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wisepie
29th November 2022, 12:26
Well it's better than starting another season with the same slightly shambolic and unconvincing leadership, but Binotto did give us the F1-75 and I hope the work done towards the 2023 car will not have been in vain. Finding another leader in the shape of Todt/Horner/Wolff will be a real challenge.:roll

JPZ
29th November 2022, 12:39
There were also rumours that Simone Resta would return from Alfa Romeo to lead the technical department.

And let's not forget Rory Byrne is still there and was involved in the designing of the F1-75.

paneristi
29th November 2022, 13:07
There were also rumours that Simone Resta would return from Alfa Romeo to lead the technical department.

And let's not forget Rory Byrne is still there and was involved in the designing of the F1-75.
Rory who gave us F2004, f2002…

jgonzalesm6
29th November 2022, 13:12
Rory who gave us F2004, f2002…

What does that have to do with the F1-75 to include TD039 that Ferrari couldn't bounce back...somewhat....even though the engine was turned down for literally the whole season.

Nick Singer
29th November 2022, 14:13
Well it's better than starting another season with the same slightly shambolic and unconvincing leadership, but Binotto did give us the F1-75 and I hope the work done towards the 2023 car will not have been in vain. Finding another leader in the shape of Todt/Horner/Wolff will be a real challenge.:roll

I'd like to think it'll mean some form of progress but then at the Scuderia, well, anybody's guess!

If anyone can jump from the frying pan into the fire, it's us*!

*Well, Ferrari..

:)

Gilles
29th November 2022, 22:30
Simone Resta can come back as technical director now, he did not get along with Binotto (we are not surprised)
If he is not Newey, it presents the advantage of knowing well the technicians and also the concept of the car, which could well be renewed for 2023
Also, it has already worked well with Byrne
Send Rueda away, he is frankly very tired
Very important: not to forget to catapult Marcos very far away, it is hilarious that Binotto protected this human catastrophe
Finally, the Vasseur hypothese is not without interest, he knows how to be firm (he defends the independence of his team against Ferrari), and I imagine him to be protective for his men: the team must regain the pleasure of working together, without destructive pressure
I figure if Marchione wanted it, he must have the right skill
Marchione wasn’t a clown

Nero Horse
30th November 2022, 03:50
There were also rumours that Simone Resta would return from Alfa Romeo to lead the technical department.

And let's not forget Rory Byrne is still there and was involved in the designing of the F1-75.

Is Rory Byrne really there at Maranello working on next year's car or is that a myth? I mean can anyone factually confirm it? I know he worked on the F1-75 but haven't heard anything about him working on the 2023 car.

JPZ
30th November 2022, 04:09
Is Rory Byrne really there at Maranello working on next year's car or is that a myth? I mean can anyone factually confirm it? I know he worked on the F1-75 but haven't heard anything about him working on the 2023 car.

'Ferrari have extended the contract of advisor Rory Byrne for a further three years'


Articles were in April/March 2022.

https://racingnews365.com/ferrari-extend-contract-of-famous-member-of-design-team

https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/en/formula-1/ferrari-extends-rory-byrne-s-f1-contract,170055.html

Nero Horse
30th November 2022, 09:57
'Ferrari have extended the contract of advisor Rory Byrne for a further three years'


Articles were in April/March 2022.

https://racingnews365.com/ferrari-extend-contract-of-famous-member-of-design-team

https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/en/formula-1/ferrari-extends-rory-byrne-s-f1-contract,170055.html

Oh good. Thanks. At least that gives a crumb of comfort knowing that the car development isn't completely rudderless right now.

ferrari1.8t
1st December 2022, 13:15
F1 had absolutely no problem with Mercedes and Hamilton running away with nearly every race for 7 years. But now that another team is competitive it’s a problem. How stupid and fake can this sport get? They are actually thinking about slowing down the lead car to give the others a chance. What a complete joke….

