2021 Grand Prix of Qatar - Practice & Qualifying

[tifosi1993]

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[tifosi1993]

High Downforce Config:

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[Toothlessrage*]

Latest Ferrari technical developments from Losail | 2021 Qatar GP

URL: https://scuderiafans.com/in-pictures-latest-ferrari-technical-developments-from-losail-2021-qatar-gp/

[killer]

Track limits in the air thus far. Am I correct in understanding that the FIA have yet to decide on track limits here?

[PURE PASSION]

Track limits in the air thus far. Am I correct in understanding that the FIA have yet to decide on track limits here?

They said they letting the times as they are for the time being, just for the drivers to find their footsteps!!! After the end of fp1 they will delete the times

[PURE PASSION]

AlphaTauris looking pretty strong. And McLarens might also be faster then us.This track doesn't look to suit us well!!!We might end up 4th-5th best!!

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/eACJDSy.jpg

[tifosi1993]

AlphaTauris looking pretty strong. And McLarens might also be faster then us.This track doesn't look to suit us well!!!We might end up 4th-5th best!!

This is just FP1 and the conditions aren't representative. The qualifying and the race will be held at night and temperature will be cooler.

Also both Ferraris have improved their time towards the very end of the session, on 13 laps older softs. So not representative at all and shouldn't read too much into FP1 times.

[patrese86]

Never raced round here so just wait and see how we develop over the weekend. It's pretty dusty though.

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes request to the right of review has been denied.

[tifosi1993]

So the FIA has set the precedent. F1 drivers are allowed to push their competitors off the track completely.

Charles had already said that he will adjust his driving style based on the Ham-Ver verdict. And now it has been delivered. I'm sure Carlos will do the same as well.

Now I want both our Ferrari boys to be aggressive and not give their competitors an inch. Just forget about racing line.

[Toothlessrage*]

So the FIA has set the precedent. F1 drivers are allowed to push their competitors off the track completely.

Charles had already said that he will adjust his driving style based on the Ham-Ver verdict. And now it has been delivered. I'm sure Carlos will do the same as well.

Now I want both our Ferrari boys to be aggressive and not give their competitors an inch. Just forget about racing line.

Charles Leclerc to adjust approach to battling other cars if Verstappen move goes unpunished

URL: https://scuderiafans.com/charles-leclerc-to-adjust-approach-to-battling-other-cars-if-verstappen-move-goes-unpunished/

Well, I guess Charles heard you :-D

[tifosi1993]

Charles Leclerc to adjust approach to battling other cars if Verstappen move goes unpunished

URL: https://scuderiafans.com/charles-leclerc-to-adjust-approach-to-battling-other-cars-if-verstappen-move-goes-unpunished/

Well, I guess Charles heard you :-D

Just like Brazil 2021, Austria 2019 was a clear cut penalty. But since Max is allowed to push other people off the track in the name of "hard but fair" racing, others should be allowed as well. And the precedent has already been set by today's verdict.

From now on, I want both Charles and Carlos to strictly follow Max Verstappen school of "hard but fair" racing.

[Silent Bob]

Carlos was right. Bring back sand traps. problem solved.

[PURE PASSION]

Not looking good. Just saying from what we are watching right now .
what is worring me is that no matter what we do,in what tires we doesnt look competitive AT ALL !!!!
And as it looks ,in these conditions (as it will be in Qualy) is even worsen!!!!

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/Vl2NbtI.jpg

[stefa]

Not looking good. Just saying from what we are watching right now .
what is worring me is that no matter what we do,in what tires we doesnt look competitive AT ALL !!!!
And as it looks ,in these conditions (as it will be in Qualy) is even worsen!!!!

For the time being, not looking good at all! McLaren could gain some big points against us...

[elnano14]

We're faster than both AT and McLaren on the long run

[PURE PASSION]

We're faster than both AT and McLaren on the long run

Genuinely??? I mean I heard it in a lot of races and it turned out that the one who said it just saw 1 or 2 laps when we might be faster ,but on general pace we where slower! Now we where consistently faster ???

[paolo lalli]

Another 5th and 6th coming up its about as good as it gets,we have lots of work to do for the 2022 season make no mistake about that.Ferrari will be third this a great turn around from last year by 100% but its still not good enough for ferrari we need to be at the very pointy end of the competition.

[elnano14]

Genuinely??? I mean I heard it in a lot of races and it turned out that the one who said it just saw 1 or 2 laps when we might be faster ,but on general pace we where slower! Now we where consistently faster ???

The only race AT was faster than us recently is Mexico. McLaren has been slower than us for ages. I don't know what you're talking about ?

[paolo lalli]

Love Toto's quote to red bull re red bull rear wing protest quote its not as if a team turns up with an illegal engine or rear wing to go racing.Really toto what the so called illegal ferrari engine you protested about with horner,what goes around comes around .

