2022 F1 news/rumours

[Toothlessrage*]

2022 will be critical for the SF and F1.

Also, I hope this thread has more joy than the years prior.

(Ah.. yes, yes, I know - 18 days till the new year, but I feel pretty upbeat and excited!)

[Toothlessrage*]

2022 F1 Driver Line-up

Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton + George Russell

Red Bull

Max Verstappen + Sergio Perez

McLaren

Lando Norris + Daniel Ricciardo

Aston Martin

Sebastian Vettel + Lance Stroll

Alpine

Esteban Ocon + Fernando Alonso

Ferrari

Carlos Sainz + Charles Leclerc

AlphaTauri

Pierre Gasly + Yuki Tsunoda

Alfa Romeo

Valtteri Bottas + Guanyu Zhou

Haas

Nikita Mazepin + Mick Schumacher

Williams

Alex Albon + Nicholas Latifi

[FerrariF60]

2022 will be critical for the SF and F1.

Also, I hope this thread has more joy than the years prior.

(Ah.. yes, yes, I know - 18 days till the new year, but I feel pretty upbeat and excited!)

I’m with you on the upbeat and excited part, but over the years I guess I was expecting too much from Ferrari and then come first race for me to be really disappointed.

So for the past 3-4 years I’m not even giving too much of a damn about winter testing and take the times posted in winter testing with a pinch of salt, as that’s what they are....JUST TESTING TIMES...everyone doing their own thing and US (fans) not knowing fuel levels (just speculating and guessing), engine mapping....etc

So I will still follow testing....but for me, the puck drops when Q3 ends in Bahrain and find out where we stand against the competition on raw pace

Forza Ferrari and may 2022 bring us all fans the joy we’ve been waiting since 2007

[ntukza]

Question. What is the purpose of the young driver test? What do the teams achieve with it?

[Toothlessrage*]

I’m with you on the upbeat and excited part, but over the years I guess I was expecting too much from Ferrari and then come first race for me to be really disappointed.

So for the past 3-4 years I’m not even giving too much of a damn about winter testing and take the times posted in winter testing with a pinch of salt, as that’s what they are....JUST TESTING TIMES...everyone doing their own thing and US (fans) not knowing fuel levels (just speculating and guessing), engine mapping....etc

So I will still follow testing....but for me, the puck drops when Q3 ends in Bahrain and find out where we stand against the competition on raw pace

Forza Ferrari and may 2022 bring us all fans the joy we’ve been waiting since 2007

I agree.

Though, next year I don't think any of us would want to hear the "we must understand" and "we are working" from Binnoto.

2022 will have to be the year of "we understood" and "we worked", in such a way as to live up to the glorious past of what, despite all the recent difficulties, remains the most successful team in history.

[Rishu]

I hear number 1 will return to F1, Max will sport number 1 on his Chassis

[WS6TransAm01]

I hear number 1 will return to F1, Max will sport number 1 on his Chassis

He said that in his interview with Buxton. I like it but I am surprised knowing that sportsmen are usually very superstitious.

[jgonzalesm6]

Santander is back.

https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1473250704420741120

[Redfive]

F1 rumours? Here is one I'm starting and I'll claim all the glory for it at the end of 2022!
Carlos Sainz is going to be 2022 WDC!

[paneristi]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/12/19/binotto-sainzs-future-to-be-discussed-during-winter/

[paneristi]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/bernie-ecclestone-ferrari-flavio-briatore/

[wisepie]

F1 rumours? Here is one I'm starting and I'll claim all the glory for it at the end of 2022!
Carlos Sainz is going to be 2022 WDC!

I'll stick my neck out and go for the other Charlie #16, but if either of them can do it, I'll be ecstatic.:pray

[PURE PASSION]

I'll stick my neck out and go for the other Charlie #16, but if either of them can do it, I'll be ecstatic.:pray

Me too !!!!!:thumb

[KimiBot]

Full list of 2021 driver crash costs in Euros (as quoted by Sky Germany)
1 Mick Schumacher (Haas) 4,212,500
2 Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 4,046,000
3 Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 3,889,000
4 Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 3,116,500
5 Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 2,713,500
6 Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) 2,686,000
7 Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 2,606,500
8 Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 2,468,000
9 Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo) 1,950,000
10 George Russell (Williams) 1,845,000
11 Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 1,756,000
12 Lando Norris (McLaren) 1,453,000
13 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1,235,000
14 Pierre Gasly (AlphaTauri) 1,113,000
15 Sergio Perez (Red Bull) 939,000
16 Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo) 854,000
17 Daniel Ricciardo (McLaren) 713,000
18 Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 660,000
19 Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 315,000
20 Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 280,000
https://www.planetf1.com/news/driver-crash-damage-costs-2021/

[KimiBot]

The top 10 in full, as voted for by the team principals:

1. Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 188 points
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 174
3. Lando Norris (McLaren) 100
4. Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 70
5. Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 63
6. Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 58
7. Pierre Gasly (AlphaTauri) 56
8. George Russell (Williams) 44
9. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 43
10. Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 41
https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-p1-team-principals/

[stefa]

I'll stick my neck out and go for the other Charlie #16, but if either of them can do it, I'll be ecstatic.:pray

As long as Ferrari wins CWC, and either of two driver wins WDC I am happy!

[speedmaster]

Santander is back.

https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1473250704420741120

So we'll see some white again on the car

[jgonzalesm6]

So we'll see some white again on the car

yep, look at the Ferrari F14T and Ferrari SF15T. White on the front wings and rear wing DRS flap and endplates.

[Riccardog]

hmmmm, Binotto taking a step back from a promising 2022?
Binotto: "Nel 2022 la Ferrari deve tornare a vincere, ma il titolo non sia un obbligo"

[Toothlessrage*]

hmmmm, Binotto taking a step back from a promising 2022?
Binotto: "Nel 2022 la Ferrari deve tornare a vincere, ma il titolo non sia un obbligo"

I read the article.
I was pretty shocked too to see that admission, given that Binnoto is usually realistic with his statements.

I hope I'm wrong though.

[Riccardog]

Full list of 2021 driver crash costs in Euros (as quoted by Sky Germany)
1 Mick Schumacher (Haas) 4,212,500
2 Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 4,046,000
3 Max Verstappen (Red Bull) 3,889,000
4 Nicholas Latifi (Williams) 3,116,500
5 Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 2,713,500
6 Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) 2,686,000
7 Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 2,606,500
8 Nikita Mazepin (Haas) 2,468,000
9 Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo) 1,950,000
10 George Russell (Williams) 1,845,000
11 Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) 1,756,000
12 Lando Norris (McLaren) 1,453,000
13 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1,235,000
14 Pierre Gasly (AlphaTauri) 1,113,000
15 Sergio Perez (Red Bull) 939,000
16 Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo) 854,000
17 Daniel Ricciardo (McLaren) 713,000
18 Sebastian Vettel (Aston Martin) 660,000
19 Fernando Alonso (Alpine) 315,000
20 Esteban Ocon (Alpine) 280,000
https://www.planetf1.com/news/driver-crash-damage-costs-2021/

a totally misleading article.... I would prefer to see a list of crash costs by BLAME.... :lol

[FerrariF60]

I read the article.
I was pretty shocked too to see that admission, given that Binnoto is usually realistic with his statements.

I hope I'm wrong though.

he's downplaying it....but deep down he prolly knows we have a BEAST on our hands for 2022

[Toothlessrage*]

he's downplaying it....but deep down he prolly knows we have a BEAST on our hands for 2022

I hope so too.

[Tifoso Svedese]

maFIA and Liberty Media capita$$list scumbags at it again.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-personnel-set-for-mandatory-vaccination-requirement-in-2022/6969673/?nrt=54

Let people decide for themselves

[20000rpm]

maFIA and Liberty Media capita$$list scumbags at it again.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-personnel-set-for-mandatory-vaccination-requirement-in-2022/6969673/?nrt=54

Let people decide for themselves

And why is this a problem?

[tifosi1993]

maFIA and Liberty Media capita$$list scumbags at it again.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-personnel-set-for-mandatory-vaccination-requirement-in-2022/6969673/?nrt=54

Let people decide for themselves.

Are you an anti-vaxxer?

[aroutis]

maFIA and Liberty Media capita$$list scumbags at it again.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-personnel-set-for-mandatory-vaccination-requirement-in-2022/6969673/?nrt=54

Let people decide for themselves

No thank you.

[FerrariF60]

Are you an anti-vaxxer?

prolly he is

[20000rpm]

https://i.ibb.co/RcYXCyV/unnamed.jpg (https://ibb.co/TtYQHLF)

:-D

Charles is an adorable darling....
Sainz and Binotto need a haircut.

[Tifoso Svedese]

I'm not anti-vax, but rather a proud libertarian. I'm definitely not in favour of a bunch of creeps mandating others to take what they don't want. People who don't advocate for bodily autonomy are scary folks. If someone chooses to take it voluntarily I'm all in favour. However, authorities saying you need things injected into you or else, is a lot scarier than any virus currently circulating around this planet, that's for sure. It doesn't matter even had the intent been noble because as the saying goes: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I wish all of you a merry Christmas either way :-)

[FerrariF60]

just read this comment on another site....

Benz have the least ground effects experience on the grid, guess who has the most by far ... HAAS! Not joking, Dallara have been supplying ground effect Indycars since 2007, dominated F3 for decades, besides their other race cars, and have the oldest and largest rolling road wind tunnel of them all, as well as a 40% scale wind tunnel. And because they were last in the constructor's champ this year, they get 115% wind tunnel and CFD FIA allocated time, Benz gets 70% ... could be interesting

can you guys imagine Mick winning races next year wiht Haas.....that would be wild....althogh prolly not reachable from Haas's point of view

[patrese86]

Haas actually replaced alot of the dallara staff with Ferrari's. They only retained about 30 dallara employees.

Still, they completely abandoned 2021 so hopefully they've made good progress for next season. We need them closer.

[wisepie]

We need all the Ferrari-engined cars closer to challenge the Merc and Honda-powered teams, so that includes Alfa as well as Haas. It will be an interesting year!

[Brembo]

Haas actually replaced alot of the dallara staff with Ferrari's. They only retained about 30 dallara employees.

Still, they completely abandoned 2021 so hopefully they've made good progress for next season. We need them closer.

Should that not have been the opposite?

