F1 2022 Pre-Season Testing Thread

[Gilles]

im not pessimistic, on the contrary im relatively pessimistic watching the pre season testing and various analysis from f1 experts.

what im saying is that i dont expect them not to be strong or us to be 1s faster

Ok
What we know is that should be ok on the engine side (if Mercedes and Honda are only making the expected progress), and close a bit, or a lot on the châssis side

[PURE PASSION]

im not pessimistic, on the contrary im relatively pessimistic watching the pre season testing and various analysis from f1 experts.

what im saying is that i dont expect them not to be strong or us to be 1s faster
Believe me , NOONE DOES!!!!

[Gilles]

That is how I understud it

Nobody knows their rhythm, but everyone sees that they are hiding it, especially with GPS data

[458 Italia]

It's really frustrating that the cameras aren't showing the Ferrari when it's out.

[PURE PASSION]

Sainz #F175

outlap (C3)
1: 39.044
1: 39.636
1: 40.108
1: 39.928
1: 40.132
1: 40.481
1: 40.329
1: 40.516
1: 41.307
1: 41.218
1: 40.678
1: 40.860
1: 41.118
1: 41.291
1: 41.395
1: 42.118
1: 42.412
1: 45.524 inlap
box

#Day5 #PM #F1Testing
#F1 @ScuderiaFerrari
I think it's a good one , and a bit steady !!

[tifosi1993]

Carlos is doing a race-sim. His first stint

Outlap (C3)
1:39.044
1:39.636
1:40.108
1:39.928
1:40.132
1:40.481
1:40.329
1:40.516
1:41.307
1:41.218
1:40.678
1:40.860
1:41.118
1:41.291
1:41.395
1:42.118
1:42.412
Pits

[tifosi1993]

C2 stint (before the red flag)

Outlap
1:38.459
1:38.503
1:38.760
1:38.903

[PURE PASSION]

C2 stint (before the red flag)

Outlap
1:38.459
1:38.503
1:38.760
1:38.903
:-E:-E
:-E
Nice !!!!!

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/XWIMOuK.jpg

[patrese86]

Another positive day for the Scuderia!

[tifosi1993]

Haas is allowed extra one hour of testing today and Magnussen has just gone fastest. 1:33.207, fastest in the sector 1 with a 29.578, PB in the sector 2 with a 40.303 and fastest in the sector 3 with a 23.326.

Again highlighting why the times are meaningless in testing.

[patrese86]

Haas is allowed extra one hour of testing today and Magnussen has just gone fastest. 1:33.207, fastest in the sector 1 with a 29.578, PB in the sector 2 with a 40.303 and fastest in the sector 3 with a 23.326.

Again highlighting why the times are meaningless in testing.
Maybe Haas have just built a rocketship? :D

[enjaybel3]

Maybe Haas have just built a rocketship? :D

Maybe the SF donk is a rocket engine :pray

[Cavallino]

That is how I understud it

hats off to Carlos for calling these jokers out for what they are

[SS454]

I think the 2022 cars are several seconds slower than the 2021 cars. With the increase to near 800 kg and the reduced mechanical grip of the tires, that's probably worth 2 seconds a lap alone. The race pace being around 1:40 is slow, and if the cars are fueled up heavy, the qual pace is typically upwards of 7-8 seconds faster.

[wisepie]

Another promising day but tyre wear looks like it may be an issue for us, the drop-off in the lap times is pretty sharp for both Charles and Carlos. Any comparisons with other teams been drawn?

[tpe]

Hats off to Mercedes.
They have succeeded to twist our mindsets into believing they 're unable to flop.

This is what I say.
I don't believe in their concept. I

[tpe]

Carlos' comments are interesting however. He says Ferrari sees what they are doing on the GPS and he prefaced that by saying they show up every year, make comments that others are in front and then proceed to destroy the field. Is he implying that Ferrari can already see that the Mercedes is faster?

He implies that they are faster than they show.
How faster, is a different question.

[PURE PASSION]

Another promising day but tyre wear looks like it may be an issue for us, the drop-off in the lap times is pretty sharp for both Charles and Carlos. Any comparisons with other teams been drawn?
Many had that drop. If someone was consistent has was also slow. So no real comparisons and conclusions

[PURE PASSION]

The F1-75 lives up to the Ferrari's expectations, there Is a lot of positivity between the engineers.

[paolo lalli]

Pirelli tyre has fast drop of rates looks like pipeline have gone back to the days of fast tyre degradation. All teams suffered drop off,tyre management will be crucial to winning races.I think this has been done by pirelli to keep the race interesting with the unexpected occurring during the race with tyres and wear.Another solid test for ferrari.

[Gilles]

Pirelli tyre has fast drop of rates looks like pipeline have gone back to the days of fast tyre degradation. All teams suffered drop off,tyre management will be crucial to winning races.I think this has been done by pirelli to keep the race interesting with the unexpected occurring during the race with tyres and wear.Another solid test for ferrari.

Tyre management is only boring!
What about driver's talent?
If races will again be about tyres management, i will go fishing !
Thinking that again last year, no one took the start with a full tank to not immediatly destroy the tyres, then to find themselves managing the fuel in addition to the tyres...
Pirelli is definitively bad, just able to offer illegal tests to Mercedes or change their construction during the season when this same team fails to make them work. This new year was claimed as different on this side, if it does not change, it's a shame!

[SS454]

I remember a press conference where Alonso said he wanted cars that were light weight and you could push every lap on a set of tires. All the drivers agreed with him. The FIA has given us the opposite.

[Gilles]

Seriously, what is the goal of this stupid game?

[patrese86]

I remember a press conference where Alonso said he wanted cars that were light weight and you could push every lap on a set of tires. All the drivers agreed with him. The FIA has given us the opposite.

I'm sure drivers would want that, sounds pretty easy being able to push every lap with zero consequence. I'd rather see a formula where it's incredibly difficult to master a car to extract the full performance.

Look at Vettel with red bull, he could set a fastest lap on the last lap. Hamilton could do the same with part of a front wing end plate missing, that's the car doing all the work, I want to see the drivers being held more accountable. They've had it easy for too long.

[SS454]

I'm sure drivers would want that, sounds pretty easy being able to push every lap with zero consequence. I'd rather see a formula where it's incredibly difficult to master a car to extract the full performance.

Look at Vettel with red bull, he could set a fastest lap on the last lap. Hamilton could do the same with part of a front wing end plate missing, that's the car doing all the work, I want to see the drivers being held more accountable. They've had it easy for too long.

I think it's much more difficult to know the car is at or near the limit each and every lap. Chances for mistakes are much higher than deliberately driving 2 seconds off the pace. It sucks when the leader goes into cruise mode to save fuel and tires, and the 2nd place guy can't even try to overtake because it will damage his own tires.

[paneristi]

Hats off to Mercedes.
They have succeeded to twist our mindsets into believing they 're unable to flop.
Merc’s dominance (through secret engine development then lobbying FIA, secret tire testing with Pirelli, etc) has definitely afftected some minds. I agree with you 2022 has significant new changes, plus the new Ben Sulayem’s era, and I hope we can again go back to the top

[jgonzalesm6]

It sucks when the leader goes into cruise mode to save fuel and tires, and the 2nd place guy can't even try to overtake because it will damage his own tires.

yes........AND

What sucks is:

1. The weight of the cars. Cars are 100kg heavier.
2. Component allocation allotment for the season i.e. 3 ICE units per season
3. The length of the cars. They're about the size of an RV.
4. The width of the cars.
5. RPM's are aound 11.5k to 12k due to component allocation allotment---> raise it to 18k and increase the component allocation allotment per season.
6. Yeah, get rid of the MGU-H....2026 can't come soon enough. More engine suppliers enter F1 like Porsche/Audi.
7. I dislike this "green" era of F1.

With regards to rules, I have an issue when they penalize the driver for a TC (turbo charger) change or ICE unit change or ERS (energy recovery system) change due to reliability. Why not penalize the constructor (WCC points)??? It's not the dirvers fault that those components fail reliability!!!

[Aziz]

Will we see some quali Sim today

[jgonzalesm6]

Will we see some quali Sim today

maybe....but late in the evening.

[jgonzalesm6]

RedBull comes out late on Day 3. It has new sidepods.

[Brembo]

Not winning the 2021 WDC is for sure a flop for Merc regardless of who caused it. Fans by the millions will be at the 2022 races hoping it stays that way.

[Kyss4k]

RedBull comes out late on Day 3. It has new sidepods.

And it's flying. Faster than everyone else on C3 tyres... no, please no.

[Kyss4k]

RB doesn't just have new sidepods, thir floor is new, connected to the sidepods at the back. They are going totally different direction that anyone else, with almost no visible floor next to rear wheels as they maximize the bodywork there. I wish I was a aerodynamics expert to know what they're doing, but it seems to be working.

[SS454]

RB doesn't just have new sidepods, thir floor is new, connected to the sidepods at the back. They are going totally different direction that anyone else, with almost no visible floor next to rear wheels as they maximize the bodywork there. I wish I was a aerodynamics expert to know what they're doing, but it seems to be working.

I think they are using the vortecies along the edge of the floor to seal off the diffuser inside the rear wheels. Every team tries to seal the floor along the edge, but there is probably some spillage into the diffuser from the rear tires, while Red Bulls solution could mean a better seal and cleaner air through the diffuser.

[Ferrarichamp]

the oddsmakers say Lewis is the favourite for the title this year, but I think it's Max. I just hope our car is quick enough to fight for something significant, not just podiums :Hmm

[SS454]

I was watching a live timing on youtube that focuses on Perez, and he is leaving so much on the table on the straights. His first flier 1:34.7 he left off or even hit the brakes before the start finish line. The second lap 1:34.1 he was slower than his first lap down the final 2 straights and final corner, but didn't left off crossing the line. That was on medium tires too. Whatever fuel and engine mode they are running, the car easily has a mid 1:33 in it as is.

