to 339.0 km / h at the speed trap of the race, while Valtteri Bottas did not go beyond 303.2 km / h, with Max Verstappen reaching 317. , 3 km / h.

It may be that the Finn detached earlier, given that he was in the lead to defend the position from the Dutchman and certainly Valtteri never used a slipstream, so he never opened the DRS, while Lewis was always ready to take advantage of the suction of who preceded him in the long climb that leads to the finish straight, but the 35.8 km / h difference makes an impression.


The figure is an example of a situation that is before everyone's eyes: Hamilton put all his immense talent into exploiting a W12 which, however, enabled him to… fly.

Hywel Thomas, chief engineer of Brixworth, has prepared an engine 5 for Lewis which must have a life of 2,500 km compared to the 7,000 that normally are required for the resolution of a "standard" power unit. Not being able to change the characteristics of the approved engine components, the Stella engineers worked to take the management strategies of this unit to extremes.

In addition to pushing the turbo, they intervened on the pressure in the combustion chamber: creating a deadly combo that can be worth over 15 horsepower in search of a pole position or a successful overtaking.

If Verstappen were to open the gap to at least 25 points, the equivalent of a retirement, we would not be surprised at all if in Doha it was Red Bull to focus on an engine 5 to have a fresh unit for the last race in Abu Dhabi and don't get to the grand finale with a deflated power unit ...

https://it-motorsport-com.translate.goog/f1/news/f1-mercedes-cosa-ha-in-piu-il-super-motore-di-hamilton/6780713/?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc

[wisepie]

Overall, pretty good weekend.

Strategy was good. Pit stop was good. Pace was good.

As I've said before, we're lacking that extra 2-3 tenths. But the team made some great improvements this year.

Agreed, and Charles went for it at the start, Carlos lucky not to suffer after Lando's attack on him, as for the HAM/VER fight, anything to stop HAM's title aspirations is a bonus and his Merc's speed is suspicious in the extreme. Good job by our boys, drivers and team.

[jgonzalesm6]

For you, it wasn't, unsurprising.

At least Max did'nt send Lewis into the wall at a high rate of speed.....[cough] [cough] like Silverstone.

It was good racing between the both of them into T4.

[Hornet]

I think Merc may have outsmart the competition by taking an extra engine that can be tuned for more performance

As we saw, the 5 place penalty meant nothing when the performance advantage was that huge.

Unless FIA do something about it next year, taking engine penalty will be a huge part of the championship strategy, completely defeating the purpose of the engine limit :doh

[Warp]

I think Merc may have outsmart the competition by taking an extra engine that can be tuned for more performance

As we saw, the 5 place penalty meant nothing when the performance advantage was that huge.

Unless FIA do something about it next year, taking engine penalty will be a huge part of the championship strategy, completely defeating the purpose of the engine limit :doh

Watch Mercedes fixing their degrading issues next year and having a 20BHP advantage.

[ferrari1.8t]

Watch Mercedes fixing their degrading issues next year and having a 20BHP advantage.

If Mercedes continue this illegal dominance next year with the locked-in new regulations; all of the other manufacturers might as well pull out of F1. What would be the point of competing knowing you have 0 chance for 5 years? Only to waste resources and be embarrassed the whole time.

[ferrari1.8t]

And not just this. IF he managed this all his fans,/British media gonna crowd him the undisputed GOAT ,the absolute GOD of F1.And they will downside everything else happend till now and everything will happen in the near future at least!!!!!!:furious

I feel the same way…I don’t want to hear about Hamilton-the-great for the next 20-30 years. That’s all we have heard about for the last 8 and I’m tired of it. There is more to F1 than Hamilton and Mercedes. He’s no goat and he’s no god; it doesn’t take much skill to pass 15 cars when you are driving a rocket ship + DRS. He’s a mediocre driver with a bad attitude who was lucky enough to join a cheating team with a stronghold on the regulations, rules, decision making and tire specifications. I have had enough.

[ntukza]

Mercedes: what does Hamilton's super-engine have more?