[stefa]

https://i.ibb.co/RcYXCyV/unnamed.jpg

:-D

Charles is an adorable darling....
Sainz and Binotto need a haircut.

:rotfl

Some nice looking gals!

[dfunk257]

maFIA and Liberty Media capita$$list scumbags at it again.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-personnel-set-for-mandatory-vaccination-requirement-in-2022/6969673/?nrt=54

Let people decide for themselves.

How werent they vaccinated in the 1st place after what happened in 2020????

[dfunk257]

https://i.ibb.co/RcYXCyV/unnamed.jpg (https://ibb.co/TtYQHLF)

:-D

Charles is an adorable darling....
Sainz and Binotto need a haircut.

OMG! This is hilarious!!! :rotfl

[KimiBot]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHsphoNXsAAW0NK?format=jpg&name=900x900

[JPZ]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHsphoNXsAAW0NK?format=jpg&name=900x900

I can't really fault this list.

Would personally have liked to see Leclerc higher.

But overall, great to see the two Ferrari drivers rated so highly.

[Rishu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHsphoNXsAAW0NK?format=jpg&name=900x900

I'm surprised to see Lando in top 3, he had a v good 2020 compared to last year. And probably Vettel or Perez on number 10

[Aziz]

7899

Schumi mural in Sarajevo, Bosna and Herzegovina

[PURE PASSION]

7900ς:lol:-D

[PURE PASSION]

#AMuS The Alpine PU lacked around 35 hp to the best. For 2022, a completely new PU has been created. Not only because of the E10 fuel. The test bench results confirm all the targets.

Team says: "If we can get the engine reliable, we'll make a big step."

https://t.co/MhVMvlLIMO

[Toothlessrage*]

This season is turning out to be pretty exciting!
A strong lineup for each team except for HAAS, Alfa, and Williams.

[stefa]

7899

Schumi mural in Sarajevo, Bosna and Herzegovina

:clap

[Brembo]

Top 10 list, Russell 8th . No Perez?

[FerrariF60]

Top 10 list, Russell 8th . No Perez?

yeah, what a crock that is....perez should have been there for sure

[20000rpm]

Top 10 list, Russell 8th . No Perez?

Agreed. He deserved to be in Top 10. I wonder what went into the thinking by voting Schumacher as drivers in Top 10.

[20000rpm]

7900ς:lol:-D

Lol... Is that true??
Even if its serious, I wonder why Epson was offended. Maybe Toto was actually banging Bose headphones on Epson printer kept on the table. We never saw the full video. :lol

[WS6TransAm01]

How werent they vaccinated in the 1st place after what happened in 2020????

I thought they were all jabbed up already? Or does this mean they need a 3rd, 4th and 9th jab as well? Will they still wear masks too despite being octo-jabbed?

[jgonzalesm6]

TP Otmar Szafnauer is out of AMRF1. Going to Alpine.


Major renovations going on at Spa - Eau Rouge area and Combes (T6) and Malmedy (T7).

https://twitter.com/StadeLaurens/status/1478714970259046402/photo/1

https://twitter.com/StadeLaurens/status/1478714970259046402/photo/1

https://twitter.com/StadeLaurens/status/1478714970259046402/photo/1




Ferrari ends its 9 year partnership with UPS.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/01/05/ferrari-ends-nine-year-partnership-with-ups/


So removed from the Scuderia:

UPS, Mission Winnow, WeiChei, Palantir


Gained from the Scuderia:

Santander and Velas

[JPZ]

TP Otmar Szafnauer is out of AMRF1. Going to Alpine.


Major renovations going on at Spa - Eau Rouge area and Combes (T6) and Malmedy (T7).

https://twitter.com/StadeLaurens/status/1478714970259046402/photo/1

https://twitter.com/StadeLaurens/status/1478714970259046402/photo/1

https://twitter.com/StadeLaurens/status/1478714970259046402/photo/1




Ferrari ends its 9 year partnership with UPS.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/01/05/ferrari-ends-nine-year-partnership-with-ups/


So removed from the Scuderia:

UPS, Mission Winnow, WeiChei, Palantir


Gained from the Scuderia:

Santander and Velas

Wonder how Philip Morris will rebrand their advertising campaign?

[jgonzalesm6]

Wonder how Philip Morris will rebrand their advertising campaign?

I doubt PMI will advertise anything. Santander will rebrand the missing "Mission Winnow" on the cars and on the suits-->drivers and pit crew.

[JPZ]

I doubt PMI will advertise anything. Santander will rebrand the missing "Mission Winnow" on the cars and on the suits-->drivers and pit crew.

If they don't, guess they will just rely on their red colour then.

[SS454]

Ferrari are lucky to have such a receiving relationship with Phillip Morris. I mean Ferrari's have been red regardless of sponsor, and now there is pretty much nothing being advertised to show PMI is a sponsor. I don't know what Ferrari is going to do if and when PMI cancels the sponsorship. No way they are going to get that much money from Coca-cola.

[JPZ]

Ferrari are lucky to have such a receiving relationship with Phillip Morris. I mean Ferrari's have been red regardless of sponsor, and now there is pretty much nothing being advertised to show PMI is a sponsor. I don't know what Ferrari is going to do if and when PMI cancels the sponsorship. No way they are going to get that much money from Coca-cola.

Yes. Hope they stay on.

Ever since 1997, the shade of red changed from the more darker burgundy or blood red to the brighter red of Marlboro. Their sponsorship is basically the whole paintwork.

[JacKy]

Some sources says Jean Todt will be announced tomorrow!

[Tifoso]

For what? :-)

[FerrariF60]

For what? :-)

if indeed it is true....prolly some advisor role....kind of like Lauda was at Merc....
can't see him being TP....Binotto has that function

[jgonzalesm6]

Scuderia organizational structure

https://corporate.ferrari.com/en/ferrari-designs-new-organizational-structure-seize-opportunities-ahead?s=08

[Aziz]

Scuderia organizational structure

https://corporate.ferrari.com/en/ferrari-designs-new-organizational-structure-seize-opportunities-ahead?s=08

So this is the news they advertise?

[Toothlessrage*]

Remember the rumblings that Jean Todt would come back to Ferrari?

Supposedly, there have been changes within Ferrari that have influenced the probability of Todt's arrival.
These changes make it highly unlikely that Todt will re-join the Scuderia.

Reported by Joe Saward (F1 journalist): https://joesaward.wordpress.com/

[Lesky]

Just to cheer you up:

The final Abu Dhabu race resulted in this absolute gem :lol The middle part of the song with the "MICHAEL, TOTO" stand-off slaps like crazy!

Just got it randomly recomended after being out of F1 for 3 weeks, its so good :-D :thumb :clap It will never get old!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=1hXjcSqGrhc

[patrese86]

Haha that's good.

[458 Italia]

Just been reading an article that states merc dropped their appeal under the premise that the FIA sack Michael Masi and one other person. It also says the FIA must do this to avoid hamilton taking a sabbatical. They have of course denied any such deal or conversation took place.

[Toothlessrage*]

Just been reading an article that states merc dropped their appeal under the premise that the FIA sack Michael Masi and one other person. It also says the FIA must do this to avoid hamilton taking a sabbatical. They have of course denied any such deal or conversation took place.

I understand "Mikey no no " Masi has been inconsistent.
But, to sack him just to appease Lewis?
Now, there's some spoilt spoilt-brat ***** right there!

[Silent Bob]

This is a good opportunity for Hamilton to retire, perfect excuse. He goes out of F1 at the top and doesn't have go up against Russel who could give him more of a run than Bottas and tarnish his reputation.

[ferrari1.8t]

I love how all the butt-hurt ham fans pretend that Wolff didn’t beg Masi not to send out the saftey car. He was trying to influence the race. He has been the first one on the phone with Masi throughout the year influencing decisions that will help Hamilton, also sending emails to Masi etc. Now he, his wife and countless delusional ham fans want to say that F1 lacks credibility? They have the gull to request Masi be fired? And say that team principals shouldn’t be allowed to talk to the race director? It’s unbelievable to me.

I hope Hamilton retires, F1 will be a less toxic place when he’s gone. At least Merc is returning to silver cars and regular uniforms. Maybe the drivers will stop kneeling finally and get on with it.

[stefa]

:clap

[kshitijmalkan]

Absolute Garbage!

MM had some large shoes to fill. And yes, his decisions had been inconsistent, including the last race, but he is still new to the game. He has also had one other toughest years and rivalries to cope with.

He did not have the luxury of additional advisors. And the inconsistent decisions are not just his to make, but also rest on the shoulders of race stewarts.

The way I see it, he tried to get a race going to possibly not end the season under red flags and have a race for the championship right up to the end.

Charlie was good, but made far bigger F-ups, at times costing lives. If he wasn't let go for that, I don't see why MM has to be let go for a couple of bad calls, with team bosses pounding his ear at every corner.

Frankly, the FIA should ensure only 1 way communications between the Race Director and teams. There is no clarification of rules on the fly! The teams use this to get a byball... and when the decision does not go their way or they interpret the rules differently they call for the race directors head!

Merc are behaving like kindergarten cry babies. Get over it!

Maybe these rumours are true and Ross sees the writing on the wall. F1 has turned into a circus and the real ring leaders are Team Bosses.

If MM is sacked. I will be giving up on my Sky Sports package. Sadly too many off us pay for this and not get anything in return.

Seem the indian government got something right! F1 is entertainment, not a sport, and the biggest start to bow down to is Lewis.

At the current rate I would imagine MBS probably has invited Lewis to his Palace and has Lewis and Toto dictating a new rule book.

[Silent Bob]

It will be bad optics if they fire Masi. Keep him as race director and change the rules. If they sack him at Mercs request, then it will really look like Toto and Merc run the FIA.

[jgonzalesm6]

Here's my opinion on Masi getting sacked. (If this is true).

It was MbS (new FIA Director) who said to Mercedes-->" Drop the appeal and we wil get rid of Masi."

Looking at the 2022 FIA organizational hierachy, Masi is no longer there......so it might be true.

[Brembo]

This is a good opportunity for Hamilton to retire, perfect excuse. He goes out of F1 at the top and doesn't have go up against Russel who could give him more of a run than Bottas and tarnish his reputation.

