2022 F1 news/rumours

[FerrariF60]

Sainz was every bit as quick as Crashtappen when they were in Torro Rosso. Yes, i still believe this is the case, and I think Leclerc is a step above both. I think Leclerc is on par with Alonso.

And I don't believe that drivers improve once they get to F1, I give you 1 season, 2 max, and that's for learning some race craft, some setup secrets. But your raw speed will not improve when you reach F1.

exactly, you either have it or you don't.....this KID blew me away watching him in F2 in 2017.....he was on fire all season long....i knew then, and so did FERRARI that he's the real deal

[Cavallino]

exactly, you either have it or you don't.....this KID blew me away watching him in F2 in 2017.....he was on fire all season long....i knew then, and so did FERRARI that he's the real deal

you mean Leclerc. yes.

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=Brembo;1060337]

To read you one would think that you suffer from the syndrome of persecution

" Let him pass or lose your seat!" That took it's toll on me as far as F-1 treating drivers. Carlos got lucky that Mick is no where near ready or he would be treated as a #3 !!!

[RossTheBoss]

Sainz was every bit as quick as Crashtappen when they were in Torro Rosso. Yes, i still believe this is the case, and I think Leclerc is a step above both. I think Leclerc is on par with Alonso.

And I don't believe that drivers improve once they get to F1, I give you 1 season, 2 max, and that's for learning some race craft, some setup secrets. But your raw speed will not improve when you reach F1.
Uh, no. Sainz is a good driver and he'll win some races, but he's not championship material. He's in his 8th season still searching for his first win and first pole. He's still very young and could develop himself, but for right now he's rightly a number 2 driver.

Verstappen is the best driver at the moment, with Leclerc just a tick behind him. Leclerc is awesome, but he's got to prove he can stay with Max the whole year, and not crack under the pressure of his first opportunity at a WDC. It's going to be down to whether the team can develop the car so that he's at least a tenth within Max, otherwise, make no mistake, Max will drive away the WDC if he's 2+ tenths in car advantage.

[SilverSpeed]

" Let him pass or lose your seat!" That took it's toll on me as far as F-1 treating drivers. Carlos got lucky that Mick is no where near ready or he would be treated as a #3 !!!

It's been 20 years Brembo.

Stop trolling or leave this forum.

Every time the same with you sigh.

Can't you move ahead instead of thinking about the past.

[jgonzalesm6]

Monaco 2022 Grand Prix Historique

Leclerc bins Niki Lauda's 312T in the wall. Rear wing damage.

[Brembo]

It's been 20 years Brembo.

Stop trolling or leave this forum.

Every time the same with you sigh.

Can't you move ahead instead of thinking about the past.

O K it's as you say 20 yrs .Let it stay back there. As far as 2022 no 1,2 at least not until needed to get max points. I believe Carlos & Charles will be more cautious knowing there not under that pressure of 1,2 preference. Let the past stay in the past . Two Ferrari drivers capable of winning make for a great race to watch. Wanting that WCC for Ferrari is definitely every race the same with me for sure.

[jgonzalesm6]

Monaco 2022 Grand Prix Historique

Leclerc bins Niki Lauda's 312T in the wall. Rear wing damage.

Leclerc Crashes 1974 Ferrari | Monaco Historic Grand Prix 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-3hXcWg1E

[FerrariF60]

you mean Leclerc. yes.

Of course I meant Leclerc, Alonso was NOT in F2 in 2017

[Gilles]

Leclerc Crashes 1974 Ferrari | Monaco Historic Grand Prix 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-3hXcWg1E

Brakes issue.... Monaco...

[Gilles]

Two Ferrari drivers capable of winning

Where did you see that?
You try again to put them on an equal footing (which is wrong) to ask again and again for an equal treatment when the question does not arise
Never tired?

[redzone]

Leclerc Crashes 1974 Ferrari | Monaco Historic Grand Prix 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-3hXcWg1E



That’s smart by Charles. Get his Monaco bad luck for this year out of the way before the actual grand prix.

[jgonzalesm6]

Brakes issue.... Monaco...


That’s smart by Charles. Get his Monaco bad luck for this year out of the way before the actual grand prix.

I think Leclerc went too fast in the Rascasse corner, tried pumping the brakes because of the speed and at the same time lost the rear going into the corner. Yes, he had a brake issue by then.

You have other "gentlemen" drivers driving in older cars and faired nicely through the track. Jacky Ickx drove his 312B2 at this Monaco Grand Prix Historique 2022 and drove it pretty well through the track.

[jgonzalesm6]

Monaco 2022 Grand Prix Historique

Leclerc bins Niki Lauda's 312T in the wall. Rear wing damage.

I stand corrected. It's Niki Lauda's 312B3(1974) and not 1975.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/LappedCars/status/1525887110535946241?t=yi0BftsDtEacesdAR3EaGw&s=19

[SFTifoso]

Why is Ferrari letting leclerc drive this race at speed? It’s fun to watch for sure, but if your #1 injured himself it could be game over for the championship.

[Brembo]

Where did you see that so far?

Miami 2-3
Saudi Arabia 2-3
Bahrain 1-2

[Aziz]

https://twitter.com/LappedCars/status/1525887110535946241?t=yi0BftsDtEacesdAR3EaGw&s=19

They bring updates at every race :-E

[Redfive]

ohh Charles, bending such an iconic car..nooo :-s

[Cavallino]

They bring updates at every race :-E

I think we're going to be able to read a lot into Spain, and then again in Baku.

But if we don't win in Spain, we're in trouble.

[SS454]

Brakes issue.... Monaco...

I think that's the official saving face excuse. No apparent brake issues the corners before. No visual tell tales of a brake failure. But he did just make a downshift and locked the rear tires which sent him into a spin. Driver error seems more likely than a sudden front brake failure the moment after a downshift while the car was already braking. Let's be honest, Charles has a history of self induced mistakes too.

But a brake failure certainly is possible. So who knows for sure.

[WS6TransAm01]

Can’t wait for Charles to crash out of Monaco this year and hand Max 25 free points.

Good thing Ferrari waited for those updates LOL

[Kyss4k]

They bring updates at every race :-E

Yep... And even so I am worried that they will have bigger, more impressive upgrade than us. That would totally end our chances. We need to wipe the floor with them after not upgrading the car at all since now otherwise this strategy is clearly wrong.

[Gilles]

Miami 2-3
Saudi Arabia 2-3
Bahrain 1-2

Ok, able to win in case of Charles dnf
So you better say we have a car capable of winning rather than 2 drivers, because i see you coming with your recurring "don't disadvantage Carlos"

[Gilles]

Yep... And even so I am worried that they will have bigger, more impressive upgrade than us. That would totally end our chances. We need to wipe the floor with them after not upgrading the car at all since now otherwise this strategy is clearly wrong.

What optimism!

[Gilles]

I think that's the official saving face excuse. No apparent brake issues the corners before. No visual tell tales of a brake failure. But he did just make a downshift and locked the rear tires which sent him into a spin. Driver error seems more likely than a sudden front brake failure the moment after a downshift while the car was already braking. Let's be honest, Charles has a history of self induced mistakes too.

But a brake failure certainly is possible. So who knows for sure.

You apparently
(sorry mate:-))

[SS454]

You apparently
(sorry mate:-))

Never said I knew for sure. That's why I said "I think". As in my own opinion based on the reasons I gave. I could just take the word of a twitter post too, but I like to have reasons to draw a conclusion.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/LappedCars/status/1525888791726129152?t=Xf0VyzFg_FpUN7S5YDKKMQ&s=19

[Brembo]

Ok, able to win in case of Charles dnf
So you better say we have a car capable of winning rather than 2 drivers, because i see you coming with your recurring "don't disadvantage Carlos"

I just don't want either driver Rubenized by Ferrari, at least not until needed to secure WCC . And at that point let it be the right choice as to which driver. It's way to soon to pick a !, 2 if need be. Charles and Carlos get along great . Fans should think of them the same. There's no more pressure on Bonito & the team to get Mick in Carlos seat so perhaps he will be looked at as equal to his team mate as far as given even equal cars and fair 1,2 status when need be.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1526114251559018497?t=EvjeEv0yYAkdVI_NHKOKpQ&s=19

[jgonzalesm6]

I think Leclerc went too fast in the Rascasse corner, tried pumping the brakes because of the speed and at the same time lost the rear going into the corner. Yes, he had a brake issue by then.

You have other "gentlemen" drivers driving in older cars and faired nicely through the track. Jacky Ickx drove his 312B2 at this Monaco Grand Prix Historique 2022 and drove it pretty well through the track.

Leclercs LF brake pad broke up on brake application that sent him into a spin at the Rascasse corner. There are pics showing pieces of the brake pad breaking into pieces.

[Toothlessrage*]

Leclercs LF brake pad broke up on brake application that sent him into a spin at the Rascasse corner. There are pics showing pieces of the brake pad breaking into pieces.

Most outlets are having a field day with the crash, mentioning that Leclerc is an accident-prone driver.

[ferrari1.8t]

Leclercs LF brake pad broke up on brake application that sent him into a spin at the Rascasse corner. There are pics showing pieces of the brake pad breaking into pieces.

Yup. It wasn’t driver error. Yet people online want to crucify Leclerc for it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pictured-the-broken-brake-disc-that-caused-leclercs-monaco-crash/10305383/

[SS454]

Yup. It wasn’t driver error. Yet people online want to crucify Leclerc for it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pictured-the-broken-brake-disc-that-caused-leclercs-monaco-crash/10305383/

That's evidence enough for me. Thank you.

It's gotta be somewhat expected for Leclerc to catch some for the crash given his history. But it's not fair when people focus only on his crashes, and ignore his successes. I gotta admit, I am kind of that way with Carlos Sainz right now. Rather than expecting him to have a great result, I almost expect the crash more.

[Kyss4k]

What optimism!

I call that "having a freaking nightmares about us not beating the living sh... turd out of Red Bull"

[Gilles]

I call that "having a freaking nightmares about us not beating the living sh... turd out of Red Bull"

Knowing where we come from, let's be patient. Who saw Ferrari at the top this year? Ok, Mercedes is doing badly, but RB with Verstapen remains super favourite. If Ferrari manages to beat them, it's huge, and for the moment, it's still possible, it's already great, isn't it?

[Liscia]

Knowing where we come from, let's be patient. Who saw Ferrari at the top this year? Ok, Mercedes is doing badly, but RB with Verstapen remains super favourite. If Ferrari manages to beat them, it's huge, and for the moment, it's still possible, it's already great, isn't it?

Well stated Gilles. Schadenfreund from the media was to be expected. Charles knows the truth and will sail past this bs.

[Gilles]

To put some color on this page and to say that Charles is not a liar
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/0RrjbyE0/s1000/niki-lauda-1.jpg

[RossTheBoss]

I call that "having a freaking nightmares about us not beating the living sh... turd out of Red Bull"
Well, then, you're not being realistic.

Red Bull are a serious F1 team and have aero innovation because of Newey. They have five titles for a reason. Beating them won't be easy.

I want Ferrari to win as much as anybody here, but rebuilding an F1 team that hit rock bottom ain't easy. Ferrari were 6th in the championship just two years ago, with a dog of a car, and we went winless for two and half years, so to come into this season and be winning races and near the top every week is a serious accomplishment.