[PURE PASSION]

The only race AT was faster than us recently is Mexico. McLaren has been slower than us for ages. I don't know what you're talking about ?
im talking in general ,there where races (from the start of the season) where someone when watching race pace on FP2 (probabbly on tv) might saw in a lap where we where faster then our competitors and he post here that we where faster on race pace. And then it turned out ,not only on the actual race but on the long runs of FP2 also ,that we might where faster on 1,2 laps but on the rest we where slower.It was just that the guy who posted here happed to see that 1 lap that we where faster. So im asking you have all the race pace and you say that we're faster then A/T and McL ?? Just asking !!!!

[elnano14]

im talking in general ,there where races (from the start of the season) where someone when watching race pace on FP2 (probabbly on tv) might saw in a lap where we where faster then our competitors and he post here that we where faster on race pace. And then it turned out ,not only on the actual race but on the long runs of FP2 also ,that we might where faster on 1,2 laps but on the rest we where slower.It was just that the guy who posted here happed to see that 1 lap that we where faster. So im asking you have all the race pace and you say that we're faster then A/T and McL ?? Just asking !!!!

I was watching the livetiming and Sainz's pace on Hard is pretty solid and consistently on par - if not better than AT and McLaren. I think tomorrow we'll have the full long run data

[wisepie]

Charles and Carlos say they were focusing on long-run pace in FP2, issues with tyres overheating, and will concentrate on quali set-up overnight, Charles also had a moment in FP2 and ended up P13 as a result. Hope they have something up their sleeves for quali and race.

[PURE PASSION]

I was watching the livetiming and Sainz's pace on Hard is pretty solid and consistently on par - if not better than AT and McLaren. I think tomorrow we'll have the full long run data
Thanks !!!What about Lec ?? Did you see his laps also ?? Tomorrow i dont think we will see the true pace on FP3 because it will be in complete different circumstances from Qualy and the Race. it looks like in the evening we have a pretty big temperature drop,so whatever we see on FP3 ,it will nor be repsesentative !!

[subfire91]

ferrari turning the engines a bit up in fp3

[patrese86]

Other teams need to make the FIA aware they aren't happy with Mercedes speed and the FIA need to thoroughly scrutinise what's goiin on with that wing. It's not normal

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/5X1hUDV.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Other teams need to make the FIA aware they aren't happy with Mercedes speed and the FIA need to thoroughly scrutinise what's goiin on with that wing. It's not normal

Umm...do you mean Red Bull's wing? Because it has been flapping since Yesterday and it's only on Max's car. Clearly something is going on there.

[patrese86]

Umm...do you mean Red Bull's wing? Because it has been flapping since Yesterday and it's only on Max's car. Clearly something is going on there.

It was happening yesterday on Checo's car also.

I'm saying the exponential increase in performance from the Mercedes isn't normal given they haven't upgraded the car since Silverstone. At Monza the McLaren's were keeping the Mercs at bay, something isn't right.

[Redfive]

Merc cheating their way to another title.
Seriously if nothing changes in 2022, I'm done with this so-called "sport".

[Lesky]

Well, since Merc spent 3 years prior to the hybrid era developing that engine while Ferrari and Red Bull where duking it out on track for championships, they lost a few years work compared to Merc. If then include all the tokens and freezes during the start of the Mercedes engine era, it made it really difficult to catch up. Catching Mercedes massive headstart would not require Ferrari or Red Bull to go even with Mercedes, they would need to outdevelop Mercedes by a huge margin to get back to level terms. I dont see how any team could have outclassed Mercedes and get up to their level considering Merc never stands still. The initial Mercedes advantage was way too big, and we have not even seen what they had left in the tank, they were obviously not pushing their engines until this season.

[KimiBot]

Well, since Merc spent 3 years prior to the hybrid era developing that engine while Ferrari and Red Bull where duking it out on track for championships, they lost a few years work compared to Merc. If then include all the tokens and freezes during the start of the Mercedes engine era, it made it really difficult to catch up. Catching Mercedes massive headstart would not require Ferrari or Red Bull to go even with Mercedes, they would need to outdevelop Mercedes by a huge margin to get back to level terms. I dont see how any team could have outclassed Mercedes and get up to their level considering Merc never stands still. The initial Mercedes advantage was way too big, and we have not even seen what they had left in the tank, they were obviously not pushing their engines until this season.

Just playing with us.

[Lesky]

Just playing with us.

Yep. We are in the Mercedes Engine era folks, the engine advantage lead taken in 2014 will end in 2024, better luck then for the other teams! Merc got plenty in the bag when needed as shown repeatedly. I have zero hopes for next season, at best some team could maybe be threatening them a bit, but as long as its the same engines, Merc will not be beaten.

[PURE PASSION]

Yep. We are in the Mercedes Engine era folks, the engine advantage lead taken in 2014 will end in 2024, better luck then for the other teams! Merc got plenty in the bag when needed as shown repeatedly. I have zero hopes for next season, at best some team could maybe be threatening them a bit, but as long as its the same engines, Merc will not be beaten.