I'm sure Luis want's to go out with 8 WDCs. It should have happened last race. And for sure Russell is the driver to worry about, 2 1/2 seasons with zero points. A 5 DNF race and a rain out race got him finally in the points.

[stefa]

I'm sure Luis want's to go out with 8 WDCs. It should have happened last race. And for sure Russell is the driver to worry about, 2 1/2 seasons with zero points. A 5 DNF race and a rain out race got him finally in the points.

Usual troll garbage :-ZZ

[Brembo]

Usual troll garbage :-ZZ

So then stop trolling! :rotfl

[330 p4]

It's ok for this reaction to Massi but was sore loser and ridiculousxwhen Vettel swore about Charlie Whiting on the radio at Canada 2019. 1 rule for 1, 1 for the others. Liberty love this though, keeps F1 in the spotlight at a time of year casual viewers forget what it is. WWE F1 back soon, Drive to Survive in a few weeks.

[Silent Bob]

I'm sure Luis want's to go out with 8 WDCs. It should have happened last race. And for sure Russell is the driver to worry about, 2 1/2 seasons with zero points. A 5 DNF race and a rain out race got him finally in the points.

Of course he wanted to. Just not sure with the major rule change if Merc will be as dominant or his team mate will be as keen to move over for him. He might have to work for his next one and hopefully against a dominant Ferrari.

[Brembo]

Ferrari has the drivers. Lets hope the car is as new as what we are reading about as far as moving up into the top 3 . As far as Russell being Rubenized in his contract it remains to be seen. Todt's "Let him pass" on the radio is long gone. F-1 needs Ferrari back on top !!

[Rishu]

Rumour: Abiteboul could join RedBull and head their power train project

[jgonzalesm6]

Rumour: Abiteboul could join RedBull and head their power train project

IF true.........:roll :ouch

"Whatta-foul" did'nt do anything for Renault. He's useless. I hope this is'nt true.

[Tifoso Svedese]

IF true.........:roll :ouch

"Whatta-foul" did'nt do anything for Renault. He's useless. I hope this is'nt true.

If Red Bull are useless it benefits Ferrari? :lol If Max would have a gokart engine it would be one less problem trying to win.

[Liscia]

Abitofbull at RB will do little if anything to help - let's hope rumors are true.

[tifosi1993]

Launch dates so far:

AM on 10th February

McLaren on 11th February

Ferrari on 17th February

[ntukza]

Ferrari has the drivers. Lets hope the car is as new as what we are reading about as far as moving up into the top 3 . As far as Russell being Rubenized in his contract it remains to be seen. Todt's "Let him pass" on the radio is long gone . F-1 needs Ferrari back on top !!

You mean you've never heard of the phrase "Valtteri it's James"?

[tifosi1993]

Launch dates (Updated):

February 10: AM

February 11: McLaren

February 17: Ferrari

February 18: Mercedes

[Brembo]

You mean you've never heard of the phrase "Valtteri it's James"?

Valtier it's James, try to get in front of Max!!!:rotfl Ferrari in the mix for WDC WCC !!!! 2022!!!!

[speedmaster]

Mercedes enters 2022 with extra horsepower through improved turbocharger

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/103203/mercedes-enters-2022-with-extra-horsepower-through-improved-turbocharger.html

Can they really gain so much on top of what they already have :Hmm

[jgonzalesm6]

Rumour: Abiteboul could join RedBull and head their power train project

Not gonna happen. Just a rumour as you posted.


Mercedes enters 2022 with extra horsepower through improved turbocharger

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/103203/mercedes-enters-2022-with-extra-horsepower-through-improved-turbocharger.html

Can they really gain so much on top of what they already have :Hmm

another rumour as well.

[PURE PASSION]

Not gonna happen. Just a rumour as you posted.



another rumour as well.

As ours !!!:-D EVERYTHING we read now are just rumours. We just have to wait to see witch of them will be confirmed on track !!!

[JPZ]

Will Hamilton retire?

Or is he and Mercedes just trying to force concessions from the FIA?

[Liscia]

YES PLEASE! (replying to your first question:)
Practicing their dramatic acting chops in reply to your second? Oh poor them with violins playing in the background

[paolo lalli]

All this chatter is healthy for the forum.If mercedes think they are going to drive off into the sun set with this turbo hype keep dreaming Mark my words ferrari will be scaring the hell out of them,binotto toing and frowing with the performance of the 2022 challenger playing the cards steadily.Well testing can't come quick enough,but then again that is purely a guide and nothing else.Keep the chat rolling towards the lights out race 1.

[20000rpm]

He's not going to retire.. just trying to gain some sympathy for being a sore loser, which I don't think he's at fault for a crime committed by his team under safety car.
He would retire straight away if he has the balls to do, if George beats him(not happening since George himself has stated that he wants to be treated equally like Bottas in Mercedes. Would have made more sense if he said Nico.) or someone from Ferrari.

[Hornet]

I can't believe Lewis fans are still ranting on social media about last season, and people like Skysports keep fueling it which is really dumb.
I wish Lewis would just leave F1 and take all the drama along with him.

We can focus back on actual racing matters which is going to be exciting with the new car design. Can't wait to see the new cars and pre-season testing

[Brembo]

Millions of happy fans and $$ sponsors seeing Max get that WDC. Had Lewis won his 8th it would have been the opposite. Whatever truly went down that last lap and Max the winner made F-1 millions of happy fans . The excitement of all the 2022 races would have been lost for sure had Lewis got his 8th WDC.

[Redfive]

I can't believe Lewis fans are still ranting on social media about last season, and people like Skysports keep fueling it which is really dumb.
I wish Lewis would just leave F1 and take all the drama along with him.

We can focus back on actual racing matters which is going to be exciting with the new car design. Can't wait to see the new cars and pre-season testing

If I'm still around when he retires I will totally celebrate and be delighted. and before someone says it, it's not a racist thing or even a Lewis thing. I'm just tired of his vile, toxic, infantile and uneducated fanbase. it's so toxic and I hope when he retires they'll all head to another sport or whatever.

[stefa]

If I'm still around when he retires I will totally celebrate and be delighted. and before someone says it, it's not a racist thing or even a Lewis thing. I'm just tired of his vile, toxic, infantile and uneducated fanbase. it's so toxic and I hope when he retires they'll all head to another sport or whatever.
:clap

[Nick Singer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961

F1 bans military fly-pasts..

One word. Rhymes with the things you use to moor a ship at sea.

[wisepie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961

F1 bans military fly-pasts..

One word. Rhymes with the things you use to moor a ship at sea.

That's a great way of putting it and I totally agree, already they say that Silverstone and Monza could be exempt so what's the point?!:-E

[Silent Bob]

Ok Nick you got me. What's the word. Does it rhyme with anchor?

[jgonzalesm6]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961

F1 bans military fly-pasts..

One word. Rhymes with the things you use to moor a ship at sea.

Unbelievable!!!!!:roll :roll :roll

F1 just keeps getting more and more woke. Next on the list, everyone arriving by car SHOULD RIDE A BIKE TO THE TRACK.....please.

[springfield]

Who cares about some planes? It added nothing to the show, just for countries to show their military power, which has nothing to do with sport.

[jgonzalesm6]

Who cares about some planes? It added nothing to the show, just for countries to show their military power, which has nothing to do with sport.

It's tradition. Here in the states, we fly military (vintage as well) and rotary aircraft over NASCAR, F1, NFL and collegiate games with open stadiums.

Silverstone was once a military base back in WWII and it's would be nice to see any of: a spitfire, Lancaster, or a Mosquito fly overhead as a tribute.

Ferrari's prancing horse (the horse is really rearing) comes from a WWI Italian fighter pilot that Enzo got permission from the family to display on his cars in commemoration.

[wisepie]

It's tradition. Here in the states, we fly military (vintage as well) and rotary aircraft over NASCAR, F1, NFL and collegiate games with open stadiums.

Silverstone was once a military base back in WWII and it's would be nice to see any of: a spitfire, Lancaster, or a Mosquito fly overhead as a tribute.

Ferrari's prancing horse (the horse is really rearing) comes from a WWI Italian fighter pilot that Enzo got permission from the family to display on his cars in commemoration.

Good points all. But would they run on new-generation fuels without exploding?!;-)

[springfield]

All points are a thing of past. We all know US loves to show it's military power and it's love for guns, that doesn't mean it should be a part of a sporting event.

[jgonzalesm6]

All points are a thing of past. We all know US loves to show it's military power and it's love for guns, that doesn't mean it should be a part of a sporting event.

Well, with regards to the U.S., it's part of our constitution--> the right to bear arms. Nonetheless, it's not just us, but other countries as well whom show their military power over special events. It also shows strength wihin the country.

Some F1 venues have a flying acrobatic team that fly over just before the start of the race....like Italy for instance.

[wisepie]

I would prefer to think of these fly-pats as purely celebrating a country's identity rather than any other message. In my case, it's only the Frecce Tricolori that make me proud and emotional, despite being a Brit!;-)

[Tony]

All points are a thing of past. We all know US loves to show it's military power and it's love for guns, that doesn't mean it should be a part of a sporting event.

To be honest, we were doing this same thing in Montreal prior to the introduction of the US races. It was actually one of my favorite parts of the race. But I digress.

[springfield]

Then you should probably go to an air show instead ;-)
I know I won't be missing the planes. And it's kinda weird that they want to make F1 eco friendly, but leave planes in it, no? Those planes burn more fuel than all F1 cars throughout the weekend.

[jgonzalesm6]

Then you should probably go to an air show instead ;-)
I know I won't be missing the planes. And it's kinda weird that they want to make F1 eco friendly, but leave planes in it, no? Those planes burn more fuel than all F1 cars throughout the weekend.

F1 burns more from a logistical standpoint transporting F1 all over the globe. For instance, Mexico City at the Autodromo de Rodriguez, 7 747's arrived at the airport carrying F1 cargo.

F1 eco friendly???....yeah right.

[Silent Bob]

OK. Can someone tell me what the word is that rhymes with the things that moor ships at sea? I'm losing sleep here.

[jgonzalesm6]

OK. Can someone tell me what the word is that rhymes with the things that moor ships at sea? I'm losing sleep here.

w + anchor = (sounds the same but not spelled the same).......it's a British "slang" word.