When it comes to development, it's not how often you do it, it's how effective the updates are. Ferrari have plenty in the pipeline. New floor and defuser for Barcelona, new rear wing for Baku, I'd expect the new rear suspension around Austria or France, and then the MGU-K a little later. Let RBR throw a million updates at their car if they wish.

[Gilles]

Well, then, you're not being realistic.

Red Bull are a serious F1 team and have aero innovation because of Newey. They have five titles for a reason. Beating them won't be easy.

I want Ferrari to win as much as anybody here, but rebuilding an F1 team that hit rock bottom ain't easy. Ferrari were 6th in the championship just two years ago, with a dog of a car, and we went winless for two and half years, so to come into this season and be winning races and near the top every week is a serious accomplishment.

When it comes to development, it's not how often you do it, it's how effective the updates are. Ferrari have plenty in the pipeline. New floor and defuser for Barcelona, new rear wing for Baku, I'd expect the new rear suspension around Austria or France, and then the MGU-K a little later. Let RBR throw a million updates at their car if they wish.

And a new range of rear wings to reduce drag, especialy with opened DRS, right from Barcelona (it is urgent to stop the carnage)

[PURE PASSION]

Well , the season is long ,the cars are new ,so a lot can change through the year. Remember how we felt in after Australia and how almost everyone keep telling that things are looking even better for the next races and guest what?? Everything change !! So probably things could be better for us now or it still will be bad and start getting better after the summer break !!! There so many scenarios for this year all with equal possibilities for me . That's why I just wait t9 see how things will unfold through the year!!! Of course I will be quite disappointed if will keep behind the Bull's after our upgrades and I will be excited if we win clearly be being superior to them!!! BUT nevertheless I'll try to be calm and wait for later in the year if thongs start to clear otherwise the top and one team clearly be faster!!!

[RossTheBoss]

And a new range of rear wings to reduce drag, especialy with opened DRS, right from Barcelona (it is urgent to stop the carnage)
I'm not sure the team intend to introduce any new rear wing in Barcelona, but Baku and Canada for sure will see the LDW.

[Gilles]

I'm not sure the team intend to introduce any new rear wing in Barcelona, but Baku and Canada for sure will see the LDW.

Maybe this one, tested on the Monza track :
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/34523-Ferrari-F1-75-Discussion-Thread?p=1060398#post1060398

[PURE PASSION]

Well , the season is long ,the cars are new ,so a lot can change through the year. Remember how we felt in after Australia and how almost everyone keep telling that things are looking even better for the next races and guest what?? Everything change !! So probably things could be better for us now or it still will be bad and start getting better after the summer break !!! There so many scenarios for this year all with equal possibilities for me . That's why I just wait t9 see how things will unfold through the year!!! Of course I will be quite disappointed if will keep behind the Bull's after our upgrades and I will be excited if we win clearly be being superior to them!!! BUT nevertheless I'll try to be calm and wait for later in the year if things start to clear over the top and one team clearly be faster!!!

[Kyss4k]

Well, then, you're not being realistic.

Red Bull are a serious F1 team and have aero innovation because of Newey. They have five titles for a reason. Beating them won't be easy.

I want Ferrari to win as much as anybody here, but rebuilding an F1 team that hit rock bottom ain't easy. Ferrari were 6th in the championship just two years ago, with a dog of a car, and we went winless for two and half years, so to come into this season and be winning races and near the top every week is a serious accomplishment.

When it comes to development, it's not how often you do it, it's how effective the updates are. Ferrari have plenty in the pipeline. New floor and defuser for Barcelona, new rear wing for Baku, I'd expect the new rear suspension around Austria or France, and then the MGU-K a little later. Let RBR throw a million updates at their car if they wish.

Well... We are Ferrari.

[Gilles]

Well... We are Ferrari.

Ready for a recover with the updates?

[Lapo]

Knowing where we come from, let's be patient. Who saw Ferrari at the top this year? Ok, Mercedes is doing badly, but RB with Verstapen remains super favourite. If Ferrari manages to beat them, it's huge, and for the moment, it's still possible, it's already great, isn't it?

Great post Gilles. Logic is hard to find on fan forums 👍

[SFTifoso]

Great post Gilles. Logic is hard to find on fan forums ��

We all wish Ferrari could win every race. For me it’s just the love I have for this Scuderia, but I do get down when we come in 2nd.

[Tony]

Yup. It wasn’t driver error. Yet people online want to crucify Leclerc for it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pictured-the-broken-brake-disc-that-caused-leclercs-monaco-crash/10305383/

Luckily he didn't get hurt, that could have ended much worse!

[nani_s23]

Haas:
#AMuS Haas managed to get into Q3 despite no upgrades.
Steiner: "Where have the others gone who came here with half-new cars? We achieved more than them despite no upgrades. That's called efficiency!"
#AMuS Haas had a small invisible upgrade. The floors of both cars were reinforced, which resulted into no porpoising
Steiner was amused: "We were able to go lower & lower with the ride height, and the cars became faster and faster. The engineers could not believe it themselves"

AlfaRomeo
#AMuS Alfa Romeo brought a big upgrade to Barcelona. It was the second big upgrade of the season. On paper the upgrade was set to give the team four tenths which it did.

Ferrari/Mercs/RB:
Telemetry analysis from Qualifying:
Mercedes and Red Bull were faster on the straights than Ferrari.
Russell was -0.123s and Verstappen -0.080s on Charles from the start-finish line up to Turn 1.
Ferrari’s strongest sections are Turn 4 and Turn 10, each gaining 1 tenth.

[aroutis]

Most outlets are having a field day with the crash, mentioning that Leclerc is an accident-prone driver.
Should we care ?
Most outlets, hate Ferrari.

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1528762573834919937?t=QKt4ny9jnpGT67BCc50IgQ&s=19

Interesting

[ferrari1.8t]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1528762573834919937?t=QKt4ny9jnpGT67BCc50IgQ&s=19

Interesting

Big “IF” everyone plays fair. Which we know won’t be the case. Horner is already crying for more money and Toto/Merc are crooks. Ferrari is supposedly onboard with the increase, strange as they’ve been for the cap and policing/maintaining it. Let’s see how it all plays out.

[Gilles]

I'm deporting this discussion here so as not to go off topic with the SF75 thread :
Some may think I'm being tough on Carlos, but I mostly think he's badly adviced. RB has already asked Perez (while better placed than Carlos in the championship) to give victory to Verstapen in Spain. If Ferrari had done this to Carlos, it would have been terrible for him. But as RB does, it will be necessary to take a position as well, and Carlos' state of mind does not really go in this direction, it seems to me

[Toothlessrage*]

I'm deporting this discussion here so as not to go off topic with the SF75 thread :
Some may think I'm being tough on Carlos, but I mostly think he's badly adviced. RB has already asked Perez (while better placed than Carlos in the championship) to give victory to Verstapen in Spain. If Ferrari had done this to Carlos, it would have been terrible for him. But as RB does, it will be necessary to take a position as well, and Carlos' state of mind does not really go in this direction, it seems to me

Carlos definitely needs to get his act together.
He is definitely talented, without a doubt.
Though, I assume that he still has the mindset of beating Charles so much so that it leads him to make mistakes.
On the other hand, he just might not have gotten used to this year's machine.

This is where Mattia must put his foot down because it's either overcoming RBR (& Perez) or risking both the titles.
It might be tough for Carlos, but it's best for the team's aspirations.

[Brembo]

Ferrari needs to let both drivers know that there's no Team orders , there both O K to go for the win. It worked for Charles against Seb.

[Gilles]

Ferrari needs to let both drivers know that there's no Team orders , there both O K to go for the win. It worked for Charles against Seb.

You forget they weren't fighting for titles.
Moreover, there is nothing to make working, Charles was simply faster than Seb as he is faster than Carlos

[Tony]

I'm deporting this discussion here so as not to go off topic with the SF75 thread :
Some may think I'm being tough on Carlos, but I mostly think he's badly adviced. RB has already asked Perez (while better placed than Carlos in the championship) to give victory to Verstapen in Spain. If Ferrari had done this to Carlos, it would have been terrible for him. But as RB does, it will be necessary to take a position as well, and Carlos' state of mind does not really go in this direction, it seems to me

Perez wasn't too happy about what happened last race, hopefully that will create a little instability in the team!

[Gilles]

Perez wasn't too happy about what happened last race, hopefully that will create a little instability in the team!

I fear that instability is much more possible at Ferrari, because Perez knows that RB does not ask him to compete with Max but to protect Max. RB's statements that Carlos was better or on par with Charles were just the start of an attempt to destabilize. They are smart at RB, they knew who their opponents would be and where they would be vulnerable.

[Brembo]

I fear that instability is much more possible at Ferrari, because Perez knows that RB does not ask him to compete with Max but to protect Max. RB's statements that Carlos was better or on par with Charles were just the start of an attempt to destabilize. They are smart at RB, they knew who their opponents would be and where they would be vulnerable.

Carlos proved them right on the money this time @ Monaco! Points count!!! No matter from which driver. Charles was allowed to out and did 4x Seb. @ Ferrari. Saintz needs the same O K .

[JPZ]

Could Perez now being a champion contender 'destabilise' Red Bull?

[Greig]

Could Perez now being a champion contender 'destabilise' Red Bull?

He would have been told to move if Max was behind him...so no.

[FerrariF60]

Could Perez now being a champion contender 'destabilise' Red Bull?

perez knows his role at red bull (dedicated #2 driver with the occasional win when fish lips, i mean Max has a bad day at teh office) ......unlike our situation with Carlos, which is more of a "gray" area.....but we ALL know that he's NO match for Leclerc and that is no way he'll be a WDC contender so long as Leclerc is there

[Gilles]

perez knows his role at red bull (dedicated #2 driver with the occasional win when fish lips, i mean Max has a bad day at teh office) ......unlike our situation with Carlos, which is more of a "gray" area.....but we ALL know that he's NO match for Leclerc and that is no way he'll be a WDC contender so long as Leclerc is there

I don't know if Carlos is capable of having this point of view.
I knew in advance that he was going to say that he could have won, just as I knew in advance that he would not have a word for Charles.
On the other hand, he surprised me by saying that finally Checo deserved this victory since he had been unlucky before.
But it wasn't free, this guy only thinks of himself
In the meantime, once again, Ferrari has ruined Charles' home race, it's at least the third time and it's lamentable

[Brembo]

perez knows his role at red bull (dedicated #2 driver with the occasional win when fish lips, i mean Max has a bad day at teh office) ......unlike our situation with Carlos, which is more of a "gray" area.....but we ALL know that he's NO match for Leclerc and that is no way he'll be a WDC contender so long as Leclerc is there

ALL except me! Let them race each other. That's again I say how Charles took Seb out. WCC is where it's at!

[Gilles]

Stop your comedy, Carlos was never at Charles' level this year, without team pit mistake(s), he would never have kept pace with Charle, like in Q3, like at the start of the race, like all the races so far this year

[gmpe23]

Stop your comedy, Carlos was never at Charles' level this year, without team pit mistake(s), he would never have kept pace with Charle, like in Q3, like at the start of the race, like all the races so far this year

+1

[paolo lalli]

Max is the number one driver they have paid a kings ransom to retain him, Red bull have one mission and that is to deliver max back to back championships,perez will not be allowed to destabilise the team.The only way perez will come into play is to totally out perform max I do not see this happening, the other way is that something major happens to max on race days possible but unlikely.The way its shaping up, with ferrari blunders it's pointing to back to back titles with this current pattern.