[SS454]

I was watching a live timing on youtube that focuses on Perez, and he is leaving so much on the table on the straights. His first flier 1:34.7 he left off or even hit the brakes before the start finish line. The second lap 1:34.1 he was slower than his first lap down the final 2 straights and final corner, but didn't left off crossing the line. That was on medium tires too. Whatever fuel and engine mode they are running, the car easily has a mid 1:33 in it as is.

On Perez's 3rd run, he was slow all the way down the main straight to start his lap, then was rippin through his lap and then slowed down out of the last corner and still ran a 1:33.1.

[Kyss4k]

No porpoising on the redbull at all

[Aziz]

No porpoising on the redbull at all

Absolutely none

[Aziz]

I wonder what is our program for today.... Carlos put good amount of laps, but kind of slow

[SS454]

I wonder what is our program for today.... Carlos put good amount of laps, but kind of slow

Seems most everyone except Perez is currently doing long runs.

[tifosi1993]

According to live timing up, Red Bull has definitely turned up the power. Perez is the fastest man in every minisectors on the straights.

Ferrari and Mercedes on the other hand is heavily turned down. Both were even slower than the first day of Bahrain testing on the straights.

[Aziz]

According to live timing up, Red Bull has definitely turned up the power. Perez is the fastest man in every minisectors on the straights.

Ferrari and Mercedes on the other hand is heavily turned down. Both were even slower than the first day of Bahrain testing on the straights.

Should they test the engine a bit.... Crank it up

[SS454]

According to live timing up, Red Bull has definitely turned up the power. Perez is the fastest man in every minisectors on the straights.

Ferrari and Mercedes on the other hand is heavily turned down. Both were even slower than the first day of Bahrain testing on the straights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12sYok7DhM

Watch his fastest lap timing. Wasn't setting purple mini sectors on the straights. The purples came in the corners and the entire main straight at the start and finish of the lap was yellow mini sectors.

He may have fastest mini sectors added up throughout the day, but they are not done all one one lap. I've seen Perez do 4 "qual" runs while the other teams are doing long runs.

[Kyss4k]

According to live timing up, Red Bull has definitely turned up the power. Perez is the fastest man in every minisectors on the straights.

Ferrari and Mercedes on the other hand is heavily turned down. Both were even slower than the first day of Bahrain testing on the straights.

RedBull have 0 porpoising issue. Everyone else hase at least some problem with it. That's why they are fast.

[Tifoso Svedese]

The livery is way too dark red. I don't like it at all :-??

The car itself is very beautiful but for goodness sake go back to proper red.

[Aziz]

RedBull have 0 porpoising issue. Everyone else hase at least some problem with it. That's why they are fast.

I believe they are the best car at the moment

[Grimlock]

RedBull have 0 porpoising issue. Everyone else hase at least some problem with it. That's why they are fast.

I'm actually not seeing much porpoising from anyone today. Lets not get carried away too much the RedBull is clearly on a different program to anyone else right now.
Antony Davidson out on track was actually saying that the Ferrari looks to be the most derivable car out of the ones he is seeing circulating now.
About engine modes, Martin Brundle claims the engines are reeving higher today than they had the last two days.

[tifosi1993]

RedBull have 0 porpoising issue. Everyone else hase at least some problem with it. That's why they are fast.

Ferrari haven't been porpoising since yesterday evening. And F1-75 is the only car that's not been suffering from understeer during heavy fuel runs.

[Rishu]

Don’t want to sound pessimistic but 2011 winter testing still haunts me. We looked pretty solid, racking up miles, team to beat then bang, 3rd fastest

[PURE PASSION]

Don’t want to sound pessimistic but 2011 winter testing still haunts me. We looked pretty solid, racking up miles, team to beat then bang, 3rd fastest

+ 2019!!!

[stefa]

Don’t want to sound pessimistic but 2011 winter testing still haunts me. We looked pretty solid, racking up miles, team to beat then bang, 3rd fastest

That is why for a very long time I am not taking anything from test to make a conclusion. Wait for Q3 at first race!

[458 Italia]

The livery is way too dark red. I don't like it at all :-??

The car itself is very beautiful but for goodness sake go back to proper red.

I agree!

[subfire91]

Ferrari haven't been porpoising since yesterday evening. And F1-75 is the only car that's not been suffering from understeer during heavy fuel runs.

a lot of porpoising on Sainz's car from the onboard cam. I thought we sorted that out?

[gump1480]

a lot of porpoising on Sainz's car from the onboard cam. I thought we sorted that out?

I think it is a complicated function of fuel load, aero and suspension setup. A quick floor fix may reduce at certain loads but not for all conditions out there. But yeah this is a bit worrying.

[Aziz]

Sainz is jumping all over the palce, today is the first day I'm certain we are not the fastest nor the most advanced car

[Kyss4k]

I'm actually not seeing much porpoising from anyone today. Lets not get carried away too much the RedBull is clearly on a different program to anyone else right now.
Antony Davidson out on track was actually saying that the Ferrari looks to be the most derivable car out of the ones he is seeing circulating now.
About engine modes, Martin Brundle claims the engines are reeving higher today than they had the last two days.

Well you are in a need of an eye exam I fear. Everyone except RB suffers from it. It's easy to see, easy to hear. Only RB is just hovering above the ground with no issues at all.

[Grimlock]

Well you are in a need of an eye exam I fear. Everyone except RB suffers from it. It's easy to see, easy to hear. Only RB is just hovering above the ground with no issues at all.

Guy? Why the attack? My vision is actually perfect thank you! And we are watching live testing, and yes they are porpoising now. Its all a question of setup DUDE!

This is just being pure Toxic, thank you and good bye. I won't be visiting this forum in a hurry, the level of decorum is below kindergarten.

[PURE PASSION]

Well you are in a need of an eye exam I fear. Everyone except RB suffers from it. It's easy to see, easy to hear. Only RB is just hovering above the ground with no issues at all.

Could it be due to fuel load. I remember yesterday a lap from Lec and on the straights he was also hovering like RedBull you say does with no movement at all.So lm just guessing in could be due to fuel loads. Maybe a heavier loads the porpoising comes to surface .

[PURE PASSION]

Red Bull believes Ferrari is the best car. From their Gps data they see a very competitive F1-75 in the medium speed corners, Mercedes the fastest in the slow. Updates on the RB18 should reduce understeer.

[Gilles]

Guy? Why the attack? My vision is actually perfect thank you! And we are watching live testing, and yes they are porpoising now. Its all a question of setup DUDE!

This is just being pure Toxic, thank you and good bye. I won't be visiting this forum in a hurry, the level of decorum is below kindergarten.

Please don’t get hurt. It’s the way everywhere today, a little sad but not deadly, just a clumsy

[Kyss4k]

Guy? Why the attack? My vision is actually perfect thank you! And we are watching live testing, and yes they are porpoising now. Its all a question of setup DUDE!

This is just being pure Toxic, thank you and good bye. I won't be visiting this forum in a hurry, the level of decorum is below kindergarten.

Hmm if you take this as toxic well... GL in a real world. This was not toxic at all. I was just saying, that the porpoising is so obvious, that you can't be missing it.

[Grimlock]

Thank you.
Can't say its a question of being hurtful, its a question of not being able to have any level of civilized discussion with some of the members here.
I am really surprised this sort of thing is happening on a forum for fans that are supposedly supporting the same team.
I am more than fine with people having different views on things, but they should never ever go to personal attracts.

[Grimlock]

Hmm if you take this as toxic well... GL in a real world. This was not toxic at all. I was just saying, that the porpoising is so obvious, that you can't be missing it.

I'm doing fine in the real world thank you. You really don't see what you are doing wrong here do you? I don't really care what you think about me, you are the one showing your true colors here.

Please take a step back and think where you took the conversation.
My comment did not call you any names or anything, I just stated what I was seeing in the live coverage at the time, and proposing was not there at the time (over 2h ago).
You on the other hand go out with a personal attack, and the level of attack does not matter here as no level should be tolerated at all.

[tifosi1993]

a lot of porpoising on Sainz's car from the onboard cam. I thought we sorted that out?

On his last run, yes. But he wasn't porpoising yesterday evening, nor today before his final run. I think Ferrari is simply testing out some different parameters.

[subfire91]

On his last run, yes. But he wasn't porpoising yesterday evening, nor today before his final run. I think Ferrari is simply testing out some different parameters.

maybe the switched to the older floor to test some things ? im not sure but i think i didnt the see these cuts on the floor during the camera closeup which is the new one introduced on afternoon day 1 of Bahrain test:

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[Gilles]

Piola says Ferrari is focusing on the race only, not the qualifying (he says they’re not aiming for pole). He says that the new brakes are advantageous, that the load given by the sidepods makes it possible to raise the rear to avoid jumps in straights (surprising other teams). Finally, he reports that Ferrari has modified the diffuser

[Tifoso Svedese]

It does look very easy to follow other cars so on most tracks one-lap speed will be fairly irrelevant considering DRS is still around. It still means something in Spain and Hungary but on a track like Bahrain not so much.

[JacKy]

Guys the New cars feels really slow at slow corners. Even on flying laps looks like an outlap compare to 2021 cars.

[burak karaküdük]

we are preparing leclerc car. i guess he is going to lap soon

[Gilles]

Mario Isola in an interview with Sky Sport F1 reveals that “some teams have underestimated braking temperatures with the new hubcaps […] degradation management is going to be important here in Bahrain, we’ve seen teams working on different things. Some, like Ferrari, have done many runs in C3 by testing different solutions to manage degradation on this track."

