2022 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread (Practice & Qualifying)

[tifosi1993]

https://i.postimg.cc/SxckgR1z/circuit.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN0qXd5WQAERCqo?format=jpg&name=large
https://i.redd.it/pbhadlajgzm81.jpg

[patrese86]

Very excited for this. Can't remember the last time I was this anxious/nervous for the season opener. I think a culmination of underperformance, new regs and new hope have all contributed.

[tifosi1993]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-2KMAWYAMUDAr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-2MMYXIAYz2J0?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[JacKy]

Here we go Tifosi!!!!

Can’t wait untill Q3

Hope this is the end of years of suffers.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ricciardo had COVID last week which is why he could not test. He will be able to practice, qualify and race.

Mercedes mirrors are LEGAL according to Motorsport Italia as of today.

[wisepie]

Very excited for this. Can't remember the last time I was this anxious/nervous for the season opener. I think a culmination of underperformance, new regs and new hope have all contributed.

I feel the same, no predictions from me and just hope that we can start the season in a positive and productive fashion. Forza Ferrari as always!:pray

[Greig]

Ferrari 1-2 not too fussed about the driver order :-D

[Liscia]

A beaut of a car in a delicious shade of vintage-style red and that split poster is very nicely done too! Thanks Tifoso1993!
Our team should looking into "legit" mirrors too if they would effect any positive aerodynamic contribution. Best of luck
to the team and per sempre FORZA FERRARI!!!

[JacKy]

Any news about if we bring updates on the car for race weekend?

[Tifoso]

Ferrari 1-2 not too fussed about the driver order :-D
Should be the TSN motto. :-D

[tifosi1993]

Get ready for the return of the 2019 Saturn V! 8-)

[PURE PASSION]

Any news about if we bring updates on the car for race weekend?

Τhey talk about a new bottom

[Gilles]

Τhey talk about a new bottom

They made one modification per test day in the diffuser area, to recover lost tenths by raising the rear to avoid porpoising. It is undoubtedly the continuity of this meticulous work (maybe not on the diffuser this time), it is I believe there that they seek to recover what they call the full potential of the car

[stefa]

Ferrari 1-2 not too fussed about the driver order :-D

:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

This is going to be fun to watch.

Seb tests positive for COVID. Hulk will replace Seb.

Let's see how the Stroller does against Hulk....a driver who's been out of F1 for quite awhile.

[jgonzalesm6]

Race Stewards


- Dr. Gerd Ennser
- Richard Norbury
- Derek Warwick - DRIVERS REPRESENTATIVE
- Mazen Al-Hilli

[Nick Singer]

Ferrari 1-2 not too fussed about the driver order :-D

That'll do me!

[jgonzalesm6]

Motorsport

Ferrari wants further clarity from the FIA over #F1 mirror designs amid intrigue over Mercedes' new concept in Bahrain.

[aroutis]

Motorsport

Ferrari wants further clarity from the FIA over #F1 mirror designs amid intrigue over Mercedes' new concept in Bahrain.

Good, keep the pressure on.

[jgonzalesm6]

Good, keep the pressure on.

:thumb


I say, Ferrari should mount the mirrors that got banned in 2018 back on the HALO.......:-D

[jgonzalesm6]

BTW: Mclaren holds the record at Bahrain with a lap of 1:31.447 (by Pedro dela Rosa, 2005 season)

V10 era baby.

[PURE PASSION]

Both Charles and Carlos: "Yes, we are aiming for the victory this weekend."

#BahrainGP #SkyItalia

[stefa]

Both Charles and Carlos: "Yes, we are aiming for the victory this weekend."

#BahrainGP #SkyItalia

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[FerrariF60]

BTW: Mclaren holds the record at Bahrain with a lap of 1:31.447 (by Pedro dela Rosa, 2005 season)

V10 era baby.

Yeah, I miss the screaming sounds of those V10’s

[jgonzalesm6]

Alpine shows up with new sidepods that are Ferrari-esque.

[scudieros]

https://i.redd.it/mtwmywti4yn81.png

you mean this?

[Redfive]

Forza Ferrari! I'll be crossing my fingers and toes all weekend and hoping for good results.

[Kyss4k]

I'ts that time of the year again :clap:ferrarifl

[SilverSpeed]

Oh yeah just bring it already!!!!!

[nani_s23]

Hope for a good start to the season. For all these years of waiting & sacrifice
Ferrari 1-2 would be a good present.

[paolo lalli]

A nation will pause as they watch the sf 75 take to the race track,no pressure.It amazes me how red fools and mad mercedes have created this warning hysteria about ferrari.No its redbull and mercedes then ferrari for now.Expect the unexpected,a new sherrif will be in town.

[WS6TransAm01]

Both Charles and Carlos: "Yes, we are aiming for the victory this weekend."

#BahrainGP #SkyItalia

If you’re not aiming for victory you may as well not show up.

[paolo lalli]

Go for the throat take no prisoners a ferrari victory or nothing.

[paneristi]

Ferrari 1-2 not too fussed about the driver order :-D:thumb:thumb:ferrarifl

[stefa]

New intro for 2022 season
https://youtu.be/s5VCm-YxrKQ

[Aziz]

Today our ascension to the top begins :ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[nani_s23]

#AMus: The Mercedes engineers are working on adjusting the car so that it comes into its aero window with a lot downforce without porpoising. Figures are circulating in the paddock that Mercedes might have found about a second with its new concept compared to the old one.
It is questionable whether Mercedes can get the porpoising under control without additional slots and holes in the floor. And that would cost lap time. In any case, Mercedes has not yet proved that its concept is the most promising. Nevertheless, the competition is worried.

In the paddock, no one wants to make a real judgement on the W13. Many believe that Mercedes hide the true potential during testing. One team calculated that Mercedes has one second in their hand with just engine power alone. The team saw in the GPS data of Williams.

[nani_s23]

#AMus: reports that Red Bull has reduced the weight of the RB18. The car is still above the minimum weight but rumors say that the current weight reduction could give them two or three tenths per lap.

[Gilles]

#AMus: reports that Red Bull has reduced the weight of the RB18. The car is still above the minimum weight but rumors say that the current weight reduction could give them two or three tenths per lap.

2 or 3 tenths represent 6 to 10kg on this track. it seems to me to be a lot of mass gain and close to the excess mass they had at the start

[SS454]

#AMus: reports that Red Bull has reduced the weight of the RB18. The car is still above the minimum weight but rumors say that the current weight reduction could give them two or three tenths per lap.

2-3 tenths? Was the car 25 kilos heavy or something?

[SS454]

2 or 3 tenths represent 6 to 10kg on this track. it seems to me to be a lot of mass gain and close to the excess mass they had at the start

I thought 10 kilos was worth around 3 tenths when the cars were under 700 kg?

[SS454]

Many believe that Mercedes hide the true potential during testing. One team calculated that Mercedes has one second in their hand with just engine power alone. The team saw in the GPS data of Williams.

Impossible. Tifosi1993 said Mercedes were barely holding back.

[jgonzalesm6]

Impossible. Tifosi1993 said Mercedes were barely holding back.

:-D.........:Hmm..............:roll

[Gilles]

#AMus: The Mercedes engineers are working on adjusting the car so that it comes into its aero window with a lot downforce without porpoising. Figures are circulating in the paddock that Mercedes might have found about a second with its new concept compared to the old one.
It is questionable whether Mercedes can get the porpoising under control without additional slots and holes in the floor. And that would cost lap time. In any case, Mercedes has not yet proved that its concept is the most promising. Nevertheless, the competition is worried.

In the paddock, no one wants to make a real judgement on the W13. Many believe that Mercedes hide the true potential during testing. One team calculated that Mercedes has one second in their hand with just engine power alone. The team saw in the GPS data of Williams.

I not sure the teams are really afraid of Mercedes' concept, maybe more generally by Mercedes ability to deliver a fast car.
It seems that Ferrari can also gain 1 second with their PU relatively to the tests.
Mercedes will progress in terms of porpoising, on this race and the following ones, and therefore gain in speed. They were behind a week ago, no doubt they will have already made progress, let's see how much
In this season's beginning, the first big gains are in recover what everyone lost in compromising floor work to escape porpoising. Mercedes is late, but it might not last very long

[Gilles]

I thought 10 kilos was worth around 3 tenths when the cars were under 700 kg?

From for formu1a.uno : "The 46 kg or more weight gain between the current and last season's cars at the Sahkir circuit is worth over 1.5 seconds"

[tifosi1993]

Impossible. Tifosi1993 said Mercedes were barely holding back.

Another idiotic post. I've said both Ferrari and Mercedes are holding back while Red Bull turned up the power. But since your mind so intertwined with the thoughts of Red Bull, Max and Newey, you can't even read properly.

[tifosi1993]

:-D.........:Hmm..............:roll

Is SS454 going to train you up to be more functional?