[jgonzalesm6]

Checo Perez signs an extension contract with RedBull....till 2024.

[Brembo]

Stop your comedy, Carlos was never at Charles' level this year, without team pit mistake(s), he would never have kept pace with Charle, like in Q3, like at the start of the race, like all the races so far this year


Given the go ahead @ Merc Russell is now #1 there! George was ; is never at Lewis level. They let him race!! Carlos needs the same respect and a real car.

[JPZ]

Given the go ahead @ Merc Russell is now #1 there! George was ; is never at Lewis level. They let him race!! Carlos needs the same respect and a real car.

Russel has been out-qualifying Hamilton and finishing almost every race above him in position.

[FerrariF60]

Given the go ahead @ Merc Russell is now #1 there! George was ; is never at Lewis level. They let him race!! Carlos needs the same respect and a real car.

Carlos HAS a real car....he just can't outperform his teammate in the same machinery, he gets beaten day in day out, at every quali and race....(when of course ferrari dont' botch Leclercs strategy....as he should have won Monaco)

same goes for Russel....he beats your beloved Hamilton at every race, IN THE SAME MACHINERY.....Lewis has been schhooled by Russel at every race this year....enough with the excuses....he IS BETTER then the FAKE GOAT Hamilton

[jgonzalesm6]

Russel has been out-qualifying Hamilton and finishing almost every race above him in position.


Carlos HAS a real car....he just can't outperform his teammate in the same machinery, he gets beaten day in day out, at every quali and race....(when of course ferrari dont' botch Leclercs strategy....as he should have won Monaco)

same goes for Russel....he beats your beloved Hamilton at every race, IN THE SAME MACHINERY.....Lewis has been schhooled by Russel at every race this year....enough with the excuses....he IS BETTER then the FAKE GOAT Hamilton

yep, Russell is 7 for 7 in bringing that W13 within P5 or better in every race.

Lewis is making contradictoring statements about the W13 with regards to what his team-mate is doing.

[Brembo]

Russel has been out-qualifying Hamilton and finishing almost every race above him in position.

That's because Lewis allowed his super unbeatable rocket car to be given over to George to let George know he's welcomed with open arms!! Most every fan here always said any driver in Lewis' car would win races. George Coming in 4th & 5th is Lewis gift to George and the team. 100 s of millions $$$$ in the bank is calming for anyone!!! Had Masi not beat him out of that #8 WDC Lewis would probably have left town on his jet plane!! :rotfl Meanwhile back @ Ferrari; Charles is the # 1 driver so far, I just hate team orders! Just ask Sergio!!!:rotfl

[aroutis]

Given the go ahead @ Merc Russell is now #1 there! George was ; is never at Lewis level. They let him race!! Carlos needs the same respect and a real car.

George shot his warning shot when he demolished Bottas at that one off race.
Now he is just ruining your precious paper goat.

How does it feel?

[JPZ]

George shot his warning shot when he demolished Bottas at that one off race.
Now he is just ruining your precious paper goat.

How does it feel?

Yes, as most of us here said at the time.

Even though the cockpit and seat weren't made for him and the pedals were too small and he had to use boots a size smaller, and had hardly driven the car, he was still faster than Bottas, and would have most likely won the race if not for the pit-stop mess-up.

[wisepie]

Yes, as most of us here said at the time.

Even though the cockpit and seat weren't made for him and the pedals were too small and he had to use boots a size smaller, and had hardly driver the car, he was still faster than Bottas, and would have most likely won the race if not for the pit-stop mess-up.

Thanks for reminding me that it's not just Ferrari who can ruin a driver's race with pit-stops! Most of us still feel really sore about the Monaco debacle.:-E

[Brembo]

George shot his warning shot when he demolished Bottas at that one off race.
Now he is just ruining your precious paper goat.

How does it feel?

I feel like both Sir Lewis and Toto are making sure Russell knows he will be treated fairly. Just like back in the day Austria 2002 , Rubens getting the Todt phone call!!!! Let Michael pass!! :rotfl

[stefa]

Can mod PLEASE STOP THE FUDGIN TROLL!!!!!!¡

[SilverSpeed]

Can mod PLEASE STOP THE FUDGIN TROLL!!!!!!¡

Agree, don't know what the ate today but enough is enough.

[Brembo]

George shot his warning shot when he demolished Bottas at that one off race.
Now he is just ruining your precious paper goat.

How does it feel?

It feels good to see Sir Lewis not demanding "Todt" team orders like back in the day. Forget George; Masi did the job on the GOAT. It was for sure going to be 8!!!! Sir Lewis has for sure $800 million reasons to chill and just keep racing and give George the chance to do good.

[458 Italia]

Can mod PLEASE STOP THE FUDGIN TROLL!!!!!!¡

He's really gone off on one today! :roll

[Gilles]

It feels good to see Sir Lewis not demanding "Todt" team orders like back in the day. Forget George; Masi did the job on the GOAT. It was for sure going to be 8!!!! Sir Lewis has for sure $800 million reasons to chill and just keep racing and give George the chance to do good.

It's the spanking year for Lewis so far
Your capacity for unlikely romanced stories is confusing
What's in your wine?

[Gilles]

Can mod PLEASE STOP THE FUDGIN TROLL!!!!!!¡

Blocked for 20 years...
It's not a moderator we need but an exorcist:-E

[paolo lalli]

Budget cap high on the agenda penalties can not be avoided by all teams.Well they wanted to bring the racing a lot closer and this has probably done just that. Iam in favour of the cap remaining as they say you must learn to wee with what you have.Increasing the cap only defeats the purpose I would like to see mid field teams gain points and revenue at the expense of others.

[Tony]

Budget cap high on the agenda penalties can not be avoided by all teams.Well they wanted to bring the racing a lot closer and this has probably done just that. Iam in favour of the cap remaining as they say you must learn to wee with what you have.Increasing the cap only defeats the purpose I would like to see mid field teams gain points and revenue at the expense of others.

I think the problem is to achieve the cap, they'll have to start firing people, across multiple teams, which isn't fun for those being terminated...

[paolo lalli]

All businesses do exactly that its called Rationalising the business to keep it above water.For this season f1 will treat it as a yearly business see what happens and any adjustments will be made next year.Survival of the fittest just like a shark tank.

[aroutis]

It feels good to see Sir Lewis not demanding "Todt" team orders like back in the day. Forget George; Masi did the job on the GOAT. It was for sure going to be 8!!!! Sir Lewis has for sure $800 million reasons to chill and just keep racing and give George the chance to do good.

Your post (per usual) makes zero sense.

[aroutis]

I think the problem is to achieve the cap, they'll have to start firing people, across multiple teams, which isn't fun for those being terminated...

RBR has been updating their package like idiots. I would not get it past them that they're almost past the budget cap or at the very least they're closing to the limit and we're not even at the 10th race.
Imagine raising the limit, what that will do is clapping our hands and rewarding them; how idiotic that would be?
On the other hand Ferrari has been cautious, bringing a major update so far and projecting for the rest.
And there are other teams following similar practices.

I am of the opinion of sticking to the plan. It's time to see who plays by the rules and who feels that they can always get away with cheating because they're too big to fail.

[Brembo]

Your post (per usual) makes zero sense.

O K It's a fact that today vino is cheaper than gasoline, so.. "Drink! Don't Drive!"

[Brembo]

Carlos HAS a real car....he just can't outperform his teammate in the same machinery, he gets beaten day in day out, at every quali and race....(when of course ferrari dont' botch Leclercs strategy....as he should have won Monaco)

same goes for Russel....he beats your beloved Hamilton at every race, IN THE SAME MACHINERY.....Lewis has been schhooled by Russel at every race this year....enough with the excuses....he IS BETTER then the FAKE GOAT Hamilton

Winning 8WDCs [O K minus losing one to Masi] George and Carlos and throw in Charles have a way to go to better Sir Lewis' records. But.. there young enough so it may well happen.

[stefa]

Winning 8WDCs [O K minus losing one to Masi] George and Carlos and throw in Charles have a way to go to better Sir Lewis' records. But.. there young enough so it may well happen.

YOU FUDGING RETARD STOP TROLLING ABOUT LH AND MERCEDES!!!!

THIS IS FERRARI FORUM!!!

MODS PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TROLL!!!!!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Winning 8WDCs [O K minus losing one to Masi] George and Carlos and throw in Charles have a way to go to better Sir Lewis' records. But.. there young enough so it may well happen.

Not with a budget cap and not under the current rules and regulations that allow WAY WAY WAY WAY more parity amongst the teams.

It would have to be under a NEW formula with years in advancement and rules and regulations that tie the competitors hand behind their back with regards to engine development and a top team that spends over $400 million per year.

[SilverSpeed]

YOU FUDGING RETARD STOP TROLLING ABOUT LH AND MERCEDES!!!!

THIS IS FERRARI FORUM!!!

MODS PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TROLL!!!!!!!!


Agreed, where are the mods ? This has got to end!

[ferrari1.8t]

Agreed, where are the mods ? This has got to end!

I agree. Is there a petition we can sign or something?

[stefa]

I agree. Is there a petition we can sign or something?

YES!!!!!

[Brembo]

All businesses do exactly that its called Rationalising the business to keep it above water.For this season f1 will treat it as a yearly business see what happens and any adjustments will be made next year.Survival of the fittest just like a shark tank.

I can't imagine how tough it has to be for Haas money wise with regards to Mick wrecking his car.

[WS6TransAm01]

Agreed, where are the mods ?

Too busy erasing posts that can’t argue with facts.

[aroutis]

Winning 8WDCs [O K minus losing one to Masi] George and Carlos and throw in Charles have a way to go to better Sir Lewis' records. But.. there young enough so it may well happen.

IS THIS EVER GOING TO END ?
OR MAYBE DO WE ALL HAVE TO JUST FOLLOW SUIT AND TROLL LIKE BREMBO?

[Brembo]

LIKE BREMBO

[tpe]

Maybe it's time to find another Forum?

[paolo lalli]

We can only trust that the FIA accounts persons are honest and above board, other wise this will only become another act in the f1 circus.They must police and monitor the cap and come down hard on teams that break the rule.Suspension from races would be a great starting point as a deterant or removal of points let's get serious for once.

[JPZ]

How do the rules work this year with PU/engine development?

Are they allowed to develop the engine over the season?

And how does this apply to the 'engine freeze' over the next few years?

[Gilles]

How do the rules work this year with PU/engine development?

Are they allowed to develop the engine over the season?

And how does this apply to the 'engine freeze' over the next few years?

The freeze will run until the end of 2025
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/3-600x338.png

[JPZ]

The freeze will run until the end of 2025
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/3-600x338.png

Thanks!

[JPZ]

Philip Morris still have a 'partnership' with Ferrari:

Ferrari team boss Mattia Binotto spoke of the importance of retaining their partnership with Philip Morris International.

The association had looked in doubt during recent times, with Ferrari dropping the ‘Mission Winnow’ branding from their cars, title and sponsors list ahead of the 2022 season.