[ntukza]

I believe they are the best car at the moment

What makes you think theirs is better than hours?

[PURE PASSION]

OK RED BULL is really show some pace !!! ITs really by far the fastest we have seen so far , but again ,as for us many times, we dont now how different we where running (fuel,engine,driver push etc )
in simillar lap stints and with the same tires , Lec is 1,5 s slower then Ves !!!!!! That's A LOT !!!!

[ntukza]

Thank you.
Can't say its a question of being hurtful, its a question of not being able to have any level of civilized discussion with some of the members here.
I am really surprised this sort of thing is happening on a forum for fans that are supposedly supporting the same team.
I am more than fine with people having different views on things, but they should never ever go to personal attracts.

I like this guy.

Please don't leave.

[paneristi]

I wonder what is our program for today.... Carlos put good amount of laps, but kind of slow
When we didn’t do fast lap, you are curious why we are slow. When Merc did the same, some said they’re sandbagging. Let’s have some faith!

[Kyss4k]

RedBull looks awesome. Stable, on rails, fast, no headbanging... I don't think we have any answer to them sadly.

[ntukza]

OK RED BULL is really show some pace !!! ITs really by far the fastest we have seen so far , but again ,as for us many times, we dont now how different we where running (fuel,engine,driver push etc )
in simillar lap stints and with the same tires , Lec is 1,5 s slower then Ves !!!!!! That's A LOT !!!!

We're going to see some fast laps now going to the end of the session. It's obvious.

[ntukza]

RedBull looks awesome. Stable, on rails, fast, no headbanging... I don't think we have any answer to them sadly.

SO you already know the full performance of our car?

Red Bull are the first to go hard and already you're drawing conclusions? At least wait until the end of the session.

[Kyss4k]

SO you already know the full performance of our car?

Red Bull are the first to go hard and already you're drawing conclusions? At least wait until the end of the session.

No, but I can see, that we are porpoising quite a lot, we have issues in slow corners quite often from an onboard shots, while at the same time, RedBull looks like they are on rails. It's just my observation and opinion. Why does everyone feel so hurt by that these days? And I am worried as my expectations were high for this year.

[Grimlock]

No, but I can see, that we are porpoising quite a lot, we have issues in slow corners quite often from an onboard shots, while at the same time, RedBull looks like they are on rails. It's just my observation and opinion. Why does everyone feel so hurt by that these days? And I am worried as my expectations were high for this year.

I don't think anyone is hurt by you stating your observations/opinion.
To me the RedBull sure does look to be the lead car at the moment, but we can't say that for sure.
I feel Ferrari is there or there about, Mercedes looks to be nowhere but you can never tell with them.

On porpoising yes the RedBull looks the best today, the Ferrari looks different from run to run, it goes from 0 porpoising to massive porpoising and why I think they are playing with the setup.
I also don't think it looks like Ferrari will be going for any performance runs today, I think they did theirs yesterday and the conditions were much worse yesterday than they are today so we can't really compare the times.

[Grimlock]

For example I don't think the last lap from Charles was anything to write home about (C4 and he had a nasty moment in turn 4) but there was 0 porpoising.

[Kyss4k]

For example I don't think the last lap from Charles was anything to write home about (C4 and he had a nasty moment in turn 4) but there was 0 porpoising.

And didn't Verstappen do that time on C3 (yellow) tyres? Or was I seeing things?

[jgonzalesm6]

And didn't Verstappen do that time on C3 (yellow) tyres? Or was I seeing things?

Nope, you are correct.

[jgonzalesm6]

Let's see if the times come down as this is the proper racing time at this track.

[tifosi1993]

We are slower than Magnussen in the Sector 1 and Sector 3 and only 3 tenths faster in the Sector 2. And that should tell everything.

But I do want Ferrari to turn on the power and rain on Red Bull's parade.

[Tifoso Svedese]

If you offered me a P2-P3 at the start of the season I'd take it. The key is: are we close enough to Red Bull that our guys will beat the bang average Pérez or not?

[jgonzalesm6]

At least wait until the end of the session.

4 or 5 races into the season is a good sign of where everyone stands.....at least in the 1st half of the season.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Obviously Mercedes could show up from nowhere but assuming they don't I'm fairly confident we could have two cars on the podium in Bahrain but might not be able to touch Verstappen.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc P1. And as ever, the F1-75 is very good in the sector 2. They are down in the sector 1 and equal in the sector 3, two engine dependent sectors.

[Grimlock]

Charles back on top but yes, Max did his lap on C3 and Charles is only 0.2 faster. From what we are seeing now the RedBull is the car to beat, but we can't be sure and hope dies last :)

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc (C4): 29.509 - 39.677 - 23.229 - 1:32.415 - 308

Verstappen (C3): 29.409 - 39.911 - 23.325 - 1:32.645 - 313

[tifosi1993]

Charles back on top but yes, Max did his lap on C3 and Charles is only 0.2 faster. From what we are seeing now the RedBull is the car to beat, but we can't be sure and hope dies last :)

Are you sure? I think it's between us and the Merc. Don't be fooled by their pace, they are way down on power, like us. Either they have completely goofed up their engine, which is unlikely, or they are running heavily detuned, which is more likely.

Red Bull has cranked up the power.

[PURE PASSION]

We are 0.230 faster then Max but on faster tire (so probably slower) but again we are 0.7s faster Perez on the same compound !!!
What i mean is that from this you can see that you dont now how everybody is running . some might run harder on a slower compoud to look for some performance and unother lower on a faster tire .

[Aziz]

We are 0.5 slower, on FL, after we spent 2 years developing this car, RB on the other hand developed last year car to the very end.... Same story again

[Grimlock]

Are you sure? I think it's between us and the Merc. Don't be fooled by their pace, they are way down on power, like us. Either they have completely goofed up their engine, which is unlikely, or they are running heavily detuned, which is more likely.

Red Bull has cranked up the power.

To me it seems Merc has big porpoising issues, they seem to be the most affected from what I saw. But you can't ever count them out.
And yeah RedBull defiantly cranked their engine today.

I recall reading somewhere that Ferrari were going to use the same engine they used in Barcelona to make iron out reliability.
Does any one know if that's really the case and if the Ferrari is really running with a high mileage engine?

[stefa]

As I have said the other day, I am really amazed how many experts in various fields are in this forum, who can spot things and make conclusion just by looking at picture or video, without any deep data! I am speachless!!!

[patrese86]

We are 0.5 slower, on FL, after we spent 2 years developing this car, RB on the other hand developed last year car to the very end.... Same story again

Same story? It's testing. The only thing which is the same story is you moaning.

[Grimlock]

Charles did not do a one lap wonder though, he set a better middle sector on the same set on another lap. So the tires were still good and he defiantly had some fuel in the tank so lest not read too much into the times.

[tifosi1993]

To me it seems Merc has big porpoising issues, they seem to be the most affected from what I saw. But you can't ever count them out.
And yeah RedBull defiantly cranked their engine today.

I recall reading somewhere that Ferrari were going to use the same engine they used in Barcelona to make iron out reliability.
Does any one know if that's really the case and if the Ferrari is really running with a high mileage engine?

We are slower than Magnussen in the sector 1 minisectors, on a different level in the sector 2 and again losing out in the sector 3 minisectors, and all those minisectors are straights.

That should tell everything, I think.

[Kyss4k]

We are 0.5 slower, on FL, after we spent 2 years developing this car, RB on the other hand developed last year car to the very end.... Same story again

That's exactly what I am affraid of. I don't want to see Red Bull or Merc destroying us even when we had such a headstart. I still hope we have a lot more in this car, but the hype is slowly evaporating from me.

[Aziz]

Same story? It's testing. The only thing which is the same story is you moaning.

We like to say "it's testing" since 2009

[Grimlock]

We are slower than Magnussen in the sector 1 minisectors, on a different level in the sector 2 and again losing out in the sector 3 minisectors, and all those minisectors are straights.

That should tell everything, I think.

Thanks appreciate the insisting, where are you watching the mini sectors?
Is that on the official live taming from F1?

[PURE PASSION]

As I have said the other day, I am really amazed how many experts in various fields are in this forum, who can spot things and make conclusion just by looking at picture or video, without any deep data! I am speachless!!!

And its funny how the attention has gone from us, to merc,to us, to RBR and who knows if someone does a good lap and

[tifosi1993]

Russell 1:32.888, finally Mercedes cranked up the engine. But still not as fast on the straights as the Red Bull, same as us.

[tifosi1993]

Thanks appreciate the insisting, where are you watching the mini sectors?
Is that on the official live taming from F1?

Yes. I think F1 should make the live timing free for everyone.

[patrese86]

Russell 1:32.888, finally Mercedes cranked up the engine. But still not as fast on the straights as the Red Bull, same as us.

You can see their car bouncing everywhere as they are pushing searching for performance. All teams sandbag to a certain extent because of engine modes but they don't intentionally make the cars purpoise like that to throw other teams off :D.

We look good

[Kyss4k]

Yes. I think F1 should make the live timing free for everyone.

Really? I have F1 TV Pro subscription and I can't see any minisectors on official livetiming. But I may be blind... is that some hidden menu or something?

[Grimlock]

Yes. I think F1 should make the live timing free for everyone.

Damn I do have F1TV Pro but somehow don't see minisectors on F1's live timing :(
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[patrese86]

Mick with a great lap on the c3

[tifosi1993]

Haas only 7 tenths behind the "mighty" Red Bull on the same tyres.

Ferrari haters are in for a rude awaking when Ferrari turns up the power.

[Kyss4k]

Haas only 7 tenths behind the "mighty" Red Bull on the same power.

Ferrari haters are in for a rude awaking when Ferrari turns up the power.

Fingers crossed

[Aziz]

Haas only 7 tenths behind the "mighty" Red Bull on the same power.