[nani_s23]

I not sure the teams are really afraid of Mercedes' concept, maybe more generally by Mercedes ability to deliver a fast car.
It seems that Ferrari can also gain 1 second with their PU relatively to the tests.
Mercedes will progress in terms of porpoising, on this race and the following ones, and therefore gain in speed. They were behind a week ago, no doubt they will have already made progress, let's see how much
In this season's beginning, the first big gains are in recover what everyone lost in compromising floor work to escape porpoising. Mercedes is late, but it might not last very long

It’s general update post from me.

If Mercs can find such gain, then ferrari too can. Hence I’m expecting ferrari to be super strong, if any below than that I’ll be disappointed. Because you sacrificed 2 years just for this change to bounce back strong.

On the other side, if we get behind Mercs & RB it’s very difficult to catch them again. So fingers crossed, hope for the best.

[SS454]

Another idiotic post. I've said both Ferrari and Mercedes are holding back while Red Bull turned up the power. But since your mind so intertwined with the thoughts of Red Bull, Max and Newey, you can't even read properly.

I recall you saying that Red Bull were almost running Q3 engine modes, Mercedes not that high, and Ferrari WAY reduced. I asked based on what findings, you refused to reply, which was no shock at all. Now the paddock rumors are Mercedes were massively holding back. Time will tell, I sure hope you were right, but how often is that the case?

[KimiBot]

Charles thoughts
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/03/17/leclerc-red-bull-favourite-but-mercedes-didnt-show-potential/

[killer]

Not long now. Forza Ferrari!

:ferrarifl

[SS454]

From for formu1a.uno : "The 46 kg or more weight gain between the current and last season's cars at the Sahkir circuit is worth over 1.5 seconds"

Very interesting. Seems high, though I'm sure that changes per track. In 2005 when Q1 was ran with empty tanks and Q2 was ran with race fuel, Alonso was 2.1 seconds slower with 23 laps of fuel onboard. Though Q2 was ran on a different day, and I'm sure they didn't use as much fuel in the race. But 23 laps of fuel was surely over 46 kg, in a car that weighed only 600 kg.

[PURE PASSION]

So ,from all the experts in this forum, have we won the championship or we end up 3d/4th.
I'm asking to see if it's worth to see the race or go for a walk???!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

So ,from all the experts in this forum, have we won the championship or we end up 3d/4th.
I'm asking to see if it's worth to see the race or go for a walk???!!!!

See the first 5 races, if you're not satisfied with the results then I suggest go for a walk.

[nani_s23]

See the first 5 races, if you're not satisfied with the results then I suggest go for a walk.

Still there is next season. :-D

[nani_s23]

#AMus: Teams have submitted technical info about their cars & the planned Bahrain upgrades to the FIA. The document has now been released to the media. Mercedes clearly put the most effort into it. Alpha Tauri, Williams & Haas are helpful too. The rest is more or less useless.

Mercedes modifications for race 1: front wing (flaps), nose (more undercut), floor (edge ahead of rear tyre), rear break ducts (lower deflector endplate).

[Ferrarichamp]

So ,from all the experts in this forum, have we won the championship or we end up 3d/4th.
I'm asking to see if it's worth to see the race or go for a walk???!!!!

experts?

[jgonzalesm6]

experts?

Figure of speech......he's joking.

[Gilles]

It’s general update post from me.

If Mercs can find such gain, then ferrari too can. Hence I’m expecting ferrari to be super strong, if any below than that I’ll be disappointed. Because you sacrificed 2 years just for this change to bounce back strong.

On the other side, if we get behind Mercs & RB it’s very difficult to catch them again. So fingers crossed, hope for the best.

This gain is about the porpoise resolution, Ferrari had recovered more than Mercedes, so Mercedes should recover more than Ferrari, just logical. This does not prevent Ferrari from keeping ahead by working before Mercedes on the next subject, which is the undertseer one. Nothing is lost. And if even Ferrari were slower at the start of the season than some rivals, I really don't see why they couldn't catch up.

[jgonzalesm6]

Still there is next season. :-D

aaaahhhh yes, the ever illustrious "next season" hopes.

[Gilles]

#AMus: Teams have submitted technical info about their cars & the planned Bahrain upgrades to the FIA. The document has now been released to the media. Mercedes clearly put the most effort into it. Alpha Tauri, Williams & Haas are helpful too. The rest is more or less useless.

Mercedes modifications for race 1: front wing (flaps), nose (more undercut), floor (edge ahead of rear tyre), rear break ducts (lower deflector endplate).

It's Mercedes trying to catch up, as expected. The order established a week ago will not necessarily be that of this weekend and this applies to many teams (
porpoising was estimated as a 7 tenths lost, that's a lot, and the reason why teams mainly focus on the first. It is also a handicap to develop the car more generally)

[JacKy]

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/status/1504770205863620608?s=21

We re going to measure air flow of diffusor at FP1

New diffusor confirmed.

[PURE PASSION]

yehhhh , 1st already !!!!!!!!

[Gilles]

For now it still be porpoising on the Mercedes

[faloupas]

We look already too slow...

[tifosi1993]

We look already too slow...

Only FP1 and heavily detuned engine. 305 km/h with DRS open, even slower than pre-season testing.

[tpe]

LH was bouncing up and down like a child on a trampoline!!!

[paneristi]

LEC spun

[Aziz]

Why are we so slow?

[scudieros]

Why are we so slow?

because we haven't tried going fast yet. testing the hard tyres for the race.

[gump1480]

Does anyone have a sector time comparison of Sai and Ves laps?

[nhiepka]

because we haven't tried going fast yet. testing the hard tyres for the race.

and also we are on hard type.

[paneristi]

With Medium we’re currently 2&3

[tifosi1993]

Why are we so slow?

We're not slow. Just wait until we turn up the power. Already P2 and P3 on mediums, but there's still more to come.

[JacKy]

both Leclerc and Sainz’s flying laps ruined by traffic (leclerc spun)

Orherwise we set purple at sector 1

Then both driver did 1.34.500-600 with 4 laps old mediums

[nhiepka]

We're not slow. Just wait until we turn up the power. Already P2 and P3 on mediums, but there's still more to come.

We look very solid.

[elnano14]

I think we could be well up there with RBR , maybe 1-3 tenth behind Max

[JacKy]

Mercedes purposing like hell

[patrese86]

Holy **** we look good

[JacKy]

Below 1:34.000 was possible with mediums if first flying laps not interrupted for us

And Gasly’s race engineer said “woah what a lap mate” for 1:34.193 with soft set.

[JacKy]

Top speed at Main straight ( in Fastest laps )

Lec - 309
Sai- 311
Vers - 310
Perez - 313
Rus - 305
Ham - 302

[tpe]

* Positive vibes.
* Concerned from the engine change on BOT's car
* Positive feelings for 2-3 (still only FP1)
* Happy for Pierre (sorry, I just like him)

[PURE PASSION]

Top speed at Main straight ( in Fastest laps )

Lec - 309
Sai- 311
Vers - 310
Perez - 313
Rus - 305
Ham - 302
Mercs too low!! On purpose (lower engine mode then us/rbr) or they cant again really go full throttle (porpoising)?

[gump1480]

Top speed at Main straight ( in Fastest laps )

Lec - 309
Sai- 311
Vers - 310
Perez - 313
Rus - 305
Ham - 302

Well...the Mercs are still sandbagging a lot !! So Mercs are very very fast.
Looks close between Redfools and us...Bottas already an engine change !!! What happened ?

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/Egel18K.jpg

[JacKy]

Mercs too low!! On purpose (lower engine mode then us/rbr) or they cant again really go full throttle (porpoising)?

They are porpoising like hell mate. Full head bang mode on

[WS6TransAm01]

Not a bad first outing. I am cautiously optimistic.


LH was bouncing up and down like a child on a trampoline!!!

Something tells me Lewis is no stranger to bouncing up and down... maybe not on a trampoline tho.

[FerrariF60]

Not a bad first outing. I am cautiously optimistic.



Something tells me Lewis is no stranger to bouncing up and down... maybe not on a trampoline tho.

lmao...good one mate

[faloupas]

Too early to judge indeed...too early to say we are fast or Mercedes is a mule...maybe in the end our car will be again a mule..or a title contender...in FP2 we will see more.First impression is that i expect more.

[WS6TransAm01]

lmao...good one mate

I mean the dude wore a doily dress... what else is there to say?

[elnano14]

More what, we could have been both P1 and P2 with Medium in the first try today and you guys still expect more

[FerrariF60]

I mean the dude wore a doily dress... what else is there to say?

douche, thats all i can say

[tpe]

Hahaha

[faloupas]

More what, we could have been both P1 and P2 with Medium in the first try today and you guys still expect more
Every year we have a mule and every year we expect to return in glory days...we are Ferrari ...if we dont expect more its better to support another team...