‘Mission Winnow’ is PMI’s initiative that served as the next evolution of their relationship with Ferrari, after Formula 1’s regulations surrounding tobacco advertising had brought an end to the long-standing Marlboro branding.

Binotto revealed though that the Ferrari-PMI partnership continues as Mission Winnow has returned as an official team partner under new terms.

“It’s important to know that it has been a long partnership with Philip Morris, and we are very proud of it, and very happy that it’s still lasting,” Binotto told Motorsport.com.

“That was the intention of the two parties, because after so many years, it was important to stay together.

“Yes, it has changed a bit in the way the partnership is set up, without going into too many details.

“But in the end, it’s more important to make sure that it was continued.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-mission-winnow-sponsorship-important/

[jgonzalesm6]

Philip Morris still have a 'partnership' with Ferrari:

Ferrari team boss Mattia Binotto spoke of the importance of retaining their partnership with Philip Morris International.

The association had looked in doubt during recent times, with Ferrari dropping the ‘Mission Winnow’ branding from their cars, title and sponsors list ahead of the 2022 season.

‘Mission Winnow’ is PMI’s initiative that served as the next evolution of their relationship with Ferrari, after Formula 1’s regulations surrounding tobacco advertising had brought an end to the long-standing Marlboro branding.

Binotto revealed though that the Ferrari-PMI partnership continues as Mission Winnow has returned as an official team partner under new terms.

“It’s important to know that it has been a long partnership with Philip Morris, and we are very proud of it, and very happy that it’s still lasting,” Binotto told Motorsport.com.

“That was the intention of the two parties, because after so many years, it was important to stay together.

“Yes, it has changed a bit in the way the partnership is set up, without going into too many details.

“But in the end, it’s more important to make sure that it was continued.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-mission-winnow-sponsorship-important/

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Brembo]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You just described F-1 ! Great post !

[Tony]

I have to wonder what Philip Morris get out of this if there is no visible sponsorship on either car and the name has been dropped from the team name??

[Brembo]

Probably a huge advertizing tax rightoff.

[KimiBot]

It starts to look like my nightmare, finally beating Mercs and then comes RB, but still so many races left, so we`ll see, we still have chance to fight championships, so I believe and hope.

1 RED BULL RACING RBPT 304
2 FERRARI 228
3 MERCEDES 188

[Brembo]

It starts to look like my nightmare, finally beating Mercs and then comes RB, but still so many races left, so we`ll see, we still have chance to fight championships, so I believe and hope.

1 RED BULL RACING RBPT 304
2 FERRARI 228
3 MERCEDES 188

Ferrari is right up there in the mix! Both the cars and the drivers need to be ready for the quali. and then ready for the race . There are 5 top drivers fighting hard, Naming them might be trolling!!:rotfl

[stefa]

Nice video
https://youtu.be/_GByFJjr1Fw

[Gilles]

Horner said they will not introduce a major update at Sylverstone. We hope that Ferrari will put its two cars ahead of Verstapen in the next 4 races to allow Leclerc to close the gap

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=Gilles;. We hope that Ferrari will put its two cars ahead of Verstapen in the next 4 races to allow Leclerc or Sainz to close the gap.

[paolo lalli]

Of course red bull will introduce nothing at Silverstone, just some body work tweaks i think there budget is under real pressure, that's why horner is barking continually to the fia and at the same time is white acting other teams to think the same and that the season can not be completed.What a load of rubbish stay the course fia I say and hold firm on the cap, this is what may allow the season to become interesting watching the power shifts amongst teams.I suspect a very strong ferrari at Silverstone and red bull lagging with a very much improved merc in the mirrors.

[jgonzalesm6]

Nelson Piquet is POSSIBLY in trouble with the F1 world and Lewis Hamilton.

I stress POSSIBLY because of the Portuguese translation. Piquet used a racial slur describing Lewis regarding the SilverstoneGP 2021 against the Lewis and Max incident. It was on Brazilian TV.

[Kyss4k]

Nelson Piquet is POSSIBLY in trouble with the F1 world and Lewis Hamilton.

I stress POSSIBLY because of the Portuguese translation. Piquet used a racial slur describing Lewis regarding the SilverstoneGP 2021 against the Lewis and Max incident. It was on Brazilian TV.

Soft, overly correct world where people don't have a freedom of speech anymore. It reminds me of communism in our country which our people fought hard to get rid of.

[ferrari1.8t]

F1 must be happy, now they have a reason to talk non-stop about hamilton again. And just intime for his home race….

[aroutis]

As much as I dislike Hamilton, that is not something that he should've done.

[ferrari1.8t]

As much as I dislike Hamilton, that is not something that he should've done.

Guilty until proven innocent? I’m not defending Piquet, however there is a language barrier and corporations like F1 shouldn’t jump to judgment until they know what’s going on. But hey, it’s 2022, wouldn’t have expected anything different.

[Kyss4k]

As much as I dislike Hamilton, that is not something that he should've done.

Oh come on...

[PURE PASSION]

I never liked NP and now looks like 2 evils have being united!!!
(Piques + Verstappens)

[Liscia]

Piquet just wanted to remind us all that he's still the same jerk he was when he was in F1?
A jerk recognizing a fellow jerk is the same as "the pot calling the kettle black"?
Sad to read about this but glad at the recent coverage of Mansell and what he's up to!

[tifosi1993]

The sooner these racist boomers will die off the better. No need for them to waste oxygen and pollute this planet with every breath they take.

And as for Max, well I guess he likes to mingle with scums. Guy is not man enough to denounce his girlfriend's father.

[jgonzalesm6]

It is interesting that Piquets interview took place in November of 2021...............and all of sudden, this issue is suddenly surfacing on the eve of the SilverstoneGP of 2022.

I'm not affluent in Brazilian Portuguese nor do I know the different dialects with the Brazilian Portuguese....but from what I am hearing from those who know the Brazilian Portuguese dialect, it's not so much racial as it is disrespectful. Now why didn't Piquet use Lewis's name is debateable when describing Lewis.

I think MercedesAMGF1 and F1, whom put out notices saying they do not condone racism after hearing about Piquets interview, should do more research about the Brazilian Portuguese dialect language to get a consensus of what Piquet was actually trying to say when using said remark.

Why are we hearing about this now......rather than when it actually took place back in November of 2021??? Maybe because of the eve of the SilverstoneGP 2022??? Maybe because Lewis isn't on the front of the media press and this story puts him back into the limelight???
Someone or the media is driving this narrative that's for sure.


Edit: This is what someone quoted who knows the Brazilian Portuguese dialect. I'm quoting here.

"neguinho" (in Brazil) and "negrito" (Spanish-speaking LatAm countries) are used as endearing terms between people of all races.

"Nego" can be used as "this guy" when mentioning an unknown person, as in, "this guy is dumb" -> "nego é parvo".

The way Nelson used the term in the video might be awkward (as he mentioned every pilot by their names and singled out Lewis as "neguinho") but initially it seems he was struggling to remember his name (he's saying the equivalent of "the... the... the..."), so "neguinho" ended up being the first thing it came to his mind. A little malicious perhaps but not in a full-blown racist way.

[Gilles]

I’m like you, wary of this controversy

[Liscia]

jgon I appreciate your thoughtful elucidation and agree that all parties should be given the benefits of doubts in this controversy
especially in the light of F1's often yellow journalism. That said, I haven't changed my opinion of the sour and rude Snr. Piquet

[paolo lalli]

Nelson who just a hasbeen an ill educated fool of no signicance, a proper stronzo. Its really not Nelsons fault he entered the world the way that he is, begone evil spirit.

[ferrari1.8t]

I’m like you, wary of this controversy

Yup, if he said it and meant it in a derogatory way he was wrong no question. But why dig up a comment from 7-8 months ago days before Hamilton’s home Grand Prix? Seems all to staged. Toto deemed Mercedes’ problems with porporising all gone, and Horner said Merc will be competitive in Silverstone. Will Hamilton; the poor oppressed baby overcome all odds and win his home gp? Its the kind of stuff that only happens in movies….or American fictional Netflix series.

[tifosi1993]

It is interesting that Piquets interview took place in November of 2021...............and all of sudden, this issue is suddenly surfacing on the eve of the SilverstoneGP of 2022.

I'm not affluent in Brazilian Portuguese nor do I know the different dialects with the Brazilian Portuguese....but from what I am hearing from those who know the Brazilian Portuguese dialect, it's not so much racial as it is disrespectful. Now why didn't Piquet use Lewis's name is debateable when describing Lewis.

I think MercedesAMGF1 and F1, whom put out notices saying they do not condone racism after hearing about Piquets interview, should do more research about the Brazilian Portuguese dialect language to get a consensus of what Piquet was actually trying to say when using said remark.

Why are we hearing about this now......rather than when it actually took place back in November of 2021??? Maybe because of the eve of the SilverstoneGP 2022??? Maybe because Lewis isn't on the front of the media press and this story puts him back into the limelight???
Someone or the media is driving this narrative that's for sure.


Edit: This is what someone quoted who knows the Brazilian Portuguese dialect. I'm quoting here.

"neguinho" (in Brazil) and "negrito" (Spanish-speaking LatAm countries) are used as endearing terms between people of all races.

"Nego" can be used as "this guy" when mentioning an unknown person, as in, "this guy is dumb" -> "nego é parvo".

The way Nelson used the term in the video might be awkward (as he mentioned every pilot by their names and singled out Lewis as "neguinho") but initially it seems he was struggling to remember his name (he's saying the equivalent of "the... the... the..."), so "neguinho" ended up being the first thing it came to his mind. A little malicious perhaps but not in a full-blown racist way.

The podcast was recorded 7 months ago but it was released this past Monday. He referred every driver by their names but called Hamilton "little blackey", as "inho" is diminutive.

But nice of you to act as his official spokesperson here. Sad but expected.

[jgonzalesm6]

The podcast was recorded 7 months ago but it was released this past Monday. He referred every driver by their names but called Hamilton "little blackey", as "inho" is diminutive.

But nice of you to act as his official spokesperson here. Sad but expected.

Your whole message is based on inferencing, supposition and lack-of-knowlege of the Brazilian language dialect. I'm glad to have "supposedly" disappoint you based on your lack thereof.

I've seen how you jump to your own conclusion and demean the poster on various topics on this forum. I would suggest a bit of humility on your part.

This was released on Brazilian TV on November 2021.

What makes you think I'm Piquet's "official spokesperson"??? We're talking about a language, unless your Brazilian, that so far, no one has a clue of what the actual word meant.......and as the quote stated, it was malicious but not a full blown racist way from a Brazilian perspective.

But you, along with the F1 media, are going to push this so called "racist narrative."

[jgonzalesm6]

jgon I appreciate your thoughtful elucidation and agree that all parties should be given the benefits of doubts in this controversy
especially in the light of F!'s often yellow journalism. That said, I haven't changed my opinion of the sour and rude Snr. Piquet

This is an actual nice post and I respect your opinion without being diminutive like some members on this forum.

Well said.

[Riccardog]

@jgonzalesm6... :thumb:clap thank you for level headedness!!!!!!!!!!!! and impartiality before judgement.

[Riccardog]

last post by me, as I will surely be labelled...or probably already have been...