Lewis unmarked a fresh 6-cylinder in Brazil: the fifth engine of the season, which cost him five positions on the starting grid in São Paulo, allowed him the best time in qualifying and an amazing comeback in Sprint Qualifying. It is a unit identical to the homologated ones, but configured to take some aspects to extremes such as the pressure in the combustion chamber, having a life of only four GPs........

https://it-motorsport-com.translate.goog/f1/news/f1-mercedes-cosa-ha-in-piu-il-super-motore-di-hamilton/6780713/?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc

If this is true, it is very unfortunate. Hopefully the engine degrades super-fast as well. But of course, they'll just change it for one that only lasts one race at the end.

[RicRac]

Hopefully if we are far enough ahead of McLaren in the closing stages, Ferrari play the same game and bring an update for the Ferrari engine. May as well make it more reliable while we still can

[aroutis]

A question that should be risen is that the rules stipulate that an engine should last for 4 races. And yes there is the whole drop 5 grid positions and all , but is the penalty justify the benefit that team (or any) gets?
If not, FiA should interfere... I know I know.. good luck.

[Greig]

Even making Lewis start from the back would not be that great a punishment, maybe half points if you take a new engine?

[Toothlessrage*]

Maximum Speed data from 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix (STRANGE)

7889

[Warp]

Maximum Speed data from 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix (STRANGE)

7889

Top speeds are not saying anything. Leclerc had the highest top speed in SPA in 2020. Same race we were sitting ducks at the straight.

[jgonzalesm6]

Max's on-board iinto T4 with Lewis.

https://twitter.com/ESPNF1/status/1460588876364460040

[jgonzalesm6]

Telemetry graph comparison. Look at Lewis's speed!!!!

https://twitter.com/PacificSimGP/status/1460151185378197507

[tifosi1993]

At least Max did'nt send Lewis into the wall at a high rate of speed.....[cough] [cough] like Silverstone.

It was good racing between the both of them into T4.

well Max got a nice little payback at Silverstone. And you can't always expect your favorite Max to be one who sends other drivers into the wall or drives them off the track, sometimes others will play the same game. As Charles did in Silverstone 2019.

You don't need to shade your tears for Max because both Horner and Marko do that job quite well.

[Greig]

Max's on-board iinto T4 with Lewis.

https://twitter.com/ESPNF1/status/1460588876364460040

He made no effort to make that corner, lucky to get away with that. Wonder if the FIA will look at it again though.

[tifosi1993]

He made no effort to make that corner, lucky to get away with that. Wonder if the FIA will look at it again though.

But according to some mentally stable individuals here, Mercedes is running the FIA, then why wouldn't they look at it? :lol

Max's move on Hamilton is similar to Perez's move on Charles at Austria, maybe even worse. But Perez got penalty for that while Max didn't even get a single penalty point.

Red Bull change the entire back end of Max's car under Perc Ferme and Max got no penalties. Talk about entitlement.

[jgonzalesm6]

I'm sorry, but Mercedes has had the majority (not "ALL") of the benefits this season and many seasons before.

Also, I'm pretty sure a "mentally stable" person such as yourself would look through your crystal ball and understand that just because a few people have a differing opinion on a matter we don't have to resort to petty passive-aggressive retorts do we?

We could just agree to disagree.

+1

[jgonzalesm6]

Red Bull change the entire back end of Max's car under Perc Ferme and Max got no penalties. Talk about entitlement.

What was the reason for that "change the ENTIRE(????:-E) back end of Max's car under Parc Ferme and Max got no penalties" for???

[Toothlessrage*]

But according to some mentally stable individuals here, Mercedes is running the FIA, then why wouldn't they look at it? :lol

Max's move on Hamilton is similar to Perez's move on Charles at Austria, maybe even worse. But Perez got penalty for that while Max didn't even get a single penalty point.

Red Bull change the entire back end of Max's car under Perc Ferme and Max got no penalties. Talk about entitlement.

I'm sorry, but Mercedes has had the majority (not "ALL") of the benefits this season and many seasons before.

Also, I'm pretty sure a "mentally stable" person such as yourself would look through your crystal ball and understand that just because a few people have a differing opinion on a matter we don't have to resort to petty passive-aggressive retorts do we?

We could just agree to disagree.

[Greig]

Merc have requested the incident be reviewed now they have seen this footage :rotfl

[Hornet]

Even making Lewis start from the back would not be that great a punishment, maybe half points if you take a new engine?

This might actually work.
Wouldn't surprise me if the FIA starts implementing points penalty, once it becomes clear that the big teams are using it as a performance booster rather than reliability issue

[tifosi1993]

I'm sorry, but Mercedes has had the majority (not "ALL") of the benefits this season and many seasons before.