Im not sure 100% of this. There are sometimes that it look like this BUT im not conviced . What i mean is that this year till 4!!! laps from the end looked like RedBull had the upper hand. Only when they introduce the 5th new spec engine on Lewis where able to demostrate that superior performance !!! Well to me this isnt a well planed scenario, because simply its too late in the season . All the other years we saw A weak Merc in just 1,2 max 3 races.And if for a reason another team could take an advantage in the 1st part of a season ,Merc managed to turns things around in the early 2nd part. You cant play with unexpected factors (some accident ) and wait till 3-4 races from the end toi demonstrate your superiority ,if you had it beforehand!!!! I trully believe that what we saw this year was more or less geniun.Till last race RBR had the upper hand.Now what happend with this 5th superengine on Ham,well i dont think we will ever learn.Its just smells like our "super engine" of '19 !!!

[KimiBot]

Why Charles so far behind

[PURE PASSION]

Again Lec was compromised in Q1 due to traffic!!!! That S1 hurt him bad !!!!
He had best S3 (I'm not quite sure if that was down of a slipstream on Ric !!)

[jgonzalesm6]

Q1 results

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1462063710562918407/photo/1

[elnano14]

Charles what r u doing baby

[PURE PASSION]

*** happend with Lec ????!!!!! Almont 1s behind Sai????!!!!

[patrese86]

Charles said over the radio he doesn't know where he can make the time up. I get the impression Sainz smoother driving style is beneficial round here.

[PURE PASSION]

AND he doesn't know what's wrong!!!!!!!! He's really bad in Q !!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles said over the radio he doesn't know where he can make the time up. I get the impression Sainz smoother driving style is beneficial round here.


AND he doesn't know what's wrong!!!!!!!! He's really bad in Q !!!!

Charles: "I don't know where to find the 9 tenths I'm missing" .........9/10's!!!!!:-E

[PURE PASSION]

Yep he's bad around here .Most likely he will end up out of Q3!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Leclerc knocked out of Q2....Sainz makes it to Q3.

[patrese86]

Some drivers seem like they just can't hook it up round here, even on softer tyres...Charles, Checo, Danny Ric..

Come on Carlos! I think we can get P4 here

[jgonzalesm6]

Perez is really slow....knocked out of Q3.

[elnano14]

I just don't understand. How are you suddenly 1s slower than your teammate on the same compound

[stefa]

Much worst than I thought...

[nani_s23]

Leclerc knocked out of Q2....Sainz makes it to Q3.

Not sure Charles Lec is comfortable with the set up. Off late in quali he’s not up to his mark.
Where as Sainz is getting better & better. May be driving style.

[nani_s23]

Perez is really slow....knocked out of Q3.

Advantage Mercs now completely.

[tifosi1993]

I am surprised by Alpine's pace. A team that was no where near us is all of a sudden a lot faster. This track is strange.

[jgonzalesm6]

Q2 results

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1462069223413460995/photo/1

[tifosi1993]

I just don't understand. How are you suddenly 1s slower than your teammate on the same compound

Sainz is 3 tenths faster in the first sector alone. I think Charles was struggling with the front tyre temperature issue.

[jgonzalesm6]

Alpine and Alpha Tauri....both drivers into Q3.

[SilverSpeed]

meh gutted.

[PURE PASSION]

Alo and Gas !!!!!!!:-E

[jgonzalesm6]

Alo and Gas !!!!!!!:-E

Gasly has been impressive and consistent these last 3 years. Unfortunate he's not getting a top seat next year with whomever-->Mercedes, Ferrari, RedBull or Mclaren.

[jgonzalesm6]

ugh.....Gasly with a puncture.....unlucky.

[stefa]

And Mercedes stopped playing and toying with everyone engaged 2nd gear and blast everyone!

:lou

[PURE PASSION]

Did he compromise Sainz lap ????

[PURE PASSION]

Only with Ham and his new engine

[KimiBot]

I am surprised if Binotto is not kicked out next year, I mean 3 years and same shaisse.

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/0AyLWeP.jpg

[jgonzalesm6]

I am surprised if Binotto is not kicked out next year, I mean 3 years and same shaisse.

No, he's been focusing on the 2022 car and has missed several races with Mekies taking control.

Let's see how the 2022 car does.......but I'm expecting 2nd place....fighting with Redbull.

[KimiBot]

P7 and P13, that is just too much, I am just not feeling it right now. Do something Ferrari.

[KimiBot]

No, he's been focusing on the 2022 car and has missed several races with Mekies taking control.

Let's see how the 2022 car does.......but I'm expecting 2nd place....fighting with Redbull.

He is a clever guy, they kick out Mekies and Binotto keeps his job.

[elnano14]

I am surprised if Binotto is not kicked out next year, I mean 3 years and same shaisse.

One bad qualifying result after a very long time and you want Binotto get kicked out ?

[Alonsomaniac]

What have I just been watching Mr. Leclerc??

[nani_s23]

No, he's been focusing on the 2022 car and has missed several races with Mekies taking control.

Let's see how the 2022 car does.......but I'm expecting 2nd place....fighting with Redbull.

Sacrificing 2 years & fighting for 2nd position is not what the expectation is In my opinion.

We should be fighting for the win. But looking at Mercs engine & everytime they unleash something extraordinary. Not sure we can catch them.