[tifosi1993]

https://youtu.be/-zHd1HyXn8g

Charles 305 on the straight compared to Max's 310. Max was ahead before turn 4, but Charles clawed back the time through turn 4.

Charles was faster than Max through turn 9 and 10. Better traction than the Red Bull. Acceleration is also way better.

[stefa]

OS
NO
DRIVER
CAR
TIME
GAP
LAPS


1
10
Pierre Gasly
ALPHATAURI RBPT
1:34.193

23


2
16
Charles Leclerc
FERRARI
1:34.557
+0.364s
22


3
55
Carlos Sainz
FERRARI
1:34.611
+0.418s
23


4
63
George Russell
MERCEDES
1:34.629
+0.436s
23


5
1
Max Verstappen
RED BULL RACING RBPT
1:34.742
+0.549s
22


6
18
Lance Stroll
ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES
1:34.814
+0.621s
22


7
44
Lewis Hamilton
MERCEDES
1:34.943
+0.750s
17


8
14
Fernando Alonso
ALPINE RENAULT
1:35.000
+0.807s
14


9
22
Yuki Tsunoda
ALPHATAURI RBPT
1:35.028
+0.835s
20


10
11
Sergio Perez
RED BULL RACING RBPT
1:35.050
+0.857s
23


11
24
Zhou Guanyu
ALFA ROMEO FERRARI
1:35.053
+0.860s
20


12
31
Esteban Ocon
ALPINE RENAULT
1:35.151
+0.958s
15


13
6
Nicholas Latifi
WILLIAMS MERCEDES
1:35.644
+1.451s
15


14
27
Nico Hulkenberg
ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES
1:35.815
+1.622s
23


15
23
Alexander Albon
WILLIAMS MERCEDES
1:35.923
+1.730s
17


16
4
Lando Norris
MCLAREN MERCEDES
1:36.304
+2.111s
22


17
3
Daniel Ricciardo
MCLAREN MERCEDES
1:36.402
+2.209s
20


18
47
Mick Schumacher
HAAS FERRARI
1:36.536
+2.343s
23


19
20
Kevin Magnussen
HAAS FERRARI
1:36.804
+2.611s
21


20
77
Valtteri Bottas
ALFA ROMEO FERRARI


2

[Gilles]

Every year we have a mule and every year we expect to return in glory days...we are Ferrari ...if we dont expect more its better to support another team...


If it's your case, it's not mine
This year, if not not the best one (who knows?), our car will not be a mule

[scudieros]

Did anyone catch what Max said about the Ferrari at turn 1 on the radio? He said something about 2 cars, sounded like either he was complaining or he was impressed, not sure which.

[scudieros]

Did anyone catch what Max said about the Ferrari at turn 1 on the radio? He said something about 2 cars, sounded like either he was complaining or he was impressed, not sure which.

Nevermind, i found it. He was complaining.

[enjaybel3]

Did anyone catch what Max said about the Ferrari at turn 1 on the radio? He said something about 2 cars, sounded like either he was complaining or he was impressed, not sure which.
He was complaining. We were on a slow lap and moved in front of 2 cars (1 was Max) on hot laps

[Gilles]

https://youtu.be/-zHd1HyXn8g

Charles 305 on the straight compared to Max's 310. Max was ahead before turn 4, but Charles clawed back the time through turn 4.

Charles was faster than Max through turn 9 and 10. Better traction than the Red Bull. Acceleration is also way better.

Thanks
On the straith :
Charles : 308km/h 10981rpm, curve apex 68km/h
Max : 311km/h 11042rpm, curve apex 65Km/h

I think Charles missed this first corner, Max accelerates much faster and passes the second at 146 km/h against 138

[FerrariF60]

He was complaining. We were on a slow lap and moved in front of 2 cars (1 was Max) on hot laps

i only hope that hes gonna see a LOT of our rear wing this season....same goes with 2 chains.

[scudieros]

He was complaining. We were on a slow lap and moved in front of 2 cars (1 was Max) on hot laps

:thumb

[faloupas]

Ferrari powered teams still in the bottom...i hope that the engine power deficit is not as big as last years...

[Gilles]

Ferrari powered teams still in the bottom...i hope that the engine power deficit is not as big as last years...

You're incredible!

[faloupas]

You're incredible:!

Yeah i know... :lol

[scudieros]

1.33.1 for Charles on mediums and very little porpoising

[458 Italia]

Brundle remarks that the Ferrari doesn't look to good for traction out of turn 4.

[elnano14]

Max's top speed is nearly 320kph on the main straight ? Low df or their engine turns up more than us ?

[tifosi1993]

This is just FP2, so I'm not getting carried over yet. But as I've said before, Ferrari haters and naysayers are in for a rude awaking when they finally turn up the power.

Certainly those 'aero experts' here who have dismissed the F1-75 by just lookin at it.

[subfire91]

1:33:1 with the C2 !!

those cars can get into 30's quite easily. maybe in the 29's on Q3 if they has C5s

[tifosi1993]

Charles is mighty in the twisty sections, the sector 2. He's 3 tenths ahead of Max and 5 tenths ahead of Carlos in that sector.

[elnano14]

Both Alfa on the top 10 with Medium tyre too wow

[KimiBot]

Both Alfa on the top 10 with Medium tyre too wow

Valtteri, it`s James, Lewis is behind you.

[scudieros]

that haas looks good with the ferrari engine.

[458 Italia]

Great that they've got Eduardo Freitas laying down the law now, hope it doesn't interfere with his WEC duties too much though.

[tifosi1993]

Sir 7 WDC is struggling. :rotfl

[WS6TransAm01]

Why is Hill being such a douche canoe in his commentary?

[tifosi1993]

Verstappen: 29.376 - 39.507 - 23.053 - 1:31.936 - 317

Charles: 29.454 - 39.445 - 23.087 - 1:32.023 - 311

Russell: 29.817 - 39.484 - 23.228 - 1:32.529 - 307

[tifosi1993]

Double quali sim for Carlos. 1:32.520 on a brand new set of softs.

[Grinsomx]

0.1 from pole in fp2, i guess it is time to focus on next year :roll

I hope this translates into a good start for 2022.

[stefa]

Valtteri, it`s James, Lewis is behind you.

:rotfl

[stefa]

0.1 from pole in fp2, i guess it is time to focus on next year :roll

I hope this translates into a good start for 2022.

You are joking right?

[Grinsomx]

You are joking right?

yes, i was joking.
we are looking good.

[stefa]

yes, i was joking.
we are looking good.

:thumb

[tifosi1993]

Alfa (Bottas) looks very good in the long run, clearly faster than all the other midfielders.

[gump1480]

Merc S2 is pretty damn good for a car which is struggling. I still don't believe that they will not fight for pole. I just hope Lec doesn't make his typical mistakes when pushed....coz Ves is going to be bloody quick here

[gump1480]

Alfa (Bottas) looks very good in the long run, clearly faster than all the other midfielders.

How is our pace vs Ves ?

[tifosi1993]

How is our pace vs Ves ?

Carlos: 1:38.499, 1:38.423, 1:38.407

Verstappen: 1:37.453, 1:37.494, 1:37.554

Charles: 1:37.169, 1:37.830

I'm not sure what's happening with Carlos. He's very slow.

[KimiBot]

Merc S2 is pretty damn good for a car which is struggling. I still don't believe that they will not fight for pole.

If that happens, I will shoot to my head, it is just too much Mercs.

[paneristi]

Valtteri, it`s James, Lewis is behind you. :lol :lol

[paneristi]

5 Ferrari powered cars in the top 10 constantly is a good sign. 6 Merc powered cars in the bottom half, that’s A VERY good sign

[scudieros]

Mick 8 and K Mag 10 and Bottas 6 as well, we have definitely made a good step with the engine.

[elnano14]

I think our engine is the best atm, but there is one thing I noticed: Max was so much faster on the straight (especially on the main straight), he was usually hit 317-318kph while our cars at best were around ~310kph. Is that due to the set up or the RBR have lower DF / lower drag than us ?

[tifosi1993]

https://i.imgur.com/AD0oHY6.jpg

[330 p4]

Mick 8 and K Mag 10 and Bottas 6 as well, we have definitely made a good step with the engine.

Shame Giovanazzi was replaced with Zhou, could maybe have all Ferrari engined cars in top 10 or there abouts. If Merc still struggling n qualifying and race it would be encouraging, ideally want them struggling 20 races into the season.

[tifosi1993]

I think our engine is the best atm, but there is one thing I noticed: Max was so much faster on the straight (especially on the main straight), he was usually hit 317-318kph while our cars at best were around ~310kph. Is that due to the set up or the RBR have lower DF / lower drag than us ?

Max on a higher engine mode. There's not way he's nearly 7 tenths faster than Perez in the sector 1 which has only 2 corners and 2 long straights.

Ferrari and Mercedes still haven't turned up their engine properly. I don't think Mercedes will be able to turn up the engine fully because of the bouncing.