[springfield]

F1 burns more from a logistical standpoint transporting F1 all over the globe. For instance, Mexico City at the Autodromo de Rodriguez, 7 747's arrived at the airport carrying F1 cargo.

F1 eco friendly???....yeah right.

I agree with you, eco friendly F1 does not make any sense. BUT before they cut V8s and intruduced fuel limits, they should have cut planes flying over circuits and huge motorhomes. That's just my 2¢.

[jgonzalesm6]

I agree with you, eco friendly F1 does not make any sense. BUT before they cut V8s and intruduced fuel limits, they should have cut planes flying over circuits and huge motorhomes. That's just my 2¢.

I'm all for V8's or V10's but instead of all this hybrid tech nonsense, let's use Biofuels to cut emissions or have a lesser carbon footprint. Biofuels then use less fossel fuels. The commercial airliner segment can use this as well to include the military of any government entity.

[jgonzalesm6]

If you wanna play, ya gotta pay

How much each circuit on the calendar pays F1

Whilst there are 23 races scheduled on the 2022 F1 calendar, there are a total of 25 circuits that hold contracts with the sport. RacingNews365.com takes a look at how much each track pays to host its Grand Prix.

The Formula 1 season has become longer and longer in recent years, and the 2022 calendar is set to be the biggest yet, with 23 races scheduled to go ahead. The possibility also exists that this could be extended in years to come.

There are in fact 25 circuits that hold contracts with F1, given that China and Qatar each have an agreement for the future, despite not holding a Grand Prix in 2022. Additionallly, there has been much talk over potential new venues such as Las Vegas.

But how long are the current tracks on the calendar set to remain, and how much are their contracts worth? RacingNews365.com has taken a closer look into the details.

Short-term F1 contracts
There are a number of races for which the long-term future is not yet entirely certain. A handful of circuits are on the calendar this year and have yet to sit down at the negotiating table with Formula 1.

Other circuits are on the schedule, but are still under negotiation and do not have a contract yet. The expectation is that these contracts will all be finalised.

The Belgian Grand Prix, for instance, has a contract up to and including 2022, and a new deal is still being negotiated. The same applies to Monaco, Bahrain, France, Austria and Mexico. Monaco has not yet announced a new contract, but will be on this year's calendar, and nothing is known yet about the following years.

Meanwhile, the Austrian Grand Prix, held at the Red Bull Ring, has an option for a multi-year extension. With Red Bull being the owners of the circuit, it seems a mere formality that this option will be taken up.

The race in Austin also has no new deal yet, and the same applies for Singapore. They are negotiating for the race there but, since they are on the 2022 calendar, a new deal seems a matter of course.

Long-term F1 contracts
There are some venues on the calendar that hold long-term deals with F1, and these are mostly circuits that pay a significant amount to host a Grand Prix. Qatar is one example, which has an agreement for 10 years from 2023.

Qatar pays $55 million per year for its contract, which is the highest amount on the list of contract costs. Others to spend this much include Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan, whilst China, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Russia also all pay a sizeable amount of money.

One addition to the calendar which holds a slightly different agreement is Miami, a new track for 2022 which will remain on the schedule for 10 years. F1 itself is working with the race organisers on this venue, meaning that the sport will take on some of the costs.

Below is an overview of the F1 circuit contracts, together with the fees they pay each year in dollars (if they are on the calendar). This list has been compiled on the basis of extensive discussions with various parties, including the organisers, Formula 1 and the teams themselves.

In all, the hosting fees in 2022 come to a total of around $700 million a year, which is paid to F1.

F1 Grand Prix circuit contracts


Country Circuit Hosting fee ($) Contract ends Comment

Bahrain Sakhir............ 45 million 2022+ Renewal forthcoming
Saudi Arabia Jeddah... 55 million 2025 May move to Qiddiya in the future
Australia Albert Park... 35 million 2023
Italy Imola.................. 20 million 2025 Contract not yet signed
United States Miami.... Collaboration 2031 Circuit still to be approved
Spain Barcelona......... 25 million 2026
Monaco Monte Carlo... 15 million 2021* Is on calendar, renewal being negotiated
Azerbaijan Baku......... 55 million 2024 Renewed in 2021
Canada Montreal........ 30 million 2029
France Paul Ricard..... 22 million 2022
Austria Red Bull Ring.. 25 million 2022+ Option for multi-year extension
Great Britain Silverstone.. 25 million 2024
Hungary Hungaroring.... 40 million 2027
Belgium Spa............... 22 million 2022 New deal being negotiated
Netherlands Zandvoort.. 32 million 2023+ Option for two-year extension
Italy Monza................. 25 million 2024 Renewed in 2020
Russia Sochi............... 50 million 2025 Held at Igora Drive Circuit from 2023 onwards
Singapore Marina Bay... 35 million 2021* Is on calendar, renewal being negotiated
Japan Suzuka.............. 25 million 2024
Mexico H. Rodriguez.... 25 million 2022
United States Austin.... 25 million 2021* Is on calendar, renewal being negotiated
Brazil Interlagos........... 25 million 2025
Abu Dhabi Yas Marina.. 40 million 2030
China Shanghai............ 50 million 2025 Returns in 2023
Qatar Losail................. 55 million 2031 From 2023 onwards



https://racingnews365.com/how-much-each-circuit-on-the-calendar-pays-to-formula-1

[jgonzalesm6]

Alpha Tauri is the latest launch date

Aston Martin - 10.02
McLaren - 11.02
Alpha Tauri - 14.02
Ferrari - 17.02
Mercedes - 18.02

[jgonzalesm6]

Alpine launch date is Feb. 21st.

[WS6TransAm01]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961

F1 bans military fly-pasts..

One word. Rhymes with the things you use to moor a ship at sea.

Formula 1 appears to be ran by a bunch of bundle[s] of sticks.

[XXX132]

Who cares about some planes? It added nothing to the show, just for countries to show their military power, which has nothing to do with sport.

Try not to be such a buzz kill.

Fly pasts are a part of the race weekend; they help create an atmosphere about the event. Nobody goes to a concert just to watch a band come on stage, play a few songs and disappear. You expect lighting, stage props, smoke, special effects etc. None of that adds anything to the music but it kinda does.

[jgonzalesm6]

Looks like Honda will stay commited to RedBull until 2025.


Honda set to extend direct Red Bull supply to 2025

In a dramatic change of plan Honda will continue to supply power units to Red Bull directly from Japan until the end of the current Formula 1 regulations.


Honda ceased its official works involvement in the sport at the end of last season, and henceforth Red Bull is paying for its services, including the development of this year’s power unit for the move from E5 to E10 fuel.

The original strategy as announced late last year was that the new Red Bull Powertrains division would take complete power units from Honda, with full engineering support at the tracks, only in 2022.

Once RBP had got up to speed it would then build the engines from Honda parts at its Milton Keynes facility in 2023, 2024 and 2025 while simultaneously working on its own project for the new F1 rules that come into force in 2026.

However Red Bull motorsport boss Helmut Marko has confirmed that the plan has changed, and the intention now is that Honda will continue to supply complete engines from Japan to RBR and AlphaTauri until the end of 2025.

The decision removes any concerns about issues such as quality control that might result from moving the building of the power units to the UK, while also freeing up RBP to focus more on its 2026 project.

The change has been made in part to ensure that RBP will still be a new participant when its own engine is introduced in 2026.

It will thus benefit from the concessions that are being discussed mainly to help encourage the VW Group to finally commit to F1, such as a higher power unit budget cap.

It’s understood that details of the new arrangements have yet to be finalised, and it’s not clear yet whether the engines will still be badged as Hondas until 2025, although such a move would be logical given the desire to ensure that RBP is a new participant in 2026.

“We have now also found a completely different solution to the one originally envisaged,” Marko told Autoreview magazine.

“The engines will be manufactured in Japan until 2025, we will not touch them at all. That means that the rights and all these things will remain with the Japanese, which is important for 2026 because it makes us newcomers.

Marko suggested that winning the 2021 world championship has encouraged Honda to remain closer to F1 than had been expected.

“In the course of our ever greater successes, a certain rethinking has taken place among the Japanese. And also that they could of course use the battery knowledge for their electrification phase.

“It was initially planned that they would only make our motors for 2022. Now it has been decided that this will continue until 2025, which is of course a huge advantage for us. This means we only have to make fine adjustments and calibrations.”

Regarding the building up of the RBP facility he added: “The prerequisite for this agreement was that engine development was frozen. Because the first phase would have been that we do everything ourselves. That's why we started in Milton Keynes and dutifully bought in from [dyno supplier] AVL.

“The plant will go into full operation in May/June. The final decision to do it ourselves was conditional on everything being frozen. Because otherwise we wouldn't have had a chance with this complex thing.”

Meanwhile as reported on Wednesday former Honda F1 boss Masashi Yamamoto has left the manufacturer to set up his own consultancy in order to provide a bridge between Red Bull and Japan, further extending the continuity between the partners.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda-set-to-extend-direct-red-bull-supply-to-2025/7677393/

[kshitijmalkan]

Gp247 article stating... Michael Masi almost certainly out!


Sad state of affairs, he seems to be the FIAs scapegoat.

I stand by it... Charlie Whiting has made worse calls.

[Redfive]

Yet mode proof that Mercedes own F1, they can bribe and threaten and get what they want. it's despicable
if this is true then I'm guessing the WDC will be nailed on for Ham in 2022 regardless of what happens.

[Redfive]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60082961

F1 bans military fly-pasts..

One word. Rhymes with the things you use to moor a ship at sea.

of course british bias kicks in again, Silverstone exempt.

[wisepie]

I'm sure I read that the Frecce Tricolori would also be allowed at Monza despite this new crusade against carbon emissions/power posturing.:-??

[20000rpm]

Is it me, or F1's really becoming a joke these days!!

[Kyss4k]

Red Bull 2022 car didn't pass the FIA crash tests. They have to strengthen the front crash structure.

[jgonzalesm6]

Drama at AMRF1???? Maybe the reason why Otmar left??? I would not want to be under Mr. "Strollavich" if all this is true."

Crisis unfolds: Aston Martin will not make first test

Aston Martin Racing has appointed a new F1 team principal for the 2022 season. Former head of BMW’s global motorsport operation Mike Krack has joined the outfit after the departure of long-standing team member Otmar Szafnauer, but the new boss will be taking on a Formula 1 team in crisis.