[jgonzalesm6]

Q3 results

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1462076672270815234/photo/1

[elnano14]

Sainz's pace on medium in Q2 was very competitive, the yellow flag screwed him in Q3. Him starting on medium is a good sign, plus his race pace on Hard yesterday was better than both AT and Lando, the problem is overtaking on this track
Disaster peformance from Charles

[RicRac]

What we seeing here is Sainz is able to set up the car better than Leclerc. Ferrari are relying more on Sainz' feedback due to it matching the simulations back at the factory.. He's gone from a Torro Rosso, Renault, McLaren and now a Ferrari.. The things he has learnt from having to adapt to different cars and situations is wisdom second to none. That Ferrari is set up to how he likes to drive it and Leclerc can't drive his Ferrari the same way Sainz can with those settings

[jgonzalesm6]

Sacrificing 2 years & fighting for 2nd position is not what the expectation is In my opinion.

We should be fighting for the win. But looking at Mercs engine & everytime they unleash something extraordinary. Not sure we can catch them.

TOTALLY AGREE but beating Mercedes is asking for a miracle and that eignie on steroids, my gawd!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

What we seeing here is Sainz is able to set up the car better than Leclerc. Ferrari are relying more on Sainz' feedback due to it matching the simulations back at the factory.. He's gone from a Torro Rosso, Renault, McLaren and now a Ferrari.. The things he has learnt from having to adapt to different cars and situations is wisdom second to none. That Ferrari is set up to how he likes to drive it and Leclerc can't drive his Ferrari the same way Sainz can with those settings

I can agree with this. Still smh on Leclerc. Puzzling.

[Toothlessrage*]

P7 and P13, that is just too much, I am just not feeling it right now. Do something Ferrari.

I'm with you, but realistically we are batteling the McMercs and we are building upto '21.
I wasn't a believer of Binnoto, but he's doing a pretty decent job up until now (considering this year).

Though, if Ferrari fail to perform next season his day's at the helm are number.

[KimiBot]

One bad qualifying result after a very long time and you want Binotto get kicked out ?

You dont watch so much F1? Last 3 years for example. We are fighting with Macca, Alpha Tauri, Renault and so on not fighting with RB and Mercs, there is no progress. Leclerc said today: I dont know what to do...is Charles so bad driver or is the car so bad, omg, I have tyo go for a walk I am so angry now.

[elnano14]

You dont watch so much F1? Last 3 years for example. We are fighting with Macca, Alpha Tauri, Renault and so on not fighting with RB and Mercs, there is no progress. Leclerc said today: I dont know what to do...is Charles so bad driver or is the car so bad, omg, I have tyo go for a walk I am so angry now.

We come back positively after a VERY BAD 2020 . Look at last year car and this year car, how is there no progress ?

[Lesky]

Lewis was not using his fresh Brazil engine for Q, he used the old one :-D So more pace hidden....unreal.

[KimiBot]

We come back positively after a VERY BAD 2020 . Look at last year car and this year car, how is there no progress ?

yeah, that was Binottos first F1 car, worst Ferrari in history

[elnano14]

yeah, that was Binottos first F1 car, worst Ferrari in history

Did we forget the trash that called F14T ???
The SF1000 was designed around the 2019 godlike engine, it was heavily compromised due to the whole engine saga

[Kyss4k]

Sainz is quickly strating to be better then Leclerc. Been watching it for some time now, but the last 3 races were prove, there is something wrong with Charles. This is not the same guy, we saw in Sauber and in 2019/20.

[nani_s23]

P7 and P13, that is just too much, I am just not feeling it right now. Do something Ferrari.

It’s one off odd performance from Leclerc. Nothing to worry.

But the main problem is how are we gonna shape up for next year with 2022 car. That’s a worry for me.

[nani_s23]

Sainz is quickly strating to be better then Leclerc. Been watching it for some time now, but the last 3 races were prove, there is something wrong with Charles. This is not the same guy, we saw in Sauber and in 2019/20.

Last 3 qualifying’s Lec is not at his best. On the other side Sainz is doing excellent job getting better than leclerc at times.

I don’t want one more tenure where another star driver talent goes in vain & not getting title with Ferrari. We need a damn…. Strong car.

[wisepie]

Definitely a below-par quali showing from Charles but let's not start slagging him off when some of the top 10 are made up of cars drivers who aren't regularly in Q3, Carlos did a very good job staying in and even then Lando is in front of him. Perez and Ricciardo are with Charles out of Q3, just circuit and tyres may not have been in the best operating temp for one reason or another. The main problem will be getting a clean first lap, only then will we see what is possible. I didn't see any interviews with Charles or Carlos on Sky, so have no idea what issues Charles had. Maybe Binotto's return to the track puts a jinx on our performance?:roll

[ntukza]

Last 3 qualifying’s Lec is not at his best. On the other side Sainz is doing excellent job getting better than leclerc at times.

I don’t want one more tenure where another star driver talent goes in vain & not getting title with Ferrari. We need a damn…. Strong car.

Basically you agree that there's something wrong with Leclerc.