Ferrari haters are in for a rude awaking when Ferrari turns up the power.

Don't you think the last hour of the last tasting day would be a good time to turn up the power?

You should probably test the engine full power, right?

[Grimlock]

Don't you think the last hour of the last tasting day would be a good time to turn up the power?

You should probably test the engine full power, right?

That's what we have Hass for :)

[Schumiklub]

Damn I do have F1TV Pro but somehow don't see minisectors on F1's live timing :(
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7987&stc=1

You have to use the mobile or tablet app. There is a lot more info in the app than on the website.

[tifosi1993]

Don't you think the last hour of the last tasting day would be a good time to turn up the power?

You should probably test the engine full power, right?

Although I do want Ferrari to turn up the power, but we should remember that it's only testing. No point at taking the glory of being the fastest in the testing.

[Kyss4k]

Although I do want Ferrari to turn up the power, but we should remember that it's only testing. No point at taking the glory of being the fastest in the testing.

Heh, nice move from them to make the experience worse on the more capable platform. But thanks, turning the mobile on.

[Aziz]

Although I do want Ferrari to turn up the power, but we should remember that it's only testing. No point at taking the glory of being the fastest in the testing.

No, I'm talking about being fastest in testing, I'm talking about testing the engine on full power. Better to have hick ups here and now then in 7 days

[SilverSpeed]

We are slower than Magnussen in the sector 1 minisectors, on a different level in the sector 2 and again losing out in the sector 3 minisectors, and all those minisectors are straights.

That should tell everything, I think.

Agreed! But we don't know how Haas is setup...

[PURE PASSION]

Haas only 7 tenths behind the "mighty" Red Bull on the same tyres.

Ferrari haters are in for a rude awaking when Ferrari turns up the power.

Αnd Alfa close by

[tifosi1993]

Αnd Alfa close by

I made a mistake, the gap is only 5 tenths.

[subfire91]

I made a mistake, the gap is only 5 tenths.

i dont know man.... that 1:32:5s of RB in the C3s has got me into worries to be honest

[Kyss4k]

i dont know man to be honest. that 1:32:5s of RB in the C3s has got me into worries to be honest

And their current race pace... started in 1:37s, now in 1:38s, consistent, fast. No idea about fuel loads, but still... worrisome

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc Vs Russell

29.509 - 39.618 - 23.229 - 1:32.415 - 308

29.554 - 39.816 - 23.381 - 1:32.759 - 308

[enjaybel3]

My opinion - a good testing pre-season for Ferrari.
Cust cars (Haas & Alfa) pushing the engine harder and showing surprising pace. I doubt Ferrari has fully unleashed the engine in F1-75 yet. I expect SF is going to be competitive this year.

[JacKy]

Any idea why we slow at sector 1 compare to other sectors?

[PURE PASSION]

And their current race pace... started in 1:37s, now in 1:38s, consistent, fast. No idea about fuel loads, but still... worrisome

As from fast laps , where we shaw Bottas doing 1:32:9 on C3s that makes Ves 1:32:6 not looks so glorious (very good nevertheless) , also in those havy load laps we dont know how they are running. i wouldnt pay so much attention if we where the ones doing those laps !!

[SilverSpeed]

Any idea why we slow at sector 1 compare to other sectors?

Lower engine mode.

[PURE PASSION]

So Max 0.442 faster on C5 !! Faster but not not unbeatable

[JacKy]

Finally redbull shows what they have got.

[PURE PASSION]

Finally redbull shows what they have got.

surely not the full of it !!! As all of them

[subfire91]

So Max 0.442 faster on C5 !! Faster but not not unbeatable

whats the difference in laptime regarding C2->C3->C4->C5 ?

did pirelli published the expected differences ?

[JacKy]

surely not the full of it !!! As all of them

I dont think Q3 times will going to be much faster than this.

It is whole New car , teams would like to see what they’ve got.

At least it was the case back in 2014.

[PURE PASSION]

whats the difference in laptime regarding C2->C3->C4->C5 ?

did pirelli published the expected differences ?

Dont know. But dont really pay attention on Pirellis time delta. They were lot of times they wereway off the real thing. And also depends on each car !!

[JacKy]

whats the difference in laptime regarding C2->C3->C4->C5 ?

did pirelli published the expected differences ?

If you look into verstappen’s time. C3>C5 is about 0.7 sec

Edit : it is about 1 second now

[PURE PASSION]

I dont think Q3 times will going to be much faster than this.

It is whole New car , teams would like to see what they’ve got.

At least it was the case back in 2014.

Add another 0.270s

[Kyss4k]

I don't know... the RB is the only team that figured out the porpoising and thanks to that they are now the fastest team. We still have no way of getting rid of the bouncing. I will hate myself for saying this, but it just shows to me, how much harder or smarter they work in Redbull. They brought upgrades and solved this. We didn't. Why? I want us to be the best so bad...

[PURE PASSION]

I don't know... the RB is the only team that figured out the porpoising and thanks to that they are now the fastest team. We still have no way of getting rid of the bouncing. I will hate myself for saying this, but it just shows to me, how much harder or smarter they work in Redbull. They brought upgrades and solved this. We didn't. Why? I want us to be the best so bad...

Ιm not worried to much. Dont say we are the fastest but it looks we are just behind RedBull . And as you said they have their upgrades ,we dont. If it ends up exactly that i will take it.

[tifosi1993]

Charles's stint after the red flag, on a 7 laps older medium tyres when he started his stint.

1:37.738
1:38.061
1:37.844
1:38.155
1:38.012
1:38.390
1:38.365
1:38.419
1:38.761
1:38.755
1:38.751
1:38.859
1:39.004
pits

Very respectable. Considering the C3 will be the softest compound during the race weekend.

[Aziz]

I don't know... the RB is the only team that figured out the porpoising and thanks to that they are now the fastest team. We still have no way of getting rid of the bouncing. I will hate myself for saying this, but it just shows to me, how much harder or smarter they work in Redbull. They brought upgrades and solved this. We didn't. Why? I want us to be the best so bad...

We need to understand the car first...... Since 2009

[Aziz]

Ιm not worried to much. Dont say we are the fastest but it looks we are just behind RedBull . And as you said they have their upgrades ,we dont. If it ends up exactly that i will take it.

What is wrong with you all, we spent 2 years on developing this car, while RB was fighting for the championship and developed that's year car.... And you are all fine with us being behind them

[tifosi1993]

Verstappen (C5): 29.116 - 39.513 - 23.054 - 1:31.720 - 313

Leclerc (C4): 29.509 - 39.618 - 23.229 - 1:32.415 - 308

Russell (C5): 29.554 - 39.816 - 23.381 - 1:32.759 - 308

[JacKy]

Verstappen got 0.393 of 0.695 gap at sector 1

[Silent Bob]

I don't think Ferrari look particularly worried and they said the porpoising problem has been taken care of for the most part. Many people at the track are saying the Ferrari looks pretty stable at any height, so don't think the porpoising will be an issue. Still would have been nice to see them wind up the engine a bit. So still some anticipation till next week. That longer run by Leclerc looked pretty good.

[Silent Bob]

What is wrong with you all, we spent 2 years on developing this car, while RB was fighting for the championship and developed that's year car.... And you are all fine with us being behind them

Everyone spent 2 years developing these cars. No one stopped developing. We just didn't keep developing last years car.

[Kyss4k]

Ιm not worried to much. Dont say we are the fastest but it looks we are just behind RedBull . And as you said they have their upgrades ,we dont. If it ends up exactly that i will take it.

How did they manage to come up with the updates and we didn't though? It's like we are not pushing as hard as them. That's surely not a good thing. I will not take being second behind them. No way. We threw everything into this years car, they fought into the last race for the championships, yet they still emerge as the fastest ones after this huge rulechange? Ehm what? Do we remember how we did when we fought for the WDC in 2008 and then the rulechanges in 2009 came? That's what I was expecting, yet here we are, RB developing, Merc developing and we are standing still. Hope we are hiding our pace more than RB is.

[chinmay]

the RB is the only team that figured out the porpoising

Aston Martin:


Stevenson: "We went for a completely different course than usual this year. The main thing for us was to understand the car. And I think we understood it well. We know how to have the porpoising and how to turn it off. This should allow us to find the best compromise in the setup to get rid of it and not lose too much speed."

[Kyss4k]

I don't think Ferrari look particularly worried and they said the porpoising problem has been taken care of for the most part. Many people at the track are saying the Ferrari looks pretty stable at any height, so don't think the porpoising will be an issue. Still would have been nice to see them wind up the engine a bit. So still some anticipation till next week. That longer run by Leclerc looked pretty good.

Watching the testing live stream we are still bouncing quite a bit. Red Bull is smooth as... I don't have a right comparison

[PURE PASSION]

What is wrong with you all, we spent 2 years on developing this car, while RB was fighting for the championship and developed that's year car.... And you are all fine with us being behind them

Of course i want to be in front ,and more i want us to dominate. But i wont start biching about it all the time, Whats the point of it ??? I wil just "give " them 1 last chance if we will end up just 1or 2 tenths behind and wait to see how the will react with the upgrades. IF 1st we end up 3d best 0.5s+ behind ,or we start falling back race by race and cant react with upgrades ,then i just will stop watching any more. As simple as that. I dont want to annoy people nagging ,as l dont like listen others doing it !!

[Silent Bob]

Verstappen got 0.393 of 0.695 gap at sector 1

What am I missing? It says he was faster in the mid sector by +1sec. Those sector times can't be for the same lap?

[tifosi1993]

Verstappen got 0.393 of 0.695 gap at sector 1

Because he was running higher engine mode.

But what's making me happy is our sector 2 time here, and sector 3 time in Barcelona. It seems the F1-75 is very handy in the technical sections, especially on Charles's hand.