[paneristi]

https://i.imgur.com/AD0oHY6.jpg
HAAS at 320:thumb

[scudieros]

https://i.imgur.com/AD0oHY6.jpg


I think our engine is the best atm, but there is one thing I noticed: Max was so much faster on the straight (especially on the main straight), he was usually hit 317-318kph while our cars at best were around ~310kph. Is that due to the set up or the RBR have lower DF / lower drag than us ?

we are not running quali engine maps yet, I'd think we'll be doing 320-330 during qualy.

[scudieros]

we also seem to be better in sector 2, and sectors 1 and 3 are mainly engine, so we are looking prettty solid. Just a matter of how much compared to red bull.

[jgonzalesm6]

Max on a higher engine mode. There's not way he's nearly 7 tenths faster than Perez in the sector 1 which has only 2 corners and 2 long straights.

Ferrari and Mercedes still haven't turned up their engine properly. I don't think Mercedes will be able to turn up the engine fully because of the bouncing.

Regarding engine modes, you know this information how again???

[tifosi1993]

Regarding engine modes, you know this information how again???

Your eyes aren't functioning? Are or your too angry to read cause my opinion of your precious Max running higher engine mode?

[nani_s23]

I think it will all come down to party mode come quali. As of now I see Max has the edge.
Interesting how will Ferrari respond to it. We have GIO at Sim, counting on him tomorrow for right set up.

[nani_s23]

If ferrari is quick, then max vs lec I was waiting for this battle since long.
Time to pay back.

[patrese86]

So Mercedes are handy round the corners but slow in the straight, still bouncing badly. Are they running more downforce and others running less to stop the bouncing?

[stefa]

Honestly, I am satusfied. There is room for improvement, but still nice work for Friday

[tifosi1993]

If ferrari is quick, then max vs lec I was waiting for this battle since long.
Time to pay back.

Yup, if Mad Max thinks he can play the same dirty tricks with Charles then he's in for a painful surprise.

[jgonzalesm6]

Your eyes aren't functioning? Are or your too angry to read cause my opinion of your precious Max running higher engine mode?

Negative. I just find it interesting that you and ONLY YOU can surmise that Max is supposedly (according to you) running on a higher engine mode than Perez because AGAIN according to you "There's no way he's nearly 7 tenths faster than Perez in the sector 1 which has only 2 corners and 2 long straights."

You're the only one talking about engine modes when NO ONE knows about what engine modes ANYONE is running except the teams.

Is it possible that Perez is running a higher fuel load than Max????

Is it also possible that Max is just outperforming Perez???

[PURE PASSION]

So Mercedes are handy round the corners but slow in the straight, still bouncing badly. Are they running more downforce and others running less to stop the bouncing?

They're saying that the mini- upgrades they brought here (bottom etc) doesn't work, so they will drop them.
There also rumors that they are even talking about returning to Barcelona spec and drop zero-pod concept because they can't find a way to make it work. But I really don't think they will go that far.

[PURE PASSION]

Negative. I just find it interesting that you and ONLY YOU can surmise that Max is supposedly (according to you) running on a higher engine mode than Perez because AGAIN according to you "There's no way he's nearly 7 tenths faster than Perez in the sector 1 which has only 2 corners and 2 long straights."

You're the only one talking about engine modes when NO ONE knows about what engine modes ANYONE is running except the teams.

Is it possible that Perez is running a higher fuel load than Max????

Is it also possible that Max is just outperforming Perez???

There some "whispers " that we actually have something more engine wise from Max-RedBull/Honda. But we will only figure it out tomorrow in Q3!!

[jgonzalesm6]

They're saying that the mini- upgrades they brought here (bottom etc) doesn't work, so they will drop them.
There also rumors that they are even talking about returning to Barcelona spec and drop zero-pod concept because they can't find a way to make it work. But I really don't think they will go that far.

Mercedes is in trouble IMO. Like I said earlier, they look bewildered. I did'nt think they would fix their porpoising issues in a week after testing.

[jgonzalesm6]

There some "whispers " that we actually have something more engine wise from Max-RedBull/Honda. But we will only figure it out tomorrow in Q3!!

EXACTLY!!!!.....BINGO!!!!!

[Aziz]

At worst I believe we are the second fastest team behind RB, which I don't like at all

[jgonzalesm6]

At worst I believe we are the second fastest team behind RB, which I don't like at all

That's what the pundits are saying, but we won't know for sure until tomorrow during Qualifying.

I really really hope either Leclerc or Sainz pulls ahead of Max for the P1 position.......but I remain reserved.

[PURE PASSION]

If you ask me it's pretty close and as it is now it really looks like Max VS Lec. I'm not at all confident that we will come on top .Max is also there and he also seems to put very good laps at ease qualy and race mode !!!! Right now I think that Max will be P1 for 0,1/0,2. But if we actually have a bit more from the engine (more from Honda) then it could turn the order and Lec take P1.
It's a bit encouraging that we came this close with pretty much the launch spec. And according to Binotto we have focus on in season developments . So this is pretty good!!!

[patrese86]

Hamilton top speed was 289kph. They are still sandbagging and they are absolutely pathetic for it.

[faloupas]

Some conclusions
1.We dont know engine modes or fuel loads
2.Ferrari and Red Bull the most easy cars to drive
3.Ferrari powered cars are up there so thats something quite encouraging.
4.Mercedes looks to struggle in real.
5.Porpoising is still there for everybody.
6.It looks quite difficult for Mclaren and Aston Martin,quite well for Alpha Tauri and Alpine.

[Aziz]

Hamilton top speed was 289kph. They are still sandbagging and they are absolutely pathetic for it.

Maybe they can not/will not go faster because of the proposing issues

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari have more up there sleeve 100% no need to show off just yet,yes definitely a red bull vs ferrari sandwich coming it called a Charles and sainz combo with fries.

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton top speed was 289kph. They are still sandbagging and they are absolutely pathetic for it.

This is my opinion but if they went any faster, the porpoising affect gets exacerbated even further.....so the W13 is limited on top speed down the straights.

Mercedes will eventually figure this out in 2 to 3 races.

[patrese86]

Maybe they can not/will not go faster because of the proposing issues

Russell got 307 though. Only a few kph away from us

[jgonzalesm6]

Maybe they can not/will not go faster because of the proposing issues

agreed.

[jgonzalesm6]

Russell got 307 though. Only a few kph away from us

Maybe he's on higher engine mode............:roll :roll :roll

[aroutis]

Hamilton top speed was 289kph. They are still sandbagging and they are absolutely pathetic for it.There is no reason at this point for sandbagging.
They are actively trying to find a set up that works for him and fails. If everything else fails they will have to resort into giving him the setup George has found , that is if that setup is better than the one he has at this point.

[aroutis]

Hamilton top speed was 289kph. They are still sandbagging and they are absolutely pathetic for it.There is no reason at this point for sandbagging.
They are actively trying to find a set up that works for him and fails. If everything else fails they will have to resort into giving him the setup George has found , that is if that setup is better than the one he has at this point.

[jgonzalesm6]

There is no reason at this point for sandbagging.
They are actively trying to find a set up that works for him and fails. If everything else fails they will have to resort into giving him the setup George has found , that is if that setup is better than the one he has at this point.

+1.......good point.

[paneristi]

That's what the pundits are saying, but we won't know for sure until tomorrow during Qualifying.

I really really hope either Leclerc or Sainz pulls ahead of Max for the P1 position.......but I remain reserved.
We won’t know until the real race(s) IMO.
And those ‘pundits’ who previously praised Merc’s design so much and how ‘strange’ our cars are, turn out to be not-so expert in analyzing our aero design.

[jgonzalesm6]

We won’t know until the real race(s) IMO.
And those ‘pundits’ who previously praised Merc’s design so much and how ‘strange’ our cars are, turn out to be not-so expert in analyzing our aero design.

Agreed, qualifying is one thing but race pace is completely different.

These pundits or so called "experts" are riding the Mercedes/Lewis bandwagon. ALL have been sucking that pacifier for the last 8 years.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari have more up there sleeve 100% no need to show off just yet,yes definitely a red bull vs ferrari sandwich coming it called a Charles and sainz combo with fries.

I'm hungry now.....going to get something to eat. Nice post btw and I hope your right.

[tifosi1993]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJNS2DXEAIg-LZ?format=jpg&name=orig
https://i.imgur.com/Lz6AEhb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QScCYqy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iXmGOhr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NbrwMUm.jpg

[FerrariF60]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJNS2DXEAIg-LZ?format=jpg&name=orig
https://i.imgur.com/Lz6AEhb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QScCYqy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iXmGOhr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NbrwMUm.jpg

thx for the pictures.....our car is so darn beautiful.....and fast i might say....
we'll see how quick it goes tomrrow in Q3 when when we crank up the PARTY MODE....

[Gilles]

We won’t know until the real race(s) IMO.
And those ‘pundits’ who previously praised Merc’s design so much and how ‘strange’ our cars are, turn out to be not-so expert in analyzing our aero design.