[elnano14]

Ferrari found the reason for @Charles_Leclerc's poor performance, which could not be just his driving! Damage to the chassis compromised the car's balance.
https://twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1462100096036843523?s=20

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari found the reason for @Charles_Leclerc's poor performance, which could not be just his driving! Damage to the chassis compromised the car's balance.
https://twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1462100096036843523?s=20

That's why I didn't run my mouth. It's not normal for Charles being off the pace by that large margin. He has the measure of Sainz in both qualifying and race pace, and him being 7-8 tenths isn't just a bad day in the office.

But it seem Charles do have some naysayers here. You don't see them when he puts out great performance, but they come out of the woodwork when he has a bad day. Same thing with Ferrari.

P.S. New chassis for Charles. I think Ferrari should bolt a new PU, energy component, gearbox and exhaust system on his car and start from the pitlane.

[wisepie]

That's why I didn't run my mouth. It's not normal for Charles being off the pace by that large margin. He has the measure of Sainz in both qualifying and race pace, and him being 7-8 tenths isn't just a bad day in the office.

But it seem Charles do have some naysayers here. You don't see them when he puts out great performance, but they come out of the woodwork when he has a bad day. Same thing with Ferrari.

P.S. New chassis for Charles. I think Ferrari should bolt a new PU, energy component, gearbox and exhaust system on his car and start from the pitlane.

+1 on all counts, Carlos also doing a great job, and the team is working better, so the less criticism when unjustified, the better.;-)

[nani_s23]

Investigation against Verstappen for ignoring double yellow flaps. He has to show up with the stewards.

In general such cases will lead to 3 or 5 place grid penalty. Let’s see what stewards say.

[KimiBot]

P7, no excuses, that is for real, even Perez missing there, so P8, strange that true tifosis are satisfied with Ferrari performance, I guess they are not tifosis after all, I dont know, how could ANYBODY DEFEND so bad results.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Yeah give Charles everything new so he can really use a flat-out mode for the final two races of the season. It was quite obvious that something was broken otherwise he wouldn't be a long way off Sainz on a faster tyre.

Carlos did a solid job and will probably fight for P5 tomorrow.

Hopefully no penalty for Verstappen and he nails the start. Otherwise a very long boring parade from the cheating trash team.

[Liscia]

Not really disappointed as I wasn't expecting much on this rinky-dink circuit under lights no less:( Hopefully Charles improves and Carlos does even better in the race and they can gain/don't lose any points to McLaren. Probably won't watch race live (or at all-will DVR just in case) as outcome doesn't much matter me but would just prefer VER over HAM.

[paolo lalli]

This season is going to go down to the wire the swing is firmly with mercedes now,could it all be slipping away for max.?As for ferrari aiming for the best of the rest is achievable but its light and day to the top 2 teams,much work needs to be done for the new season.Binotto is on his last chance token,failure will ultimately see him fall on his sword.I suspect that his termination will be early in the 2022 season if the ferrari does not fire.For binotto there is no where to hide.

[PURE PASSION]

I'm wondering that since Max ,Bottas and Sainz where summoned to the stuarts for not slowing down, why not NORRIS????!!!! He was the only one except Max to better his time and pass Sainz !!!!!

[tpe]

Interesting point!

[jgonzalesm6]

Investigation against Verstappen for ignoring double yellow flaps. He has to show up with the stewards.

In general such cases will lead to 3 or 5 place grid penalty. Let’s see what stewards say.

Technical glitches regarding the double waved yellows on several drivers. I doubt anything happens regarding the grid place penalty to any of them.

https://streamable.com/ojxzfj

[Alonsomaniac]

Well...... seems I owe Charles an apology for critisizing his performance. Nobody can drive a good qualy with a broken chassis, not even Charles Leclerc.

[20000rpm]

But how did he end up with a broken chassis in the first place?
Did he hit the kerb hard enough to damage it?

[KimiBot]

Sky even compare Carlos and Perez and did show that Carlos drove like a maniac, took everything out of the car and P7.
2022 is not going to change anything, other than Binotto is "focusing 2025 car". Hard times. 3 more years this same, prepare for that guys.

[paolo lalli]

No way I will walk away and never look back if that were to happen,I would totally delete f1 from my life and ferrari with it.

[DIEK]

@Charles_Leclerc
abbassa la testa nell'abitacolo per ridurre il Drag, è tanta roba!! Go Charles

https://twitter.com/i/status/1462161394065973254

Turtle style! :-E

[PURE PASSION]

Sky even compare Carlos and Perez and did show that Carlos drove like a maniac, took everything out of the car and P7.
2022 is not going to change anything, other than Binotto is "focusing 2025 car". Hard times. 3 more years this same, prepare for that guys.