[tifosi1993]

What am I missing? It says he was faster in the mid sector by +1sec. Those sector times can't be for the same lap?

It was a typo. His best sector 2 time is: 39.513, only a tenth ahead of Charles.

[Silent Bob]

Ya so not the show of force everyone is scared of. Time was set in cooler temps, softer tires,.... so 7/10ths is really not much. I think Ferrari could match that pretty easily.

[gump1480]

Can anyone confirm if Binotto actually said this to Sky Italia:

Mattia Binotto to Carlo Vanzini (Sky Italia): "You always tell me 'just give Charles a car' - well, now let's see what he will do."

[faloupas]

We re probably some tenths behind... Lets face it. The problem it s not that we are behind...The problem is that "We put our heart and soul into the car" as Binotto said...

[paolo lalli]

Its ferrari that are foxing there is more to come.,no upgrades pretty good I say.

[Aziz]

We re probably some tenths behind... Lets face it. The problem it s not that we are behind...The problem is that "We put our heart and soul into the car" as Binotto said...

Exactly my point

[elnano14]

Lol just one glory run on C5 by Redbull and some "FERRARI" fans here are already losing their mind and hope. Do all of you really believe the RBR is actually 0.4s faster and 10-15 kph quicker than our car in SECTOR 1 ALONE ???

[killer]

The fastest Ferrari averaged P1/P2, very good number of laps, no major issues reported, no car stopped on track, no notable incidents, generally positive feedback from both drivers. This was through 3 days and into the unknown with these new regulations. Not sure why some maybe think unless Ferrari crush the field by 2 seconds then these sessions were a waste of time.

[elnano14]

The fastest Ferrari averaged P1/P2, very good number of laps, no major issues reported, no car stopped on track, no notable incidents, generally positive feedback from both drivers. This was through 3 days and into the unknown with these new regulations. Not sure why some maybe think unless Ferrari crush the field by 2 seconds that these sessions don’t show us at least heading in the right direction.

+1

[faloupas]

Lol just one glory run on C5 by Redbull and some "FERRARI" fans here are already losing their mind and hope. Do all of you really believe the RBR is actually 0.4s faster and 10-15 kph quicker than our car in SECTOR 1 ALONE ???

Redull was faster than us almost every single year the last decade. It was superior in aero every year (except 2015 and 2017)and last two years they were in front of us even in engine power... So this is a fact... Its not something unusual Redbull being in front.

[elnano14]

Redull was faster than us almost every single year the last decade. It was superior in aero every year (except 2015 and 2017)and last two years they were in front of us even in engine power... So this is a fact... Its not something unusual Redbull being in front.
They were faster than us in 2020 and 2021 because of our engine is handicapped. Since the hybrid era, 2014 RBR > FER, 2015 FER > RBR, 2016 RBR >= FER, 2017 FER > RBR, 2018 FER > RBR, 2019 FER >= RBR (the RBR only became fast at the late of the season), 2020+2021 RBR > FER with a f***ed engine . So I don't know what you're saying about "Redull was faster than us almost every single year"...

[Aziz]

What about 09, 2010,11,12,13..... It's all pinky in your head:lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Can either Ferrari or Redbull lodge a complaint to the FIA regarding the W13's mirrors attached to a wing as an aero device going into the Bahrain GP weekend!!!

[elnano14]

What about 09, 2010,11,12,13..... It's all pinky in your head:lol

They are from V8 - a whole different era, I don't know what's the point of this comparison . Heck 09 is not even from the last decade...

[Aziz]

They are from V8 - a whole different era, I don't know what's the point of this comparison . Heck 09 is not even from the last decade...

Yeah but you can see the pattern of RB being in front of us even when our V8 was probably the best in class

[Hornet]

I think the performance order may change as the season progress.
I doubt that 6 days of limited winter testing is sufficient for the teams to fully optimize the car setup for such a major design change. And with in season development, this season could be about who develop and optimize their car the fastest.

[Gilles]

Come on, let’s still fight ourself a little :
According to Auto Motor und Sport, a Mercedes insider claimed that “Red Bull and us are in the same boat, we are not in our normal form. If there was a race on Sunday, Ferrari would win by a clear margin. And the alarming thing is that the other teams are right behind us.”
https://scuderiafans.com/mattia-binotto-reveals-what-will-be-deciding-factor-in-first-race-of-2022-f1-season/

[JacKy]

Mick Schumacher 1:33.151 witch C3 , very good lap.

Oh boy no one see this coming

Mazepin will kick himself

[Gilles]

“Happy faces at Ferrari? We are aware of the value of our opponents. They’re strong and they’re proving it today. They say we are the favourites but we’re not. Last year’s champions are Red Bull and today they brought developments and show that they are strong. The competition will be strong. There are smiles from us, even from our drivers but for a car that can be taken to the limit. It’s a good base. We arrived prepared and collected a lot of data. We did a lot of laps and gathering information was our objective. What grade would I give us? 8 for the preparation.” – the Ferrari boss said.
“We are more ready to fight than last year. We always said that 2022 was an opportunity. Today we are at the top, but then we have to explain and tell the story of this day, with the tyres and the performance of others. But we are not far off. We will need three – four races to understand the potential of everyone and next weekend’s results will not be definitive. It’s difficult to judge at the moment, but I can say that there will be three teams close together. And they are the favourites, we’re the outsiders. Don’t read too much into these lap times. Everyone is trying to hide their true potential. Our feeling is that everything will be very close. The road will be long and not only the starting point but the whole development will count. But the premise of a spectacular race is there!” – Scuderia Ferrari Team Principal Mattia Binotto concluded on the final day of pre-season testing in Bahrain.

[SS454]

Can either Ferrari or Redbull lodge a complaint to the FIA regarding the W13's mirrors attached to a wing as an aero device going into the Bahrain GP weekend!!!

I don't think so. Kylesengineers did an analysis of the W13's sidepods and he believes Mercedes have a clever interpretation of the rules which make it all legal.

[SS454]

When George Russell ran his 1:32.888 he was setting the fastest mini sectors out of all the corners, the acceleration phase onto the straights. Then he must have shut the batteries off shortly after because the Mercedes was several kph slower by the end of the straight than the likes of Ferrari or Red Bull, sometimes 5 or 6 kph slower. So either the Mercedes is unbelievably draggy, or they are heavily sandbagging. I saw a telemetry overlay between Ferrari and Mercedes, and the Merc was massively slower on the straights, all the way from the point of accel to the Vmax. This is not drag, that's power modes. I think Mercedes has loads of power left.

[jgonzalesm6]

I don't think so. Kylesengineers did an analysis of the W13's sidepods and he believes Mercedes have a clever interpretation of the rules which make it all legal.

That's his belief.....he's not 100% certain.

From what I've learned in the past, any mirror attached to a wing and uses it as an aero device is against the rules. Ferrari tried it on the F60 and also on the halo not too long ago....all were banned. That's my interpretation of the rules. I'm not directing this towards you SS454.

[Gilles]

Come on, let’s still fight ourself a little :
According to Auto Motor und Sport, a Mercedes insider claimed that “Red Bull and us are in the same boat, we are not in our normal form. If there was a race on Sunday, Ferrari would win by a clear margin. And the alarming thing is that the other teams are right behind us.”
https://scuderiafans.com/mattia-binotto-reveals-what-will-be-deciding-factor-in-first-race-of-2022-f1-season/

Are you tired of fighting or you don’t like my jokes?

[Gilles]

That's his belief.....he's not 100% certain.

From what I've learned in the past, any mirror attached to a wing and uses it as an aero device is against the rules. Ferrari tried it on the F60 and also on the halo not too long ago....all were banned. That's my interpretation of the rules. I'm not directing this towards you SS454.

I agree with both of you :
Sidepods would be legal, mirrors a lot less

[JacKy]

When George Russell ran his 1:32.888 he was setting the fastest mini sectors out of all the corners, the acceleration phase onto the straights. Then he must have shut the batteries off shortly after because the Mercedes was several kph slower by the end of the straight than the likes of Ferrari or Red Bull, sometimes 5 or 6 kph slower. So either the Mercedes is unbelievably draggy, or they are heavily sandbagging. I saw a telemetry overlay between Ferrari and Mercedes, and the Merc was massively slower on the straights, all the way from the point of accel to the Vmax. This is not drag, that's power modes. I think Mercedes has loads of power left.

I looked into mercs onboards to understand.

Imo they were using speed limitor. Max speed was either 280 or 290 time to time ( even with drs )

Of course they have more than this. But they are not going to strong as they were in the past 8 years.

[wisepie]

Shame that some of us are too ready to criticise the team even as the testing performance has been pretty positive for the Scuderia. Let's see what happens next weekend before we write off another year and be thankful that we appear to be back in the game! Seeing Max on top at the end of testing was frustrating but hardly a surprise, was Charles trying to have another go before the red flag was shown, I wonder? Good job from the team so far.:thumb

[Gilles]

When George Russell ran his 1:32.888 he was setting the fastest mini sectors out of all the corners, the acceleration phase onto the straights. Then he must have shut the batteries off shortly after because the Mercedes was several kph slower by the end of the straight than the likes of Ferrari or Red Bull, sometimes 5 or 6 kph slower. So either the Mercedes is unbelievably draggy, or they are heavily sandbagging. I saw a telemetry overlay between Ferrari and Mercedes, and the Merc was massively slower on the straights, all the way from the point of accel to the Vmax. This is not drag, that's power modes. I think Mercedes has loads of power left.

I think Mercedes and Rb could be a bit faster than us, our card is maybe on drivebality, at least for this first race
Complete answer on sunday, not saturday

[SS454]

That's his belief.....he's not 100% certain.