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1s-active-aero-plans-for-2026-could-include-reverse-drs/10406751/

WS6TransAm01
1st December 2022, 13:18
F1 had absolutely no problem with Mercedes and Hamilton running away with nearly every race for 7 years. But now that another team is competitive it’s a problem. How stupid and fake can this sport get? They are actually thinking about slowing down the lead car to give the others a chance. What a complete joke….

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1s-active-aero-plans-for-2026-could-include-reverse-drs/10406751/

This is just clown world. It's in the same idiotic line of thinking as a budget cap. To introduce equity and equality of outcome. The idea that Formula1 is a sport is already difficult to defend, this will make it impossible to do so.

SS454
1st December 2022, 16:05
F1 had absolutely no problem with Mercedes and Hamilton running away with nearly every race for 7 years. But now that another team is competitive it’s a problem. How stupid and fake can this sport get? They are actually thinking about slowing down the lead car to give the others a chance. What a complete joke….

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1s-active-aero-plans-for-2026-could-include-reverse-drs/10406751/

Wow, just wow.

So Max dominates 1 season with 15 wins in a car that really was a pretty equal to Ferrari until mid season. In fact, Id say Ferrari had the best car for the first 6-8 races. FIA throw their arms up in an outrage how it's bad for the sport. Yet like you said, they allowed Mercedes and their golden boy Hamilton dominate for 7 years in a car that pretty much any clown could have dominated in.

WS6TransAm01
1st December 2022, 16:25
Wow, just wow.

So Max dominates 1 season with 15 wins in a car that really was a pretty equal to Ferrari until mid season. In fact, Id say Ferrari had the best car for the first 6-8 races. FIA throw their arms up in an outrage how it's bad for the sport. Yet like you said, they allowed Mercedes and their golden boy Hamilton dominate for 7 years in a car that pretty much any clown could have dominated in.

This is why I call him the "Affirmative Action Champion"

SS454
1st December 2022, 17:37
This is why I call him the "Affirmative Action Champion"

Most privileged driver in F1 history when it comes to the quality of cars he has been given. Perhaps is also the only driver ever always by some miracle get a winning car even when it's a complete turd to start with.

2009 McLaren - went from a 15th place car to a winner. Included a 1 second gain in lap time in just a couple weeks.
2013 Mercedes - car was junk, but improving 2010-2012, but once Lewis shows up its the 2nd best car.
2014 Mercedes - what "luck" that he left McLaren, a race winning team to find himself in a car that cant lose on merit.
2021 Mercedes - For 75% of the year, the Merc was pretty close with Red Bull. But when Lewis was all but out, the car becomes an unbeatable rocket once again. Just in time to save his championship. Still lost though.
2022 Mercedes - New formula and a budget cap, yet Mercedes developed a lot, most which didn't make a huge difference. Then after Spa, the car can fight for wins and then becomes the fastest car in Brazil.

wisepie
1st December 2022, 18:03
This is just clown world. It's in the same idiotic line of thinking as a budget cap. To introduce equity and equality of outcome. The idea that Formula1 is a sport is already difficult to defend, this will make it impossible to do so.

Agreed, the sport, such as it is, is being turned into a circus all in the interest of improving the show and making it even more fake than it already is. I'll be out by then!:-E

Greig
1st December 2022, 18:21
F1 had absolutely no problem with Mercedes and Hamilton running away with nearly every race for 7 years. But now that another team is competitive it’s a problem. How stupid and fake can this sport get? They are actually thinking about slowing down the lead car to give the others a chance. What a complete joke….

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1s-active-aero-plans-for-2026-could-include-reverse-drs/10406751/

Brawn says it is something that could be done with active aero, not that they would do it. He is just explaining what they could be looking at for 2026 so I would not assume its anything much to worry about. Doubt teams would agree to such a thing in any case.

stefa
1st December 2022, 20:34
Agreed, the sport, such as it is, is being turned into a circus all in the interest of improving the show and making it even more fake than it already is. I'll be out by then!:-E

Agree

ferrari1.8t
1st December 2022, 22:14
Brawn says it is something that could be done with active aero, not that they would do it. He is just explaining what they could be looking at for 2026 so I would not assume its anything much to worry about. Doubt teams would agree to such a thing in any case.