Also, I'm pretty sure a "mentally stable" person such as yourself would look through your crystal ball and understand that just because a few people have a differing opinion on a matter we don't have to resort to petty passive-aggressive retorts do we?

We could just agree to disagree.

Well since you felt that you had to respond to my post and had to highlight the "mentally stable" bit, I guess I've heat a nerve. And it's funny really, people such as yourself who're spouting tin-foil hat theory accessing others of looking at crystal ball.

But I get it, back in the days of Ferrari domination, people used to call FIA the "Ferrari-International-Assistance". Now it's "MA-FIA", it will become "F.I.A" again etc etc.

For a Ferrari fan, Mercedes-Red Bull battle should be entertaining. I quite like it when both Mercedes and Red Bull implode. But it seems that this forum has some die hard Verstappen-Red Bull fans here who are heavily invested in Max being the next WDC. Which is the last thing anyone would expect in a Ferrari Fan Forum.

[tifosi1993]

Merc have requested the incident be reviewed now they have seen this footage :rotfl

*Grabs Popcorn*

The pettiness is unreal. I hope both Mercedes and Red Bull continue to implode and keep on providing us some juicy entertainment.

[jgonzalesm6]

Well since you felt that you had to respond to my post and had to highlight the "mentally stable" bit, I guess I've heat a nerve. And it's funny really, people such as yourself who're spouting tin-foil hat theory accessing others of looking at crystal ball.

But I get it, back in the days of Ferrari domination, people used to call FIA the "Ferrari-International-Assistance". Now it's "MA-FIA", it will become "F.I.A" again etc etc.

For a Ferrari fan, Mercedes-Red Bull battle should be entertaining. I quite like it when both Mercedes and Red Bull implode. But it seems that this forum has some die hard Verstappen-Red Bull fans here who are heavily invested in Max being the next WDC. Which is the last thing anyone would expect in a Ferrari Fan Forum.

I'm sure there are many tifosi, to include myself, whom would love to see Lewis de-throne by Max......whom seem to be the only person and team to do it.

As much as everyone would love to see Ferrar and Leclerc/Sainz do it.....it's just not going to happen in 2021.

Most do give praise to Ferrari for their progression....but there is a long way to go for Ferrari to match Mercedes and a little ways to go to match RedBull.

[jgonzalesm6]

This whole turbo-hybrid era to include the component allocation allotment was for RELIABILITY.

Mercedes has thrown this narrative out the window. Its WIN AT ALL COSTS!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

well Max got a nice little payback at Silverstone. And you can't always expect your favorite Max to be one who sends other drivers into the wall or drives them off the track, sometimes others will play the same game. As Charles did in Silverstone 2019.

You don't need to shade your tears for Max because both Horner and Marko do that job quite well.

Did'nt Lewis drive Perez into the Pit Lane entry at Turkey 2021???? Whether it's Max or Lewis or anyone else, it was good hard racing in Turkey 2021 and good hard racing in Brazil 2021.

[PURE PASSION]

I'm sure there are many tifosi, to include myself, whom would love to see Lewis de-throne by Max......whom seem to be the only person and team to do it.

As much as everyone would love to see Ferrar and Leclerc/Sainz do it.....it's just not going to happen in 2021.

Most do give praise to Ferrari for their progression....but there is a long way to go for Ferrari to match Mercedes and a little ways to go to match RedBull.
iI can agree with you on this !!!! Although i dont like Max almost at all , i consider him the nemesis of Lec ( it was like this from their cart days ) , right now the most important thing ,since we are not in a possision to do anything right now, is NOT to win another champioship Ham/Merc !!!!!!!So i have come to point ,that till last year i would swear i will nexer do it, chearing for Max !!!!Yes ,right now I'm 100% with Max / RBR winning the champioships !!!!From next year i really hope that Charles can teach him a lesson or two !!!!!

[Toothlessrage*]

Well since you felt that you had to respond to my post and had to highlight the "mentally stable" bit, I guess I've heat a nerve. And it's funny really, people such as yourself who're spouting tin-foil hat theory accessing others of looking at crystal ball.