In analysing anything

[wisepie]

Very encouraging FP1/2 for both drivers and the F1-75 looks to be pretty promising, but despite the coloured line on the front wheel shields (white for Charles/yellow for Carlos), I still wish we could have the white numbers back, the darker matt red and black numbers makes it harder to identify them on track. Hope the rest of the weekend goes our way.:pray

[subfire91]

Negative. I just find it interesting that you and ONLY YOU can surmise that Max is supposedly (according to you) running on a higher engine mode than Perez because AGAIN according to you "There's no way he's nearly 7 tenths faster than Perez in the sector 1 which has only 2 corners and 2 long straights."

You're the only one talking about engine modes when NO ONE knows about what engine modes ANYONE is running except the teams.

Is it possible that Perez is running a higher fuel load than Max????

Is it also possible that Max is just outperforming Perez???

to my humble opinion i am considering 4 scenarios:

1) they have a more powerful engine
2) they have less drag
3) we are indeed running in a lower engine mode as mentioned on the above posts
4) i have read somewhere that they managed drop some kg from the car since Bahrain test so there is the possibility they are just lighter

point 1 will be worrying, point 3 will be encouraging, points 2 and 4 i wont worry too much, as they are relatively an "easier" fix.

in order to check the engines we have to access to GPS data from each one's Q3 fastest lap. more details will emerge coming into the first 4-5 races mark, so anything said at this point is just hypothetical.

[Gilles]

As already said, they are clowns. They are clowns, supporting arguments, but when the deal changes, they are naked. As already said, they will now explain to us with cheek the opposite of what they said before. As long as we're dumb enough to give them importance, they'll keep their place under the sun.
it almost makes me want to put the sound back on sky for the next race, just to hear some of them sink into their stupidity

[jgonzalesm6]

to my humble opinion i am considering 4 scenarios:

1) they have a more powerful engine
2) they have less drag
3) we are indeed running in a lower engine mode as mentioned on the above posts
4) i have read somewhere that they managed drop some kg from the car since Bahrain test so there is the possibility they are just lighter

point 1 will be worrying, point 3 will be encouraging, points 2 and 4 i wont worry too much, as they are relatively an "easier" fix.

in order to check the engines we have to access to GPS data from each one's Q3 fastest lap. more details will emerge coming into the first 4-5 races mark, so anything said at this point is just hypothetical.

Understood and great post. You are correct on post 4 but I honestly don't know how many kg they dropped from tests to Bahrain to make a comparison but you are correct that they are lighter.

RedBull have also introduced a suspension to counter the porpoising effect and both Max and Checo have these suspesions on their cars currently.

[PURE PASSION]

7988

As i said , looks like Max is in front ,both qualy and race pace.BUT Lec is very close behind and if tomorrow we can make (from engine,bit better set up?) a small step forward compare to Max, then he will be on top again both qualy and the race.
According to both Lec and Binnoto ,indeed we have some pace reserved , the question is how much is this compare to RedBulls

[Kyss4k]

Does anyone use F1TV Pro to watch the F1? I just finished the practices (had to stay late at work) and there was just an official F1 comentary with no option to chose SkyF1 which was the comentary used in recent years. Is there a way or did they drop it? I am freaking furios right now.

[Grimlock]

Does anyone use F1TV Pro to watch the F1? I just finished the practices (had to stay late at work) and there was just an official F1 comentary with no option to chose SkyF1 which was the comentary used in recent years. Is there a way or did they drop it? I am freaking furios right now.

I use F1TV Pro, it defaults to their own commentary, they seem to have dropped the pit lane channel. Sky is under the international coverage option, there are buttons on the right hand side you want to pick the 2nd from the top for Sky.7989

[tpe]

Qualifying is important.
But race pace is even more important as is tyre degradation.
So, a front row start is great but it's only that, a start. So, let's see.
I am cautiously optimistic

[Kyss4k]

I use F1TV Pro, it defaults to their own commentary, they seem to have dropped the pit lane channel. Sky is under the international coverage option, there are buttons on the right hand side you want to pick the 2nd from the top for Sky.

Holy moly thaaanks! I had a 30 minutes chat with an F1 support and they wanted my IP adress, tried to get me to reinstall my browser, remove all VPNs (even though I don't use one) but newer tried to tell me this was an option :D Thanks again, have a cookie.

[Grimlock]

Holy moly thaaanks! I had a 30 minutes chat with an F1 support and they wanted my IP adress, tried to get me to reinstall my browser, remove all VPNs (even though I don't use one) but newer tried to tell me this was an option :D Thanks again, have a cookie.

Hehe, tech support not knowing their own interface ... ah F1 TV is professional as always. Cheers!

[elnano14]

I heard the reason Lewis's top speed was only 298kph because his DRS was damaged

[PURE PASSION]

Maybe things are a bit worse from what ot looks !!!:-s

Verstappen vs Leclerc | Telemetry Comparison:
In FP2 Red Bull stepped up: 0.087 on their main rivals, gains in sector 1 and sector 3. Looking at the sector times you may think that the RB18 gains time on the straight, but it is the opposite surprisingly: Verstappen makes most of his time up in the corners, while Leclerc eats up that advantage down the straights, especially in the acceleration zones. The feeling is that the RB18 is the better car (also looking at race pace), and Ferrari are maybe a bit further away than what Leclerc showed.
Hamilton 'proved' my point: he thinks Red Bull are about 0.8/0.9s in front of Mercedes, with Ferrari "at least 0.5s ahead". My guess would be that between the Ferrari and the Red Bull there were 0.2/0.3s today, we'll see tomorrow

[Tony]

7988

As i said , looks like Max is in front ,both qualy and race pace.BUT Lec is very close behind and if tomorrow we can make (from engine,bit better set up?) a small step forward compare to Max, then he will be on top again both qualy and the race.
According to both Lec and Binnoto ,indeed we have some pace reserved , the question is how much is this compare to RedBulls

I can't make heads or tales of that table, but it seems the guy on Twitter that presented this information seems to think the Red Bull is quicker in race pace?

[FerrariF60]

after we unload the sand bags and turn up the wick in Q3 tomorrow, itll be a Ferrari 1-2

[Redfive]

I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeally trying not to get excited. I know if I get excited then Merc will drop the sandbags and beat us, so I'm trying to remain totally calm until lights out on Sunday. but it's not easy

[Aziz]

Maybe things are a bit worse from what ot looks !!!:-s

Would be such a shame that we end up 0.3-0.4 from RB after we spent two years developing this car while they developed last year car till the last race

[subfire91]

Understood and great post. You are correct on post 4 but I honestly don't know how many kg they dropped from tests to Bahrain to make a comparison but you are correct that they are lighter.

RedBull have also introduced a suspension to counter the porpoising effect and both Max and Checo have these suspesions on their cars currently.

if they managed just 2-3 kg is easily the difference between charles and max


Maybe things are a bit worse from what ot looks !!!:-s

dont forget that they heavily updated they ca r so far. we basically did nothing just did minor mods on the floor and diffuser and a connecting rod. no revised sidepods no revised floors and no suspension revisions. we are almost vanilla. if its .2s atm i will take it!!! on the assumption we will introduce significant updates quickly and effectively.

ps: if haas can do 320 on the straight my opinion is we easily can do 325 on Q3

[FerrariF60]

Would be such a shame that we end up 0.3-0.4 from RB after we spent two years developing this car while they developed last year car till the last race

i'm pretty sure they TOO spent the last 2 years developing the car just like we did
dont think for a sec that them developing last years car dropped the ball on this years

[FerrariF60]

if they managed just 2-3 kg is easily the difference between charles and max



dont forget that they heavily updated they ca r so far. we basically did nothing just did minor mods on the floor and diffuser and a connecting rod. no revised sidepods no revised floors and no suspension revisions. we are almost vanilla. if its .2s atm i will take it!!! on the assumption we will introduce significant updates quickly and effectively.

ps: if haas can do 320 on the straight my opinion is we easily can do 325 on Q3

EXACTLY......

[faloupas]

Would be such a shame that we end up 0.3-0.4 from RB after we spent two years developing this car while they developed last year car till the last race

+1

We are Ferrari ,we expect to be in front...always...if we are not then there is a problem!You just cannot support Ferrari and any other legendary team in any kind of sports and not expect winning!!

[Ferrarichamp]

Maybe Max will be fastest in Bahrain, but that doesn't mean RB will be quickest everywhere. If we don't win, we might still get a double podium, which would be a decent start for the constructor's title.

[stefa]

Maybe Max will be fastest in Bahrain, but that doesn't mean RB will be quickest everywhere. If we don't win, we might still get a double podium, which would be a decent start for the constructor's title.

Exactly !!!

[tifosi1993]

It's race sim, not the actual race pace. After today's positive run, you'd atleast expect to see some positivity here. But it's always the same doom and gloom.