I agree that they are unlikely to introduce this. However, the fact that they discuss garbage like this shows how out of touch they are. Fans "we dont like sprints", F1 "ok, more sprints next year", fans "we dont like DRS" F1 "ok, more DRS zones"....etc, I can go on and on.

As others have mentioned, F1 has become a fake, scripted circus that appeases to the Netflix crowd.

stefa
2nd December 2022, 08:09
I agree that they are unlikely to introduce this. However, the fact that they discuss garbage like this shows how out of touch they are. Fans "we dont like sprints", F1 "ok, more sprints next year", fans "we dont like DRS" F1 "ok, more DRS zones"....etc, I can go on and on.

As others have mentioned, F1 has become a fake, scripted circus that appeases to the Netflix crowd.

:thumb

Toothlessrage*
2nd December 2022, 15:01
So, here are the top candidates for SFs TP:

- Christian Horner
- Franz Tost
- Andreas Seidl
- Frederic Vasseur
- Monisha Kaltenborn
- Laurent Mekies
- Jonathan Giacobazzi

jgonzalesm6
2nd December 2022, 15:06
So, here are the top candidates for SFs TP:

- Christian Horner
- Franz Tost
- Andreas Seidl
- Frederic Vasseur
- Monisha Kaltenborn
- Laurent Mekies
- Jonathan Giacobazzi

You can rule out Horner, Seidl and definitely not Kaltenborn.

Vasseur is the likely candidate.

Toothlessrage*
2nd December 2022, 15:11
You can rule out Horner, Seidl and definitely not Kaltenborn.

Vasseur is the likely candidate.

So, here are the top candidates for SFs TP:

- Franz Tost
- Frederic Vasseur
- Laurent Mekies (Please no)
- Jonathan Giacobazzi

Greig
2nd December 2022, 18:33
Chinese GP 2023 is cancelled, Portugal possible to step in and replace otherwise there is a 4 week gap.

jgonzalesm6
2nd December 2022, 19:41
Chinese GP 2023 is cancelled, Portugal possible to step in and replace otherwise there is a 4 week gap.

Hopefully Portimao (1st choice) or Sepang will be China's replacement.

JPZ
2nd December 2022, 21:15
So, here are the top candidates for SFs TP:

- Franz Tost
- Frederic Vasseur
- Laurent Mekies (Please no)
- Jonathan Giacobazzi

Wonder if he will remain as Racing Director...

racingbradley
2nd December 2022, 22:32
So, here are the top candidates for SFs TP:

- Franz Tost
- Frederic Vasseur
- Laurent Mekies (Please no)
- Jonathan Giacobazzi
Think Tost has refused. I don't know anything about Giacobazzi. Please not Mekies it would be more of the same.

Toothlessrage*
3rd December 2022, 03:16
Think Tost has refused. I don't know anything about Giacobazzi. Please not Mekies it would be more of the same.

Updated candidates for SFs TP:

- Frederic Vasseur
- Laurent Mekies (Please no)
- Jonathan Giacobazzi
- Paul Hembrey (Pirelli)
- Antonello Coletta

About Jonathan Giacobazzi: Heir to the well-known family that owns a winery – and whose father, Antonio, was a close collaborator of Enzo Ferrari and personal sponsor of Gilles Villeneuve -, the Italian “knows the team perfectly”, having been part of it in various roles since 2013 and until January 2019 as Executive Race Manager and has acted as a link between the racing team and Ferrari’s top management, so much so that he is described as a “close confidant of both John Elkann and Piero Ferrari”.

Toothlessrage*
3rd December 2022, 10:40
LINK: https://the-race.com/formula-1/one-of-ferraris-old-f1-drivers-is-the-new-boss-it-needs/

What do you guys think of "Gerhard Berger" as the SFs TP?

jgonzalesm6
3rd December 2022, 11:38
Audi is getting serious about it's 2026 entry.