Like I said, everyone has an opinion. Even you.
You aren't any different. You are biased like every one of us.
Is being polite so hard for people such as yourself?
Also, "hit a nerve"? HAH!:rotfl


For a Ferrari fan, Mercedes-Red Bull battle should be entertaining. I quite like it when both Mercedes and Red Bull implode. But it seems that this forum has some die hard Verstappen-Red Bull fans here who are heavily invested in Max being the next WDC. Which is the last thing anyone would expect in a Ferrari Fan Forum.

Like you, I've been a fan of F1 for a long time (considering my age).
Am I a Tifosi? Yes, absolutely. I will never deny it. I am biased too.
But, I do like there being different faces representing our sport from time to time.

In the case of Hamilton, when hasn't he had a dominant car since 2014?
There are multiple instances where rules were bent to the needs of Mercedes.
I'm not denying Mercedes is a great team, they are up there as one of the best!

But, it's getting a bit stale.
As it was decided for 2005, to end the Schumacher-Ferrari dominance.
I'm not going to lie, Hamilton is a better overall pilot than Verstappen.
But, if you did ask most fans of our sport, they'd be rooting for RBR and Max (even if they didn't like either).

[tifosi1993]

Like I said, everyone has an opinion. Even you.
You aren't any different. You are biased like every one of us.
Is being polite so hard for people such as yourself?
Also, "hit a nerve"? HAH!:rotfl



Like you, I've been a fan of F1 for a long time (considering my age).
Am I a Tifosi? Yes, absolutely. I will never deny it. I am biased too.
But, I do like there being different faces representing our sport from time to time.

In the case of Hamilton, when hasn't he had a dominant car since 2014?
There are multiple instances where rules were bent to the needs of Mercedes.
I'm not denying Mercedes is a great team, they are up there as one of the best!

But, it's getting a bit stale.
As it was decided for 2005, to end the Schumacher-Ferrari dominance.
I'm not going to lie, Hamilton is a better overall pilot than Verstappen.
But, if you did ask most fans of our sport, they'd be rooting for RBR and Max (even if they didn't like either).

Really, you don't need not waste so many words to justify your preferences. This is internet, everyone can have their opinions. But reading the same old conspiracy theory time after time is getting quite boring.
This place used to be great. But pretty much all the old guards have left, the very few of us try to keep the discussion going without resorting to conspiracy and other abhorrent theories. Hell, some people here were even wishing for Ham's death, so yeah, the hate for Ham and the love for Max is getting quite tiresome. I don't care about either of those two, who ever wins will fully deserve it, but I don't see any reason for me to waste my time worrying about Max.

Also according to Charles, Ham has gone over his machine's limitation at Brazil. So what now, are you going to hate on Charles as well? Since he's saying nice things about Ham?

And every champions had dominant car. It's laughable to suggest that Ferrari had only won because of Schumacher. Cars like F2002 or F2004 were dream machines. Same thing with Hamilton, he delivered when he had the dominant car, just like Schumacher.

And you're not the president of F1 fans or speak for the majority. I mean Ham got a huge reception at Brazil and Max got booed, and Brazil's population is several times bigger than Netherland. So don't pretend to be "the voice of majority".

[ntukza]

Did'nt Lewis drive Perez into the Pit Lane entry at Turkey 2021???? Whether it's Max or Lewis or anyone else, it was good hard racing in Turkey 2021 and good hard racing in Brazil 2021.

Mazepin as well did it a number of times in F2 last year. Good hard racing.

[ntukza]

Merc have requested the incident be reviewed now they have seen this footage :rotfl

I'd be surprised if the decision is not overturned.

[Cavallino]

Mazepin as well did it a number of times in F2 last year. Good hard racing.

Yeah, but Perez also did it to Leclerc and got a penalty for it in Austria. And Norris did it to Perez in Austria and got a penalty.

That's the problem with having penalties, i'm not sure it's possible to be consitant, but the FIA has definitely not been consistent.

[Toothlessrage*]

Really, you don't need not waste so many words to justify your preferences. This is internet, everyone can have their opinions. But reading the same old conspiracy theory time after time is getting quite boring.
This place used to be great. But pretty much all the old guards have left, the very few of us try to keep the discussion going without resorting to conspiracy and other abhorrent theories. Hell, some people here were even wishing for Ham's death, so yeah, the hate for Ham and the love for Max is getting quite tiresome. I don't care about either of those two, who ever wins will fully deserve it, but I don't see any reason for me to waste my time worrying about Max.