Krack has plenty of experience during his time in motorsport, after a decade in Formula One working for Sauber. Most recently Krack was in charge of the BMW Formula E team as well as the GT and IMSA programmes. But Krack will be tackling some significant issues in a team that has over the years gained a reputation of punching well above its weight, but now appears to be headed to disaster.

A source within the team has revealed to this website a deepening resentment in the factory at the situation unfolding.

Canadian billionaire Lawerence Stroll took over the self confessed ‘plucky family team’ known as Force India owned by Vijay Mallya. A team who gained a deserved reputation for making the most of limited resources, often at the head of the fiercely competitive midfield and frequently embarrassing far better funded competitors.

Now the squad has received significant investment and a total rebrand as the official works Aston Martin team with the focus of a marketing vehicle for the carmaker rather than a grassroots style racing team.

Further, the team has gone from a modest, but efficient workforce to a far larger entity of what appears to be ‘headless chickens’ according to our source. Despite the 200+ additional employees, the issues within the team have impacted the development of the brand new 2022 Formula 1 car, the AMR22, set to be the first car of the grid with a presentation date of Thursday the 10th of February.

Despite being first out of the blocks with the show car, TJ13 understands that the real car will be far from ready when the first winter tests start later in February. Furthermore the source reveals that:

“The car is miles behind to the point if it makes 1st test at Barcelona on Feb 23rd everyone will be so surprised you’ll hear the cheer from outer space….”

Understandably Lawrence Stroll is not a happy bunny; the new highly paid executives and their underlings too scared to voice what needs to be said in countless meetings in an attempt to resolve the problems, whilst significant sums of money are being thrown at the issues.

Indeed it seems to many within the team feel that the former team principal Otmar Szafnauer jumped ship to Alpine having seen the writing on the wall. The new boss Mike Krack will have a mountain to climb to get the team back on track.

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/28/crisis-unfolds-aston-martin-will-not-make-first-test/

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 at Vegas....coming soon.

https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/status/1487348223740022784?cxt=HHwWgMCo1YjVj6QpAAAA


Hat trick for number of F1 races in the United States.

[ferrari1.8t]

Red Bull 2022 car didn't pass the FIA crash tests. They have to strengthen the front crash structure.

Mercedes failed as well. Apparently they had an extreme solution that didn’t work out.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-reportedly-fail-2022-crash-test/

[ferrari1.8t]

Is it me, or F1's really becoming a joke these days!!

Definitely has become a joke. The woke culture that is spreading around the world has hit F1 and is slowly destroying it. That, plus appeasing to Hamilton’s every wish is putting the nail in the coffin. The media still can’t stop talking about how the poor baby was robbed and how can he possibly continue to race?. 50 million a year, unlimited protection from the FIA, 7 gifted titles in the bag and he really needs a reason to continue? Please, get over yourself.

So happy to see Merc will be silver again, and the fact that Ham isn’t champion. Maybe we can focus on racing again and not appeasing him. Here is hoping Ferrari are competitive this year!!

[20000rpm]

Definitely has become a joke. The woke culture that is spreading around the world has hit F1 and is slowly destroying it. That, plus appeasing to Hamilton’s every wish is putting the nail in the coffin. The media still can’t stop talking about how the poor baby was robbed and how can he possibly continue to race?. 50 million a year, unlimited protection from the FIA, 7 gifted titles in the bag and he really needs a reason to continue? Please, get over yourself.

So happy to see Merc will be silver again, and the fact that Ham isn’t champion. Maybe we can focus on racing again and not appeasing him. Here is hoping Ferrari are competitive this year!!

Well, there's no smoke without fire. The British media keeps on clinging on to old conspiracy theories and people believe in it.
I do want Hamilton to be beaten either by one of our boys or Max or any other worthy contender so that he see the writing on the wall. Schumacher, Nico knew when their time was up and they retired gracefully without creating a fuss. This guy's nothing but a drama king.

[20000rpm]

Drama at AMRF1???? Maybe the reason why Otmar left??? I would not want to be under Mr. "Strollavich" if all this is true."

Crisis unfolds: Aston Martin will not make first test

Aston Martin Racing has appointed a new F1 team principal for the 2022 season. Former head of BMW’s global motorsport operation Mike Krack has joined the outfit after the departure of long-standing team member Otmar Szafnauer, but the new boss will be taking on a Formula 1 team in crisis.

Krack has plenty of experience during his time in motorsport, after a decade in Formula One working for Sauber. Most recently Krack was in charge of the BMW Formula E team as well as the GT and IMSA programmes. But Krack will be tackling some significant issues in a team that has over the years gained a reputation of punching well above its weight, but now appears to be headed to disaster.

A source within the team has revealed to this website a deepening resentment in the factory at the situation unfolding.

Canadian billionaire Lawerence Stroll took over the self confessed ‘plucky family team’ known as Force India owned by Vijay Mallya. A team who gained a deserved reputation for making the most of limited resources, often at the head of the fiercely competitive midfield and frequently embarrassing far better funded competitors.

Now the squad has received significant investment and a total rebrand as the official works Aston Martin team with the focus of a marketing vehicle for the carmaker rather than a grassroots style racing team.

Further, the team has gone from a modest, but efficient workforce to a far larger entity of what appears to be ‘headless chickens’ according to our source. Despite the 200+ additional employees, the issues within the team have impacted the development of the brand new 2022 Formula 1 car, the AMR22, set to be the first car of the grid with a presentation date of Thursday the 10th of February.

Despite being first out of the blocks with the show car, TJ13 understands that the real car will be far from ready when the first winter tests start later in February. Furthermore the source reveals that:

“The car is miles behind to the point if it makes 1st test at Barcelona on Feb 23rd everyone will be so surprised you’ll hear the cheer from outer space….”

Understandably Lawrence Stroll is not a happy bunny; the new highly paid executives and their underlings too scared to voice what needs to be said in countless meetings in an attempt to resolve the problems, whilst significant sums of money are being thrown at the issues.

Indeed it seems to many within the team feel that the former team principal Otmar Szafnauer jumped ship to Alpine having seen the writing on the wall. The new boss Mike Krack will have a mountain to climb to get the team back on track.

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/28/crisis-unfolds-aston-martin-will-not-make-first-test/

Stroll senior is jumping the gun in return for quick results, a recipie for disaster. It will be good to see how he deals with the scenario he created and going against his personality.

[jgonzalesm6]

Gp247 article stating... Michael Masi almost certainly out!


Sad state of affairs, he seems to be the FIAs scapegoat.

I stand by it... Charlie Whiting has made worse calls.


Nothing has been confirmed yet from the FIA.


Mercedes failed as well. Apparently they had an extreme solution that didn’t work out.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-reportedly-fail-2022-crash-test/

This has been falsely reported by a number of articles and tweets. Reports by Motorsport Italy that Mercedes allegedly failed the FIA crash tests are false.
Mercedes told RTL that the W13 received the official FIA seal approval for the new season on January 13!

[jgonzalesm6]

Stroll senior is jumping the gun in return for quick results, a recipie for disaster. It will be good to see how he deals with the scenario he created and going against his personality.

I know of someone who knows Stoll's Sr. behavior and he's very short tempered and impatient. I would'nt be surprised IF he sold the team to Porsche or Audi.

He literally copied the Mercedes thinking he would gain an advantage but then the floor regs came in and that hampered the year old xeroxed Mercedes and his team could'nt adapt to the floor changes. Frustration is setting in for Stroll Sr......not to mention his son is in his 6th year in F1 and is average at best.

[aroutis]

Drama at AMRF1???? Maybe the reason why Otmar left??? I would not want to be under Mr. "Strollavich" if all this is true."

Crisis unfolds: Aston Martin will not make first test

Aston Martin Racing has appointed a new F1 team principal for the 2022 season. Former head of BMW’s global motorsport operation Mike Krack has joined the outfit after the departure of long-standing team member Otmar Szafnauer, but the new boss will be taking on a Formula 1 team in crisis.

Krack has plenty of experience during his time in motorsport, after a decade in Formula One working for Sauber. Most recently Krack was in charge of the BMW Formula E team as well as the GT and IMSA programmes. But Krack will be tackling some significant issues in a team that has over the years gained a reputation of punching well above its weight, but now appears to be headed to disaster.

A source within the team has revealed to this website a deepening resentment in the factory at the situation unfolding.

Canadian billionaire Lawerence Stroll took over the self confessed ‘plucky family team’ known as Force India owned by Vijay Mallya. A team who gained a deserved reputation for making the most of limited resources, often at the head of the fiercely competitive midfield and frequently embarrassing far better funded competitors.

Now the squad has received significant investment and a total rebrand as the official works Aston Martin team with the focus of a marketing vehicle for the carmaker rather than a grassroots style racing team.

Further, the team has gone from a modest, but efficient workforce to a far larger entity of what appears to be ‘headless chickens’ according to our source. Despite the 200+ additional employees, the issues within the team have impacted the development of the brand new 2022 Formula 1 car, the AMR22, set to be the first car of the grid with a presentation date of Thursday the 10th of February.

Despite being first out of the blocks with the show car, TJ13 understands that the real car will be far from ready when the first winter tests start later in February. Furthermore the source reveals that:

“The car is miles behind to the point if it makes 1st test at Barcelona on Feb 23rd everyone will be so surprised you’ll hear the cheer from outer space….”

Understandably Lawrence Stroll is not a happy bunny; the new highly paid executives and their underlings too scared to voice what needs to be said in countless meetings in an attempt to resolve the problems, whilst significant sums of money are being thrown at the issues.

Indeed it seems to many within the team feel that the former team principal Otmar Szafnauer jumped ship to Alpine having seen the writing on the wall. The new boss Mike Krack will have a mountain to climb to get the team back on track.

https://thejudge13.com/2022/01/28/crisis-unfolds-aston-martin-will-not-make-first-test/

I seriously doubt that was the reason Otmar left.

[aroutis]

This has been falsely reported by a number of articles and tweets. Reports by Motorsport Italy that Mercedes allegedly failed the FIA crash tests are false.
Mercedes told RTL that the W13 received the official FIA seal approval for the new season on January 13!
They failed the initial test but had a plan B in place. Reason they failed the test is that their initial approach was "too radical".
Also, AFAIK, also RBR failed their test.