You take this and last year and make conclusions about next year ????!!!!!!!! Why some of you try to delete EVERYTHING just to feel better. I just want to ask you this:1st of all its not something so important in our life,it's not like someones life depends on it, we are not in a court and nobody has done any crime. BUT we are I this Ferrari forum ,you have no faith in this team (because there are some years in this state etcetc, I've heard it many times),you are bashing the team, the boss ,the mechanics, the drivers ALL of them and you say that we are nothing and we will do nothing next year!!!RIGHT???!! SO what will happen if we actually turn out to be quite competitive next year and fighting on pure pace for wins and the championship. What will YOU do then??? You will just say a "I was wrong " and start celebrating with all of us.Of course you are not the only one. There are a lot of people like your kind of thinking I have friends like you and we are arguing all due time.Its just for me this is just one small injustices of our life and our community. Of course nobody can demand any kind of "punishment" from you and the others for a little thing like this. Just saying.....!!!!!

[KimiBot]

Marchionne did kick out Arrivabene, when Ferrari ended second place, could not beat Mercs. You think he would not not do anything, when Ferrari has had this 3 years misery. He was a real boss.

"you are bashing the team, the boss ,the mechanics, the drivers ALL of them"....what are you talking about, never said anything bad about drivers, mechanics, the team, only Binotto, just look that you dont put words in to my mouth. We do have this "only one real and true Tifosi" here, who is bashing drivers, like Seb and Kimi, maybe you thought about him.

[PURE PASSION]

Marchionne did kick out Arrivabene, when Ferrari ended second place, could not beat Mercs. You think he would not not do anything, when Ferrari has had this 3 years misery. He was a real boss.

"you are bashing the team, the boss ,the mechanics, the drivers ALL of them"....what are you talking about, never said anything bad about drivers, mechanics, the team, only Binotto, just look that you dont put words in to my mouth. We do have this "only one real and true Tifosi" here, who is bashing drivers, like Seb and Kimi, maybe you thought about him.

Because I cantankerous don't want to start searching all your posts, I will except that you only bash Binotto. 1st of all ,are you familiar of how an F1 team is working and how it can be actually deliver results??? I don't understand how fans from all sports are talking about something that actually have completely NO idea how it works!!!! I remember a lot of guys where saying the same things about Arriva back then and they also where wrong!!! There are A LOT of circumstances that affect a team to end deliver good results
And to end up this discussion, since Binotto himself has put a deadline in 2022 to deliver a race/championship winning car ,we simply have to accept and respect that as fans!! IF he doesn't deliver next year and end up more or less like what we have seeing in the last decade, THEN I agree that he failed and we must try something new!!!!

[nani_s23]

Because I cantankerous don't want to start searching all your posts, I will except that you only bash Binotto. 1st of all ,are you familiar of how an F1 team is working and how it can be actually deliver results??? I don't understand how fans from all sports are talking about something that actually have completely NO idea how it works!!!! I remember a lot of guys where saying the same things about Arriva back then and they also where wrong!!! There are A LOT of circumstances that affect a team to end deliver good results
And to end up this discussion, since Binotto himself has put a deadline in 2022 to deliver a race/championship winning car ,we simply have to accept and respect that as fans!! IF he doesn't deliver next year and end up more or less like what we have seeing in the last decade, THEN I agree that he failed and we must try something new!!!!

I think @kimibot mentioned & referring to same point from his earlier posts.

[PURE PASSION]

I think @kimibot mentioned & referring to same point from his earlier posts.

Not exactly. He has come to this conclusion FROM NOW!!!!!

[nani_s23]

3 place grid penalty for Bottas
5 place grid penalty for Max

[PURE PASSION]

So expecting 3place for Sainz also ???!!!!

[elnano14]

3 place grid penalty for Sainz as well
Edited: Nope lmao haha

[Redfive]

5 place drop for Max, Congrats on being gifted title 8 goldenboy. My gods, social media is going to be unbearable for the next few months.

[elnano14]

Sainz lifted so he won't get a penalty

[PURE PASSION]

And I ask again. How come Norris dimt called at all since he he also improve his time in the 2nd run .He also finish after Gaslys incident?????!!!!

[stefa]

5 place drop for Max, Congrats on being gifted title 8 goldenboy. My gods, social media is going to be unbearable for the next few months.

Discousting!!!! :furious

[Lesky]

Lucky Lewis strikes again, a random puncture on the last Q lap now handing him a race win on a plate + the title. I am done with this nonsense. Criminally lucky yet again, has not won the title on merit, but on luck, nothing more to say.

[elnano14]

And I ask again. How come Norris dimt called at all since he he also improve his time in the 2nd run .He also finish after Gaslys incident?????!!!!

No yellow flag being waved by the time he came at the finish line

[tifosi1993]

The right decision. :thumb

Just because you're involved in a championship fight, doesn't mean you're above all the rules and regulations. Verstappen already got away in Brazil, he can't always expect to get "no-penalty" verdict.

Maybe Max should stop acting like a fool and act like a championship contender. He already lost a pole in Mexico 2019 due to the yellow flag infringement. He should've learned his lesson then.

[nani_s23]

No further action for Carlos Sainz. No penalty

[Redfive]

The right decision. :thumb

Just because you're involved in a championship fight, doesn't mean you're above all the rules and regulations. Verstappen already got away in Brazil, he can't always expect to get "no-penalty" verdict.