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1598972225582903296/photo/1



Audi expands Competence Center Motorsport for its Formula 1 project.

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/press-releases/audi-expands-competence-center-motorsport-for-its-formula-1-project-15068

jgonzalesm6
3rd December 2022, 11:39
Billionaire Calvin Lo is looking at possibly expanding his investment in F1, adding that other Asian investors were also interested

“I wouldn’t be surprised if you hear some consortium in Asia investing into some teams”

Lo already has ties with Williams through Dorilton Capital

https://twitter.com/EngineMode11/status/1597494159082160128/photo/1

racingbradley
3rd December 2022, 12:01
Updated candidates for SFs TP:

- Frederic Vasseur
- Laurent Mekies (Please no)
- Jonathan Giacobazzi
- Paul Hembrey (Pirelli)
- Antonello Coletta

About Jonathan Giacobazzi: Heir to the well-known family that owns a winery – and whose father, Antonio, was a close collaborator of Enzo Ferrari and personal sponsor of Gilles Villeneuve -, the Italian “knows the team perfectly”, having been part of it in various roles since 2013 and until January 2019 as Executive Race Manager and has acted as a link between the racing team and Ferrari’s top management, so much so that he is described as a “close confidant of both John Elkann and Piero Ferrari”.
Thank you he's got pedigree then

Greig
3rd December 2022, 18:25
Seems clear that Binotto jumped and now we are floundering around looking for a replacement...we will get a Elkann yes man, stock market is more important than sport.

racingbradley
3rd December 2022, 21:56
Binotto to Audi could it be true?
I agree we will get an Elkann "yes man"
Doubt it will be Fred he's no "yes man";-)

brucewayne
4th December 2022, 12:23
http://https://scuderiafans.com/john-elkann-wants-to-replicate-red-bull-organizational-structure-at-ferrari/

It seems we try to replicate RB. Good sign, it's time to support Charles like RB supports Max. Elkann knows that these next steps are crucial, I am confident that we will find a way to get better.

Brembo
4th December 2022, 19:31
http://https://scuderiafans.com/john-elkann-wants-to-replicate-red-bull-organizational-structure-at-ferrari/

It seems we try to replicate RB. Good sign, it's time to support Charles like RB supports Max. Elkann knows that these next steps are crucial, I am confident that we will find a way to get better.

Carlos will cause grief @ Ferrari by winning podiums equal to Charles if he's given a car to drive as he sees fit for him. Remember given the chance @ Ferrari Charles to out Seb a 4x WDC ! No 1, 2 there and the results were, are great!

Nick Singer
5th December 2022, 17:02
Updated candidates for SFs TP:

- Frederic Vasseur
- Laurent Mekies (Please no)
- Jonathan Giacobazzi
- Paul Hembrey (Pirelli)
- Antonello Coletta

About Jonathan Giacobazzi: Heir to the well-known family that owns a winery – and whose father, Antonio, was a close collaborator of Enzo Ferrari and personal sponsor of Gilles Villeneuve -, the Italian “knows the team perfectly”, having been part of it in various roles since 2013 and until January 2019 as Executive Race Manager and has acted as a link between the racing team and Ferrari’s top management, so much so that he is described as a “close confidant of both John Elkann and Piero Ferrari”.

My God! Bring back the Giacobazzi girls! If you're old enough, you know what I mean..

brucewayne
5th December 2022, 18:40
Carlos will cause grief @ Ferrari by winning podiums equal to Charles if he's given a car to drive as he sees fit for him. Remember given the chance @ Ferrari Charles to out Seb a 4x WDC ! No 1, 2 there and the results were, are great!

Carlos misses ultimate speed to cause something. Good No.2 driver.