From what I've learned in the past, any mirror attached to a wing and uses it as an aero device is against the rules. Ferrari tried it on the F60 and also on the halo not too long ago....all were banned. That's my interpretation of the rules. I'm not directing this towards you SS454.

His belief is pretty credible since he was an aerodynamisist at Mercedes F1 and he went through the rule book and gave explanation. But you are correct, not 100% positive. I do recall the rule not allowing the mirrors to be used as aero devices, which they pretty much all are now anyways. We'll see if any protests get lodged, but I suspect it will be deemed legal. Worst case for Mercedes is they have to make some minor changes which likely don't make a big impact on the car anyways.

[SS454]

I think Mercedes and Rb could be a bit faster than us, our card is maybe on drivebality, at least for this first race
Complete answer on sunday, not saturday

Absolutely. Even if Mercedes is faster over 1 lap, it doesn't mean the car will be good over an entire grand prix.

[tifosi1993]

So Mick has gone 2nd fastest. He has the fastest sector 2 time, 0.5 seconds faster than his 2021 qualifying time in that aforementioned sector.

[jgonzalesm6]

I do recall the rule not allowing the mirrors to be used as aero devices, which they pretty much all are now anyways. We'll see if any protests get lodged, but I suspect it will be deemed legal. Worst case for Mercedes is they have to make some minor changes which likely don't make a big impact on the car anyways.

I have yet to see any other car with their mirrors attached to a winglet for 2022 other than Mercedes....and the W13 winglet is huge (with mirror attached).

[Gilles]

Absolutely. Even if Mercedes is faster over 1 lap, it doesn't mean the car will be good over an entire grand prix.

Porpoising, understeer, cooling, brakes :Hmm

[PURE PASSION]

Well there is also this point of view. (Not that i believe it, just saying that it could be a scenario, like many other even worsen for us)

According to some opponents, Red Bull used the power unit in a mode very close to the qualifying one, taking on a slightly higher amount of fuel than is used in the fast lap.

Even Leclerc in his fastest lap simulation did not take to the track with the qualifying 'power unit-petrol load configuration' combination, uncovering only part of the cards

[jgonzalesm6]

Porpoising, understeer :Hmm

No kidding on the porpoising with the W13....actually several teams were still experiencing this effect. I have'nt seen Mercedes this combobulated....ever. Yeah they had tire issues (degradation) within the first 2 races but they fixed that issue (before 2022).

Mercedes needs a new floor come the BahrainGP.

[SS454]

I have yet to see any other car with their mirrors attached to a winglet for 2022 other than Mercedes....and the W13 winglet is huge (with mirror attached).

Now days all teams have a aero shaped mirror with a hollow shape. Aero device, who knows.

As for how the mirror is attached, I guess the rules state that there needs to be a cross bar that attaches the mirror to the chassis. Apparently Mercedes has this but it's built into the bodywork that surrounds the upper crash bar. This crash bar has to be there, and it has to be covered in body work. Mercedes has done this according to the rules. By interpretation, Mercedes has body work over the crash bar, which the mirrors are attached to. They are allowed to have rear stabilizers so to speak to keep the mirror from shaking or falling off. Rules do not state how many are allowed.

As of right now, I can only tip my cap at the innovated design Mercedes came up with. I just hope it's a turd.

[Gilles]

No kidding on the porpoising with the W13....actually several teams were still experiencing this effect. I have'nt seen Mercedes this combobulated....ever. Yeah they had tire issues (degradation) within the first 2 races but they fixed that issue (before 2022).

Mercedes needs a new floor come the BahrainGP.

Sorry, i can't be sure to well understand your answer, and then your opinion about Mercedes porpoising
On my side i think they maybe still have porpoising, a least it's what i read in their forums
If you mean that they should be able to solve it as they are quick to react, i agree with you. But i hope they wont for this race

[Redfive]

Lots of people (even ones that should know better) are saying it's Red Bull - Ferrari - Merc.
Seriously? after all these years and people still fall for the Merc lies. You can guarantee once we hit Q3 the sandbags will come off and all of a sudden it'll be faster.

I'm amazed people still believe the lies and Lewis today saying they won't be fighting for wins, utter nonsense. They should really stop all this BS.

[Tifoso]

Lots of people (even ones that should know better) are saying it's Red Bull - Ferrari - Merc.
Seriously? after all these years and people still fall for the Merc lies. You can guarantee once we hit Q3 the sandbags will come off and all of a sudden it'll be faster.

I'm amazed people still believe the lies and Lewis today saying they won't be fighting for wins, utter nonsense. They should really stop all this BS.
Can’t stand the guy, but I can’t recall Lewis not being up and up during the preseason. Maybe he has slightly downplayed his chances (modesty?-highly doubt it), but not to this extent. We’ll see.

[Aziz]

Mattia Binotto to Carlo Vanzini (Sky Italia):

"You always tell me 'just give Charles a car' - well, now let's see what he will do.":ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[faloupas]

It is just testing but it is not possible to ignore what has happened all these years.
Red Bull and Mercedes have proven that they are capable of completely changing their car and stay competitive. Our upgrades have always been small wings, and the car was upgraded slightly during the season.Every year in testing the car was the same as presentation people!
Tire management has been a chronic problem since 2011. We constantly make cars that lag behind the hardest tires.Desicions were always not in the right direction!
In 2009 we took the wrong direction..in 2014 the same ... in 2020 the same ... 2017-2018 ... ok but not enough.
So yes it's not bad to be optimistic but let's have the worst case scenario again ... we're used to it.
If this car is a failure, what will be the excuses again?
I'm just a fan, I have no idea about aerodynamics or engineering ... I think I say things that most of us have thought.

[Gilles]

It is just testing but it is not possible to ignore what has happened all these years.
Red Bull and Mercedes have proven that they are capable of completely changing their car and stay competitive. Our upgrades have always been small wings, and the car was upgraded slightly during the season.Every year in testing the car was the same as presentation people!
Tire management has been a chronic problem since 2011. We constantly make cars that lag behind the hardest tires.Desicions were always not in the right direction!
In 2009 we took the wrong direction..in 2014 the same ... in 2020 the same ... 2017-2018 ... ok but not enough.
So yes it's not bad to be optimistic but let's have the worst case scenario again ... we're used to it.
If this car is a failure, what will be the excuses again?
I'm just a fan, I have no idea about aerodynamics or engineering ... I think I say things that most of us have thought.

The change is that now things are in place to face the competition. We have the tools working to develop the car, as Mercrdes and Rb have since some years. We still be a bit back compared to these teams when fully using them, but we can catch up. Have hope mate, we are starting to be back in the game

[faloupas]

We are all fans...we all love this team...Playing catch up seems already a failoure to me!
Last time we really turned around a situation was 2006...
Anyway lets hope things wont be that bad..

[PURE PASSION]

It is just testing but it is not possible to ignore what has happened all these years.
Red Bull and Mercedes have proven that they are capable of completely changing their car and stay competitive. Our upgrades have always been small wings, and the car was upgraded slightly during the season.Every year in testing the car was the same as presentation people!
Tire management has been a chronic problem since 2011. We constantly make cars that lag behind the hardest tires.Desicions were always not in the right direction!
In 2009 we took the wrong direction..in 2014 the same ... in 2020 the same ... 2017-2018 ... ok but not enough.
So yes it's not bad to be optimistic but let's have the worst case scenario again ... we're used to it.
If this car is a failure, what will be the excuses again?
I'm just a fan, I have no idea about aerodynamics or engineering ... I think I say things that most of us have thought.

Also the reality is that ,IT IS WHAT IT IS !!! You ,me or anybody in here have no say about it that could make an actual change/good for the team. All we do is just nagging in here and this is annoying for some. It's pretty clear for me.I will have to accept it (if we again fail ) or move on and don't bother any more about races ,results ,evolution etc.

[JacKy]

According to telemetry datas

* Leclerc opened DRS 50 meters late than his opponents (at the beginning of the flying lap)
* Lerclec was the only car on full throttle at Turn 7 (impressive)
* Redbull’s uses longer gear ratios. And higher RPM
* Mercedes uses shortest Gear ratios. ( explains faster accelerations )

[djmorin27]

not to worried mick ended the day 2nd fastest on the medium tire in a haas so dont get to worked up

[JacKy]

Well there is also this point of view. (Not that i believe it, just saying that it could be a scenario, like many other even worsen for us)

The reason why people thinks Leclerc was on lower power mode is telemetry data shows that Sainz was able to reach 315-316 km/s constantly while Leclerc reached 307 km/s on his fastest lap. And i aggre with that idea.

[Silent Bob]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

[JacKy]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

It is all about extracting car’s Max potential in the end.

We always fell behind after summer break since 2010. Except 2019 and we all know how did that end.

[FerrariF60]

not to worried mick ended the day 2nd fastest on the medium tire in a haas so dont get to worked up

maybe HAAS is the team to beat......maybe they were the real sandbaggers all along.....:-E

[jgonzalesm6]

All performance data aside or what you make of it, one thing that has changed in this new formula for 2022 is that Mercedes as a team no longer leads in cumulative laps and mileage for all 6 days of testing.

Ferrari did well....very well in cumulative laps and mileage to top the charts. "Head down and stay focused."

[killer]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.

About sums it up, yep. You can also add how a Haas is faster than us now. 2022 is a shambles already; might as well focus on ‘23.

[jgonzalesm6]

So we have pretty good testing sessions. Car looks stable, pretty quick and we really didnt crank it up yet. But it's a failure because we didnt bring a Bspec car to 2nd testing. And because RB and Merc did they are automatically better than us.


About sums it up, yep. You can also add how a Haas is faster than us now. 2022 is a shambles already; might as well focus on ‘23.