Maybe Max should stop acting like a fool and act like a championship contender. He already lost a pole in Mexico 2019 due to the yellow flag infringement. He should've learned his lesson then.

Can you please reword that, using the R word is DEEPLY offensive.

[tifosi1993]

Can you please reword that, using the R word is DEEPLY offensive.

Would the word "idiot" be less offensive to you?

[ferrari1.8t]

It was the right call as he ignored the flags, however quite convenient to only give Bottas 3 places and have him start in front of Max. Nice buffer for the incoming 8 time champ. Or am I missing something?

[KimiBot]

3 place grid penalty for Bottas
5 place grid penalty for Max

Why different penalties?

[nani_s23]

Why different penalties?

Bottas single yellow flag
Max double yellow flag infringement

[tifosi1993]

Bottas ignored "Single Yellow Flag" = 3 Place Grid Drop.

Max Ignored "Double Yellow: = 5 Place Grid Drop.

[jgonzalesm6]

3 place grid penalty for Bottas
5 place grid penalty for Max

Stupid, idiotic, ridiculous penalties for said drivers.


The right decision. :thumb

Just because you're involved in a championship fight, doesn't mean you're above all the rules and regulations. Verstappen already got away in Brazil, he can't always expect to get "no-penalty" verdict.

Maybe Max should stop acting like a retard and act like a championship contender. He already lost a pole in Mexico 2019 due to the yellow flag infringement. He should've learned his lesson then.

Boy, you really like to go off on a tangent don't you. You're comparing Brazil to Qatar??? I posted a video of several drivers who did'nt get the yellow-flag warning lights on their steering wheel PLUS no yellow flags on the side markers.......it was a technical glitch. JEEEEZUUUS.

It's a stupid, idiotic call by the stewards for said drivers.:roll

[PURE PASSION]

No yellow flag being waved by the time he came at the finish line

How come??? Norris past the finish line AFTER Gaslys incident. Yellow flags came in and out 2,3 times .Then there where no yellow flags and Norris then Sainz then Otto and Max finish. It really strange when they where all on more or less in the same situation and pass the finish line just 5,-6 secs different. It will be really strange that yellows came out when Gasly broke his wing ,then there where green flags and only Norris had NO yellow on his pass !!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Can you please reword that, using the R word is DEEPLY offensive.

+1

I've delt with mentally and physically challenged people. That "r" word is old fashion and out of date OR very offensive to people whom have'nt been around people that are mentally or physically challenged.

[wisepie]

Presume Charles has his car back with a new chassis and that he'll still start P13? As for those penalties, justified or not, once again HAM benefits. Speechless.:roll

[tifosi1993]

Boy, you really like to go off on a tangent don't you. You're comparing Brazil to Qatar??? I posted a video of several drivers who did'nt get the yellow-flag warning lights on their steering wheel PLUS no yellow flags on the side markers.......it was a technical glitch. JEEEEZUUUS.

It's a stupid, idiotic call by the stewards for said drivers.:roll

Of course, being a Max fan you're upset. And since you're upset, you can't read properly. I'm not comparing anything. What I've said was fact. Max got away in Brazil with no penalty. Charles, Norris and plenty of other drivers had problems with his verdict. That's why there was a meeting between the drivers and the Masi.

As it has been said to you time and time again, this isn't a Max fan forum. You're free to cheer Red Bull's overtake on Ferrari, as you've already done, but don't expect any lovefest for Max/Red Bull here.

[jgonzalesm6]

Of course, being a Max fan you're upset. And since you're upset, you can't read properly. I'm not comparing anything. What I've said was fact. Max got away in Brazil with no penalty. Charles, Norris and plenty of other drivers had problems with his verdict. That's why there was a meeting between the drivers and the Masi.

As it has been said to you time and time again, this isn't a Max fan forum. You're free to cheer Red Bull's overtake on Ferrari, as you've already done, but don't expect any lovefest for Max/Red Bull here.

You obviously did'nt read my post.....I said "SAID DRIVERS."

You're an amazing piece of work!!!!

[tifosi1993]

Presume Charles has his car back with a new chassis and that he'll still start P13? As for those penalties, justified or not, once again HAM benefits. Speechless.:roll

I think Ferrari have missed a great opportunity by not fitting Charles with a new PU, Gearbox and Energy Component.

[KimiBot]

Bottas single yellow flag
Max double yellow flag infringement

:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

I think Ferrari have missed a great opportunity by not fitting Charles with a new PU, Gearbox and Energy Component.

So he could be in the back of the grid when he does'nt need to be????

[tifosi1993]

You obviously did'nt read my post.....I said "SAID DRIVERS."

You're an amazing piece of work!!!!

Again, Max got his deserved penalty. You being butthurt not going to change anything. Other drivers, including Carlos, lifted and costed after yellow, hence they didn't improve their S3 time.

So crying for Carlos's penalty is pointless. Like your entire post.

[nani_s23]

Stupid, idiotic, ridiculous penalties for said drivers.