Brembo
5th December 2022, 19:43
Keep in mind one of Binotto's main jobs was to hold Carlos back enough to show Mick should get the seat. $2million in damage with just 2 cars was, is enough to know for sure Mick isn't what Ferrari needs . So now Carlos has a shot at showing what he can truly do for himself and the team. Left to race in peace @ Merc just look at Russell's results !! From 0 points in 2 1/2 years @ Williams to a win plus a great showing as to how good he is even with Lewis as his team mate. labeling Carlos as #2 before the season even starts cannot be very inspiring . Remember the $Millions are going to be paid anyway. We Ferrari fans need WDC, and WCC !!

brucewayne
5th December 2022, 21:14
Keep in mind one of Binotto's main jobs was to hold Carlos back enough to show Mick should get the seat. $2million in damage with just 2 cars was, is enough to know for sure Mick isn't what Ferrari needs . So now Carlos has a shot at showing what he can truly do for himself and the team. Left to race in peace @ Merc just look at Russell's results !! From 0 points in 2 1/2 years @ Williams to a win plus a great showing as to how good he is even with Lewis as his team mate. labeling Carlos as #2 before the season even starts cannot be very inspiring . Remember the $Millions are going to be paid anyway. We Ferrari fans need WDC, and WCC !!

Holding Carlos back? What are you talking about? Did we watch the same races in 2022? If someone has been hold back it’s Charles. Carlos can send a prayer to Binotto that he was able to even win a race this year.

Brembo
5th December 2022, 23:33
Holding Carlos back? What are you talking about? Did we watch the same races in 2022? If someone has been hold back it’s Charles. Carlos can send a prayer to Binotto that he was able to even win a race this year.

Charles WDC 2022 was held back by Max and Max alone! I may be wrong but Carlos was designated #2 driver by Ferrari. Neither Carlos or Charles should have been or should start 2023 with #1 #2 status. Make a decision when each race is on and needed . Carlos spent the last season not at his best knowing he was unfairly held as #2 driver. Remember Charles never had to deal with Seb #1 him #2. Look how that went!!

brucewayne
6th December 2022, 11:05
Charles WDC 2022 was held back by Max and Max alone! I may be wrong but Carlos was designated #2 driver by Ferrari. Neither Carlos or Charles should have been or should start 2023 with #1 #2 status. Make a decision when each race is on and needed . Carlos spent the last season not at his best knowing he was unfairly held as #2 driver. Remember Charles never had to deal with Seb #1 him #2. Look how that went!!

Charles had the speed, Carlos doesn’t. We don’t have to speak out about #1 or #2 status, but we have to make sure not to screw up Charles on the way, like it happened over and over again this year.

nani_s23
6th December 2022, 14:05
The work on the Ferrari 2023 is gradually taking shape: - Defined chassis and suspensions. - Work in progress for greater aerodynamic efficiency. - Important investment on the front fins for more efficiency. - Floor bigger change.

@Formu1a_uno

Greig
6th December 2022, 14:18
Not really that relevant I think but Charles has split up from his GF.

Riccardog
6th December 2022, 15:47
Not really that relevant I think but Charles has split up from his GF.

my daughter is in with a shot,WHOOOO

racingbradley
6th December 2022, 19:10
Maybe Charles wants no distractions next year as he concentrates on the WDC

FerrariF60
6th December 2022, 19:37
Maybe Charles wants no distractions next year as he concentrates on the WDC

Max had no issues, and he's dating an older more demanding woman....lol

racingbradley
7th December 2022, 11:23
Max had no issues, and he's dating an older more demanding woman....lol
Horses for courses.
Maybe Charles just wants to concentrate on the job next year.:-)

wisepie
7th December 2022, 12:31
Horses for courses.
Maybe Charles just wants to concentrate on the job next year.:-)

That's the best way to look at it! Forza Charles, with no distractions!

Brembo
7th December 2022, 19:00
Horses for courses.
Maybe Charles just wants to concentrate on the job next year.:-)

With Mick and Binotto gone Carlos can and I'm sure will also be able to concentrate only on his driving job and being along with Charles up at the top as far as best drivers.

brucewayne
7th December 2022, 22:31
With Mick and Binotto gone Carlos can and I'm sure will also be able to concentrate only on his driving job and being along with Charles up at the top as far as best drivers.