LH, I think you are a dirty driver, a not nice person, self entitled and arrogant beyond count and measure....
response... it's because I'm black you are a Racist....
my response... no not a racist at all, I come from South Africa and have quite a few black and colored friends, it is because you are a hypocrite, you claim hardship in your career, when you have been hand-picked by the biggest CHEAT in F1 history, Ron Dennis.... at the age of what 9 years old to be groomed to come into F1... and when you did, your words, "I will not use the black card" and then when one ruling by stewards went against you you IMMEDIATELY screamed 'it's because I'm black'..... and the cheating merc team who made the hybrid rules with the fia.... and benefitted from +- 10 years of supremacy... you aligned with cheats, you are a CHEAT, nothing will ever change my opinion of you!

[jgonzalesm6]

@jgonzalesm6... :thumb:clap thank you for level headedness!!!!!!!!!!!! and impartiality before judgement.

Thank-You.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The sooner these racist boomers will die off the better. No need for them to waste oxygen and pollute this planet with every breath they take.


Man you're knee-deep into the Bluestater/Twatter/Guardian/Liebour/Remoaner talking points. Take a deep breath for heaven's sake :lol Yet I assume you supported the immoral and evil lockdowns to save the same people? In effect, the greatest transfer of wealth from the lower to higher classes in history under the guise of protecting boomers. Politicians of all sides pretend to care about 'being nice' or 'solving a problem' and then their only constituency once in power is the big money interests. Rinse and repeat. Voters fall for the same trick all over again every damn election cycle.

Piquet is a silly man but there's no need to throw an entire generation under the bus for what some elitist pig said on some random podcast.

It's probably also a good idea for wokies to have a little bit thicker skin and just ignore people like Piquet who don't deserve the attention. Political correctness and woke pearl-clutching is a lot bigger of a problem than silly people in their 70s talking bollocks. Corporate cringe like that is actually a worse evil. It allows the billionares to continue dividing the working and middle classes by pretending to be do-gooders on social issues while they badly screw everyone over with the neverending corporate greed. The result is further wealth transfers from the poor to the rich as people get off their guard by thinking the elites look out for marginalized groups or whatever.

The only people who like your kind of reaction are either useful idiots, people angling for culture war or rich people who can run out with the money through the back door while the masses are distracted by the latest thing some idiot said about something we're supposed to be really mad about. Please think about this in the future. The only way to unite humanity is to not highlight racist twats. Don't feed the trolls.

Rant over and I've nothing more to say on the matter :wave

[Riccardog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAf2zpxQJ_4

that is the way the world is going.... enjoy the song...

[evo_spook]

last post by me, as I will surely be labelled...or probably already have been...

LH, I think you are a dirty driver, a not nice person, self entitled and arrogant beyond count and measure....
response... it's because I'm black you are a Racist....
my response... no not a racist at all, I come from South Africa and have quite a few black and colored friends, it is because you are a hypocrite, you claim hardship in your career, when you have been hand-picked by the biggest CHEAT in F1 history, Ron Dennis.... at the age of what 9 years old to be groomed to come into F1... and when you did, your words, "I will not use the black card" and then when one ruling by stewards went against you you IMMEDIATELY screamed 'it's because I'm black'..... and the cheating merc team who made the hybrid rules with the fia.... and benefitted from +- 10 years of supremacy... you aligned with cheats, you are a CHEAT, nothing will ever change my opinion of you!

So you hate him not cause of his colour but for a load of imaginery BS reasons instead, sure what evermakes you think better about yourself :roll

I'm not sure anyone cares about you changing your opinion.

[Riccardog]

imaginary indeed....

[Vittorio]

Man you're knee-deep into the Bluestater/Twatter/Guardian/Liebour/Remoaner talking points. Take a deep breath for heaven's sake :lol Yet I assume you supported the immoral and evil lockdowns to save the same people? In effect, the greatest transfer of wealth from the lower to higher classes in history under the guise of protecting boomers. Politicians of all sides pretend to care about 'being nice' or 'solving a problem' and then their only constituency once in power is the big money interests. Rinse and repeat. Voters fall for the same trick all over again every damn election cycle.

Piquet is a silly man but there's no need to throw an entire generation under the bus for what some elitist pig said on some random podcast.

It's probably also a good idea for wokies to have a little bit thicker skin and just ignore people like Piquet who don't deserve the attention. Political correctness and woke pearl-clutching is a lot bigger of a problem than silly people in their 70s talking bollocks. Corporate cringe like that is actually a worse evil. It allows the billionares to continue dividing the working and middle classes by pretending to be do-gooders on social issues while they badly screw everyone over with the neverending corporate greed. The result is further wealth transfers from the poor to the rich as people get off their guard by thinking the elites look out for marginalized groups or whatever.

The only people who like your kind of reaction are either useful idiots, people angling for culture war or rich people who can run out with the money through the back door while the masses are distracted by the latest thing some idiot said about something we're supposed to be really mad about. Please think about this in the future. The only way to unite humanity is to not highlight racist twats. Don't feed the trolls.

Rant over and I've nothing more to say on the matter :wave

Your post may have been a rant, but it was an outstanding one. :-):thumb:thumb

Excellent analysis and so very true. Well done.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I suspect this page will probably not exist for much longer either way, there will be a lot of removed posts :-D

My takeaway is just 'don't trust the rich people when they claim they care about you'.

[FerrariF60]

I suspect this page will probably not exist for much longer either way, there will be a lot of removed posts :-D

My takeaway is just 'don't trust the rich people when they claim they care about you'.

exactly.....couldn't agree more with you

[ferrari1.8t]

I suspect this page will probably not exist for much longer either way, there will be a lot of removed posts :-D

Yup, it’s 2022 and if you have your own opinion you are automatically labelled a racist, bigot, and homophobic. What can you do.

Anyway, back to racing. Hoping for a strong race from us and a proper 1-2. A Verstappen DNF would help the cause as well lol.

[FerrariF60]

Yup, it’s 2022 and if you have your own opinion you are automatically labelled a racist, bigot, and homophobic. What can you do.

Anyway, back to racing. Hoping for a strong race from us and a proper 1-2. A Verstappen DNF would help the cause as well lol.

Yup a Max DNF would be more then welcomed....while we bag a 1-2 finish....let's hope this time it's HIM that dnf's as last race was Cheko

[jgonzalesm6]

Nelson Piquet's apologetic statement.

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1542121113655943169/photo/1

[tifosi1993]

Man you're knee-deep into the Bluestater/Twatter/Guardian/Liebour/Remoaner talking points. Take a deep breath for heaven's sake :lol Yet I assume you supported the immoral and evil lockdowns to save the same people? In effect, the greatest transfer of wealth from the lower to higher classes in history under the guise of protecting boomers. Politicians of all sides pretend to care about 'being nice' or 'solving a problem' and then their only constituency once in power is the big money interests. Rinse and repeat. Voters fall for the same trick all over again every damn election cycle.

Piquet is a silly man but there's no need to throw an entire generation under the bus for what some elitist pig said on some random podcast.

It's probably also a good idea for wokies to have a little bit thicker skin and just ignore people like Piquet who don't deserve the attention. Political correctness and woke pearl-clutching is a lot bigger of a problem than silly people in their 70s talking bollocks. Corporate cringe like that is actually a worse evil. It allows the billionares to continue dividing the working and middle classes by pretending to be do-gooders on social issues while they badly screw everyone over with the neverending corporate greed. The result is further wealth transfers from the poor to the rich as people get off their guard by thinking the elites look out for marginalized groups or whatever.

The only people who like your kind of reaction are either useful idiots, people angling for culture war or rich people who can run out with the money through the back door while the masses are distracted by the latest thing some idiot said about something we're supposed to be really mad about. Please think about this in the future. The only way to unite humanity is to not highlight racist twats. Don't feed the trolls.

Rant over and I've nothing more to say on the matter :wave

:rotfl

Dude, you live in Sweden, unless you're lying. Take a stool or a chair, stand on it and say all the mindless rambling and balderdash you'd like. No one would care. Most will laugh and some hillbilly inbred redneck would find you as their next messiah or something. Who knows. :lol

Clearly you're incapable of having any nuance discussion. You clearly don't know what "context" means. The context was: Piquet's abhorrent comment towards Hamilton and me wishing all the racist boomers to die off. (Have you noticed the word racist yet, cause I have highlighted it for your beady eyes) And here you are, coming up with a bunch of hogwash. "Lockdown", "wealth", "Woke" "Political correctness" etc etc. As if I said something bad about you or your family. Did I hit a raw nerve by calling out racists and wishing their demise, who knows, it seems I did. Yikes.

So take your medicine, spend some time with real people rather than your online "buddies" and calm down. "The people like me" are the present and the future. And we will shape the world our way. And if you think that's not the world for you, well, tough luck.

[tifosi1993]

Your whole message is based on inferencing, supposition and lack-of-knowlege of the Brazilian language dialect. I'm glad to have "supposedly" disappoint you based on your lack thereof.

I've seen how you jump to your own conclusion and demean the poster on various topics on this forum. I would suggest a bit of humility on your part.

This was released on Brazilian TV on November 2021.

What makes you think I'm Piquet's "official spokesperson"??? We're talking about a language, unless your Brazilian, that so far, no one has a clue of what the actual word meant.......and as the quote stated, it was malicious but not a full blown racist way from a Brazilian perspective.

But you, along with the F1 media, are going to push this so called "racist narrative."

Man, you're consistent I will give you that. First you said that the "issue" is being highlighted all of a sudden. Which clearly isn't case, as it was pointed out to you that, the interview was made available only a couple of days ago.

Then you said that only Mercedes and Hamilton are upset and trying to use the "media". Which isn't the case ofcourse. Ferrari and 8 other F1 teams have joined the chorus & showed support, as it should be, but not Red Bull. I guess Red Bull and it's fans have something in common.

Rather doing your own foolhardy research about Portuguese. Why don't actually listen what people are saying, including Brazilian. Here: https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vner0g/nelson_piquet_sr_statement_via_motorsport/, and read the very first comment.

And for once, can't you admit that what has been said was awful and shouldn't have been said regardless. Or do you enjoy being the white knight for all the racist scums out there?

[jgonzalesm6]

Man, you're consistent I will give you that. First you said that the "issue" is being highlighted all of a sudden. Which clearly isn't case, as it was pointed out to you that, the interview was made available only a couple of days ago.

Then you said that only Mercedes and Hamilton are upset and trying to use the "media". Which isn't the case ofcourse. Ferrari and 8 other F1 teams have joined the chorus & showed support, as it should be, but not Red Bull. I guess Red Bull and it's fans have something in common.

Rather doing your own foolhardy research about Portuguese. Why don't actually listen what people are saying, including Brazilian. Here: https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vner0g/nelson_piquet_sr_statement_via_motorsport/, and read the very first comment.

And for once, can't you admit that what has been said was awful and shouldn't have been said regardless. Or do you enjoy being the white knight for all the racist scums out there?

The hypocrite is F1 and everyone who's come on-board on this so called "racial slur."

Give me a break!!!1

F1 races in Middle East countries where "womens rights" have no place in their culture, the LBGTQ community would be DEAD if it existed in said country(ies), "racial inequality" does exist in said country(ies) and in China where concerntration camps exist for the Uyghurs.

The #WeRaceAsOne logo in 2021????...............please.

Once you introduce the "Political Correctness" in F1, you go down a very slippery slope and these PC issues will pop up from time to time if you let some of the drivers dictate what that PC is in said country.