[20000rpm]

I know of someone who knows Stoll's Sr. behavior and he's very short tempered and impatient. I would'nt be surprised IF he sold the team to Porsche or Audi.

He literally copied the Mercedes thinking he would gain an advantage but then the floor regs came in and that hampered the year old xeroxed Mercedes and his team could'nt adapt to the floor changes. Frustration is setting in for Stroll Sr......not to mention his son is in his 6th year in F1 and is average at best.

Well.. they say "Understand and copy rather than blindly copying" for a reason :lol

[jgonzalesm6]

[Scarbs]

First off: suspension. The regs detail the outboard & inboard suspension.
Outboard the suspension must pass into the bigger wheels & must not change ride height +2mm. This bans the exposed pivots & pushrod mounts.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1488215409757245445/photo/1


The option of pushrod or pullrod geometry opens up.
Having a lower inboard set up, flattens the effective geometry of the wishbone/pushrod. The pushrod must be inside the wheel & no lower 40mm below the axle.
So, it may be better to have a pullrod.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1488215426052104199/photo/1



The inboard suspension will also be changed, it will be much simpler front and rear. Its function will be more transparent, compared to the hydraulics & gas springs that lowered the rear at speed and supported the front under braking.
Inerters, mechanical or fluid are also banned.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1488215435749490688/photo/1



We will see a simpler set up with everything at the rocker.
Just mechanical springs (inc torsion bars) and 'simple' dampers to control, pitch, roll and single wheel movement.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1488215442921504770/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

Well.. they say "Understand and copy rather than blindly copying" for a reason :lol

Renault kept "flagging" the AMRF1 car was "illegal" race after race due to the copying of the brakes(listed item).....but AMRF1 kept going and eventually got penalized 15 points in the constructors.

[Tony]

I'm having bad memories of prior championships where Mercedes or Red Bull went with extreme solutions and didn't pass crash tests.......

[20000rpm]

Renault kept "flagging" the AMRF1 car was "illegal" race after race due to the copying of the brakes(listed item).....but AMRF1 kept going and eventually got penalized 15 points in the constructors.

Gives me enough confidence that FiA will be impartial in implementing their own rules.. I ain't jumping but if AMRF1 got away with it, then what is the guarantee that other teams wont' use illegal solutions(not extreme ones) only to get slapped on the wrists at a later stage. I mean FiA would be fighting a mess it created. :ouch:ouch

[speedmaster]

Does anyone has a picture of Alfa Romeo rear, heard they posted a pic of it.

[Rishu]

Does anyone has a picture of Alfa Romeo rear, heard they posted a pic of it.

https://postimg.cc/rDLZ4Tcs

[jgonzalesm6]

LAUNCH DATES:

10 FEB - Aston MartinAMR22
11 FEB - McLaren MCL36
14 FEB - AlphaTauri AT03
17 FEB - Ferrari F1-75
18 FEB - Mercedes W13
22 FEB - Alpine A522
27 FEB - Alfa Romeo C42

TO BE ANNOUNCED:
Red BullRB18
WilliamsFW44
HaasVF-22

[jgonzalesm6]

RedBull launch

09 FEB - RedBull RB18
10 FEB - Aston MartinAMR22
11 FEB - McLaren MCL36
14 FEB - AlphaTauri AT03
17 FEB - Ferrari F1-75
18 FEB - Mercedes W13
22 FEB - Alpine A522
27 FEB - Alfa Romeo C42


https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1489161745742450693?cxt=HHwWisCiwfityKopAAAA

[nani_s23]

RedBull launch

09 FEB - RedBull RB18
10 FEB - Aston MartinAMR22
11 FEB - McLaren MCL36
14 FEB - AlphaTauri AT03
17 FEB - Ferrari F1-75
18 FEB - Mercedes W13
22 FEB - Alpine A522
27 FEB - Alfa Romeo C42


https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1489161745742450693?cxt=HHwWisCiwfityKopAAAA

Haas is doing it’s car launch on Friday 4th Feb before RB.

[stefa]

Confirmed car launch dates:
Feb. 4 - Haas
Feb. 9 - Red Bull
Feb. 10 - Aston Martin
Feb. 11 - McLaren
Feb. 14 - AlphaTauri
Feb. 17 - Ferrari
Feb. 18 - Mercedes
Feb. 21 - Alpine
Feb. 27 - Alfa Romeo

[SilverSpeed]

Not really a launch I've read just a livery showing.

[jgonzalesm6]

HAAS VF-22

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1489554501694537732/photo/1

https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1489554296995733505/photo/3

[Silent Bob]

Those sidepods look so massive. Surely they can slim those down?

[PURE PASSION]

I don't know if something more extreme,at least on some areas, are allowed under the new regulations, but this looks pretty simple. I'll wait to see RBR's for example to see if we will see something special, but if ours will be like Haas's,I will be disappointed!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

I don't know if something more extreme,at least on some areas, are allowed under the new regulations, but this looks pretty simple. I'll wait to see RBR's for example to see if we will see something special, but if ours will be like Haas's,I will be disappointed!!!

I think this is just a livery launch. The front and rear wing looks to generic. Also, the rear wing has no DRS/actuator. The side pod inlets are so small and underwhelming. I hope we get more interesting designs moving forward.

[jgonzalesm6]

I think this is just a livery launch. The front and rear wing looks to generic. Also, the rear wing has no DRS/actuator. The side pod inlets are so small and underwhelming. I hope we get more interesting designs moving forward.

+1

No one, to include the top teams, are going to show their "secrets" on a livery launch. Testing will give us more insight but more so the first grand prix...especially in a new era of aero regs.

[jgonzalesm6]

A teaser pic of the W13

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1489689968524107776/photo/1


https://twitter.com/CircusFuno/status/1489693214294802434/photo/1

[PURE PASSION]

A teaser pic of the W13

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1489689968524107776/photo/1


https://twitter.com/CircusFuno/status/1489693214294802434/photo/1

From these pictures, it looks pretty standard, very similar to FIA model

[jgonzalesm6]

Big changes at Spa Francochamps (English subtitles)

Transforming Spa-Francorchamps for the return of Motorcycle racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXkdJqv9scU

[jgonzalesm6]

Suzuka gets a track upgrade

https://twitter.com/suzuka_event/status/1489901618061398016/photo/1

https://twitter.com/suzuka_event/status/1489901618061398016/photo/2

https://twitter.com/suzuka_event/status/1489901618061398016/photo/3

https://twitter.com/suzuka_event/status/1489901618061398016/photo/4

[Gilles]

+1

No one, to include the top teams, are going to show their "secrets" on a livery launch. Testing will give us more insight but more so the first grand prix...especially in a new era of aero regs.

Think the car shown by Hass could be near the real one one the body side (add the coolig vents removed on the sides)
It mean it could give us a picture of what the red car could be :
Triangular air box, small engine cover, small cooling inlets, coponents shape and packaging done to clean the rear of the car, maybe a forward position of some of them...
Also, maybe rear suspension if not photoshoped as the front one probably is

[jgonzalesm6]

Think the car shown by Hass could be near the real one one the body side (add the coolig vents removed on the sides)
It mean it could give us a picture of what the red car could be :
Triangular air box, small engine cover, small cooling inlets, coponents shape and packaging done to clean the rear of the car, maybe a forward position of some of them...
Also, maybe rear suspension if not photoshoped as the front one probably is

More than likely, but then HAAS isn't a top team so there's really nothing to hide at the moment. If I was a TP of a top team, I would just put a mock-up with a livery and not show the real car until testing....but that's me.

[Gilles]

More than likely, but then HAAS isn't a top team so there's really nothing to hide at the moment. If I was a TP of a top team, I would just put a mock-up with a livery and not show the real car until testing....but that's me.

No doubt you're right for top teams, but i think even small teams could have to hide things this year, remember Brawn gp
Hass provide an early version's render of their car, without mature arodinamyc devices (cooling vents removed, simple wings) and probably fake front pushrod
Since they buy engine, gearbox and rear suspension from Ferrari (and maybe more), we can learn from the Hass just watching agencement and volume
Also, part of their staff were SF engineers one year ago, they know things about SF car and have had to design a car whith same coponents
The laernings could be how they seems to have freed the upper floor's surface and rear wing, that they seems to chose a long wheelbase

[wisepie]

No doubt you're right for top teams, but i think even small teams could have to hide things this year, remember Brawn gp
Hass provide an early version's render of their car, without mature arodinamyc devices (cooling vents removed, simple wings) and probably fake front pushrod
Since they buy engine, gearbox and rear suspension from Ferrari (and maybe more), we can learn from the Hass just watching agencement and volume

Apparently Haas are not using the Ferrari gearbox on the VF22, not sure why.:-??:

[Gilles]

Apparently Haas are not using the Ferrari gearbox on the VF22, not sure why.:-??:

Saw something like that for Sauber, but Hass use SF gearbox in my mind
Found it : "The car is powered by a Ferrari engine and continues to draw other components, including the gearbox, from the Italian team."

[paneristi]

They forgot Lewis won due to Merc’s 2yr preparation before it lobbied FIA to use hybrid engine. How fair, eh?
I can't believe Lewis fans are still ranting on social media about last season, and people like Skysports keep fueling it which is really dumb.
I wish Lewis would just leave F1 and take all the drama along with him.

We can focus back on actual racing matters which is going to be exciting with the new car design. Can't wait to see the new cars and pre-season testing

[jgonzalesm6]

They forgot Lewis won due to Merc’s 2yr preparation before it lobbied FIA to use hybrid engine. How fair, eh?

Mercedes have been developing the turbo-hybrid since 2007....so Mercedes have had an earlier start than everyone else.

Also, throw in the token system (2014 thru 2016...3years) that hampered engine development...that furthered Mercedes dominance.

It took 7 years for Honda, along with RedBull, to catch up to Mercedes. Unbelievable.

[paolo lalli]

May be the fia squared up the ledger with max winning the title from Lewis.well let's face it even i can win the Olympics 100 metres sprint with a 70 metre head start sounds familiar.? I do not believe for 1 second with the mercedes lobbying for hybrid knowing they were scaming years prior would there domination be such,not a chance in the world,easy titles for Lewis.2022 brings a whole new beast iam sure this is front and centre on his mind he will have to earn it now and not just be given it because of mercedes influence those days are over the winning will be incredible should he return.If Lewis does and its a struggle for him to save face I believe an early retirement from the sport will be inevitable.