[FerrariF60]

Maybe Max will be fastest in Bahrain, but that doesn't mean RB will be quickest everywhere. If we don't win, we might still get a double podium, which would be a decent start for the constructor's title.

YEAH, to me the constructor's title is worth more then teh WDC....but that's just my opinion i guess

[FerrariF60]

It's race sim, not the actual race pace. After today's positive run, you'd atleast expect to see some positivity here. But it's always the same doom and gloom.

yeah, no doubt....the fans on this forum are NEVER satisfied.....lol

[SS454]

Exciting to see F1 cars running around during a GP weekend. Through testing, I only got to see highlights.

Ferrari do look good, one of the easiest cars to drive which I think will be a strong point during the races.
Charles Leclerc really seems like he is gelling with the F1-75. It would make sense that Ferrari designed this car around Charles much more than Carlos.
Ferrari's front wing flexes a lot, you can see it at the flap adjuster. I expect Mercedes or RBR to lodge a complaint soon enough.
Ferrari power might actually be very potent. Haas and Alfa Romeo are also looking quite strong.
Haas appear MUCH better than I expected, which I hope is the case.
Alfa Romeo may be quick, but I think they will be lucky not to double DNF without being incredibly conservative during the race.
Red Bull indeed look very strong. It would seem they were either running a higher engine mode, or the car has much better drag at the top end. 317 kph to Ferrari's 311.
Verstappen once again looks like he's in a league of his own in terms of what he can get out of his car. Perez way off in comparison.
Mercedes looks pretty awful. The porpoising problem is dreadful and they seem to be throwing every part and the kitchen sink at it to resolve it. I suspect the car is fast, but a car that sensitive is going to be a handful over a race.
I honestly expect George Russell to outperform Lewis. He has been driving a junk car for years, while Lewis has had the luxury of the easiest and best car for 8 years.
Hamilton's helmet looks amazing! I love the color.
Alpine might be stronger than I expected, which is wonderful. Would love to see Alonso have a car capable of being in some fights for the podium.
Aston Martin still looks like trash, and I really hope Hulk beats Stroll.
Williams back at bottom? If so, that's rough.
I hate to say it, but I think the idea of 3 or 4 teams being capable of winning is very doubtful. Either Red Bull and Ferrari will have a close fight, or Red Bull (just Max) is going to blow everyone away. Then Ferrari will likely have a big gap to Mercedes, who will probably have a big gap to the 4th best team.


Skysport coverage. I really hate to think they got rid of Button and Rosberg to bring in some nobody. Not sure who the new girl is, never heard of her. It's not that she's bad, she just doesn't have the drivers analyst side that a former F1 driver has. The one driver they do have is that pompous idiot in Damon Hill. I swear he gets a hard on with any mention of Hamilton or George, and yet looks to make Red Bull and Max as the evil villains any chance he gets. It's actually quite comical how Christian Horner and Hill react to each other.

[Greig]

So because Charles is looking more at home in a new era after 2 practice sessions it means the car is designed around him?

Also Jenson and Nico etc were never full time at Sky and they will probably still be around through the year.

[FerrariF60]

So because Charles is looking more at home in a new era after 2 practice sessions it means the car is designed around him?

according to our aero specialist SS454 thats the way it is......lmao

[paolo lalli]

Forget all this mercedes talk,as I have said before they have major issues with current spec,with budget caps now in play the issue is no easy fix.Mercedes will be lucky to be in top 8 teams come quali any thing better than that would astound me,this race is a ferrari vs redbull slug fest.I expect an organisation like mercedes to come back somewhat in the next month or so.Expect the unexpected.

[SS454]

So because Charles is looking more at home in a new era after 2 practice sessions it means the car is designed around him?

No. Because it didn't take long for Ferrari to invest in a future with Charles. Since the design of the 2022 car started a couple years ago, long before Carlos joined the team, it makes sense that the car is designed more around Charles. Even going forward, it would make sense for Ferrari to develop the car more towards Charles' liking, since everyone seems to believe he's one of the elite drivers on the grid.

[Greig]

No. Because it didn't take long for Ferrari to invest in a future with Charles. Since the design of the 2022 car started a couple years ago, long before Carlos joined the team, it makes sense that the car is designed more around Charles. Even going forward, it would make sense for Ferrari to develop the car more towards Charles' liking, since everyone seems to believe he's one of the elite drivers on the grid.

I believe we only got it on the simulator last year....also last year we heard many rumours that Sainz was leading the development of the car...

[jgonzalesm6]

Maybe things are a bit worse from what ot looks !!!:-s


I can't make heads or tales of that table, but it seems the guy on Twitter that presented this information seems to think the Red Bull is quicker in race pace?


Would be such a shame that we end up 0.3-0.4 from RB after we spent two years developing this car while they developed last year car till the last race


if they managed just 2-3 kg is easily the difference between charles and max



dont forget that they heavily updated they ca r so far. we basically did nothing just did minor mods on the floor and diffuser and a connecting rod. no revised sidepods no revised floors and no suspension revisions. we are almost vanilla. if its .2s atm i will take it!!! on the assumption we will introduce significant updates quickly and effectively.

ps: if haas can do 320 on the straight my opinion is we easily can do 325 on Q3


EXACTLY......


+1

We are Ferrari ,we expect to be in front...always...if we are not then there is a problem!You just cannot support Ferrari and any other legendary team in any kind of sports and not expect winning!!

Guys, this is all speculation and hypotheticals. Just wait for quali and the race to see where EVERYONE stands in this one Grand Prix.

[SS454]

I believe we only got it on the simulator last year....also last year we heard many rumors that Sainz was leading the development of the car...

I'm sure you can understand that they had to have a complete design to put in the simulator. Typically a team starts working on the next year's car in March or April. Just from this strategy they would have very little input from Carlos to apply in a new car. With the budget cap and rule changes, Ferrari almost certainly started their 2022 program much earlier.

But keep looking for a point to argue I guess.

[Tifoso Svedese]

It looks like we have a great chance at winning the constructors' if we can keep our heads above the water (Pérez and the Mercedes cars).

Hard to say what the Verstappen-Leclerc state of affairs actually is though.

[Greig]

I'm sure you can understand that they had to have a complete design to put in the simulator. Typically a team starts working on the next year's car in March or April. Just from this strategy they would have very little input from Carlos to apply in a new car. With the budget cap and rule changes, Ferrari almost certainly started their 2022 program much earlier.

But keep looking for a point to argue I guess.

This car was meant to be 2021....still does not mean its designed around Charles considering all the rules that needed to be sorted out etc....as for a complete design for the simulator...well maybe not they can just use any model and programme in expected aero/engine/tyres etc it does not need to be a completed model. Then we also consider our poor simulator to track record and the fact we just got an all new simulator to try and make things better when Carlos was already at the team....then we can also look at Charles saying he had not even been in the new simulator (December 21).....I could go on but not much point....

Maybe you can tell by looking at it that it's designed for Charles I guess, just another of your throwaway comments that holds no weight....

[Gilles]

Guys, this is all speculation and hypotheticals. Just wait for quali and the race to see where EVERYONE stands in this one Grand Prix.

Obviously, these are speculations, but I like the quality of many of them. It's interesting and it leads to constructive exchanges. We will complain ?

[SS454]

This car was meant to be 2021....still does not mean its designed around Charles considering all the rules that needed to be sorted out etc....as for a complete design for the simulator...well maybe not they can just use any model and programme in expected aero/engine/tyres etc it does not need to be a completed model.

Maybe you can tell by looking at it that it's designed for Charles I guess, just another of your throwaway comments that holds no weight....

I forgot that the cars were to be for 2021, makes it even more likely to be designed around Charles than Carlos.

I have to assume you know that cars get designed around a driver, which is why drive input is so important. Schumacher with Ferrari, Vettel with his Red Bulls, Verstappen with Red Bull now. This isn't some revelation that nobody knows about. You just want to argue, which is all you do.

So what happens if Leclerc mops the floor with Sainz? So far he's looked pretty strong and comfortable. Sainz comes in 2021 and not only holds his own against Charles, but ends up finishing ahead in the standings. So he has proven capable.

You want to talk about throwaway comments, all you do is bring argumentative posts.

[Gilles]

This car was meant to be 2021....still does not mean its designed around Charles considering all the rules that needed to be sorted out etc....as for a complete design for the simulator...well maybe not they can just use any model and programme in expected aero/engine/tyres etc it does not need to be a completed model. Then we also consider our poor simulator to track record and the fact we just got an all new simulator to try and make things better when Carlos was already at the team....then we can also look at Charles saying he had not even been in the new simulator (December 21).....I could go on but not much point....

Maybe you can tell by looking at it that it's designed for Charles I guess, just another of your throwaway comments that holds no weight....

I agree with you on this point

[Greig]

I forgot that the cars were to be for 2021, makes it even more likely to be designed around Charles than Carlos.