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

[ferras]

Final results: https://i.imgur.com/QAgLKfQ.png
For comparison 2021 tests: https://i.imgur.com/GmP0D9q.png

Most cars in 2021 quali did not improve much compared to the tests.

[tifosi1993]

According to telemetry datas

* Leclerc opened DRS 50 meters late than his opponents (at the beginning of the flying lap)
* Lerclec was the only car on full throttle at Turn 7 (impressive)
* Redbull’s uses longer gear ratios. And higher RPM
* Mercedes uses shortest Gear ratios. ( explains faster accelerations )

Charles is also accelerating out of corners faster.

[SS454]

Final results: https://i.imgur.com/QAgLKfQ.png
For comparison 2021 tests: https://i.imgur.com/GmP0D9q.png

Most cars in 2021 quali did not improve much compared to the tests.

Looking at last year is a good example of how much teams can fudge around in testing.

Verstappen test - 1:28.960 vs Q - 1:28.997
Hamilton test - 1:30.025 vs Q - 1:29.385
Ferrari test - 1:29.611 vs Q - 1:29.678
Tsunoda test - 1:29.053 vs Q - 1:30.607
Kimi test - 1:29.766 vs Q - 1:31.238

So Mercedes sandbagged, Ferrari and Red Bull didn't. While lower teams like AlphaTauri and Alfa Romeo did hero laps that were probably outside the rules to attract sponsors.

[paolo lalli]

Max,s fast lap was on the ragged edge redbull,can claim they have more beans may be but not that many more.Red bull and Max can say what they want we shall see next week.Ferrari playing there cards close besides we really are the underdogs are we not.

[killer]

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

/s, sir. ��

[paneristi]

Spot on. I like this post. Btw, I came across this video https://youtu.be/RyNy3YxdLLo . Somehow it looks like RB ‘kind of’ trying a bit like F1-75 with less radical undercut and more streamlined front wing on day 3. Everybody is copying everybody else, just like what Binotto said. And talking about radical sidepod, it looks like RB employs similarly sized sidepod as Merc, one being rather square, and the other being elongated.
It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

[paolo lalli]

So what have red bull developed them selves,looks like sweet **** all.They presented a shell on the redbull reveal day then copied ferrari and mercedes and bolted the parts on thats how this so called redcrap evolved.

[ferras]

Max,s fast lap was on the ragged edge redbull,can claim they have more beans may be but not that many more.Red bull and Max can say what they want we shall see next week.Ferrari playing there cards close besides we really are the underdogs are we not.

Yes, and Mick (with C4 compound) is only 0.5s slower than Max (with C5 compound) :lol I have no doubt RBR is one of the fastest, if not the fastest. I think in quali we will see times under 1:30.500 at least. Maybe even under 1:30(depending on track conditions)

[ferras]

Looking at last year is a good example of how much teams can fudge around in testing.

Verstappen test - 1:28.960 vs Q - 1:28.997
Hamilton test - 1:30.025 vs Q - 1:29.385
Ferrari test - 1:29.611 vs Q - 1:29.678
Tsunoda test - 1:29.053 vs Q - 1:30.607
Kimi test - 1:29.766 vs Q - 1:31.238

So Mercedes sandbagged, Ferrari and Red Bull didn't. While lower teams like AlphaTauri and Alfa Romeo did hero laps that were probably outside the rules to attract sponsors.

If i remember correctly, they had a very sandy or windy track in last year’s quali. That’s why they couldn't improve. And Mercedes had more problems in tests than others.

[speedmaster]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/federico-albano/f1-test-bahrain-redbull-si-conferma-ferrari-migliora-nella-guidabilita-mercedes-russell-leclerc-hamilton-verstappen-dati-telemetria-analisi-608332.html

[Super M]

All performance data aside or what you make of it, one thing that has changed in this new formula for 2022 is that Mercedes as a team no longer leads in cumulative laps and mileage for all 6 days of testing.

Ferrari did well....very well in cumulative laps and mileage to top the charts. "Head down and stay focused."

Probably the best reply to date in this thread. Thanks jgonzalesm6 :thumb

For me, i only looked at the lap counts completed by Ferrari. That was impressive!.

As for some of the comments of ruling out Ferrari already, Some of You guys clearly don't understand TESTING!, Yes we had a hard time the last 2 years, i get that. But can we all just take a chill pill and back our boys for just once!!!

If they fail this year , i will personally stand up and admit that we got it wrong. But for now, Lets leave it and rather wait for next weekend.

[jgonzalesm6]

/s, sir. ��


Spot on. I like this post. .


Probably the best reply to date in this thread. Thanks jgonzalesm6 :thumb





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[ferras]

If they fail this year , i will personally stand up and admit that we got it wrong. But for now, Lets leave it and rather wait for next weekend.

I hear this almost every year :lol

[tpe]

I saw a post in another forum, with Binotto saying to an Italian journalist:
"You always ask me what Leclerc with do if we give him the car, now he has the car, let's see".

If this is true, I think is says everything we need to know until next week.

[Super M]

I hear this almost every year :lol


Problem is, it's getting long in the tooth.

I still have faith

[scudieros]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/federico-albano/f1-test-bahrain-redbull-si-conferma-ferrari-migliora-nella-guidabilita-mercedes-russell-leclerc-hamilton-verstappen-dati-telemetria-analisi-608332.html

Thanks. A real analysis. I think we look very very good for the star of the season. We are not the best but not far off. If Haas performance is anything to go by, we should have plenty more performance to show in qualy mode. While Merc is playing silly games, they still do have some issues to sort, and we can steal some early points off them. Red bull have solved all their issues with one update, if we find that kind of fix for the bouncing, I think we could do really well. Ferrari have worked well and I don't have the negative sense that usually accompanies a start of the season.

Forza Ferrari Sempre :ferrarifl

[patrese86]

Looking at last year is a good example of how much teams can fudge around in testing.

Verstappen test - 1:28.960 vs Q - 1:28.997
Hamilton test - 1:30.025 vs Q - 1:29.385
Ferrari test - 1:29.611 vs Q - 1:29.678
Tsunoda test - 1:29.053 vs Q - 1:30.607
Kimi test - 1:29.766 vs Q - 1:31.238

So Mercedes sandbagged, Ferrari and Red Bull didn't. While lower teams like AlphaTauri and Alfa Romeo did hero laps that were probably outside the rules to attract sponsors.

Weren't those tyres in testing set on the softest compounds though? If it's like this year then this softest compound will be the C3 for the race and not the C5. So for example Verstappen matched his test time last season on a compound two steps harder for Qualifying in 2021?

[ferras]

Problem is, it's getting long in the tooth.

I still have faith

I mean, i agree with theory that Ferrari could have prepared the best chassis for the start of the season. But i’m still worried about engine power.

[Super M]

I mean, i agree with theory that Ferrari could have prepared the best chassis for the start of the season. But i’m still worried about the engine.


See, this is what gets me.

Why would you be worried about he engine, Did Ferrari's engineer give you info that we on this site don't know of ?......Exactly, you don't have such. Until we see around the 5th GP of the year , we won't really know the true pecking order.

I'm not gunning you, but it's these sort of statements on here that get some of us wondering where people get their info from.

All i maintain is, Lets support our guys before shooting them down in flames ( Just for this once )

Peace

[Gilles]

We are all fans...we all love this team...Playing catch up seems already a failoure to me!
Last time we really turned around a situation was 2006...
Anyway lets hope things wont be that bad..


About sums it up, yep. You can also add how a Haas is faster than us now. 2022 is a shambles already; might as well focus on ‘23.


Also the reality is that ,IT IS WHAT IT IS !!! You ,me or anybody in here have no say about it that could make an actual change/good for the team. All we do is just nagging in here and this is annoying for some. It's pretty clear for me.I will have to accept it (if we again fail ) or move on and don't bother any more about races ,results ,evolution etc.


It is all about extracting car’s Max potential in the end.

We always fell behind after summer break since 2010. Except 2019 and we all know how did that end.

It is understandable that many fans have lost confidence.
However things are in place for a return of Ferrari in the right direction, it is clear since a year already.
Now it remains to have patience, it is not magic and the last steps to climb are long to reach

[Gilles]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/federico-albano/f1-test-bahrain-redbull-si-conferma-ferrari-migliora-nella-guidabilita-mercedes-russell-leclerc-hamilton-verstappen-dati-telemetria-analisi-608332.html

:thumb Thanks

[Super M]

It is understandable that many fans have lost confidence.
However things are in place for a return of Ferrari in the right direction, it is clear since a year already.
Now it remains to have patience, it is not magic and the last steps to climb are long to reach



True words right there :thumb

[Gilles]

I mean, i agree with theory that Ferrari could have prepared the best chassis for the start of the season. But i’m still worried about engine power.

After the first race, we will have a clear picture on engines order
Unlike the two previous years, Ferrari should be strong again. Unless a surprising (more than normaly anticipated) gain by others, they should be at least on par with

[ferras]

See, this is what gets me.

Why would you be worried about he engine, Did Ferrari's engineer give you info that we on this site don't know of ?......Exactly, you don't have such. Until we see around the 5th GP of the year , we won't really know the true pecking order.

I'm not gunning you, but it's these sort of statements on here that get some of us wondering where people get their info from.

All i maintain is, Lets support our guys before shooting them down in flames ( Just for this once )

Peace

It's just simple. We haven’t been able to build a good and legal PU in the last 8 seasons. At least i hope the problems were caused by the electrical part and not by ICE.

[patrese86]

I think when it comes to Ferrari you need to balance your expectations and see both sides. It's fair to playdown expectations to a certain degree, at least to the media, i hate them and they will only use any positivity against you. In the inner circles though we should be acknowledging that only winning is an option. Whilst it might not happen overnight we have plouged the resources into this season so there is no excuse to be fighting with McLaren, Aston Martin etc. We need to be splitting the Red bulls and Mercedes. If for example in Bahrain you have a qualifying result that looks something like P1 Max, P2 Leclerc, P3 Hamilton, P4 Sainz, P5 Perez, P6 Russell...then for me that's competing and a platform to build. If we aren't doing that then we haven't improved.