[Gilles]

More than likely, but then HAAS isn't a top team so there's really nothing to hide at the moment. If I was a TP of a top team, I would just put a mock-up with a livery and not show the real car until testing....but that's me.
after research, reflection and to be more precise:
The Hass pics show us that it is possible to have high air intakes with pushrods front suspension, short sidepods, forward mechanics, unlike the fia model. This choice is said to be more complex but as having more potential. It's surprising coming from a small team, but the transferred engineers were able to bring their acquired knowledge with the Ferrari project, and the Ferrari equipment pushes itself to follow this path: long gearbox
Regarding the Ferrari, with this same long gearbox, it must follow a comparable path

[wisepie]

Saw something like that for Sauber, but Hass use SF gearbox in my mind
Found it : "The car is powered by a Ferrari engine and continues to draw other components, including the gearbox, from the Italian team."

OK, not sure where I thought I had seen that info, but it makes sense to use the Ferrari gearbox. Thanks for the correction!

[Gilles]

OK, not sure where I thought I had seen that info, but it makes sense to use the Ferrari gearbox. Thanks for the correction!

Y're welcome. With gearbox, we should say also housing and rear suspension, as they are buying Ferrari ones.

[wisepie]

Y're welcome. With gearbox, we should say also housing and rear suspension, as they are buying Ferrari ones.

Just realised that it was Sauber/Alfa who apparently aren't using the Ferrari gearbox, strange to distance themselves from their engine supplier, wonder if there's more to it! Merci beaucoup, anyway.

[Gilles]

Just realised that it was Sauber/Alfa who apparently aren't using the Ferrari gearbox, strange to distance themselves from their engine supplier, wonder if there's more to it! Merci beaucoup, anyway.
I think Sauber refused to come close to Ferrari. Hass takes this step, and could become a stronger contender. Schumacher's attribution to Hass, Vasseur's 2022 driver picks may reflect this issue

[Gilles]

"
Craig Scarborough
@ScarbsTech
·
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Contrary to some reports -
@alfaromeoorlen
will still run the Ferrari gearbox in 2022.
But this is just the inner cassette, Sauber will develop its own uter carbon carrier, in order to have its own rear suspension geometry."

[wisepie]

I think Sauber refused to come close to Ferrari. Hass takes this step, and could become a stronger contender. Schumacher's attribution to Hass, Vasseur's 2022 driver picks may reflect this issue

Good point, maybe the choice of drivers for Sauber/Alfa also has a bearing on Sauber not being so close to Ferrari in 2022, and the fact that the team was possibly being sold to Andretti. I wouldn't be surprised if there are bigger changes afoot with their ownership and possibly even engine supplier, although the Alfa-Ferrari- Stellantis partnership confuses things somewhat. Having their own rear suspension geometry is also an interesting aspect.

[Gilles]

Good point, maybe the choice of drivers for Sauber/Alfa also has a bearing on Sauber not being so close to Ferrari in 2022, and the fact that the team was possibly being sold to Andretti. I wouldn't be surprised if there are bigger changes afoot with their ownership and possibly even engine supplier, although the Alfa-Ferrari- Stellantis partnership confuses things somewhat. Having their own rear suspension geometry is also an interesting aspect.

Also, there were rumours saying Sauber could have switched to Mercedes PU

[ferrari1.8t]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-to-move-away-from-knee-gesture-ceremony-in-2022/7987713/

F1 to move away from knee gesture ceremony in 2022

How will LuLu race without forcing his peers to kneel? How will he go on now that he has to race in a silver car in a silver race suit? oh the oppression! :rotfl

The tide is turning away from the Ham-Merc era! Finally back to racing and not about pandering/politics! 2022 F1 will see red, this is Ferrari's time! Forza Ferrari...counting down the days until we launch, and until the start of the season. :ferrarifl

[jgonzalesm6]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-to-move-away-from-knee-gesture-ceremony-in-2022/7987713/

F1 to move away from knee gesture ceremony in 2022

How will LuLu race without forcing his peers to kneel? How will he go on now that he has to race in a silver car in a silver race suit? oh the oppression! :rotfl

The tide is turning away from the Ham-Merc era! Finally back to racing and not about pandering/politics! 2022 F1 will see red, this is Ferrari's time! Forza Ferrari...counting down the days until we launch, and until the start of the season. :ferrarifl

:thumb

Bout time!!!!! I never liked this "woke" "political" gesture from the beginning. :-! :roll

[stefa]

:thumb

Bout time!!!!! I never liked this "woke" "political" gesture from the beginning. :-! :roll

:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

Introducing the RB18 | Red Bull Racing Car Launch 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgxplLuex0w

[JPZ]

:thumb

Bout time!!!!! I never liked this "woke" "political" gesture from the beginning. :-! :roll

Agreed.

[JPZ]

:thumb

Bout time!!!!! I never liked this "woke" "political" gesture from the beginning. :-! :roll

Agreed.

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferrari teaser of the new team wear! I like the look…looks like there will be a lot of black on our car. The shade of red is nice too! It’s go time!!!!

https://twitter.com/scuderiaferrari/status/1491389157809463302?s=21

[patrese86]

More positive noises coming out about the engine. Though Leo Turrini said the aero is more of an unknown. Which I guess is just stating the obvious with so many new aero regs

[FerrariF60]

More positive noises coming out about the engine. Though Leo Turrini said the aero is more of an unknown. Which I guess is just stating the obvious with so many new aero regs

He said the same thing when new regs came out in 2017....and arguably we had the best aero on the grid as the following year lots of teams copied our high intake side pods

For all we know Ferrari could have the fastest car...winter testing will tell more, but more importantly have to wait until Q3 e first race....as well as 3-4 races into the season to see a definitive pecking order

[Honzus]

Black and red?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLJ6iBdX0AUHhmT?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.f1sport.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/ferrari126c4.jpg

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari teaser of the new team wear! I like the look…looks like there will be a lot of black on our car. The shade of red is nice too! It’s go time!!!!

https://twitter.com/scuderiaferrari/status/1491389157809463302?s=21

To mee it looks horrendous... It's like some old T-shirts from Shell petrol station. Where is the italian design? Shouldn't italians be good in designing beautiful things? Well... hopefully the car will be good, but I am not buying the teamwear this season.

[jgonzalesm6]

RedBull RB18

Max arriving before the launch

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1491442109940908035?cxt=HHwWhoCy4c2s1bIpAAAA



RB18

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1491439623565979648/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1491439623565979648/photo/1

[PURE PASSION]

RedBull RB18

Max arriving before the launch

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1491442109940908035?cxt=HHwWhoCy4c2s1bIpAAAA



RB18

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1491439623565979648/photo/1

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1491439623565979648/photo/1

This can't be the real thing!!! It's the same as F1 show car!!!

[Kyss4k]

This can't be the real thing!!! It's the same as F1 show car!!!

It's a bit different, but still looks kinda too predictable I would say. They are hiding stuff for sure. But it's pretty I have to say that.

[jgonzalesm6]

This can't be the real thing!!! It's the same as F1 show car!!!

yep


It's a bit different, but still looks kinda too predictable I would say. They are hiding stuff for sure. But it's pretty I have to say that.

agreed on all fronts.

[jgonzalesm6]

Red Bull is now known as Oracle Red Bull Racing.

$100 million per year for 5 years. DAAAAAAANNNNNGGGG.

[ferrari1.8t]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-launches-new-rb18-with-updated-show-car/8023309/

Motorsport.com claiming its just a show car, the F1 concept car slightly adjusted and branded. Makes sense…

[stefa]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-launches-new-rb18-with-updated-show-car/8023309/

Motorsport.com claiming its just a show car, the F1 concept car slightly adjusted and branded. Makes sense…

I would say most obviously. Expected. There a massive rule changes and you don't wanna be the first to show it! So, for me almost real presentation of cars for 2022 season will be at final test.

[stefa]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7910&stc=1
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7911&stc=1

[tifosi1993]

Except for the Haas and the Mclaren, everyone will reveal the FIA showcar for their respective car launches.

Mclaren like the Haas, will reveal an earlier iteration. But the actual thing will be revealed at the first test. With just 6 days of testing, I don't think the teams can afford to play hide and seek. They will be eager to rack up the millage with the new cars.

I'm also happy with the look of the new car. It may be a simple showcar, but it's already making last gen cars look like a tank in comparison.

[samboozik]

Except for the Haas and the Mclaren, everyone will reveal the FIA showcar for their respective car launches.

Mclaren like the Haas, will reveal an earlier iteration. But the actual thing will be revealed at the first test. With just 6 days of testing, I don't think the teams can afford to play hide and seek. They will be eager to rack up the millage with the new cars.

I'm also happy with the look of the new car. It may be a simple showcar, but it's already making last gen cars look like a tank in comparison.

Yeah definitely these new gen cars look way more racier.

[20000rpm]

I would say most obviously. Expected. There a massive rule changes and you don't wanna be the first to show it! So, for me almost real presentation of cars for 2022 season will be at final test.

I think the teams will display their full car or atleast 80% of their car in the first private testing. They have limited testing time so they will need maximum days to complete laps and check for reliability and other parameters.

[Rishu]

I just so hope Mercedes spend entire new regulations era fighting to get in to Q3 and single digit points come Sundays. While Ferrari should battle RB or Alpine for Titles

[stefa]

I think the teams will display their full car or atleast 80% of their car in the first private testing. They have limited testing time so they will need maximum days to complete laps and check for reliability and other parameters.
:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

2022 Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Car Launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyAkF6I9r-I

[tifosi1993]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLPaYJsX0AkWAyD?format=jpg&name=medium

[tifosi1993]

2022 cars are going to be lookers. What a gorgeous piece of machinery. There are making last gen cars look like bulky, over engineered pieces of carbon fibers.

And I don't think they will be slow either. Ground effect has huge un-tapped potentials.

I can't wait for the F1-75. February 17th can't come soon enough.

[tifosi1993]

Looks even better under natural light

https://i.imgur.com/xjSZf5Y.jpg

[patrese86]

It's a nice looking car

[Kyss4k]

Looks good, I even like the yellow accents, just the square sidepod inlets are an eyesore.