I have to assume you know that cars get designed around a driver, which is why drive input is so important. Schumacher with Ferrari, Vettel with his Red Bulls, Verstappen with Red Bull now. This isn't some revelation that nobody knows about. You just want to argue, which is all you do.

So what happens if Leclerc mops the floor with Sainz? So far he's looked pretty strong and comfortable. Sainz comes in 2021 and not only holds his own against Charles, but ends up finishing ahead in the standings. So he has proven capable.

You want to talk about throwaway comments, all you do is bring argumentative posts.

How do you design a car around a driver who has not even tried it in the simulator? Sure you might well go down a development route that suits one driver but not at the design stage. What design features do you see that suit Charles and not Carlos?

The days of Schumacher pounding round Fiorano are long gone so not even close to being relevant to today's F1.

[SS454]

How do you design a car around a driver who has not even tried it in the simulator? Sure you might well go down a development route that suits one driver but not at the design stage. What design features do you see that suit Charles and not Carlos?

The days of Schumacher pounding round Fiorano are long gone so not even close to being relevant to today's F1.

"Hey Charles, how's the balance?" "What would you like to change?"

Yup, seem impossible.

Schumacher giving his input from lapping around Fiorano, can't be replicated in today's F1?

"Hey Max, how's the balance?" "What would you like to change?"

I don't know how drivers and teams work with each other anymore.

[Gilles]

I forgot that the cars were to be for 2021, makes it even more likely to be designed around Charles than Carlos.

I have to assume you know that cars get designed around a driver, which is why drive input is so important. Schumacher with Ferrari, Vettel with his Red Bulls, Verstappen with Red Bull now. This isn't some revelation that nobody knows about. You just want to argue, which is all you do.

So what happens if Leclerc mops the floor with Sainz? So far he's looked pretty strong and comfortable. Sainz comes in 2021 and not only holds his own against Charles, but ends up finishing ahead in the standings. So he has proven capable.

You want to talk about throwaway comments, all you do is bring argumentative posts.

I think Charles is just more confortable with the car for now. These cars runs differently from the previous ones, the drivers have to adapt themself to it. It seems Perez and Hamilton are struggling too right now. In Ferrari's case, i think Leclerc is just a very talented driver, as Max is

[Greig]

"Hey Charles, how's the balance?" "What would you like to change?"

Yup, seem impossible.

Schumacher giving his input from lapping around Fiorano, can't be replicated in today's F1?

"Hey Max, how's the balance?" "What would you like to change?"

I don't know how drivers and teams work with each other anymore.

So your saying a setup change is developing a car round the driver? Come on.....

Charles had not even been in the simulator December 21, so again how did they design this car around him when he did not even test it in the simulator?

Maybe just maybe they designed the car to be as fast as possible.....like most teams do.

[Gilles]

"Hey Charles, how's the balance?" "What would you like to change?"

Yup, seem impossible.

Schumacher giving his input from lapping around Fiorano, can't be replicated in today's F1?

"Hey Max, how's the balance?" "What would you like to change?"

I don't know how drivers and teams work with each other anymore.

Also the cars are understeer typed this year, this might suit more Carlos drive than Charles' one, don't you think?

[jgonzalesm6]

I think Charles is just more confortable with the car for now. These cars runs differently from the previous ones, the drivers have to adapt themself to it. It seems Perez and Hamilton are dtruggling too right now. In Ferrari's case, i think Leclerc is just a very talented driver, as Max is

You hit on a key word—>adapt

Alonso can adapt to the changes.

Vetted CANNOT adapt to the changes.

Ricciardo CANNOT adapt to the changes.

Norris can adapt.

Gasly can adapt.

Leclerc can adapt.

Sainz can adapt.

Max can adapt.

[SS454]

So your saying a setup change is developing a car round the driver? Come on.....

Charles had not even been in the simulator December 21, so again how did they design this car around him when he did not even test it in the simulator?

Maybe just maybe they designed the car to be as fast as possible.....like most teams do.

If you really want to believe it's impossible that Ferrari listened to the input that Leclerc said during his first 2 seasons. A phenom driver they let drive in 2019, signed big multi year deals with, invested in the future together. It's impossible that they designed a brand new car under brand new regs with his driving style in mind? A strategy teams have been doing for decades. If you don't want to believe that is possible, then whatever.

I believe it is plausible, and I think that's why Charles appears to have gotten a handle on the car quite quickly. Why this hurts you so much and you feel this really is a topic for debate is beyond me.

[SS454]

Also the cars are understeer typed this year, this might suit more Carlos drive than Charles' one, don't you think?

I think the car gets designed around the #1 driver's style where possible. It makes sense to me if the current car suits Charles' more than Carlos because of this. I don't think Sainz's style is that much different, or he's just very good at adapting because he was on the pace right away with Ferrari against Leclerc in 2021.

To me it would be silly for a team to design a car every year and just hope the drivers can figure it out. There are certain fundamental characteristics with a car under a specific rule set that drivers have to adapt to, but a design can still be influenced towards a drivers preference.

Either Max Verstappen is legit 0.5+ seconds faster than everyone, or since Ricciardo left the car has been designed specifically to his liking and every year he has a massive gap over his teammates.

[Gilles]

I think the car gets designed around the #1 driver's style where possible. It makes sense to me if the current car suits Charles' more than Carlos because of this. I don't think Sainz's style is that much different, or he's just very good at adapting because he was on the pace right away with Ferrari against Leclerc in 2021.

To me it would be silly for a team to design a car every year and just hope the drivers can figure it out. There are certain fundamental characteristics with a car under a specific rule set that drivers have to adapt to, but a design can still be influenced towards a drivers preference.

Either Max Verstappen is legit 0.5+ seconds faster than everyone, or since Ricciardo left the car has been designed specifically to his liking and every year he has a massive gap over his teammates.

I agree with you that Ferrari may have tried to design the car primarily around Charles, but under these new rules, which don't seem to be in favor of his driving, I wonder if that can explain the gap we have seen these days. Remember that he likes more oversteer than Carlos

[Greig]

I think the car gets designed around the #1 driver's style where possible. It makes sense to me if the current car suits Charles' more than Carlos because of this. I don't think Sainz's style is that much different, or he's just very good at adapting because he was on the pace right away with Ferrari against Leclerc in 2021.

To me it would be silly for a team to design a car every year and just hope the drivers can figure it out. There are certain fundamental characteristics with a car under a specific rule set that drivers have to adapt to, but a design can still be influenced towards a drivers preference.

Either Max Verstappen is legit 0.5+ seconds faster than everyone, or since Ricciardo left the car has been designed specifically to his liking and every year he has a massive gap over his teammates.

Ah so any driver who is quicker than his team mate = car designed for them...got it now :-D

How about last years pretty strong rumours Ferrari developed the car towards Sainz?

[Greig]

If you really want to believe it's impossible that Ferrari listened to the input that Leclerc said during his first 2 seasons. A phenom driver they let drive in 2019, signed big multi year deals with, invested in the future together. It's impossible that they designed a brand new car under brand new regs with his driving style in mind? A strategy teams have been doing for decades. If you don't want to believe that is possible, then whatever.

I believe it is plausible, and I think that's why Charles appears to have gotten a handle on the car quite quickly. Why this hurts you so much and you feel this really is a topic for debate is beyond me.

Ferrari design team:

Plan A - Car is super fast but Charles might not suit it
Plan B - Car is slower but will suit Charles more

You want to tell us they would take plan B? Don't be silly car is designed to be as fast as possible then the drivers can work it out.

Ok so let's hear what design features are on the car that suit Charles more than Carlos?

[Alonsomaniac]

There is another possibility, and I thought of it because I too don't believe in Ferrari designing a car around Charles. The possibility I am talking about is talent. The last few years we had a car that was okay, but not more than that. We saw a fast Charles, but also a Charles who made mistakes. Carlos did make less mistakes, was not quite as fast as Charles but finished the season ahead of him because he scored good points in the races Charles did not finish.
Why did Charles make these mistakes? Maybe because he was faster than the car. He wanted more than the car could give him so he sometimes went over the car's limits. Carlos did not do that. Why not? Maybe the car's maximum was also somewhat his maximum?
Now we have a better, and surely faster car. Charles has the talent to push also this car to the limit, but the car lets him do that. Carlos on the other hand does not have the speed Charles has and can't get the full maximum out of this car.
The better the car is, the better the driver performs. And if the car is very good, the fastest driver will surface - Charles.

It's just a theory and I could be wrong. We will see.

[enjaybel3]

Pretty good result. 1 tenth separating us from RB at the end of FP2 is insignificant IMO.

Personally I think it's unrealistic to believe teams sandbag at a race event. They have so much to do and so little time they can't afford to.

Obviously Merc are having problems, a little more severe than most teams on the porpoising. Plus they are having some specific problem with Hamilton's car, but they will resolve it - it is just a matter of when.