Boy, you really like to go off on a tangent don't you. You're comparing Brazil to Qatar??? I posted a video of several drivers who did'nt get the yellow-flag warning lights on their steering wheel PLUS no yellow flags on the side markers.......it was a technical glitch. JEEEEZUUUS.

It's a stupid, idiotic call by the stewards for said drivers.:roll

Max escaped penalty in Brazil. Karna got hit back this time, even though it’s mistake from FIA & Marshall’s. As simple as that.

[Lesky]

Max escaped penalty in Brazil. Karna got hit back this time, even though it’s mistake from FIA & Marshall’s. As simple as that.

Karma does not exist. Hamiltons universal luck is real though!

[jgonzalesm6]

Again, Max got his deserved penalty. You being butthurt not going to change anything. Other drivers, including Carlos, lifted and costed after yellow, hence they didn't improve their S3 time.

So crying for Carlos's penalty is pointless. Like your entire post.

"In particular, as Red Bull duly argued with the stewards, the regular yellow warning light panels that are used were not flashing in this area of track at the time.

Furthermore, the FIA’s official marshalling system had switched off its yellow alert status shortly beforehand – meaning that Verstappen did not receive a dashboard warning nor audible signal as could be expected when he enters a double yellow sector."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-the-fia-punished-verstappen-despite-no-yellow-lights/6805778/

[jgonzalesm6]

Max escaped penalty in Brazil. Karna got hit back this time, even though it’s mistake from FIA & Marshall’s. As simple as that.

It's a complete joke for said drivers that recieved the penalty.

Here's the video I posted.

https://streamable.com/ojxzfj

[Greig]

"In particular, as Red Bull duly argued with the stewards, the regular yellow warning light panels that are used were not flashing in this area of track at the time.

Furthermore, the FIA’s official marshalling system had switched off its yellow alert status shortly beforehand – meaning that Verstappen did not receive a dashboard warning nor audible signal as could be expected when he enters a double yellow sector."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-the-fia-punished-verstappen-despite-no-yellow-lights/6805778/

But there was double waved yellows at a marshall post I believe so he should have seen it.

[jgonzalesm6]

But there was double waved yellows at a marshall post I believe so he should have seen it.

Well, it was at night. Yes, there's lights to light up the track but other drivers did'nt see the yellow flags being waved. It was'nt just Max.

[Greig]

Well, it was at night. Yes, there's lights to light up the track but other drivers did'nt see the yellow flags being waved. It was'nt just Max.

Track is well lit up.....he has no real excuses.

[jgonzalesm6]

Track is well lit up.....he has no real excuses.

Yeah, I get it....neither did Bottas. Like I said. These penalties for said drivers are a complete joke but it's nothing new and not the first time.

[TonyRizza]

unfortunately looks like this is the year that schumi's record is broken :(

[Greig]

Yeah, I get it....neither did Bottas. Like I said. These penalties for said drivers are a complete joke but it's nothing new and not the first time.

Ignoring yellow flags is always going to be punished quite rightly.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ignoring yellow flags is always going to be punished quite rightly.

That is not my arguement. It was the way the yellow flags were administered. No yellow flags on the screens and no yellow flags on the drivers steering wheels. It was a marshall waving yellow flags.....sure....uh-huh.:roll

[TonyRizza]

That is not my arguement. It was the way the yellow flags were administered. No yellow flags on the screens and no yellow flags on the drivers steering wheels. It was a marshall waving yellow flags.....sure....uh-huh.:roll

Marshals flags are given priority over the dash as they can make decisions before race control

[Greig]

That is not my arguement. It was the way the yellow flags were administered. No yellow flags on the screens and no yellow flags on the drivers steering wheels. It was a marshall waving yellow flags.....sure....uh-huh.:roll

Double yellows were waved as said in the FIA statement if there was no flags being waved there would be no penalty, up to the drivers to be aware of flags being waved. A marshall post waving flags can't be ignored just because the other systems have failed.

[nani_s23]

unfortunately looks like this is the year that schumi's record is broken :(

Yes unfortunately.
He thoroughly deserves it. He fought on track

[jgonzalesm6]

Marshals flags are given priority over the dash as they can make decisions before race control

I would think a driver doing over 160mph at a night track would have a better response time to double yellows IF THE SCREENS WERE LIT UP WITH DOULBE YELLOWS TO INCLUDE THE WARNING LIGHTS ON THE STEERING WHEEL.

[jgonzalesm6]

unfortunately looks like this is the year that schumi's record is broken :(


Yes unfortunately.
He thoroughly deserves it. He fought on track

If it was'nt for Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary, the WDC title would have already been decided.

[Greig]

I would think a driver doing over 160mph at a night track would have a better response time to double yellows IF THE SCREENS WERE LIT UP WITH DOULBE YELLOWS TO INCLUDE THE WARNING LIGHTS ON THE STEERING WHEEL.

They are well capable of spotting flags being waved.

[paolo lalli]

Max cracks under pressure thats the difference.Hats of to Lewis he has max in his sites now. Max and Lewis could be all square going into last race. MAX must win the next race or place better than Hamilton to avoid this scenario then trust his car survives any mishaps. LEWIS is more or less in the same boat.