[jgonzalesm6]

Not a fan of the cooling louvers on top of the side pods……aerodynamically speaking.

The yellow accents reminds of the Aston Martin DB9R(WEC).

[Nick Singer]

Red Bull is now known as Oracle Red Bull Racing.

$100 million per year for 5 years. DAAAAAAANNNNNGGGG.

Orifice Red Bull Racing..

#Meh

[Nick Singer]

Love it! The vile Saudi regime merrily 'sportwashing' itself - Newcastle FC, Aston Martin F1...

[20000rpm]

Liked the new car design. Hope to see some aggressive design from our team too.

[paneristi]

Whatever the look will be, I hope they’re producing tools for regular 1-2 starting from this moment on

[jgonzalesm6]

2022 McLaren Racing Team Launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFbibkBDTtw

[ntukza]

To mee it looks horrendous... It's like some old T-shirts from Shell petrol station. Where is the italian design? Shouldn't italians be good in designing beautiful things? Well... hopefully the car will be good, but I am not buying the teamwear this season.

I agree. I don't like it.

[Gilles]

7912
which will be the best concept?
Very nice to see very different cars this year
Same one the engine side: that of Mercedes seems bigger (it was expected), but also positioned backward on the Aston and forward on the Hass

[stefa]

McLaren new car has some different approach at the end of the car

[PURE PASSION]

McLaren new car has some different approach at the end of the car

you mean the engine cover going parallel till the wing and not norrowing like Haas ??

[Gilles]

McLaren new car has some different approach at the end of the car

For now no one looks like another, very interesting. Technicaly, we couldn't have hoped for more

[stefa]

you mean the engine cover going parallel till the wing and not norrowing like Haas ??

Yes

[Silent Bob]

Mclaren sidepods are like an in-between of Hass's swept down pods and & Aston's higher, longer pods. Wonder which philosophy is going to be the right one.

[Gilles]

Mclaren sidepods are like an in-between of Hass's swept down pods and & Aston's higher, longer pods. Wonder which philosophy is going to be the right one.

Hope the Ferrari's one :-)

[PURE PASSION]

Yes

well it looks like they continued ,more or less, last years design
7913

[JPZ]

Looks like all the cars will have a similar nose?

[patrese86]

So far there's been variations in a lot of places, this can only make for an interesting start to the season. Of course that's not to say the usual suspects would of got it right again and the midfield, tail end have it wrong but hopefully it can spring a few surprises.

[Kyss4k]

Just occured to me... how is VELO advertisment on a car legal, when it's a nicotine product?

[jgonzalesm6]

Just occured to me... how is VELO advertisment on a car legal, when it's a nicotine product?

Mclaren is still sponsored by BAT. It's legal. I'm sure Mclaren won't run the advertisment in Europe but in other countries were it is legal to run the advertisement.

Tracks have alcohol sponsorship where it is legal. In the middle east, alcohol advertisment on tracks is not legal.

[paolo lalli]

Rumours circulating ferrari have some aero issues.Engine wise we are on par with redbull and mercedes.i don't know what to believe or what story holds more credence than the other.I will wait until completion of testing before making any premature statements,one rumour which does hold value is that the car is stunning and full of innovations, weather its fast will be discussions for another day.

[stefa]

Rumours circulating ferrari have some aero issues.Engine wise we are on par with redbull and mercedes.i don't know what to believe or what story holds more credence than the other.I will wait until completion of testing before making any premature statements,one rumour which does hold value is that the car is stunning and full of innovations, weather its fast will be discussions for another day.

Me too. I am waiting for Q3 in first race to make any conclusions.
Regarding your last sentence, unfortunatelly F1 is not a beauty contest...

[PURE PASSION]

Rumours circulating ferrari have some aero issues.Engine wise we are on par with redbull and mercedes.i don't know what to believe or what story holds more credence than the other.I will wait until completion of testing before making any premature statements,one rumour which does hold value is that the car is stunning and full of innovations, weather its fast will be discussions for another day.
This came from Leo Turrini. As always stopwatch will unviel everything!!

[Gilles]

Rumours circulating ferrari have some aero issues.Engine wise we are on par with redbull and mercedes.i don't know what to believe or what story holds more credence than the other.I will wait until completion of testing before making any premature statements,one rumour which does hold value is that the car is stunning and full of innovations, weather its fast will be discussions for another day.

Agree
Really don't anderstand how they could have doubts now on their aero
I can expose the reasons why i don't trust this, but, for me, some people are using the fact that, unless they hit the track, they can't be sure of how will work their concept in comparation to others, to write things

[Gilles]

I don't want to annoy anyone but, article after article in the medias, am I alone in finding that C Sainz is anything but discreet and modest?

[Toothlessrage*]

I don't want to annoy anyone but, article after article in the medias, am I alone in finding that C Sainz is anything but discreet and modest?

Since he's outscored Charles in the WDC, he's become the sweetheart of the media.
Though, he's been the media's sweetheart since his Mclaren days.
Honestly, he's always been a bit outspoken.

Also, I don't think he has a great relationship with RBR and Verstappen.
That's probably why he's been against the FIA.
Just an opininon*

[jgonzalesm6]

2008 vs 2021 vs 2022 top view size comparison. 2022 car seems to getting smaller.

https://twitter.com/Diego_Luciano_/status/1492648538546835459/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

Leaked pic of the 2022 Alpha Tauri AT03???

https://twitter.com/SalaStampRacing/status/1492793735700226051/photo/1

[Gilles]

Leaked pic of the 2022 Alpha Tauri AT03???

https://twitter.com/SalaStampRacing/status/1492793735700226051/photo/1

Hard to analyse
They have to use the same car as RB this year, no?

[jgonzalesm6]

Hard to analyse
They have to use the same car as RB this year, no?

maybe...we'll see tomorrow. Bottom link on YouTube



Tomorrow at 12h00 CET AlphaTauriF1 will unveil the AT03.

AT03 Car Launch | The Style of a New Era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2jEcjLsk-s

[Kyss4k]

Mclaren is still sponsored by BAT. It's legal. I'm sure Mclaren won't run the advertisment in Europe but in other countries were it is legal to run the advertisement.

Tracks have alcohol sponsorship where it is legal. In the middle east, alcohol advertisment on tracks is not legal.

Just to be clear, i am not against it. It just seems weird, that some tobaco products and branding is banned while other is ok to be shown.

[Gilles]

maybe...we'll see tomorrow. Bottom link on YouTube



Tomorrow at 12h00 CET AlphaTauriF1 will unveil the AT03.

AT03 Car Launch | The Style of a New Era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2jEcjLsk-s

Unfortunatly, we should see another fake car..
Same strategy than RB probably, even more if they use the RB car
As the Barcelona test will be behind closing doors, we could have to wait weeks before we really see the cars. Sad

[Gilles]

Just to be clear, i am not against it. It just seems weird, that some tobaco products and branding is banned while other is ok to be shown.

I could be wrong but nicotine is not dangerous i my mind

[Kyss4k]

I could be wrong but nicotine is not dangerous i my mind

You're right. But it's an addictive substance being sold as a tobaco product (even though there is just an extract or something) and it's mainly being bought by 18 year old "kids" feeding their addiction to cigarets. I don't know, to me it's basically the same thing, but I am not an expert in legislation. I just sell this stuff.

[stefa]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7915&stc=1

[Kyss4k]

The Alpha Tauri looks so sleek! That car is stunning.

[Gilles]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7915&stc=1

Impossible to know, for now, which is the best sidepods shape, but fact is that all are differents!
Another thing is that nobody follows the Fia car's cooling inlets
In the end, i wonder if the fia is sure to obtain the desired result in terms of aero direction...
Also, not sure teams will have enough budget to test all these solutions. These budget restrictions could have an heavy impact on top teams this year, in case if they start with an relative uncompetitive concept

[Tony]

Those sidepods are really small... I don't understand how the engine will be cooled sufficiently this year. I haven't really followed the changes all that closely though, so I guess it's been explained somewhere already.

[JChan]

No more DRS?

[tifosi1993]

The Alfa Romeo C42

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6gp8AJl0/s1200/2022-alfa-romeo-in-action-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/0ZRnMkR0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6D1nQwG0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/68yANXQ0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YBeaANM2/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YEQPnkMY/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6zQ7OrJY/s1200/2022-alfa-romeo-in-action-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6D1nQwG0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp

[tifosi1993]

Looking at the earlier iteration of the Haas and now the Alfa, I think Ferrari have done an incredibly good job with the engine. The packaging is top notch.

The Alfa has the tiniest sidepod exist out of all, so far.

[JPZ]

The Alfa Romeo C42

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6gp8AJl0/s1200/2022-alfa-romeo-in-action-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/0ZRnMkR0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6D1nQwG0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/68yANXQ0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YBeaANM2/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YEQPnkMY/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6zQ7OrJY/s1200/2022-alfa-romeo-in-action-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6D1nQwG0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp

Literally using camouflage for testing :lol

[Rishu]

The Alfa Romeo C42

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6gp8AJl0/s1200/2022-alfa-romeo-in-action-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/0ZRnMkR0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6D1nQwG0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/68yANXQ0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YBeaANM2/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YEQPnkMY/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6zQ7OrJY/s1200/2022-alfa-romeo-in-action-1.webp
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/6D1nQwG0/s1200/valtteri-bottas-alfa-romeo-c42-1.webp

Diffuser

7916

[Ferrari312T4]

I think that Alfa looks very competitive. Surely it needs to prove itself during testing. But that undercut is deep. That front wing looks interesting too. Alfa is the second team I support. So yeah I am pretty pleased actually.

[stefa]

Williams FW44 F17917
7918

[Tony]

That Williams looks very slippery!!

[Tony]

Seems the Mercedes has also leaked.

https://twitter.com/emijo102522/status/1493991629874675713/photo/1

People are saying it's a fake... not sure what it is.

[ferrari1.8t]

Wolff and Hamilton won. masi is not the race director anymore. Hamilton already getting gifts before the season starts. Also, conversations between TP and race control to be kept secret and not broadcast anymore. Another win for sneaky Toto.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-removes-masi-announces-new-virtual-f1-race-control-system/8254024/