Teams can't afford to run Q party modes too much because they will effect engine life and engines have to last for many race events.

We are in the hunt. The team has delivered a car close enough to the pointy end of the pack to give our drivers the chance to make the difference.

[ntukza]

Mercedes is in trouble IMO. Like I said earlier, they look bewildered. I did'nt think they would fix their porpoising issues in a week after testing.

You hit the nail on the head my friend!

[ntukza]

At worst I believe we are the second fastest team behind RB, which I don't like at all

That wouldn't be too bad since
1. We wouldn't be too far behind, and
2. They have introduced a major update since Barcelona, we haven't yet.

[ntukza]

i'm pretty sure they TOO spent the last 2 years developing the car just like we did
dont think for a sec that them developing last years car dropped the ball on this years

Exactly. It's naive to think teams like RB and Merc would compromise development on an all-new-regulations car knowing very well that other teams like Ferrari are focusing on it almost exclusively. RB and Merc's in-season upgrades were minor. I'm sure they hardly put a strain on their 2022 work.

[Cavallino]

There is another possibility, and I thought of it because I too don't believe in Ferrari designing a car around Charles. The possibility I am talking about is talent. The last few years we had a car that was okay, but not more than that. We saw a fast Charles, but also a Charles who made mistakes. Carlos did make less mistakes, was not quite as fast as Charles but finished the season ahead of him because he scored good points in the races Charles did not finish.
Why did Charles make these mistakes? Maybe because he was faster than the car. He wanted more than the car could give him so he sometimes went over the car's limits. Carlos did not do that. Why not? Maybe the car's maximum was also somewhat his maximum?
Now we have a better, and surely faster car. Charles has the talent to push also this car to the limit, but the car lets him do that. Carlos on the other hand does not have the speed Charles has and can't get the full maximum out of this car.
The better the car is, the better the driver performs. And if the car is very good, the fastest driver will surface - Charles.

It's just a theory and I could be wrong. We will see.

I think the past 2 seasons, Leclerc had nothing to lose, so you saw him take more chances to try to get the one off good result.

Hopefully he realizes he has the car and it's a long season.

But if Max tries one of his kamakaze moves, I want Leclerc to hold his ground, and I think he will.

[Cavallino]

Leclerc had half a second in hand on the mediums, and he set that time on old soft tyres... was that to help hide the pace of the car?

[nani_s23]

#AMus : RB was heavier than Ferrari and has more power in reserve to further extend their advantage.


My opinion RB/Ferrari/Mercs haven’t turned up their engines yet. Haas & Alfa R might have tried low fuel run.

[Cavallino]

#AMus : RB was heavier than Ferrari and has more power in reserve to further extend their advantage.


My opinion RB/Ferrari/Mercs haven’t turned up their engines yet. Haas & Alfa R might have tried low fuel run.

that's my gut too, since Leclerc went for more laps on the softs.

i don't think anyone knows anything,

Verstappen is gaining in the slow corners now, yet that was supposedly the Ferrari strength. Honda have more power in hand, yet they were already fastest on the straight.

Mercedes is slow on the straight because if they go any faster they bounce? Could the same be true for the Ferrari?


I tell you what though, I'll be very angry if Red Bull is fastest, especially if it is all engine, after they cried for an engine freeze after they heard that Honda was leaving.

[paneristi]

Maybe Max will be fastest in Bahrain, but that doesn't mean RB will be quickest everywhere. If we don't win, we might still get a double podium, which would be a decent start for the constructor's title.

https://www.carlossainz.es/en/carlos-sainz-free-practice-bahrain-gp-f1-2022.html

[gump1480]

If the RB have more engine in reserve and heavier than us, yet higher top speeds on straight and faster in the corners of S2, then the game is pretty much over for us in Bahrain. But my heart says that Ferrari and LEC may still have more in reserve. Everything will be clear in Q3.

[Cavallino]

If the RB have more engine in reserve and heavier than us, yet higher top speeds on straight and faster in the corners of S2, then the game is pretty much over for us in Bahrain. But my heart says that Ferrari and LEC may still have more in reserve. Everything will be clear in Q3.

I just find it hard to believe that we would be slower on top speed than max and the Haas, and still be slower in the corners.

I get it, acceleration!=topspeed , but it would mean we went with a high downforce setup, and still can't match their cornering speed. I don't think i'm buying it.

[paneristi]

I just find it hard to believe that we would be slower on top speed than max and the Haas, and still be slower in the corners.

I get it, acceleration!=topspeed , but it would mean we went with a high downforce setup, and still can't match their cornering speed. I don't think i'm buying it.
Let’s Leave it to the experts at Ferrari garage. They should know better than us.

[nani_s23]

Let’s Leave it to the experts at Ferrari garage. They should know better than us.

Yup agree. I don’t want to see this Max running away just like Mercs in previous year.

Lec vs Max vs Carlos will be epic battle…..

[ntukza]

There is another possibility, and I thought of it because I too don't believe in Ferrari designing a car around Charles. The possibility I am talking about is talent. The last few years we had a car that was okay, but not more than that. We saw a fast Charles, but also a Charles who made mistakes. Carlos did make less mistakes, was not quite as fast as Charles but finished the season ahead of him because he scored good points in the races Charles did not finish.
Why did Charles make these mistakes? Maybe because he was faster than the car. He wanted more than the car could give him so he sometimes went over the car's limits. Carlos did not do that. Why not? Maybe the car's maximum was also somewhat his maximum?
Now we have a better, and surely faster car. Charles has the talent to push also this car to the limit, but the car lets him do that. Carlos on the other hand does not have the speed Charles has and can't get the full maximum out of this car.
The better the car is, the better the driver performs. And if the car is very good, the fastest driver will surface - Charles.

It's just a theory and I could be wrong. We will see.

Without vouching for any side of the argument, I must say I like the statement in bold.

[ferras]

Experts: the pace of the top teams should be closer, because Verstappen did his race sim with less fuel load.

[ntukza]

that's my gut too, since Leclerc went for more laps on the softs.

i don't think anyone knows anything,

Verstappen is gaining in the slow corners now, yet that was supposedly the Ferrari strength. Honda have more power in hand, yet they were already fastest on the straight.

Mercedes is slow on the straight because if they go any faster they bounce? Could the same be true for the Ferrari?


I tell you what though, I'll be very angry if Red Bull is fastest, especially if it is all engine , after they cried for an engine freeze after they heard that Honda was leaving.

My understanding is we still have an engine part to update - the part we updated late last year.

[nani_s23]

My understanding is we still have an engine part to update - the part we updated late last year.

Yes we have that advantage. Ferrari can still produce engine update

[stefa]

After two dreadful seasons, we come really good at this preseason testing and really strong in FP1 and FP2. Even if today Ferrari is not on pole, but with good time and strong 2nd and 3rd starting position I'll be satisfied! It is a long season, WDC and CWC is not won in the first race. Every point counts!
:ferrarifl

[Gilles]

After two dreadful seasons, we come really good at this preseason testing and really strong in FP1 and FP2. Even if today Ferrari is not on pole, but with good time and strong 2nd and 3rd starting position I'll be satisfied! It is a long season, WDC and CWC is not won in the first race. Every point counts!
:ferrarifl

Glad to see you've found hope:thumb

[stefa]

Glad to see you've found hope:thumb

:-D
Yes. I am cautious.
Expect the worst, hope for the best!

[Gilles]

To continue on the engine side, remember last year Ferrari used to heavily detune its engine on Fridays. With only 3 units for 23 races, why do you think they would have changed their minds? I disagree when I read that Honda would have more horsepower. I hope the opposite but in all case we can't know until Q3

[gump1480]

Experts: the pace of the top teams should be closer, because Verstappen did his race sim with less fuel load.

Any reference for these "expert" comments ??

[Gilles]

:-D
Yes. I am cautious.
Expect the worst, hope for the best!

For being careful, you have been very careful. I understand that, it's so hard to change our mind after such a long period of disappointment. But finally, the time has come to reward the fans. Back in the game like I've been saying for months!

[Gilles]

Any reference for these "expert" comments ??

Amus i think, but some others were saying inverse, so we don't know, as always

[Brembo]

F-1 2023 race attendance being sold out all over!! Sponsors fighting to get a place on a car! Lewis not getting that 8th worked miracles ! Ferrari back in the mix up front is a big deal.

[Gilles]

Best corner-by-corner section times recorded for each team in FP2 | 2022 Bahrain GP
https://scuderiafans.com/best-corner-by-corner-section-times-recorded-for-each-team-in-fp2-2022-bahrain-gp/

[ferras]

Amus i think, but some others were saying inverse, so we don't know, as always

Yes, we don't know, but 1-2s between Verstapen and the others is not what you often see in F1. I think the pace of Perez, Russell, Sainz and Ocon is more representative when we compare teams.

[Galvonero]

Can anyone share a link for online streaming of qualifying and race?