[Gilles]

It's just simple. We haven’t been able to build a good and legal PU in the last 8 seasons. At least i hope the problems were caused by the electrical part and not by ICE.

In 2014, our ICE was far to the Mercedes one, mainly due to their huge cheating, but also not on par with Renault, due to aero's packaging requirement. After that, it was a slow close up, beating Renault, until 2019's up and down with reasons wich were never very clear. If probably not on par on the electrical side for a while, it seems we did a good job last year to catch up

[KimiBot]

I think when it comes to Ferrari you need to balance your expectations and see both sides. It's fair to playdown expectations to a certain degree, at least to the media, i hate them and they will only use any positivity against you. In the inner circles though we should be acknowledging that only winning is an option. Whilst it might not happen overnight we have plouged the resources into this season so there is no excuse to be fighting with McLaren, Aston Martin etc. We need to be splitting the Red bulls and Mercedes. If for example in Bahrain you have a qualifying result that looks something like P1 Max, P2 Leclerc, P3 Hamilton, P4 Sainz, P5 Perez, P6 Russell...then for me that's competing and a platform to build. If we aren't doing that then we haven't improved.

:thumb

[JPZ]

The Mercedes still porpoising?

Saw a clip of their new sidepod version still porpoising. Or did they solve the problem?

[JPZ]

It's just simple. We haven’t been able to build a good and legal PU in the last 8 seasons. At least i hope the problems were caused by the electrical part and not by ICE.

2018?

[Super M]

I think when it comes to Ferrari you need to balance your expectations and see both sides. It's fair to playdown expectations to a certain degree, at least to the media, i hate them and they will only use any positivity against you. In the inner circles though we should be acknowledging that only winning is an option. Whilst it might not happen overnight we have plouged the resources into this season so there is no excuse to be fighting with McLaren, Aston Martin etc. We need to be splitting the Red bulls and Mercedes. If for example in Bahrain you have a qualifying result that looks something like P1 Max, P2 Leclerc, P3 Hamilton, P4 Sainz, P5 Perez, P6 Russell...then for me that's competing and a platform to build. If we aren't doing that then we haven't improved.

Well said :-D

[PURE PASSION]

Turrini: "As far as I understand it, the F1-75 never ran with a very low fuel load, nor did it want to show off the power of the new PU (low power mode). The most positive thing is certainly the fact that there were no particular problems."
"Both drivers showed the consistency of the car with relative ease og using the new tyres, especially the harder tyres. This is usually a positive sign, a characteristic we saw last time with the SF70H."
"The F1-75 will not change much in the first races. The belief is that there is no reason to do so because firstly, there may be much more to extract from the current car itself."

Corriere reports that the F1-75 were driven with lots of fuel during testing in Bahrain, the difference in the fight at the top is estimated at two to three tenths.
"All the investment in terms of resources and time dedicated to this project is producing the desired results. Things are going as Binotto had planned. It's too early to say whether Ferrari can win, but we know now that they will be in the fight."

[Gilles]

The Mercedes still porpoising?

Saw a clip of their new sidepod version still porpoising. Or did they solve the problem?

They still popoising. Of course it depends of rear height and fuel load, but haven't yet solved it

[PURE PASSION]

#AMuS During the last test day, Red Bull fully turned up the engine but Mercedes believes that there is more to come because Red Bull drove with more fuel. Mercedes only turned up the engine in some stages but not during the fast lap. Ferrari also drove with reduced engine power.
Both Mercedes and Red Bull say that Ferrari did not get their lap times in this year's tests with little fuel, so the lap times are considered competitive.
The RB18 also convinced in the longruns by being less hard on the tyres than the W13. The teams that are able to drive close to the ground, and still manage to take care of bouncing should have the best cards. Ferrari might have more performance in that too.

[Gilles]

Ferrari vs Mercedes vs Red Bull, best lap telemetry comparison with Speed, Throttle, RPM, Gear, DRS
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-vs-mercedes-vs-red-bull-best-lap-telemetry-comparison-with-speed-throttle-rpm-gear-drs/

[elnano14]

The update RBR brought on the last day worth about 0.5s, so I think we and RBR are the two top teams right now (RBR might be a little faster / has higher peak than us but we should've been within 0.2-0.3s to them or even faster at some tracks), Mercedes might be slightly behind but don't doubt their development during season

[JacKy]

My concern mostly about development of the car during season

Since 2010 , Ferrari fells short after summer breaks. Redbull is quite impressive on devoloping their cars.

[ntukza]

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.


"Mercedes looks bewildered..."
My favourite sentence in this thread so far!

[Gilles]

My concern mostly about development of the car during season

Since 2010 , Ferrari fells short after summer breaks. Redbull is quite impressive on devoloping their cars.

I’m repeating myself, but as I say for months, it’s a question of simulation tools. Ferrari’s ones were outdated and gave false results. They preferred to stop development two years ago to invest massively in new state-of-the-art equipment (you surely remember the 2020's Hungary update which didn't work and that they never understood, also the 2020 concept designed wrongly with these tools).Today, they work with egual tools that both large teams and their corelations are made, so there is no more reason to fear they still can't update the car
You will have the prouf of that in one month, on the Imola track with their first big car's update
Are you reassured ?

[ntukza]

I’m repeating myself, but as I say for months, it’s a question of simulation tools. Ferrari’s ones were outdated and gave false results. They preferred to stop development two years ago to invest massively in new state-of-the-art equipment. Today, they work with egual tools that both large teams, because their corelations are made, so there is no more reason to fear they still can't update the car
You will have the prouf of that in one month, on the Imola track with their first big car's update
Are you reassured ?

This is a good point. With that in mind, it makes sense for Ferrari to focus more on data gathering at this stage than performance, and to not rush updates. A team like RB can afford to produce an update within one week, but because our tools are still new we rather delay the updates and spend more time proving our tools. Makes perfect sense, and is definitely more reassuring.

[Schumiklub]

https://i.ibb.co/RBT01xN/717-FBCEE-655-A-47-CC-B667-8153-E9-BBD2-BC.jpg

Interesting comparison. Mercedes much bulkier towards the top.

[PURE PASSION]

And more , the team keep saying that there's a lot more to extract from the current setup. They don't look to be in a hurry like they don't afraid from the potential of Merc and Redbull. Who knows, perhaps we actually have a very good car to start with,and from there we can only be better and better. I seems only a dream for a team that haven't saw such characteristics in the last 10+ years ,but till now it looks like they work like a different ,refreshed team!!!!

[Gilles]

This is a good point. With that in mind, it makes sense for Ferrari to focus more on data gathering at this stage than performance, and to not rush updates. A team like RB can afford to produce an update within one week, but because our tools are still new we rather delay the updates and spend more time proving our tools. Makes perfect sense, and is definitely more reassuring.


It takes at least two weeks to manufacture carbon parts. If you add to this the time to design with Cad and Cfd and validate in the wind tunnel, it’s a lot more. The strength of the two big teams is to do this job well, thanks to their best tools (except porpoising which is not yet simulated). Then, when they put something on the track, they find what they wanted when they started the whole process.
At Ferrari, they couldn’t find on the track what their tools told them at the factory and didn’t understand anything. They were like blind.
Now they’re finally at the same level.
It is for this same reason that I did not see McLaren in front this year, they do not yet have the necessary tools

[jgonzalesm6]

https://i.ibb.co/RBT01xN/717-FBCEE-655-A-47-CC-B667-8153-E9-BBD2-BC.jpg

Interesting comparison. Mercedes much bulkier towards the top.

Mercedes has introduced some"space-age" cooling having to do with heat exchangers. Pat Symonds talked about it in an article hence the low profile of the sidepod air intake.

I honestly don't know what "space-age" means with regards to technology from spacecraft back in the 70's or space shuttle programs....who knows.

[SFTifoso]

"Mercedes looks bewildered..."
My favourite sentence in this thread so far!

I think they just took the simplest approach to their car.

Mercedes: “We don't have time to test new ideas. Let’s just focus on low drag streamlining because that’s a concept that 100% works. Make the car look like a fish, and work out the bugs as we go along.”

Streamline works of course, but it’s far from guaranteeing fast lap times. They just went with a simple approach and trying to make the best of it.

[PURE PASSION]

"The PU was only slightly used in a higher mode by Haas and Alfa Romeo, not Ferrari. Mercedes and Honda are set to be quite worried of the new PU. The track has to confirm that."
GiulyDuchessa reports that Ferrari are satisfied with the work and data collected during the Bahrain test, which will allow Ferrari to begin to extract the true potential of the F1-75.
Ferrari is planning to use a celebratory livery for Monaco and Monza, according to GiulyDuchessa. #F1

[Tifoso]

According to telemetry datas

* Leclerc opened DRS 50 meters late than his opponents (at the beginning of the flying lap)
* Lerclec was the only car on full throttle at Turn 7 (impressive)
* Redbull’s uses longer gear ratios. And higher RPM
* Mercedes uses shortest Gear ratios. ( explains faster accelerations )
Grazie fratello!

[Tony]

Binotto has not been one to mince words over the last 3 years. He's stated, quite factually, when his team was not going to be competitive. With that in mind, I'm baffled by, what appears to be, his contradictory statements. I cannot reconcile his comments about being an outsider with his comments about giving Leclerc a fast car. Unless he's referring to giving him a faster car later in the season.

So in my head, Binotto is signalling, at the very least, that the Ferrari wont be on the front row for the first few races, but is expecting to be competing for the top spot at some point later in the season.