Nelson apologized and made his statement on said issue......now everyone must deal with it and move on.

Why should RedBull show support for a language they have no idea what that language is. Btw, RedBull cancelled Juri Vips for using a racial slur during a gaming sim. Vips has been cancelled from the F1 community, whom Vips apologized for using the racial slur.

[Tifoso Svedese]

:rotfl

Dude, you live in Sweden, unless you're lying. Take a stool or a chair, stand on it and say all the mindless rambling and balderdash you'd like. No one would care. Most will laugh and some hillbilly inbred redneck would find you as their next messiah or something. Who knows. :lol

Clearly you're incapable of having any nuance discussion. You clearly don't know what "context" means. The context was: Piquet's abhorrent comment towards Hamilton and me wishing all the racist boomers to die off. (Have you noticed the word racist yet, cause I have highlighted it for your beady eyes) And here you are, coming up with a bunch of hogwash. "Lockdown", "wealth", "Woke" "Political correctness" etc etc. As if I said something bad about you or your family. Did I hit a raw nerve by calling out racists and wishing their demise, who knows, it seems I did. Yikes.

So take your medicine, spend some time with real people rather than your online "buddies" and calm down. "The people like me" are the present and the future. And we will shape the world our way. And if you think that's not the world for you, well, tough luck.

Mate you know a lot about F1 but besides that...

Damn u mad bruh? :-E

The woke plantation is some sad stuff. I've got love for people no matter their colour and I don't need to prove it to anyone. I condemn Piquet's racist remarks without any hesitation. He could've used any other insult instead if he didn't want to say Lewis' name, but went for the racial one. That's just dumb.

Forza Ferrari and have a 1-2 this weekend with our two lads who refused to bend the knee to the woke mob atop the podium :clap

[Brembo]

I speak fluent Brazilian Portuguese. Piquet knew that using that term for Lewis was not correct. Intentional Common street talk at the wrong time. Meanwhile Lewis is loved in Brazil by millions! Piquet better be careful !!

[Gilles]

I don’t know if N’s comments reflect its racism, its clumsiness or its stupidity, but I see that it has divided here
It is likely that he does not have the best mentality, as is often the case in this world of f1
So let’s go for a Charles win now, plus I’m convinced he’s a good person

[Tifoso Svedese]

I speak fluent Brazilian Portuguese

Is that why Brembão loves Rubens so much? :-D

[FerrariF60]

Is that why Brembão loves Rubens so much? :-D

BINGO!!!!!!

[Riccardog]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-confirm-2022-fuel-temperature-engine-changes/

I am so desperately bored by these regulations... I want to see fast cars racing... can someone here explain to me what these rules are in aid of? to improve racing? or to confuse people who have no engineering experience?

is there no open forum to ask the FIA what the aim is of these confusing rules is? and why they are needed?

[Brembo]

BINGO!!!!!!

And Massa; and SENNA !

[jgonzalesm6]

Okay, as if Bernie hasn't gone off the deep end,, he's really over it by his defence on his friend (whom he will take a bullet for) Putin. :-E:-E:-E :roll

[Liscia]

That came as no surprise to me as Bernie the Ecc and his self-departed cohort Max Mosely always revered fellow fascists.

[Brembo]

Bernie there will be 5 races in the USA soon and have an ambulance ready!

[JPZ]

Yup, if he said it and meant it in a derogatory way he was wrong no question. But why dig up a comment from 7-8 months ago days before Hamilton’s home Grand Prix? Seems all to staged. Toto deemed Mercedes’ problems with porporising all gone, and Horner said Merc will be competitive in Silverstone. Will Hamilton; the poor oppressed baby overcome all odds and win his home gp? Its the kind of stuff that only happens in movies….or American fictional Netflix series.

Perfect timing for the British GP!

[Kyss4k]

Okay, as if Bernie hasn't gone off the deep end,, he's really over it by his defence on his friend (whom he will take a bullet for) Putin. :-E:-E:-E :roll

Well if he means that for real... I say let him do so.

[nani_s23]

The FIA will now rigidly enforce the 2mm floor stiffness tolerance, after suspicions emerged that some teams were pushing the limits of floor flexing.

A few teams, including Mercedes and McLaren, have welcomed this move.


RB & Ferrari says Mercs is trying hard to push for rule change.

[gump1480]

Off Topic: Play and Earn!! for more details --> OKBET (https://naamusiq.com/different-sports-events-to-bet-online.html/)

Can such fellows be banned by moderator please.

[tpe]

Have you seen the video with Leclerc and Binoto having a dinner at Monaco?
Do you think that Binoto looked unhappy, to say the least and Leclerc too much on a hurry?

I really hope that this relationship is not broken.

[jgonzalesm6]

Have you seen the video with Leclerc and Binoto having a dinner at Monaco?
Do you think that Binoto looked unhappy, to say the least and Leclerc too much on a hurry?

I really hope that this relationship is not broken.

The video was posted 2x at the BritishGP race thread..............but don't worry about it. All is good internally with Ferrari F1. It's peaches and cream. We haven't seen this type of whole-heartedness, all-is-good relationship inside Ferrari in decades. We have a fortuitous and fruitfull winning team with no issues.

[FerrariF60]

The video was posted 2x at the BritishGP race thread..............but don't worry about it. All is good internally with Ferrari F1. It's peaches and cream. We haven't seen this type of whole-heartedness, all-is-good relationship inside Ferrari in decades. We have a fortuitous and fruitfull winning team with no issues.

somehow i smell some sarcasm in your post....LOL

[tpe]

Me too

[Brembo]

Carlos @127 just 11 pts. behind Charles 138! The incentive to win is there for both big time! And our team now @ 265 pts. with 3 wins. The races are well worth watching; there's hope for Ferrari. Binotto needs to watch the races from home!:rotfl Russell running over to check on Zhou was truly the sign of a true good guy! He ended his race doing so. The best to him!

[Riccardog]

I found this interesting article via Sportfusion F1 News - I thought you might like it:
http://go.newsfusion.com/f1-news/item/9314105

Binotto you bum, how the he'll can we believe you...

[JPZ]

Ferrari will be using the original Prancing Horse emblem design from 1932 on the cars today and for the race.

[Greig]

Ferrari will be using the original Prancing Horse emblem design from 1932 on the cars today and for the race.

Looks good, should keep it :-)

[458 Italia]

Marko wants rule change after Hamilton radio message

https://www.planetf1.com/news/helmut-marko-rule-change-lewis-hamilton-radio-message/

I'm inclined to agree that coaching should be banned, would need to be more refined in what's being proposed here though.

[JPZ]

Looks good, should keep it :-)

:-)

https://images2.corriereobjects.it/methode_image/socialshare/2022/07/09/86784176-ff74-11ec-a15c-229c03190307.jpg

[Greig]

Brundle drives the Benetton B192


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3PAiGRhCY

[jgonzalesm6]

It’s happening…

The Kyalami GP will happen in 2023.

Apparently DHL and F1 have signed a 5 year contract to ship cargo to South Africa.

[gump1480]

I don't clearly understand this article: Does it mean that the Mercedes trick of splitting the floor into 2 remains even after the Belgium TD implementation whereas the flexi-floor thing gets banned ?

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/843071/Toto_Wolff_accuses_rivals_of_8216tricks8217_as__Fe rrari_and_Red_Bull_set_for_massive_setback_amid_ch eating_allegations/

[jgonzalesm6]

Banco Santander quits sponsoring soccer (football) and focuses on Sainz.........................:Hmm

[Stingray]

It’s happening…

The Kyalami GP will happen in 2023.

Apparently DHL and F1 have signed a 5 year contract to ship cargo to South Africa.

Finally! We can't wait for this to materialize! Long overdue!

[Gilles]

Banco Santander quits sponsoring soccer (football) and focuses on Sainz.........................:Hmm

Hummm...
Have we tried to help them to make this decision?
Then there is no reason anymore now to favour Carlos...

[FerrariF60]

Hummm...
Have we tried to help them to make this decision?
Then there is no reason anymore now to favour Carlos...

If this whole fiasco rumour that Santander impose that Carlos to be favoriting over Charles.....then that is JUST SAD from Ferrari’s point of view if they were in it too....

Let’s hope that it was just that, rumour

[Greig]

Santader sponsor Ferrari not Carlos.

[Gilles]

Santader sponsor Ferrari not Carlos.

However, they sponsor Ferrari when a Spanish driver is there
And Sylverstone as the Austria were races (sprint race at least) where the willingness to make Carlos pass in front of Charles was clearly visible

[nani_s23]

Mercedes has halved the gap at the start of the season vis-à-vis Ferrari and Red Bull. The German PU was the most penalized by the height of the Red Bull Ring. After the summer break, Phase 3 of the PU will arrive with good earnings

@Formula1uno

[Greig]

However, they sponsor Ferrari when a Spanish driver is there
And Sylverstone as the Austria were races (sprint race at least) where the willingness to make Carlos pass in front of Charles was clearly visible

Apart from telling Carlos to move over for Charles.....

[nani_s23]

#AMus reports that Red Bull are trying to bring their next upgrade to Paul Ricard, but it is not certain yet whether everything will be ready in time.

[Brembo]

However, they sponsor Ferrari when a Spanish driver is there
And Sylverstone as the Austria were races (sprint race at least) where the willingness to make Carlos pass in front of Charles was clearly visible

Did Austria 2002 bother you as much? :rotfl Stop Rubenizing Carlos. He may very well be the WDC if left to race in peace!!

[RossTheBoss]

#AMus reports that Red Bull are trying to bring their next upgrade to Paul Ricard, but it is not certain yet whether everything will be ready in time.
Either Red Bull are running a setup in preparation for the TD coming in Spa, or their updates sent them backwards.

Ferrari's Silverstone package was a huge step forward like Mercedes was for them last year (and this year). It should be competitive at Paul Ricard and Hungary. Straight line speed is good and the cornering advantage is back.

[Gilles]

Apart from telling Carlos to move over for Charles.....

That’s true, but to say that had no chance of impacting the result, while leaving Leclerc alone with old hard tires was sure to cause him to lose
Saying something is one thing, acts (or not to act) is another much more important thing

[Gilles]

Did Austria 2002 bother you as much? :rotfl Stop Rubenizing Carlos. He may very well be the WDC if left to race in peace!!

Hahaha!
Button K1 vs tires management... and miss overtaking
It’d be funny if it didn’t hurt the team
Repeating your mantra has never had any effect other than to convince you alone

[stefa]

Hahaha!
Button K1 vs tires management... and miss overtaking
It’d be funny if it didn’t hurt the team
Repeating your mantra has never had any effect other than to convince you alone

Gilles, why bothering answering? You a just feeding THE TROLL! Put him on ignore list and job done!

[Gilles]

Gilles, why bothering answering? You a just feeding THE TROLL! Put him on ignore list and job done!

You're right mate

[Brembo]

Gilles, why bothering answering? You a just feeding THE TROLL! Put him on ignore list and job done!

By you two Trolls replacing Lewis with Carlos on your hate the driver list is TROLLING! at it's worse! Ferrari now has 2!!! great drivers. Get used to it. Santander $$$ @ Ferrari is a much needed great accomplishment if in fact Carlos has anything to do with it. Sfeta were you trying to say to adjust feeding or are just feeding? It's hrad tue undrestadn.