Not sure what you are talking about. Carlos had all the support that he needed to show that he is as fast as Charles. He simply isn't, and that is ok.

racingbradley
7th December 2022, 22:39
With Mick and Binotto gone Carlos can and I'm sure will also be able to concentrate only on his driving job and being along with Charles up at the top as far as best drivers.
To be honest Brembo I think Carlos was favoured at quite a few races.

JPZ
8th December 2022, 03:58
To be honest Brembo I think Carlos was favoured at quite a few races.

Possibly one of the reasons Binotto lost support from Elkann.

aroutis
8th December 2022, 09:03
Possibly one of the reasons Binotto lost support from Elkann.

It's ok. Past is the past.

SilverSpeed
8th December 2022, 16:26
Not for some here *cough*.:rotfl

Brembo
11th December 2022, 21:21
As long as Carlos and Charles can compete strongly against Max and GOAT Sr Lewis; 2023 will be a great F-1 season for Ferrari fans! The sprint races may well prove harmful as far a ruining results and plain viewing. Qualifying means plainly where a driver should line up for a race, not for a sprint start!!!!!

JacKy
12th December 2022, 15:47
since everything went quiet , i consider it as Vasseur deal is done.

Sshhhhh….

stefa
12th December 2022, 17:00
since everything went quiet , i consider it as Vasseur deal is done.

Sshhhhh….

https://twitter.com/FerrariF1FRA/status/1601998154509213697?s=20&t=xr8aCLcTOA4DNrD8vK1Jtg

https://twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1602289382865657856?s=20&t=xr8aCLcTOA4DNrD8vK1Jtg

SilverSpeed
12th December 2022, 18:01
Seems he bought a house in Maranello.

jgonzalesm6
12th December 2022, 19:45
Looks like Williams is in the same boat as Ferrari......exactly the same boat with no one else to fill the position at time of firing.

Tis the season for firings of Team Principles.

Brembo
12th December 2022, 23:45
Not for some here *cough*.:rotfl

Try drinking a glass of Brioschi!

JPZ
13th December 2022, 14:05
Ferrari: Laurent Mekies confirmed, more responsibilities for young strategist Ravin Jain

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-laurent-mekies-confirmed-more-responsibilities-for-young-strategist-ravin-jain/?fbclid=IwAR1u7STw15R-D4oH3DmA147AVYv842mv5gQ8uPf74KTDNwwH94jWI_rmukk

racingbradley
15th December 2022, 11:16
Mick has signed for Mercedes no surprise there.;-)

stasera
15th December 2022, 11:24
i don't know how mick would have been with fast machinery. could he have pushed as difficult as leclerc and sainz??

Brembo
15th December 2022, 21:54
I wish Mick the best, but I'm very happy Ferrari kept Charles and Carlos as is!!!

Bikus
16th December 2022, 10:20
...Tis the season for firings of Team Principles.

Even at McLaren...Andrea ( Stella ) instead Andreas ( Seidl ) . Former Ferrari man as Team principal at Mclaren ? Are we living in the last days ?:-E:lol

Well...good luck !

Riccardog
16th December 2022, 15:38
https://www.planetf1.com/features/ferrari-driver-academy-former-drivers/

not a good endorsement to become a Ferrari Academy member.... sadly.

Liscia
16th December 2022, 18:20
Even at McLaren...Andrea ( Stella ) instead Andreas ( Seidl ) . Former Ferrari man as Team principal at Mclaren ? Are we living in the last days ?:-E:lol

Well...good luck !

Dunno about last days but certainly an ABSURD period

Brembo
17th December 2022, 22:11
https://www.planetf1.com/features/ferrari-driver-academy-former-drivers/

not a good endorsement to become a Ferrari Academy member.... sadly.

Driver's nationality seems more important with F! seats than the drivers driving record etc. Fans and sponsorship is #1 priority it seems . If the USA has a few drivers to come into F1, the country itself will be a top F1 location through out the world of F1. for races totake place. There's already 3 !