Also according to Charles, Ham has gone over his machine's limitation at Brazil. So what now, are you going to hate on Charles as well? Since he's saying nice things about Ham?

And every champions had dominant car. It's laughable to suggest that Ferrari had only won because of Schumacher. Cars like F2002 or F2004 were dream machines. Same thing with Hamilton, he delivered when he had the dominant car, just like Schumacher.

And you're not the president of F1 fans or speak for the majority. I mean Ham got a huge reception at Brazil and Max got booed, and Brazil's population is several times bigger than Netherland. So don't pretend to be "the voice of majority".



Well, at least you figured out what an opinion is in the first half of your odyssey.

You could just ignore stuff that annoys you? As you said, this is the internet.

“Death threats” to Hamilton? Well, I hope they were reported and booted from the forum.


NOTE:

FIRST: I do think highly of Hamilton. He’s the only one in the grid to have actual championship caliber (experience) battling it out with the top talent of each era. In fact, I think if they were put head-to-head in the same machinery, Max (including most of the grid) would get his a** handed to him.

SECOND: I never did mention Ferrari’s success was only down to Schumacher. It’s always a combination of factors. But, I maintain Jean Todt was the architect behind it all.

THIRD: Wow, I never knew all of Brazil’s F1 fan population could fit into the stands of San Paolo.
Barbs aside, when I mentioned: “But, if you did ask most fans of our sport, they'd be rooting for RBR and Max (even if they didn't like either).”
I was quoting the result of surveys:

https://racingnews365.com/new-f1-survey-who-are-formula-1s-most-popular-drivers-and-teams

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.new-global-fan-survey-reveals-f1s-most-popular-team-and-driver.2evqTWEPsWYeBlw9vmSyBs.html


Well, anyways.
If you want to carry on this argument, be my guest.
The point I was trying to make was: try being polite.
This is one of the very few places anyone would get to voice an opinion without getting mugged.
Have a good day.

[tifosi1993]

Yeah, accusing another member of being a "troll", just because you don't like his opinions, is being polite I guess.

As I've said before, you felt the need to respond to my post, which wasn't even directed towards you. And now you have written two long paragraphs without saying anything.

BTW, the number 167,302 isn't even 1 percent of F1's global fan base. Hell, UK alone had over 2 million concurrent viewers when Bahrain GP aired. For those 0.1% people, Mclaren is the most popular team and Verstappen is the most popular driver.

[20000rpm]

This video aptly describes Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes in Brazil..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRf6BHbk6Ec

[Toothlessrage*]

Yeah, accusing another member of being a "troll", just because you don't like his opinions, is being polite I guess.

As I've said before, you felt the need to respond to my post, which wasn't even directed towards you. And now you have written two long paragraphs without saying anything.

BTW, the number 167,302 isn't even 1 percent of F1's global fan base. Hell, UK alone had over 2 million concurrent viewers when Bahrain GP aired. For those 0.1% people, Mclaren is the most popular team and Verstappen is the most popular driver.

Man, you're exhausting.

[tifosi1993]

Man, you're exhausting.

Do some cardio.

[Toothlessrage*]

Do some cardio.

:lol :lol :lol

[stefa]

This video aptly describes Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes in Brazil..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRf6BHbk6Ec

So that, and thought about posting it here. Thank you!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

This video aptly describes Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes in Brazil..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRf6BHbk6Ec

:rotfl

[aroutis]

Yeah, accusing another member of being a "troll", just because you don't like his opinions, is being polite I guess.

As I've said before, you felt the need to respond to my post, which wasn't even directed towards you. And now you have written two long paragraphs without saying anything.

BTW, the number 167,302 isn't even 1 percent of F1's global fan base. Hell, UK alone had over 2 million concurrent viewers when Bahrain GP aired. For those 0.1% people, Mclaren is the most popular team and Verstappen is the most popular driver.

Clearly you don't know how statistics work, do you?

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=tifosi1993;1050466]Yeah, accusing another member of being a "troll", just because you don't like his opinions, is being polite I guess.

I hope I don't lose my GOATrolls !!!! :rotfl

[tifosi1993]

Clearly you don't know how statistics work, do you?

Clearly you don't know what statistics is, do you?