[Gilles]

From formula_statanalysis
https://i.redd.it/04ovzqb7w4b91.jpg

[458 Italia]

You're right mate

I feel much better after following the above advice! :thumb

[Cavallino]

From formula_statanalysis
https://i.redd.it/04ovzqb7w4b91.jpg

i'm surprised by Merc. And we're also not as bad as Dr. Death Marko would have you believe.

[Gilles]

Marko is a master of lies and manipulation
He spent the winter saying that Sainz had demistifie Leclerc and that he could be champion
We can see the reality on the track...
The interesting thing is that it is possible to identify what he fears
We also have a Full Troll on this forum, saying the same and also lying, but unlike Marko we can’t discern the interest he may have to say all these stupid things
If he is not Marko himself, he shoulld be an irrational case:-)

[Toothlessrage*]

Marko is a master of lies and manipulation
He spent the winter saying that Sainz had demistifie Leclerc and that he could be champion
We can see the results on the track...
The interesting thing is that it is possible to identify what he fears
We also have a Full Troll on this forum, saying the same and also lying, but unlike Marko we can’t discern the interest he may have to say all these stupid things
If he is not Marko himself, he shoulld be an irrational case:-)

I agree!
Marko is unbearable.

[RossTheBoss]

While there's been focus on Red Bull's development path, it is astonishing nobody has asked how it is possible for Mercedes to afford to develop like they have.

Two major sidepod designs, four floors, four rear wings, three front wings, two radiators, new front suspension, new rear suspension, and they're rumored to be bringing more upgrades after the summer break, including a PU3 and ERS.

No way are they not just spending whatever and ignoring the budget. Ferrari and everyone else should just ignore the cap. Clearly, it means nothing and will not be enforced.

[paolo lalli]

Toto and mercedes always manipulate the weak FIA they will do anything to get mercedes back into the pointy end of the races and winning again.Sore loosers who have been out developed with the new era.

[Riccardog]

Wolff: ‘Many team bosses that are one-trick ponies’

YES tonto, YOU ARE!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

Toto and mercedes always manipulate the weak FIA they will do anything to get mercedes back into the pointy end of the races and winning again.Sore loosers who have been out developed with the new era.

Its disgusting that the FIA continue to work behind the scenes with the crook Toto to make sure Hamilton and Mercedes are competitive. Every one of their championships is fake and tainted. Its unbelievable that they can start winning races and the crybaby might have a shot at another title because of Toto-FIA corruption.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-facing-rebellion-over-2023-f1-floor-changes/10341540/

A number of teams are especially fearful that the scope of the floor changes being introduced by the FIA are playing in to rival Mercedes’ hands – and the tweaks both this season and for 2023 are being framed in such a way that they could benefit the German car manufacturer.

There are also concerns that Mercedes has over-egged the porpoising problems that it has struggled to get on top of just so the FIA is forced to step in and change the rules.

One team boss said: “The changes are so extreme for 2023 because Mercedes claim that they have found 40% more downforce for next year, so they have urged the FIA to act. If Mercedes have genuinely done that, then you may as well hand them the world championship now.”

[ferrari1.8t]

While there's been focus on Red Bull's development path, it is astonishing nobody has asked how it is possible for Mercedes to afford to develop like they have.

Two major sidepod designs, four floors, four rear wings, three front wings, two radiators, new front suspension, new rear suspension, and they're rumored to be bringing more upgrades after the summer break, including a PU3 and ERS.

No way are they not just spending whatever and ignoring the budget. Ferrari and everyone else should just ignore the cap. Clearly, it means nothing and will not be enforced.

It is easy to do whatever you want when the FIA is in your back pocket. Rules dont apply to merc and never have. Rules only get created or altered to help them....

[JPZ]

Its disgusting that the FIA continue to work behind the scenes with the crook Toto to make sure Hamilton and Mercedes are competitive. Every one of their championships is fake and tainted. Its unbelievable that they can start winning races and the crybaby might have a shot at another title because of Toto-FIA corruption.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-facing-rebellion-over-2023-f1-floor-changes/10341540/

A number of teams are especially fearful that the scope of the floor changes being introduced by the FIA are playing in to rival Mercedes’ hands – and the tweaks both this season and for 2023 are being framed in such a way that they could benefit the German car manufacturer.

There are also concerns that Mercedes has over-egged the porpoising problems that it has struggled to get on top of just so the FIA is forced to step in and change the rules.

One team boss said: “The changes are so extreme for 2023 because Mercedes claim that they have found 40% more downforce for next year, so they have urged the FIA to act. If Mercedes have genuinely done that, then you may as well hand them the world championship now.”

It's astonishing how much say and influence Mercedes have in F1. It's getting ridiculous now.

If this goes ahead, they've basically had the rules redrawn to their own benefit, despite opposition from Red Bull and Ferrari.

[nani_s23]

It's astonishing how much say and influence Mercedes have in F1. It's getting ridiculous now.

If this goes ahead, they've basically had the rules redrawn to their own benefit, despite opposition from Red Bull and Ferrari.

Reply from Matia Binotto

There is no reason to classify it as a safety problem. Most teams have the bouncing under control. Fixed limits will be set for the race in Spa anyway. If the cars comply with the spec, they should also be safe.
And if there is no safety argument, the normal voting process must be followed when changing the rules."

Binotto also said that the new floor rules would be protested if they were pushed through so easily with the safety argument.

The FIA does not have to prove that it is a safety issue. However, in a civil court, it could be proved that safety is not at risk in this case.

expects a compromise that will reduce the bouncing issues but will also not lead to the 2023 car being completely changed. But time is running out. The new floor rules are on the agenda for a fax voting by the FIA World Council on 2 August.

[FerrariF60]

It's astonishing how much say and influence Mercedes have in F1. It's getting ridiculous now.

If this goes ahead, they've basically had the rules redrawn to their own benefit, despite opposition from Red Bull and Ferrari.

and ALL THIS, because Merc can't design a car properly without bouncing like a Kangaroo if their life depended on it, and now they're crying to the MIA....i mean FIA for help....

Ferrari and Red fools were able to design a car with minimal porpoising.....why should these TWO teams suffer due to the INCOMPETENCE from a crappy team called MERC

[ferrari1.8t]

and ALL THIS, because Merc can't design a car properly without bouncing like a Kangaroo if their life depended on it, and now they're crying to the MIA....i mean FIA for help....

Ferrari and Red fools were able to design a car with minimal porpoising.....why should these TWO teams suffer due to the INCOMPETENCE from a crappy team called MERC

I don’t think it is about the bouncing, they lied and made their bouncing seem worse than it really was to push a rule change that would benefit their car/floor design. The whole situation reeks of corruption. Let’s hope Ferrari finally puts its veto to use…there are many teams on our side with this one.

[ferrari1.8t]

It's astonishing how much say and influence Mercedes have in F1. It's getting ridiculous now.

If this goes ahead, they've basically had the rules redrawn to their own benefit, despite opposition from Red Bull and Ferrari.

Won’t be the first time they’ve have the rules drawn to their benefit…the whole turbo hybrid era was designed for them. Every rule change, tire compound change, td’s, air pressure limits, pit stop timing…all for them and baby Lulu.

[Kyss4k]

We have a veto. We should use it sometimes.

[ferrari1.8t]

Horner speaking facts:

“I think there’s an awful lot of lobbying to change regulations significantly for next year so a certain team can run its car lower and benefit from that concept, which, you know, it’s a very late point in the year to be doing this”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian-horner-significant-lobbying-from-mercedes/

[Greig]

We have a veto. We should use it sometimes.

FIA pushing it as a safety issue....can't veto.

[FerrariF60]

FIA pushing it as a safety issue....can't veto.

safety issue is a load of BULL....Merc should have designed a better car, NOT a Kangaroo....every team has a slight porpoising....but merc designed a TRUCK
they can raise the car 4 inchses and guess what, problems solved....

[Hornet]

Its really disturbing if the proposed changes could turn the performance order in Merc's favor.
We've already suffered many years of Merc dominance.

Now that Merc got the new car wrong and we see some great competition again, they want to go and ruin it.

Merc should just fix their own problem like everyone else, instead of getting race director fired or regulations changed each time the lose.

[Brembo]

Its really disturbing if the proposed changes could turn the performance order in Merc's favor.
We've already suffered many years of Merc dominance.

Now that Merc got the new car wrong and we see some great competition again, they want to go and ruin it.

Merc should just fix their own problem like everyone else, instead of getting race director fired or regulations changed each time the lose.

Masi should have been left alone???

[Kyss4k]

:pray Please rubber gods, spare the rubber on Ferrari tires and take RedBulls instead :pray

[RossTheBoss]

I keep seeing people defend Binotto, but attack the strategy team on Twitter.

I have to ask: what's stopping Binotto from firing the strategy team? It's easy to replace them and Rueda. Just bring some of the engineers from the back to help call the strategy, and give them a chance on the wall, where things can't really can't much worse.

The fact that Binotto won't make this obvious move speaks volumes about his own leadership.

[Brembo]

I keep seeing people defend Binotto, but attack the strategy team on Twitter.
The fact that Binotto won't make this obvious move speaks volumes about his own leadership.

The term leadership should never be used with the name Binotto! I will say he's got something going for him somewhere by still being @ Ferrari as a leader. Ferrari the team and fans are lucky Santander overlooked him!

[Tony]

Regarding Binotto, he delivered a fast car, he is now working on the other elements. He knew this was not a championship year, he over-delivered, he still has to work on the internal structure. The team is going in the right direction, some of you guys needs to relax a little. He knew this was not going to be a championship year because he undoubtedly knew there would be reliability issues given how much they pushed the envelope. If in 2 years time, we're still having the same discussion, then I will agree with you.

[Brembo]

Regarding Binotto, he delivered a fast car, he is now working on the other elements. He knew this was not a championship year, he over-delivered, he still has to work on the internal structure. The team is going in the right direction, some of you guys needs to relax a little. He knew this was not going to be a championship year because he undoubtedly knew there would be reliability issues given how much they pushed the envelope. If in 2 years time, we're still having the same discussion, then I will agree with you.

Far enough. I just want our current 2 drivers to stay with Ferrari and being competitive as they are now. It takes car and driver to be in the race big time.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari have come a very long way binotto called it this is not a championship year, but there will be race wins, so there no more to be said, the brief has been delivered to the letter.No need to destruct the reasons why and how, not important because ferrari will win a few more races this season no doubt.Red bull were that confident with there base that they actually started this years project last.Ferrari on the other hand was a whole new concept and with that comes inherent risks.Banking on a 1 and 2 finish in Hungary.

[JPZ]

Despite everything, I still think Ferrari is in the best shape since any year from 2008.

Also arguably have the strongest driver pairing in decades.

[SS454]

Easy way to shed accountability. Build a car that is capable of winning on every single track, sometimes having a dominant car, and have the fortune of not having Mercedes part of the battles, and if they lose he can fall back on his words of the titles not being Ferrari's aim?

It will still be a successful season in the grand scheme of things, but Ferrari have a car that can challenge for wins at pretty much every track, not just a few here and there, which means they had a legit chance at both championships. If Binotto didn't change their aim to make a genuine charge at the championships, then he should be replaced. If his and Ferrari's goals are to contend in 2023, then he must have access to a crystal ball and knows what the competition will bring to the table.

[Tony]

Easy way to shed accountability. Build a car that is capable of winning on every single track, sometimes having a dominant car, and have the fortune of not having Mercedes part of the battles, and if they lose he can fall back on his words of the titles not being Ferrari's aim?

It will still be a successful season in the grand scheme of things, but Ferrari have a car that can challenge for wins at pretty much every track, not just a few here and there, which means they had a legit chance at both championships. If Binotto didn't change their aim to make a genuine charge at the championships, then he should be replaced. If his and Ferrari's goals are to contend in 2023, then he must have access to a crystal ball and knows what the competition will bring to the table.

You're not considering the reliability issues that the engineering team no doubt accounted for. That's why the objective was not to win the title, you rarely win a title with an unreliable car.

[stefa]

Early weather forecast says it could rain Saturday and Sunday with only high as 25C at Hungaroring!?

BBC weather says:
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8064&stc=1
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8065&stc=1

[SS454]

You're not considering the reliability issues that the engineering team no doubt accounted for. That's why the objective was not to win the title, you rarely win a title with an unreliable car.

That's part of the development program. Unfortunately their PU department hasn't quite figured out all that quickly. I have less forgiveness for the abundance of mistakes.

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=paolo lalli;1067870]Ferrari have come a very long way binotto called it this is not a championship year, but there will be race wins, so there no more to be said, the brief has been delivered to the letter.No need to destruct the reasons why and how, not important because ferrari will win a few more races this season no doubt.

A few more wins will be great!!After each win Binotto will admit the win. Next thing he will say is 2023 is Ferrari's chance. After each race Binotto knows who won and who didn't.

[FerrariF60]

That's part of the development program. Unfortunately their PU department hasn't quite figured out all that quickly. I have less forgiveness for the abundance of mistakes.

Binotto said a few races ago that our goal this year is not the championship, is get some wins, some poles and then probably work on PU reliability and come back stronger next year....and surely the way the points tally are looking so far we have a slim to none chance at any championships this year

So Binotto knows bette mate, trust him for once

[Cavallino]

Binotto said a few races ago that our goal this year is not the championship, is get some wins, some poles and then probably work on PU reliability and come back stronger next year....and surely the way the points tally are looking so far we have a slim to none chance at any championships this year

So Binotto knows bette mate, trust him for once

he didn't just say it a few races ago, he called it before the start of this season, i think as far back as last year.

what they did to the Ferrari power unit in 2019 was draconian. and for the people that want to say Ferrari should be winning because they had a head start, well no, we were pegged back 3-5 years on that engine.

[Cavallino]

and while you're thinking about that, think about this

That engine didn't start going kaboom until the PU2 development was unleashed

Ferrari knew/knows that the basic design is bulletproof. And they could have just not upgraded and we'd be in a better position in the championship, possibly still leading if not much closer. But that would mean when Ferrari did try to upgrade, they'd start exploding, and we would have to deal with the explosions for the second half of the season or quite possibly until 2026!

[FerrariF60]

and while you're thinking about that, think about this

That engine didn't start going kaboom until the PU2 development was unleashed

Ferrari knew/knows that the basic design is bulletproof. And they could have just not upgraded and we'd be in a better position in the championship, possibly still leading if not much closer. But that would mean when Ferrari did try to upgrade, they'd start exploding, and we would have to deal with the explosions for the second half of the season or quite possibly until 2026!

I think Binotto is smart adn playing his cards right....now we have strongest engine among the manufacturers and hes gonna play the RELIABILITY card to the FIA....

me thinks that from next year ON we're gonna be the class of teh field in terms of PU....

i cannot wait, TEH GOOD DAYS FOR THE SCUDERIA ARE YET TO COME

[Cavallino]

I think Binotto is smart adn playing his cards right....now we have strongest engine among the manufacturers and hes gonna play the RELIABILITY card to the FIA....

me thinks that from next year ON we're gonna be the class of teh field in terms of PU....

i cannot wait, TEH GOOD DAYS FOR THE SCUDERIA ARE YET TO COME

yes, it's a 400 IQ move by Binotto if he pulls it off. Not only engineering wise but politically as well.

[Tony]

That's part of the development program. Unfortunately their PU department hasn't quite figured out all that quickly. I have less forgiveness for the abundance of mistakes.

When it affects the engine though, it's going to generate penalties as we've seen, which puts the team at a significant disadvantage. The Ferrari engine has come a long way this year vs Honda and Mercedes that were farther ahead last year.

I don't think any Ferrari fan is going to be happy with squandered opportunities this year, but when we look at it in context, it's been a promising year.

[jgonzalesm6]

Have $6-8m USD laying around, I would thoroughly recommend bidding on this '98 Ferrari F300 driven by Schumacher.

Chassis 187, which won 4 races in the '98 season is going up for auction at Monterey Car Week on August 20th.

[paneristi]

If you’ve got the tools (competitive cars), and decent people (two very good drivers), yet fail to deliver and have some missing link, that is called mismanagement

[SS454]

Binotto said a few races ago that our goal this year is not the championship, is get some wins, some poles and then probably work on PU reliability and come back stronger next year....and surely the way the points tally are looking so far we have a slim to none chance at any championships this year

So Binotto knows bette mate, trust him for once

Like I said, it's a cop out remark by him. If he said this a few races ago, it makes it even worse. They literally give their drivers the best car on the grid when factored over the entire season up to date, and yet the head management of the team says their goal isn't a championship? That is the wrong mentality.

Actions and results always speak louder than the politically filled words of team bosses anyways.

[Cavallino]

Like I said, it's a cop out remark by him. If he said this a few races ago, it makes it even worse. They literally give their drivers the best car on the grid when factored over the entire season up to date, and yet the head management of the team says their goal isn't a championship? That is the wrong mentality.

Actions and results always speak louder than the politically filled words of team bosses anyways.

maybe on Saturdays but i think everyone here can agree that the total package when you include reliability and straight line speed, it's not the best car on the grid.

But like Christian Horner has said, I'd rather make a fast car reliable than a slow reliable car fast! This is a VERY solid base.

as far as Binotto's comments, he said it last year but he did reiterate it this year and this entire board freaked out.

[jgonzalesm6]

AMuS

2023 calender

Michael Schmidt on the rumors regarding the 2023 F1 calendar: "France is definitely out. South Africa looks more like it will be in 2024, and if that were the case then Spa would stay on the calendar for one more year (2023)."

Michael Schmidt: "China is desperate to have the Grand Prix, F1 has now included the race in the calendar for now. But if the Covid policy doesn't change, I don't think F1 will risk going there. If the GP is cancelled, it will not be replaced, there will only be 23 races."

Michael Schmidt: "The season will start in Bahrain, then there will be a one week break, after that it will be a double header with Jeddah and Melbourne. And after that, there is the question if the race in South Africa will happen or not. That would be the next race."

Michael Schmidt: "The season will be longer, until the middle of December, the season will also start a bit earlier, to create space for the additional races."

[jgonzalesm6]

AMuS

Schmidt said that Binotto told him that Ferrari are even considering a protest should it come to the proposed changes. (regarding the floor)

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/2

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/3

[FerrariF60]

AMuS

2023 calender

Michael Schmidt on the rumors regarding the 2023 F1 calendar: "France is definitely out. South Africa looks more like it will be in 2024, and if that were the case then Spa would stay on the calendar for one more year (2023)."

Michael Schmidt: "China is desperate to have the Grand Prix, F1 has now included the race in the calendar for now. But if the Covid policy doesn't change, I don't think F1 will risk going there. If the GP is cancelled, it will not be replaced, there will only be 23 races."

Michael Schmidt: "The season will start in Bahrain, then there will be a one week break, after that it will be a double header with Jeddah and Melbourne. And after that, there is the question if the race in South Africa will happen or not. That would be the next race."

Michael Schmidt: "The season will be longer, until the middle of December, the season will also start a bit earlier, to create space for the additional races."


WHAT?!?!?!? I had no idea they were looking at removing SPA from the calendar....ARE THEY NUTS???? that race is a MUST....it's an iconic track...what are they thinking???

[FerrariF60]

AMuS

Schmidt said that Binotto told him that Ferrari are even considering a protest should it come to the proposed changes. (regarding the floor)

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/2

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/3

about time Binotto grew a back bone....no more Mr. nice guy and let Toto and Co. influence the MIA......i mean FIA

[TTRSMAD]

AMuS

Schmidt said that Binotto told him that Ferrari are even considering a protest should it come to the proposed changes. (regarding the floor)

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/2

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1551979784359579649/photo/3

Mercedes is pulling some strings to get their way for next year. Might not work if they anger most of the teams and protest this safety bullcrap. These same teams saw how fast Mercedes had a solution to the TD in Canada.

Collusion can be spotted.

[FerrariF60]

Mercedes is pulling some strings to get their way for next year. Might not work if they anger most of the teams and protest this safety bullcrap. These same teams saw how fast Mercedes had a solution to the TD in Canada.

Collusion can be spotted.

Merc with Toto an Co. are a bunch of crooks....i don't trust them as far as i can throw them....they play the safety bull crap so behind the scenes they will build somthing that will benefit them teh most and screw ferrari and red bull that have worked so hard to come up with some clever and spot ON design

[jgonzalesm6]

WHAT?!?!?!? I had no idea they were looking at removing SPA from the calendar....ARE THEY NUTS???? that race is a MUST....it's an iconic track...what are they thinking???

agreed. It's probably a money issue. Hope both parties figure something out. Spa needs to be on the F1 calender no matter what.


about time Binotto grew a back bone....no more Mr. nice guy and let Toto and Co. influence the MIA......i mean FIA

Let's see what happens. Action speaks louder than words. I hope he goes thru with it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Merc with Toto an Co. are a bunch of crooks....i don't trust them as far as i can throw them....they play the safety bull crap so behind the scenes they will build somthing that will benefit them teh most and screw ferrari and red bull that have worked so hard to come up with some clever and spot ON design

yep, they even got rid of RedBull fast pit stops. Remember RedBull doing sub 2 sec's. pit stops?

[paolo lalli]

Of course merc are pulling strings there next years car design is sweating on changes being made.Just like the hybrid era they want the inside lane with manipulation and posturing with the fia.Ferrari and redbull as all other teams need to fight this farce by mercedes to the bitter end even if it means boycotting races screw mercedes.

[jgonzalesm6]

Porsche has bought 50% of RedBull Racing.

[Super M]

Porsche has bought 50% of RedBull Racing.


Do you have a link for this article please champ ;-)

[jgonzalesm6]

Do you have a link for this article please champ ;-)

Sure......sorry for the delay.

https://twitter.com/RedBullRacingEN/status/1552284359209766912


and


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/first-details-of-porsches-f1-buy-in-of-red-bull-revealed/10344245/

[Greig]

Suggests they are confident the rules will not be changed to Mercs wishes.

[tpe]

Engine rules.
But indicates nothing. It's just a legal requirement.

[Super M]

Sure......sorry for the delay.

https://twitter.com/RedBullRacingEN/status/1552284359209766912


and


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/first-details-of-porsches-f1-buy-in-of-red-bull-revealed/10344245/


Thanks for this!

So it wasn't a rumour after all hey :Hmm

What on earth does Morocco have to to do with the applications ?